< 1469232127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a notion the "registering my straight throws as curve balls from time to time" issue is some sort of a bug with the touchy input stuff having some touches get stuck, or some-such. < 1469232148 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469232180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1469232263 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes oerjan to check for immortality
< 1469232284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in the mood to look at some kittens < 1469232301 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kittens are always nice. < 1469232315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORAILYNS < 1469232332 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :borailyns???????? < 1469232397 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shambles in boily's general direction
< 1469232412 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. _that_ kind of immortality. < 1469232421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other is there, duh < 1469232489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm spammers trying again? < 1469232503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly testing posting as well as captcha < 1469232994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is that one also named after Lem? <-- no hth < 1469233008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then what twh < 1469233010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't read _that_ much Lem, anyway.
< 1469233018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmph, can't you guess. < 1469233029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice_(novel) ? < 1469233043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1469233082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipper < 1469233099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice < 1469233112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the "His Master's Voice" part would be after the famous pooch picture (which is also a record label?) < 1469233129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1469233132 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of it before. < 1469233157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you're too young to know about vinyl records hth < 1469233159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I looked it up I thought the Lem book was first. < 1469233165 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf proposing kittens, oerjan talking of pooches, and there is a plastic guide for throwing pokeballs. there's something wrong going on... < 1469233179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wouldn't know. < 1469233197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm just so impressible hth < 1469233243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a scow character trait, i know. < 1469233333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Nipper was his name < 1469233381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is there a guide for whether pokeballs should be disposed as plastic twh < 1469233421 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Nippooch. < 1469233437 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are pokemons edible? < 1469233447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: here are some nippooches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUB1uYLv3M < 1469233492 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluff! <3 < 1469233831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469234639 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1469234814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want to plug Trump into https://www.politicalcompass.org/test < 1469234834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But his opinions are so inconsistent that it just isn't feasible < 1469235028 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1469235089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469235384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-6.25 / -8.62. < 1469235623 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1469235632 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1469235632 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate? < 1469235632 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 222350Z AUTO 06003KT 330V110 9999 FEW016 SCT017 BKN110 18/16 Q1018 < 1469235636 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1469235651 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpoily < 1469235669 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the test, and I scored -6.25/10 on the left right axis, and -8.62/10 on the authoritarian libertarian axis. < 1469235684 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 18/16? bletch! < 1469235713 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1469235713 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 222350Z AUTO 22004KT 9999 NCD 19/15 Q1020 NOSIG < 1469235725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 26.2 inside. < 1469235734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungone for a while < 1469235738 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1469235744 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the Pokemon TCG software emulate a physical table? A flat surface would be much more readable < 1469235753 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i take it that makes you liberauthoritarian? < 1469235768 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1469235771 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fungotted. < 1469235772 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: using some implied fnord for now :d or for anything < 1469235774 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I have a pokemon.com account. I'm guessing I tried the Pokemon TCG online briefly befoe < 1469235810 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: who gets paged when fungot dies < 1469235810 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about 0 0(1) gives output and results 0 0 x x x x x < 1469235818 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no u < 1469235818 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm hatching norns to be slaughtered by an fnord to it, and i have a phrase with 2 quasiquotes in it, so < 1469235822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1469235822 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1469235844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The job doesn't even die, it just gets stuck forever somehow. < 1469235861 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: more libertocialist hth. < 1469235867 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was that thing sres said < 1469235877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: monitor symptoms or something like that < 1469235891 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: o hai? < 1469235892 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oops didn't mean to say is that it's " finished and working" ( in some unspecified order), each variable is assigned, so it's totally useless < 1469235896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need fungmon < 1469235902 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: isn't socialism basically the definition of liberal authoritarianism? < 1469235937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. I didn't parse the portmanteau correctly. < 1469235938 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I need /healthz on it. < 1469235957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1469235960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything needs that < 1469235967 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/healthz? < 1469235978 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Googlestuff. < 1469235983 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you believe that there are programs in the world that don't always run an http and/or rpc server < 1469236003 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Somehow I can. < 1469236011 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think a number of Android client apps don't. < 1469236044 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : FireFly said 11h 13m 29s ago: FireFly, is the number of cards limitation based on name or card itself? ← oh, good point. it's based on the name, so that is another case where it matters < 1469236051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, server programs. < 1469236057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or command-line programs. < 1469236059 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1469236175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be running fungot with Kubernetes. < 1469236176 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a compsci grad student by chance? would make it fail in a spectacular way, but mycology specifies it well enough. the information is ambient and always there ( just seeing it reminds me of a line ( to include in order to < 1469236184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1469236189 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you like kubernetes? < 1469236189 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: apart from gaining some efficiency, as opposed to fnord < 1469236514 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "is there any good option in this election" gives Wikipedia/None of the Above < 1469236538 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot 2016 < 1469236538 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: emacs lisp, or smalltalk, or ruby before c any day. < 1469236654 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I totally misunderstood prize cards I think < 1469236664 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I knock out enemy pokemon, I take my own I think < 1469236690 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1469237123 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing the tutorial, was told to evolve a Pokemon. Despite the basic having an energy 2 attack and the new one only having a 1 and 3, I think the new one is monotonically better, because the new one's one energy attack is the same as the old one's two energy attack. Are evolutions always better or are there tradeoffs? < 1469237146 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes whether or not it is better depend on the situation. < 1469237227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you prefer Pokemon cards or Magic: The Gathering cards? < 1469237238 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play both games < 1469237260 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which one is better? < 1469237282 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are better. Although, I play the old Pokemon card game and not the new one anyways < 1469237316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are situation in Pokemon card where you might play an evolution card solely to increase its retreat cost, in order that a recycle energy attached to it can be retrieved in order to power an attack of another card that does not do any damage. (I have done this.) < 1469237458 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked a quora question which gives a trivially easy math problem as a "very challenging problem that takes a long time". i'm worried that the "tutor" who posted it doesn't deserve the job... < 1469237720 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the only good vote for 2016 < 1469237724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No Confidence" < 1469237851 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to injure the candidates badly enough that they will not recover in time for the election. < 1469238667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We need to go back in time and stop Hitl- Hillary < 1469238788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah just missed seeing a cut again < 1469238947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most one more cut on the rightmost branch before the dire subbranch gets pruned more < 1469238971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(152k cuts so far) < 1469239449 0 :Zekka!~zekka@167.220.100.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469239552 0 :Zekka!~zekka@167.220.59.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469239575 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...wat? < 1469239745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you not been following the hydra news < 1469239918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm trying to let http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml follow its cause with the automatic play setting. < 1469239927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its course < 1469240012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have got a better setup than int-e did (he gave up at ~ 1.5M cuts despite having increased the speed), but worse than quintopia. < 1469240069 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, after ~150k cuts i've still not reached the state quintopia said he was at last we discussed that < 1469240081 0 :Zekka!~zekka@167.220.59.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1469240207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my estimate that i'd get to that point in less than 100k cuts seems to be overoptimistic, but hopefully not wildly so. < 1469240231 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(100k + the ~ 70k i had when making it.) < 1469240321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, is it possible that the difficulty depends on something that differs between browsers / window size? < 1469240324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1469240410 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...is this one of those unwinnable games? < 1469240454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's actually guaranteed win, it just takes a long time when using the extremely naive automatic algorithm < 1469240489 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BALLERINA CHICKEN < 1469240492 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a theorem saying the hydra will die no matter how you chop < 1469240556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do much faster with a manual strategy. i read ybden had managed in < 200 cuts earlier. < 1469240599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our theory is that the automatic strategy (always take leftmost head) is close to the worst possible. < 1469240884 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469240946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you've been pretty hanabi lately < 1469241663 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469241858 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! I defeated the Hydra by hand! < 1469241882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1745 heads < 1469241909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like a Lowdra. < 1469241940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's ok for a first attempt ;) < 1469241986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I gave it Molly, so it's definitely a Hydra < 1469242001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it depends a lot on luck especially in the beginning, i think. < 1469242004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a pooch named Molly. < 1469242079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Molly has to do with Hydras
< 1469242114 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469242183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first hit seems aquarium-related, although you'd give hydra to molly, not the other way around. < 1469242233 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just noticed it's on madore.org < 1469242265 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1469242282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you're genuinely confused, Molly is the street name for MDMA < 1469242288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1469242303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hydra with a digraph...) < 1469242318 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469242319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OK, but where's the joke? < 1469242332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Molly gets you high < 1469242341 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was just countering your joke < 1469242364 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it, though. < 1469242381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats both hppavilion[1] and shachaf, just in case -----###
< 1469242426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, hyperbolic maze < 1469242531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan -#
< 1469242562 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most fantastic maze in the universe. no, _all_ the universes! < 1469242603 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1469242634 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom hyperbol < 1469242648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his hand
< 1469242719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we put +n on the channel again, so that weirdness with HackEgo should not be happening. < 1469242727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic group//Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they're totally awesome and cure cancer. < 1469242727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallucination//You are just imagining this wisdom entry. < 1469242748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like someone had that idea before. < 1469242762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg hyperbolic group < 1469242763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits hyperbolic group < 1469242778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ le/rn hyperbolic group/Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they\'re totally awesome and cure cancer. \ le/rn hyperbolic group/Hyperbolic groups are the best group there are, they\'re totally awesome and cure cancer. < 1469242783 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan < 1469242792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1469242928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ellipsis < 1469242930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipsis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1469242932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? parabola < 1469242935 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parabola? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1469242948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom parab < 1469242949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ // < 1469242956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom ellip < 1469242957 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ // < 1469244281 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469244695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1469246602 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469247248 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatiflist < 1469247278 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whatiflist: not found < 1469247294 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*whatif* < 1469247308 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/*whatif*: No such file or directory < 1469248038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see a 13-episode scripted series in which everybody on earth is teleported to the same place on earth- an area the size of Rhode Island (and, coincidentally, also actually Rhode Island), all jump at noon, and then the world grinds to a halt because everyone's in Rhode Island and the rest of the world has nobody operating things < 1469248242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the righmost dire branch is now siblingless < 1469248256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 162k < 1469248272 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's got to be some progress now < 1469248283 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think there would be more pressing problems before much technology fails. < 1469248295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, a lack of potable drinking water. < 1469248314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that really the time to think about drugs hth < 1469248314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that would be part of it < 1469248351 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469248366 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there would inevitably be multiple massive stampedes. < 1469248367 0 :bennyZ!~ben@p2003007A0A30DA945DC07C11726D3AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469248378 0 :bennyZ!~ben@p2003007A0A30DA945DC07C11726D3AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric : < 1469248388 0 :bennyZ!~ben@p2003007A0A30DA945DC07C11726D3AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469248413 0 :bennyZ!~ben@p2003007A0A30DA945DC07C11726D3AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric : < 1469248415 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a good time to be a vulture in Rhode Island though. < 1469248613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The show would be mostly about a small band of people who escape The Grand Shitstorm < 1469248659 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469248714 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw something claiming PTCGO can't be made fullscreen. They're wrong < 1469248911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clooog! < 1469249035 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes is down? scow < 1469249057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has been stripped of his powers < 1469249063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like the rest of us mortals now < 1469249111 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait. That much people together is probably bad purely from a thermal point of view. < 1469250221 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469250234 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1469250317 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY is the AI sparing me? < 1469250325 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost a long time ago but it won't finish me off < 1469250628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48978&oldid=48977 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+1337) 10 < 1469251319 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469251350 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took 30 minutes and I eventually just gave up < 1469251357 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Pokemon matches supposed to last that long? < 1469251523 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1469251545 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469251547 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. TCG. I dunno. < 1469253160 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469253421 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469254161 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the US law distinguishing prostitution from porn production? Because I really don't see a clear distinction, and they're already similar enough that I don't see how they justify classifying prostitution as a crime < 1469254334 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess it varies by state < 1469254392 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google suggests I'm right, but take that with a grain of salt (I'm not a lawyer) < 1469254428 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the standard for "is this porn?" is federal, but I don't know if there are standards for particular kinds of porn on the state level < 1469255126 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469255501 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also no federal law on prostitution, at all. < 1469255531 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is in fact one state where prostitution is legal. < 1469255545 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, google turned it up, but I forgot which < 1469255554 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevada. < 1469255602 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic nevada < 1469255613 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it's illegal in Las Vegas. < 1469255643 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer < 1469255703 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, The Strip is not in Las Vegas. < 1469255768 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- located immediately south of the Las Vegas city limits in the unincorporated towns of Paradise and Winchester." Well, that's a name. < 1469255828 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, like Newcastle upon Tyne? < 1469255858 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469255943 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Paradise and Winchester are two different unincorporated towns. < 1469256035 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankfurt an der Oder, the cheap knock-off of Frankfurt am Main. < 1469256375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1469256375 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 230453Z 29007KT 10SM CLR 19/12 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP170 T01940117 < 1469256379 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1469256379 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 230453Z 28006KT 10SM CLR 17/13 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP173 T01720128 < 1469256400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this channel has some convolution experts. < 1469256406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:43 Is there a sort of convolution which is something like (f*g)(a) = \Sum_{x,y | x+y <= a} {f(x)g(y)} ? < 1469256409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:43 (Where normal convolution would use = instead of <=.) < 1469256411 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:44 (To match Day convolution.) < 1469257495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1469257665 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1469257681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have found a single scenario in which patent law can be a good thing < 1469257688 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's really obscure and unlikely < 1469257832 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Magikarp always supposed to be bad? < 1469257861 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magikarp_(Ancient_Origins_19) a 1/4 chance of landing a 30 attack? < 1469257869 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's bad, I'm not certain < 1469258076 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What kind of scenario is that? < 1469258127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You invent something genuinely novel and useful that people want, and you manufacture it somewhere that isn't horrifying (that is: in a factory that /doesn't/ need suicide nets) < 1469258137 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You patent it, and people buy it < 1469258175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't patented, Apple would likely start making them too, and it would be cheaper (so people buy it) because it's manufactured by technically-not-slaves < 1469258189 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think still it would be no good though < 1469258414 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469258633 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xclfqfifpaknwree QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469258756 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, Magikarp is supposed to be bad. < 1469258802 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magikarp in the JRPG learns 3 moves (2 in the first one!): Splash, Tackle, and Flail. < 1469258811 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splash does nothing. < 1469258827 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tackle has 50 power (i.e. it's a fairly weak move) < 1469258861 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flail, the only move that makes Magikarp have any use itself, gets stronger the less HP it has. < 1469258870 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtyZMDQCA_Y < 1469258908 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't remember offhand if this is NSFW) < 1469258914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes? < 1469258967 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irdmegfrkepagfrx JOIN :#esoteric < 1469259021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why don't they tackle? Ever? < 1469259044 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is tackle not available in this particular iteration?) < 1469259114 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh I forgot Ditto existed, I wonder wha it's like in TCG < 1469259134 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of the duplicatey pokemon, and kept thinking of Jiggypuff for some reason < 1469259140 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because of some brawl game? < 1469259177 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were thinking of Kirby, apparently. < 1469259241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It appears it IS NSFW < 1469259243 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Jiggypuff is at least in that same brawl game, right? < 1469259245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on your definition < 1469259275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite pokemon is Kirby < 1469259282 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Jigglypuff is in Smash Bros as well. < 1469259284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, pikhq already mentioned Kirby, so my joke doesn't work < 1469259317 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jigglypuff, IIRC, is in *all* of the Smash games too. < 1469259367 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly wants Missingno. in the TCG
< 1469259377 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. I love Missingno < 1469259385 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Foundno < 1469259411 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There existed a TCG called MissingNO < 1469259449 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what's TCG again? < 1469259488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foundno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1469259500 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trading card game < 1469259689 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe pokemon are actually interesting to read about < 1469259694 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them < 1469259696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hilarious when Christians talk about Jews negatively < 1469259708 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the movies are any good
< 1469259715 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read a pokemon book once as a kid < 1469259744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When- going solely by the holy book- Jews are just Christians Lite (alt: Christians who haven't yet purchased the DLCquel) < 1469259845 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No < 1469259857 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :They reject Jesus < 1469259868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: ...? < 1469259868 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, seeing as that's basically the foundation of Christianity < 1469259874 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :is why they don't like them < 1469260635 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1469260770 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION might look for a "rational" pokemon story
< 1469260782 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using "rational" as the genre here) < 1469260819 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First need to read chapter of Mother of Learning < 1469260874 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump SAYS he wants to make America great again < 1469260882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he doesn't put his money where his mouth is < 1469260893 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 million Americans are below the poverty line < 1469260904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=48979 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+1763) 10Created page with "== Description == Gaot++ is a stack-based programming language with 2 types of commands: baas and bleets. Gaot++ have a instruction pointer going t..." < 1469260944 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If trump donated all of his money (measured by net worth, which is probably about how much he has on hand because that's obviously how economics works) to Americans to help them with life, that would be enough... < 1469260962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give every povertous American... < 1469260963 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100 < 1469260966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1469260974 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actually very significant < 1469260993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, better than nothing, and good for the REALLY poverty-y people < 1469260998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really as great as we thought < 1469261017 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: https://xkcd.com/947/) < 1469261459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compound interest is one thing, but I'm more a fan of complex interest < 1469261486 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For explanation of complex interest, talk to \oren\ < 1469261584 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comic doesn't seem very related. < 1469262712 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48980&oldid=48979 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+201) 10 < 1469262996 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48981&oldid=48980 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+64) 10 < 1469263145 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469263449 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469264328 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is in that it shows another instance of money being less powerful than we thought < 1469264340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for there to be a complete, consistent system of morality? < 1469264703 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes seems to interpret "Idiot Programming" and "Genius Programming" as inefficiency vs efficiency < 1469264923 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, from a non-programmer perspective, that's the most obvious interpretetion, I believe < 1469265123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that question reduces to "can a proper moral system exist in which 'a certain amount of elementary arithmetic' cannot be carried out" < 1469265175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, at least, that's a prerequisite; The inverse of Godel I isn't necessarily true AFAIK) < 1469267039 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can encode arithmetic in trolley problems < 1469267492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that a funny bizarre statement or a completely serious bizarre statement? < 1469268880 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US that would be spelled "trolly problems". < 1469269465 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yes < 1469269481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ...no really < 1469269489 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes < 1469269520 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "do nothing, ever" could be argued to be a complete, consistent system of morality < 1469270058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a tanebvention? < 1469270185 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1469270420 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469270682 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1469272404 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:295a:c4ac:b891:39e1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469272576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469272669 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1469273471 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469274180 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:79ed:5b5a:615b:ba9b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469274187 0 :Cale!~Cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469277725 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469279247 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irdmegfrkepagfrx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1469280180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469281310 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469281385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469281587 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469281925 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469282235 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3831:4f97:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1469283286 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1469283286 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's interesting, yes. fame. mm. diet food. < 1469283444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1469284033 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3831:4f97:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469284402 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ewww! < 1469284402 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( i killed it? :) where would you simplify it? < 1469284948 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot looks perfectly healthy to me. maybe the secret to his health comes from nasal food? < 1469284949 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fortunatelly he's not communist :) it helped me concentrate on getting your code working on all the esolang interps it uses < 1469284995 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469285253 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469285651 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please tell us more about your fascinating political agenda < 1469285651 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: about half-way through < 1469285660 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: come on! < 1469285660 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a completely non-standard extension that a few days, i'm completely useless. < 1469286080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48982&oldid=44373 5* 03Orlando 5* (+111) 10 < 1469286097 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469286126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48983&oldid=48982 5* 03Orlando 5* (+39) 10 < 1469286136 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48984&oldid=48983 5* 03Orlando 5* (+1) 10 < 1469286147 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48985&oldid=48984 5* 03Orlando 5* (+1) 10 < 1469286158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48986&oldid=48985 5* 03Orlando 5* (+0) 10 < 1469286270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469286854 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469287007 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469288594 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1469289092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1469289104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considered idling, but eventually didn't.
< 1469289214 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zellørjambie! < 1469289362 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers idling, but ironically ruins it by stating this.
< 1469289373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEREBROILY < 1469289387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: i mean because clog was gone. < 1469289453 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1469289454 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 231450Z 28007KT 210V350 9999 FEW040 SCT080 BKN120 24/16 Q1017 NOSIG < 1469289464 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1469289465 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 231450Z 27011KT 9999 SCT020 BKN030 18/15 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 27010KT < 1469290469 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL < 1469290469 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 231452Z 21005KT 10SM FEW030 BKN200 BKN250 30/23 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP169 T03000233 51006 < 1469290532 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that hot then < 1469290536 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll go outside < 1469290659 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I think idling is a myth. < 1469290713 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one would have believed, in the first months of 2016, that human affairs were being watched, from the timeless voids of IRC idlers... < 1469290746 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you believe, right? < 1469290746 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so there will be stuff i don't grok < 1469290755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well, possibly. < 1469290755 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and true brilliance. eta reduction is ( lambda ( x) ( x < 1469290769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's a given. < 1469290770 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my dairy heater broke. i had another method when doing it from scratch, but not kilimanjaro's reason, or the universe implodes" < 1469290802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hydra is approaching a major cut, i can feel it... < 1469290836 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: what about here in the last months of 2016 < 1469290845 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is worse than watching a heated kettle of milk... < 1469290846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has to blow up a little more first. < 1469290850 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the milk *will* boil! < 1469290852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: :P < 1469290866 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, the idler invasion already happened, didn't it < 1469290880 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: THEN WHAT HAPPENED < 1469290899 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all died because of bacteria on their keyboards < 1469290906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish madore hadn't placed the stop/start buttons so far from the canvas. < 1469290906 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Please don't make me implement the hydra in Haskell or C++ just to prove that it can go into billions. < 1469290919 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :('merican billions) < 1469290922 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you still watching the same dang auto-run of hydra from days ago? < 1469290928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh i'm sure it can. but mine won't. < 1469290932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. < 1469290958 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm surprised you didn't remember it < 1469290964 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how close is it? < 1469290964 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sure it won't... there's only so many three quarter seconds in a year. < 1469290989 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is there no way we can hack that script to speed it up? < 1469291040 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there is, but I'm not sure how to do it on a loaded web page. < 1469291041 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469291052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e already did that. just because i'm insane enough to run it at normal speed... < 1469291067 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469291076 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I mean, I did hack it. I made a better strategy too but oerjan doesn't want to hear about it. < 1469291182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the second last branch blew up a bit too < 1469291204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i'll test out strategies... later. < 1469291262 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm downloading it and editing the 750 on the callback to...say...50 < 1469291373 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH ITS SO MUCH FASTER < 1469291421 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hit 1000 < 1469291462 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469291467 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hit 2000 < 1469291470 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what int-e did when running that one he still gave up after 1.5 million cuts. < 1469291475 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum hydrae theory: for any situation involving a hydrae following sensible rules, there is a solution to be found through the correct set of branches. < 1469291476 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469291484 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* may not actually be quantum.) < 1469291510 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469291515 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :3000 < 1469291521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so close now that i have to keep an eye on it. < 1469291553 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: didn't you already run one that was pretty fast? < 1469291570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still trying to get to those 3 normals you said you had. < 1469291600 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh my computer crashed before it finished ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1469291606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1469291625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm explicitly avoiding visiting reddit to try and decrease the chance my browser does that < 1469291730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I used 5 instead of 750 for http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/hydra.png (hmm, I didn't save a screenshot 1 million steps later) < 1469291741 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it needs a "save" button < 1469291746 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that oerjan's hydra looks less healthy than that. < 1469291780 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the operative word was "on a loaded web page" though < 1469291782 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how many heads are you at < 1469291795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :178k < 1469291808 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469291824 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps one could use the javascript console to manually start the periodic timer < 1469291826 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469291862 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan is using IE which I'm totally clueless about < 1469291885 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: inspect element etc. lets you edit pages right in the browser. it's just easier to download. (what's the difference between a web loaded from a local file and a web page loaded from a remote server, when there are no remote embeds in the page?) < 1469291910 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ROOT CHICKEN < 1469291994 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspect element is neat for those annoying web pages with huge bars < 1469292241 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay i'm doing it again: http://imgur.com/q763tic < 1469292257 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not visiting any other web pages right now, thanks :P < 1469292274 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469292288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course "might happen any moment" and "will actually happen in a moment" are not quite the same here. < 1469292328 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292382 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Client Quit < 1469292397 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292404 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm at 39718 heads and the rightmost subtree is one dire on level 2 and one normal on level 3 < 1469292414 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469292421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1469292449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to reiterate my wonder whether the size limits vary by browser/screen < 1469292480 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292490 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the initial depth probably matters a lot. < 1469292498 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469292590 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469292607 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes true. i'm now at 70189 chops and the rightmost does not extend to level 3 < 1469292654 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1469292740 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Client Quit < 1469292744 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now down to my last possible dire neck (because it connects to the rightmost head, there is no way to create new dire necks when it gets expanded) < 1469292931 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydra killed at 118091 chops < 1469292940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats! < 1469292960 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bachmann-Howard ordinal is the name of my Bachman Turner Overdrive cover band) < 1469292967 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1469293029 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for strategies? < 1469293043 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b182:2400:54a0:8a43:da5f:ac3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1469293052 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b182:2400:54a0:8a43:da5f:ac3d QUIT :Client Quit < 1469293053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48987&oldid=48981 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+2241) 10 < 1469293309 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. how does one find the topmost head in this representation? Oh, there is a countDepth function, so you can just recurse on the child with the highest depth... < 1469293593 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469293661 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469293934 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i changed the autoplay to always cut topmost head. it killed a pretty deep hydra in 493 chops. and a very very deep one in 868. this is before any optimizations like "dire necks first" < 1469293956 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically chooses the leftmost of heads on the highest level < 1469293966 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's been tried before < 1469293999 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think the other optimizations would improve it much? < 1469294006 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it helps < 1469294010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know? < 1469294016 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what have you tried < 1469294025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering what you'd achieve by using the theoretical ordinals < 1469294038 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even understand them < 1469294077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1469294083 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i imagine they won't help much, since its the fine details of the magicProb function that really determine the best strategy here i think < 1469294087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i haven't looked at the theory) < 1469294095 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have a weighted path thing implemented (dire necks have weight two), but the most important effect is to prioritize dire necks on the deepest level < 1469294121 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how does it do < 1469294129 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have not tried to improve on that further... the whole process is way too random and I lack the intuition. < 1469294143 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try it for yourself: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/hydra2.xhtml < 1469294154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: deepest means highest? < 1469294162 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1469294166 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of trees. < 1469294188 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the ordinary CS fashion. Madore got that wrong ;-) < 1469294204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it tries to blow up again < 1469294223 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: really good < 1469294248 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he didn't get it wrong. the function is called "countDepth" after all < 1469294275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the display :P < 1469294317 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh true. every one knows that all /real/ trees have their roots at the top and the leaves dangling below < 1469294382 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked for a proof of the hydra on quora and no answers < 1469294430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think hydras are renowned for hanging upside down hth < 1469294435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody linked to a writeup on Madore's website... by the title it sounded french though < 1469294452 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they could be headcrabs. < 1469294454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably b_jonas < 1469294493 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now that would make halflife a much more interesting game... (disclaimer, I've never got very far in that game. I did encounter the headcrabs though)) < 1469294571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i prepare to put my finger on the button it blows up again :P < 1469294940 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Teased by hydras | The interdisciplinary hub of Esoteric Programming Language Design and Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1469294965 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Teased by dying hydras | The interdisciplinary hub of Esoteric Programming Language Design and Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1469296023 0 :paul2520_!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1469296073 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1469296445 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469296708 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1469296791 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1469297229 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469297360 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milestone! https://imgur.com/a/hLtmM < 1469297458 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1469297649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: quintopia: ^ < 1469297718 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor thing < 1469297749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48988&oldid=48987 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+80) 10 < 1469297755 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it gets unlucky it'll die in a couple of dozen moves < 1469297800 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. the dire segment blew up to 6 linked copies. < 1469297805 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1469297808 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1469297828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rightmost path still has height 4. barely. < 1469297876 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48989&oldid=48988 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+15) 10 < 1469297925 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1469297993 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469299622 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48990&oldid=47318 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+153) 10/* Implementations */ < 1469299627 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I saw the word "interactive" used as a noun, in a museum. < 1469299630 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in: "This interactive is temporarily out of order." < 1469299642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they had labeled three different interactives that way. < 1469299720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48991&oldid=48989 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+243) 10/* Example programs */ < 1469299728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like inactive < 1469299796 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm interactive fiction < 1469299829 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-eractive. < 1469299829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( more like int-e-r-active ) < 1469299832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1469299855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat by my own thought bubble < 1469299948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one of Neal Stephensons scifi books, "ractives" (VR theatre with audience participation, basically) have mostly replaced "passives" (movies etc.) as the popular-est form of entertainment. < 1469300484 0 :int-e__!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469300539 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48992&oldid=48991 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+205) 10 < 1469300556 0 :int-e__!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1469300565 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1469300760 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I could concieve that happening in a few decades or so < 1469300795 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469300981 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469301275 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469301654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48993&oldid=48992 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+338) 10/* Example programs */ < 1469301695 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I ran autoplay on a hydra at a tiny interval, but after several hours and over 2.3 million chops, it was still going strong :/ < 1469301720 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer was in dire need of a restart, so the hydra won. < 1469301783 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you know of the smallest number of chops taken to kill a hydra? < 1469301927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've preserved the hydra across reboots. < 1469301961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's not easy with the JavaScript version. But with a formal representation using ordinals you would have more luck. < 1469301982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Formaldehydra is the best way to preserve it. < 1469302285 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1469302289 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o o ( dehydrating makes it not rot )
< 1469302329 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the highest number of chops taken to kill a hydra thus far? < 1469302346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1469302349 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Dehydration | The interdisciplinary hub of Esoteric Programming Language Design and Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1469302351 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Goodsteiny number? < 1469302370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodstein numbrs pale in comparison to TREE numbers, though. < 1469302374 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREE is TG < 1469302381 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: I have a 1.5 Million on record for not killing a hydra yet. < 1469302389 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lost the screenshot. < 1469302432 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, goodstein is irrelevant because the hydra is very tame and reluctant to grow. < 1469302454 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1469302458 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ybden.vehk.de/up/2016-07-23-191309_1920x1080_scrot.png over 2.3 million < 1469302463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hydra has randomness, though. #scow < 1469302474 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't being very tame then < 1469302524 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having to fit on the screen makes the hydra extremely tame. < 1469302529 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autoplay didn't manage to touch the rightmost three tips in several hours, rarely touching the fourth < 1469302574 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, uncompressed png... < 1469302587 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, does scrot not compress them? Apologies < 1469302638 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no option to compress it even; I'll have to make it invoke some other program < 1469302638 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought I was the only person to have intentionally made an uncompressed PNG writer. < 1469302775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it easier than uncompressed GIF writers? < 1469302788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOSCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48994&oldid=48951 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+406) 10Added info on compilation < 1469302819 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for gif you have to convert to 256 colors, so yes, much easier. < 1469302839 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People wrote uncompressed GIF writers to get around patent issues, in theory. < 1469302853 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a bit more annoying just because it's got multiple endiannesses. < 1469302855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: GIF can handle more than 256 colors. < 1469302912 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: citation needed < 1469303000 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :people put up with the lack of colors because they want animations < 1469303025 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIF nowadays is only good because animations everywhere < 1469303035 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG supports animation too (although I think Microsoft program doesn't implement PNG animations maybe?) < 1469303053 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://www.w3.org/Graphics/GIF/spec-gif89a.txt < 1469303060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Each Image Data Block has its own Local Color Table. < 1469303078 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Animated Portable Network Graphics (APNG) file format is an *extension* to the Portable Network Graphics (PNG) specification. < 1469303097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: And can be a rectangle of arbitrary size and shape within the image frame. < 1469303114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is all one frame of an animated GIF, though some implementations treat each rectangle as a separate frame.) < 1469303119 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Buggy ones, of course.) < 1469303144 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And popular implementations, as well. < 1469303182 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469303200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/SmallFullColourGIF.gif < 1469303268 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers insert 1 frame between each image data block. :( < 1469303322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only supposed to do it at GCE blocks, though. < 1469303331 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a fairly clever workaround for that, at least. Make frame 1 a complete 256-color image, and then use the extra data blocks to add more color. < 1469303366 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thinkn sometimes you can work around it with clever disposal methods. < 1469303371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I bet those are buggy too. < 1469303403 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tweakers.net/ext/f/L9kEhvvZMizHQ5SE4rDoyh9P/full.gif An example of working around it. < 1469303408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one implements the flag that says to ait for user input before advancing to the next frame. < 1469303439 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"user input"? < 1469303461 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks. that's an awful hack. < 1469303464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example mouse click or carriage return. < 1469303479 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably not intended by the original designers < 1469303481 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is that without proper backup? < 1469303492 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a disambiguator < 1469303500 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it into a script kind of thing < 1469303585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIF also has a standard extension for an ASCII art version of the picture. < 1469303590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case your terminal doesn't support graphics. < 1469303616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether you can make ASCII art basilisks. < 1469303621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google basilisk faq < 1469303622 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansible.uk/writing/c-b-faq.html < 1469303622 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: comp.basilisk FAQ < 1469303636 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvgultcydmxhzfkh JOIN :#esoteric < 1469303788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48995&oldid=48978 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+630) 10Added compilation info and 26 character truth-machine implementation < 1469303862 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48996&oldid=48995 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+26) 10/* Compiling */ < 1469303998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a no. < 1469304526 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you prefer your keyboards with or without friction? < 1469304596 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I thought up a good use for the animated GIF "wait for input"... < 1469304613 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. But all the answers are wrong. < 1469304629 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just keep on failing as that's the only outcome you can reach... < 1469304656 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, would it have killed them to have a "skip if char != " flag...? < 1469304678 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it makes the user input kind of useless, and I see why browsers would ignore it < 1469304742 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1469304847 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469304909 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469305179 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1469305326 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1469305513 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469306902 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1469307363 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469307434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469307603 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469307627 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1469307699 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469307709 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469308377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469308598 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469308828 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469308851 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469309002 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1469309025 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469309047 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1469309139 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469309157 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469309274 0 :ambrus!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469309529 0 :ambrus!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, everyone < 1469309657 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ambrus < 1469309671 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been properly relcomed? i don't remember seeing you here before < 1469309678 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, better too often than never < 1469309682 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ambrus < 1469309684 0 :ambrus!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm just using the wrong nick < 1469309687 0 :ambrus!?@? NICK :wob_jonas < 1469309688 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1469309691 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better now < 1469309697 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1469309702 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is hackego so slow today < 1469309741 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about eating at moes is the music < 1469309747 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much good classic rock < 1469309755 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juding from the file sizes of my scrot .png's, I'm pretty sure they're at least somewhat compressed. < 1469309766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzello < 1469309774 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at specs and manuals and reviews of compact digital cameras do decide what I want to buy < 1469309776 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny < 1469309778 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1469309787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1469309792 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some important things are hard to find out from them, so there's some luck-based elements < 1469309792 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthiyasiir < 1469309800 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the reviews are sometimes contradictory < 1469309825 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying camera shopping is the latest craze in RPGs < 1469309905 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1469310645 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (6232011, 1920*1080*3) -- png size vs. raw pixel data size of ybden's screenshot < 1469310646 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (6232011,6220800) < 1469310710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469310754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i believe your formaldehydra joke, with all its careful and laborious set-up, went way too underappreciated. Have a kudo. < 1469310777 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed png size using imagemagick's convert: 154575 < 1469310780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was counting on oerjan to logread and swat me later or something. < 1469310805 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now you have guaranteed it < 1469310823 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, asking to be swatted is just *asking* not to be swatted. < 1469310941 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oerjan would be well aware of the strategy of avoiding a swatting by asking for it, and subvert it by swatting anyway! < 1469310992 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He would have, until you mentioned it. < 1469311028 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only mentioned it to protect you from the swatting you would otherwise have received < 1469311037 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to read the manual for how good the controls are, especially for quick adjustments on the field; plus for cameras with a touchscreen, I'm checking the manual to make sure the touchscreen focus feature can be disabled. < 1469311051 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touchscreens are annoying, but they put them in many cameras. < 1469311082 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how about an old-school 3.5mm film camera? ;) < 1469311085 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that's hard to find out is how quickly the camera reacts to actually make photos, both when turning off and when it's already running. < 1469311111 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wait what? 3.5 mm? anyway, I'm too young for film cameras < 1469311128 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 3.5 mm film seriously a thing? < 1469311193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just trusted dpreview when buying cameras. < 1469311238 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's where I'm looking at, but even then, I can't tell reaction speed from that, some cameras don't have reviews by dpreview, and other reviews are sometimes contradictory < 1469311249 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The normal film size was *35* mm. < 1469311278 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any 3.5mm standards. < 1469311279 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one review says the battery time is short, the other says it's long. about the same camera. < 1469311303 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: analog compression! < 1469311330 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand when one review says the controls are hard to use, and another says they're easy to use, because that depends on what you want to do with the camera. < 1469311508 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a 16mm format, so that's something. < 1469311547 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there were lots of film standards < 1469311556 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3.5 mm would seem smal < 1469311601 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 mm, if used at all, would have to be in a microfilm system. < 1469311623 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 mm is certainly a thing, though I would expect not for stills. < 1469311668 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Super-8 and all that.) < 1469311718 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't microfilm when you take a normal size photographic film but compress a lot of text on it to store books in compact format, since text can be read even in small resolution? < 1469311737 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for archiving documents in small spacr < 1469311738 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically. < 1469311742 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also before my time < 1469311751 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had to use one < 1469311781 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gnu tar work with lzmicrofiche? < 1469311818 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Turns out the standard 8mm film frame size is actually exactly 3.5 mm tall (and 4.8 mm wide). < 1469311848 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still not called "3.5 mm" though. But at least the number is there.) < 1469311856 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still watching SGDQ videos < 1469311880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched the Super Mario Land 1 one just now. < 1469311883 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, I have had to use microfilm! < 1469311887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had the list open in a tab. < 1469311894 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much appreciate the first person 3d story games, but there are a lot of arcade games shown that were great < 1469311935 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparkster seemed interesting (it's a Sonic/Jazz style 2d platformer) < 1469311946 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Dustforce was amazing < 1469311956 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Super Mario Land 1 was HORRIBLE < 1469311961 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the worst speedrun I've ever seen < 1469311973 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to look speedruns for that game, look at older ones < 1469311983 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ran much better in some older gd < 1469311985 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdq < 1469312034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be one from SGDQ 2012. < 1469312039 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i also have been catching up on all the ones i wasn't able to catch live < 1469312090 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there was this puzzle platformer Escape Goat, which seemed interesting, although it's hard to understand the puzzles from a speedrun < 1469312114 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the gimmick run was pretty good. the sm sunshine run was actually incredibly good. bouncey is actually the record holder and he pulled off some incredible tricks first try < 1469312115 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the Super Metroid Any% race was worth to watch < 1469312140 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469312159 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite a major controller snafu, the blind SotN run was worth seeing < 1469312159 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Tetris GM block was amazing as always < 1469312173 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, I've seen that! the blindfolded one < 1469312178 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i quit watching the tetris one after TGM1. kind of boring to watch < 1469312187 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TAS block was underwhelming compared to earlier TAS blocks < 1469312191 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1469312196 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris wasn't boring to watch < 1469312206 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not if you skip the setup times and watch only the game getting played < 1469312210 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not boring to me < 1469312219 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's boring to me < 1469312226 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Escape Goat... it's very well made, but also quite difficult. < 1469312237 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was in some humble bundle) < 1469312238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris was fun skipping setup times < 1469312244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469312249 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3d fsp adventures where you don't see anything of the story the game has, those are often boring to watch. < 1469312251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably needs a break, it's hard to add new content that hasn't already been seen < 1469312254 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye fungot < 1469312257 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beause there are four tetris games on screen and you can only watch one, and it's just--too fast to understand. < 1469312257 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ais523 < 1469312261 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like watching soccer < 1469312268 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that doesn't make it boring < 1469312277 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the slow-paced games that are boring < 1469312288 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you watch shatterhand < 1469312289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can only watch one and it's still fast-paced, you can always rewatch < 1469312300 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tgm isn't fast-paced < 1469312307 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and an interesting fact is, < 1469312311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In case you didn't notice, your new filter caught two attempted esolangs.org spammers. One of them then made a "Dfdhgfhj" page, presumably probing what does and doesn't get filtered. (I banned the two involved users manually after that.) < 1469312313 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monotonous. it's the same thing for minutes on minutes < 1469312314 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually find megaman games boring, < 1469312319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this year had one that wasn't < 1469312323 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen fills up with blocks. lights dance around. < 1469312337 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469312346 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the new filter < 1469312377 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the Braid run was interesting too. And played quite well, with very few mistakes. < 1469312378 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if you like fast-paced runs, you surely enjoyed the defunct run < 1469312394 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shatterhand" -- hmm, what's that < 1469312402 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it may not be smart to discuss this on a publicly logged channel? < 1469312407 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvgultcydmxhzfkh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1469312409 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1469312415 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's OK, the filter details are public anyway < 1469312419 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could hide them but so far haven't seen a need to < 1469312439 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'd like to mention Super Amazing Wagon Adventure. the game isn't very good, but together with the commentary it was hilarious < 1469312448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the "action disallowed" message outright tells you how to get around the filter < 1469312460 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter? what filter? < 1469312467 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the ban is on creating a page with a long name with your first edit, unless you also include a paragraph break in the page somewhere < 1469312470 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: esolangs.org spam filter < 1469312483 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Gimmick wasn't bad < 1469312500 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i enjoyed the SAWA commentary quite a bit < 1469312513 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see. so no more Real Fast Nora's Hair Saloon 2: Shear Disaster Download? < 1469312527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: depends on the spambot framework < 1469312544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a strong suspicion that the spambot framework people are using at esolang has no method of specifying "write a newline in the page text" < 1469312551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spammers come up with a bunch of workarounds but can't do that < 1469312567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, paragraph breaks are something that legitimate users very often put in their own pages < 1469312578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the ban is only on your first edit, and you can edit the sandbox in order to get around it < 1469312599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:91.200.12.0/2410]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): spam/vandalism against other people's user pages < 1469312637 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a /22 but I've only seen vandalism from the /24 range, I'll widen it if necessary < 1469312659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also it's a lot more than two spammers that have been caught by the filter now < 1469312672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1469312678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most were caught by filter 6 < 1469312692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was there to catch a different spammer but seems to have caught many pages that the latest one tried < 1469312697 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you watched Dustforce? < 1469312707 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that run looked great < 1469312713 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, only two were caught by the latest filter < 1469312745 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out what "PP SKS-LUGAN" *is*. < 1469312777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except a spammer.) < 1469312854 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes i watched it. seemed very difficult. but i did not enjoy the game itself when i tried playing it < 1469312878 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1469312927 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I started trying to geolocate the quickbooks scanners < 1469312944 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanners :) < 1469312951 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all from India, but not all from the same ISP, and some claim to be using different operating systems than others (that's fakeable but I'm inclined to think it's real in this case) < 1469312955 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that double-jump platformer, what was its name, < 1469312977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AsuMagic 5* 10New user account < 1469312979 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumper Two, that's its name < 1469312981 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was nice too < 1469313036 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different from the other double jump games I've seen on gdq like Super Meat Boy or I'm the Boshy, because it's strictly grid-based, and the graphics is much more easy to follow < 1469313061 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you like precision platformers, I recommend it < 1469313072 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't like precision platformers, you won't enjoy it of course < 1469313085 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas which befunge interp these spammers are using? < 1469313144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:112.196.160.5510]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): very commonly used by spambots < 1469313199 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found hints for a game in UHS format, but the company that distributes the program only distributes the reader programs for DOS, Windows, Macintosh, and Amiga, and the writer program is only available for Windows; furthermore, documentation for file format is not available, and it is not free software or freeware. Therefore, I wrote my own implementation that can be used on Linux. < 1469313232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but I used first Google hit for "befunge interpreter" (http://www.bedroomlan.org/tools/befunge-playground) for testing it. Wouldn't surprise me if others followed the same logic as well. < 1469313266 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The format is not so difficult to figure out.) < 1469313278 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so people are actively attacking this wiki? < 1469313303 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some way they can just skip the whole giving the correct answer to befunge-captcha? < 1469313326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I believe it's a mass-spam framework that uses human captcha-solvers < 1469313334 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1469313356 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how they seem to be able to solve any CAPTCHA we can come up with that isn't outright impossible < 1469313359 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not as far as we know. < 1469313363 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how bad they are at varying the content of their pages < 1469313388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a quote from that Befunge playground page: "-- and as a way to practice JavaScript (not my favourite programming language [footnote: At least not back then — it's been growing in me since, though.]" < 1469313398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the choice of preposition -- in vs. on -- is accidental, or an intentional comment about JavaScript. < 1469313398 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know for sure that they're filling the captcha answer correctly, rather than using another method? < 1469313402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also something very interested I just noticed < 1469313409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*very interesting < 1469313422 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the three attempted edits made by the recent spammers < 1469313424 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not *for sure*, but if I change it to a "question with a random answer" CAPTCHA, they never manage to pass that. < 1469313435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a "submit anyway" button on the page that didn't actually do anything < 1469313439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was tried on one of the three edits, but not the other two < 1469313445 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1469313446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that didn't do anything other than letting us know that it had been pressed) < 1469313461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect there's human involvment in the edit submission part of things too < 1469313467 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to catch any on-edit CAPTCHAs < 1469313477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, though, they don't just follow the advice there ("edit the Sandbox") < 1469313495 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps the spambot script is programmed to attempt resubmitting sometimes and not other times < 1469313502 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently if you already have an account, you can create an account without filling the captcha. Do you know from the logs that that's not what they're doing? < 1469313513 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the button can also be rigged up to block anyone who clicks on it; that's been done in one filter which is very, very spambot-like, but not on most of them) < 1469313519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's visible in the logs < 1469313528 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1469313565 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&hide_tag_log=1 < 1469313577 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it says "was created" then it was created via the normal, enCAPTCHAed means < 1469313594 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1469313619 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Extended Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48997&oldid=35674 5* 03AsuMagic 5* (+927) 10/* The page should not be mentioning it helps improving speed of execution */ new section < 1469313653 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a captcha that's just "here's a link to an irc web client ask the bot for the answer to the captcha"--and then you can just passively monitor the channel to see what happens < 1469313680 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's always the fallback, < 1469313680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what we use for the "impossible" CAPTCHA. < 1469313687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: after fizzie put up the impossible captcha one of the spammers actually turned up here < 1469313690 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we monitor edits in the channel anyway < 1469313694 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what does the impossible captcha look like? < 1469313735 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it < 1469313746 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've varied it a bit every now and then, but the latest version was: "Sorry, we are having *very* persistent spammers. This question is currently impossible. In the meanwhile, try to find help on the freenode #esoteric channel." < 1469313754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Earlier it mentioned my nick.) < 1469313778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did provide one person with the actual answer too, because they asked intelligently. < 1469313795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that message < 1469313835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some sites dealing with that sort of persistent spammer that I've seen that use an essay question as their PTCHA < 1469313932 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some captcha thing that required you to fix a short program in some well-known programming language to conform to some description < 1469313957 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if they are farming captchas out to humans, that won't work either < 1469313974 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should only give away accounts to people on the BF Joust hill < 1469313987 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn
< 1469313995 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t played BF Joust < 1469314013 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that wouldn't work. I could modify an existing bf joust program slightly if you did that < 1469314024 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that if you aren't cheating by blatantly copying someone else (which would admittedly be hard to check for) < 1469314037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a lot of esolanging knowledge to do significantly well on the hill < 1469314047 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to make an esolang to get an account < 1469314050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you look for a program whose statistics are significantly different from the existing oens < 1469314052 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones < 1469314064 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: NOOO! that would just lead to more STUPID esolangs < 1469314136 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what about this: you need to submit a BF Joust program with a win/loss record better than 50%, and which doesn't have the same programs-it-wins-against and programs-it-loses-against as any existing program < 1469314203 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's put it this way... I wouldn't bother trying. < 1469314204 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would be hard. I wouldn't be able to do it < 1469314231 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I would, but I'd try by cheating, modifying an existing good program to make it a little worse against some opponents < 1469314253 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tracing what it does and breaking some branch that occurs rarely but at least once in a winning gram < 1469314255 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game < 1469314291 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I wouldn't consider that cheating < 1469314299 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just do rate limiting? One new person (determined by talking to them here) per day? < 1469314323 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people are clamoring at the bit to join < 1469314326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's something I'd consider most esolang enthusiasts to be able to do < 1469314326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most spambots not to be able to do < 1469314326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the person-of-the-day would usually be a spammer, I think? < 1469314335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's basically what the impossible captcha is, without the rate limit < 1469314356 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of fixing a bug < 1469314359 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we ask people to solve golf questions? < 1469314372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inherently rate-limited in that people here will stop answering if 50 people all come in at the same time. < 1469314390 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: possibly, although people's golfing ability varies wildly < 1469314408 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ask here for an account" thing probably works as a solution, but it's a little bit awkward. The channel's not *always* active, anyway. < 1469314425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, there are a ton of languages, like Perl and Ruby, where people have done hello worlds in anagol with not enough alphanums for them to contain the actual hello world string < 1469314427 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wiki-philosophy, "everyone can edit" and all that. < 1469314439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas what trick's being used there? < 1469314456 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, on a golf site, take a hole posed by a respected user, to which answers aren't revealed yet, but at least two respected golfer has solved it at least two days ago, in some popular language, and solve it in the same language at most 1.8 times as long as the shortest solution. < 1469314485 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in perl you can write programs without any alphanumerical character, although that's difficult < 1469314489 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell about it < 1469314498 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just few alphanumeric characters it's easier < 1469314502 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, I nkow that < 1469314509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, this is /shorter/ than using the literal string < 1469314518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, my problem isn't how to do it at all, but how it leads to a shorter program < 1469314523 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people's golfing ability varies wildly" => people's bfjousting ability also vary < 1469314546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, could it be using base64 unpack in perl? that's a common compression technique < 1469314552 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, base64 pack < 1469314596 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle there could be a list of such tasks and the person trying for an account could pick one of them to attack. < 1469314608 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how does that produce the space? also, I don't think "Hello, world!" is short enough for that to improve compression < 1469314630 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also know that the solution uses ASCII characters only < 1469314642 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(specifically, 6 alnum, 7 punctuation, and presumably 1 whitespace to make 14) < 1469314685 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the typical idiom in perl is lc pack"u", because pack"u" is uuencode, which produces characters from \x20 to \x5f, which includes space, so lc pack"u" gives you space and numbers and most punctuation and all lowercase chars < 1469314713 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result is often evalled or s///ee-ed < 1469314730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this isn't going to make "Hello, world!\n" shorter < 1469314735 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ascii? hmm, that's harder < 1469314742 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in perl? < 1469314746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, Perl < 1469314749 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1469314751 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "only ASCII" is not a restriction < 1469314753 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it exec? < 1469314758 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, the 14-char solution happens to be ASCII < 1469314769 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but pack"u" usually gives non-ascii source < 1469314769 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say exec is denied < 1469314778 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm wondering if it's calling /usr/bin/hello somehow < 1469314781 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, then maybe it execs GNU hello from path < 1469314783 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1469314803 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, hello doesn't seem to be installed on the system < 1469314835 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an hq9 interpreter? :D < 1469314844 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, maybe that < 1469314879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it doesn't have hello < 1469314882 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran $,=$/;print < 1469314883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like say`hq9+ h` < 1469314893 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wherever that interpreter is < 1469314900 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there also isn't an executable called hq9+ or any obvious variant < 1469314901 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe invokes golfscript or something like that < 1469314917 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: golfscript? or whichever language has a helloworld builtin < 1469314938 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gs2, goruby, etc. aren't in /usr/bin < 1469314940 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think goruby does? < 1469314962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gs2 and goruby both do < 1469314968 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: goruby? really? I didn't know it had a hello < 1469314969 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gs2 has a shorter name so would probably be better for the purpose < 1469314976 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: somewhere else in the path? < 1469314983 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'import __hello__' < 1469314998 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469315017 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: goruby is basically just ruby with some changed functions and a hello world builtin < 1469315030 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's too long, and prints 'Hello world...' in the but yeah, that would be the basic idea) < 1469315038 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`goruby`; print $!" prints "No such file or directory" < 1469315042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world... < 1469315058 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nowhere on the path < 1469315089 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also $^X is /usr/bin/perl < 1469315098 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, goruby is ruby with an autoload function that autoloads methods from any abbreviated name, plus some custom method aliases including infix operators for what you normally use alphabetic names, plus an Enum instance for Integer which is very useful < 1469315100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume that languages can't exec each other, only base systems < 1469315123 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think some of Array's methods extended to Enum so that you can omit most .to_a < 1469315139 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a way that some of it converts the resulting array back to the original type, for byte string handling < 1469315149 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it had custom functions that do stuff like hello world < 1469315243 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most golfing languages have a hello world builting < 1469315244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*builtin < 1469315244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a joke < 1469315281 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the golfing languages of the style of gs2 or pyth or stuff with single byte commands do, but I didn't know goruby was like that < 1469315286 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1469315330 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does nodejs contain "Hello, world!" as a string... < 1469315331 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible that it somehow abuses a hole in the sandbox to get information from elsewhere, like from another golf solution process started at the same time? < 1469315410 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like, a different golf solution process pushes information into it < 1469315440 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the solution is sleep 9, but another process finds its stdout and writes hello world into it < 1469315467 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in a tempfile. or a fifo < 1469315478 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including even past holes that have since been fixed < 1469315487 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1469315502 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: good point, it's problem 1 < 1469315507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could be a case of abuse of past holes < 1469315509 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did ais523 getting people to spam the bfjoust leaderboard in lieu of spamming the wiki? < 1469315519 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather have a messy wiki than a messy bfjoust leaderboard < 1469315531 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well the leaderboard doesn't change unless you actually get a program onto it < 1469315555 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: posting a copy of the top program gets a program onto it guaranteed < 1469315574 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469315577 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right, part of our discussion was ways to combat that < 1469315663 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie> Juding from the file sizes of my scrot .png's, I'm pretty sure they're at least somewhat compressed. ← I use -q 100, but I'm not sure how quality should affect compression considering it's lossless < 1469315687 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make people have to invite an eso operator for a drink to register. do we have admins from both coasts of the US? < 1469315703 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: short of "rewriting the hill to forbid it" and "setting up a parallel hill that doesn't modify the real one" i don't see what combatting there is--and discussing ways of combatting abuse on the bfj hill, something that doesn't even occur now, is already tangential to combatting abuse on the wiki < 1469315738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can not accept a program if its win/loss pattern is too similar to an existing one < 1469315760 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://corruptmyfile.com/ < 1469315768 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469315789 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aka "rewrite the hill to forbid it" < 1469315791 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: because the us is obviously everything that matters? < 1469315791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: "For lossless compression formats, like png, low quality means high compression." < 1469315817 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, but I know we have enough people from Europe < 1469315834 0 :flipFlop!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469315836 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where's that? In the source? < 1469315846 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: scrot --help. < 1469315851 0 :flipFlop!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1469315858 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: (Although I did actually read it from the source.) < 1469315869 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some sort of internal logic (low quality otherwise -> smaller files -> needs higher compression), but it's still pretty wonky. < 1469315891 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh. Weird that it's not in the manpage, considering that the help output and the manpage are pretty much the same < 1469315901 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets quality to 1
< 1469315920 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do recall that it made the images all speckly though < 1469315926 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which should not be happening < 1469315934 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an essay question isn't such a bad idea anyway. tell us anything about what you like and don't like in esolangs or similar, in between 150 and 3000 words. < 1469315936 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was producing a JPEg instead < 1469315957 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@181.93.21.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469315962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: maybe it's reducing the color depth < 1469315963 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the conversion is lossy due to losing the low-order bits of the color information < 1469315976 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should test this < 1469315980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: afair we don't currently have _any_ active admins from the americas, either wiki or channel. < 1469315984 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, better still, write my own screenshot tool < 1469316009 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pity. < 1469316011 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469316013 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so that wouldn't work. < 1469316016 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If using X window then you can use "xwd" program to make a screenshots < 1469316053 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes just use gimp to take screenshots < 1469316072 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I want to edit the screenshot a bit anyway, so why not create it right in the image editor? < 1469316075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible to run an xwd process continuously that can be requested to make screenshots without exiting? < 1469316082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering about how to see the screen "inside" xvfb < 1469316107 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are like four or five programs similar to xvfb, and some of them offer that service < 1469316121 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a VNC-based one, but there's more I don't know < 1469316124 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make the shell script to do xwd continuously < 1469316125 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone here talked about them < 1469316238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: actually what I'd really like < 1469316250 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be an xvfb-like program that stored the screen-as-a-whole image in some memory internally < 1469316254 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be read using a debugger < 1469316300 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno. maybe grep the channel logs for xvfb to find out what the other programs were < 1469316386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a Xvfb that provides you with a mmap < 1469316391 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could try ffmpeg or ImageMagick, I think they both have ways to input from an X screen, and then you can make them write a raw file to a pipe or something < 1469316394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :'d file you can use to inspect the screen. < 1469316407 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, that's just plain Xvfb. < 1469316411 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: See the "-fbdir" option. < 1469316438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf Formaldehydra is the best way to preserve it. <-- -----### < 1469316438 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1469316458 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following files are created if the -fbdir option is given. framebuffer-directory/Xvfb_screen: Memory mapped file containing screen n's framebuffer memory, one file per screen. The file is in xwd format. Thus, taking a full-screen snapshot can be done with a file copy command, and the resulting snapshot will even contain the cursor image." < 1469316507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh wow < 1469316509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems really useful < 1469316538 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wouldn't copying the file give you a potentially torn image, because reading the file isn't atomic? < 1469316571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening the file probably will be atomic though isn't it? I don't know but you can try and see if it is working? < 1469316579 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same is true of reading the screen. < 1469316596 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X doesn't do vsync very well) < 1469317131 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also a -shmem option, which "specifies that the framebuffer should be put in shared memory. The shared memory ID for each screen will be printed by the server. The shared memory is in xwd format." I don't expect it to be any more atomic, but it's an alternative.) < 1469317347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469317593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mem shmem < 1469317594 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1469317749 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my exact thoughts < 1469318085 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot disappeared again. < 1469318097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be altogether stable. < 1469318120 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with it. < 1469318133 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1469318273 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's up with you? < 1469318273 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eval ( call/ cc is just magic, ok?" < 1469318289 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1469318327 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly following continuations to other places in the logs