< 1470700801 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1470700809 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drama going on in some of my online friends' lives < 1470700998 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1470701076 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does someone know something specific that changed from posix 2008 to 2013? < 1470701166 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470701229 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not off the top of my head, but any such changes should be minimal: 2013 merely had some corrigenda applied to 2008's text. < 1470701270 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1470701272 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1470701385 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:bdf:cf40:9dbb:9ab6:826a:608e QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470701469 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1470702499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: "This 2013 Edition includes IEEE Std 1003.1-2008/Cor 1-2013 incorporated into IEEE Std 1003.1-2008 (the base document). The 2013 edition incorporates Technical Corrigendum 1 addressing problems discovered since the approval of the 2008 edition." < 1470702513 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: So you can just peruse the TC1: https://webstore.iec.ch/corrigenda/iso/isoiecieee9945-cor1%7Bed1.0%7Den.pdf < 1470702568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(321 pages might not quite count as "minimal" in an absolute sense, but maybe if measured as a fraction of the full thing.) < 1470702612 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that :O < 1470702883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, I guess that's the ISO/IEC bizarro-universe variant of it -- that is, it's "ISO/IEC/IEEE 9945:2009 Technical Corridgendum 1" which you would apply as a patch to the "ISO/IEC/IEEE 9945:2009" base document, as opposed to being "IEEE Std 1003.1-2008/Cor 1-2013" which would apply to "IEEE Std 1003.1-2008". < 1470703240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is everybody so upset about Wrath of Khan right now? < 1470703287 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1470703584 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470703938 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1470704047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: GG? <-- girl genius hth < 1470704064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very award-winning webcomic. < 1470704073 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought it was good game
< 1470704101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, around here that would be a TG game hth < 1470704143 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The text of the two documents are identical. < 1470704168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: also, Adventure, Romance, MAD SCIENCE! (TM) hth < 1470704245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh they have their own awards page < 1470704254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1470704278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG? < 1470704283 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t... t... t...) < 1470704285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a couple of those hugos are not for GG but for comics back in the '70s... < 1470704286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible Game? < 1470704288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg < 1470704296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not. < 1470704320 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1470704340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest possible multiplayer game? < 1470704350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either phil foglio started _really_ young, or he's older than i thought. < 1470704406 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470704419 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh born 1956. < 1470704441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It could be both. -e nerd points for use of exclusive disjunction for two non-contradictory possibilities < 1470704483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kaja is the same age as i. figures. < 1470704514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OKAY < 1470704532 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, Hufflepuff and Horned Serpent are actually rather compatible < 1470704568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, I think that they're more compatible than any other Hufflepuff/H or H/Horned Serpent combination) < 1470704601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I forgot about Ravenclaw/Horned Serpent < 1470704613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't actually both, though. he was at least over 20 when he got those awards. < 1470704632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That doesn't mean he got the awards soon after he started < 1470704644 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless a Hugo is bound to recency of starting) < 1470704694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But looking into it, I think Hufflepuff is still more compatible- hard work/dedication/honesty is MUCH more scholarly than wit/creativity/wisdom < 1470704765 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well it cannot be, since he's _also_ got hugos less than a decade ago. < 1470704794 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1470704841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Phil Foglio is nearing retirement age < 1470704846 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, US retirement) < 1470704873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When a student starts their education at Ilvermorny, they step onto a Gordian Knot on the floor in the centre of the entrance hall with large wooden statues of the mascots for the four houses facing them. The carved statues react if they want the student in their house." < 1470704886 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, sometimes more than one carving will try to select the same student and so the student is then able to choose the house they prefer. This happens very rarely. Sometimes - as rare as once a decade or even a generation as in the case of one student - a student will be selected by every house." < 1470704893 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it possible for no statue to react? < 1470704947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why is everybody so upset about Wrath of Khan right now? <-- i dunno but maybe it has something with the new star trek movie(?) i keep seeing ads for? < 1470704955 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something to do < 1470704965 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Khan isn't in it < 1470704980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would still cause star trek discussion... < 1470704993 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a meme. i don't see much of those. < 1470705007 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was kidding; people are actually upset about the gold-star Kahn Family- more accurately, they're upset that Trump insulted them) < 1470705014 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i stopped following reddit's default front page < 1470705028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *sigh* < 1470705039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, right. < 1470705041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see much of trump either, fortunately :P < 1470705062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks his hand in the pain hole as punishment
< 1470705065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have nearly stopped reading ordinary news. < 1470705088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that would be Dune not Star Trek, i think. (unless ST has one too...) < 1470705102 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1470705256 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just done some checking, and the universe is still safe < 1470705270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you check < 1470705285 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No company owns the rights to make both Star Wars and Star Trek movies- and, thus, no right to make a crossover < 1470705293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1470705304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god < 1470705415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent, Firefly is also properly separated < 1470705416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that Star Wars canonically happens "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" that would take some doing to not break all continuity. < 1470705434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Babylon 5 hth < 1470705446 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Star Trek has Time Travel < 1470705450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1470705454 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's probably a Clone Wars episode with it too < 1470705498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that Q(?) guy can transport people to way off galaxies. < 1470705519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't actually watched that much star trek.
< 1470705543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q < 1470705544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1470705558 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voice actor for Discord in MLP:FiM < 1470705564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a mention of Time Travel in one of the Star Wars books < 1470705566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A canon one) < 1470705584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand the canon in star wars is very brittle. < 1470705585 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I can't tell if it's mentioned as something real or just as a hypothetical < 1470705602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but this book was made specifically to lead up to The Force Awakens, and is officially 100% canon < 1470705611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1470705713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess, when you have a SF franchise written by a lot of authors it's inevitable that someone will introduce time travel (and various other things) unless it's clearly and explicitly forbidden. < 1470705793 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1470705805 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(telepathy being another obvious case) < 1470705820 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then, Star Wars's canon (until it was formally disbanded) was set up so ANYONE can make it < 1470705840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ftl travel, of course, if it wasn't there from the start. < 1470705886 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it had to be licensed < 1470705897 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still wasn't controlled by LucasFilm < 1470705902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I suppose they could reject a novel) < 1470706032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowhere in official SW canon has Time Travel ever been explicitly used; it's only ever been non-sarcastically mentioned once < 1470706062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you tried to enforce hard scifi, the problem is that most scifi writers aren't good enough at science to know what is impossible. < 1470706080 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470706109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he's slipping into very [citation needed] claims there
< 1470706158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does SW have force precognition? < 1470706184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, right! < 1470706188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because backwards causality would be sort of the firsst step to time travel :P < 1470706193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely < 1470706196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep xD < 1470706211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you can send any form of information to the past, you pretty much have proper time travel < 1470706250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can just route a teleporter through the transmitter (though it'd be difficult, as I don't think machines can access the force- a jedi would have to sit at a keyboard hitting 1 and 0 as he hears it) < 1470706262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for droids, even simpler. < 1470706266 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So it would take decades to get something to the past, and it probably wouldn't be accurate) < 1470706274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just transfer their mind. < 1470706279 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, yes < 1470706297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you can time travel but it takes a long time to do it, you risk broken-offset time travel) < 1470706338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could build a biological computer with force powers. < 1470706371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by the laws of plot, it'd inevitably turn into a supervillain. < 1470706420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1470706432 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd allow time travel, but it'd give the traveler a goatee < 1470706437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus turning them evil < 1470706438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1470706459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and the good version would turn up in an evil past < 1470706486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they'd have to work hard to send each back to the right mirror universe. < 1470706496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, force prophesies aren't absolute and the future is always in motion < 1470706496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1470706506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sad trombone* < 1470706537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decision-forking Multiverses do throw a wrench in any time travel plot < 1470706566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're liable to get literally millions of time travelers from every future that discovers and uses it < 1470706583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is likely a lot because of the decisions that /don't/ affect earth at all < 1470706594 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if the branching goes both forward and backwards. < 1470706602 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me of the Ed stories. < 1470706746 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1470706746 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470706749 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if the branching is symmetric, then you'll statistically end up with approximately one future matched to your own. < 1470706752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1470706760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(waving hands) < 1470706772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, where's the centerpoint? < 1470706776 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/where/when/ < 1470706783 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470706787 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would there be one < 1470706800 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well if it's symmetrical, it has to have a line of symmetry < 1470706800 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470706803 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the centerpoint < 1470706815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's also translation symmetric. < 1470706829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every point an work as the center. < 1470706831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What we're saying here is that, when you travel back in time, you go to a unique only-for-your-future history, correct?) < 1470706832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can < 1470706837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1470706869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but only statistically. < 1470706894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a couple futures matching the same past, and vice versa. < 1470706910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it'd be a little awkward if there were none... < 1470706912 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1470706930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome blockzombie < 1470706931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02blockzombie: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1470706953 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1470706960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although currently we seem to be discussing scifi time travel < 1470706972 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo_with_a_Shotgun < 1470707004 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was hoping to catch some context, maybe thought it was like multithreaded intercal where there may not be goto but there can be comefrom - multiple comefroms indicate thread spawn < 1470707068 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockzombie: hey that's a good analogy < 1470707085 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think we were having multiple comefroms _and_ gotos here < 1470707109 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1470707153 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockzombie: It started when I checked to make sure no one owns the film rights to both Star Wars and Star Trek, such that no one can cross them over < 1470707163 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1470707176 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If there is a centerpoint, it has weird philosophical implications < 1470707194 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all time-travel movie plots doomed? < 1470707199 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if all histories converge on one point before diverging from there, it means that Free Will is actually < 1470707206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: RELATIVITY, i said. no wait, i didn't, i just thought it. < 1470707216 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470707229 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1470707240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1470707247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. well no, i wasn't imagine any centerpoint of that kind. < 1470707251 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that Free Will is an era-dependent thing < 1470707262 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think it may be < 1470707264 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be multiple timelines crossing every time period. < 1470707273 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and merging/splitting) < 1470707286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it were discovered by humans, it would have serious justice implications if it happened around today < 1470707303 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's worse than that < 1470707324 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :our models of causality would be ambiguous < 1470707487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because the defendant's crime was committed 14 minutes before the convergence- thus meaning they didn't have free will at the time- the defendant is found "not guilty" on the grounds of Automatism") < 1470707491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\)// < 1470707495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen some discussion about free will and determinism over at scott aaronson's blog. he makes a good case that it really doesn't matter for morals/justice. < 1470707496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... now I have to go < 1470707503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1470707505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470707563 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he's considered such a convergence, though. < 1470707600 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a subjective history of the time traveller? < 1470707633 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they live, then go back in time, then experience stuff, then "travel" back to some later time again? < 1470707646 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's eir memory. i don't know if there's anything else, in a sufficiently weird universe. < 1470707666 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't memory only one example of a time effect on matter? < 1470707680 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't time merely a synthesis of such things? < 1470707689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, there might be other traces in the body. < 1470707712 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory is not a special case, it's only important to the human whose memory it is < 1470707736 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the time machine would have scuffs on it < 1470707755 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yoghurt in the time machine's refrigerator would go off < 1470707764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1470707804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course we're in one of those universes where time changes affect your subjective past as well. < 1470707827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the yoghurt changes randomly to being spelled with and without h) < 1470707898 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya guys or gals have read Anathem by Neal Stephenson? There it is discussed that Narratives thread what you(s) experience. < 1470707918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope alas < 1470707984 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470708067 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470708099 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jyazfxecbvtimxao QUIT :Excess Flood < 1470708188 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qktivhllkgiorgcl JOIN :#esoteric < 1470708241 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:48cc:cede:971d:ea2:93e4:d2ab JOIN :#esoteric < 1470708628 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470708646 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470708769 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:48cc:cede:971d:ea2:93e4:d2ab QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470708912 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470709252 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my list < 1470709301 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all time is frame-of-reference bound anyway < 1470709316 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so time travel is a discontinuity between one frame and another < 1470709454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is a black hole btw < 1470709469 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :general relativity is not nice to global frames :) < 1470709487 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a person is in one frame and the environment is in another, then the person (and their time machine) joins that other frame, there is a sequence that is coincident in both frames. Then, when the time machine is fired up to return or leave, the frames are detached. The trouble is, frames are append-only so the shared history remains and they can have a shared future also. < 1470709512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and gödel found a famous solution with time travel in it) < 1470709542 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the time machine's frame, part of its past is in the frame of the environment it visited. In the frame of its past (say the dinosaurs), the time machine will be joined when it gets invented. So the frames have two contiguous regions. < 1470709560 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's enough to get you into trouble. < 1470709590 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the laws of thermodynamics also go out the window? < 1470709613 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they are amended, then they should "black hole" like you say oerjan. < 1470709625 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :filling all presents with all possible cases in which time machines exist. < 1470709631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thermodynamics may be tricky. < 1470709645 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every possible time machine must exist at every possible moment. < 1470709656 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could just say that it's simply statistics + the fact the big bang point has low entropy. < 1470709666 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.. < 1470709684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think that's the usual explanation) < 1470709697 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm saying that statistically, you can't get away from time machines obviously existing. Either they are unavoidable or impossible. < 1470709840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one obvious way to avoid complete fillup: if you need some machinery at the time you're traveling to as well, and it has limited capacity. < 1470709864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which also explains why we haven't seen any time travelers yet) < 1470709872 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1470709878 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could anything have limited capacity? < 1470709906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if it needs to use energy to actually rebuild whoever is travelling? < 1470709909 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any material required in target time must be synthesisable in its past < 1470709926 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:d9ec:cc02:154e:d728 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470709928 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the material emerged from a past that must include now < 1470709954 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm does this hold if target time material is different to source time material? < 1470709982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this scheme you are not increasing the amount of material, just transforming it. < 1470710022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it all depends on having technology that can transform well enough. < 1470710221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if too many time travelers arrive, you end up with no material left to accomodate them (without taking some of them apart again...) < 1470710240 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470710250 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this could still use a lot of resources. < 1470710263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sounds like an obvious invasion plot) < 1470710636 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are basically talking about something that is often called time gates, no? < 1470710649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1470710655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1470710772 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470711613 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470711779 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470711858 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470712050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470712058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The felony murder rule is interesting < 1470712084 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that if, in the process of committing a felony, you wind up killing someone (even with no intention of doing so), you can be convicted of murder < 1470712393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already know the american "justice" system is crazy tyvm < 1470712436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the rule would be ok if you only had _actual_ serious crimes as felonies. < 1470712457 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely. < 1470712580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gah, why am i joining this discussion) < 1470713135 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA "justice" system seems to be more about revenge than dealing with crime or servere disagreement < 1470713179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :over at "the whiteboard": aww, and the date was going so well. < 1470713605 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470714143 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yeah, that's us < 1470714168 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: who? < 1470714173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The USA < 1470714192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, Tax Evasion, Copyright Infringement, and Cheque Fraud don't seem like they should carry the weight of a murder sentence < 1470714214 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470714265 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("You have been found guilty of attempted conspiracy to solicit the incitement of cheque fraud. The penalty is death.") < 1470714266 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: isnt it just usual that in the case of Tax Evasion that people are fined the amount of taxes owed plus some usury interest? < 1470714294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Still a felony < 1470714295 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470714362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It might be able to carry perjury as well, I think, depending on whether your tax returns are considered "under oath" < 1470714367 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: in the case of Copyright Infringement I thought it was usually enough for people to advertise that they are not the author. (Copyright Infringement -> Misattributation of authorship) < 1470714407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: No, it isn't < 1470714444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: That's plagiarism, and isn't so much a crime (usually) as a violation of school rules < 1470714462 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: tax returns arent "under oath" if you include "This information might contain inadvertant errors, the recipiant should verify" < 1470714466 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: For example, if you published the entirety of the Harry Potter books, even saying "By J. K. Rowling", it would be copyright infringement < 1470714471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Ah, yes < 1470714540 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right it is the Publishment-Exclusive right, sorry my mistake < 1470714547 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Plagiarism *can* be a crime, insofar as it is fraud. < 1470714558 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some stuff is public domain and is not copyright. < 1470714567 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, it's more complex than just plagiarism is itself a crime. < 1470714579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah, yes, that < 1470714591 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Also, apparently fraud isn't a crime, it's a tort. < 1470714596 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even in such case it would still be plagiarism to claim that it is not public domain, but I do not really understand it < 1470714597 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yet often you are not allowed to declare that public domain stuff is by you unless it literally is < 1470714600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, so that isn't a violation < 1470714603 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. something you can sue someone for, not something you can be arrested for) < 1470714609 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, every word on the esolang wiki (i hope--would be a jerk move if people are copypasting copyright shit onto it) < 1470714617 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah, yes, definitely < 1470714630 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Depends on the jurisdiction. < 1470714631 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470714643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advertising something as public domain when it isn't would probably constitute a license violation (so lawsuit-worthy, but not criminal) < 1470714663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, AFAICT, Public Domain is basically the same as a null license < 1470714669 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: most sane jurisdiction has it in their laws about Authorship to prevent someone taking something out of the public domain < 1470714712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be lawsuit-worthy, but there isn't anyone who could act as a plaintiff xD < 1470714790 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It would be plagiarism to a school... but whether it could be punished by any non-employer authority is probably complicated < 1470714828 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, Cheque Fraud is interesting because an Cheque is a promisary note and also an instruction to your bank to pay someone. If you are forging an Cheque you are basically makeing an false instruction to the backing bank. < 1470714833 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real downside to claiming something isn't public domain is that someone might notice someday and call your bullshit on it, and people would stop pretending it is < 1470714855 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It's really pretty much just theft < 1470714908 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm really pretty conflicted on regulation < 1470714939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a liberal (~-0.2 on the horseshoe), I feel like they should be < 1470714948 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now, here is a thing, if you forge an Cheque but stamp it with "INVALID" across it. Is it theft? < 1470714951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as a programmer, I feel like that's a stupid idea < 1470714954 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the different idea that you should be allowed to add a public and/or private key on your bank account; these can be used to digitally sign a cheque, as well as to access your account over the internet by SSH. But it is optional thing to do < 1470714968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ooooh < 1470714978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Let's go invent that right now < 1470714982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1470714995 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and perhaps get OpenPGP encrypted statements in email and such < 1470715001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but seriously, a bank that lets you computer it is brilliant) < 1470715013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one field on the cheque you can write the digitally signed numbers. < 1470715058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ooh! And perhaps you could run scripts on it that will automatically turn you a profit (for free or a small fee), but the bank gets to take a percentage of any profits you make (but, naturally, they don't have to pay if you lose money :P)) < 1470715089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bank software is entirely written in funge, of course < 1470715123 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also include the QR code on the bank statement that encodes the compressed contents of the bank statement, so that you can scan it into the computer. < 1470715140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the programmer side of me feels like regulating banks is stupid because, if you bind it to the word "bank", you have the issue of people not calling themselves a "bank" but performing all of the services (with no regulation) < 1470715177 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked my local bank, they werent willing to run anything turing complete nor with any more access than read access to transactionslog. < 1470715192 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digitally sign and QR code feature both require a computer but would not require internet connection, and also would not require you to use a specific computer or their specific software. To access your account over the internet by SSH of course does require internet connection. < 1470715219 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: congrats you just reinvented b-cash iirc < 1470715223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: My local bank only lets me run programs that halt :/ < 1470715248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether someone olisted already. < 1470715259 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1470715260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1470715263 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The answer is yes < 1470715265 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did < 1470715267 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so something that is basically on the level of primitive recursive functions? < 1470715270 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me) < 1470715286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: No, it can be TC, it just can't run forever < 1470715288 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about the olist for hours but didn't think to olist this place < 1470715307 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so, timeout limit then? < 1470715312 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Nope < 1470715329 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It's a joke < 1470715336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Because my bank solved the halting problem < 1470715340 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so bullshit in the same category as kyc/aml < 1470715353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they paid off the Turing Estate to lift the restriction, just for them) < 1470715369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you bind it to the stuff done by a bank, it feels stupid because that prevents some probably-legitimate companies from existing because they might have an incompatible set of services (do enough to qualify as a bank, but also do stuff that someone might want but banks aren't allowed to do) < 1470715389 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's my conflict on regulating banks < 1470715443 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what would you consider sane regulation for banks (of the cheque-ing and savings account kind)? < 1470715463 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470715473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Basically, banks should have to follow the laws everyone else does < 1470715494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't tell you they'll hold your money then refuse to give it back, because that would be theft < 1470715546 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cant refuse to give it back precisely because it would be theft < 1470715578 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SSH access will have two main commands "inquiry" to tell you how much money you have and "split" to split some of your money into a new account; you can then send the key of the new account to whoever you want to pay (the send can be by internet or using other communications channels; it does not matter). < 1470715586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't violate a contract because that'd be violating a contract < 1470715590 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that is at least in sane juristictions. < 1470715600 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the account and on the bank and so on, there may also be additional commands such as "statement" and "convert" and so on. < 1470715610 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470715636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't break into your house at night, beat the shit out of you, insert a large object into an orifice, then snap your neck, because that would be burglary/assault/battery/rape/murder < 1470715644 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ya read what nick szabo has written? And btw that sounds little bit like the functionality of paymer|webmoney notes < 1470715652 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470715678 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: your point? < 1470715694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: That's the stuff that I'm not conflicted at all about < 1470715740 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any form of regulation that can be easily evaded with wording or that could prevent a legit company from doing legit things sets of my programmer to varying degrees < 1470715773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Wikipedia lists statutory rape under "Victimless Crimes" < 1470715775 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of regulation would that be? < 1470715794 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: re wikipedia because both parties are consenting < 1470715814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: True, but... < 1470715827 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Pretty much anything, really < 1470715870 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in theory, someone could want you to perform any service < 1470715874 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what would you think that a company cant do but is legit in your view. < 1470715885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Risky investing is one < 1470715892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's legit if the customer knows that it's risky < 1470715950 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know enaugh latin but I suspect it would be something to informed cavet emptor, no? < 1470715972 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caveat? < 1470715984 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :caveat < 1470715992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1470716021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So preventing any service which is classified as a bank (by features) from performing a service that someone could want (and isn't going to victimize someone else) seems stupid < 1470716053 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "AS IS" clause of many software licenses, so to speak. (Also "WARNING THIS SOFTWARE HAS NOT BE CERTIFIED FOR AVIONICS, " < 1470716090 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you are basically entering the area of regulatory capture here. < 1470716115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is also credit union, and that is also a kind of bank. You need shares in the credit union to have the account, but then you can access it from any credit union ATM (even if it is a different company) and not have to pay the service charge. < 1470716204 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay service charge for using an ATM? where I am from the banks just bill each other and settle in eather direction. < 1470716249 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to pay service charge if the ATM and the account are both credit unions (they can be different credit unions though) < 1470716261 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I have heard numerous times (even from my local bank) to use credit unions in USA and not the banks there < 1470716278 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Canada < 1470716296 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same applies < 1470716302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I suppose we can just make a law say that the regulations can be waived by someone signing a contract < 1470716305 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflict resolved < 1470716339 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you sure you havent followed or played any nomics? < 1470716349 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I want to < 1470716357 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I'm trying to get into Agora or start my own Nomic < 1470716364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I never properly have, no < 1470716374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am, personally, of the opinion that contracts should pretty much be above US law when applied to the group of people signing them, if they're able to reasonably consent to the contract < 1470716375 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1470716438 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used that word "reasonably" which to me is a weasle word. (A kind of bullshytte as Erameas in Anathem would say) < 1470716462 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I? < 1470716480 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "reasonably consent" would be defined somewhere < 1470716521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "not mentally ill (insofar as [...]), over 18, not intoxicated..." < 1470716529 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hmm.. are you familiar with the mouse trap from Agora nomic? it resvolvs around this very issue iirc < 1470716547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1470716553 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: how about "is the only company providing this service for residents at place X"? < 1470716578 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: How so? < 1470716606 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, you can either sign a contract that waiwes some of your rights, or you don't get, say, internet connection < 1470716619 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am nonplussed about the ISPs (usually cable) in USA. You mean there are exclusive franchises? < 1470716627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean, as in, if ONLY this company gives electricity in your city, they can't mix in "you sign this contract and we give you power, BUT we can kill you if we feel like it" < 1470716629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1470716643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an issue < 1470716660 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the US there are often exclusive franchises. < 1470716675 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, several companies provide such service, but all require such a contract < 1470716711 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about if you can get service without signing such a contract, but it will be much shittier than if you do < 1470716729 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: never understood why that is allowed at all. < 1470716788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I don't know, probably that you can't force a company to provide internet to an area < 1470716790 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then again USA real estates/properties have 'easement' which is bizzare to me < 1470716826 0 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-gnxzjjejdurajnwq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1470716829 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if only one company is willing to provide wifi to a region, then nobody could get wifi at all there because you can't just have one company < 1470716832 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easements, though common in the US, are *very* much a common law concept. < 1470716838 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sure, but the converse should also be true: you can not force a company not to provide internet to an area < 1470716843 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: So is this the Small Partial Mousetrap? < 1470716849 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: True, true < 1470716851 0 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-rpjcgqlynywtmddh JOIN :#esoteric < 1470716860 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: only USA and UK has it iirc < 1470716873 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, other common law jurisdictions should have it. < 1470716876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: But if exclusive franchises are banned, then those are incompatible < 1470716890 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, easements are non-possessive, non-exclusive rights to property. < 1470716910 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: exclusive franchises are often made and forced upon people without their explict consent < 1470716926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Still impossible < 1470716957 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: also you have situations where companies agree to not "tresspass on each other's territory" < 1470716958 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you can't force someone to, but you can't force them not to, then if only one person wants to set up shop in a region, you can't make another person do it too to prevent an exclusive franchise, but you can't force the first person not to to prevent an exclusive franchise < 1470716968 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most notable in things like roads and their associated right-of-way: in common law, you can't purchase a road and bar someone access to their property via it, as they possess an easement on that road. < 1470716993 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, there are sometimes 'limits' on properties but they are always listed in the deed of it. < 1470717025 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470717045 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe a different kind of contract would be necessary to waive rights; like, special, separate ones that are ONLY allowed to do one thing < 1470717069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't roll "I can murder you if I feel like it" in with "you get wifi" < 1470717099 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :what defines what can and cannot be combined? < 1470717112 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: exclusive franchise is enforced by law. I am against that. I want the possibility that a competitor can come around if the encumebenant is being nasty with their terms of service < 1470717119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Oh, no, we don't have that < 1470717131 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a general rule, how do you prevent loopholing, and if it's per-case, haven't we reinvented regulations < 1470717149 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It's worth remembering the history of common law as an outgrowth of the English feudal system, to try and make sense of WTF it does and how it works. < 1470717166 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nowhere in the US where only one company is /allowed/ to provide wifi (I think); its' just that there are some places where only one company has /decided/ to do so < 1470717174 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ...fuck < 1470717175 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as relates to property law. < 1470717202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Probably you can only put rightwaiving in one kind of contract and normal stuff in another < 1470717222 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: So the mousetrap is basically saying "if I say something, you all have to agree with me"? < 1470717231 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fairly distinct from how it tends to work in civil law. < 1470717242 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nope. < 1470717248 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Oh? < 1470717253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: What is it then? < 1470717286 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a mouse trap would be kind of "if you perform this action (or fail to perform it) then you hereby consent to be bound by this contract|contest-rules" < 1470717297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1470717309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unilaterally-enforced then? < 1470717342 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFJ 24 is rather interesting < 1470717377 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if it were allowed you could make an contract that bites an judge in his|her arse if they conclude an spefic trial in certain direction < 1470717438 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes < 1470717489 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: But what we mean is that it's a contract that you enter without explicitly saying you want to agree to? < 1470717502 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: one consequence of civil law regarding property is that service lines such as sewage, power and such do not have right of way through my property. (Though there is usually agreement for the service lines you request to have on your property to get those services) < 1470717546 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hence there are branches from the mainlines under the roads (which is on land owned by the government) to each house < 1470717611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone did <-- you probably did just as clog was down. < 1470717696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes the obvious, but is too far up in the scrollback.
< 1470717779 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and the title and deed registry is extremely precise regarding where property lines lie. Sometimes resulting in stuff like where an corner of you lot (if it is on the corner of two roads) is owned by the goverment because they though that the corner of the roads would be more curved < 1470717826 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in one case the goverment sold such a corner to the lot owner for token price < 1470717829 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, in common law, while the deed registry is similarly precise, the actual use of the land can override the deed. < 1470717866 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: that's true in common law too < 1470717873 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bit about underground, I mean) < 1470717881 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470717885 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :in common law, property rights extend indefinitely downwards and upwards < 1470717918 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except insofar as easements go. It's possible for there to be an easement on the property where the service lines go through. < 1470717920 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not so in civil law. Though there are restrictions on huge properties such as agriculture lands and such < 1470717961 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuut it gets complicated there. < 1470717964 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(responding to the comment on the actual use of the land overriding the deed) < 1470717990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clog? < 1470718084 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I think you have it backwards < 1470718098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: If you're referring to a specific real-world thing < 1470718120 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Hess Triangle" < 1470718146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The government used eminent domain to take Hess's land, but they missed that triangle, so Hess's heirs still owned that little spot < 1470718155 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: not so where I live. The property right extends upward to the defined aerospace floor (lowest that airplanes are allowed to fly) and down to the structural bedrock. So if someone digs a tunnel so far underneeth your house that the tunel might as well not be there structurally wise then you have no property right to it. < 1470718192 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I am refering to a spefic real-world thing and no it was not backwards. < 1470718220 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the road was planned well before any house was to be built < 1470718236 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hess_triangle < 1470718239 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That? < 1470718292 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the land was bought from a farmer adjenct to the city, roads and property lines decided and then sold in those pieces) < 1470718337 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470718337 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: No, the Hess Triangle was owned by Hess < 1470718348 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The city took his land to widen a street, but they missed the triangle < 1470718349 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not talking about the Hess triangle < 1470718365 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1470718365 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1470718396 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did the city take his land to widen a street? poor planning when that street was laid down? < 1470718403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Time < 1470718415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1470718417 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: When the street was laid, we didn't have cars < 1470718419 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we did < 1470718424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they needed the street < 1470718444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hess was compensated for the land, at least) < 1470718519 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the usual rules (where I live) regarding property is that you cannot buy a piece of it unless the property has been split up explictly beforehand < 1470718533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1470718538 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under civil law, land is owned from bedrock to the aerospace floor by default < 1470718541 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same applies to the eminent domain) < 1470718547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can land be owned in 3D if requested < 1470718562 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh god, and with lax enough timesharing rules, someone can own a 4D plot < 1470718563 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1470718585 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :not land but property, but only if the properties below have restrictions to literally suport the ones above < 1470718640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can arbitrarily subdivide property here. < 1470718664 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: same where but you have to declare it to the property registry < 1470718685 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: same if you are combining two adjenct ones into one < 1470718712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CERN should allocate a 1-square-centimetre space and sell it to people in planck-area plots < 1470718761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5.2438356e+55 plots per person at most) < 1470718765 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I think here you don't *have* to, but if you don't you are going to have a much harder time defending property rights. < 1470718795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: clog is the logging bot hth < 1470718797 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: precisely why you have to here < 1470719048 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470719158 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1470719164 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the declaration only needs to be public in a way so the landregistry will be informed of it < 1470719214 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely, I think a link somewhere in USA went on the fritz as both freenode and efnet disconnected on me < 1470719335 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to introduce "The Pinocchio Bill" to congress: the text is simply "Congress shall not pass the Pinocchio bill" < 1470719358 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any congressman who comments that it creates a paradox they cannot escape from will be immediately removed from office < 1470719507 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no paradox if they don't pass it hth < 1470719544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly, that's the point < 1470719570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So if they are too hasty and think that there is a paradox, then they should be removed from office because they don't understand even basic logic < 1470719573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...waaaait < 1470719585 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pinocchio Paradox is broken < 1470719598 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no rule against Pinocchio's nose growing when he tells the truth < 1470719606 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the solution is that his nose does grow < 1470719738 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you are saying that the growth of his nose is the consequent of an implies condition which is "pinocchio is lieing", yes? < 1470719762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes < 1470719775 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: But nose growth is possible when pinocchio is /not/ lying < 1470719777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wait, wait < 1470719806 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does pinocchio's nose grow only when he lies, or does it grow any time he makes a false statement? < 1470719809 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that in the original book, there are two kinds of lies, the other gives short legs instead.
< 1470719873 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if the latter is true then he can get a job as an science instrument though it would require a saw < 1470719878 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Really? < 1470719881 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1470719884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are the two types? < 1470719891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which are they bound to?) < 1470719894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Of course < 1470719898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the fairy elaborated on that. < 1470719947 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Ellbereth < 1470720011 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the original was, afaik, a christian (catholic) moral fable, don't expect it to follow programmer logic. < 1470720029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has forgotten most of it, anyway.
< 1470720052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i ever _did_ read it through. < 1470720057 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh < 1470720065 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I found it < 1470720080 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Short leg lies are ones that people believe for a little while, but that will eventually be shown false < 1470720096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Long nose lies are obviously false to everyone EXCEPT the liar < 1470720096 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. I think there was some wizard fantasy where even an journey man could make an stone that gave the holder a burning sensation if he uttured a false statement. Most of the wizards thought it useless until someone started to keep a list of statements that he or she had tried and the outcome < 1470720148 0 :Ellbereth!?@? NICK :I < 1470720148 0 :I!?@? NICK :Guest73273 < 1470720153 0 :Guest73273!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1470720271 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: And the outcome? < 1470720289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1470720301 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :one story was about a theif had acquired such a stone and used it to map out the premises of a place he wanted to bulgarize < 1470720399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if pinnocchio's nose was just true/false, then it would have serious military applications: "Iran has a nuke", "Russia plans to start a war with the USA", "There is an active, serious attack being planned on American soil" < 1470720425 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470720466 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theif could only do it a few times before anyone with any wealth worth the risk cought on. < 1470720502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more terrifying is if it's the other way around- if Pinocchio says something will happen, the growth of his nose doesn't indicate the future; if he says something about the future is true and his nose doesn't grow (perhaps because it wasn't strictly a lie or because it has been prevented using LAZERS), then he has now set a mandatory future event that cannot be averted < 1470720565 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people just hired security that had the job to regularly use such a stone to ask if anyone was or had recently used such a stone to enquire about the contents of a specified residence or building. If so then valueable stuff was moved around. < 1470720605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the stuff has been moved around" < 1470720627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, once all knowledge is accessible upon specific true/false query, the world gets complicated < 1470720630 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw those stones were unable to say anything about the future < 1470720672 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you got the zen feeling of both the sensation of burning and not burning < 1470720756 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that was the entire point of the story < 1470720771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1470720812 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470720828 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Was the zen feeling weighted? For example, if you say something that is true in 1 in 4 potential futures, do you feel 1 part burning, 3 parts non-burning? < 1470720848 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also the restriction that the enquries must be stated about objective and not subjective < 1470720865 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nope, just always equal < 1470720896 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: How would it respond to "The Prequels were decent movies"? < 1470720921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what if you make a collective statement without a qualifier? < 1470720932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Can it ansible? < 1470720954 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: by not doing anything as such is an subject enquiry < 1470720963 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the prequels one that is) < 1470720979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: No, it's pretty objective IMO < 1470720984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, no, IMF) < 1470721121 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "The blue stone was at time inside the second ring on the board", kind of questions? < 1470721145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Wat? < 1470721167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, if you say something like "Cretians are liars" < 1470721184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It clearly isn't subjective < 1470721192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's hard to pin it as true or false < 1470721210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it doesn't say "ALL Cretians" < 1470721219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't say "SOME Cretians" < 1470721229 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically "Rule of Thumb: Cretians are Liars" < 1470721244 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot that the stones only gave the burning sensation for false statements < 1470721326 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the statement must be completely understandable by the asker to be as spefic as possible or nothing would happen < 1470721402 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that I am off to bed < 1470721407 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1470721745 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1470721831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody MMWed that an Olympian will learn Spanish to prepare for the Rio Olympics < 1470721841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then quickly learn their mistake < 1470721870 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470721904 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://xkcd.com/246/ < 1470721929 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1470722316 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470722716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just opened https://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald < 1470722717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1470722720 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a parody? < 1470722751 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470722926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkMyWords/comments/4vcce3/mmw_on_obamas_last_day_in_office_he_and_his/d5xq10x < 1470723073 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunder xωx < 1470723158 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470723226 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the_donald is its own parody < 1470723241 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people there are honest though < 1470723247 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's quite conservapedia < 1470723275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1470723315 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470723347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBJ was sworn in using Kennedy's instructions for how to do mass, as no Bible was on hand < 1470723354 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sovereigns would have a field day on that < 1470723761 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rvtvbaeogxpcnfqt QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470724442 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470724714 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470725443 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp/b_jonas: Make #esoteric fnordy again < 1470726498 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_poetry < 1470726507 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Perl < 1470727636 0 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470727716 0 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1470728032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470728126 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470728390 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a regex to match lines that contain at least 3 different characters? < 1470728399 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470728667 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I'm not sure there's a succinct one < 1470728699 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minimal DFA requires |\Sigma|^2+2 states, pretty trivially < 1470728731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put \n in a negative lookahead? < 1470728739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, \ < 1470728780 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :backreferences and lookaheads are not features of regular expressions hth < 1470728786 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in #regex gave me this https://regex101.com/r/xW5iA0/1 < 1470728951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats alercah -----###
< 1470728996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: oh right clever < 1470729056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the *+ for < 1470729083 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :super greedy < 1470729096 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the right term for that < 1470729121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, no backtracking? < 1470729131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you'd need that. < 1470729173 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for that technique) < 1470729237 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a cut < 1470729518 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called possessive quantifier btw < 1470730513 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470731418 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470732779 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1470732790 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a game is updated, does the ESRB have to re-rate it? < 1470732809 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an esrb? < 1470732852 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :eric steven raymond's beard < 1470732970 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Electronic Systems Rating Board, I think < 1470732983 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's decided, it's esr's beard < 1470733081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn esrb//ESRB = Eric Steven Raymond's beard < 1470733084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «esrb» < 1470733091 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronic steven rating beard < 1470733112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: But IRL, it's the organization that says what games have too much blood or how bad it is that two people kissed < 1470733133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, let's be honest, gay men kissing is MUCH more likely to be bumped up than straight men kissing) < 1470733157 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'd guess how bad a kiss is heavily depends on the genders of the participants? < 1470733161 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1470733181 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That's what I just said < 1470733195 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read it while typing < 1470733197 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :straigt couples only have great kisses? < 1470733198 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1470733207 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 men < 2 women < man/woman < 1470733223 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because murica < 1470733230 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 3 men + 2 women < 1470733242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, but straight couples are the least likely to offend Curmudgeons on the ESRB < 1470733246 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Depends on the graph < 1470733255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Please give me the proper digraph of kissing and I can clarify < 1470733272 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all sort of sticking their tongues out to touch the other five's < 1470733278 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err four's < 1470733289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Weirdly, the kissing digraph allows both loops AND duplicated edges) < 1470733293 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, tongue < 1470733302 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll get nuked from orbit < 1470733310 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LinusTorvalds/posts?pid=6173274135056727234&oid=102150693225130002912 can we talk about this? < 1470733312 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes < 1470733332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That is, they'll allow you to release it, but only as DLC on an Alien game < 1470733340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: That cannot possibly be real < 1470733358 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's very good 3d graphics < 1470733428 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, my problem is with Linus Torvalds using Google+ < 1470733436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, which is the paranoid one?) < 1470733440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been using it for years < 1470733441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's rms, isn't it < 1470733442 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1470733443 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where have you been? < 1470733447 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's rms < 1470733450 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1470733473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rms is the one who has someone email him the HTML and prints it out, right? < 1470733486 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux 4.0 got nicknamed "hurr durr ima sheep" because of a google+ poll < 1470733520 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he doesn't back up like boaty mcboatface < 1470733542 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's arguably not even the worst name so far < 1470733553 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names < 1470733568 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux for workgroups is by far the best one < 1470733570 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heh, maybe a cockpit in some museum rather than an actual in-use plane < 1470733581 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's his name on it < 1470733584 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: :D yeah < 1470733591 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: oh.. good point < 1470733688 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the jeff one < 1470733752 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :killer bat of doom <3 < 1470733783 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esrb < 1470733784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ESRB = Eric Steven Raymond's beard < 1470733799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd esrb//s,.,, < 1470733801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/esrb//ESRB = Eric Steven Raymond's beard < 1470733825 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux 2.6.15 sliting snow leopard is older than mac os x snow leopard < 1470733835 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLE STOLE IT < 1470733846 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUE THEM < 1470733851 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY MUST PAY < 1470734105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I really think they should've named it boaty mcboatface < 1470734166 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a voting for a design for a pril bottle (don't know if that's a thing elsewhere) < 1470734196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Got_Back#Synopsis < 1470734273 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://net-netz-blog.de/index.php/wie-marketingaktionen-im-internet-nach-hinten-gehen-konnen/ (german) < 1470734323 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they voted on a sticker for a bottle of washing stuff and a meme would've won by a landslide < 1470734426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel it's time for me to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix < 1470734611 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470735746 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ship prefix sounds like something you put in front of your forum nickname to indicate your shipping preferences. < 1470736830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Theseus once said, "I like big boats and I always lie" < 1470737172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470737392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470737545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1470739090 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h132.pguest.mun.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1470739358 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h132.pguest.mun.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470741672 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h132.pguest.mun.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1470742212 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h132.pguest.mun.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470742402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470743051 0 :blockzombie!~blockzomb@eth59-167-133-100.static.internode.on.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470743112 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1470743113 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky//to Minsky on : /mɪnskiː/ To act as a Minsky machine on; of a program or programming language, to encode its entire state into the object as a single integer. < 1470745636 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470745705 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PARBOILED CHICKEN < 1470745982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470746023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470746467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470746566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470747735 0 :ybden!?@? NICK :evilybden < 1470748460 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470749985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470750090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470751140 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an object-oriented minsky machine < 1470751154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470751172 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1470751252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Floater14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49102&oldid=42435 5* 03Zom-B 5* (-152) 10Source and binaries < 1470753582 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470754839 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1470755140 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470756028 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470756273 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470756468 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbnsovrochaaruzm QUIT :Excess Flood < 1470756486 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ytyuanffpnnyqtmp JOIN :#esoteric < 1470757635 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.5 < 1470757653 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470757775 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470758466 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:d9ec:cc02:154e:d728 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470758486 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:d9ec:cc02:154e:d728 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470758992 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470760496 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1470761593 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1470761772 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470761946 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1470761948 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1470764059 0 :evilybden!?@? NICK :ybden < 1470765623 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/kzzCkXd.jpg birth of openbsd < 1470767659 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to stop accepting patches from, well, from developers with a proven history of causing critical security vulnerabilities until our code reviewers can figure out what's going on. < 1470767743 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's start a new sound merger in English! The Darn-Damn merger! < 1470767816 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way rn won't just look like an m it will sound like one too! < 1470768016 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1470768021 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone has a .corn domain? < 1470768082 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470768234 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.corn < 1470768651 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uni.co.de < 1470768736 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the startup for marketing the .corn domain would be uni.corn. a.corn would house the root servers. < 1470768915 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, another fun one would be .www domains < 1470768993 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.kayak.www < 1470769359 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1470770549 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470770654 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h158.pguest.mun.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1470770804 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470770830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470771322 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1470771840 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1470771875 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1470772036 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-avccgjtjbxcnwohq QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470772348 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kflabdsqdfxslotz JOIN :#esoteric < 1470773063 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470773133 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470773187 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1470773290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470773403 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470773508 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h158.pguest.mun.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470773534 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:d9ec:cc02:154e:d728 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470773701 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1470773735 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470774359 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1470774374 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470774539 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470774660 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3045:65a4:93aa:6ab8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470775250 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man people swear at cell phones a lot < 1470775288 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1470775596 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1470775641 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have to bring balance between the light and dark sides of the Force" "OK, let's make sure there are a shitton of light side users and absolutely no Dark Side users whatsoever, that sounds pretty balanced" "Yeah, sounds go- wait, what?" < 1470775870 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring peace by conquering everything < 1470775957 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/empiredidnothingwrong < 1470775958 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3045:65a4:93aa:6ab8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470775990 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1470777876 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3868:83af:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1470778279 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470778980 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470779918 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470780121 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470781547 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host81-129-217-145.range81-129.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470781699 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470782412 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470782442 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1470783026 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470783081 0 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix JOIN :#esoteric < 1470783644 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470784240 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1470784244 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1470784263 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1470784263 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1470784304 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1470784304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1470784355 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1470784481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470784777 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hashfunc () { local LC_ALL=C; printf %u\\n "$(( 64#9876543210${1//[!0-9a-zA-Z_@]/_} ** 2 ))"; }; hashfunc "hello world!" < 1470784778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10164816120765323521 < 1470784805 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad is that? < 1470784963 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fastest string hash i could come up with in bash < 1470784993 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean fastest decent string hash < 1470785010 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhttp://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-pictures/how-to-reset-volume-mixer-levels/39b6e5f2-0ee9-463c-89c9-8257264294cf?auth=1 < 1470785012 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does avalanche nicely < 1470785013 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1470785013 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-pictures/how-to-reset-volume-mixer-levels/39b6e5f2-0ee9-463c-89c9-8257264294cf?auth=1 < 1470785434 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad is it for a hash function if hash(i) + hash(i+1) is always an odd number? < 1470785553 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe okay for hashtables, unacceptable for cryptography. < 1470785587 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to color the hostname in my shell prompt < 1470785632 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably okay then < 1470785908 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470785927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for the glorious future when we can say "Greedo shot first, but due to the speed-of-light delay, there is no way Han's shot could have been specifically in reaction to Greedo rather than coincidentally placed" < 1470785957 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would ever say that < 1470785959 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1470785983 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :han shot first case closed < 1470786025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Han shot first, but when the timestream was rewritten by the great Sacul, things changed" < 1470786060 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, egroeg sacul < 1470786101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: HOW DARE YOU DEFAME THE GREAT SACUL < 1470786118 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do D: < 1470786119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EGROEG" IS NOT A PROPER WAY TO REFER TO YOUR GOD < 1470786129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I know it's "george") < 1470786145 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a properer name? < 1470786152 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@n023h156.pguest.mun.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1470786154 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... Curious George Lucas < 1470786184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the Jungle < 1470786462 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470786641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470786710 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host81-129-217-145.range81-129.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1470787177 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection