00:02:08 <zzo38> The variable that stores how many hit points opponent has is called "current_mode_y", while the variable that stores the time limit is called "current_mode_z". Spinners are worth 1 point, bumpers are worth 2 points if not flashing or 50 points if flashing, drop targets are worth 100 points, and some things are worth random numbers of points (why?)
00:24:41 <zzo38> I looked at the stuff about new Magic: the Gathering Conspiracy set. So I thought of one card to make up: Enchant player ;; When ~ comes into play, enchanted player becomes the monarch. ;; At the beginning of enchanted player's upkeep, the monarch loses 1 life.
00:27:13 <shachaf> I don't know what the monarch is.
00:28:32 <zzo38> It is a new rule. Initially there is no monarch. Up to one player can be the monarch, and that player draws a card at the beginning of the end step (I don't know if it is a turn-based action or triggered ability; the proper rules are not yet written). If a creature deals combat damage to the monarch, that creature's controller becomes the monarch.
00:28:56 <zzo38> (I don't know whether or not this effect uses the stack.)
00:30:24 <zzo38> Only that player's own end step, I think. The proper rules are not yet written so I don't quite know.
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00:31:49 <shachaf> a heffalump or woozle is very confusel
00:32:09 <shachaf> It would be too good if it was at each end step.
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00:39:14 <int-e> you're not very subtle
00:39:35 <shachaf> Did you play Spider and Web?
00:40:19 <oerjan> shachaf: also, one of disney's more psychedelic scenes, i believe
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00:42:16 <int-e> Not in the past 8 weeks. I have some notes... listing too many toys of various polarities.
00:43:57 <shachaf> There are only two polarities.
00:44:04 <shachaf> It's really not all that complicated.
00:44:46 <int-e> Oh I'm sure it isn't, I just haven't continued.
00:44:57 <fizzie> There are only two polarities: sieve and kettle.
00:45:22 <int-e> I haven't completed snakebird either
00:46:00 <shachaf> How much money is reasonable to spend on a computer?
00:46:04 <shachaf> Why are the good ones expensive?
00:46:21 <int-e> supply and demand?
00:46:43 <shachaf> The second question was rhetorical.
00:48:53 <int-e> But why would you ever ask a rhetorical question?!
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02:09:23 <hppavilion[1]> At 15:30:08 UTC on Sunday, 4 December 292,277,026,596,[21][22] 64-bit versions of the Unix time stamp would cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 64-bit number. This is nearly 22 times the estimated age of the universe, which is 1.37×1010 years (13.7 billion), and by this time all Earth-based systems running on 64-bit UNIX time will be long gone due to the Earth being incinerated by the red
02:10:34 <oerjan> that's not a given. e.g. we could do like the Puppeteers and move Earth somewhere else.
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02:12:04 <oerjan> or to put it differently, if humans or our descendants are still around by then, then i expect us to have learned how to solve such problems.
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02:12:49 <oerjan> (of course, this may not leave the Earth any _better_ off.)
02:14:13 <oerjan> also, i thought that estimate was around 4-5 billion years...
02:14:52 <Yurume_> oerjan : are we sure that we will have *descendants* by that time? ;)
02:15:11 <oerjan> Yurume_: i clearly wrote an "if" hth
02:15:24 <oerjan> also, i was using it in the loosest possible sense.
02:16:31 <oerjan> there's probably a better word.
02:16:50 <Yurume_> (feels like that the human logic avoids any resolution resulting in vacuous true)
02:17:49 <oerjan> it's not quite vacuously true, i think.
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02:18:43 <oerjan> our successors _could_ be around but having failed to preserved Earth.
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02:20:34 <oerjan> perhaps not seeing it as important. it's not like current humans are always respectful to history.
02:22:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Calcutape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49154&oldid=49145 * DatCodingGuy * (+180) /* Implementations */
02:28:43 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o74BnFSr8g is a thing that exists and this makes me happy
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02:47:16 <quintopia> novel now at 110k words what will i do to shorten it :(
02:53:14 <oerjan> get rid of that annoying character that you put in just for laughs hth
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04:45:02 <shachaf> What are some good characterizations of P/NP/PSPACE/etc. that don't use Turing machines?
04:45:23 <oerjan> `learn Tc is the abbreviation for Technetium, an element so sophisticated that it does not exist naturally.
04:45:27 <HackEgo> Learned 'tc': Tc is the abbreviation for Technetium, an element so sophisticated that it does not exist naturally.
04:46:20 <shachaf> oerjan: I assume it's impossible to produce with a natural transformation?
04:48:21 <oerjan> shachaf: PSPACE is the set of languages recognizable by super mario hth
04:48:35 <HackEgo> Mario is a classic PSPACE-complete problem invented by Nintendo.
04:48:42 <oerjan> i guess you don't need the super.
04:49:08 <shachaf> Is Super Mario a version of Mario equipped with a Mario oracle?
04:49:44 <oerjan> that should work, though, since i believe PSPACE is low for itself.
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05:20:58 <HackEgo> <oerjan> revert \ <elliott> revert 1 \ <oerjan> echo "HackEgo? \xc2\xaf\\(\xc2\xb0\xe2\x80\x8b_o)/\xc2\xaf" >wisdom/ruddy
05:21:23 * oerjan has no idea why he made that.
05:21:40 <oerjan> it must have been funny in context.
05:21:54 <shachaf> `` hg log wisdom/ruddy | tac
05:21:58 <HackEgo> \ summary: <oerjan> echo "HackEgo? \xc2\xaf\\(\xc2\xb0\xe2\x80\x8b_o)/\xc2\xaf" >wisdom/ruddy \ date: Sat Dec 07 01:36:57 2013 +0000 \ user: HackBot \ changeset: 4150:d7b1acbebad0
05:22:43 <shachaf> http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-12-07 hth
05:25:31 <shachaf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-0HRs0FY2U
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06:07:00 <shachaf> seeing from the side, it is so thin
06:30:59 <oerjan> everything went better than expected
06:31:34 <shachaf> Did the email get through?
06:32:48 <oerjan> i refer to the hamster hth
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06:46:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49156&oldid=49153 * DatCodingGuy * (+1503) /* C# */
06:47:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fishstacks]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49157&oldid=49146 * DatCodingGuy * (-9) /* External resources */
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06:49:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49158&oldid=49148 * DatCodingGuy * (-14) The last few edits of mine have been updating links
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06:56:52 <zzo38> I had some ideas of new spell to make up for Dungeons&Dragons game, such as, to create an extra timelike dimension, to save part of the duration of a spell for later, to apply metamagic to opponent's spell, to feign invisibility, to become invisible to humans, to go back in time 13 seconds, to delay a spell until another ends...
06:58:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49159&oldid=49156 * Oerjan * (-1503) Undo revision 49156 by [[Special:Contributions/DatCodingGuy|DatCodingGuy]] ([[User talk:DatCodingGuy|talk]]) (Still broken)
06:59:25 <zzo38> More possibilities are, to redirect damage directed at summoned creatures to yourself, to suppress a spell during even-numbered rounds of its duration, to create coloured water (acts like normal water), to make any spell language-dependent, to force a target to decide his action in advance (but you don't know what his decision is), and also a few more.
07:00:40 <shachaf> What is feigning invisibility?
07:00:54 <shachaf> Does it mean that someone who can see invisible things thinks you're invisible, but you aren't actually?
07:01:14 <zzo38> If they can see you, they believe you are invisible, but can see you despite that you are invisible.
07:01:46 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/deadfish: not found
07:01:57 <shachaf> I have some variations on your spell "to go back in time 13 secods"
07:01:57 <oerjan> don't we have a deadfish anywhere.
07:01:58 <zzo38> (If you actually are invisible and they cannot see invisibility, it won't have any effect. If they can see invisible already, then it does have the effect you mentioned.)
07:02:04 <oerjan> oh well, i think i have one somewhere...
07:02:12 <zzo38> shachaf: OK, what kind of variations is that please?
07:02:29 <shachaf> For example, to go back in time 12 seconds, to go back in time 14 seconds, to go back in time 13 years, to go back in time 13 weeks, to go forward in time 13 seconds.
07:02:44 <shachaf> To go back in time 7 seconds, to go back in time 26 seconds...
07:03:27 <zzo38> I like to just have one which is specifically for 13 seconds (a bit more than 2 rounds); it won't do a lot, but sometimes it is more than sufficient to do what you require.
07:05:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49160&oldid=49159 * Oerjan * (+75) Add test cases for d.
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07:30:09 <oerjan> i guess there's still no test for wrapping with i...
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08:00:10 <shachaf> http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_hBO2gZDg8f.png is ridiculous
08:01:52 <FireFly> Is Conspiracy a new card type?
08:02:06 <shachaf> It was introduced in the last Conspiracy set.
08:02:15 <zzo38> No it was in the first Conspiracy set invented at first.
08:02:17 <FireFly> That sounds a bit broken to me, that card
08:02:29 <zzo38> All conspiracies are automatically banned.
08:02:50 <shachaf> Though if you draft one or two other conspiracies this one becomes unusable.
08:02:51 <zzo38> Therefore it can be used only in Limited formats
08:02:54 <shachaf> Since you need 40 cards in your deck.
08:05:03 <zzo38> It can depend on your format of drafting; if it is not a standard draft (for example, if you use more than three packs, or if you are playing Sealed with more than three packs) then you can have more.
08:05:43 <zzo38> Also in a Limited game you can add any number of conventional basic lands to your sideboard, so you aren't going to run out.
08:08:02 <shachaf> Oh, you mean when you use this card.
08:09:06 <zzo38> Run out of basic lands.
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08:51:24 <zzo38> Can you please to tell me if this example program is understable OK: http://www.intfiction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20365
08:56:13 <zzo38> Possibly with the help I can make up some set/block of Magic: the Gathering cards. I have some cards I made up but I can get rid of a lot of the stuff and abilities and so on, write proper rules, make changes for balances and so on, assign rarities for use with draft/sealed, etc.
08:56:19 <zzo38> As well as to add new cards. Still the same file for all of them I make up and once they will be added into one or more sets it can be locked up that specific card, although such thing as the picture and favortext and rarity can still be altered between sets.
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09:31:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49163&oldid=49162 * DatCodingGuy * (+1237) Finally got my Deadfish interpreter running thanks to oerjan
09:34:16 <shachaf> I can't remember whether John Metcalf is here.
09:36:35 <shachaf> Ah, with the nick "Metcalf"?
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09:37:14 <FireFly> no idea what nickname, but the name sounds a bit familiar
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11:43:27 <HackEgo> soviet russia//¯\(°_o)/¯ soviet russia?
12:02:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fourier]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49164&oldid=49121 * Beta-Decay * (-29) Updated interpreters
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12:42:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Caker]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49165 * TuxCrafting * (+1452) Created page with "Caker is a programming language created by [[User:TuxCrafting]] Caker operate on a unbounded bit tape == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Action |- | <code>..."
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13:04:11 <gamemanj> Caker seems to be a Boolfuck derivative.
13:04:39 <gamemanj> However, the "interesting" part is that it's different due to the way conditionals are implemented.
13:06:10 <gamemanj> And the fact that you can't arbitrary flip bits. It seems that performing an arbitrary memory access is like playing a game of Lights Out or something.
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13:11:31 <gamemanj> There is one mostly unnotable person here, currently sending a self-depreciatory message about how unnotable they are.
13:16:12 <gamemanj> I've already found two "semi-useful" patterns in Caker. Repetitive "OWOWOO" on a 0-initialized tape acts as a trinary increment, while "O(OWOO)" clears it again. Not sure how much use that is, though.
13:16:42 <DatCodingGuy> was thinking of writing an interppreter for it
13:17:08 <gamemanj> Also note that I'm using O and W because unicode is annoying to type and copy about.
13:18:47 <gamemanj> It's a good thing the tape is unbounded in either direction (I think? I hope!), otherwise programming would be around about impossible.
13:19:10 <gamemanj> (You can only go left without setting any 1 bits.)
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15:26:31 <izabera> 14:21:47 up 3 days, 19:31, 2 users, load av....
15:26:44 <izabera> WHO THE FUCK IS HACKING MY Vohwait i have weechat
15:32:05 <FireFly> reminds me that I need to do some maintenance on my VPS..
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16:35:13 <izabera> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2016-08/msg00043.html
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18:11:02 <orin> what, now people are using ⇛ and such in song titles?
18:13:08 <FireFly> by people do you mean weird japanese music?
18:13:27 <FireFly> because for some reason they tend to like putting random unicode in song titles
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18:14:12 <orin> but titles like that cause problems with car stereos
18:15:14 <orin> the fonts don't support the characters, and it gets replaced with a ?
18:16:11 <orin> I'm lucky it even supports the hiragana and kanji
18:16:11 * FireFly is reminded of 3L - ・－・・ －－－ ・・・－ ・
18:16:48 <orin> but on the last road trip I discovered that the car doesn't have halfwidth katakana
18:17:03 <FireFly> I have seen therefore/because used in song titles too
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18:19:37 <orin> also, for some reason, it has european accented letters, but vietnamese ends up looking like ti??g vi?t.
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21:38:34 <zzo38> Do you like Brexit?
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21:43:16 <shachaf> I would expect that fizzie doesn't like Brexit.
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21:45:59 <zzo38> I don't live at Britain but even before they did it I thought it was a good idea, I told someone to tell the queen to tell the prime minister to cancel the EU. However I think probably they should have prepared better, it look like they have not prepared for it properly.
21:47:27 <shachaf> `addquote <zzo38> I told someone to tell the queen to tell the prime minister to cancel the EU.
21:47:39 <HackEgo> 1287) <zzo38> I told someone to tell the queen to tell the prime minister to cancel the EU.
21:47:47 <shachaf> Why did you think it was a good idea?
21:48:57 <FireFly> There seemed to be lots of anti-immigrant and racist behaviour after the referendum, which seems like a bad thing
21:50:03 <zzo38> Yes, I have read some people hate Brexit and some people think that everyone who likes Brexit must be racist, but that doesn't make sense. That is not the only point of Brexit at all
21:51:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49168&oldid=49018 * Nthern * (+2291) Added interpreters implemented in Game of Life
21:53:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:DatCodingGuy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49169 * Darkrifts * (+277) Created page with "As for [[Calcutape]], you do realize that there is a Stack<T> in System.Collections.Generic, right. Would have made your job easier, as would simply parsing the string before..."
21:53:45 <shachaf> Weren't you going to move to the US to escape anti-immigrant and racist behaviour?
21:54:40 <shachaf> I don't understand why people in the US are anti-immigrant, given that the country is made up entirely of people who are immigrants or nearly so.
21:57:56 <moon_> How do i run a file from a specific path, like ~/workspace/other/rbfile.rb, using the ruby command?
22:03:57 <moon_> Nvm on question, i now have a functional ruby sandbox on my bot :D
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22:12:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:S.I.L.O.S]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49171 * Darkrifts * (+190) Created page with "I would like to suggest 1) clearing up the syntax 2) adding some new lines and such in the description ~~~~"
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22:50:39 <orin> shachaf: IME, immigrants hate other immigrants
22:52:44 <orin> I might want to be an immigrant someday, so I don't hate immigrants.
22:53:40 <orin> shachaf: that would be a downgrade! I might as well move to belarus
22:55:38 <orin> If I'm moving somewhere it has to be less dangerous than Canada
22:59:05 <orin> You know, low crime rate, good healthcare system, no morons toting guns around...
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23:00:43 <shachaf> I wonder how much health care would cost me if I bought it by myself.
23:00:52 <orin> England would be nice though! Good weather too.
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23:22:43 <quintopia> define good without using the words pooch or scow
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23:27:21 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: invokes positive reinforcement in the human brain
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