00:16:13 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:00:17 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:15:25 -!- moon_ has joined. 01:17:20 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:22:30 -!- tromp has joined. 01:24:35 I just read about four-color glossies and marketroids 01:24:53 Do marketing departments ever actually promise that a product will do something in violation of the laws of physics? 01:26:03 it's more surprising when they don't. 01:26:26 hppavilion[1]: are you reading the http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/index.html per chance? 01:29:35 the scowgon file 01:30:56 how many sides to a scowgon? 01:34:29 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 01:35:12 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 01:35:54 `relcome codergeek42 01:35:55 ​codergeek42: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 01:36:40 Hello; and thanks for the colorful welcome, haha :) 01:38:20 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:50:29 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:50:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:51:28 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: "brb"). 01:59:13 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 01:59:13 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Changing host). 01:59:13 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 02:07:30 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Goodnight). 02:18:29 -!- Akaibu has joined. 02:20:23 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:20:57 -!- augur has joined. 02:30:16 -!- boily has quit (Quit: HYDROCHLORIC CHICKEN). 02:32:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:32:38 `? jargon file 02:32:39 jargon file? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:33:32 `le/rn scowgon file/The scowgon file requires Scala to open 02:33:34 Learned «scowgon file» 02:46:15 `revert 02:46:25 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 02:47:03 shachaf: ? 02:47:14 :( 02:47:18 `? scowgon file 02:47:19 scowgon file? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:49:32 -!- miketo has joined. 02:49:53 -!- miketo has left. 02:57:52 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:00:28 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 03:03:09 What? 03:24:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:25:01 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:50:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:31:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:49:01 .bfjoust ({<})%0 04:49:15 I forgot the commands :( 04:49:16 .help 04:49:18 !help 04:49:18 Lymia: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. 04:49:24 !zjoust test ({<})%0 04:49:25 Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 04:49:32 !zjoust test ({})%0 04:49:33 Lymia.test: points -34.00, score 2.61, rank 47/47 (--) 04:56:41 -!- Jafet has joined. 05:17:15 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:35:27 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 05:42:06 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 05:49:55 -!- MDead has joined. 05:52:57 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:52:59 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 06:07:27 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:07:52 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:27:07 @tell shachaf L <-- itym NC^0 hth 06:27:07 Consider it noted. 06:31:33 @tell boily how many sides to a scowgon? <-- bleen hth 06:31:33 Consider it noted. 06:32:48 @tell shachaf `revert <-- PSA: `revert doesn't work after file creation. 06:32:48 Consider it noted. 06:32:55 `? scowgon 06:32:56 scowgon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:33:10 `mk test//ho 06:33:12 test 06:33:14 `? scowgon 06:33:15 scowgon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 06:33:22 maybe it did, this time. 06:33:34 oh wait 06:33:39 `? scowgon file 06:33:39 The scowgon file requires Scala to open 06:33:48 `forget scowgon file 06:33:49 Forget what? 06:43:27 Scowgon? Does that form a scowhedron? 06:44:03 ideally. 07:11:24 oerjan: Then what did it do? 07:11:42 @messages- 07:11:42 oerjan said 44m 35s ago: L <-- itym NC^0 hth 07:11:42 oerjan said 38m 53s ago: `revert <-- PSA: `revert doesn't work after file creation. 07:11:56 Oh, I see. 07:13:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:34:45 Why is revert broken? 07:35:59 shachaf: probably a stupid bug not treating deleted files correctly? 07:36:18 so they're not removed from the hg repository. 07:37:10 although it will look in HackEgo like they were removed, until a later change synchronizes with the repository 07:38:13 i think fizzie or someone looked into it at one point. 07:38:37 but it's in the part of HackEgo that he doesn't feel authorized to change. 07:39:23 (especially since he doesn't have access to where Gregor keeps the repository for HackEgo's own code 07:39:28 ) 07:40:09 idle : 26 days 4 hours 10 mins 28 secs [signon: Sun Jul 24 04:29:24 2016] 07:40:28 one wonders why Gregor even logs on 07:41:01 Habit, obligation, forgetting to log off but just being way too busy? 07:41:34 the last one looks most likely to me 07:42:01 I hear "professor" is a busy job if you do it right. 07:43:08 you have to wear many hats. gregor should be good at that. 07:44:27 choosemyhat.com doesn't look too active. 07:44:58 Maybe we should choose some hats and surprise him. 07:47:43 i see someone did 07:47:46 * pikhq would like to applaud his choice of academic website... http://the.gregor.institute/ 07:54:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:03:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:10:03 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:15:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 08:34:58 -!- augur has joined. 08:39:07 -!- izabera has changed nick to bibibi. 08:39:12 -!- bibibi has changed nick to izabera. 08:59:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:00:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:18:30 I haven't been on IRC much lately 10:18:38 How is everyone? 11:19:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:35:45 -!- boily has joined. 11:40:15 `wisdom 11:40:16 just//Just is just a just adverb. 11:42:06 @massages-loud 11:42:06 oerjan said 5h 10m 33s ago: how many sides to a scowgon? <-- bleen hth 12:08:45 -!- Reece` has joined. 12:10:04 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 12:16:08 !zhill ({<})*-1 12:16:14 !zhill test (.{<})*-1 12:16:27 !zjoust test (.{<})*-1 12:16:29 Lymia.test: points -34.00, score 2.61, rank 47/47 (--) 12:16:39 !zjoust test ({<})*-1 12:16:39 Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (--) 12:19:09 Hellymia! 12:19:14 -!- boily has quit (Quit: LONG CHICKEN). 12:21:36 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:44:50 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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echo *dron* 16:12:04 cyberdrone drone drone sex 16:12:09 `? cyberdrone 16:12:10 cyberdrone is a drone flying in cyberspace. 16:12:24 `cwlprits cyberdrone 16:12:26 int-e ais523 mroman 16:18:42 -!- MDead has joined. 16:21:23 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:21:27 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 16:22:46 This crappy BFJoust parser is so slloooow 16:52:36 lel 16:52:49 what did you write it in? 17:26:37 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:27:07 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:30:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:35:59 Taneb: spammy hth 17:36:18 moons over my spammy? 17:37:28 fizzie: i think the wiki bridge is down hth 17:37:44 i think fizzie might be a bit down too. 17:39:23 * oerjan blocks the unsuccessful spammer 17:39:54 oerjan, it was rather spammy when I left on my travels 17:40:03 Taneb: ah? 17:40:30 when was that. the spammers came back a couple days ago, more clever than ever 17:40:53 The third of this month 17:40:58 ok 17:42:09 so now i'm waiting for ais523 to come back to see if he can outsmart them again, but i'm starting to get skeptical. 17:42:54 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 17:43:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:43:39 oh there was an ip spammer too. 17:44:12 (see Special:AbuseLog) 17:46:19 oerjan: are the spam edits classified and logged? 17:46:36 like do we have years of tagged spam edits? 17:46:40 oh they're still trying. 17:46:53 quintopia: it might seem so. 17:47:57 oerjan: do all wiki edits get tossed into one log file or database record somewhere? 17:49:07 quintopia: i think it's in there, i just checked that i can see the spammer's attempted edits 17:49:42 maybe there's some cleanup of old ones, i wouldn't know. 17:56:06 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:11:16 ok, there are blocked edits from 2013 with full diffs 18:11:36 so no automatic cleanup 18:11:50 I'm up, I'm up. 18:11:55 hizzie 18:12:48 I'll prop up the bridge once I'm at a table that I can fit a laptop on. 18:12:54 Lunchtime now. 18:13:14 i see that some of the spammers from the other day got caught by the automatic ip block too 18:13:33 i guess that's normal 18:19:27 -!- centrinia has joined. 18:22:23 https://imgur.com/gallery/6Til9 how cute 18:22:31 NOOO they destroyed it 18:22:40 whyyyyyyyyyy 18:38:10 <\oren\> izabera: I'm more interested in hwo they intend to sort the sand into colors again 18:38:22 merge sort 18:48:03 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:51:36 !bfjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/46248257d265f6b1e56554235cc2b9006da2eb6e.bfjoust 18:51:43 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/46248257d265f6b1e56554235cc2b9006da2eb6e.bfjoust 18:51:45 Lymia.test: points -36.57, score 2.37, rank 47/47 (--) 18:53:15 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/5dfa80f615343cb8955dd64b594d98cdfafd63d9.bfjoust 18:53:17 Lymia.test: points -36.86, score 2.28, rank 47/47 (--) 18:53:35 wtf 18:58:18 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/e331635fc748ebf9d201cfc674b190714fb03424.bfjoust 18:58:20 Lymia.test: points -34.02, score 3.16, rank 47/47 (--) 18:58:48 wt actual eff 19:00:26 pretty tough hill hth 19:00:51 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:01:30 !help 19:01:30 oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. 19:01:47 Lymia: you can get some statistics from the website, i believe. 19:02:07 No. 19:02:09 I'm looking at it 19:02:15 And the results are mind boggling wtf. 19:02:21 i mean, breakdowns 19:02:23 With the intent of this program in mind. 19:02:46 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/84827ed9ed0d4dc0cb7f8489e90df45ab5832318.bfjoust 19:02:48 Lymia.test: points -33.90, score 3.14, rank 47/47 (--) 19:04:38 ... aha 19:04:44 OK 19:04:50 So the program just doesn't work. 19:05:04 shocking 19:08:19 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/7fdf75b11c9ea906754a8787e8199fdb409a99f3.bfjoust 19:08:20 Lymia.test: points -33.90, score 3.14, rank 47/47 (--) 19:08:39 Now to figure out wht's wrong 19:13:41 -!- augur has joined. 19:17:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:27:59 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/e0847898b2186628e6949965d0edfaab5736b8a9.bfjoust 19:28:01 Lymia.test: points -35.10, score 2.96, rank 47/47 (--) 19:28:11 Oh right, that bridge. 19:28:58 It's up. 19:29:17 Yay! 19:29:21 It's achieving something now 19:29:30 Still buggy 19:30:57 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/d75ff3e94b52bb1fe05dea7766829c6a0f8a6025.bfjoust 19:30:59 Lymia.test: points -35.21, score 3.07, rank 47/47 (--) 19:31:38 you realize your points are going down hth 19:32:25 i guess it's been even lower 19:32:34 !zjoust calibrate < 19:32:34 oerjan.calibrate: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 19:32:56 The points are not what matters. 19:33:45 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/75a53eee87ad7d592fb32e331636cf253e87dd7d.bfjoust 19:33:47 Lymia.test: points -26.33, score 7.22, rank 47/47 19:35:00 blergh 19:35:04 Now to actually debug this thing. 19:35:11 <\oren\> i wonder why melon soda isnt sold in canada 19:35:13 Since it woks on a proof of concept level. 19:35:17 works* 19:35:33 The score breakdown should probably demonstrate what the intent of this is. :V 19:51:54 !zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/2a17d78342568d627b48ce9c4e8963bc406714d2.bfjoust 19:51:56 Lymia.test: points -34.12, score 3.35, rank 47/47 (--) 19:59:42 -!- augur has joined. 20:10:24 !zjoust test < 20:10:24 Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (--) 20:10:32 !zjoust hotel_bombing https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/d7e1498f11a08cd81bb166dc5d89a6e0c240d1a5.bfjoust 20:10:34 Lymia.hotel_bombing: points -34.14, score 3.08, rank 47/47 20:11:05 bleh 20:11:09 Still glitches 20:20:31 -!- moon_ has joined. 20:31:17 !zjoust hotel_bombing < 20:31:18 Lymia.hotel_bombing: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (--) 20:32:27 !zjoust determinism https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/b8c4f982e8134dde75c04d585514fcb9a34fcd31.bfjoust 20:32:29 Lymia.determinism: points -23.05, score 9.63, rank 47/47 20:33:11 melon soda sounds awesome 20:33:57 i need this 20:35:19 oh, they don't sell it in europe either 20:46:03 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:48:38 <\oren\> myname: It is amazing, in net cafes they have it on the self serve machines; but not sold anywhere in Canada, afaict. 20:49:42 <\oren\> You can also get a vanilla ice cream float with melon soda at certain places. 20:50:26 i hate you right now 20:50:37 unless you send my some, in this case you are a hero 20:50:53 <\oren\> myname: Well I can't get any right now; I had it when I went to Tokyo 20:51:16 <\oren\> I'm trying toi figure out if I can get it delivered. 20:51:32 napajapan sells it for 4 bucks a buttle 20:51:42 *o 20:51:48 <\oren\> but srsly melon ice cream float is like ADHD in a cup 20:52:08 also, i love read bean ice 20:52:16 that stuff is so damn delicious 20:52:22 red 20:52:28 the fuck is wrong with me today 20:56:50 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:59:42 <\oren\> Jesus christ god what 20:59:46 <\oren\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_availability_of_Fanta#Japan 21:00:10 <\oren\> that's gotta be like 50 flavors of fanta 21:01:32 i wonder what la france tastes like 21:02:14 fruity melon 21:02:18 kiwi <3 21:04:53 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bodlypoqdorthys * New user account 21:05:16 i smell spam 21:05:33 <\oren\> mmm... spam. 21:06:20 <\oren\> I like spam and bacon sandwiches 21:07:36 <\oren\> lets see if they can get past the new filters 21:09:45 <\oren\> seems not 21:10:25 <\oren\> unless they're going to wait 24 hours and then start spamming 21:11:43 [wiki] [[Q.u.i.c.kb.o.ok.s. .su.p.po.r.t .p.h.o.n.e .n.u.m.b.er.1.8.8.8.5.1.3.5.9.7.8. Qui.ck.b.o.ok.s. .he.l.p. d.es..k .p.ho.n.e. .n.u.mb.e.r]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49607 * Bodlypoqdorthys * (+9894) Created page with "POINT OF SALE~SupPort◄1-888-513-5978► QuickBooks point of sale support phone number ◄QuickBooks point of sale customer care Phone 21:12:02 how? 21:12:08 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:12:29 <\oren\> paging fizzie, 21:18:47 [wiki] [[Q.u.ic.k.bo.o.ks. p.r.e.mi.e.r. t.e.ch. .s.u.pp.o.r.t. .ph.o.n.e. .nu.m.b.erΏΏ1.8.8.8.5.1.3.5.9.7.8ΏΏ Qu.ic.k.bo.oks .p.r.em.i.er. t.e.ch. su.pp.o.rt .nu.mb.e.r]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49608 * Bodlypoqdorthys * (+9894) Created page with "POINT OF SALE~SupPort◄1-888-513-5978► QuickBooks point of sale support phone number ◄QuickBooks poin 21:19:46 [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Oerjan * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/8]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/8/diff/prev/45]]) 21:19:54 let's see how this works. 21:25:31 alas, this is a filter that simply forbids recent (< 24 hours) users, period. 21:25:51 so it's not very sustainable. 21:26:50 hm they don't seem to have tried again yet 21:27:32 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Q.u.ic.k.bo.o.ks. p.r.e.mi.e.r. t.e.ch. .s.u.pp.o.r.t. .ph.o.n.e. .nu.m.b.erΏΏ1.8.8.8.5.1.3.5.9.7.8ΏΏ Qu.ic.k.bo.oks .p.r.em.i.er. t.e.ch. su.pp.o.rt .nu.mb.e.r]]": Spam: content was: "POINT OF SALE~SupPort◄1-888-513-5978► QuickBooks point of sale support phone number ◄QuickBooks point of sale cust 21:27:53 [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:Bodlypoqdorthys]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites 21:28:18 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Q.u.i.c.kb.o.ok.s. .su.p.po.r.t .p.h.o.n.e .n.u.m.b.er.1.8.8.8.5.1.3.5.9.7.8. Qui.ck.b.o.ok.s. .he.l.p. d.es..k .p.ho.n.e. .n.u.mb.e.r]]": Spam: content was: "POINT OF SALE~SupPort◄1-888-513-5978► QuickBooks point of sale support phone number ◄QuickBooks point of sale customer care Phone Number►P..." 21:30:07 <\oren\> Hmm maybe I can find out who their phone provider is and report them 21:31:35 btw the spammer tried 7 other edits that _were_ caught by the other filter. 21:32:16 bug question, should i disable the nuclear option again... i think not since i was half planning to go to bed soon. 21:32:22 *big question 21:38:56 <\oren\> their number is being served by Level 3 Communications. I am filing variius complaints 21:39:24 <\oren\> hopefully I will get in touch with the downstream provider and identify the scammer 21:40:19 <\oren\> When I called him he attempted to get my username and password, probably to install ransomware 21:40:42 hah 21:41:28 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:43:41 username for what 21:43:53 <\oren\> myname: my PC 21:44:33 lol 21:44:49 <\oren\> and then he wanted me to enable windows' remote desktop stuff 21:44:59 what was the reason to dosable the nuclear option? 21:45:08 hahah 21:45:18 "i'm sorry, i run haiku" 21:46:02 <\oren\> No more like "sorry dude, that's the password to level 3 of Metroid" 21:46:19 if you take 4 random points on a sphere, what's the avg volume of the tetrahedron? 21:47:00 myname: to allow normal people to register again? 21:47:31 oerjan: i thought the nuclear option was "you can register, but you cannot edit for 24 hours" 21:47:53 no, although maybe i should do that instead. 21:48:25 that way you can register, we can stop spam and serious accounts just do have to wait 21:49:31 i have a feeling the group throttling options for the filter aren't enabled, or else i could make a filter that limits the number of people registering and one that limits what each can edit... 21:49:47 *for the filter system 21:49:58 (the option looked greyed out) 21:51:59 i suppose fizzie might have some configuration options as well. 21:54:36 it would seem that a filter which autoblocks users who creates pages with titles that contain the string "Quickbooks" once all non-alphabetics are removed would be in order? 21:55:19 hmph 21:56:48 that would work for this specific spam 21:56:54 but not for spam in general 21:56:56 yes 21:57:23 but it would give us some more insight into the sorts of things the spammers will try 21:59:07 oh the new filter caught someone. 22:01:33 -!- Reece` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:02:22 it was not a quickbooks spam, and i think only that filter stopped it. 22:02:59 -!- augur has joined. 22:04:18 european spam, afaict 22:04:26 which filter? 22:04:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:04:59 Whoo! 22:05:03 no. 8 which disables everything by accounts < 24 hours 22:05:20 the DoJ announced it will no longer be contracting with private prisons! 22:06:52 it almost got caught by filter 3, except that only applies to userpages 22:11:59 @tell fizzie Spammers started again, I've used my new filter 8 to shut off new users entirely because I'm about to go to bed. (That also accidentally caught a non-quickbook spam by an IP.) 22:11:59 Consider it noted. 22:12:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 22:14:14 <\oren\> izabera: well, WLoG, we can consider the first point to be the north pole 22:14:28 ok 22:15:38 i tried generating a bunch of these and the smallest height ends up being surprisingly small 22:15:40 hppavilion[1]: exciting 22:15:55 or maybe not so surprisingly, but it did surprise me 22:16:03 most of them are basically 2d 22:17:03 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:17:35 <\oren\> iirc, to pick random points on a sphere, you can use the lambert projection 22:18:27 * izabera just used meridians and parallels.. 22:18:53 <\oren\> izabera: that won't give you an equl number of points in each area 22:19:05 yeah ok 22:19:10 <\oren\> it will have a lot more points near the poles 22:20:24 <\oren\> instead, pick a random longitude, and then pick a random number y in (-1,1), and take the arcsine of y 22:20:28 -!- jaboja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:20:51 ok 22:20:51 <\oren\> that will give you equally distributed points 22:24:49 <\oren\> hmm, alos WLoG, we may assume the second point to have a longitude of 0 22:25:44 <\oren\> so we're only really looking at a problem with 5 degrees of freedom 22:28:03 <\oren\> in fact, WLoG, assume the third point has a positive longitude, restricting the problem by chirality 22:31:32 -!- moon_ has joined. 22:31:47 <\oren\> mhelloon 22:32:54 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:33:03 <\oren\> so you're picking point 2 from a line, and point 3 from a hemisphere, and only point 4 is picked from a full sphere 22:35:03 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:35:17 copumpkin: whoapumpkin 22:35:30 I have a new computer and I was considering installing NixOS on it. 22:35:39 But then I decided that it would be a big headache so I didn't do it. 22:43:01 copumpkin has scrapped :'( 22:43:03 abbradar: ^oh hi 22:43:05 what's up 22:43:12 oh you should've done it 22:43:16 your loss! 22:43:35 I could still do it, I guess. 22:44:02 Someone who uses NixOS said that today they would prefer installing Debian and setting up Nix for their local user instead. 22:44:53 copumpkin: Also that book is out of preorder. 22:45:17 Even though it's just a new edition of a book which has been out for years? 22:45:33 If you tell me your address I'll order you a copy. 22:46:15 Do you think I should scrap Ubuntu and install NixOS? 22:47:45 I'm about to go overseas for a couple of weeks, but will order it when I Get home (otherwise it'll just be sitting on my porch for a week and I'd rather nobody steal it) 22:47:47 and yes 22:47:47 well 22:47:57 it's the haskell os linux distros 22:48:01 s/os/of/ 22:48:07 in the good ways and bad ways 22:48:50 whoa whoa whoa, Italy? 22:49:16 copumpkin: There are lots of things where the NixOS approach is obviously better than the Debian approach. 22:49:26 yup :) 22:49:39 But I don't look forward to, say, having to do a lot of work to set up my volume buttons. 22:49:48 Or suspend when I close the laptop lid. Or wifi. 22:49:54 All sorts of things like that. 22:49:56 oh yeah 22:50:01 I've only used it on headless servers 22:50:08 although I know a few people who run it on laptops 22:50:22 A server would be a different situation. 22:50:35 Also being able to run binaries downloaded from the Internet would be nice. 22:50:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:50:52 :P 22:51:03 You use Mac OS for your desktop OS, if I remember correctly. 22:51:23 Now I'm not sure what you were yupping. 22:52:04 yeah I do 22:52:14 I still use Nix/NixOS wherever I get the chance 22:55:08 I wish more random Linux binaries on the Internet would actually ship static linked. 22:56:53 Well, with NixOS you don't even have /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 or whatever it is. 22:57:38 Static linking is TG 22:58:02 TG? 22:58:16 too good 22:59:09 Though NixOS's variant of dynamic linking where things are dynamically linked to a particular file hash (I think?) has many of the same advantages. 22:59:35 copumpkin: It's kind of scow how every programming language comes with its own build system/package manager. If you ask me. 22:59:45 There's hardly ever a justification for it. 22:59:55 I agree 23:00:05 nix should take over 23:00:10 except windows isn't very well supported 23:00:22 Yes, they should just use Nix or something. 23:00:25 Is Nix a good build system? 23:00:29 shachaf: Yeah; the relevant advantage of static linking *here* is it lets you just throw up binaries on a website and it'll work in any imaginable distro. 23:00:39 it's mostly okay, although not many people use it for actual building 23:00:46 Maybe they should just use Bazel. 23:00:50 but I'd at least skip doing your own package resolution 23:01:06 Bazel is pretty good in the environment that it lives in. 23:01:16 I'm not sure how well it would work in other contexts. 23:01:51 At least it's fairly declarative. 23:03:52 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:09:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:22:50 -!- moon_ has joined. 23:43:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:49:43 -!- Zarutian has joined.