< 1471737638 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, I arrived a while ago but we had some errands before checkin at the hotel) < 1471737668 0 :\oren\_!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1471737931 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How uh confusing < 1471737935 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone there < 1471737992 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Kelowna smaller or larger than Hexham? < 1471738021 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kelowna has a very small runway, which we barely stopped before the end of < 1471738084 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Kelowna is about 10× as big as Hexham < 1471738091 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's not that much of a coincidence < 1471738097 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively speaking < 1471738325 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. < 1471738356 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: vacation? conference? < 1471738533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1471738533 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 202250Z AUTO 23015KT 9999 BKN016 16/13 Q1009 TEMPO -SHRA BKN014 < 1471739510 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1471739510 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 202320Z AUTO 10004KT 9999 BKN061/// BKN088/// OVC120/// 16/14 Q1014 < 1471739515 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashes, eh < 1471739794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew someone there. < 1471739846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: my uncle's wedding < 1471741519 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471741535 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471741600 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1471741921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised nobody ever invented a Lunacentric model of the universe < 1471741965 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because you can actually see with your bare eyes that this is wrong < 1471742008 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 27 < 1471742010 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1471742032 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt+j is way better < 1471742055 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my irssi. < 1471742064 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define it < 1471742082 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily define itnup to 36 < 1471742177 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, and stop winning? < 1471742191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how I would define it up to 36. < 1471742222 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: How? I can't think of a way < 1471742226 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 to 0 and a to z (the later in order of appearance on your keyboard layout" < 1471742245 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time.i checked, 10+26 was 36 < 1471742310 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Alt-a already means "jump to window with activity". < 1471742326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-b and alt-f mean jump backward and forward by a word < 1471742328 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that's useful < 1471742337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-a is the most useful of all the keys. < 1471742355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-d means delete a word. < 1471742359 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? i see which window has activities and jump to it directly < 1471742363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could rebind a few others to go past 19, though. < 1471742713 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1471742743 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471743000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49622&oldid=49620 5* 03DatCodingGuy 5* (+389) 10/* Introductions */ < 1471744522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think it's working! < 1471744528 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a legitimate user, almost certainly) < 1471744573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, they somehow found it without the message telling them to < 1471744595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not their first edit < 1471744601 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they saw it in recent changes and decided to join the party < 1471745728 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe instead of making mechanisms so spammers can't spam, we should make an example out of people who do < 1471745743 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up medieval torture methods
< 1471745967 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1471745984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go through MLP:FiM and extract every usage of teleportation in the series < 1471746369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was teleportaton a medieval torture method? < 1471747952 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1471749171 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49623&oldid=49592 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* (+0) 10 < 1471749645 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471750092 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1471750415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those were two unrelated thoughts separated by nearly 5 minutes of intermittent time < 1471750447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But since you have to ask, you can teleport sharp objects into the liver < 1471752327 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kflabdsqdfxslotz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1471752433 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-imqzrkgopjgjofyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1471752774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1471753087 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should try FTL
< 1471753094 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is vaguely aware that ais523 likes it
< 1471753150 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUt seeing the video just makes me want to play Space Station 13 < 1471753203 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what evidence is there that the moon is the center of everything? < 1471753220 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classically, all heavy things tend to move towards the earth, so presumably the earth is the center of everything. < 1471753224 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What evidence is there that the earth is? < 1471753269 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heavy-things-move-towards-earth thing. < 1471753288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The lunacentric model wouldn't exist because someone just thought of it; it would either be cultural or as a parodical response to either geocentrists or heliocentrists < 1471753298 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1471753319 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something made around when heliocentrism was proposed, as a "yeah, that's just as absurd as this other thing" < 1471753436 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyow. < 1471753457 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read this post on the MIRI blog. < 1471753481 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It posits an interesting type of machine: the "reflective oracle". < 1471753494 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme talk about how the reflective oracle works. < 1471753572 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "reflective oracle machine", or ROM, is a Turing machine that is capable of performing a special operation, the reflective oracle operation. < 1471753633 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reflective oracle operation attempts to answer this question: "Would a reflective oracle machine halt if given such-and-such input?" < 1471753660 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, reflective oracle machines are probabilistic, so the reflective oracle operation can't give the correct answer all of the time. < 1471753665 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here's what it does do. < 1471753698 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's MORE than a 50% chance that a ROM would halt given the input, it says "yes". < 1471753711 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's LESS than a 50% chance that a ROM would halt given the input, it says "no". < 1471753730 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finally, if there's EXACTLY a 50% chance that a ROM would halt given the input, then the result is unspecified. < 1471753798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abjad" is a stupid word < 1471753806 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could always be yes, it could always be no, or it could be random. < 1471753813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it should be called an "lphbt" < 1471754398 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna write up an Esolang page describing a language that takes advantage of this. < 1471754422 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the blog post, by the way. https://intelligence.org/2016/06/30/grain-of-truth/ < 1471754505 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name I'm going to give it is the most obvious abbreviation of the phrase "Brainfuck Reflective Oracle Machine". < 1471754983 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471755340 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1471755873 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471756637 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I add the proper text into a contributing agreement to ensure that any patents will be freely usable and will be usable with GPL-compatible terms, even though the contribution is in the public domain? < 1471756778 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, bah, unlike the "true/false/no answer" halting oracle, there's no trivial implementation I think < 1471756791 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any patents on what? < 1471756837 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patents on the contributed code. < 1471756870 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the code that *you* contribute? You don't need to say anything; other people can't patent stuff that you invented. < 1471756903 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The agreement is for if anyone contribute something, not just myself < 1471756984 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone contributes something to what? A project that you control, or a project someone else controls? < 1471756992 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A project that I control. < 1471757108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been asked to make a contribution agreement, and part of the details about how to do so are specified (the part about copyright), but part about patent is also needed. My intention is that the patent is freely license for use with free-software/open-source without needing any kind of notifications or payments or whatever, and can be used freely by private use, and is compatible with the terms of GPL3. < 1471757193 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that each contributor must release their contribution into the public domain AND release it under the GPL3. < 1471757924 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/179185 - someone post this to the wiki thanks. < 1471757931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seem a bit strange to me isn't it? < 1471757951 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of. < 1471757980 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GPL3 is primarily a copyright license, and of course the copyright provisions of the license are redundant with being in the public domain. < 1471757985 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a patent license too. < 1471758000 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I feel like this is probably your easiest, simplest, and most effective option. < 1471758003 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a patent license < 1471758015 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a coppyright license that, as a condition of copying, requires a patent license < 1471758058 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: "Each contributor grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free patent license ..." < 1471758106 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/935e6a28b8c29d6ea4ffb940ec7dc9a7a387ae59.bfjoust < 1471758111 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/935e6a28b8c29d6ea4ffb940ec7dc9a7a387ae59.bfjoust < 1471758115 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points 41.67, score 302.42, rank 1/47 (+46) < 1471758119 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems pretty clear that if I say "I'm releasing such-and-such under the GPL3", that means I'm granting a patent license. < 1471758142 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying. < 1471758158 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: annoying to be winning? < 1471758172 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not working as intended. :( < 1471758250 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1471758255 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test < < 1471758256 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471758263 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Yes, I know that, and that is how I am confuse to try to figure out how it is to do! < 1471758303 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are you trying to beat everything on the hill at every length and polarity < 1471758307 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1471758317 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took 2 days to compute, and it didn't even work. < 1471758318 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1471758346 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll be appreciative if you do. i can strike it off my long-term to-do list < 1471758357 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/935e6a28b8c29d6ea4ffb940ec7dc9a7a387ae59.bfjoust < 1471758361 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points 41.67, score 302.42, rank 1/47 (+46) < 1471758369 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so to start with, you are Canadian, there is no concept of "public domain" < 1471758389 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except by expiration of copyright) < 1471758406 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually fall back to CC0 anyways, because now I have put that in as someone's suggestion. < 1471758422 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wish to ensure that no one can add patent encumberance to your code, you need to use copyleft < 1471758444 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test < < 1471758445 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471758448 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 KB though < 1471758449 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad < 1471758459 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise your license could be changed when a third party distributes it < 1471758512 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only wish to ensure that nobody contributes patent encumbered code to the main repository for my program. < 1471758520 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone makes their own copy, they can do what they want with it. < 1471758552 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: although i would appreciate it more if you could please avoid the use of any brackets? and also call the result "look_ma_no_brackets"? < 1471758614 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... I'm not 100% sure that's possible. < 1471758615 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1471758638 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultimate goal is to have a big list of bots *not* on the hill. < 1471758661 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distinguish as many of them as possible to go into a "general purpose" algorithm so it still beats bots that aren't known. < 1471758662 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...there comes a certain number of bots where it isn't possible < 1471758738 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/6sXxNmi5 < 1471758739 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1471758768 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone make the software proprietary then I don't care, but I do intend to stop them from suing anyone (under patent law) that does not make the software proprietary. And that they will agree to license the patents in a way compatible with GPL3, too. < 1471758792 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easiest to just use GPLv3 then < 1471758802 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for debugging. < 1471758814 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have evaluation errors < 1471758896 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i wonder why preparation is beating it so badly! < 1471758915 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably my VM has a bug and doesn't evaluate it correctly < 1471758923 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust < 1471758923 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "!zjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1471758940 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a misdetection. it didn't identify the flag at all < 1471758942 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippo_ballerina is simpler, and also seems to be a sore case < 1471759008 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, problem is < 1471759020 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be because it's evaluating preperation wrong, or because I have some weird issue. < 1471759032 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *should* be impossible for it to generate code that behaves differently from its "botting" < 1471759033 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1471759047 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the VM has a bug, it will simulate the opponent wrong. < 1471759057 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1471759061 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your vm is slow? < 1471759091 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust anti-hippo https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/29aa8b4899ac8370e8903634b8f78e7db9b91c84.bfjoust < 1471759093 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not optimized < 1471759097 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust anti-hippo https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/29aa8b4899ac8370e8903634b8f78e7db9b91c84.bfjoust < 1471759099 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.anti-hippo: points -33.64, score 3.67, rank 47/47 < 1471759146 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I'm so tempted to take your "test" and resubmit it myself. < 1471759168 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanie < 1471759176 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to submit a bigger better version ;P < 1471759187 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be kind of dishonest-slash-jerkish of me, though. < 1471759194 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I wrote for my contribution agreement is it good? http://sprunge.us/DHTW (the LICENSE file is a copy of the CC0 legal code) < 1471759204 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1471759238 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not actually sure if my VM is slow, actually. < 1471759244 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, the second paragraph is unclear. < 1471759251 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if some programs just have nasty constructs that mess with it. < 1471759259 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh fuck < 1471759264 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not using linked lists for the bytecode. < 1471759307 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppps < 1471759315 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot Scala's default immutable list isn't for indexing < 1471759331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I am not so good at writing it. Do you know how to write what I meant more clearly? < 1471759374 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as for the first paragraph: I would say "you place" and "you grant the ability" instead of "you agree to place" and "you agree to grant the ability". < 1471759377 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, fixed that < 1471759398 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read once that it was found that "agreeing to release" something under a license is not the same as *actually* releasing it. < 1471759401 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better now < 1471759406 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust nyuroki >>->>--->++++>>(+)*6>(-)*7>[(<)*8[(>)*8(+)*128.+.](>)*12[>>>>(+)*128.+.]<[>>>>(+)*128.+.]>>>(+)*128.+.]>[(<)*9[(>)*9(+)*128.+.](>)*17(+)*128.+.]>[(<)*8[(>)*8(+)*128.+.](>)*16(+)*128.+.]>[(<)*9[(>)*9(+)*128.+.](>)*17(+)*128.+.]>[(<)*7[(>)*7(+)*36(<)*10[(>)*10(+)*48(<)*12[(>)*12(+)*44.+.]]](>)*15(+)*128.+.]>[<<<<[>>>>(+)*128.+.](>)*12(+)*128.+.]>>>[<<[(>)*8(+)*128.+.]>[(>)*8(+)*128.+.](>)*9(+)*128.+.]>>[<[(>)*8(+)*128.+.](>)*9( < 1471759406 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: error: parse error: starting ( without a matching ) < 1471759406 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :+)*128.+.]>[(>)*8(+)*128.+.](>)*9(+)*128.+. < 1471759408 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1471759419 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust nyuroki_killer https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/e5852992609072879371c67ff209e8d3684feabb.bfjoust < 1471759422 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.nyuroki_killer: points -31.95, score 4.51, rank 47/47 < 1471759450 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I have an evaluation bug < 1471759513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK I fixed the first paragraph. < 1471759525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix the second paragraph? < 1471759536 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as for the second paragraph, I don't see why you don't just say "If you have any patents in your contributions, you also release your contributions under the GPL3." < 1471759538 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i think the output may not be what you intended? because if you watch vs preparation length 30 kettle you see it eventually stops going back to its own flag and instead goes somewhere a few cells out? or is that intentional? < 1471759549 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fixed bug < 1471759569 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, huh. < 1471759573 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1471759586 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it could bug like that, unless somehow it failed to track it's own data pointer < 1471759671 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1471759677 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it's probably actually an detection failure. < 1471759685 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using [] for if/else < 1471759693 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it probably looped back, which isn't supposed to happen. < 1471759698 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I intend this patent license is usable even if the code remains public-domain/CC0 or they make derivative works that may be license by BSD or MIT license or Apache license and not only limited to GPL3, but so that the patent license does not prohibit anything that is prohibited by GPL3. < 1471759767 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With dual licensing, the permissions add together. < 1471759773 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they want to license the patent in such a way that it cannot be used in proprietary software, that is OK and should not be impacted by this agreement. (I actually think that patent law should be abolished entirely, but such agreements obviously don't change the law.) < 1471759792 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your contributors release everything under both CC0 and GPL3, then people will be allowed to use it as if it were only released under CC0. < 1471759884 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust nyuroki_killer < < 1471759884 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.nyuroki_killer: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471759885 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yeah i agree. it happened right after this: (27>)27(8+)8(27<)27(27>)27+++++..] < 1471759887 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/7bf4c61c499b562017d03669b7c12e853fb538e4.bfjoust < 1471759891 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points 44.05, score 498.13, rank 1/47 < 1471759904 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: so you should probably get rid of any brackets ;) < 1471759926 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais clearly likes some program contruct that screws with my code. < 1471759932 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test < < 1471759933 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471759937 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also) < 1471759945 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It runs in 60 seconds now, opps) < 1471759960 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Seq->IndexedSeq was my problem) < 1471759977 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: said "program construct" is locks i warrant < 1471760005 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *shouldn't* actually get locked. < 1471760014 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be failing at detecting the program at all. < 1471760018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. triplocks on multiple cells simultaneously < 1471760023 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means something wrong with the VM < 1471760377 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1471760488 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/TsBLIhA.gifv < 1471760949 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD that last one < 1471760983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes I know that, but I would insist that any patent license is also usable according to the specifications of GPL3 even if they are using it only under CC0 or any other GPL-compatible license. < 1471761034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will what you suggested work for this case? < 1471761323 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a good question. < 1471761356 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your contributors dual-license under CC0 and GPL3, then people will certainly be able to "use the patent license according to the specifications of GPL3". < 1471761377 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they won't be able to use the patent license in violation of the GPL3. < 1471761390 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK < 1471761416 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the patent license can be used even if the software is not licensed under GPL3. < 1471761563 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean "can be used"? < 1471761578 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you wish to require people who modify your software to license any related patents? < 1471761588 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, a dual-license will not achieve that objective < 1471761600 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I intend they can use it for free even if they do not license it < 1471761612 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think we are talking about the same thing < 1471761628 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's suppose I am someone who modifies your software. < 1471761637 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who owns the patent you are referring to? Me or you < 1471761660 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither me nor you; it is someone who contributed code to my project. < 1471761726 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. So you want people who contribute to your project to issue a patent license, but if they distribute a modified version themselves they do not have to? < 1471761746 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am confused too. < 1471761794 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, let's say you release version 1.0 of your program. < 1471761794 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should just mention that they have to agree that everyone has a perpetual non-revocable royalty-free patent license to use the relevant patents and that they are not allowed to sue anyone over these patents. < 1471761800 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be simpler, I think. < 1471761820 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If someone objects, they could file a ticket and then perhaps it could be changed.) < 1471761822 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett submits a patch which is included in v1.1 < 1471761830 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use v1.1 < 1471761837 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to make it so that tswett can't sue me? < 1471761889 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh, lemme see if I can clarify here... < 1471761889 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I intend that tswett can't sue you, even if you use the same patented stuff in other free-software/open-source code (such as that based on v1.0 instead of v1.1, for example). < 1471761914 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but now if tswett makes a fork < 1471761917 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... I don't really know what you're asking. < 1471761927 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use the fork in a way he doesn't like < 1471761944 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to stop him from suing me then? or only when it's your "official" version? < 1471761963 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend such fork still you have the license for any patents used in that one that are also used in the official version. < 1471761981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore still they cannot sue you < 1471762015 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if the patents are not included in the official version? < 1471762068 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is irrelevant as it does not seem to be in the scope of contribution agreement. < 1471762108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would want to still not make them to sue you, but I cannot alter the laws and that is outside of the scope of the agreement anyways, so it doesn't seem right to put it in.) < 1471762194 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, yeah, you want CC0 licensing with a contribution agreement that states that you offer a patent license < 1471762208 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that the contributor offers a patent license < 1471762233 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably add a note to the license indicating that all contributors have agreed to license their patents as described < 1471762342 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I altered the license then it would not be the CC0 license. < 1471762402 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not altering the copyright license < 1471762421 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but adding a patent license < 1471762429 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately < 1471762440 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawing the user's attention to an extant patent license < 1471762453 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1471762737 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway, yeah. < 1471762758 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I'm using an actual array instead of a linked list (the nasty part about collections libraries. :() < 1471762763 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs in 1 minute instead of 2 days. :D < 1471763259 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this better now? http://sprunge.us/WKZW < 1471763337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trademark agreement also might be needed which specifies that if your contribution includes anything that is trademarked, that such trademarks can be used for compatibility purposes. Is this already implied by trademark law anyways though? I would think it is but I am unsure. < 1471763340 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bc11:e1c7:d01a:384f JOIN :#esoteric < 1471763384 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you probably don't have to worry about trademark. < 1471763423 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the patent license better now? < 1471763432 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair use for trademark is very broad. "Coca-Cola" is a trademark, but I can still say it in IRC, write a book about Coca-Cola, make a YouTube video where I sing a song about Coca-Cola... < 1471763485 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I'm prohibited from doing is make people think I'm providing a Coca-Cola product or service, or otherwise representing the Coca-Cola brand in any way. < 1471763546 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even say "Coca-Cola" in an advertisement for a competing soft drink, as long as the ad makes it clear that the soft drink is not a Coca-Cola product. < 1471763602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that ReactOS has "Microsoft" in some parts of the registry for compatibility purposes, and a GameBoy cartridge can include the Nintendo logo for compatibility with GameBoy; these are what I meant by, ensure it can be used for compatibility purposes. < 1471763626 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's definitely allowed under fair use. < 1471763647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then I do not need to add a trademark license to this agreement. < 1471763700 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, is the patent license better now? < 1471763757 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I like it. I'm no lawyer, of course. There's just one change I suggest. < 1471763771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what change do you suggest? < 1471763772 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change "multiple tiers" to "an unlimited number of tiers". < 1471763902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took everything from "perpetual" to "otherwise transfer" (inclusive) from another contribution agreement (and it seems similar to many things I have seen before too), although I will change that, as it doesn't seem a problem to change that. < 1471763975 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All words surrounding that part are my own) < 1471764347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have fixed it http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/info/684ffedc2a64e609 http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/info/e71ea80bbdcb339b < 1471769935 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1471770272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1471772846 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d03:c800:8554:a76e:9174:62c5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471773499 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1471773647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes DatCodingGuy introduced himself :P
< 1471773737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might end up with a tradition here < 1471773917 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I am, what else do you need to know? ~~~~ ) < 1471773986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that is sufficient < 1471774027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note the filter caught another type of spammer. < 1471774112 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long this will hold. < 1471774120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also seems to have caught a legitimate user who happened not to be logged in < 1471774123 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we being targeted? It's hardly a high traffic wiki < 1471774137 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i assume they're targeting everyone < 1471774145 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. < 1471774186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new system is still based on the assumption that, other than captcha solvers, we're not _specifically_ targeted. < 1471774235 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps they target wikis with between 500 and 5000 articles; wikis large enough to carry weight in a search engine but so small that they may be unmaintained. < 1471774250 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1471774262 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I pulled those numbers out of a hat) < 1471774287 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just making sure that 1071 is included in the range) < 1471774292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers the mess that was the complexity Zoo wiki last he checked.
< 1471774306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it looks fine... but dont try the Random page button. < 1471774342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had not cleaned up spam created pages at _all_ - but made sure nothing important linked to them. < 1471774368 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did we reach the 1k mark anyway? < 1471774378 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, never mind < 1471774388 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1757 is the number I should be looking at. < 1471774445 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bc11:e1c7:d01a:384f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1471774484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 5,742 registered users, but most of them are spambots." < 1471774516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one claim we don't have self-irony. < 1471774531 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it says 5738 here. oh perhaps because I'm not logged in and seeing a cached version < 1471774567 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, logging in makes a difference < 1471774623 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the complexity zoo random button seems to give proper pages now. although i had to press it twice for some reason. < 1471774674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a bit skewed, i keep getting the main page. < 1471774852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happens if you weight the pages by number of visits... < 1471774958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1471775298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49624&oldid=49622 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+9) 10Add "external" because everyone's been adding internal ones anyway < 1471775875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Abusefilter-introduce-yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49625&oldid=49617 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+102) 10Add something for old users forgetting to log in < 1471775943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Abusefilter-introduce-yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49626&oldid=49625 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10apparently that's not allowed < 1471777550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49627&oldid=49612 5* 03Primo 5* (+171) 10/* Print value of cell x as number for ANY sized cell (ie 8bit, 16bit, etc) */ < 1471781477 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1471781912 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6caf:c8c0:6e9e:fad JOIN :#esoteric < 1471782180 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6caf:c8c0:6e9e:fad QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1471784739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1471785880 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1471786005 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1471787488 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471787654 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1471790133 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1471790924 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: BORROWED CHICKEN < 1471793527 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to think of a faster algorithm for greater-than comparison of von-neuman-index encoded natural numbers (that might not be the correct term, it was used in setbang posts but I was unable to find same description under that name elsewhere) < 1471793596 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, von-neuman-index encoding works by representing a number as the set of two's exponents that added up make the number < 1471793617 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is applied recursively < 1471793660 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I(∅) = 0 I({a, b, c, …}) = 2^I(a) + 2^I(b) + 2^I(c) + … < 1471793741 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, to determine if a > b, I first remove the intersection of the two sets from both (as this is equivalent to substraction, will not change the result of a > b) < 1471793775 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, if a is ∅, it's false, and if a is not ∅ but b is ∅, it's true < 1471793864 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :if both a and b are not ∅, I iterate through elements in a, looking for element e_a in a such that for any element e_b in b, e_a > e_b < 1471793886 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I find such an element, a is greater than b < 1471794024 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically removing bits both a and b have, and then seeing which one has higher highest-order-bit. as bits shared by both are removed, one of them is bound to have a higher one. and since 2^(n+1) > sum_{i=0}^n 2^n, that one is larger < 1471794086 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the algo is pretty bad runtimewise, recursively calling itself N(a) * N(b) times in the worst case < 1471794267 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd try unifying stuff, but that probably won't do much to the runtime < 1471794286 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :unifying? < 1471794312 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do younintersect < 1471794339 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I({a,b}) = I({c,d}) isn't it? < 1471794369 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as a,b,c,d are empty sets, that is < 1471794398 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set. it can only contain one empty set < 1471794417 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1471794481 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, how do you intersect? < 1471794496 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the insersection of two sets < 1471794517 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but how do you do it on an algorithmical level < 1471794539 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the sets can be arbitrarily deep, solving intersection should be as hard as solving > < 1471794547 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently implementing this with python and frozenset() < 1471794570 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aiui uses hashing < 1471794596 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :so intersection is just taking the hashes the two sets have in common < 1471794605 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1471795012 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1471795017 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1471795018 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1471795065 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd I change, why is this code vulnerable to locks now < 1471795074 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I assume that's what's happening anyway < 1471795733 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :your newbie mode got turned off? < 1471795779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471796296 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/72208c9952fe382088b2ef34880927ab5570eec7.bfjoust < 1471796299 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -10.31, score 12.81, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471796305 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaa < 1471796417 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471796426 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/50dff13fa4ddace578da97e7aa9501ae547d8d45.bfjoust < 1471796429 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -40.64, score 1.30, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471796694 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1471796830 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/50dff13fa4ddace578da97e7aa9501ae547d8d45.bfjoust < 1471796832 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -40.64, score 1.30, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471797332 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/23cb931b70e702782a0fccc21ba6ff0d573060b7.bfjoust < 1471797336 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -39.64, score 1.54, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471797506 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/759dd7055ef7e14415bc676541d74a6d4296a94c.bfjoust < 1471797508 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -31.88, score 4.34, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471797994 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1471798452 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/7cee2bfbba25d9d41fc2c81c04e5c86c15eaf362.bfjoust < 1471798454 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -31.45, score 4.48, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471798467 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1471798930 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages which parse reals differently depending on locale < 1471798953 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, with a continental Europe locale 3,1415 would be roughly pi? < 1471799018 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Excel count? < 1471799035 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also changes function names depending on locale, for extra fun < 1471799062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most languages do that if you turn locale handling on < 1471799064 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, for example < 1471799067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is off by default in C < 1471799093 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's a global setting so it's not unheard of for someone other part of the code to turn it on by mistake) < 1471799128 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, what? < 1471799135 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was assuming in source code < 1471799147 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not functions parsing/prettyprinting reals < 1471799203 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1471799211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the language parser would have to be /really/ screwed up < 1471799249 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this sort of thing is the reason OpenOffice Calc uses ; as an argument separator < 1471799395 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I meant source code < 1471799604 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/ad30e6efef150681ddf2497c6e820bb205521d20.bfjoust < 1471799606 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points 43.98, score 507.17, rank 1/47 (+46) < 1471799637 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test < < 1471799638 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471800898 0 :moon_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471800945 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/6bc22d8bc2f8b76f4f708d003266bc5227db0118.bfjoust < 1471800947 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 45.07, score 734.29, rank 1/47 < 1471800980 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust kiseki < < 1471800980 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471801415 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: what did you fix? < 1471801443 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM errors < 1471801466 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's left to fix? < 1471801492 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1471801493 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf < 1471801497 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be parsing < 1471801533 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust >(([{}])%-1[<<<])*-1 < 1471801533 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: "!zjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1471801538 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust wtf >(([{}])%-1[<<<])*-1 < 1471801539 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.wtf: points -36.29, score 1.92, rank 47/47 < 1471801577 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust wtf >(([{}])%-1[<<<])*-1 < 1471801578 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.wtf: points -36.29, score 1.92, rank 47/47 (--) < 1471801602 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1471801609 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a egojsout bug < 1471801663 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=20508d0326326fd282b7ee01c38734f6b0421bbd&r=da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 < 1471801749 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who develops egojsout? < 1471801759 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor < 1471801760 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1471802023 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Apple3.1414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49628&oldid=49006 5* 03AshuraTheHedgehog 5* (-12) 10Changed link and number. < 1471802284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You know there's a !ztest as well. < 1471802382 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I need the full breakdown. :c < 1471802429 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=20508d0326326fd282b7ee01c38734f6b0421bbd&r=da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 < 1471802440 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjsout bug if you can fix it < 1471802456 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls < 1471802458 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1471802460 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/cec411b5c549c0a1517e4dbb5a364081e6b1fc7a.bfjoust < 1471802462 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.test: points -29.02, score 3.91, rank 47/47 < 1471802487 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1471802490 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it fails to reveal the bug < 1471802490 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1471802780 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :greeeaaat < 1471802784 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ({}) related < 1471803030 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytecode looks right < 1471803031 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh < 1471803589 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/e3d7a6d47f16e0a6c1d4dd3bba2d0d0031f193ae.bfjoust < 1471803591 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 45.07, score 734.29, rank 1/47 < 1471803611 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/4e162d8368346b0c42c209e2fbcef831e0fb005a.bfjoust < 1471803614 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 45.83, score 999.98, rank 1/47 < 1471803621 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/4e162d8368346b0c42c209e2fbcef831e0fb005a.bfjoust < 1471803622 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 45.83, score 999.98, rank 1/47 < 1471803648 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1471803658 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 survives, huh < 1471803685 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust kiseki < < 1471803686 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-46) < 1471803690 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471803732 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, your use of advanced programming techniques continues to be a pain the rear for me. < 1471803797 0 :moon_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1471803818 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: What would You do to make it less painfully? < 1471803928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: in what respect? BF Joust compression? < 1471803980 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1471803988 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1471803995 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 doesn't process properly in my VM < 1471803998 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1471804000 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no idea what's left to cause problems. < 1471804043 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1471804068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try looking at a trace of how the program runs and comparing it to a trace produced by your VM < 1471804071 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 has a ton of cases < 1471804084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not easy to guess which one's causing the problem, initially < 1471804110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kiseki built with a counter-everything algorithm? < 1471804114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it juts really good? < 1471804142 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's autogenerated to counter everything. < 1471804180 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this might actually be the end of BF Joust in this case < 1471804188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's likely to be trivial to beat by a newly written program < 1471804200 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original version of BF Joust kept the source code secret, at least for a while < 1471804203 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid this sort of countering < 1471804309 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... wat < 1471804312 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterfall3 just < 1471804317 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomly breaks a lock under my VM < 1471804331 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] exits for no reason < 1471804452 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1471804455 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compilation error < 1471804521 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1471804532 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the dumbest bug possible < 1471804544 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a mistaken AST manipulation that transformed [] into nothing. < 1471804558 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that sounds useful. < 1471804623 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471804671 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched a movie called "The Invention of Lying" the other day < 1471804674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved it so much < 1471804679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I realized it's a romantic comedy < 1471804682 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was sad < 1471804728 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody know if ratings in the google play store are somehow filtered or are germans really the only people complaining about stuff not being translated for them? < 1471804760 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/32f5753d36c979c4b0ca5aa0dba8931b5cd9dc9b.bfjoust < 1471804761 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 46.00, score 999.98, rank 1/47 (+46) < 1471804807 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you could do with applying an extra level of RLE to kiseki output < 1471804809 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd make it easier to read < 1471804838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm it only seems to RLE single commands rather than strings of them < 1471804974 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I've proved that there's a set of 768 programs such that it's impossible to beat all of them on all tape lengths with the same program < 1471805006 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck getting them on a hill < 1471805013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1471805040 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805059 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Client Quit < 1471805097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not 100% sure the proof was correct but I can't remember the details < 1471805115 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805401 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805489 0 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1471805667 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1471805836 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, 999.98. < 1471805907 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me build a new version < 1471805912 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see if that's because I'm missing someone < 1471805923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you replace it with < offscreen? Because the web page's showing it as < for me. < 1471805938 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471805994 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Welp, need to dinner-away anyway.) < 1471806065 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is weird. this page http://zem.fi/bfjoust/breakdown/#ais523.basic_attack says "quintopia_brachiation wins" but when you view in the graphical interpreter, it shows the other winning overwhelmingly. what's the deal? < 1471806076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ARGH < 1471806087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people leave just when i want to say something to them < 1471806098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: karma) < 1471806109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/say/discuss/ < 1471806135 0 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1471806143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karma for swatting? < 1471806159 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=20508d0326326fd282b7ee01c38734f6b0421bbd&r=da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 < 1471806163 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug in it < 1471806174 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It treats (x)*-1 as (x-)*-1 apparently < 1471806178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pondering how to make the link in ais523's new filter's error message open in a new tab/window, and sadly concludes that mediawiki makes that ridiculously complicated and probably needs the LinkTarget extension
< 1471806213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think it should do that so that people don't accidentally get their edits deleted in a stressful situation) < 1471806220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you either need an extention or to rewrite the link using JavaScript < 1471806234 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1471806243 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two programming games based on BF I've done bad things to. < 1471806245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, is that the British spelling? < 1471806256 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it like intention/intension? < 1471806259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what it someone doesn't have js enabled? < 1471806274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: of course not. swatting gives positive karma hth < 1471806274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the link doesn't get rewritten < 1471806278 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's a typo < 1471806284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of JS is a hack in this situation < 1471806294 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was just a typo < 1471806302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. :-( < 1471806303 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's very believable as a real spelling < 1471806321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was extensionally indistinguishable from an intentional spelling. < 1471806324 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest did-i-break-it https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/270c73c713877745c3d670fb8411d462ae82d530.bfjoust < 1471806326 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.did-i-break-it: points 12.12, score 34.72, rank 5/47 < 1471806328 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1471806417 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: which is the other BF-based game? < 1471806439 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really break-break it, but. < 1471806443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FukYorBrane is mathematically broken because you can write a program which will always beat all programs that are shorter than it by more than a certain proportion < 1471806454 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that optimal strategy is to take that program and keep making it longer < 1471806458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bothered to actually write it though < 1471806470 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that in fukyerbrane, @@ lets you set the data pointer < 1471806473 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... < 1471806477 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not an intentional primitive. < 1471806504 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1471806518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was using a trick involving defecting and loops < 1471806538 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to teleport the IP faster than the other program's speed of light < 1471806557 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus giving you a certain length of time where you were guaranteed to be not interfered with < 1471806561 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1471806581 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, the breakdown + "X wins" message is from the gearlance results, while the game browser is a forked copy of egojsout. They did produce identical results for the hill I started from (comparing the outputs is part of my regression test suite), but I guess something's wrong. < 1471806588 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: also, what? < 1471806589 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm still trying to be away and make dinner.) < 1471806609 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1471806710 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. hrm < 1471806718 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructing a minimum error case is harder than I thought < 1471806799 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1471806799 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/?l=ce11b1ce0d71cf74f2fd6db9e8f1c86de0973812&r=da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 < 1471806801 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here you go. < 1471806812 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: neither of those programs use *-1 < 1471806824 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1471806829 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a bug. < 1471806832 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: how do you use @@? < 1471806834 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might have found another. \o/ < 1471806862 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: most likely, but i don't have the gumption to track it down atm < 1471806863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%-1" is a dubious concept as it is < 1471806907 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah. makes perfect sense. -1 is shorthand for "the maximum allowed number of repetitions" < 1471806923 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposed to be up to the interpreter to figure out what it means < 1471806929 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that shorthand because it makes - parse ambiguously < 1471806938 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I implemented it in juiced anyway because people keep using it < 1471806953 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fair complaint < 1471807036 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't actually seem ambiguous though, since - should only appear after * or % in precisely this context. I would consider a * or % not followed by a - or number a syntax error in a bfjoust program < 1471807048 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1471807055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ambiguous from the point of view of parsing < 1471807060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor really from the point of view of tokenisation < 1471807076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still feels like it violates the spirit of BF to use the same character for two different things < 1471807088 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence "fair complaint" < 1471807126 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1471807147 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have used some other glyph for it, like _ or something < 1471807158 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1471807211 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just not include it, and require programmers to type 1111111111 or something (is that long enough for the average "maximum repetitions"?) < 1471807269 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99999 is enough < 1471807291 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're repeating one character as your entire program < 1471807295 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you need one extra copy < 1471807346 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go with 111111 just because the 1s look cleaner :D < 1471807612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I'm not 100% sure the proof was correct but I can't remember the details <-- didn't we find essentially the same proof < 1471807619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1471807655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 768 < 1471807656 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :768: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 < 1471807712 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest is-it-working-yet https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/d2b103275d0bdd2f3019c20ad2bb4a1cbaf5dfdf.bfjoust < 1471807714 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.is-it-working-yet: points 46.00, score 999.98, rank 1/47 < 1471807725 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust kiseki https://paste.lymia.moe/lymia/d2b103275d0bdd2f3019c20ad2bb4a1cbaf5dfdf.bfjoust < 1471807727 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia.kiseki: points 46.00, score 999.98, rank 1/47 (+46) < 1471807858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, _all_ tape lengths. so they just have to work for one. < 1471807902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can choose which. < 1471807998 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would it be possible to reduce the 3 to 2 < 1471808009 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :My defense algorithm isn't good enough to kill the whole hill at once without using brackets. :( < 1471808014 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries! (but fails and dies) < 1471808078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, do you actually need the programs that don't modify their own flag) < 1471808313 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a cool idea for an esoteric language, but I don't know if someone else has come up with the same thing and implemented it already < 1471808323 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, it's a language that gets executed "backwards in time" < 1471808358 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Hello, World! would be something like fn main() { let x = read_line(); assert(x == "Hello, World!"); } < 1471808391 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something inconsistent happens, the program will terminate with a "paradox" < 1471808414 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is still undecided < 1471808474 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, https://github.com/Lymia/BFJoust-Utils < 1471808478 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to look over my generators. < 1471808479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: WUUI uses a similar principle < 1471808488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to a different end < 1471808494 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit of a hack job < 1471808544 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1471808561 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The challenge would be getting a language like this to actually do some useful computation, rather than just verify the user's input < 1471808580 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think implementing it will be hard < 1471808599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUUI is easy to implement but very hard to implement efficiently < 1471808723 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn main() { let a = 0, b = 1; loop *3 { print(a); print(b); a += b; b += a; } } will have the user enter the fibonnacci sequence backwards, otherwise the program terminates with a paradox < 1471808752 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I even put on BF Joust strategies? < 1471808755 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The individual lines wouldn't be backwards, for convenience < 1471808758 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get #1 :^) < 1471808807 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With terminal trickery by the end you can even make it look like the program was executed and printed out the fibonacci sequence by itself ;) < 1471808832 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I guess you could just explain that it was found by computer search to beat all existing programs < 1471808875 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ha some semblance of a strategy. < 1471808890 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It aggressively distinguishes different programs using [] < 1471808906 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then switches between a defense and attack loop to kill stuff off. < 1471809008 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1471809416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1471810060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471810486 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics breaks things a lot of the time < 1471810525 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: make your program generayor automatically generate a description of its strategy < 1471810538 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if one crime C is considered 1/100th as bad as another crime D, then usually the punishment for D will be 100 times worse than that for C < 1471810574 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make a statistically similar system by, instead of putting people guilty of D in prison for 10 years and people guilty of C in prison for 0.1 < 1471810600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting people guilty of D in prison for 10 years always and people guilty of C in prison for 10 years 1% of the time, chosen at random < 1471810612 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1471810613 0 :moon_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471810625 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, pff < 1471810632 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does spam output I guess < 1471810635 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was for debugging < 1471810715 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: make it output meaningful and narrative english sentences. you know, just for fun < 1471810742 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun, got it? < 1471810923 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b412:b573:23c0:2a63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471810985 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not fun, don't do it. < 1471811000 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone written good code while walking on a treadmill? < 1471811170 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b412:b573:23c0:2a63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1471811202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1471812314 0 :Guest85738!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471815744 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1471815980 0 :feliks!NQm8T5AgE2@unaffiliated/feliks QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1471816173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471816276 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1471816685 0 :Guest85738!?@? NICK :augur < 1471817272 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1471817443 0 :kuroro!~kuroro@69.165.253.74 PART #esoteric : < 1471817569 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1471817719 0 :feliks!TGpKm6keQv@unaffiliated/feliks JOIN :#esoteric < 1471817890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit Nite < 1471817890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1471817890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1471818437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Ur-Example of Ur-Examples? < 1471818464 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur < 1471818666 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1471818877 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471818882 0 :moon_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1471819065 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I please restructure english with a fully-productive case system and some nice extra tenses < 1471819076 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1471819084 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d03:c800:8554:a76e:9174:62c5 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1471819088 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1471819101 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :english aint that kinda lang < 1471819113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Fine, I'll rename it < 1471819117 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn some other lang if you need it < 1471819119 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ypu are at it, add an alphabet that makes itpossible to actually pronouncr words correctly < 1471819133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm going to learn german this year, so that's nice < 1471819144 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1471819146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Nah, I don't want to mess with spelling < 1471819165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody pointed out to me the lack of a past-impossible case and I now need one < 1471819191 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I might add þ though, maybe < 1471819206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it possible to simply rebind my keyboard to add letters like that?) < 1471819208 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't belive you. that couldn't have happened < 1471819236 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Past-impossible is for things that were true but now aren't, but where the external facts haven't changed < 1471819238 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1471819253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like referring to someone who, in the past, did not know the (still-the-same) location of New Jerseey < 1471819270 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say "E didn't know where New Jersey was", but that implies that New Jersey isn't there any more < 1471819302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "E didn't know where New Jersey is", but people don't like that < 1471819304 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt know where new jersey is leaves unanswered whether they know now < 1471819311 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ah, yes, that too < 1471819346 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't know where New Jersey had been going to be < 1471819369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, that implies New Jersey was going to move (and since has), but that he wasn't informed of the new location < 1471819386 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a tense for things that were true in the past but it is expressly uncertain whether they are currently true < 1471819404 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or likewise for the future < 1471819418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want fn+t to be þ and shift+fn+t to be (of course) Þ) < 1471819423 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I was trying for the worst possible avast < 1471819426 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer < 1471819432 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1471819436 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make that work with altgr easily < 1471819439 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That will also be useful < 1471819441 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1471819450 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, assuming you're american you could probably just use us-international < 1471819452 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you just invented a new tense taneb < 1471819495 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely want the Habitual/continuative aspect from AAVE < 1471819505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("he be working Tuesdays" is how it is in AAVE) < 1471819528 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it's an existing complex tense < 1471819543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No altgr on mine :/ < 1471819553 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr = right alt < 1471819559 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on layout < 1471819560 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "he works on tuesdays" not capture the same info? < 1471819608 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#US-International < 1471819617 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you are watching xidnaf? < 1471819638 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the example is bad < 1471819647 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "he be working" is better < 1471819671 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1471819697 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he be working = he has a job < 1471819709 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, but that doesn't generalize < 1471819735 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what xidnaf is < 1471819753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, s/myname/quintopia/ < 1471819780 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xidnaf is a small youtube channel about language stuff < 1471819847 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may also to define your own keyboard layout (how this is done depend what operating system) < 1471819848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh, right, yeah, I remember < 1471819853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49629&oldid=49624 5* 03Ais523 5* (+57) 10looks like at least one human didn't read the instructions… < 1471819856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm following him, yes < 1471819907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What layer is changing the name of an object in Magic: the Gathering? < 1471819922 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am always looking for similar channels < 1471820350 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1471820786 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( If I learn DVORAK and change my computer's keyboard layout to it, then nobody will ever be able to use my keyboard if they aren't me ) < 1471820855 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless they're me < 1471820886 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or other dvorak users obviously) < 1471820980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you change the labels too then somebody can see that it is not QWERTY layout. < 1471820985 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong, noone will be able to use any keyboard on your computer, but your keyboard almost anywhere < 1471821112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henceforþ, þe sound previously represented wiþ þe digraph "th" shall be written wiþ þ ("þorn"), at least for me < 1471821154 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actively making a custom keyboard rebinding to include it wiþ altgr+t (and capital wiþ altgr+shift+t) < 1471821164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare to be annoyed every time I talk < 1471821225 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I þink þat's a good idea. < 1471821237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will allow þ to represent boþ voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives) < 1471821240 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we already are < 1471821240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Excellent < 1471821247 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: :,( < 1471821265 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mean. < 1471821302 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, have a randomly generated etymology or ten. < 1471821305 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bronchy (n.) Look up broint at Dictionary.com < 1471821305 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : masc. proper name, from Proto-Germanic *brandin (cognates: Gaulish desma, Old Frisian biflie, Old Irish bingane) "to gritter, quirtly, diamon" (cognate with Old Saxon bindre), from dsanque "near with sheeper, drink, chronal, grow," from PIE root *dhan- "to fees-wittle" (see the Anauil). Related: Accommlint. < 1471821358 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am curious about the etymology of super market < 1471821382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION contemplates adding additional letters for sh, ch, and ng
< 1471821398 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corn (n.) < 1471821398 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1843, from corn (n.) + head. Related: Contented; contenting. < 1471821403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ph will be allowed to live) < 1471821407 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you should use eth when appropriate methinks < 1471821407 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' recursive etymologies. < 1471821417 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: maybe also long s < 1471821420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: When is eþ appropriate? < 1471821445 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :_th_e vs. _th_at < 1471821450 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1471821467 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm < 1471821470 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://youtu.be/fPzAABMozs0 < 1471821479 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :_th_e vs wi_th_ < 1471821489 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but you've got a nice letter for "ph". It's ɸ. < 1471821489 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ðe and wiþ < 1471821492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm honestly planning to use þese in school þis year. My teachers can't stop me because rules mwahahahahaha) < 1471821501 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure about that < 1471821502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ...þose are exactly the same in my dialect < 1471821504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rules are those? < 1471821506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1471821508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1471821535 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1471821544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "ph" makes þe same sound as "f", so if I want to kill it it'll just be replaced wiþ 'f' < 1471821555 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1471821557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: About what? < 1471821564 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that last þ should be ð instead < 1471821567 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My teachers can't stop me because rules" < 1471821574 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It isn't on my clipboard < 1471821577 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, actually < 1471821578 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: wið regards. < 1471821594 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't elliott decide to use long s'es when appropriate for a while? < 1471821601 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the olden days < 1471821612 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: clipboard? You mean keyboard, no? or is it to µ in its selection of keys? < 1471821614 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain (v.) < 1471821614 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bolopic late 14c.," 1861, only with a wadmer attention man, "pourness, son of the misses" (c. 1300), supposed to restricted the numble correct the surges in the words for the found intercours from brethed "to throw or for strength" (1560s). Meaning "spitchs of dawn," the first it also in first element and in ambushi (1793). As a variant a allo-ded attested from 1778. < 1471821647 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands hppavilion[1] a π for his troubles
< 1471821696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Due to a probably-not-quite-accurate diagnosis of Asperger's by a doctor who seems to have it himself, my teachers have been warned about me, and spelling reform will be noþing for þem < 1471821723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Clipboard; I haven't finished þe new keyboard layout yet, so I'm just hitting ctrl+v every time I need þ < 1471821745 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is sort of evil < 1471821756 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not in the spirit of the diagnosis :P < 1471821758 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: wrote a short essay using nothing but old futhark runes. Got it back with comments in red ink, written in same runes < 1471821766 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1471821776 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nortti would enjoy that < 1471821791 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like something he'd do, too < 1471821807 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :('o' binds to 'ø', not because I plan to use it for spelling, but because I need to be able to type it for every time I write my name) < 1471821819 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm curious < 1471821834 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1471821847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Norwegian descent on my faþer's side; last name was anglicized, but I deanglicized it) < 1471821853 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1471821874 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Should I put eþ under my 'd' key? It looks kind of like a 'd'. 't' is taken for þ < 1471821895 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...googling may become difficult) < 1471821917 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it looks like Google corrects 'þ' into 'th' in searches < 1471821955 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be searching for both, but I get lots of thorns < 1471821962 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a þorny issue sometimes. Specially when diffrenating between Thorlacious and Þórláks < 1471821968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Huh. Good enough. < 1471821977 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote þorn < 1471821977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1471821980 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote thorn < 1471821981 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1471821985 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now I can type ſ and µ < 1471821988 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1471821999 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we wipe the quotes or something? < 1471822006 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :∫o whot? < 1471822045 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in replacing a symbol with another one < 1471822061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, relevant 'er's will also be reversed, and 'u' will be used as intended in choice 'or' words. 'defence' over 'defense', etc.) < 1471822074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ...I want to say some noble, spelling reform-related cause < 1471822080 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what are you thinking of? < 1471822086 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I do not know but then I do not live at Pretentiusstraße < 1471822090 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i meant Zarutian < 1471822097 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's really just that I like þ as a letter and would prefer to try and get it reinstated into english < 1471822098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1471822129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, searching for "þeater" gives me non-english results < 1471822136 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: it didn't make sense in german either, i think. except for resultung in the ß diphtong < 1471822141 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there's a way to coax google to modify my searches... < 1471822156 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∫ < 1471822157 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+222B INTEGRAL] < 1471822201 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I was always under the impression ∫ was stylistic, not a distinct letter (like þe difference between single- and double-story 'a' and 'g') < 1471822213 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I said 'there' < 1471822214 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1471822218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll figure it out someday < 1471822229 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My homestuck friends will love this...) < 1471822257 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it wasn't a distinct letter < 1471822268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Exactly < 1471822291 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basically the same as s, but you write it if not at the beginning of a syllable < 1471822342 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ſ I think, not ∫ < 1471822355 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I could make a Firefox extension þat turns 'þ' into 'th' in a search?) < 1471822391 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering turning 'ng' to 'ŋ' as well; should I? < 1471822395 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks good < 1471822405 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could as well just stop writing shitty < 1471822475 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do agree that english should be reformed somehow, but just randomly exchange stuff like you feel like it just makes it harder for anyone to communicate with you < 1471822510 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't stop you, but if it gets too obscure, i won't take the time to read what you are trying to say < 1471822527 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah, I don't plan to make it too obscure < 1471822567 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just named like 4 symbols or so ypu want to introduce and to force others to remember < 1471822627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1471822698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! There's even Ezh (Ʒ/ʒ) < 1471822710 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should just write IPA < 1471822762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ...yeah, ðat's kind of where ðis is headed, isn't it? < 1471822775 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure seems so < 1471822826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'll stop after I have a ch; ðat's ðe last one I need < 1471822840 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also start using wynn and yogh < 1471822937 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crowting/(c.) < 1471822937 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1530s, "a downs," but the meaning "squind found rubles which is taken as the name by intrograte into, drink falsion," from croby (n.). < 1471822944 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crowting/" is an interesting word. < 1471822951 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently its part of speech is "century". < 1471823052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Already a letter for ðat < 1471823062 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1471823064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like how ðat looks like "dat") < 1471823199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1471823232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Is ðere any old or middle-engliʃ letter for "ch"? < 1471823243 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1471823281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanto appears to use ĉ < 1471823362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471823363 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should all speak lojban < 1471823372 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a great language < 1471823451 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Agreed, but I doubt ðat my school would be able to find a translator < 1471823469 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more utilitarian purposes, I'm adding € as well)