00:09:45 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 00:11:52 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:19:06 Hm, can I call the number 110,000 "eleven hundred hundred"? 00:19:38 1.1 lakh 00:21:07 eleven myriad! 00:24:56 [wiki] [[Talk:MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49644&oldid=49638 * Darkrifts * (+364) 00:28:56 <\oren\> じゅういちまん 00:29:44 十一万 HTH 00:30:39 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: can you read hiragana? 00:31:07 \oren\: Nope 00:31:14 <\oren\> jyuu ichi man 00:31:47 That is some weird romanization. 00:33:08 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 00:33:09 "Jūichiman" would be a more normal Hepburn, no? 00:33:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:37:53 [wiki] [[Talk:MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49645&oldid=49644 * Darkrifts * (+47) 00:46:22 <\oren\> pikhq: I'm sort of using wa-puro romaji 00:48:47 That's pretty scow. 00:49:04 Especially when you're inserting literally unnecessary characters in it. 00:49:20 Even with normal-ish wapuro, that'd be "juuichiman". 00:49:33 Or "juu ichi man" I guess. 01:40:29 -!- byteflame has joined. 02:05:39 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:06:03 How is circumcision not classified as genital mutilation? 02:06:48 To some degree, it's like carving a cross or star of david into your child's flesh 02:10:42 Dang. /// is more than 10 and a half years old now. 02:12:45 About circumcision: yup. 02:13:02 Tradition, I suppose. 02:13:22 It's been legal for thousands of years and they haven't changed the law yet. 02:13:53 hppavilion[1]: you musta been, like, 4 when I came up with ///. 02:15:35 Now here's a question. 02:15:48 tswett: Sounds right 02:15:52 ...wow Mauritania 02:15:53 Good job 02:15:56 Great job 02:15:58 In ///, how can I compress a big long thing that's very regular, but doesn't actually have much in the way of individual substrings that are repeated a lot, like: 02:16:00 99E99F98E98E98F97E97E97F96E96E96F95E95E95F94E94E94F93E93E93F92E92E92F91E91E91F90E90E90F89E89E89F88E88E88F87E87E87F86E86E86F85E85E85F84E84E84F83E83E83F82E82E82F81E81E81F80E80E80F79E79E79F78E78E78F77E77E77F76E76E76F75E75E75F74E74E74F73E73E73F72E72E72F71E71E71F70E70E70F69E69E69F68E68E68F67E67E67F66E66E66F65E65E65F64E64E64F63E63E63F62E62E62F61E61E61F60E60E60F59E59E59F58E58E58F57E57E57F56E56E56F55E55E55F54E54E54F53E53E53F52E52E52F51E51E51F50E50E50F49E49E49F48 02:16:00 E48E48F47E47E47F46E46E46F45E45E45F44E44E44F43E43E43F42E42E42F41E41E41F40E40E40F39E39E39F38E38E38F37E37E37F36E36E36F35E35E35F34E34E34F33E33E33F32E32E32F31E31E31F30E30E30F29E29E29F28E28E28F27E27E27F26E26E26F25E25E25F24E24E24F23E23E23F22E22E22F21E21E21F20E20E20F19E19E19F18E18E18F17E17E17F16E16E16F15E15E15F14E14E14F13E13E13F12E12E12F11E11E11F10E10E10F 02:16:17 Hm... 02:16:36 So, you mean.... 02:16:39 I don't see what you mean 02:17:00 Well, how could I create a concise /// program outputting that? 02:17:12 tswett: No, the problem is I don't see the pattern yet 02:17:18 I can see that there is some sort of pattern 02:17:21 But I can't tell how it works 02:17:50 Essentially, the string consists of "nEnEnF" repeated for each number from about 99 down to about 10. 02:17:51 Start with a concise program outputting that in a traditional language, for a start 02:18:21 tswett: Except 99E is only once? 02:19:01 Apparently. So 98 is the first one where it has the entire nEnEnF. 02:19:19 Ihttp://esolangs.org/wiki//// may be my favorite URL 02:19:34 I know, it's kind of a wonderful URL. 02:19:36 tswett: Well, you're definitely going to need the string #E#E#F 02:19:50 And # gets replaced with the number 02:20:39 Well, not sure how to print it 02:21:32 Lemme pose a possibly easier question. 02:21:41 tswett: No, I think I'm figuring it out 02:21:48 OK, so the pattern has to be a literal, except \ can escape \ or /? 02:21:52 Well, for my own benefit, I mean. 02:21:54 That's correct. 02:22:02 And, of course, \ and / both must be escaped. 02:22:18 tswett: ...that's what I said 02:23:08 So, for my own benefit, here's a new question. Come up with a reasonably concise /// program outputting this: 02:23:16 00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_010_11_12_13_14_15_16_17_18_19_20_21_22_23_24_25_26_27_28_29_30_31_32_33_34_35_36_37_38_39_40_41_42_43_44_45_46_47_48_49_50_51_52_53_54_55_56_57_58_59_60_61_62_63_64_65_66_67_68_69_70_71_72_73_74_75_76_77_78_79_80_81_82_83_84_85_86_87_88_89_90_91_92_93_94_95_96_97_98_99_ 02:23:40 Um... there's a hilarious error in the middle of that. 02:23:55 See where it says 07_010_11? That should say 07_08_09_10_11. 02:24:52 Hm, I'm not sure if there's a way to do it concisely 02:25:04 Now, here's a trick I learned from the wiki page. 02:25:06 I mean, there probably is 02:25:09 Step 1 is to convert that to this... 02:25:25 00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09/_0/_1/_00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09/_1/_2/_00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09 02:25:27 And so on. 02:25:34 I mean... if you can make a replacement self-replicate somehow, it'd probably work 02:25:47 Then you can come up with a shortcut for 00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09. 02:26:21 And then you'll just be left with something looking a lot like... 02:26:46 So you need to have a normal decrement substitution (like the one in Thue in reverse and decimal rather than binary) 02:27:03 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:27:06 x/_0/_1/x/_1/_2/x/_2/_3/x/_3/_4/x/_4/_5/x/_5/_6/x/_6/_7/x/_7/_8/x/_8/_9/ 02:27:06 Which will definitely have to be at least 10 distinct substitutions 02:28:16 Then a counter I think... 02:29:22 Then a method by which the count can be inserted into all occurrences of # in #E#E#F 02:29:33 Then print it and start over with a decremented count 02:29:57 Does it have to be terminated by a final _? 02:31:03 FreeFull: nope. 02:31:15 print('_'.join(str(x).zfill(2)for x in range(100))) Is the shortest I can come up with in Python 02:31:26 I bet there is a shorter version though 02:31:28 hppavilion[1]: note you can escape characters other than / and \ as well. that often makes it easier _not_ to substitute things too early. 02:32:20 Python 2 lets you omit one set of () so it's 2 characters shorter 02:34:02 What's the best language for this? 02:37:23 bash is pretty good. 02:37:25 for i in {00..99}_; do echo -n $i; done 02:37:37 Or... 02:37:57 echo {00..99} | sed 's/ /_/g' 02:38:19 Of course, if you're okay with spaces instead of underscores, it's just... 02:38:23 echo {00..99} 02:39:02 Hmm, lemme try perl 02:40:20 Hmm 02:41:11 tswett: tr -d ' ' 02:42:05 echo {00..99}_|tr -d ' ' is the shortest I can come up with without spaces 02:42:10 In bash 02:43:47 is seq 00 99 considered correct? 02:44:08 nevermind, it doesn't pad 02:44:19 adding a format will be way too long 02:48:10 I'm having trouble figuring out the perl version 02:49:32 FreeFull: str(x).zfill(2) == '%02d'%x for given range 02:50:14 [ ,'_',.~(_2{.!.'0'":)"0 i.100 02:50:14 FireFly: 00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10_11_12_13_14_15_16_17_18_19_20_21_22_23_24_25_26_27_28_29_30_31_32_33_34_35_36_37_38_39_40_41_42_43_44_45_46_47_48_49_50_51_52_53_54_55_56_57_58_59_60_61_62_63_64_65_66_67_68_69_70_71_72_73_74_75_76_77_78_79_80_81_82_83_84_85_86_87_88_89_90_91_92_93_94_95_96_97_98_99_ 02:50:31 Feels rather mediocre, honestly 02:50:49 and has a trailing underscore 02:50:52 FreeFull: and ('_%02d'*100%tuple(range(100)))[1:] is shorter 02:50:57 I thought that was intended 02:51:08 lifthrasiir: I forgot about the formatting operator 02:51:09 tswett's original line had one too 02:51:21 lifthrasiir: How about a Perl version? 02:51:28 rught 02:51:34 I'm not good at perl golfing :p 02:51:46 print '00'..'99'; is missing the _ =P 03:02:26 print map{s/$/_/r}'00'..'99' 03:02:27 Got it 03:02:51 Can someone come up with a shorter perl version? 03:08:04 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:10:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:15:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:21:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:22:15 So, little poll. 03:22:32 I'm creating a database query tool. I'm thinking of naming it Catabase. 03:22:42 What do you think of this name? 03:25:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:25:22 tswett: next time try 'patabase 03:27:08 i like it 03:45:30 tswett: is the first a short or long? 03:46:17 Short. 03:46:24 catamountbase 03:55:19 -!- espes has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:55:40 -!- shachaf has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:56:50 -!- espes has joined. 03:57:01 -!- shachaf has joined. 04:07:44 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 612 seconds). 04:09:54 -!- FireFly has joined. 04:14:18 -!- adu has joined. 04:32:06 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:39:02 -!- adu has joined. 04:43:38 -!- Akaibu has joined. 05:02:11 \oren\: That kind of open protocol and game logic by server is also how I would design some multiplayer online game too such as a card game; in this case hard realtime is not as important. Time limits may be defined but you do not need so much precision 05:10:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:37:19 I wish customary units were better 05:38:45 With words for things other than the simple stuff that people cared about in... huh, we don't know how old English Units (the parent of both Imperial and Customary units) are 05:38:58 They were around during roman colonization in the 0s 05:39:47 ...wow, the reason we still use Customary here is "Advocates of the customary system saw the French Revolutionary, or metric, system as atheistic." 05:40:44 ...oh, huh 05:41:03 On my keyboard, I HAVE TO PRESS shift to turn off capslock suddenly 05:41:05 ...OK 05:41:59 1 furlong, 2 yards 05:50:48 -!- Cale has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:51:08 -!- Cale has joined. 05:53:03 Why does nobody use the metre-gram-second? 05:53:38 Seconds are a bizarre unit. 05:55:47 shachaf: Why? 05:55:50 .../dammit/ 05:56:06 ? 05:57:13 Wait, NFM 05:57:16 *NVM 05:57:17 I think 05:57:52 shachaf: How are seconds a bazaar unit? And how exactly do you "sell" a second in Mesopotamia? 06:01:03 ...wow 06:01:15 When people petitioned the white house for a Metric implementation 06:01:39 The director of the NIST said that, since customary units were defined in the metric system, the nation is "bilingual" in terms of measurement systems. 06:01:51 Just use natural units. 06:02:09 How many planck lengths tall are you? 06:02:58 I'm about 1.143*10^35 planck lengths tall, personally. 06:03:09 pikhq: The natural unit of length is the smoot. 06:03:43 shachaf: If we do that, we'll at the very least need to define units completely unrelated to planck in name that are always the same multiple of the natural version of what they measure 06:04:01 shachaf: I cannot argue that. 06:04:12 * pikhq has even walked that bridge before 06:04:26 But did you ever walk the planck? 06:04:32 No. 06:06:01 So, for example, a brick (or whatever) is roughly 0.21765099999999998 kilograms 06:06:11 Then the argument is smoot. 06:07:51 (If I were to propose a system for the US to use, there would be a unit called the toom that is about a smoot and hope nobody noticed) 06:08:16 our inability to objetively define mass is irritating 06:08:30 (also symptomatic of our general inability to comprehend gravity) 06:08:58 I should learn about physics. 06:09:05 shachaf: if you do let me know 06:09:08 I should too 06:09:31 If we Americans are going to keep our isolationism, we need to stop using those obviously-metric "kilobytes" and "megabytes" and "gigabytes" 06:09:36 The trouble is that physicists have a bizarre perspective on everything. 06:09:48 What's the most Customary-esque measurement of information? 06:09:59 we are all americans on this blessed day 06:10:09 Information can be measured in semitones. 06:10:10 shachaf: yeah, like on what is reasonable mathematics 06:10:14 Or in bels. 06:10:20 (...august 25?) 06:10:52 https://i.imgur.com/Bxmjwj0.png 06:10:54 The smallest unit would be 6 bits (called a "letter") 06:10:59 I probably shouldn't've done that. 06:11:04 hppavilion[1]: The BTU per Rankine. 06:11:32 ASCII (which is the American Standard) is a 7-bit code 06:11:45 shachaf: But not all of ASCII is letters 06:12:04 At least, that unit has the same dimension as thermodynamic entropy. 06:12:59 You know what? A letter is 5.70043 bits, not 6 06:13:57 Isn't entropy the negative of information? Or something like that? 06:14:59 shachaf: Thermodynamic entropy = (-1) * information theoretic entropy 06:15:03 A line is 50 letters, a page is 36 lines (though there's conflict; most government entities are supposed to use a 72 line page (as they assumed both sides), but common usage is 36) 06:15:31 (Yes, I grabbed the nearest book and counted the lines on the page I had open) 06:16:58 (what's a common unit of information? 06:16:58 ) 06:18:32 Common? The bit. 06:19:13 pikhq: Common as in colloquial 06:19:27 pikhq: When explaining that there's a lot of data somewhere, what do you use for comparison? 06:19:56 The KJV Bible? 06:20:00 pikhq: Sure 06:20:26 Searched "KJV bible length in characters". Received "9" 06:22:04 correct 06:22:09 > length "KJV bible" 06:22:12 9 06:24:53 The most recent release of Ubuntu (64-bit desktop) is, if my torrent client is correct, 146503 page 06:25:20 hppavilion[1]! 06:25:24 hi hppavilion[1]! 06:25:49 hppavilion[1]: how have you been? 06:26:12 hadu 06:26:15 Good 06:26:42 I had a 30 minute tele-conference with my company's competitor today :D 06:27:08 :D 06:27:09 Why? 06:27:17 Are you stealing trade secrets!? :) 06:36:02 Yes. 06:57:45 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 07:05:10 I think I'll try and get Congress to pass a law improving the Customary system; if we can't switch to metric, we can at least make it easier 07:06:23 Define the metric prefixes (plus hella- and hello-) as acceptable modifiers of unit (so kilofoot and millipound are words that government organizations can use) 07:06:40 And add some new units that Metric already has single units for but Customary doesn't 07:10:38 (there's no simple word for a Customary Newton or Pascal or any such thing) 07:11:06 And maybe even some shorthands for concepts (like speed and acceleration) 07:11:42 But the REAL reason I do this is for an evil purpose- it mixes in my system of naming, and establishes it as compulsory for marketing 07:11:48 (for information) 07:17:17 I think in United States, legal documents are already allowed to use metric. 07:17:23 Such a law has already been passed. 07:18:47 (You don't have to use metric) 07:18:52 The major issue is, in certain contexts you're not allowed to *exclusively* use metric. 07:19:31 For instance, packaging for food is generally not allowed to use metric exclusively. 07:19:44 O, so that is how it is. 07:19:46 (but is required to use metric in addition to US customary units) 07:20:05 OK 07:20:18 why is it an issue? 07:20:24 I do not really see much of a problem with that though. 07:20:33 It's not a huge one, except some manufacturers would like to stop caring. 07:20:57 Fortunately, there's no requirement that your goods be a round number of units in one system or another. 07:21:33 So e.g. it's perfectly valid to sell 4L of milk, just so long as it's 4 L (135 fl oz) 07:23:59 . o O ( One hertz-second (Hz⋅s) is a useless unit... I wonder if we make stuff more confusing with it ) 07:29:05 The best strategy to secure our borders and keep out ISIS trying to get in through Mexico is, in my opinion, to (1) help fix Mexico so it's not a shitty place to live that makes the US much more appealing (2) form a "North American Union" of sorts (NAU- like the EU) and (3) Impose strict regulations on travel into NAU member states, but travel between NAU member states is allowed and easy (but you don't necessarily get government 07:29:05 benefits for the country you're in) 07:30:20 hppavilion[1]: This is because you're thinking about effective policy, not racism. 07:30:27 pikhq: ...Oh right 07:31:08 pikhq: Well, if we get enough mixed-race couples then Mexicans and Whites will slowly become indistinguishable 08:20:47 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:30:43 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:43:06 -!- ais523 has quit. 08:45:44 Hm... 08:45:55 Is it possible to have a measurement along the lines of m^1/2? 08:48:15 eu has like 25 members 08:48:18 nau would have 2 08:48:25 izabera: 3 08:48:32 that's not north 08:48:35 i 08:48:42 izabera: canada 08:48:50 canada and us 08:48:56 mexico isn't north 08:48:58 izabera: And Mexico 08:49:04 izabera: Mexico is in North America 08:49:11 whatever 08:49:13 25 to 3 08:49:18 North America as opposed to South America 08:49:20 The continents 08:50:25 Also the EU currently has 28 members 08:50:46 is that before or after brexit? 08:50:53 Before 08:51:14 We're seeing how long we can procrastinate brexit before everyone forgets about it 08:56:27 I was real Brexit-sad at Heathrow again when using the "UK and EU passports" lane. 08:56:44 `welcome fizzie 08:57:05 Also the automatic ePassport gates refused to like my passport -- Brexit consequences manifesting in advance? 08:57:07 Brazil is exiting?! 08:57:18 (The ones in Finland liked it just fine.) 08:58:48 Lizzie, 08:58:50 ... 08:59:04 fizzie, I had that in Heathrow 08:59:14 But not in Venice 08:59:26 So what is the square root of a unit? What's sqrt(kg) or sqrt(s) or sqrt(m)? 09:01:50 hppavilion[1]: Apparently fracture toughness values are typically in units of MPa sqrt(m), as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracture_toughness#Example_values 09:02:19 m^i 09:02:23 I'll show myself out 09:03:13 I'm really just looking for a physical interpretation, if such a thing can possibly exist 09:13:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:44:02 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 10:01:28 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:12:19 wow, this is unexpected 10:50:14 [wiki] [[Fourier]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49646&oldid=49164 * Beta-Decay * (+336) 11:02:31 [wiki] [[Fourier]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49647&oldid=49646 * Beta-Decay * (+0) 12:45:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:37:49 fungot: a Nyuszi gondoskodott a vitaminról 13:37:50 b_jonas: too late to change design philosophy. it only teaches the new language 13:37:54 ah, he's back! 13:56:07 fungot: a lepke őt és mindhármukat én. 13:56:07 b_jonas: and now he's going to switzerland to a winter solstice ritual in a " symbol", and you can rotate the picture in all 4 compass directions 14:04:57 Both racism and discrimination against the poor are stupid 14:55:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:00:34 > chr$72+29+9 15:00:37 'n' 15:00:45 > chr$72+29+7 15:00:48 'l' 15:00:54 hm 15:04:33 [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:83.230.38.58]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites 15:06:04 another legitimate anonymous edit caught in the filter :( 15:09:26 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[User:Mtve]]": Spam: Apparently no one noticed back in 2011 when this spam page was (re)created :P 15:11:40 @tell ais523 the "polish" spammers stupidly respammed a page they'd managed to split by us - in 2011 :P 15:11:40 Consider it noted. 15:11:57 @tell ais523 *slip, sheesh 15:11:57 Consider it noted. 15:12:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:13:50 [wiki] [[Dimensions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49648&oldid=45598 * Oerjan * (+0) /* Hello World! */ Anonymous legitimate edit caught by filter 9 15:14:52 @tell ais523 Somehow, filter 9 seems to cause more work :( 15:14:53 Consider it noted. 15:19:23 there was also an earlier blocked edit which i don't know if is correct https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/6629 15:21:01 [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:5.248.239.32]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites 15:23:24 <\oren\> 10 kiloHertz-seconds is just 10000 15:24:53 shocking 15:45:23 -!- icomefromSPACE73 has joined. 15:45:43 10000 what? 15:45:50 we need a unit for non-dimensional constants 15:45:54 for the consistency 15:46:45 -!- icomefromSPACE73 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:47:07 -!- icomefromSPACE73 has joined. 15:47:19 hi everyone! 15:48:18 `relcome icomefromSPACE73 15:48:19 icomefromSPACE73: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 15:48:44 so are we programming the universe here? 15:48:52 rarely 15:49:04 oh that 15:49:05 who's fault is it that i'm on planet earth? 15:49:26 and how do i get my fusion drives working so i can get off this planet? 15:49:48 my mechanic died in plasma conduit malfunction 15:49:53 ic 15:49:59 yes yes.. 15:50:18 `? space 15:50:19 space? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:50:47 that's right.. i come from a planet called Superion... it's awesome, i want to get back 15:51:24 healp mah 15:52:02 i think the book "The little Prince" has some advice at the end hth 15:52:35 hmmm does it show you how to fix a fusion drive? 15:52:59 nope, it's too old to know about those. 15:53:20 yeeesch.. well i like the burritos here so that's something 15:53:31 and cats.. they're cool 15:53:32 anyway, you could ask those ITER guys. 15:53:38 ITER? 15:53:43 `? burrito 15:53:44 Burritos are like Monads, according to Joe. See https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/ 15:53:58 icomefromSPACE73: earth's main fusion project hth 15:54:11 gotcha 15:54:19 does earth not already have fusion drives? 15:55:08 nope. all our attempts to use fusion keep pushing back to 30 years in the future, somehow. 15:55:33 we're pretty good with fission, though. 15:55:42 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:59:45 -!- icomefromSPACE73 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:00:53 `le/rn space/Humans come from space. In particular, the part of space that has Earth in it. 16:00:54 Learned «space» 16:02:38 is earth only the word for this planet in english? 16:02:52 i considered reverting that to make it start with "space", but it didn't feel right. 16:03:21 myname: i should think so. 16:03:58 except perhaps english-based creoles 16:04:06 <\oren\> myname: some science fiction refers to it as "Terra", but general english calls it "the earth" or "earth" 16:05:02 in german there is "erde" which can be either the name of this planet or that brown stuff you plant plants in 16:05:16 -!- rodgort has joined. 16:05:32 in norwegian "Jorda" (or "jord" for the brown stuff) 16:06:38 (those are all cognates) 16:06:46 \oren\: yeah, and some science fiction calls the sun "Sol" and the humans "terrans", see http://scifi.stackexchange.com/q/116820/4918 16:07:59 oh man, I'm connected to eight different irc networks. again. 16:08:09 crazy stuff 16:08:19 on any but freenode, I only want to access very few channels 16:08:20 "In its earliest appearances, eorðe was already being used to translate the many senses of Latin terra and Greek γῆ (gē): the ground,[n 9] its soil,[n 10] dry land,[n 11] the human world,[n 12] the surface of the world (including the sea),[n 13] and the globe itself.[n 14]" 16:10:01 <\oren\> The earliest citation for "Terra" as a name for the planet Earth is from an 1871 lecture "Science & Revelation" by Robert Payne Smith: 16:11:18 <\oren\> so, relatively new term 16:12:02 in english, that is. 16:12:06 <\oren\> however, Terra fits in better with the Latin names we use for the other planets 16:12:22 of course the romans didn't consider it a planet. 16:13:32 <\oren\> true,but still, you have these latinate names for the other planets, and then the odd one out is earth with its th sound 16:14:27 no, the odd one out is Moon 16:14:54 <\oren\> well, that too. Luna 16:16:12 and Sun. 16:16:18 <\oren\> Sol 16:16:32 <\oren\> as in the Solar System 16:17:36 norwegian has it easy there, our word for sun is sol. 16:19:11 <\oren\> A similar problem occurs in japanese where the other planets end in 星 (star) while earth is 地球 (dirt ball) 16:19:47 huh, the difference between "sun" and "sol" stem from PIE grammar - the word had different forms in different cases. 16:19:52 *stems 16:20:16 <\oren\> suppletive forms 16:20:21 \oren\: hey, isn't that just japanese humility :P 16:21:17 <\oren\> the also had to cram in neptune and uranus after the other planets used the five lements 16:21:50 <\oren\> 天王星 sky king star 海王星 sea king star 16:22:07 all the germanic, latin and greek words for "sun" seem to be cognate. 16:22:34 (also russian, i recently learned) 16:23:15 \oren\: oh right, those other five elements, the ones in the Chinese system. I don't know how that system works. 16:24:56 while the moon's name seems to be different in all three 16:25:21 <\oren\> mercury is water, venus is metal, mars is fire, jupiter is wood, and saturn is earth 16:26:18 saturn is earth? those crazy chinese 16:26:32 <\oren\> earth star 16:26:45 <\oren\> or, soil star? 16:27:42 <\oren\> 土星 16:28:49 <\oren\> and the sun is pretty crazy too: 太陽 (fat yang) 16:28:56 <\oren\> ...yeah 16:29:20 I only know the classical alchemical correspondence: Sunday/Dimanche/Sun/gold, Monday/Lundi/Moon/silver, Tuesday/Mardi/Mars/iron, Wednesday/Mercredi/Mercury/mercury, Thursday/Jeudi/Jupiter/tin, Friday/Vendredi/Venus/copper, Saturday/Saturn/lead. Makes much more sense. 16:29:59 <\oren\> b_jonas: thes sort of used those for the days of the week in Japanese 16:30:28 There's also an alchemical correspondence to basically any set of seven things you can think of, plus also any set of five or six or eight or nine or ten or eleven or twelve things just shoehorned on somehow. 16:30:58 <\oren\> like thursday is wood-week-day 16:31:01 In the modern day, few do alchemy, so it's astrology that has to listen to these corespondences. 16:31:33 b_jonas: which disney dwarf corresponds to which planet? 16:31:38 I say we should just cut out the roman gods and name the names of weeks from the classical metals in first places. 16:31:53 <\oren\> and then sunday is day-week-day and monday is moon-week-day 16:31:55 oerjan: http://www.xkcd.com/1417/ 16:32:05 b_jonas: that's what i was referring to 16:32:50 `quote ais.*obscure 16:32:50 1243) (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing) 16:33:22 `botsnack Zippy! 16:33:23 >:-D 16:35:14 There's also the seven wonders and the hét honfoglaló vezér, of whom there are different contradictory lists of which seven, so very likely everyone is just fudging the lists to make sure it comes out to seven after the fact when they find out more. 16:36:43 Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin 16:37:05 and Ramses whatever-his-number-was 16:38:22 The hét vezér in particular are either ((Álmos|Árpád), Előd, Ond, Kond, Tas, Huba, (Töhötöm|Tétény)) based on the list by Anonymus, or a completely different sounding list with some overlaps and family relationships with the previous one. 16:38:28 * oerjan cannot say he's ever noticed lists of seven conquerors, anyway. 16:38:42 ah. they have to be hungarian. 16:39:10 There are three primary sources giving three different lists, plus extra sources with no list but talking about some of the individual people. 16:39:54 hm maybe Mehmed 2(?) fits better. 16:41:09 far too many conquerors in the world as a whole. 16:53:01 <\oren\> seven empires: British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, German, and Russian 16:53:21 <\oren\> (at least, those are the ones from Age Of Empire 2) 16:53:25 <\oren\> (at least, those are the ones from Age Of Empire 3) 16:53:58 <\oren\> stupid fingers, stop typing the button bedide the one I want 16:54:27 <\oren\> age of empires also has the ottomans but they suck 16:56:11 <\oren\> theres also the "group of seven" canadian painters 17:07:13 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:09:47 fizzie, git cloning the zem.fi hill is broken again 17:09:47 fyi 17:28:32 Hurbl. I thought I fixed that. 17:29:46 Maybe I just thought about it. 17:31:22 I did fix that thing that was previously wrong (not running git update-server-info in the post-update hook). 17:32:58 I can't even find the URL you're supposed to clone any more. 17:34:23 Apparently https://zem.fi/bfjoust/hill.git/ and cloning it seemed to work now. 17:34:44 Of course I made the mistake of manually running update-server-info, so if it was broken before that, I have no way of knowing. 17:41:47 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: pedially running). 17:45:41 !zjoust meowmeowmeow < 17:45:41 Lymia.meowmeowmeow: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 17:45:57 It doesn't work 17:54:03 Mhm. Looks like the same problem of not auto-running that thing, but I have no idea why. 17:54:44 Oh, duh. 17:55:12 !zjoust how_about_now <>< 17:55:12 fizzie.how_about_now: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 17:55:27 Now it's fixed. 17:55:44 In other news, though, "it doesn't work" is a horrible bug report. 17:55:54 Please clearly state expected and actual behaviour. 17:58:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 18:05:08 that program looks a bit fishy 18:09:09 -!- Kaynato has joined. 18:13:09 int-e: You're just carping. 18:13:35 !zjoust meow :3 <( meow! ) 18:13:36 Lymia.meow: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 18:13:54 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:14:31 The food chain in action. 18:19:29 In other news, though, "it doesn't work" is a horrible bug report. 18:19:30 Please clearly state expected and actual behaviour. 18:19:33 Expected behavior: It works 18:19:37 Actual behavior: It doesn't work 18:26:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:27:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:30:35 <\oren\> Expected behaviour: it behaves as expected. 18:30:51 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:30:58 <\oren\> Actual behaviour: it behaves in an unexpected manner. 18:33:24 In that case, it's working as intended. 18:41:02 <\oren\> do british people who move to France have to refit their cars with a steering wheel on the other side? 18:41:03 Is there a simple way to forge the reply-to message-ID in Heirloom-Mailx? 18:42:00 \oren\, I don't think so 18:44:39 So that I can reply to messages that I have not received. 18:47:15 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:54:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:57:09 -!- adu has joined. 18:59:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:07:31 Is kg^-1... the measurement of percentage? So U-235 has a value 0.0072 kg^-1 in pure uranium? 19:10:28 fizzie, How computationally expensive is markov scoring? 19:10:43 Is it unreasonable to try and compute it on ~9000 programs 19:16:55 On the floor inside of the boat they should add a compass with aft/fore/port/starboard so that you can know which way to go inside of the ship. Some of the boats can go in either direction, so in that case, to add lights on the wall inside to tell you which way. 19:21:51 My english teacher this year is scow 19:21:54