< 1473292811 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473292916 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293208 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293225 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293227 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Perhaps #esoteric should start using Chess Annotation Symbols (??, ?, ?!, !?, !, !!) constantly, possibly when livereading active conversations ) < 1473293256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that idea is ?? ) < 1473293271 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473293323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM ⁇ ⁈ ⁉ and ‼ HTH HAND < 1473293379 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473293394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿What, compose-?-? just yields a ¿? < 1473293439 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1975 confuses me... < 1473293559 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fischer wanted "first to win 10 games" < 1473293587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the event of 9-9 he wanted the current champion (which would be him) to keep the title < 1473293616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the event of 9-9 in a "first to win 10" format, wouldn't the correct response be "play one more game, the winner is the overall winner"? < 1473293660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I guess the rationale is that if the score is 9-9, the players are about evenly matched and the 10th game is pretty much decided by a coin toss... < 1473293694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( How about "first to win 3 more games than the other has won?" (or some s/3/n/ for integer n)? ) < 1473293759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could in theory last forever < 1473294133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that the expected value of the absolute distance after N steps of 1-d random walk is something non-constant, which I guess would mean it'd be increasingly unlikely to continue? (Of course you could presumably use that as an argument against any sort of constant difference N as well, since it'd mean exactly evenly matched participants would reach that disparity eventually.) < 1473294402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least sqrt(n) disparity hth < 1473294432 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that may or may not be the right order) < 1473294797 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1473294800 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473294839 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I think all LL(1) languages are LR(1). I could be wrong though. < 1473294864 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a mechanical keyboard. Why does it seem like all good mechanical keyboards are horribly expensive? < 1473294981 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473295172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure all LL(1) _languages_ are LR(1). not quite sure about _grammars_. < 1473295208 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a clicky keyboard for home with 50 g force and 101/104 key US layout. < 1473295213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the first, an LL(1) recognizer is pretty obviously implementable as a deterministic pushdown automaton) < 1473295336 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, they're horribly expensive. < 1473295341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an LR(1) grammar is one which needs only 1 token lookahead at the end of a production, while iirc an LL(1) grammar is one that needs only one token lookahead at the _beginning_ iirc. assuming that, it's pretty trivial for grammars too. < 1473295342 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they have to cost this much? < 1473295362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be sure that the production is chosen) < 1473295369 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did people even have keyboards for their computers back twenty or thirty years ago when mechanical keyboards were the norm? < 1473295392 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the market in action hth < 1473295473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do other kinds of keyboards cheaper and satisfy the majority of people and so on and so forth. < 1473295507 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but still, fuck them. < 1473295633 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the IBM Model F keyboard < 1473295679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game: Total Shuffle Chess (AKA Chess60277490498889369439384431508790906881064404967751680) < 1473295701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I prefer deterministic putdown automata < 1473295757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] ------### < 1473295758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it might actually be more like Chess15069372624722342359846107877197726720266101241937920 as castling becomes irrelevant and/or impossible) < 1473295780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(processing...) < 1473295795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1473295796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your addiction to swatting indicates deeper issues, and that you're a broken human being worth less than fertilizer < 1473295931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't find your putdown as deterministic as my swatter hth < 1473296213 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473296237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think CS has a concept of /how/ deterministic something is; only whether or not it is < 1473296259 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Bobby Fischer was an anti-semitic asshole (also a holocaust denier) < 1473296263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1473296333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CS thing, that is. the other i'm ignoring. < 1473296493 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473296494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he was... he said he agreed with Nietzsche that "religion is just to dull the senses of the people"... and yet he published "My 60 Memorable Games" because he thought the rapture was coming soon and figured he'd make some cash first < 1473296543 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day soon, deep learning will allow us to say /ignore hppavilion[1] when he brings up ancient crap < 1473296553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1473296572 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when I read wikipedia < 1473296579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About real-world stuff < 1473296586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We only ship to Worldwide." -- perfect Engrish grammar < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your addiction to bringing up crap indicates deeper < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : issues, and that you're a broken human being worth less < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : than fertilizer < 1473296594 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit irssi < 1473296675 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have paste_detect_time = 100msecs and that's somehow not enough. < 1473296681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You can only get their stuff in Worldwide, Massachippissippi hth. < 1473296707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION increases to 200 < 1473296752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what? < 1473296755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1473296758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1473296778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a joke and that was the best I could come up with. < 1473296926 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to bring up Usa, Japan but wikipedia crushed my childhood again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa,_%C5%8Cita#Product_labeling < 1473296977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, snopes < 1473297065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, does this count as ancient crap, argh) < 1473297100 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. I've ordered a mechanical keyboard. < 1473297115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT DOWNLOAD A KEYBOARD, SILLY < 1473297144 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not downloading it. It will get here the slow way, on legs. < 1473297160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes some time because it has to go around the globe, and not even in a straight line. < 1473297186 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can't withstand the pressures deep inside Earth.) < 1473297205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the legs at least not have to swim < 1473297229 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it can take a ship or something < 1473297240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's cheating! < 1473297268 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it's only a small part of the route, I think. < 1473297316 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it doesn't even need a ship, and can come through all land the long way. < 1473297326 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. < 1473297353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ha! < 1473297383 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Was it made in USA? < 1473297424 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think so. It's shipping from Hong Kong, and probably made there. < 1473297432 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure where these things are made really. < 1473297629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL "Philippines" is spelled with a 'ph' and "Filipino" is spelled with an 'f' < 1473297632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1473297752 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they speak Tagalog < 1473297757 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cebuano < 1473297927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well in norwegian, they're both spelled with F hth < 1473297946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: PLEASE LET ME JOIN YOU < 1473298011 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you'll probably need a work permit for that hth < 1473298029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably < 1473298030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly, you could find a norwegian to marry. < 1473298079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect you're unlikely to be granted political asylym, anyway. < 1473298291 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely scenario is a Trump presidency, which in the event of I'm genuinely considering leaving the country < 1473298301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it makes me a walking cliche < 1473298553 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with a trump presidency, political asylum may not be automatic hth < 1473298621 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: leave to where? < 1473298636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well yeah, it wouldn't < 1473298650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Norway wasn't high on the list of destinations < 1473298653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not sure yet < 1473298659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1473298667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not top 5 < 1473298668 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU NOT BUT NORWAY FIRST < 1473298692 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PUT < 1473298714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a great country, but it isn't primarily english-speaking < 1473298717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AFAIK) < 1473298723 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Norway is nice, I visited in August < 1473298739 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: what? Norway is as good as English speaking. most people there speak English, you can get by with English. < 1473298754 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, if you already know English, then Norwegian isn't that hard to learn < 1473298754 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Oh? < 1473298755 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :my roommate and I are experimentingn with canadian banking regulations < 1473298769 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote him my rent cheque on the inside flap of a macaroni carton in sharpie < 1473298796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Are the Canadian bank rules that you don't have to write cheques on the official paper? < 1473298800 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you really remain the only Norwegian regular in the channel? < 1473298809 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And does this extend to checks as well?) < 1473298839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there was another recently, but e hasn't been active enough for me to remember who it was... < 1473298850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf is 'finnmark < 1473298852 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1473298854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe e left again < 1473298870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's our northernmost county (excluding svalbard) < 1473298880 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's Finland+Denmark... but it's in Norway... < 1473298883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( minpoijjikop isn't a regular ) < 1473298900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where's Trønnes? < 1473298914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a town, from what I've been told) < 1473298935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: funny, we also had an episode in the channel a few years ago when someone found out about the name Finnmark (possibly from me) and was amazed by it < 1473298946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473298950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: never heard of that town < 1473298960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm stuck in a CTlL? < 1473298989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in Hedmark, in the south of the country. < 1473298992 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently Finnmark is a county within Norway < 1473299000 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes, as I understand them, you can write a cheque on anything so long as it contains the requisite information < 1473299001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I SAID THAT < 1473299021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also might not be big enough that anybody knows, the same way I've never heard of Arnold, Nebraska) < 1473299028 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you did, sorry < 1473299047 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: or maybe it's so far to the north that nobody goes there < 1473299185 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Google Maps only knows about one in... Meraker? I assume that's a Norwegian county? < 1473299217 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to know for me too which places within Europe are good for living and working in case I want to leave. < 1473299227 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know much about that. < 1473299230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw the Finn in Finnmark is the same word as Fin in Finland. afaik (1) there may be some finnish-norwegians ("kvener") there (2) people probably didn't consider the distinction between Finnish and Sami that important back then < 1473299251 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473299298 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473299369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw Trønnes is a "grend", which is very small, so more a village than a town. < 1473299382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473299446 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really sure where any of the boundaries are... in my mind, village/town and town/city are interchangeable, and at the same time "city" can describe pretty much anything) < 1473299488 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Meråker is a municipality. it's part of Nord-Trøndelag county. < 1473299514 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... < 1473299534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fnord in Nord, or vice versa? /s < 1473299569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the Trønnes i found (on norwegian wikipedia) is not there. it apparently has the distinction of being the first place in norway to get a home for the elderly. < 1473299582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1473299613 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: Norway has fjords, not fnords < 1473299622 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen them < 1473299627 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any fnords < 1473299632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was under the impression a fnord is a co-fjord < 1473299640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one expects you to see the fnords < 1473299643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser abbreviates titles when I have too many tabs, and it abbreviated "Grandmaster (chess) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" to "Grandma". I can't complain. < 1473299651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOH < 1473299661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How deep does afnordnia typically go? < 1473299682 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like Norway? < 1473299682 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: guile was covered a few minutes < 1473299684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, never heard of ania before. < 1473299726 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will your brain rearrange things to fill in the gap (so if you have a page where a different word on each line, and one of the words is "fnord", will you see a blank line or will all the later words move down?) < 1473299731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/down/up/ < 1473299734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think that according to some, a city needs to contain a cathedral hth < 1473299742 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works, I suppose < 1473299745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bigger than a city? < 1473299752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Trønnes in Hedmark has only about 100 families < 1473299760 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: a metropolis < 1473299770 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473299784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And above that? < 1473299788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a megalopolis < 1473299792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a gigalopolis < 1473299806 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can we define a gigalopolis as 1000000000 or more individuals?) < 1473299808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: or a city-planet like Corouscant or Trantor or Ravnica < 1473299814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1473299830 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473299921 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, keyboard is ordered, but I'll also have to buy a new computer. I'll have to choose a motherboard and stuff. < 1473299940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's dyson spheres, i guess < 1473299989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and beyond that it seems a bit hard to get a continuous city. well, not that it's easy with a dyson sphere, i think those aren't actually realistically solid? < 1473300008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ringworld, maybe. < 1473300027 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Trantor isn't realistic either < 1473300028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just need to invent scrith[sp] first) < 1473300088 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473300089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tas//TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. < 1473300127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigalo- is a little scow. you're basically taking the greek prefix megalo- (from which mega- comes), and pretending it contains a mega- prefix. < 1473300168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giganto- would be more parallel. < 1473300189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the next terato-, hm < 1473300206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1473300234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from there i'm not sure they come from genuine greek. < 1473300306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it does, but not in a useful way, peta- is from penta- < 1473300421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits tas < 1473300423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan < 1473300427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473300449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that possible. < 1473300456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg tas < 1473300458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-05-07 ` sed -i \'s/A //\' wisdom/tas \ 2016-05-07 ` mv wisdom/ta{,s}; sed -i \'s/^/A /\' wisdom/tas < 1473300463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1473300472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ta < 1473300474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan coppro < 1473300489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg ta < 1473300490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-05-07 ` mv wisdom/ta{,s}; sed -i \'s/^/A /\' wisdom/tas \ 2016-05-06 learn TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. < 1473300503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really didn't seem like my style :P < 1473300546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473300546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473300550 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473300552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms. < 1473300578 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf a dowg snack < 1473300579 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inconceivable < 1473300580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconceivable? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300583 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impossibl < 1473300584 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossibl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300584 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impossible < 1473300585 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hoag < 1473300644 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300668 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I took mega- from megalopolis and replaced it with giga- (because metric) < 1473300678 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's what i said < 1473300687 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is scow < 1473300687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1473300693 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1473300858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1473300859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mkx < 1473300863 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkx? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1473300873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1473300906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprits < 1473300907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1473300917 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It could also be terastiopolis < 1473300931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd culprits//s/the lists // < 1473300932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosebud! < 1473300949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd culprit//s/the lists // < 1473300951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/culprit//`culprits` is a program that lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1473300974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/culprit{,s} < 1473300975 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(megalo = μεγάλο = terástios = large, terastio = < 1473300975 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :τεράστιος = terástios = huge) < 1473300977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473301002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: terato- is somewhat different. hm. < 1473301042 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I did something wrong... < 1473301086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1473301092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary includes "ginormous" < 1473301110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a very cromulent word. < 1473301144 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think a lot of people don't like it < 1473301166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473301194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it says comparative is "more ginormous" and superlative is "most ginormous", when it would correctly be "ginormouser" and "ginormousest") < 1473301199 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tought it was spelled gynormous < 1473301201 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I think terato is right. I think it's greek for monster-like, and related to the same word the metric prefix tera comes from < 1473301234 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, that's a domain-specific thing used by OB/GYNs < 1473301275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, why doesn't English include the opposite of -er and -est for "more" and "most"? Something to say "less" and "least"?) < 1473301284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It MUST have historically at some point...) < 1473301355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's "mg"? <-- velarized m, maybe? < 1473301367 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so < 1473301398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, n can also be velarized, which seems confusing. < 1473301401 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think a velarized m makes sense < 1473301422 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, IPA uses a ɱ < 1473301490 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: ɱ in IPA is not a velarized m < 1473301498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, because m doesn't use the tongue to start with? but m can be palatalized... < 1473301508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, that's the problem < 1473301531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it looks like English n is the alveolar nasal < 1473301540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really good at distinguish velarization for anything but l, anyway. < 1473301558 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: [ɱ] in IPA is the the nasal stop version articulated at the same place as f, which you get from some speakers when they pronounce nf or mf < 1473301566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(God sounds are fun) < 1473301570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ŋ is the velar nasal < 1473301582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if m is the labiodental nasal... < 1473301598 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: no, it's not < 1473301608 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɱ] is the labiodental nasal < 1473301610 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no it isn't < 1473301611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1473301614 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my tabs confused < 1473301618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: most likely terastios is also related to the same word, so... < 1473301624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If m is the bilabial nasal < 1473301639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called "labiodental" because it's made with your upper teeth pressed to your lower lips, and "labio" means lips and "dent" means teeth < 1473301647 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473301650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm figuring it out < 1473301650 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names there actually make sense < 1473301660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they do < 1473301687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m' is the bilabial nasal because your lips are pushed together (in the exaggerated version you're taught in preschool) < 1473301691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, y'know, it's nasal < 1473301695 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: long words in english don't usually take -er and -est comparatives. hth. < 1473301719 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473301725 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are easy to understand because they ([m], [f], [T]) are the three common places of articulation that you can actually see easily from lip-reading ([m] only when not at the start of a word) < 1473301727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: English is my L1. I think I know the rules. hth. < 1473301736 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... I have no idea what the equivalent of ng is for m < 1473301745 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other stuff is in your mouth, so you like need X-ray to understand them < 1473301755 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-ray has been done of course, but it's not something you see every day < 1473301765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Or a mouth < 1473301774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (It MUST have historically at some point...) <-- well norwegian doesn't, and i don't remember any indoeuropean language i've seen doing so. < 1473301779 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: a what? < 1473301792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: A mou... you're messing with me < 1473301801 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1473301804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with a mouth? < 1473301812 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You need x-ray OR a mouth < 1473301838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can understand stuff without x-ray if you just pay attention to your mouth < 1473301916 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1473301951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hppavilion[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_phonology#Consonants has velarized mˠ < 1473302053 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1473302173 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading about velarised m recently because it finally answered my long-running mystery of why mh is pronounced /v/ some of the time and /w/ others < 1473302298 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473302303 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh irish distinguishes nʲ and ɲ < 1473302341 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1473302356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see the difference between the m in 'symphony' and the m in 'rum' < 1473302385 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your teeth touch your lips in the former < 1473302397 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: OH! < 1473302400 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473302406 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends a bit on dialect and personal variation i guess < 1473302433 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I was discussing that there's apparently a difference with my mother. She asked why there were labia in my nose. I had to explain the root to her.) < 1473302574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also distinguishes n̪ˠ from ŋ < 1473302702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh so the mh in your name is pronounced like w? < 1473302705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I just tried to velarize m... < 1473302708 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's horrifying < 1473302715 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no it's silent < 1473302792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1473302933 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, omh refers to another table < 1473303018 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473303089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the velarized m? "velar bilabial nasal" didn't turn up anything < 1473303095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc it lengthens the o < 1473303113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: velar and velarized are not the same thing < 1473303156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh? < 1473303160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF IPA < 1473303161 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1473303175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i don't think wikipedia has articles for all combinations with velarized... it's an adjustment you can apply to many consonants. < 1473303185 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the velarization article < 1473303197 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1473303214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: velar is primary articulation, but velarized means a secondary articulation in _addition_ to the primary one. < 1473303241 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473303243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for palatal and palatalized < 1473303301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is there any relation between n and h, or is it just similar symbols?) < 1473303314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks like no relation.) < 1473303344 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're presumably both inherited from the phoenician alphabet < 1473303365 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no relation in sounds? < 1473303449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n from Nun. apparently it descends from the egyptian symbol for snake, "djet", and was used for a sound like english J there < 1473303491 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N) < 1473303528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h from Heth, via greek Heta before that lost the H < 1473303557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, that explains why eta looks like H < 1473303561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473303581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original Semitic letter Heth most likely represented the voiceless pharyngeal fricative (ħ). The form of the letter probably stood for a fence or posts." < 1473303589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, those articles say more. < 1473303708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: anyway, n is pretty far from h in sound, and always has been. < 1473303724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1473303768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike U,V,W and Y, which all descend from the same letter hth < 1473303846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently F too < 1473303959 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first greek adapted F into a vowel Y, then latin got F with the original sound, borrowed greek Y as V, then borrowed it _again_ as Y, and then created U to distinguish when V was a vowel. < 1473303997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ſ looks too much like it's supposed to be esh < 1473304003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ʃ) < 1473304013 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Ʃ if using uppercase) < 1473304016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone created W from V, i guess. < 1473304286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually greek had both F and Y, but lost the w sound that the former represented. < 1473304307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F#History < 1473304446 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking for something similar to k, but without the sudden stop < 1473304460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wound up in Germany with the voiceless velar fricative < 1473304468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD I LOVE PHONETICS SO MUCH < 1473304548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach du lieber fonetik < 1473304589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1473304600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ach du libe phonetik < 1473304607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh argh < 1473304622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ach du liebe Phonetik < 1473304633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now food -> < 1473305204 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Is there a letter that completes n:m::h:_? I can't find any such thing, but it'd be fun to mess with people with ) < 1473305992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473306273 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473306544 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473306837 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473308225 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473310068 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473310160 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473310192 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473311232 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473311647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like wikipedia is celebrating Star Trek's 50th anniversary < 1473312142 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1473312399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473312459 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1473312732 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473312768 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473313078 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473314368 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314516 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: k < 1473314529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473314560 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical convention :) < 1473314585 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as n and m get used as variables of a similar sort, h and k sometimes do as well < 1473314620 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: i think he meant visually < 1473314669 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473314736 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like ɰ rotated 180 degrees < 1473314746 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1473314760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɰ < 1473314761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG] < 1473314773 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode M WITH < 1473314784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ UTF-8: c9 b0 UTF-16BE: 0270 Decimal: ɰ \ ɰ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ UTF-8: c9 b1 UTF-16BE: 0271 Decimal: ɱ \ ɱ (Ɱ) \ Uppercase: U+2C6E \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ < 1473314803 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode M WITH | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ UTF-8: c9 b0 UTF-16BE: 0270 Decimal: ɰ \ ɰ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ UTF-8: c9 b1 UTF-16BE: 0271 Decimal: ɱ \ ɱ (Ɱ) \ Uppercase: U+2C6E \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ < 1473314812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode M WITH | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473314827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode 'M WITH' | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ U+04CD CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH TAIL \ U+04CE CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH TAIL \ U+0616 ARABIC SMALL HIGH LIGATURE ALEF WITH LAM WITH YEH \ U+06B5 ARABIC LETTER LAM WITH SMALL V \ U+06B6 ARABIC LETTER LAM WITH DOT ABOVE \ U+06B7 ARABIC LETTER LAM WIT < 1473314847 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode 'M WITH' | grep ' M WITH' < 1473314848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK < 1473314853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1473315712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473316089 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, now I remember why I ignored HackEgo < 1473316183 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorted < 1473317043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1473317058 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ignored the unicode messages < 1473317062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1473317078 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd miss 98% of the stuff in the channel once again if I ignored it totally again < 1473317109 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to pick a couple acoustic tunes for open mic tonight < 1473318095 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473318691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( I should learn drug chemistry... ) < 1473318836 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently part of the reason anime looks the way it is is that- when it was done with cel animation- it was produced in literally the stupidest way possible < 1473318853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation is done first, then the voice actors try to sync with the movement < 1473318866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than taking the soundtrack and making it look like the characters are talking from there < 1473319874 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473320190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to release a (CGI) film branded "4D" < 1473320218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean we used math to render the entire movie in 4D (and projected down to 3D then to 2D for screen viewing) < 1473320225 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as to give the audience headaches < 1473321126 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473321884 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473322212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473322226 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473324193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473324815 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6cc1:7ef9:209c:d2dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1473325173 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8er2ydh57cmqd.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473326233 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6cc1:7ef9:209c:d2dc QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473326394 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473326416 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473327547 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473329455 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473329713 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473333373 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1473333715 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1473334400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473337423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473337547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473337716 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473338156 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5e7:f573:25ad:ff4d JOIN :#esoteric < 1473338670 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473339692 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5e7:f573:25ad:ff4d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473339700 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1473345380 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473345389 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, they REALLY made this stuff watertight. < 1473345440 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I buy stuff on PayPal, then I must pay PayPal's currency conversion fees, which are way higher than the currency conversion I can get from my bank. But there's no way to actually use the cheaper fees at the bank: < 1473345574 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can transfer money from my bank to PayPal, but if I transfer anything but HUF, then I have to pay the international bank transfer fee, even if I'm transferring from my domestic foreign currency account to Paypal's domestic account, and that fee has a high fixed minimum regardless the amount. < 1473345593 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1473345607 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I maintained a USD credit card for that exact reason < 1473345620 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays I don't buy through paypal often enough for it to matter < 1473345668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I can pay from a bank card with PayPal, but then they charge the card in the native currency of the bank card, and I can't cheaply have extra bank cards in multiple currencies, even though I totally can have _accounts_ in those currencies, for the extra cards are either inpossible or have a high monthlyfee. < 1473345733 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could save on the costs only if I transferred a large amount of money to PayPal at a single time, but for that I'd have to predict the currency I'm going to buy stuff on PayPal, and that's quite unpredictable: < 1473345746 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all my income goes through PayPal right now, and that conversion business is kind of annoying. < 1473345761 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People sell things on PayPal in USD or CAD (from Asia or America) and in GBP or EUR (from Europe). < 1473345812 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473345827 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try to change to another bank for this, for if another bank gives better conditions, I could transfer, though it could be a bit of a hassle. < 1473345838 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to go ask other banks. < 1473345871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473345904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't buy expensive stuff in PayPal, only cheap stuff. < 1473346119 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473346166 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, you aren't a face I see in here often < 1473346201 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, to be fair, might be because I don't pay attention very much < 1473346241 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because you don't see faces on irc < 1473346286 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, well, *you* don't < 1473346299 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of irc are you using? < 1473346330 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :long ago i used kvirc and it had some protocol for avatars < 1473346371 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, you could try having a really vivid imagination < 1473346381 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even d&d < 1473346465 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the extra problem is, I'm not even sure I can actually transfer currencies other than HUF to PayPal. They only give a single bank account number for transfer, and I'm not sure it's possible for a single account number to receive multiple currencies. I called their customer support, < 1473346497 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the lady said I probably can transfer other currencies, but she's not sure, and I should try. And to try, I have to pay the expensive bank transfer fee regardless the amount. < 1473346596 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, calling their customer support on phone is an international call, which also costs a shitton. < 1473346607 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: shachaf told me to join when I wrote https://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf and I just stuck around, but haven't had much occasion to say a whole lot < 1473346630 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, ooh, I hadn't seen thtat! < 1473346726 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you guys have a plan for world domination that seems better than mine and has the side effect of getting rid of this riddiculous "country" and "international" stuff, drop me a line and I might consider supporting you. < 1473346750 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I've had enough of this stupid politics, and maybe an evil dictator ruling with an iron fist could be better. < 1473346793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473346908 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, my current "esoteric" project is a property testing library called OneCheck < 1473346942 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tests each property with arbitrary input! One arbitrary input, for speed concerns < 1473346981 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473347073 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1473347099 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could take advantage of Data.Default < 1473347104 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like QuickCheck but quicker? < 1473347126 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, I'm going more arbitrary than that < 1473347140 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Taneb/acme-onecheck/blob/master/src/Test/OneCheck.hs < 1473347153 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's QC is more gratuitous speculation about how to have sex with robots. ...I guess that's fine, now the name of the comic finally makes sense. < 1473347327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473348333 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473348651 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1473349444 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473350122 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473351128 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most niche data structre I invented then forgot about: the two in one tree heap < 1473351146 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A key-key-value thingy that's search tree-ordered on one key and heap-ordered on the other < 1473351220 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do you specify 2 keys to get a value, < 1473351224 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you specify one of the two? < 1473351228 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter < 1473351305 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the worst onetime whenever possible? < 1473351342 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, assuming the keys aren't correlated, the time complexities aren't too bad < 1473352786 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473353973 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473354571 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: implement it! < 1473354599 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I'm implementing it right now < 1473354626 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1473354723 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you know how heapsort makes a heap in an array using power of two offsets... Maybe there should be something like qsort() and bsearch() that uses a heap search < 1473355034 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is the advantage? so that you don't have to maintain 2 data structures with the same data? < 1473355042 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. memory efficiency) < 1473355054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not sure there is one < 1473355165 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a data structure that doesnt exist but should < 1473355202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1473355207 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an insertion-ordered CompletionRecordDAWG < 1473355239 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directed Acyclic Wiggly Graph? < 1473355262 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a DAWG is a DAFSA < 1473355272 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed acyclic word graph < 1473355277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah < 1473355347 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a dictionary that maps string keys to ... whatever, but also can give you a list of keys that are prefixes of any string and tell you which key comes before and after a given key in insertion order < 1473357034 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473357277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473359304 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473359988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473360238 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but I'm not sure that this test suite I wrote should start swapping < 1473361232 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473361401 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473361468 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473362832 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473362977 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473363048 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473363190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473363597 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473365074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473365564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473366123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473366656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473366849 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473367784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473367824 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473367830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Can one use non-euclidean geometry when drawing perspective to get OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL drawings? ) < 1473367882 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1473368017 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368025 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Imagine a hollow cube, with inset openings on each face. Now imagine that each opening went to a different place. < 1473368035 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368037 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if that would actually scare someone... < 1473368044 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368070 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-euclidean geometry is overrated. < 1473368111 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473368122 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473368738 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473368805 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368965 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473369029 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473370503 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473371090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473371397 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473371842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371844 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring//Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1473371854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale//Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wumpus//Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti//"Ghoti" is a very fishy spelling. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :szoup//A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1473371888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that true? You invented locales? < 1473371893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you invent pointless topology? < 1473371939 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, locales I invented, but only locally < 1473371997 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never really saw the point in topology < 1473371998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you guilty of inventing frames? < 1473372010 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, someone set me up on that one < 1473372037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frame < 1473372038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. Frame homomorphisms don't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. < 1473372107 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like what you're implying there < 1473372217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1473372638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSTS is terrible but I can propose a better way: There is a menu that the user can set up arbitrary URI rewriting, and one option can set whether or not automatically adding rules is allowed (disabled by default). If automatically adding rules is allowed by the user setting, then the Strict-Transport-Security header can be used to automatically add/remove rules in this menu, except for rules which the user has locked. < 1473372738 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reporting of errors should not be done, and the user can always override the error; a setting may be provided to only enable the override after a specified number of milliseconds (something that Firefox does with download dialog boxes currently). < 1473372828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The setting for HPKP should be separate, and if enabled, then when there is error the user should be given the options: "Bypass", "New Context", "Change Settings", "Edit HPKP Data", "View Report", "Send Report". < 1473373228 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473373247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the semantics of "insert" should be on a treap < 1473373337 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8er2ydh57cmqd.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473373402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1473373428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose Jool just rose in the east. you're moving 175 m/s east, so toward Jool. on the other side of kerbin, jool is setting in the west, so the other ship will be moving at 175 m/s away from jool. hence, relative to a ship on the other side of Kerbin, you are moving at 350 m/s. < 1473373441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, wrong channel < 1473373462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a treap is a purely functional data structure (I am writing this in Haskell) that is a binary tree that is heap ordered by one key and tree ordered by another < 1473373516 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if insert should clobber other entries with the same tree-ordering key < 1473373528 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by tree-ordered I mean ordered like a binary search tree) < 1473373556 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I take it that the semimajor and inclanation of the two orbits are the same < 1473373685 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: at least for the purposes of mutual docking < 1473373695 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473373729 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473374002 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473374184 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473374250 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473375132 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376561 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376584 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1473376615 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualifications to be here: I spent a day of work trying to command an FTP server to join IRC and talk in a channel < 1473376617 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473376620 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473376697 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1473376713 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote an irc client in ftp? < 1473376733 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... sounds weird < 1473376745 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP is pretty weird. < 1473376748 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, didn't you write a compiler in Bash < 1473376763 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but it compiles brainfuck to bash < 1473376770 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does several optimizations < 1473376786 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard, optimizations aside < 1473376840 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to implement the fancy brainfuck optimization thingy I thought up to see if it actually works < 1473376850 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1473376912 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use FTP from client C to transfer files from server A to server B without passing through C (and without collecting $200). < 1473376916 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it a while back, I think, basically stuff like [->+++>++>-<<] can be turned into b += a * 3; c += a * 2; d -= a; a = 0 < 1473376920 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376929 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then extending that to nested loops < 1473376953 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mine does that but nesting isn't too trivial < 1473376967 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in some circumstances become quadratics, etc < 1473377017 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sending commands to an FTP server that made it use an IRC server as a place to send the contents of a file to. < 1473377029 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's skipping a lot of detail, but I hope it condenses things enough.) < 1473377045 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you succeed, though? < 1473377063 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly one server I tried requires replying to "PING a_new_value" with "PONG a_new_value" < 1473377071 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've heard they do that. < 1473377086 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that because I'd need to know a_new_value when constructing the payload to send to the FTP server. < 1473377104 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, since that's exactly why they do that. < 1473377107 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Freenode's does, though. < 1473377147 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode did something different. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't join channels here. < 1473377172 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could set a nick, and see that freenode thought I was connected, but the FTP server couldn't actually join a channel. < 1473377182 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas running it myself using netcat did work. < 1473377196 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something I hope Taneb might help me play with when he's back. < 1473377351 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473377361 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome is planning to deprecate HTTP/0.9 for somewhat similar cross-protocol confusion reasons. < 1473377872 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1473377922 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does your nick sound vaguely familiar, _46bit... < 1473378008 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1473378012 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :#herbstluftwm < 1473378023 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1473378034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _46bit < 1473378036 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06_46bit: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1473378037 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must admit, I didn't get much further than very enjoying it < 1473378039 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1473378044 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1473378046 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473378071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Are you the person Taneb mentioned? < 1473378079 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing some very complex cybersecurity teaching things all summer, and getting to know that too was more than I had mindspace for < 1473378085 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb may have mentioned me. < 1473378097 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :however Taneb knows many more people than me. < 1473378110 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, _46bit was indeed the person I mentioned < 1473378113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is well-known around here. < 1473378113 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one singular personb < 1473378116 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was actually a little unnerving: < 1473378117 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ci51ntp6cmfiei/Screenshot%202016-09-08%2023.40.50.png?dl=0 < 1473378121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a Glaswegian inventor, I think? < 1473378130 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of red and rainbows! < 1473378139 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome _46bit < 1473378140 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1473378142 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473378163 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, I already thought the word "botloop" < 1473378168 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away from the keyboard < 1473378185 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see me poking around HackEgo, kindly kick me < 1473378188 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473378231 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many bots here, and many botloops already achieved. < 1473378233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1473378233 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1473378238 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1473378244 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473378245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473378269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You invented Tanebventions? I didn't know that. < 1473378322 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, where does it say that? < 1473378324 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented Taneb < 1473378334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's in the list. < 1473378362 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am curious what Taneb mentioned about me. But that risks dropping Taneb in it, so to speak. < 1473378370 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473378442 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he mentioned that you were using an FTP client to connect to an IRC server, for one. < 1473378446 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473378455 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you know everyone < 1473378459 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473378462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no < 1473378467 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you also know kline at least < 1473378478 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have met kline on at least two occasions < 1473378485 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps three! < 1473378490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you know anyone you don't know? < 1473378501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar < 1473378503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service that allows nerds to talk about the weather. < 1473378503 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1473378520 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1473378521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd metar//s#that#Taneb invented &# < 1473378523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/metar//metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather. < 1473378525 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, three, yes < 1473378542 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice with keir and once with GTMU < 1473378610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I met kline even once. < 1473378623 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's your fault for being in California < 1473378628 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither did I, yet < 1473378629 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1473378634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly is in California? < 1473378637 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1473378653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe FireFly ought to move to California. < 1473378654 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473378659 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good excuse for not meeting kline. < 1473378666 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1473378673 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's concievable you've met _46bit though! < 1473378678 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm more likely to meet kline than move to California, in the foreseeable future < 1473378698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How would that happen? < 1473378708 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, explain! < 1473378749 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent some time YCstartupping in Palo Alto back in 2012-13. < 1473378759 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what Taneb is referring to. < 1473378760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1473378766 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived in East Palo Alto at the time. < 1473378800 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is YCstartupping different from regular startupping? < 1473378812 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, out by the marshes and things? < 1473378812 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473378827 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get lots of egostroking and free stuff, for one < 1473378836 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :although free stuff has become more widely available since < 1473378837 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever heard about Dreamforge. < 1473378847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived right on the border of PA and EPA. < 1473378853 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I'm being researched. < 1473378880 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard little about EPA other than that they have a lot of work to do near where I lived. < 1473378884 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Wrong EPA. < 1473378884 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, within half an hour of me joining this channel they guessed the small town I lived in < 1473378894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Berkeley now. < 1473378907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get lots of egostroking and free stuff, please? < 1473378943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian < 1473378944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1473378947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1473378948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico < 1473378957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473378973 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had mentioned a) it was in Northumberland, and b) it was raining heavily < 1473378987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? northumberland < 1473378988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1473378994 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess which settlement in the midwest I've visited? < 1473378998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits northumberland < 1473379000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull Taneb < 1473379013 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is Jackson Hole even midwest? it's kinda west. < 1473379027 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, I went to the midwest once! It was before I went to California < 1473379028 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was three < 1473379056 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you went to the midwest three? < 1473379063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you go to Minnesota? < 1473379069 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the hateful eight but as children? < 1473379077 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am not sure, on account of being three < 1473379080 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very possible, though < 1473379098 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, we did go to Montana, if that helps < 1473379138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: When will you be in California again? < 1473379147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can deliver certain items to Taneb. < 1473379160 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as I graduat--oh no, Taneb is here, I can't tell y'all that < 1473379161 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, looking at a map, it's very unlikely I went to Minnesota < 1473379197 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric