< 1473379201 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering options post-graduation. If H1Bs were easier to acquire I would most surely be coming over to Boston or California. < 1473379202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming I think < 1473379206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be sure to convey that information to shachaf, looking at a map. < 1473379215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about shachaf, looking at a computer? < 1473379224 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to get an O1 before I parted ways with the startup, but that's not such an option now. < 1473379225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: None of those seem very midwestern to me. < 1473379233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Why not get an O-1 now? < 1473379240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US visas are scow. < 1473379247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the midwest is a lot further east than I thought < 1473379274 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's west of the midwest? < 1473379281 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, midwest includes chicago right? < 1473379281 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the west < 1473379290 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have Mountain Time < 1473379295 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mountain west of the midwest? < 1473379342 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I saw the four headed president, trapped in the rock < 1473379344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things are west of the midwest. < 1473379348 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :President Rushmore < 1473379369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: California is pretty good. < 1473379378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: You could get a J-1 probably? < 1473379384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you already had one. < 1473379392 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fascinating place as a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. < 1473379414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"public-school" means the opposite in the UK and in the US, right? < 1473379416 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, is that public school in the British sense or the American sense < 1473379423 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to J-1. I need to examine my options very carefully soon. < 1473379445 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US seems unlikely, and yet a few people seem at risk of launching a campaign to acquire me. < 1473379449 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379455 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already get photobooks of Cambridge, MA in the post. < 1473379461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Maybe if you get your FTP IRC client working they'll give you an O-1 based on that accomplishment. < 1473379484 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if only the world works that way :D which, honestly, I think it does. < 1473379487 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to look to see where I'd like to do postgrad < 1473379493 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the UK sense < 1473379511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: move to california with _46bit hth < 1473379606 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn _46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1473379608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '_46bit': _46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1473379712 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379751 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I predate Taneb < 1473379757 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland? Is that like a Numberwang? < 1473379758 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as y'all're concerned < 1473379761 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1473379796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You predate Taneb? < 1473379805 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented a lot of things that predated him < 1473379807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs to go on the wall < 1473379812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: yes, many irc servers other than freenode require a pong to start your connection. sometimes they even send a NOTICE to you about it so you can PONG manually even if your irc client is stupid. < 1473379814 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't underestimate the power of inventions < 1473379817 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tanebventions < 1473379821 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, a lot of things predate Taneb < 1473379828 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go < 1473379829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common irregular verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes catching monsters in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1473379830 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people in here except for maybe Phantom_Hoover predate Taneb < 1473379855 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems a most charming place. < 1473379855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379856 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no idea how predatey most people in here are < 1473379862 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :With charming people. < 1473379867 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a curious place < 1473379868 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1473379869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1473379910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi! < 1473379922 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the usual nilfisk stuff) < 1473379926 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I forgot AUD among the currencies. < 1473379939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps _46bit is Taneb's natural predator. < 1473379957 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a pretty good idea. Freenode did not, but I'm convinced the system blocked my attempt some other way. I need to watch the traffic with wireshark or something to see what happened. < 1473379958 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, _46bit has had many opportunities to eat me and as far as I am aware has not yet < 1473379977 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe every time I eat Taneb, a nested universe begins. < 1473379979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't we all < 1473379985 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? universe < 1473379986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe is a poem in one stanza. < 1473380004 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prng < 1473380005 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prng? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473380009 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's maybe four people in here I've met in person? < 1473380021 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: did you use a generic nickname that's not registered on freenode? and did you make sure your USER and NICK lines (and any other optional lines you sent) were formed correctly? < 1473380026 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the same city as fizzie for a little bit last December but I don't think I saw him < 1473380043 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm heading to bed < 1473380044 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1473380058 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I piped the exact same commands into netcat and it succeeded. < 1473380083 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: hmm < 1473380094 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all sorts of reasons that isn't an identical test to abusing ProFTPD, of course. < 1473380107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've met at least four people here in person, not including myself. < 1473380134 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: maybe the ftp middle host you used was banned, or their open proxy scanner automatically detects open ftp servers that are so dumb as to connect to them < 1473380156 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1473380168 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was building a learnign exercise to be used in UK Computer Science courses. To demonstrate abusing services for scanning a private network, I reincarnated the FTP Bounce exploit into ProFTPD. http://www.ouah.org/ftpbounce.html < 1473380176 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If anyone's curious.) < 1473380186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 46 bits? < 1473380188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 64-46 < 1473380190 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 < 1473380195 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Nope, it was all local, behind NAT. < 1473380222 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the machine has the ftp server connected to an identd in such a way that the identd tells freenode not to believe anything the connection from ftp says. < 1473380223 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a reason but it seems I'll have to watch the network traffic to know what - too many possible variables. < 1473380262 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :46bit arose from me as a teenager needing an online handle I liked < 1473380266 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and swapping 64bit around < 1473380277 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finding the resulting nick used nowhere < 1473380299 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, '46bit' is available < 1473380302 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you ought to group it < 1473380306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it starts with a digit. < 1473380310 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1473380311 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1473380320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can't change to nicks that start with a digit, you can only get them when the server sets one on you < 1473380334 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occasionally gets taken on super-populated communities, so I resort to 0x2Ebit in those cases < 1473380336 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they do only for a nick collision when servers connect after a netsplit < 1473380356 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's a shame, but the IRC RFC does specify no opening digit < 1473380360 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it'd set an erroneous nickname even in that case < 1473380364 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone in #cs-york checked for me) < 1473380376 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: the IRC RFC specifies a lot of things that actual servers don't hold < 1473380381 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, I know < 1473380394 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been lots of changes and differences between networks < 1473380397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and few documentation < 1473380402 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I found a place where I didn't need the underscore, but I'm much less willing to experiment < 1473380422 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZNC and irssi have too many commands and things for me to want to fiddle < 1473380423 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that when I want to find out something about irc, the best way is usually to ask on #freenode, which has people who know more about it < 1473380431 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473380452 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some things I can just try < 1473380506 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of my questions are untestable, because they concern unlikely scenarios, like ordering between multiple servers or behavior at netsplits < 1473380508 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why the hell is there a "Woman's Grandmaster" FIDE title? < 1473380538 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in athletics, gender-segregation makes some degree of sense because men are naturally better-equipped for athletic tasks because evolution < 1473380552 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Chess is as far from athletic as you get, so why is there a woman's grandmaster title? < 1473380566 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: tradition. chess had gender differences because people simply refused to teach high level chess to women < 1473380574 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1473380576 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days there's much less difference < 1473380581 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could an AI be eligible for it? < 1473380588 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And worse, normal GM isn't gender restricted; WGM is only for women, AND it has a lower barrier of entry < 1473380600 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's basically "we'll make this easier for you because you're a girl" < 1473380608 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sexist to BOTH genders < 1473380623 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: no, there's separate categories for chess by just computers and for chess by computer combined with humans. they're needed because humans are now much weaker in chess than computers. < 1473380738 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr Judith Polgar being one of the few women to be successful at the ordinary GM < 1473380764 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, and she refused to take the WGM title too < 1473380768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Judit Polgár < 1473380777 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she had a policy of only playing in non-gender-segregated tournaments) < 1473380794 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL titles stack in german < 1473380824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned that quite a while ago, from irregular webcomic! < 1473380856 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when colonel Haken tried to greet the eldest Jones properly) < 1473380913 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course that turned into an Overly Long Gag) < 1473380950 0 :Effilry!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1473380999 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 615 seconds < 1473381024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoerjan < 1473381028 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, does copying Susan B. Anthony still work these days? < 1473381077 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider this a most successful entry into #esoteric. < 1473381078 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I find more to talk about tomorrow. < 1473381080 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473381082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember who that is < 1473381108 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony < 1473381109 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, His Holy Eminence Brother Miss Doctor Reverend-Deacon Pastor-Priest Pope Cardinal Arch|+Bishop Sensei Saint Jones." < 1473381114 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: you could find less, and idle harder < 1473381118 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The three-and-a-halfth" < 1473381121 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an American < 1473381163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list of wikipedia references that Judit Polgár is the strongest female player of all time is ridiculously long :P < 1473381166 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I tend to cull idle IRC channels. My irssi theme doesn't work so well with them. < 1473381189 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: this is not an idle channel, with or without you < 1473381205 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: nothing wrong with idling in an nonidle channel when you don't have anything to say < 1473381249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`adieu _46bit < 1473381250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: adieu: not found < 1473381251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473381263 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should implement that < 1473381270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal had rendering issues < 1473381281 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hehe, now I'm reminded to that stupid channel with a bot that kicks everyone if they're idle for 24 hours (that's also the channel that used to use a byte encoding, but they changed to utf-8 later, and I think stopped that stupid bot) < 1473381288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess made it look like i really like charles schwab corporation < 1473381314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kept showing "schw" < 1473381335 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...well it looked fine here < 1473381346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473381389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: actually it was "The Honourable Herr Schliemannian Chair Professor Doktor Doktor Jones, CBE, DCM, JP, FRS" hth < 1473381411 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doctor Doctor? < 1473381421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1347.html < 1473381442 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that what happens when you have 2 different doktorates?) < 1473381462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsointopia < 1473381574 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, can we just call that one King James "King James III,V"? < 1473381595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: yep < 1473381601 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or III & I/II) < 1473381659 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The one who was James I in England and James VI in Scotland < 1473381680 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do we still have to 2-numbers royals named "James" after James 2-numbers?) < 1473381744 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: he's got two doctorates, per http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1323.html , but I think the usual real-life way to get "Doctor" twice in your name is to be a women, get a doctorate, marry a men who has a doctorate, and take his name. < 1473381745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: you know that some people think the current queen should use I in scotland, too? < 1473381765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case the two "Doctor" aren't adjacent though < 1473381805 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Or be a man who changes /his/ name < 1473381833 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like I told my sister any man she marries has to do; he changes his name.) < 1473381842 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: No, being married to a Doctor doesn't make you a Doctor < 1473381875 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean something like "Mr. & Ms. Dr. Smith", which I don't think is really correct < 1473381897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably considered correct at one time. < 1473381928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays it sounds rather antifeminist < 1473381949 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EXCELLENT < 1473381951 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem < 1473381952 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1473381977 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you would usually say "Mr. & Ms. Smith", but one (or both) has a doctorate, are you supposed to do "Dr. & Ms. Smith"/"Mr. & Dr. Smith"/"Dr. and Dr. Smith" (though in the last case, I think "Drs. Smith" would be considered correct)) < 1473382019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think giving up and screaming is the correct approach there < 1473382062 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I think Dr. and Dr. would be most appropriate < 1473382073 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473382090 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: & works too, but Drs. is just awesome < 1473382152 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Similarly, gay-married couples could be "Mss. Smith-Jones" or "Mrs. Smi"- oh, wait, the "Mrs." is a problem) < 1473382236 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a fan of Dr*. as well < 1473382248 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dr. Dr*. Smith" < 1473382260 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: i don't think Drs. is standard except in the cases that all their last names are different. E.g. in a medical practice of "Drs. Smith, Klaxon, Blzzxxt, and Jones" < 1473382276 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well yeah, but it's so fun to say < 1473382280 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doctors Smith" < 1473382285 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1473382291 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's fun < 1473382292 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awkward < 1473382313 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I'm quite sure some people here do have a Dr. in their name just because their husband has such a title. that doesn't make them a Doctor, but they have it in their name before the part of the name they took from their husband. < 1473382353 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though we aren't speaking German so prefixes usually don't stack, some prefixes in English do stack (e.g. "Rv. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."), and Dr*. is put on the same level as Dr. and Rv. for that) < 1473382365 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I think Drs. Smith and Smith would be fine < 1473382387 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That works too, but "A & A" is just "A" < 1473382394 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic boolean. < 1473382398 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fnord) < 1473382403 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: good thing names aren't booleans < 1473382407 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: Heinlein's novel ''The Rolling Stones'' has Mr. Stone (the husband) and Dr. Stone (the mother). < 1473382420 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1473382437 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this isn't even getting into metadoctors (Mdr.) < 1473382458 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That books has at least two completely names for six out of the seven main characters, used depending on who calls them that, and it's not explained at the start which names name the same people, so it was horibbly confusing to me < 1473382505 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For those logreading: Dr*. is read "Co-doctor" and is a title automatically given to the spouse of a doctor, and is on the same priority level as Dr., so a doctor married to another doctor would be "Dr. Dr.* Smith") < 1473382544 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most confusing part is that the twin brothers, who are approximately 16 years old, are called Castor and Pollux, but they call each other the nicknames Grandpa and Junior. < 1473382545 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Was this intentional? < 1473382553 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I don't know. < 1473382580 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no, maybe others pick it up more easily < 1473382617 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, calling a 16 year old boy "Grandpa" and another one "Junior" (when he has a 4 year old brother) in a book without explanation is confusing < 1473382629 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe there should be an opposite of Dr. with an inherently bad connotation that's given to the child of a doctor. The only way to lose it is to get a doctorate yourself.) < 1473382632 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it does make sense for the twins to call them that < 1473382639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing for the readers < 1473382649 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It sounds like this was intentional < 1473382658 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, that it was MEANT to confuse you < 1473382674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I dunno, I never know with Heeinlein < 1473382984 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473382991 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473383288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: being the child of a doctor may be hard, but you just have to be patient < 1473383344 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes oerjan's swatter and swats em with it ----###
< 1473383378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my swatter, it's the wrong size hth < 1473383381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not my < 1473383394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid keyboard goblins < 1473383619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1473383619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "you know that some people think the current queen should use I in scotland, too?" => it seems crazy that the queen is bound by so many traditions that people would even debate this, rather than thinking that the queen has the right to get herself called whatever she wants. < 1473383653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> Today's QC is more gratuitous speculation about how to have sex with robots. ...I guess that's fine, now the name of the comic finally makes sense. <-- this comment was confusing coming right after a discussion of QuickCheck < 1473383753 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, "Gentleman" specifically refers to a man of "good, courteous conduct" (and lady to the female counterpart) < 1473383757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this is britain. the monarchy is made of pure unadulterated traditions hth < 1473383779 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I know < 1473383782 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would you use "Ladies and Gentlemen" when referring to a crowd where some members are not of good, courteous conduct? < 1473383795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens in other monarchies too < 1473383797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ladies, gentlemen, and scoundrels < 1473383813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some comedians must have done that < 1473383828 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's QC again? < 1473383852 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473383853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a webcomic with somewhat questionable content < 1473383925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how many government institutes before 1914 were called "K & K" because the king is the emperor of Austria and the king of Hungary < 1473383978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after 1914 for a while I think < 1473384038 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the Steward of Gondor stuff < 1473384104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc finland still has laws that refer to kejsaren, aka the tsar or russia < 1473384176 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here documents referred to the People's Republic for a while until they could rename everything < 1473384188 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I'm getting a little confused. Is the correct spelling "bear with me" or "bare with me" when not saying "let's go be bears"?) < 1473384211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: the former i think. < 1473384221 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1473384224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're stripping. < 1473384230 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes "Bear with me" so much less funny < 1473384232 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now < 1473384388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm possibly finland cleaned that up eventually too. i'm having trouble finding evidence. < 1473384390 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473384417 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the coat of arms used to be present in a lot of places here, on official documents and government buildings and all the primary schools; but when the Republic was established, there were lots of more urgent stuff to do than to replace the signs everywhere, < 1473384425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1269/is-it-bear-or-bare-with-me < 1473384437 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a while you could see the People's Republic coat of arms on lots of buildings still. < 1473384520 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's been done long ago though, you can't find the old coat of arms or mentions of "People's Republic" anywhere. Instead they're replacing "Állami" to "Nemzeti" in the names of lots of institutions now. < 1473384822 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a Hat of Legs < 1473385418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473385419 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms. < 1473385446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? axiom of choice < 1473385447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom of choice? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473385452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor < 1473385459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: math//s/y,/y, locales,/ < 1473385460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473385468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? locale < 1473385469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1473385483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom axiom < 1473385484 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ // < 1473385518 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits axiom of choice < 1473385520 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473385535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: math//s/the axiom of choice, // < 1473385538 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473385557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see stated policy in the logs. < 1473385806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : HSTS is terrible but I can propose a better way: There is a menu that the user can set up [...] <-- i'll state (reiterate?) what i consider obvious: the entire point of HSTS is to provide the right default for users who haven't thought carefully about their security. thus requiring a menu to enable it completely misses the purpose. < 1473385839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473385846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swap point and purpose above < 1473385858 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's kind of funny that UC wanted to make emoji more representative of race (because someone was doing it wrong by using actual skin colors) < 1473385867 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they added Fitzpatrick markup < 1473385891 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they merged type 1 and type 2 (the two that would be classified as "white") into a single one < 1473385944 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "funny" I mean "a tiny bit racist, but of the variety that a non-white person could complain about but a white person can't, even to people they can complain about more overt racism to" < 1473385961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course a menu to adjust/disable it might be useful for power users. < 1473386076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hppavilion[2] doesn't get to discuss PC issues more than twice a week... ) < 1473386086 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was never a rule < 1473386097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's in . o O ( ) hth < 1473386119 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happening in a hypothetical world where i'm less patient hth < 1473386132 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey should add a Hitler Emoji. With the note that you're required to support ALL fitzpatricks or not use it at all < 1473386151 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to insult Hitler even though he's already dead < 1473386347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure insulting hitler actually helps with anything other than feeling smug. < 1473386354 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473386622 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473386755 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473386868 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: it is probably not only expensive, but impossible for me to do a bank transfer in foreign currency to PayPal. < 1473387235 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: really? I haven't had any trouble paying things in rubles or USD on paypal < 1473387401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1473387451 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I can shop in other currencies by PayPal, but PayPal charges my card in HUF, so I pay PayPal's very expensive currency change rates rather than my bank's much cheaper rates < 1473387484 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it seems like the bank can offer such cheap currency conversion rates because it's practically impossible to actually do anything with those rates without additional high charges < 1473387508 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's false < 1473387533 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can most certainly pay with a bank card on a POS terminal in a foreign country to get the cheap rates. < 1473387568 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't use the cheap rates to shop online with PayPal, for which I'd like to pay in GBP or other currencies. < 1473387628 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spot_the_cow.gif < 1473387740 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the cow < 1473387741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473387743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473387760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1473387917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wait, do all cows turn spherical when in a vacuum? ) < 1473388077 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473388113 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, it's a cow named "Spot" < 1473388126 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1473388137 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( The Pope, at some point (it was Urban VIII apparently), declared the rules for how religious titles correspond to monarchical titles (Pope = King, Cardinal = Prince, and presumably Archbishop|Bishop = Archduke|Duke. Not sure where it goes from there.)
< 1473388149 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if there was an academic equivalent < 1473388263 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what observable effect does that correspondence have? < 1473388391 0 :Effilry!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1473388395 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not really sure? < 1473388447 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473388583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: table sittings hth < 1473388679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*positions < 1473388894 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473388910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How can I get lots of egostroking and free stuff, please? <-- you live in berkeley, isn't that ego stroking enough? < 1473388928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1473388978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a berkeleyan would be the last to understand. < 1473389364 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473391212 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473391381 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473392481 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It can be enabled by default if you want to I suppose, but I think it shouldn't be. (Anyways I would want to use the web browser program which is for the experts only, because the other ones just aren't so good) < 1473393540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473393626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it looks like the spammers have taken a break < 1473393661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often do that < 1473393669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made filter 9 a little less restrictive recently < 1473393677 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that < 1473393681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because legitimate users were failing at reading comprehension < 1473393703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of them are still failing at bothering to complete it < 1473393709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so it seems) < 1473393752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could possibly get fizzie to disable anonymous editing in the site config? because it's effectively disabled anyway < 1473393753 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except the users seem to have taken a break too. < 1473393762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a quiet time for the Internet in general < 1473393773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure why, but most of the other online forums I've been in have also seen a lull in activity < 1473393773 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473393785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be that people are on holiday < 1473393817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah if we're keeping anonymous editing disabled, it's better to stop people before they've composed an edit < 1473393847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could try disabling filter 9 for a bit and turning it back on the next time there's a spam attack? < 1473393854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i assume it's school/colleges picking up? < 1473393856 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not checking Esolang regularly any more < 1473393869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a little too early for that < 1473393878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that normally causes an increase rather than reduction in activity < 1473393888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "september surge" is a good time for recruiting people to online communities < 1473393893 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem with that is that we still haven't got an emergency halt button. < 1473393932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie was looking a bit into better filtering, but i think he only got as far as upgrading the wiki < 1473393942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think an emergency stop button would be useful < 1473393954 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odds that someone who knows where it is is online at the same time as the spammers are fairly low < 1473393996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we'd have to advertize it a bit < 1473394021 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, *s < 1473394036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a rare show of solidarity, both British English and American English spell advertise with an s in all forms." < 1473394058 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's one of the only consistently -ise words < 1473394068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's because it has a different etymology from the others < 1473394087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, "advertise" doesn't really mean "make into an advert", but "make an advert about" < 1473394104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and "advert" is IIRC an abbreviation for "advertisement" rather than the /stem/ of "advertisement") < 1473394124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : could be that people are on holiday <-- i think some countries have holidays at about this time, because the middle of summer is too hot for travelling or something. < 1473394245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, that also applies to destinations. < 1473394289 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I tried to look up the etymology of "advert" on Wiktionary and my ad blocker blocked it < 1473394297 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1473394342 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to add an exception, I just found it amusing (and confusing before I figured out what was going on) < 1473394406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems that "advertise" and "advertisement", although they share a root historically, diverged more recently than they were imported into English < 1473394429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the most likely theory about the spelling of "advertise" is that it was influenced by that of "advertisement" < 1473394444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diverged before they were imported into English < 1473394444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473394534 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2e4K9Jvug < 1473394580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to stop clicking on \oren\'s links
< 1473394591 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have exceedingly diverging music tastes < 1473394824 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn to be incredibly adverse to following links on IRC, like I am < 1473394828 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a while I had my client block them altogether) < 1473394866 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client doesn't follow links, i have to cut and paste them. < 1473394954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's inside putty < 1473394987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow links from any random newbie < 1473395032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do look at the domain. i'd probably not follow url shorteners unless i'm told what it is. < 1473395279 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473395654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow YouTube links or URL shortener links, in general < 1473395687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about links to YouTube's URL shortener (youtu.be)? < 1473395711 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch YouTube < 1473395714 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.kamogo.com/17 < 1473395723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what? < 1473395854 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that doesn't even work properly < 1473396373 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473396427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pGuu8QMk6E < 1473396985 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473397128 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td-ZUm9Pixc < 1473397237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a url shortener that runs some sort of distributed computing thing before redirecting < 1473397261 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as a DDOS attack < 1473397279 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because that's what anyone wants with a url shortner < 1473397289 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :3s latency before being redirected < 1473397294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you obviously would at first only redirect < 1473397315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on DDOS day.... < 1473397353 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a wednesday? < 1473397356 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a wednesday < 1473397375 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is friday < 1473397442 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well, maybe you would track usage patterns before DDOS day, then schedule it for the day of the week with highest usage < 1473397446 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473397489 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many url shorteners have some letency while they show advertizements < 1473397494 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Quit: bibibi < 1473397506 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never click them < 1473397596 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473399099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have suggested before, to put texts of Magic: the Gathering cards into computer as RDF data (for example "Counter target spell" may become [:counter [:target :spell]]); this might then compile into something else to implement game in computer, or may be interpreted to implement game in computer. However, another advantage of this which was not the original point of it, is that you might make SPARQL queries to search for cards by effect instead o < 1473399106 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1473400099 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473401445 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473403136 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473405381 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473405947 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473407051 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473407416 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473407483 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473408058 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473408193 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473408507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1473409219 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473409859 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a LL parser be extended so that right sides of productions can be DFAs? How does this affect what it is capable of recognizing? < 1473410353 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473410356 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473410487 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473410777 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473411165 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1cbc:d916:14c0:6bcf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473412190 0 :_46bit!?@? NICK :\46bit < 1473412218 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did not know one could backslash instead of underscore
< 1473412388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ is upper-case | in IRC. < 1473412398 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473412753 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1473412948 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1473413024 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1473413133 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1473413773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME TANEB < 1473413775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TANEB: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: . (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON EFNET OR DALNET.) < 1473413798 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not be so loud I've only just woken up < 1473413878 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`RELCOME TANEB < 1473413879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: RELCOME: not found < 1473413887 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a good thing < 1473413900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\46bit: please be respectful of Taneb's wishes twh < 1473413930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473413931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473413938 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-) < 1473413939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? histogram < 1473413941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them. < 1473413958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the reals < 1473413960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. < 1473413963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473413969 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I didn't realize filter 9 effectively disables anonymous editing; turning it off "properly" SGTM. < 1473413970 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473413972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambek's lemma < 1473413973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lambek, states that initial algebras have inverses. < 1473413974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I didn't realize filter 9 effectively disables anonymous editing; turning it off "properly" SGTM. < 1473413974 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473413997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do non-Google people use "SGTM"? < 1473414008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Non-Google Chrome developers do. < 1473414013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, but then someone in another channel said it was a Google thing. < 1473414017 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? SGTM < 1473414018 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sergeant Mustard < 1473414023 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1473414026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway for years my sister thought it meant "silently giggling to myself". < 1473414045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :She thought I was laughing at her whenever anything good happened. < 1473414106 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate < 1473414152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome people don't count. < 1473414188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? klein bottles < 1473414189 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ klein bottles? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473414193 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? klein bottle < 1473414194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ klein bottle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473414197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473414201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i klein wisdom < 1473414201 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Internet, it's general "Internet slang", but I have to say I don't recall hearing it much (if at all) pre-Google. < 1473414209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math:Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. \ wisdom/klein bottle:A Klein bottle is like a torus, but more insidious. Taneb tried to invent it, but got trapped inside. < 1473414221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, double space. < 1473414247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone can get trapped inside a klein bottle it's me < 1473414248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan was that pun truly an accident? twh < 1473414324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1473414325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1473414710 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In my logs there are 31 instances of 'sgtm', all but two of which are from #esoteric; most are from >= 2105, but there's 6 from 2013 (4x shachaf, 2x kmc); the two non-#esoteric instances are from ##c and #nethack. < 1473414718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can deduce anything from that. < 1473414764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I need a full-text index for my logs, the query was SO SLOW.) < 1473414870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an extra data center hth < 1473414993 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should switch to logging protos, then I'd be more motivated to build tools for browsing them. < 1473415023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, I tend to just grep over the raw files instead of even querying the db. < 1473415040 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why that's a problem, but it feels like a problem. < 1473415071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good tool to run various queries on a proto-based log format? < 1473415082 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dremel, I guess. < 1473415087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I can use. < 1473415218 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is one. Uh, upload it into Storage and use BigQuery? (I think that's just Dremel.) < 1473415313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I can run locally. < 1473415326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think there was one either, but I was hoping to be wrong. < 1473415389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should probably be something jq-like for protos. < 1473415461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473415632 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole "not self-describing" thing makes that a little less appealing. < 1473415890 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a silly script that runs daily to fetch account balances for my pay-as-you-go phone account (they're very bad at providing any records), it writes the results into sqlite but for some unfathomable reason (temporary insanity?) also logs in protos. < 1473416195 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still like to advocate brainfuck interpreters where the cells are in Z/pZ for some prime p < 1473416242 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like p = 127 or 257 for this) < 1473416311 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7giqbv3mfhygs.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473416399 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite figure out what that would look like, Taneb. < 1473416444 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473416462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\46bit, basically, it'd mean that balanced loops that don't contain , on the conditional cell either always halt or never halt < 1473416480 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can decide this at compile time < 1473416519 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(balanced with regards to < and >, that is each iteration tests the same cell) < 1473416571 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Z/nZ is a field! :D < 1473416628 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a surjective homomorphism from the algebraic-structure-describing-the-increment-operation from the naturals to it < 1473416651 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is useful for brainfuck < 1473416661 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that might in fact be a monoid homomorphism but I am not sure) < 1473416683 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So does [[-]>,[-<+>]<] always halt or not? It doesn't contain a , on the conditional cell, and is balanced. < 1473416738 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm. < 1473416748 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not always halt or not < 1473416754 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have rethink slightly < 1473416791 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add the condition "Does not contain a nested loop affecting the conditional cell" < 1473417465 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I'm listening to a talk about Malbolge... < 1473417656 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473417803 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473418213 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difficult task of writing a general program in Malbolge was completed for real in 2005 by Hisashi Iizawa, Toshiki Sakabe, Masahiko Sakai, Keiichirou Kusakari, and Naoki Nishida." ... I had not realized that I know two of these people. < 1473418245 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Masahiko Sakai is the speaker) < 1473419296 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1473425538 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473426072 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473427495 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473427546 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1473427819 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473427868 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART #esoteric : < 1473428370 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1cbc:d916:14c0:6bcf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473428602 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473429885 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473431230 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473432933 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge Unshackled14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49698&oldid=47353 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+129) 10/* External resources */ Link to Brainfuck interpreter proving Turing-completeness < 1473433117 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473433174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Malbranche14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49699&oldid=47305 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+162) 10Work on Malbolge Unshackled < 1473433361 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473433362 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473433623 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473434224 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473434757 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I was going through self-hosting file storage solutions, and the 2 good ones required PHP, one of which had an unexplained libselinux dependency. And they all require that you have a device with enough storage capacity for all the files. < 1473435110 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473435204 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473435584 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-repszpdpotvwrdad QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1473435598 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473436260 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473436765 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473437066 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "device with enough storage capacity for all the files", I was referring to the server. Just realized that might be ambiguous. Nowadays, servers tend to have less space than the clients...) < 1473437210 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473437515 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you consider the most important feature to implement in a df like after digging? < 1473437559 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats < 1473437574 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then again, I'm insane) < 1473437583 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and/or like cats. pick any 1.) < 1473437600 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to say workshops < 1473438025 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-odagcpnkuudahyae JOIN :#esoteric < 1473439036 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: objects that can be moved using stockpiles < 1473439048 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473439164 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, items in general. i have to look for graphics < 1473439197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graphics? < 1473439228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not using characters? < 1473439231 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first stuff i am going to make is probably stone, wood and barrels < 1473439240 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1473439254 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may, if i don't find somebody to make graphics in the long run < 1473439282 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :▬ <- a brown one of these. wood. done. < 1473439354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :• <- gray. stone. done. < 1473439358 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need tilesets nontheless :) < 1473439375 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could of course use emojis! < 1473439391 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could, yeah < 1473439408 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, i just wildly modify an existing game < 1473439424 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the non-emoji character variants of emojis, if you still want each object to be one character cell < 1473439498 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have a small problems with ramps to fix < 1473439502 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☂ <- This is a pine wood and horse leather umbrella. It is of the utmost quality. < 1473439514 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1473439527 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473439571 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hung with rings of rose gold and amber, and inlaid with a picture in rat bones of Ugrak the Orc. Ugrak is weeping. < 1473439617 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is way more advanced than what i am going to do for now < 1473439632 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not planing to do different stones for now, at all < 1473439646 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture relates to the imprisonment in Woodsgelding of Ugrak the Orc in 1348 < 1473439692 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to write a name generator some time < 1473439937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump appeared on RT to praise Putin < 1473439980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he wins, the cold war is over, with victory to Russia < 1473442621 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZREQWva082s < 1473442658 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473442721 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473442738 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I'm very proud of myself now, even if what I did was by accident. < 1473442752 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i wouldn't understand a word without subs < 1473442756 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And might not have even worked. < 1473442845 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the "september surge" is a good time for recruiting people to online communities" -- what? < 1473442850 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what September surge/ < 1473442853 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yeah Stack is not good at english... < 1473442866 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the rush to the shops to buy useless stuff to schoolchildren? < 1473442891 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess some kids might get new laptops at that time < 1473442906 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, they do < 1473442919 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tablets and smartphones and whatever they use these days < 1473442951 0 :\46bit!?@? NICK :[46bit < 1473442972 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a reference to the phenomenon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September is about. < 1473443045 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leans back in his comfy chair staring at this channel on a huge monitor with smug superiority radiating the belief that the large noisy box next to him is a better way to enjoy this text chat than those fancy tiny devices
< 1473443111 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think I was told a lot of people have now used the interwebs for the first time over a smartphone. < 1473443128 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/06/smartphones-most-popular-way-to-browse-internet-ofcom < 1473443165 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my little cousin didn't know that you could get youtube on a laptop < 1473443168 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, is that even possible? < 1473443188 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I showed him a few weeks ago < 1473443206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, if the "people" in question are 6 years old < 1473443287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Why wouldn't it be possible? < 1473443307 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the text now... < 1473443325 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, < 1473443332 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To improve the overall user experience, Youtube users are required to have WebGL 2, which means you have to support OpenGL ES 3. THIS MEANS YOU, IRONLAKE USERS." < 1473443364 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cue mass shift to youtube-dl* < 1473443368 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your little cousin is stupid < 1473443371 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i said it < 1473443372 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To him, I'm some ancient relic who went to a party in the year 2000. < 1473443400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the year 2000 is 10 years before he was born < 1473443426 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the equivalent of someone talking to me about 1983 < 1473443461 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or talking to my dad about like 1946 < 1473443473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mobile-only internet usage is also becoming more common, driven predominantly by Millennials, of which 21 percent are no longer using desktop computers to go online." < 1473443478 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Back in the day, those awesome graphics cards were branded ATI! You hear me? A! T! I!" < 1473443504 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The merger happened in 2010, so your little cousin would not know of this.) < 1473443506 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is this "protos" you mention? < 1473443522 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Protobufs. You know, protocol buffers. < 1473443525 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no way. even back then NVDIA cards were more awesome, just more expensive too. < 1473443565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrox is where it's at. < 1473443616 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the day, the USA wasn't at war in the middle east < 1473443636 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had at least a Matrox Mystique 220, a G200 and a G450. < 1473443655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the president was named "Bill Clinton" < 1473443657 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer had a custom 'mga' output driver for hardware-accelerated video on them. V. fancy. < 1473443660 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Think about it this way. AMD's easier on the drivers under some conditions, and if you're worried it's not powerful enough... seriously, please, for the love of all that you know, avoid anything marked "i3 M370". < 1473443674 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473443676 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should recalibrate your definition of power. < 1473443722 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and we had mouse with two buttons, and 14 inch CRT monitors with 100 hertz refresh rate and way more vivid colors than what you have now on these TFTs, and a Gmail with no "delete" button. < 1473443745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the most awesome internet games were written in Shockwave Flash < 1473443760 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your ipad can't even run < 1473443799 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can my laptop with arch < 1473443804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there an xkcd about the delete button in gmail? < 1473443805 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it < 1473443805 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473443858 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the prime minister was Jean Chretien < 1473443878 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jean Chretien"? Never heard of them. < 1473443890 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien < 1473443891 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes looking
< 1473443904 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1473443907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's famous for punching a heckler in the face < 1473443922 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, one of the few rare politicians that ever did anything. < 1473443925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? wasn't Chretien prime minister only a few years ago? < 1473443936 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1473443940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time runs fast < 1473443951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no. then there was paul martin, and then stephen goddamnhim harper < 1473443960 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1473443976 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing harper, whoever they are, was not very good at government? < 1473443991 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or he literally had "Goddamnhim" as a middle name. < 1473444003 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I understand some people say he ruined canada or something < 1473444011 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473444012 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really follow politics on the other side of the pond < 1473444018 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor here much, mind you) < 1473444052 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow politics, in general, that much. < 1473444059 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: basically he allowed Canada's economy to become way too tied to oil < 1473444070 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the oil dried up? < 1473444071 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its currency < 1473444086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: nah, just became worthless with the advent of shale < 1473444102 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still there, but uneconomical to extract < 1473444149 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. So something is broken about rendering MathML in this browser, because the same problem (too high parenthesis) appears on multiple wobsites. < 1473444156 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a client problem. < 1473444191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also prorogued parliament to prevent certain bills from getting passed < 1473444211 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to prevent a vote of no confidence < 1473444228 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prorogued"? what does that mean? < 1473444259 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: he didn't let parliament hold any sessions for months < 1473444272 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473444334 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473444363 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in 2011 there actually was avote of no confidence < 1473444401 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :harper won again, but he lost the regular election this year < 1473444433 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, last year < 1473444511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's no longer in politics < 1473444749 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find MathML is often screwed up < 1473444767 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473444780 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[2]! < 1473444854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473445034 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473445347 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473445924 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473446007 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/zb8fbs7685xpkiu/Screenshot_20160909-191854.png?dl=0 i do think i made a mistake somewhere < 1473446314 0 :[46bit!?@? NICK :_46bit < 1473446367 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473446906 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473446956 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mistake? I see no mistake. < 1473446999 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one dwarf on that layer (as indicated in the top right) < 1473447840 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473449226 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to an online quiz, I'm more likely to be a native swedish speaker than English < 1473449244 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gameswithwords.org/WhichEnglish/ < 1473449263 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this surprise you? < 1473449284 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, given I don't know any swedish and I've never been to sweden. < 1473449332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do the quiz, but it requires age and gender. < 1473449335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. < 1473449349 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473449351 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ore guesses for your native language: 1: Swedish, 2: Dutch 3: English" < 1473449388 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to cheat the quiz age/gender thingy, just for the fun of it < 1473449447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also their dialect chioces were "1: Ebonics 2: Canadian 3: General american" < 1473449577 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the cheats... so apparently they decided that normal tags weren't enough < 1473449582 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they created special tags < 1473449611 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are stopping me from saying that I am an immortal verminicious knid. < 1473450061 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. Use the DOM inspector to add in your preferred option, then run $("#gender").select2(); to create the new choicebox. < 1473450377 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, it guessed german for me < 1473450381 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is correct < 1473450405 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my dialect seems to be aave < 1473450601 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a ¡ a "gnab"? < 1473450672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a qɐuƃ < 1473450752 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, apparently, I'm from New Zealand. This, of course, is completely false. < 1473450853 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german, english, dutch are the 3 guesses for me < 1473450872 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now... "In the Country Of United Kingdom"... < 1473450900 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, they say "country" and define the United Kingdom as a country, they are asking for me to deliberately break the system now. < 1473450910 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am entering in England. < 1473450922 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it in Hebrew -- I said it in Dutch -- / I said it in German and Greek. / But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) / That English is what you speak. < 1473450999 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473450999 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying that test now < 1473451004 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473451084 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some tricky questions. < 1473451084 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is, that somehow, the console isn't indicating any server errors due to my... interesting... input. < 1473451102 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473451103 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least none that the server sent back, anyway... < 1473451387 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Our top three guesses for your English dialect: 1. US Black Vernacular / Ebonics 2. New Zealandish 3. South African. Our top three guesses for your native (first) language: 1. English 2. Dutch 3. Swedish" < 1473451479 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473451494 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our top three guesses for your English dialect: 1. US Black Vernacular / Ebonics 2. New Zealandish 3. Singaporean" "Our top three guesses for your native (first) language: 1. Swedish 2. English 3. Dutch" < 1473451663 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the book is in my possession! not sure if I'll have time to read this weekend but will try < 1473451668 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473451671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoa whoa whoa < 1473451679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: After you read this book I can send you more books. < 1473451685 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1473451691 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :books rot the mind < 1473451699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1473451718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend a book to kmc that he really liked. < 1473451745 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: won't that cause a downtime between the two books when the second book is still in postage/ < 1473451752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should read that one. < 1473451764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: copumpkin deserves a break. < 1473451803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Remind me, were you an expert in Russian history? < 1473451807 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1473451810 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: _The Coast of Utopia_ was so good < 1473451816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a play, not a book. < 1473451866 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's irrelevant. < 1473452349 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473452537 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473452935 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you read a book, shachaf sends you two more books. < 1473452963 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1473453031 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a flip side? like, every time you don't read a book he's sent within reasonable time, he takes away another random one of your books? < 1473453217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't subscribe to the service. < 1473453234 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sounds reasonable. < 1473453255 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, those aren't good rules, because then you can get stuck with zero books in the queue < 1473453300 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better rule might be something like this: whenever you have two or fewer books in your read queue plus in transmit from shachaf, shachaf sends you two more books. < 1473453304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you want to subscribe? < 1473453321 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can I request particular books? < 1473453329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now that you're British do you drink a lot of tea? < 1473453366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, yes (well, sort-of). < 1473453375 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now that you're British"? < 1473453385 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1473453388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What sort of tea? < 1473453400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to sign up for someone's tea recommendation of the month club. < 1473453417 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink more tea now because the new office's MKs have this tap from which hot water comes out of, without having to pour it into a water cooker and waiting for few minutes. < 1473453434 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, I'm bad at that. I mostly just drink the sort of empty tea I call "colored water" < 1473453441 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, the "do not ever let it near a child, they are guaranteed to hurt their hands" taps < 1473453449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TG < 1473453452 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It's got a child-"proof" thing. < 1473453454 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not British stuff that has a taste < 1473453465 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if it's sometimes a horrible taste) < 1473453466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are there any shortened URLs containing the string "pooch"? < 1473453481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I heard there was a spot of the kerfuffle about URL shortening recently. < 1473453497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: You get cold water at the press of a button, but for hot water you need to press a button first, and then a different button in a short interval of time. < 1473453514 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do not underestimate children. < 1473453516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No way a child would ever figure that out. < 1473453524 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473453533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm a bit worried, because *I* could figure it out without instructions. < 1473453536 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to press buttons? surely no child would ever want to waste his time on pressing buttons to see what happens < 1473453553 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two hot-water buttons are identical, and once you've pressed one, the other blinks. < 1473453563 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473453568 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it blinks. < 1473453573 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... It blinks. < 1473453582 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they asking for scalded hands? < 1473453585 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already talked about this today. children these days just use their touchscreen smartphones, they don't like pressing actual buttons < 1473453598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chicago office had a TEAbot. < 1473453628 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sort of a thing with jars of loose-leaf tea, and a tablet as the user interface. < 1473453639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the buttons, are they placed under the tap so you have to reach in carefully, or press it with the cup? < 1473453649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please recommend a loose-leaf tea twh < 1473453650 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foodandwine.com/fwx/drink/teabot-tea-making-robot-tea-lovers-dreams < 1473453652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. < 1473453697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not a high-fidelity tea person, I just pick from what's been supplied. < 1473453708 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a tea make considered unoriginal and bland if it's a Braintea derivative? < 1473453719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought the Clipper brand things because they have nice boxes. < 1473453737 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, like these soda machines where you just have to push your cup forward under the tap to trigger a mechanical handle with the cup, but instead people try all sorts of things like pushing or pulling the handle with their hands, with or without a cup. < 1473453746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice boxes? That sounds good. < 1473453773 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "supplied"? like at work? < 1473453796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But all I see is bags? < 1473453812 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : wob_jonas: Put a symbol on the side of the mug, and an obviously interlocking symbol on the machine port. < 1473453815 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work. < 1473453879 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473453893 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Cirno Day! ⑨/⑨ < 1473453904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: dunno, good interface design is hard < 1473453910 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Cirno Day! < 1473453912 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQq_mZc3y_s < 1473453990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes. Preparing hot water without the handy tap is such a chore, I do all my tea at work. < 1473454021 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473454054 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you "do" your tea? That's making me imagine some sort of drug pusher handing you some Earl Gr[ea]y. < 1473454121 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473454124 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I also drink most of my tea at work, but not because of that. Both at work and at home I make tea by boiling water in a small electric kettle, pouring half a liter in a cup, and adding a teabag for coloring the water. < 1473454135 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly the same procedure at home or at work. < 1473454143 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same sorts of teabags too. < 1473454155 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473454222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's weird. The grocery stores (at least in Finland) had loose-leaf Clipper brand tea. I don't know why their website is so bag-only. < 1473454305 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Has neoletters added ⸘ yet? < 1473454317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ys < 1473454331 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the right way around too < 1473454334 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? neoletters < 1473454335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neoletters? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473454338 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren's font < 1473454339 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\oren\'s font is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1473454371 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Congratulations, BTW, my school has your site blocked < 1473454381 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "Prohibited advertisements content" < 1473454417 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps: ln -s "wisdom/oren's font" wisdom/neoletters < 1473454430 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning. I have no idea how HackEgo would react to this. That's what makes it so fun!) < 1473454431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My site doesn't have any ads at all... maybe that's what's prohibited < 1473454437 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Weird < 1473454440 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll submit an appeal < 1473454445 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I understand! < 1473454449 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want ads on the site < 1473454453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can replace them with their own ads! < 1473454475 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn oren's font/\oren\'s font neoletters is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1473454478 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «oren's font» < 1473454559 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Nope xD < 1473454572 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there WERE ads, everyone has adblock nowadays < 1473454578 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's greppable now < 1473454754 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ærl Græy Tæ < 1473454789 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rl grA tE < 1473454826 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real great"? < 1473454837 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subliminal messaging! < 1473454838 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1473454843 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course! < 1473454847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: itym græp hth < 1473454847 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I not see this? < 1473454881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|G|lobally search |Ræ|gular |E|xpression and |P|rint < 1473454895 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: grapes? nah, I prefer raspberries, thanks. < 1473454906 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I prefer my raspberries in a pie, rather than raw. < 1473454909 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me. < 1473454933 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is basic rægexes. < 1473454936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... leaving < 1473454946 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :læving? < 1473455188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473455693 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:99ff:b85f:2764:1b3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1473456980 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473457004 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why koala? < 1473457022 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, koalahead < 1473457022 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: regardless of whether or not a file in big-5 encoding. how would you like < 1473457038 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473457568 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this should be ゚interesting. < 1473457652 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a fair or a fare? < 1473457652 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: stop twisting words again. < 1473457661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort < 1473457669 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord? < 1473457672 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473457690 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why so many people are unaffiliated? < 1473457803 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaffiliated with what? < 1473457840 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1473457850 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With everything, I presume. < 1473457884 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, I am legally required to be non-partisanb < 1473457894 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they're actually aliens from another planet, in disguise as humans. Or time travellers. Or alien time travellers. They seem kind, so that's good. < 1473458137 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no way. surely time travellers would know all our history and are familiar with all the terrible consequences the Other Candidate's term as president has brought and are able to view it from a perspective unbiased by the nasty mud-slinging of this campaign, so they won't remain unaffiliated but will support My Candidate fully. < 1473458311 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473458311 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473458593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, "short-sighted", that's what that sentence needs < 1473458641 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that both candidates are now essentially saying the world will literally end if the other one winds < 1473458687 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh, people are always saying that < 1473458802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? racoon < 1473458803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :racoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? raccoon < 1473458805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raccoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocoon < 1473458808 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458877 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they say that during the 2008 election? < 1473458899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remeber them saying it over and over back then < 1473459022 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:99ff:b85f:2764:1b3d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473459076 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473459274 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473459295 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*coon* < 1473459297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/cocoonspirator \ wisdom/coonspirator \ wisdom/racoonspirator < 1473459314 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? racoonspirator < 1473459315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A racoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in fur < 1473459653 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473460390 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocoonspirator < 1473460391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cocoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in caterpillar silk < 1473460395 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coonspirator < 1473460396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coonspirator is caterpillar silk wrapped in collaborators. < 1473460596 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473460686 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*err* < 1473460688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*err*: No such file or directory < 1473460694 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*e* < 1473460695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/6 random numbers \ wisdom/abstract nonsense \ wisdom/adpoted \ wisdom/adventure \ wisdom/algebraic chess notation \ wisdom/algebraic number theory \ wisdom/al gore \ wisdom/alice \ wisdom/alise \ wisdom/all the tropes \ wisdom/almond bread \ wisdom/america \ wisdom/amnesium \ wisdom/amortized \ wisdom/antediluvian \ wisdom/applicative functo < 1473460714 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*dire* < 1473460715 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*dire*: No such file or directory < 1473460718 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*cat* < 1473460719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/applicative functor \ wisdom/bicategory \ wisdom/cat \ wisdom/catamorphism \ wisdom/categorical product \ wisdom/category \ wisdom/category-helpdesk \ wisdom/category theory \ wisdom/cat elimination \ wisdom/cat introduction \ wisdom/implication \ wisdom/monoidal category < 1473460733 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat < 1473460733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal. < 1473460734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. < 1473460736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cocoon': Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. < 1473460756 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat elimination < 1473460756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat elimination is the process of replacing a one-argument `cat` command with the shell operator < < 1473460757 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7giqbv3mfhygs.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473460849 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, "cat X | foo | bar | baz" has a much more natural ordering of things than "foo < X | bar | baz". < 1473460904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need an optimizing shell < 1473460922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "< X foo | bar | baz" just looks silly. < 1473460925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course it's almost impossible, because the difference is observable in too many ways < 1473460957 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course it does. you should write it without the space after the angle bracket, like busybox < 1473461584 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the busybox shell actually run busybox commands builtin-like? < 1473461589 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473461597 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fork < 1473461604 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy. < 1473461631 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you kill it while it's pretending to be a gzip, you don't go back to the shell? < 1473461642 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1473461677 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that ^C is handled specially in that case though < 1473461689 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just regular signal handlers < 1473461700 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need another shell to kill it with < 1473461701 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with sigkill of course there's not much you can do < 1473461712 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem to happen on my busybox, at least for 'sleep'. < 1473461747 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find which apps are nofork < 1473461767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's presumably-short-running ones. < 1473461787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would make sense, since those would save the most. < 1473461788 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473461840 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq false whoami echo logname sync fsync touch true truncate yes basename dirname printenv pwd cat < 1473461939 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir mkdir rm usleep < 1473462594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make a program that compiles shell scripts into programs that fork, dup2, and exec? < 1473462605 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's called a shell < 1473462622 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: a shell is an interpreter < 1473462624 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the shell interpretive? < 1473462645 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far i know no shell that compiles stuff < 1473462673 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is that useful? < 1473462692 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only speeding up the interpretation part < 1473462736 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obfuscating the code at the same time < 1473462832 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can build a pessimized shell though, mind you < 1473462833 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with this is that it works great with very simple shells but posix shells do a shitload of other stuff that's totally not trivial to translate < 1473462859 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://blog.schmorp.de/2015-06-08-emulating-linux-mips-in-perl-1.html < 1473462879 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe this shell would have options to optimize things in unexpected ways < 1473462967 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. shell variables that are treated as numbers can be stored as numbers until such time as a string operation is performed upon them < 1473462988 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksh does that < 1473462999 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does that if you declare them as numeric variables < 1473463004 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stores them in doubles < 1473463005 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say about premature optimization < 1473463013 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT DOUBLES! < 1473463019 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHELL NUMBERS ARE int64 < 1473463023 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read the manual < 1473463029 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1473463047 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the ones in bash are sorry < 1473463051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say about floating point values < 1473463055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double, double, toil and trouble < 1473463091 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1473463101 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a song in a harry potter movie < 1473463102 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, could you lend me a newt's eye for the cocooncotion? < 1473463102 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: let's not and say we did! :-p cool. thanks.) since you bothered to type that < 1473463110 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was it before being sang in hp? < 1473463128 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: some lame Shakespeare stuff I think < 1473463131 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a line from Macbeth < 1473463135 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1473463149 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate shakespeare < 1473463162 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bubble, bobble. < 1473463171 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzrgXFeX_o < 1473463181 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more I hate the people who don't translate shakespeare < 1473463182 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeble < 1473463192 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? beeble < 1473463193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473463205 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I should have married a crueler woman." < 1473463207 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ait was in the disk 2 of the dvd < 1473463210 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/A// < 1473463237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare is not written in modern english, therefore they should translate it into modern english before having kids read it < 1473463241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye of newt, and toe of frog, / Wool of bat, and pooch of dog < 1473463277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, striiiiiictly speaking, it is Modern English < 1473463290 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you are well within your rights to argue I'm completely missing the point < 1473463300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what possible sense? < 1473463319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Some people defined some words and now everyone thinks their definitions are better than yours. < 1473463322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1473463326 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many words used by shakespeare are completely unknown to modern readers < 1473463340 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or widely misunderstood < 1473463389 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally find Shakespeare relatively easy to read < 1473463413 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh. he's made up a lot of new words. obviously not all would catch on. he still has quite a lot of success with many of them. < 1473463413 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. troth, wherefore, fair, whence < 1473463427 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses slang that is unfamiliar, but so does a lot of stuff coming out of the US < 1473463451 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does a lot of stuff coming from 300 miles away in my home country's capital < 1473463458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whence" is a good word. < 1473463500 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherefore dost thou sayest such, shachaf? < 1473463516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "dost thou sayest"? < 1473463538 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but most modern people would understand it as meaning "when" but shakespeare meant "where" < 1473463541 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you say", with singular you, attempting to emulate early modern english < 1473463558 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, ...people understand it as meaning when? < 1473463563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It reads more like "does he says" to me. < 1473463565 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473463567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? we know what a "fair" is. it's either a convention where they're not trying to bother with a fixed schedule of presentations in large rooms because they know the point of a convention is people going around the stands in an unscheduled manner and meeting each other, or an adjective for elves. < 1473463585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whence" doesn't mean "where" < 1473463590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It means "from where" < 1473463591 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, clearly, you don't speak early modern english as well as I do < 1473463601 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I've never heard of anyone thinking it means "when" before < 1473463605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, and shakespeare uses fair to mean "beautiful" < 1473463609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you sure you're right about this? < 1473463616 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, *I* use fair to mean beautiful < 1473463625 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no hth < 1473463626 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whence" means "from where", "hence" means "from here", "thence" means "from there" < 1473463627 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: To a modern ear, wherefore means where, and whence means when < 1473463640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whither" means "to where", "hither" means "to here", "thither" means "to there" < 1473463646 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, then I do not have a modern ear < 1473463657 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherefore art thou romeo = "where are you, romeo? I can't see you" < 1473463665 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherefore being taken as where, I've heard of < 1473463670 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never whence being taken as when < 1473463674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we know what a "whence" is too, it's the third argument of an lseek or fseek or similar function, and traditionally has the value of 0 for offset from start, 1 for offset from current position, 2 for offset from end of file, although these days some other values are possible. < 1473463686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas makes a good point. < 1473463692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wob_jonas < 1473463693 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks. < 1473463721 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fair" as beautiful, what's the point of that? we already have "pretty" and "handsome" to mean beautiful < 1473463724 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so this is wrong? "from whence you came you shall remain" < 1473463727 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "From whence he came" = "he's a time traveller returning to his home time period" < 1473463735 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, fair is a different kind of beautiful < 1473463750 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I've heard "from whence". I'm not sure whether it's "wrong", it might just be redundant or something? < 1473463758 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I've seriously never heard anyone use it like that, or think it could be used like that before < 1473463795 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, Legolas and Arwen are fair but not pretty or handsome, to me < 1473463813 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :legolas aint pretty!? < 1473463822 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not! it's just partitioning the old fashioned chauvinist way: you say "beautiful" about women, "handsome" about men, "pretty" about children, and "fair" about elves, to enforce the notion that the roles of people in society should be determined by their gender and age and heritage. < 1473463831 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all mean the fucking same thing! < 1473463838 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't! < 1473463848 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, you know, when "fair" means a convention < 1473463874 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do associate them with different kinds of beauty, and there are definitely beautiful men and handsome women < 1473463910 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gainsay" most people today would interpret as "say again" but shakespeare meant "contradict, deny" < 1473463935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think the Thing from Addams Family is quite handsome. < 1473463951 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, good for you < 1473463960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's that supposed to mean < 1473463969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of insult < 1473463978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either it's clear to me that they're the same because I haven't grown up as an English speaker and so my head isn't full about ideas about which social classes of people should be beautiful in which ways, or I just don't understand the small difference between those worse because I've not grown up as an English speaker and I'm just imagining < 1473463978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those words the same. < 1473463986 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it means I disagree but recognize it's a valid opinion, and also I don't really care < 1473464007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really an opinion. < 1473464009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a pun. < 1473464023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could disagree with puns. < 1473464023 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I was thinking of Cousin Itt < 1473464028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can find them disagreeable. < 1473464034 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My apologies < 1473464054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good pun < 1473464062 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since English has so many redundant synonyms, I'm always guessing the former by default. < 1473464096 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, a lot of English synonyms have different connotations. < 1473464112 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoonnotations? < 1473464114 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are very few "true synonyms" < 1473464116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this book, beautiful men are rare: http://www.rulit.me/books/the-gone-away-world-read-423517-65.html < 1473464129 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'd say Chris Hemsworth is one < 1473464141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ben was the rarest of things, a genuinely beautiful man. Good-looking men are commonplace, and beautiful woman are not rare. Male beauty, capable of overcoming the stigma attached to it and undeniable, is one in many hundreds of thousands." < 1473464145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true? < 1473464147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1473464170 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once saw a really beautiful man at university but I think he graduated before I got the chance to tell him so < 1473464183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you tell someone so? < 1473464210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cousin Itt and the Thing are really quite distinct. < 1473464216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dateless" most people would think meant "unable to go to prom" but actually means "eternal" < 1473464216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's p. true: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=beautiful+man%2Cbeautiful+woman < 1473464219 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is more likely to make him happy than to make him sad < 1473464243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell someone they're beautiful, it might make them happier. < 1473464251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it at the cost of making all people who aren't beautiful sadder? < 1473464256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473464266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By attaching too much value to beauty of people? < 1473464269 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people who aren't beautiful wouldn't have heard me say he's beautiful < 1473464298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonetheless. < 1473464328 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"diaper" meant "towel" to shakespeare < 1473464329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is going to read a story this weekend -- I believe it's the very last one in the book -- which is about lookism. < 1473464361 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vampire < 1473464362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires are a wizarding myth Professor Lupin invented to make students hate Professor Snape even more, after Professor Snape almost made the students realize he's a werewolf. < 1473464363 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imperious" meant "majestic" to shakespeare < 1473464375 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...imperious does mean majestic, doesn't it < 1473464382 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an emperor < 1473464388 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else does it mean? < 1473464389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "fantastic" meant "unrealistic" rather than "excellent" to Heinlein. < 1473464395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And that was in the 1950s or something. < 1473464417 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1473464430 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so new editions should translate the words < 1473464446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good translations are hard. < 1473464450 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, it's just a different dialect, should American books be translated in British publication? < 1473464453 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not leave them the same and append ever increasing numbers of footnotes < 1473464454 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473464458 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh, disposable diapers didn't exist back then. They were a rarity (in Eastern Europe) even when I was a baby, so I grown up with textile diapers on my ass and my parents had to wash them. How could Shakespeare had known? < 1473464465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: British books are translated in American publications, aren't they? < 1473464476 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know, I've never bought a book in the US < 1473464482 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imperious" => is that even a word? < 1473464499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first book of harry potter was "the sorceror's stone" in the USA < 1473464523 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes and it means something like "overbearing" to a modern person < 1473464546 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed now < 1473464549 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1473464564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: what do you think of calliagnosia twh < 1473464572 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a misspelling of impervious hth < 1473464593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I see. I mean, there's an M:tG card with "Imperious" in its name, but there are M:tG cards with all sorts of crazy rare English words, so that doesn't mean much < 1473464729 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently BigQuery doesn't support proto data? #scow < 1473464823 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473465009 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jaded" meant "contemptible" to Shakespeare < 1473465029 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"contemptible" isn't even a word, is it? < 1473465042 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How can that even be a thing. < 1473465088 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sure it'll all turn into protos somewhere deep in the machine. < 1473465093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure. < 1473465108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably even somewhere shallow in the machine. < 1473465116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything turns into protos. < 1473465130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you seen that "two kinds of jobs" meme-image? < 1473465132 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't help you if all you can upload is CSV data. < 1473465143 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it is. it means "worthy of being hated" < 1473465147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure... < 1473465194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473465205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'd share it but I'm sure it's company confidential. < 1473465237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god < 1473465241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found my missing cat < 1473465266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All images generated by the meme-image-generator-machine are confidential. < 1473465274 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vulgar" meant "of the people" in Shakespeare's time < 1473465293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. This one's from 2012, so I presume you might have seen it, though I doubt it's super-popular. < 1473465344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably seen it. < 1473465350 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds vaguely familiar. < 1473465388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What format would you use to store a log file containing protos? < 1473465460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting back to BigQuery, there seems to be something called Avro import (Apache thing with JSON-based schemas and proto-like binary wire format), and also something something Cloud Datastore. Though you're right -- no protos. < 1473465500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The point of this would be queries on nested/heterogeneous data. < 1473465565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's good for that, if anything. < 1473465583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than Dremel?