< 1473638986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639000 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473639003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the society in My Little Pony have some rather advanced math < 1473639085 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second movie, they mention the Pythagorean theorem (they actually SAY the definition- "And the distance between two points is just the square root of the sum of the squares of the difference the offsets of 3-dimensional points" or somesuch) < 1473639094 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@cpe-98-157-243-236.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473639156 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639200 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: it's just square roots, and square roots have been mentioned already in S3 E1. that's not advanced math. even the ancients knew the pythagorean theorem. < 1473639206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mentioned a person named "Haycartes" (in the context of "Haycartes' Method", which is probably philosophical rather than mathematical but they still have the quy) < 1473639219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, but it's fairly impressive for ponies < 1473639232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they just mentioned pre-calculus (thus implying they have proper calculus) < 1473639239 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:a27:d096:6385:a7a3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639244 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, sinuses < 1473639256 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have a snout, of course they know about sinuses < 1473639309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinuses? < 1473639317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That have anything to do with sine? < 1473639341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only the name < 1473639444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had the equations for General Relativity on the chalkboard at one point, which implies they have that (I mean, it's probably just that the animators needed something nopony would understand so no one would get upset, but still) < 1473639986 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473640023 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640248 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640274 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473640274 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gold < 1473640438 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 15h 39m 1s ago: It is not DWFO, it's one being organized by a couple of people in my uni called "STVN" < 1473640438 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 15h 34m 11s ago: hth (shachaf told me to) < 1473640451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa < 1473640453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1473640458 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb it's really quite simple... < 1473640552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb oerjan says it's really quite simple hth < 1473640552 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473640611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello̼ < 1473640649 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1473640670 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, when did you buy a Lambdabot Gold account? < 1473640892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473640897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas < 1473641060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: This Nix thing is a mess. :-( < 1473641070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it trying to install binutils and bash and all these things? < 1473641092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to build stuff < 1473641118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't it want them before? < 1473641154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb does that mean it's star trek < 1473641154 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473641322 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how there's always greasy cooking smell coming in the windows here. I blame the neighbour on the ground floor. < 1473641531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard hungarian cooking is very greasy < 1473641569 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, usually it is. < 1473641600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it less greasy than average, but that's irrelevant. Nobody likes when they get cooking smell all the time. < 1473641667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure if anyone tried that in this building they'd set off the fire alarm < 1473641767 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(greasy cooking without proper ventilation, that is) < 1473641819 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's got proper ventillation, he's ventillating all the smell outside the building. I bet his apartment is all nice and non-smelly. It's coming in through the window in here. < 1473641821 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473641826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473641877 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473641971 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:a27:d096:6385:a7a3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473642083 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473642092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473642299 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:311e:5fde:cde2:c4d9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473642495 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473642699 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:311e:5fde:cde2:c4d9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473642801 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Slereah what is a trampoline* <-- it is a way to emulate deep recursive calls without a stack, by having each step return directly to a loop at the top, which calls the next step hth < 1473642801 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473642890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Slereah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing)#High-level_programming < 1473642890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473642948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quoting people who use <-- is very confusing <-- i don't see why hth < 1473643394 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473643572 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like stacking left-arrows for stacked replies < 1473643582 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes for a decent one-message quote tower on IRC < 1473643593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use double right arrows instead, like this => => < 1473643645 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use "←" < 1473643920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473644250 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should use other arrows, like ~> or <-| < 1473644849 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I need to calculate where a line from 0 to a complex number z = a+bi intersects the unit circle a^2+(b*-i)^2 = 1, what equation would I use? < 1473644902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose maybe I'm just supposed to divide by the absolute value? That works for calculating sgn(x) (barring x=0), which this is a generalization of) < 1473644910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yep < 1473645001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that with a full line, there are two intersections. < 1473645059 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473645140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e ouch I hope none of the punsters on here see this: http://www.mezzacotta.net/pomh/?comic=65 <-- too late, i read that comic hth < 1473645140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473645180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes int-e won't misinterpret that due to filthy english grammar. or maybe that would be appropriate. < 1473645275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, I meant ray < 1473645310 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is factorial defined for the Gaussians?) < 1473645353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49709&oldid=49706 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-22) 10enough of this < 1473645481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49710&oldid=49705 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-22) 10nipping this in the bud < 1473645491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it needs to be based on the relationship between a and b & (a+b)! < 1473645598 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: factorial is generally extended to the complexes with the gamma function. it's probably unlikely to send gaussians to themselves. < 1473645628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but I was going for something that doesn't require calculus to understand < 1473645662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the gamma function is stupid. Pi function is much better) < 1473645680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm guessing you're unlikely to find something logical, but i dunno. < 1473645743 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if there's a rule for (a + i)! < 1473645756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you'd need to make sense of this. < 1473645879 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but you know where to look for such a rule, right? http://dlmf.nist.gov/5.5 . and since it's not there, you can be sure there's no easy rule. < 1473645901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that. < 1473645982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Or you need to know ki! and (a+b)! < 1473646001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining ki! is the hard part, most likely < 1473646040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473646074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there wasn't any rule for calculating (a+b)! either hth < 1473646087 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I hoped there would be < 1473646099 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (a+b)! = a!b! or something < 1473646110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd really just need i! < 1473646145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's the rule for exp hth < 1473646169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, it was an example < 1473646175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose i! is enough < 1473646204 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a pole or something there? < 1473646211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0! = 1; k! = k*((k-1)!) < 1473646224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, there isn't < 1473646309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b)! = (a+b)*((a+b-1)!) = (a+b)*((a+b-1)*((a+b-2)!)) < 1473646311 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poles are at ik-1 for every integer k < 1473646314 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just dumb < 1473646314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1473646326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about just blind experimentation < 1473646445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to find some patterns, see if they generalize < 1473646453 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3! = 6; 2! = 2; (3+2)! = 5! = 120; 120 = 12*10 = 10*6*2 = 6*5*2*2 < 1473646638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: um the poles are at -k for natural k hth < 1473646652 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1473646654 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473646661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was holding this thing sideways then < 1473646667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473646670 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3*5*2*2*2... a*(a+b)*(a*b) where a > b it seems; if a < b it's 2*(2+3)*(2*3) = 2*5*6 = 60 = 120/2 I guess? < 1473646704 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473646729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2! = 2; (2+2)! = 4! = 24. 2*(2+2)*(2*2) = 2*4*4 = 32, so that pattern doesn't hold. < 1473646759 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/a > b/a >= b/ or it doesn't work for any even numbers) < 1473646767 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473646802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck outpatterning euler and gauss hth < 1473646810 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ty < 1473646873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's probably impossible or really really weird, really, as (1) (k+0)! has to equal k!, so unless (a+b)! really just is a!b! (which I have a feeling I'll disprove with the first example) that doesn't work < 1473646938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) there are a LOT of different ways to write k as a sum < 1473646992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to test if (a+b)! = a!b!, (2+3)! = 5! = 120; 2! = 2, 3! = 6, 6*2 /= 120 < 1473647053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3!(2^2)! = 6*24 = 144 < 1473647100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3*2)! = 6! = 720 < 1473647165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep seeing patterns, but I'm not sure where they're coming from; 720=144/2*10) < 1473647201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: f(a+b) = f(a)f(b) on the reals holds _only_ for exponentials hth < 1473647211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, figured < 1473647232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: n! is kind of a not-quite-but-frustratingly-close-to exponential, isn't it? < 1473647232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, assuming an even slightly nice function - there are axiom of choice counterexamples) < 1473647243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1473647396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm s/reals/rationals/ and its completely true. < 1473647454 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, (n+1)! = n!*(n+1) apparently < 1473647466 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, what?) < 1473647498 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4! = 24; 6*4 = 24 < 1473647512 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473647526 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that is pretty obvious < 1473647537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some algebration of the definition given above that everyone has memorized < 1473647543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Low battery) < 1473647611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsG6MSpWAAAdTob.jpg < 1473647624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is irritating < 1473647792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473648363 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473649213 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473649223 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473650622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best notation for subfactorial? < 1473650660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, should n! just be considered to equal Gam(n-1) at this point? The same way we didn't need a new sign for + when we went from integers to reals?) < 1473650680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it n+1?) < 1473650885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably, there's some equivalent to the gamma function (Maybe we should just call it L(x) where L is an approximate upside-down gamma?) for derangement- L(x) = (n-1)(Γ(n-1)+Γ(n-2)) < 1473651067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, gamma is defined for complex numbers < 1473651172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and i! is irrationally complex, of course < 1473651306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473651769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/Γ/L/g < 1473651902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah < 1473651915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just noticed that < 1473651922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inory < 1473651929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inorically, inory is when you say something is irony that really isn't. Someone who does this is an inorite. < 1473651962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits inory < 1473651967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473651978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/inory < 1473651980 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] < 1473652023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the functions with the property f(n) = (n-1) (f(n-1) + f(n-2)) are obviously exactly the linear combinations of n! and !n < 1473652074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it strange if only one of them had a complex extension. but the wikipedia page doesn't list one. < 1473652104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1473652170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is !n < 1473652188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :subfactorial < 1473652197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derangement < 1473652212 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473652332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a fan of !n notation because it's liable to be confused with ~n < 1473652345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473652360 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are you using 2's complement for anything but computers?" < 1473652391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 2-adic numbers hth < 1473652429 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473652440 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can use 10's-complement for everything else < 1473652444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ssssssshhhhhhhhhh < 1473652457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ~n and !n are totally different HTH < 1473652460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 10's-complement doesn't give a field, you philistine < 1473652481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Um, the base 10 analogue for 2s complement is 9s complement. < 1473652507 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh! then i guess 10's complement _does_ give a field. smashing! < 1473652533 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I filter the duplicates out? < 1473652556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um wouldn't 9's complement correspond to 1's complement? < 1473652571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which duplicates? < 1473652572 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my memory's messed up. < 1473652597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i mean, purely from the naming. it wouldn't be the first time mathematical naming is messed up. < 1473652622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a 3's complement? < 1473652625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course, this makes ternary impossible to speak of) < 1473652727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: problem is, with binary you speak of both 1's and 2's complement, which means if you try to extend it to all bases you get overlapping meanings... < 1473652765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473652797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the 1's complement in base 3 is different from the 1's complement in base 2? < 1473652800 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I'm wrong. 9's and 1's are analogous, 10's and 2's are analogous. < 1473652819 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think 10's complement as I meant it is the same as 10-adic numbers? I know that ...99999 is -1, for instance < 1473652820 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... a little disconcerting < 1473652860 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1's complement base 3 would be, what, the 3's complement minus 2? < 1473652868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not really sure < 1473652879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah i understood what you _meant_ < 1473652882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would 3's complement be < 1473652897 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yes it doesn't give a field, because rational numbers aren't a field either < 1473652919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 3's complement would be _either_ for base 3 or base 4, with different meanings < 1473652921 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :3's complement base 3 is 3^n - y where y is the number and n is the number of digits. < 1473652926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, how do you invert the trits of a 3-digit number? < 1473652942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um rational numbers are a field hth < 1473652958 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the radix complement in any base is b^n - y where b is the base, n the number of digits, and y is the number, apparently) < 1473653099 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, sorry. not the rationals. rather, the subset of rationals representable using at most k digits after the point in base b. < 1473653136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the way you make p-adics a field are by allowing finite number of digits after the point, and infinite before < 1473653147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not work for non-prime p. < 1473653157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1473653170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, who cares whether its a field < 1473653210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unary: mits, marks; binary: bits; ternary: trits; quaternary: tits (tetra- instead of quat-; not qits to avoid confusion with qubits); quinary: pits (again, can't use q, so swapped roots); senary: snits; octal: oits (pronounced "wits"); decimal: dits/digits; dozenal: zigits (so as not to use "zits"); etc.) < 1473653264 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base 256: octets HTH < 1473653440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is the 16's complement of higits/hits (hexadecimal) numbers the same as the 2's complement of the binary equivalent? < 1473653511 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ah, wolfram.com has a formula using the incomplete gamma function http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Subfactorial.html < 1473653638 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno for sure, but it intuitively seems like it should be. < 1473653749 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. The 16's complement of n is 16^n-digits_16(n), while the 2's complement of n is 2^n-digits_2(n). 16=2^4, digits_16(n)=floor(digits_2(n)/4)... < 1473653752 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1473653777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phinary is a thing < 1473653794 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a phine base indeed < 1473653923 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no wonder I'm confused here, I wrote things wrong. < 1473653946 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :16^digits_16(n)-n, 2^digits_2(n)-n. Those are the expressions I should be looking at. < 1473654047 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :digits_2(n) = 4 * digits_16(n). So, 2^digits_2(n) = 2^(4*digits_16(n)) = 16^digits_16(n). < 1473654083 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, the 16's complement of a hexadecimal number is the same as the 2's complement of the same number in binary. < 1473654172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473654207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: apparently the incomplete gamma function is harder to extend to complex numbers than the usual one, it can become multivalued. < 1473654217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incomplete_gamma_function < 1473654286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of subfactorial, because of a factor (-1)^s < 1473654303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1473654316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find a definition of the differential forms thing you were talking about the other day? < 1473654369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello̼ < 1473654389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't wikipedia have this stuff < 1473654420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i אוריין < 1473654425 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. Which article? < 1473654443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Differential form"? < 1473654459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like i've looked. < 1473654505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall once having had this explained in university, i have no idea if there even was a book involved. < 1473654519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want this vector space that you were talking about. < 1473654525 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe "exterior algebra". < 1473654575 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that does look promising < 1473654660 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this "unordered set of basis elements" basis used anywhere? < 1473654682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it a non-empty unordered set?) < 1473654684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale might know. < 1473654768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it'd be empty for the 0 components case i guess. < 1473654792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n components, you need sets with n elements < 1473654977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the correct term is "n-vector" < 1473655063 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Taneb invented them? < 1473655083 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invented taneb? < 1473655095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cis < 1473655096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with web comics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. < 1473655101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1473655152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd cis//s/web c/webc/ < 1473655153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosebud! < 1473655154 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? april < 1473655155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :april? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473655159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd ci//s/web c/webc/ < 1473655160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? january < 1473655161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ci//The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. < 1473655162 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :january? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473655176 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473655184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/password < 1473655186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 40 Aug 2 03:16 wisdom/password < 1473655195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1473655196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is Strindberg < 1473655304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1473655306 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1473655667 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What? < 1473655686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you missed the conversation the other day. < 1473655702 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan was talking about the definition of multivectors? < 1473655714 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does `learn know to update the password in that case? < 1473655735 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: it ignores articles < 1473655740 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1473655743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some thing that has some complicated ordered basis or something. < 1473655774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the "Duality" section in that wikipedia article seems closest to what i said < 1473655810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about universal property. the "Universal property" section is a different view.) < 1473655900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh and the basis is also shown in another section. (no mention of unordered sets though) < 1473656068 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473656242 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, any mtg player? < 1473656265 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a gilt-leaf seer < 1473656268 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtg < 1473656269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473656272 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1473656278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name gilt-leaf seer < 1473656279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gilt-Leaf Seer \ 2G \ Creature -- Elf Shaman \ 2/2 \ {G}, {T}: Look at the top two cards of your library, then put them back in any order. \ LRW-C < 1473656295 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much would you pay for it? < 1473656368 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see, according to this site it's worth up to a whopping $0.80 http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/search_result.asp?Set_Name=Lorwyn < 1473656397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you selling it? < 1473656415 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't play this game < 1473656436 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely play Magic: the Gathering but I do know all of the rules < 1473656442 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can build your starter deck around it. < 1473656443 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the card is in italian and i found it in a book < 1473656453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want deck-building tips? < 1473656458 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473656460 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1473656464 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could come in handy someday < 1473656465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend including at least one basic land. < 1473656471 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that sounds good < 1473656474 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a land? < 1473656477 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a type of card. < 1473656480 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Land is one of the types. < 1473656484 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1473656504 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are very few decks that don't use land. < 1473656505 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to built deck can differ based on whether it is standard or vintage or draft or whatever, too. < 1473656523 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is it gonna cost me? < 1473656526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes non-English cards are worth more than English cards. < 1473656550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that particular card is probably not going to be very valuable no matter what. < 1473656560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic lands I think you can get not costing as much as other cards, because they are very common and you can get in all sets. < 1473656583 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, only unique variants of basic lands end up being costly. < 1473656585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you a basic land card for free. < 1473656596 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also found this black lotus thingy, is it worth anything? < 1473656605 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but those are in no way superior) < 1473656609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacker Lotus is worth more. < 1473656609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Lotus is worth a lot; it is on the reserved list meaning they can't reprint it. < 1473656619 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is being funny < 1473656621 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Either you're fucking with me, or you're not aware that that is a really expensive card. < 1473656622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is restricted in Vintage and banned in all other formats. < 1473656657 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, unless you play Vintage or like to collect it (whether to keep or to resell), it might not be worth as much to you. < 1473656666 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the going price for a Black Lotus these days, 30k? < 1473656673 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473656686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely not. < 1473656688 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.5k http://www.ebay.it/itm/like/262597320477?lpid=96&chn=ps < 1473656698 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ebay.com redirect to .it < 1473656703 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid localization < 1473656727 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, 30k is probably going price for a mint Alpha Black Lotus, not a Black Lotus in general. < 1473656731 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473656754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'd believe that. < 1473656790 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473656891 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should start an investment management company that provides Magic: The Gathering ETFs. < 1473656903 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1473656933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might buy some shares in your 3x Bull Power Nine ETF < 1473656967 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473656983 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1473656986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mtg': MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1473657027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that supposed to be a pun on "tapping", a frequent action that can be applied to objects on the battlefield in Magic: The Gathering? < 1473657039 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you ever tap or untap something that isn't on the battlefield?) < 1473657055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. Only permanents can be tapped/untapped. < 1473657084 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any object on the battlefield is a permanent.) < 1473657091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the word "permanent". < 1473657098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really, i'd have used a better word if i could think of one. < 1473657123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange < 1473657128 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome aloril < 1473657142 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1473657143 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only permanents can be destroyed, sacrificed, attached to other objects/players, have status, etc < 1473657172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a permanent can be phased out. < 1473657197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; only permanents can be phased out (and most effects ignore them while phased out). < 1473657219 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully nothing can go in the phased out zone anymore. < 1473657236 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a phased out zone? < 1473657241 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473657248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be. Not any more. < 1473657255 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phasing has had many, *many* hacks to make it work in the past. < 1473657257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was just a phase. < 1473657260 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those hacks was a zone. < 1473657274 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A custom card I made up some time ago got a different function due to them changing this rule actually.) < 1473657292 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473657334 0 :izalove!~izabera@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish there was a Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange <-- all it takes is one big bitcoin investment hth < 1473657345 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not playing in an official tournament, you may also use proxies, by agreement of players involved; and custom cards, by agreement of players involved. So purchasing the cards is not always necessary. If playing Limited format tournament, you need not bring your own cards (it won't help anyways); you can purchase cards as part of the entry fee. < 1473657427 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657473 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always keep track of rule changes to Magic: the Gathering, far more often than I play, actually. < 1473657534 0 :izalove!~izabera@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Changing host < 1473657534 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657903 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473658218 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473658819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sound logic in today's girl genius. < 1473661186 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a pair of headphones that are so unconfortable they're killing my ears < 1473661187 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473661188 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in hell < 1473661513 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473662248 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets fire to izalove's headphones < 1473662332 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1473663400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/KSP/MurcielagoAtMun.PNG < 1473663449 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice sunset < 1473664790 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473665913 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473667038 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1473667045 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1473667045 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 7h 21m 32s ago: oerjan says it's really quite simple hth < 1473667045 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 7h 11m 31s ago: does that mean it's star trek < 1473667067 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in this case, ST stands for Student Tele < 1473667170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473667210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb and yes, it's quite simple. < 1473667235 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the VN then stands for vision Network) < 1473667252 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll link you all the episodes as they go online < 1473667282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREATS WILL GET YOU NOWHERE < 1473667549 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ć̨̽͑ͨ̏ͬ̈́̈͋͆͛͒ͩͥ̆̈́̑͗̑͢͏̡̟̳̤̝͈̼̗̦̝̯̤̦̝̘̩̣͡ͅỏ͂̈́͊́ͬͩ҉͉̥͖̬͙̹̻̫̼̬́͜͝ͅͅǘ̢ͧͭͧ̽̽̏̂̔ͤ̃̇̿҉̡̼̬͖̞͖͈̙͓̙̱̩̹ͅľ̸̨͚̖͇͈͔̘̟̺ͮ̀̓͐̽̾̂ͣͣͧ́̽̀̈́̕͜͜ḋͯ̾̀ͨ̆ͩͯ̾ͮ̂҉̷̟̥̻̠̞̮̺̫̖͍̪̼̳̗̘͈̠̻̣ ̷̻̹̰̖͇̬̺̗͙̩̙͔̻̻̘̟̻͎͙ͦ͊̄ͣ̇ͮ̾ͯ̾̓͂͂ͨ̍͑̈͒͠ < 1473667550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0106 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH ACUTE] [U+033D COMBINING X ABOVE] [U+0351 COMBINING LEFT HALF RING ABOVE] [U+0368 COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER C] [U+030F COMBINING DOUBLE GRAVE ACCENT] [U+036C COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0344 COMBINING GREEK DIALYTIKA TONOS] [U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS] [U+034B COMBINING HOMOTHETIC ABOVE] [U+0346 COMB < 1473669343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473669414 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473669722 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473669770 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473669932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...woooooooooooooow < 1473669953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albany was considering a law that'd make it a crime to walk away from Airport security (as in, leaving the airport without boarding your flight) < 1473670022 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK, I'm beginning to think Hillary might ACTUALLY have some health issues < 1473670062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't see why she'd run for President if she did (unless she was in denial or figured it wouldn't kill her in the next 8 years) < 1473670091 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaus at least it's not trump? < 1473670111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Hillary is /marginally/ better than Trump? < 1473670119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It boils down to shot in the leg vs. shot in the head to me < 1473670169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, the signs showed up during a 9/11 ceremony (she nearly collapsed when leaving, claiming she felt overheated. Trump is, of course, going to say something about how she was just bored and looking for an excuse to leave, because c'mon, it's Trump and that's exactly the kind of crazy thing he'd say), so it could've just been an emotional thing < 1473670170 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome tp the usa :p < 1473670190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure being emotional /doesn't/ cause your legs to give out usually; wouldn't it generally be the opposite? < 1473670230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the video doesn't look like that: https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200/video/1 < 1473670295 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], BBC is reporting she's been diagnosed with pneumonia < 1473670300 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tbh, outlook in germany is not that great either < 1473670349 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah, I think the world is either going to end in the next 2 years or this is going to be a long boring period that you'll have to learn about in history where everything sucked < 1473670521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever shoot a video the news starts asking to use, I'm going to have to make some absurd condition < 1473670561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "Yes, but only if you say 'All glory to ba'al the soul-eater' on air" < 1473670606 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "Cthulhu fhtagn" < 1473672588 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if she drops out, then Tim Kaine (her VP) would be a much better president probably < 1473672632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a nominee drops out, does their running mate become the nominee? < 1473672638 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1473672659 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically, the DNC would decide by a new vote of the delegates < 1473672666 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1473672676 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yep, looks like she actually has pneumonia < 1473672696 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was seen giving hug today to little children < 1473672712 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pneumonia is a huge cause of death for children under 6 < 1473672755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Your point? < 1473672791 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if it's contagious (is pneumonia contagious? I've always thought it was a symptom of various things, some of which are contagious) she might have passed it? < 1473672793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is pneumonia is really contagious < 1473672805 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or most causes anyway < 1473672831 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, then you can narrow it down to causes that aren't contagious < 1473672847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the news, I feel like we're on an exponential curve towards a tipping point at which there is an anticlimactic resolution < 1473672865 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Unless she didn't know < 1473672882 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe supposedly was diagnosed on friday < 1473673038 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one cause of pneumonia is stroke < 1473673111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473673124 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is parkinson's disease < 1473673124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to think there might be a serial killer on the loose in anchorage < 1473673146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think we're looking at this wrong; do lizards get pneumonia? < 1473673193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, WTF, there was a double murder at Valley of the Moon‽ < 1473673195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. lizards have lungs < 1473673491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooooooow, APD doesn't broadcast the police scanner anymore (and they encrypt the stream) < 1473673595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relieved that you mean Anchorage and not Atherton. < 1473673622 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/08/27/the-best-of-atherton-police-blotter/ < 1473674407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm convinced, definitely a serial killer < 1473675492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( If somebody comes out as gay on Wikipedia, does that constitute original research? ) < 1473676198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official "overheated" explanation suggests more robots than lizards. < 1473676961 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473676994 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialogue between coworker that does webthings and coworker that does zfs: < 1473677002 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- why are we still using less in 2016? < 1473677011 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- less? the command line pager? < 1473677032 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- no, less is... do you know coffeescript? well, less is to css like coffeescript is to js < 1473677046 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Um, lizards are coldblooded and need to move in and out of sunlight to control body temperature. hth. < 1473677046 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- . . . < 1473677337 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No new xkcd yet!? < 1473677549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I want to read a dinosaur comics that is more historically accurate AND where t rex wears more :,( < 1473677832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473677963 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that trump is increasing his stamina using amphetamines, i.e. adderall < 1473677998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's always jittery < 1473678118 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473679014 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473680219 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473682235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49711&oldid=49694 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+102) 10 < 1473682943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49712&oldid=49697 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+309) 10 < 1473683116 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473685231 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473685630 0 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-xyjlxsuvjcvracvd JOIN :#esoteric < 1473685872 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473687770 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473688432 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473688573 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473688892 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473689043 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473692004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473693864 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1473700259 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473700298 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700370 0 :moony!~ubuntu@221.96.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700437 0 :moony!~ubuntu@221.96.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1473700496 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700512 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boop < 1473700767 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473701953 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1473702036 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703002 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703255 0 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-174-50-100-100.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703293 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473705104 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1473705511 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1527.pdf very interesting < 1473705520 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no link bot in this chan? < 1473705524 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i bring mine? < 1473705591 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-researcher-discovers-integration-gets-75-citations/ < 1473705616 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473705715 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706323 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF that's even worse! < 1473706494 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means eight new expansion symbols per year. Four for ordinary expert level expansion sets, two for this "Masterpiece Series" they just announced (why don't they just print the expansion set's symbol in a different color for that), one for a casual supplementary product and one for a duel decks. < 1473706497 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's horrible! < 1473706530 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at least now they have the set code printed at the bottom, but still. < 1473706613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706683 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at least these cards will probably be rare, so maybe there's only six expansion symbols per year I'll commonly see. < 1473706915 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Magic: the Gathering stuff) < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:6: error: expected: "#", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",14↵… < 1473707399 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1473707440 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473707912 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? [:trigger [:upkeep :you]; :iif [:equal [:life :you], 1]; :do [:win :you]] < 1473709729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473709736 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's iif? < 1473709767 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess :iff < 1473710143 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intervening if clause < 1473710180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like the general idea. I'm not sure about the specific syntax and semantics. < 1473710321 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might you suggest to change? The syntax is RDF syntax. < 1473710402 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not yet sure what it should look like. < 1473710553 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473710714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473710776 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473711180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this format can help to implement effects of Magic: the Gathering cards in computer program, as well as to search the card database by effect (such as with Gremlin or SPARQL or whatever) instead of only by text. < 1473711321 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473711346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473711521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What I want is a small core set of rules, and for most keywords and so on to be implemented in a "standard library". < 1473711541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which just uses the same language that's used on cards. < 1473711592 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did too intend that keywords can be implemented in a standard library too, as well as various other rules can be implemented in a standard library < 1473711744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473711922 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473711946 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473712201 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473712368 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473712542 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473712580 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1473712598 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473713695 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473714887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "link bot"? < 1473714934 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :a title displayer, I guess < 1473714951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a good idea. < 1473714957 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect one of those do anything reasonable with a .pdf. < 1473714966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put your bot in here and have it /msg you the titles of links. < 1473714977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why not? < 1473714990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it seems like much to expect. < 1473714995 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it dispay titles, but not for every link it sees, but only when he's addressed? < 1473715009 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlbot, head http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1473715016 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it has that command < 1473715030 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, perlbot isn't here < 1473715054 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it answers in private < 1473715064 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473715072 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, answers when private messaged < 1473715291 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473715529 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473715548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnZb-ibenFA < 1473715971 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473716086 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473716822 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473718859 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473718949 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473718979 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719132 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473719363 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473719368 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473719388 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719523 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719594 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473719620 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719645 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473719666 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea for a hash table: < 1473719680 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- generate a bunch of primes < 1473719728 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- when you first allocate a new hash table, associate it the first prime in the list < 1473719755 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- when inserting, hash the key and multiply it by the table's current prime < 1473719775 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719791 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we get a collision, check the next k elements where k may be 1 for example < 1473719832 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if all the next k elements are occupied, we choose the next prime and try to rehash all the keys < 1473719858 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if we run out of primes, resize the hash table < 1473719980 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we fix k, this guarantees O(1) worst case search time, O(n) worst case insertion time and O(1) avg insertion time, right? < 1473720053 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be great if you access the elements way more often than you insert them < 1473720128 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473720146 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what did I miss. Who is izalove? < 1473720150 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me < 1473720155 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some version of) java used a simple formula like doing 3x+1 with a magic number starting point, iirc that generated a series of primes up to a billion < 1473720167 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I seen you here before, possibly under a different nick? < 1473720175 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera maybe < 1473720178 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1473720181 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1473720197 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just an alternate nick < 1473720215 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :planning to keep it for a while at least < 1473720239 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473720279 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that a super bad idea? < 1473720292 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't implemented it yet so i dunno how well it works < 1473720453 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you "check forbthe next element"? < 1473720474 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473720502 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!strcmp(key, table[hash+1].key)) < 1473720508 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1473720512 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473720619 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the role of the primes unless you make hash functions that hash to primes < 1473720631 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uhm < 1473720673 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least make it unlikely to have "relevant" divisors < 1473720684 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1473720708 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch the idea < 1473720720 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead let's use a set of different hash functions < 1473720770 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know cuckoo hashing? < 1473720773 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473720810 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably better eh? < 1473720901 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the primes thing was just to have an easy way to generate hash functions < 1473720914 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473720943 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one can use a hash function that outputs 64 bits and do something like (hi32 * prime) ^ lo32 < 1473720967 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that look reasonable? < 1473721107 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot figure out how to make a addon for Node.js (and on #Node.js channel, they don't help either). I looked at the NAN package but I do not understand it. < 1473721186 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does spund esoteric enough < 1473721248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While FFI is too slow. < 1473721300 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other stuff I have found fails to compile on this version of Node.js < 1473721309 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds bad. I hope you'll find other people on the internet who understand node.js and can help you. < 1473721478 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473721612 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473721803 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a few different packages for accessing SQLite from JavaScript but none of them are very good. < 1473722053 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them allow implement virtual table modules or VFS. I found sql.js which implements SQLite entirely in JavaScript (so there is no need for native addons), although it only works with in-memory databases (VFS support could avoid this limitation), and since it is implemented entirely in JavaScript it cannot use SQLite extensions. < 1473722092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that latter is scary < 1473722109 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you perhaps take one of the existing extensions, if they're of a good quality, and extend them? < 1473722528 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What latter is scary? < 1473722605 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the part where they implement it in node.js < 1473722770 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are addons so difficult? < 1473722860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen someone wanted to add built-in FFI support to V8 and that would improve it a lot. But, they don't do that yet < 1473722941 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can I ask why you're using node.js? < 1473722950 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just curious < 1473722996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is to execute a JavaScript program, so that I can write a JavaScript program with < 1473723045 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473723604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect that communicating through a pipe would be as slow as FFI, I think? Node.js doesn't even have a function to create a pipe. < 1473723750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473723943 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any C++ programming? < 1473724052 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me? yes < 1473724190 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you would know how to do it then. < 1473724196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially-useful function: sign-preserving power < 1473724253 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, I think in some circumstances it can help. < 1473724254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b^'p = sgn(b)*abs(b)^p < 1473724263 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do what? < 1473724273 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have had use for such in some program I have written once) < 1473724273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The most notable circumstance, I think, is root-mean-square < 1473724298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because negative numbers don't really go well in the root-mean-square AFAICT (they become positive) < 1473724302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: How to do Node.js extension with NAN. I read the documentation but I don't understand so well < 1473724324 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know anything about node.js < 1473724346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So replace the square root with the sign-preserving square root and instead of squaring numbers, sign-preserving square them < 1473724530 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some of the time, negative numbers are *supposed* to become positive when you root-mean-square them. < 1473724531 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root-mean-square is usually about getting the "magnitude" of something... I think. < 1473724550 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example is the way that we talk about AC voltage. < 1473724568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I thought it was just a different version of average with some different benefits and downsides < 1473724570 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When people talk about "120 volts AC", that means AC with a RMS of 120 volts. < 1473724583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Traditionally, is the distance between two complex numbers real or complex? E.g. do you just find the absolute value of the difference of their absolute values, or would it actually be complex itself?) < 1473724613 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Look at the documentation for NAN and see if you can understand that if you know any C++ programming. < 1473724617 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distance between two complex numbers is the absolute value of their difference. So it's always real and nonnegative. < 1473724625 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah < 1473724656 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( sqrt((a-c)^2+((b-d)^2)i) ) < 1473724657 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: got a link? < 1473724697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: https://github.com/nodejs/nan