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00:02:13 <oerjan> <\oren\> the same process has been running since May 16th <-- you did get the message that irssi has a security flaw, right?
00:03:47 <oerjan> @ask \oren\ <\oren\> the same process has been running since May 16th <-- you did get the message that irssi has a security flaw, right?
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00:05:20 <shachaf> oerjan: only relevant for people who use TLS, though
00:06:31 <shachaf> Also only relevant for people who use irssi version in [0.8.17,0.8.19]
00:06:43 <shachaf> \oren\_ isn't using TLS and is using (according to CTCP VERSION) 0.8.15
00:06:44 <oerjan> shachaf: i thought there was a part that was relevant anyhow...
00:07:20 <shachaf> Or maybe he cleverly set his version number back to fool attackers.
00:07:21 <oerjan> i see i'm running .17 on this host, although the admin _did_ apply the patch to it...
00:07:42 <shachaf> On Debian I'm using 0.8.17-1+deb8u1 which is said to be fixed.
00:07:59 <int-e> shachaf: https://irssi.org/security/irssi_sa_2016.txt ... nothing TLS specific there.
00:08:15 <shachaf> int-e: Maybe I misunderstood.
00:08:30 <shachaf> I might have confused two bugs.
00:08:34 <int-e> (it says something about TLS, but that's a limitation of irssi's /restart command)
00:09:01 <zzo38> I should write a new IRC client in JavaScript; currently the one I use is with PHP, but JavaScript is a better programming language I think. If I do that then I can also add TLS, and proper asynchronous stuff
00:09:04 <oerjan> on this host, the perl script i'm running isn't messing up tmux ... but tmux messes up itself in other ways :(
00:09:31 <shachaf> zzo38: What about a Gopher-IRC bridge?
00:09:56 <zzo38> shachaf: I think there isn't much point, although logs could be served using Gopher.
00:10:01 <int-e> shachaf: 0.8.15 may be fine though
00:10:13 <int-e> hard to say, and perhaps there were other bugs
00:10:19 <oerjan> figures that my admin would apply a patch in such a way that no one can see that it's a fixed version. i hope he at least did it right.
00:11:07 <zzo38> A server that has a built-in gopher too that can be used to serve status information too, though, could be made up.
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00:11:23 <oerjan> it is annoying that he didn't fix it on hagbart. so i have a choice between two partially broken setups...
00:12:00 <zzo38> I could also write IRC server program with JavaScript too.
00:12:34 <shachaf> oerjan: If you have Perl enabled, there's apparently a workaround script you can install.
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00:14:31 <oerjan> shachaf: i already did. it messes up tmux, as i said, although strangely not on this host, where tmux is however broken in other ways.
00:14:31 <int-e> . o O ( if this is debian, check dpkg-query -W irssi .. 0.8.17-1+deb8u1 is the patched one. )
00:15:04 <oerjan> yep, it's got that one.
00:16:47 <oerjan> hm i think hagbart isn't debian then, explain why he didn't fix it.
00:17:01 * oerjan has no idea how to find out the distribution
00:17:13 <oerjan> uname -a doesn't tell what it is
00:18:16 <oerjan> int-e: do you know a general linux command to find out which distribution you are using
00:20:03 <boily> hellørjan, int-ello.
00:20:05 <int-e> oerjan: I usually cat /etc/issue ... there's also lsb_release -idc
00:20:47 <oerjan> Kernel \r on an \m (\l)
00:21:16 <int-e> Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
00:21:18 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: etc :: [Doc] -> Docerror:
00:21:18 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: issue :: [Doc] -> Doc
00:22:08 <oerjan> ah it's fedora. as i vaguely suspected.
00:22:14 <int-e> anyway, lsb_release is sort of standard (lsb = linux standard base)
00:24:47 <boily> fizzie: fizziello. FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
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00:38:12 <oerjan> not very reliable logs today
00:38:51 <oerjan> pretty sure today is exceptional hth
00:39:13 <oerjan> also you left a trailing space, that will not do
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00:41:37 <oerjan> i was about to say it's the end times, but clearly it's the day of judgement.
00:46:02 <boily> moonythedwarf_: moo?
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00:46:32 <boily> today is a good day for 찌개.
00:47:28 <oerjan> boily: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/961.html
00:48:52 <boily> I put pork belly in mine ^^
00:49:21 <oerjan> as long as you can stomach it.
00:51:25 * boily is tempted to thwack oerjan, but will wait after he's done eating
00:58:23 <boily> mhellonythellodwarf_.
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01:06:54 <ais523> oh come on, there has to be a limit to porthello complexity :-)
01:16:21 <boily> his523. it's just like hot peppers: you start off with the easy ones, then next thing you know you're wolfing down ghosts.
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01:45:49 <Jafet> `` find -iname '*hello*' -a -perm -a=x
01:45:58 <HackEgo> ./bin/hello-world-in-any-language \ ./bin/hello \ ./share/hello \ ./src/ploki/examples/hello.pk
01:46:09 <Jafet> `` find -iname '*port*' -a -perm -a=x
01:46:12 <HackEgo> ./bin/sport \ ./bin/joustreport \ ./.hg/store/data/git-master/contrib/fast-import \ ./.hg/store/data/git-master/contrib/p4import \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/dist/_exporter \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/dist/_exporter/lib/_exporter \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/cpan/_devel-_p_p_port \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/_porting \ ./.hg/store/data/
01:46:30 <Jafet> `` find -iname 'port*' -a -perm -a=x
01:46:34 <HackEgo> ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/t/porting
01:47:40 <oerjan> i am not sure you really want to look in .hg
01:48:15 <Jafet> seems like it poisoned the search results
01:49:22 <oerjan> `` find -iname '*port*' -perm -a=x
01:49:25 <HackEgo> ./bin/sport \ ./bin/joustreport \ ./.hg/store/data/git-master/contrib/fast-import \ ./.hg/store/data/git-master/contrib/p4import \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/dist/_exporter \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/dist/_exporter/lib/_exporter \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/cpan/_devel-_p_p_port \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/_porting \ ./.hg/store/data/
01:50:42 <oerjan> `` find -iname '*port*' -a -perm -a=x | grep -v '\.hg'
01:50:46 <HackEgo> ./bin/sport \ ./bin/joustreport \ ./interps/fukyorbrane/report \ ./interps/bfjoust/report
01:51:33 <oerjan> i don't think those latter ones are working in HackEgo.
01:51:42 <HackEgo> bin/joustreport: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
01:52:03 <HackEgo> 2015-06-21 <tswett> revert \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> rm bin -r \ 2014-03-16 <oerjan> revert \ 2014-03-16 <elliott> revert 1 \ 2013-02-13 <ais523> revert 87c64ef250a0 \ 2013-02-13 <ais523> revert 3 \ 2013-01-12 <elliott> revert 1492 \ 2013-01-12 <FreeFull> revert 4 \ 2012-12-09 <oerjan> revert 999 \ 2012-12-09 <FreeFull> revert 0 \ 2012-06-08 <elliott>
01:52:17 <oerjan> `` doag bin/joustreport | tac
01:52:19 <HackEgo> 2012-06-08 <elliott> run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/joustreport \ 2012-06-08 <elliott> run echo "echo 'http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt'" >>bin/joustreport \ 2012-06-08 <elliott> run chmod +x bin/joustreport \ 2012-12-09 <FreeFull> revert 0 \ 2012-12-09 <oerjan> revert 999 \ 2013-01-12 <FreeFull> revert 4 \ 2013-01-12 <elliott> revert 1492 \ 2013-
01:53:54 <oerjan> i suppose that one isn't very useful any longer.
01:54:24 <HackEgo> distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore
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02:25:43 <HackEgo> echo 1 > /hackenv/tmp/spline; cat "${1-/dev/stdin}" > /hackenv/tmp/spout; spam
02:26:05 <HackEgo> line="$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)"; len="$(wc -l /hackenv/tmp/spout | awk '{print $1}')"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}p" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line+1))" > /hackenv/tmp/spline
02:26:20 <HackEgo> 2/16:s channel. kmc has good quotes. <shachaf> `quote kmc <HackEgo> 686) <kmc> COCKS [...] <kmc> truly cocks <shachaf> Well, in theory. \ 619) <oerjan> shachaf: wait, _you_ are in northumberland? <shachaf> No. <oerjan> whew <oerjan> we don't have room for more esolangers there. <shachaf> oerjan: Wait, *you* are in Northumberla
02:28:43 <oerjan> very logical naming scheme, that feature.
02:29:47 <FreeFull> `run echo "test 1 2 3 hello hi!" | sport
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02:32:12 <oerjan> `` yes | nl | head -1000 | sport
02:32:13 <HackEgo> 1/34: 1y \ 2y \ 3y \ 4y \ 5y \ 6y \ 7y \ 8y \ 9y \ 10y \ 11y \ 12y \ 13y \ 14y \ 15y \ 16y \ 17y \ 18y \ 19y \ 20y \ 21y \ 22y \ 23y \ 24y \ 25y \ 26y \ 27y \ 28y \ 29y \ 30y \
02:32:31 <oerjan> hm tabs aren't very pretty
02:42:05 <shachaf> Let me see if I can figure out all those names.
02:43:01 <shachaf> spam, spore = spam store?, sport = spore distort, spline = spam line, spout = spam out
02:43:33 <HackEgo> bin/spam \ bin/speek \ bin/spore \ bin/sport \ bin/spot \ bin/sprunge
02:44:23 <shachaf> speek = spam seek. or spout seek?
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02:53:19 <\oren\_> I think I've solved the last bug in the hangul generation software!
02:53:28 <HackEgo> 2015-06-21 <tswett> revert \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> rm bin -r \ 2014-03-16 <oerjan> revert \ 2014-03-16 <elliott> revert 1 \ 2014-01-17 <oerjan> echo "echo Woof!" >bin/spot; chmod +x bin/spot
02:53:29 <\oren\_> http://orenwatson.be/allchars.htm
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03:11:26 <\oren\_> http://orenwatson.be/korean.PNG
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03:15:52 <\oren\_> is anyone who can judge the quality of korean fontery around?
03:16:27 <\oren\_> "fontery" <-- srsly brain, why do you invent such stupid words
03:17:45 <\oren\_> some of the more complex hangul sylables still look bad, but it seems they aren't used much
03:44:28 <lambdabot> oerjan said 13h 6m 11s ago: Jafet said 1h 56m 15s ago: at the risk of rapid cerebral impact for this chilly necro: I was referring to http://pizzachili.dcc.uchile.cl <-- in this case, your cerebral
03:44:28 <lambdabot> impact is due to not quoting context for something i've forgotten ages ago -----###
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04:42:17 <lambdabot> oerjan said 10m 7d 2h 23m 19s ago: <\oren\_> oh its god damn tmux fucking up unicide <-- no problems with that character with tmux + irssi here
04:42:57 <\oren\_> I already forgot what character is was
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04:44:28 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 4h 40m 41s ago: <\oren\> the same process has been running since May 16th <-- you did get the message that irssi has a security flaw, right?
04:45:18 <alercah> `unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE
05:03:16 <\oren\> what characters should I add next? maybe Elvish!
05:03:37 <\oren\> er, the Tengwar of Feanor to be exact
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05:58:20 <\oren\> ok, done that. what next
05:58:55 <\oren\> oh, right what wikipedia article should I use for a korean sample?
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06:04:06 <alercah> unless you have a hidden 1 there
06:04:32 <alercah> exactly, so you have no integrand
06:04:52 <alercah> you need a function to integrate
06:05:05 <shachaf> no, i'm integrating a form
06:05:52 <alercah> the dx is defined as part of the notation to integrate
06:06:57 <shachaf> are you objecting because i didn't specify a manifold?
06:07:51 <alercah> no, it's assumed you're doing lagrange integration over the complexes unless otherwise specified
06:08:42 <shachaf> i bet you hate it when people write
06:10:58 <Jafet> if Manyfold writes an analysis textbook, would it be called Manyfold's On Calculus?
06:11:42 <shachaf> leibniz notation is too good
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06:20:37 <shachaf> The standard integral notation is actually pretty odd.
06:21:44 <shachaf> Say I : (R -> R) -> {R -> R} is the indefinite integration operator.
06:22:26 <shachaf> Then I guess "∫ e dx" means something like I(\x. e)(x)
06:22:54 <shachaf> Where e and the whole expression both have x free.
06:24:25 <shachaf> relrod: How's the topology or whatever it was you were doing?
06:25:02 <relrod> shachaf: well I got through the category theory course last semester, but the prof made it very topology-focused, and I haven't taken topology yet so I was lost for part of it
06:25:09 <relrod> a rather large part of it :(
06:25:14 <relrod> he hadn't taught the course before
06:25:39 <relrod> and he primarily does topology, so of course most of his examples drew from that
06:25:51 <alercah> shachaf: do you intend to use the indefinite integral there?
06:26:46 <shachaf> relrod: well, how can you be expected to learn anything? i think he owes you a topology
06:27:47 <relrod> I'm taking Real Analysis this semester...which is interesting because I suck at analysis. But assuming that goes okay, I'll be taking topology next semester.
06:27:59 <relrod> that prof usually doesn't teach it though, he just researches it.
06:28:05 <shachaf> relrod: You should take the sneaky path by readin _Topology via Logic_ by Vickers
06:28:19 <relrod> shachaf: He _loves_ that book. It's on my reading list
06:28:32 <shachaf> Oh, then he can't be that bad.
06:29:00 <shachaf> That book is good if you're used to thinking about computer science and logic and things.
06:29:18 <shachaf> Even though the sorts of spaces it talks about aren't the sorts people usually talk about.
06:29:19 <relrod> He's good at what he does. I think he could perhaps improve in how he conveys ideas to others, but he's really good at what he does.
06:29:20 <alercah> shachaf: well because the indefinite integral isn't actually a function (R -> R) -> R -> R
06:29:30 <alercah> it's actually a function (R -> R) -> R -> R -> R
06:29:31 <shachaf> alercah: But I wrote (R -> R) -> {R -> R}
06:29:48 <alercah> shachaf: do you mean something other than implicit by the curlies?
06:30:14 <shachaf> I guess that's not good notation.
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06:30:25 <shachaf> Well, you can point out that it's indexed by R if you want.
06:30:35 <alercah> since the result is indeed indexed
06:30:38 <shachaf> But all I was saying was that it's a set of functions.
06:30:57 <shachaf> Which happen to have the property that they all differ by a constant.
06:31:48 <alercah> ∫ e dx is more like I(\x . e)
06:32:01 <shachaf> No, it's an expression in x
06:32:33 <alercah> hmm I guess you can see it that way
06:32:47 <shachaf> alercah: Well, there are many arguments about these things.
06:32:47 <alercah> no I mean seeing it as an expression and not a function
06:32:53 <shachaf> What would you say dy/dx means?
06:33:05 <alercah> it means you're a horrible person :P
06:33:26 <shachaf> If you have D : (R -> R) -> (R -> R), then the obvious meaning (to me) for dy/dx is D(\x. y)(x)
06:33:41 <alercah> I'm not familiar with formalisms of leibniz notation, though I know it can be done
06:33:43 <shachaf> But there are some issues because Leibniz notation is so good.
06:33:58 <shachaf> I'm not talking about infinitesimals or anything like that.
06:34:12 <shachaf> Just what people mean by the expression "dy/dx". Which is usually not divison.
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06:35:42 <shachaf> can you believe they teach people how to do matrix multiplication before telling them what the individual numbers in a matrix actually mean?
06:35:49 <alercah> I don't think of them as operating on expressions really though, at least not in the syntactic sense
06:35:51 <shachaf> how do they expect them to make any sense of it
06:36:06 <shachaf> You would say that it implicitly operates on functions?
06:36:27 <shachaf> But you agree that dx^2/dx = 2x
06:36:59 <shachaf> So at least syntactically those things look like expressions.
06:37:25 <shachaf> Anyway, Leibniz notation is much better than that.
06:38:16 <shachaf> Then dy/dx = 2x/3y^2 or something like that.
06:39:12 <shachaf> Even though neither x nor y is a function of the one.
06:40:37 <alercah> but there you're relying on implicitly viewing y as a function anyway
06:41:01 <alercah> the real ambiguity comes before leibniz notation enters the picture
06:41:21 <alercah> is it x \mapsto x^4? is it not defined?
06:41:43 <alercah> then you can't take its derivative
06:41:58 <shachaf> You can make a graph of all the points where y^2 = x^2
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06:42:11 <shachaf> And you can ask what the slope of a line tangent to the graph is.
06:42:29 <alercah> sure, but that's not a derivative, and in any case you're ascribing far more meaning
06:42:42 <alercah> not to mention leaving open ambiguity when the graph fails the vertical line test
06:43:01 <shachaf> "slope of a tangent line" is a pretty good meaning for "derivative"
06:43:05 <shachaf> Even if it's not of a function.
06:46:43 <alercah> your example doesn't even work
06:47:01 <alercah> because if you're making a graph of all the points where y^2 = x^2
06:47:24 <alercah> that's the union of the lines x = y and y = x
06:47:47 <shachaf> Yes, it's kind of a boring graph
06:47:56 <alercah> but what does this derivative mean?
06:48:10 <shachaf> But for any point (x,y), dy/dx = x/y
06:48:23 <alercah> like, what mathematical object is "dy/dx" in this case
06:48:36 <alercah> it seems to me you keep adding assumptions to the notation here
06:48:58 <shachaf> Er, I assume you mean y = x and y = -x
06:49:16 <alercah> What do you even mean when you say "y^2 = x^2"?
06:49:17 <shachaf> Let's take a better example.
06:49:34 <shachaf> Well, I can say what I mean. I mean a graph.
06:49:52 <shachaf> This one: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y^2=x^2
06:51:02 <shachaf> But let's take the graph defined by x^2 + y^2 = 1, which is a bit more interesting.
06:51:09 <shachaf> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x^2%2By^2=1
06:52:23 <shachaf> We agree that this is a graph, and that neither x nor y is a function of the other one, and that at every point (x,y) in that graph, there's a tangent line?
07:00:32 <alercah> What is the mathematical thing you are trying to do here?
07:00:43 <shachaf> this is exploration, nt exploitation, yo
07:00:57 <shachaf> I'm talking aboout the great things that this notation lets you do.
07:01:10 <shachaf> Then maybe we can figure out how to formalize it.
07:01:33 <shachaf> I think the meaning of that graph, and the meaning of the tangent lines, is very intuitively obvious
07:01:54 <shachaf> So now we can say: d(x^2 + y^2) = d(1); 2x dx + 2y dy = 0; dy/dx = -x/y
07:02:02 <shachaf> What's d? I don't know exactly.
07:02:15 <shachaf> But at any point (x,y) on our circle, the slope of the tangent line is -x/y
07:05:02 <shachaf> In fact this is true for any radius of circle. Imagine we were only looking at the top half of the circle, and we said something like y = sqrt(1-x^2). Then the derivative as a function of x would be different for each radius. But this method reveals that it's always the same in terms of (x,y).
07:06:52 <shachaf> So that's pretty good. But you don't like this notation.
07:07:32 <shachaf> How about this old trick people do:
07:07:53 <alercah> I don't like it when people don't understand what they are doing
07:08:20 <alercah> In this case, I do agree that it shows something interesting, but that thing must be backed by a proof
07:08:38 <shachaf> dy/dx = Ky; dy/y = K dx; ∫ dy/y = ∫ K dx; log(y) + C = kx + D
07:08:38 <alercah> is there a way to formalize d in such a way as to make what you did a proof? probably, but I don't know it
07:08:49 <shachaf> alercah: Yes. I agree wholeheartedly.
07:09:12 <shachaf> I think this is a really good notation, and there must be a formalism that makes it work, more than just handwaving and special cases.
07:09:18 <shachaf> But I don't know what it is.
07:09:45 <alercah> so in the common case where it's being used for explicit differentiation, viewing dy/dx as a syntactic shorthand for a complex expression is fine
07:09:57 <alercah> but then you must be careful how you manipulate differentials
07:10:09 <shachaf> Can you give me a case where the obvious mafipulations don't work?
07:10:20 <shachaf> I call it mafipulation because it's unjustified manipulation.
07:10:28 <shachaf> I can't think of one either.
07:12:03 <alercah> probably something that inadvertently divides by 0
07:12:29 <shachaf> One where the differentials are to blame.
07:12:32 <alercah> I'll ponder it as I sleep maybe
07:16:43 <shachaf> alercah: If you think of counterexamples or formalizations or anything, I'd be interested.
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12:49:14 <izalove> where did noah keep his bees?
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13:15:34 <myname> did he have more than 2 bees? i guess 2 would probably have died horribly
13:19:36 <FireFly> boily: don' worry, he probably had two chickens too
13:20:28 <boily> always carry a spare chicken with you.
13:20:49 <int-e> it may you help cross ravines
13:21:25 <\oren\> can you judge typographical quality of these hangul?: http://orenwatson.be/korean.PNG
13:21:36 <int-e> I don't recall any ravens in the vicinity of Guybrush... hmm.
13:22:17 <int-e> \oren\: looks convincingly foreign *ducks*
13:23:51 <boily> \oren\: looks good to me. maybe stretch your ieungs a little bit more when they appear with a w- diphtong, and you're good to go.
13:24:42 <boily> for example, the ieung on 의 is too round.
13:25:45 <\oren\> oh, yeah. I should definitely fix that one. I think I'll just adjust it manually
13:29:35 <\oren\> speaking of alien, has anyone been so far as to make a sans-serif tengwar font?
13:30:43 <boily> there's a monospace one out there...
13:33:41 <lifthrasiir> \oren\: probably the most noticable problem is "고" and "과" (the vertical bit of ㅗ should be on the left side of the vertical stroke in ㄱ)
13:33:43 <\oren\> http://orenwatson.be/workingOnTengwar.PNG I knocked these off yesterday, I'm not sure if they're any good
13:34:08 <\oren\> lifthrasiir: got it. I'll fix that
13:35:20 <Jafet> tengwar's wikipedia article links to georgian script: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_scripts#Form_of_Asomtavruli_letters
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16:31:39 <wob_jonas> \oren\, I see you added hangul to your font!
16:57:20 * oerjan swats izalove -----###
16:57:31 <oerjan> there was a bee sitting on you hth
16:59:34 <wob_jonas> oerjan: a bee like http://pbfcomics.com/246/
17:01:40 <oerjan> <FireFly> boily: don' worry, he probably had two chickens too <-- fourteen hth
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17:03:45 <oerjan> redundant command is redundant
17:04:17 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ perl -e "$@"
17:12:57 <Taneb> oerjan, that seems a lot of chickens
17:14:40 <wob_jonas> `perl -e $x=sqrt 3;print$x+$x+$x; "I don't know what you guys are doing, but I must join"
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17:15:10 <oerjan> Taneb: seven pairs hth
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17:15:38 <Taneb> oerjan, or two sevens
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17:16:40 <oerjan> well each pair is supposed to be one male and one female. which, come to think of it, is a bit weird for chickens.
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17:32:17 <oerjan> quintopia: my aunt once had some hth
17:32:57 <oerjan> also, i think you usually keep only one rooster
17:34:22 <quintopia> did she keep brood hens or broilers?
17:35:47 <oerjan> not very sure. it's been more than 30 years...
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20:05:27 <HackEgo> U+06CC ARABIC LETTER FARSI YEH \ UTF-8: db 8c UTF-16BE: 06cc Decimal: ی \ ی \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: AL (Right-to-Left Arabic)
20:06:23 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unicode: not found
20:06:35 <HackEgo> U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN \ UTF-8: c2 ad UTF-16BE: 00ad Decimal: ­ \ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral)
20:10:06 <\oren\> `unicode cool, i can change the topic again | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | htt
20:10:09 <\oren\> 17:35 -!- Moonheart08 [~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf] has joined #esoteric
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20:10:52 <HackEgo> U+06A9 ARABIC LETTER KEHEH \ UTF-8: da a9 UTF-16BE: 06a9 Decimal: ک \ ک \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: AL (Right-to-Left Arabic)
20:11:05 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unicode: not found
20:11:08 <\oren\> stupid bluetoth mouse is malfunctioning
20:11:21 <\oren\> selecting things on its own
20:11:27 <ais523> hmm, how come \oren\ can spell unicode and evilnoon can't
20:11:42 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import re \ import sys, os \ import unicodedata \ def l(c): m = re.match('(?:U[+])?([0-9a-f]{1,5})$', c, re.I); return unicodedata.lookup(c) if m is None else unichr(int(m.group(1),16)) \ try: \ print u''.join(map(l, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ os.execvp("multico
20:11:46 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unicode: not found
20:12:02 <ais523> `unidecode <evilnoon> `unicode
20:12:03 <HackEgo> [U+003C LESS-THAN SIGN] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0076 LATIN SMALL LETTER V] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL
20:12:14 <HackEgo> [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+0063 LATIN SMALL LETTER C] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E]
20:12:23 <ais523> well that looks like it was spelled correctly…
20:12:34 <evilnoon> ais523: because im fooling with you, (SOFT HYPHEN)
20:12:35 <HackEgo> [U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I]
20:12:38 <\oren\> ais523: he put a soft hyphen
20:12:51 <ais523> I found the shy just before you told me about it
20:13:02 <\oren\> which if you had a good font, you'd be able to see
20:13:15 <ais523> doesn't that defeat the point of a soft hyphen?
20:13:48 <evilnoon> they are good for messing with people :P
20:14:15 <ais523> evilnoon: nah, I was fairly convinced there was a hidden character or homograph character in there somewhere
20:14:29 <ais523> just took me a while to find it
20:15:22 <evilnoon> (SOFT HYPHEN)s are also good for messing with e *winks at firefly)
20:16:03 <FireFly> I though shy's was how e messed with one
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20:18:18 <\oren\> that character is an interesting one because it never actually appeared on the greek drachma notes
20:19:24 <\oren\> instead, notes and coins bore 'Δρχ' on them
20:20:20 <ais523> `` echo <evilnoon> `unicode ais523 | cat -c
20:20:21 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
20:20:24 <ais523> `` echo <evilnoon> `unicode ais523 | cat -v
20:20:25 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
20:20:31 <ais523> `` echo '<evilnoon> `unicode ais523' | cat -v
20:20:32 <HackEgo> <evilnoon> `unicodeM-BM-- ais523
20:20:38 <ais523> take that, soft hyphen
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20:37:11 <lambdabot> oerjan said 4h 56m 34s ago: <\oren\_> I already forgot what character is was <-- well it is hard to @tell people who keep changing nicks all the time tdnh
20:45:17 <int-e> `` cd wisdom; grep -l invalid *
20:45:25 <HackEgo> grep: ¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ grep: icbm: Is a directory \ grep: le: Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ ☾_ \ ørjan \ reflection
20:45:40 <HackEgo> ☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers.
20:47:06 * luxon is anti ☾_, he sometimes spits out papers
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20:47:51 <moon__> well then, somone clamed the nickname 'moon_'
20:48:36 <HackEgo> Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse.
20:49:14 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts.
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20:49:51 <alercah> is music not a tanebvention?
20:50:09 <ais523> taneb didn't invent everything, you know
20:50:21 <moon__> `addwisdom music is one of few things taneb did not invent
20:50:21 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: addwisdom: not found
20:50:39 <int-e> `le/rn music/The result was a short burst of the most hideous cacophony in G minor.
20:51:03 <HackEgo> The result was a short burst of the most hideous cacophony in G minor.
20:51:57 <alercah> `le/rn the most hideous cacophony in G minor/The Most Hideous Cacophony in G Minor is a musical work often incorrectly attributed to Beethoven and/or Taneb
20:52:01 <HackEgo> Learned «the most hideous cacophony in g minor»
20:52:19 <moon__> `? the most hideous cacophony in G mino
20:52:20 <HackEgo> the most hideous cacophony in G mino? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:52:23 <moon__> `? the most hideous cacophony in G minor
20:52:24 <HackEgo> The Most Hideous Cacophony in G Minor is a musical work often incorrectly attributed to Beethoven and/or Taneb
20:52:33 <int-e> Given the context it should be Bach, not Beethoven.
20:53:05 <alercah> `le/rn the most hideous cacophony in G minor/The Most Hideous Cacophony in G Minor (Op. -3) is a musical work often incorrectly attributed to Bach and/or Taneb
20:53:08 <HackEgo> Relearned «the most hideous cacophony in g minor»
20:53:12 <int-e> (Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency)
20:53:31 <Taneb> I've been working on something with a friend but given I don't have access to a Rust compiler right now I've handwritten the code
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20:54:17 <HackEgo> evilipse: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
20:56:49 <moon__> <breifhackegointro>hackego's prefix is `, ` runs a script with a single argument, `` runs valid bash </breifhackegointro>
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20:57:33 <HackEgo> advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
20:57:48 <HackEgo> File: `advice' \ Size: 4096 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 directory \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 927683 Links: 2 \ Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-09-25 00:49:20.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-05-03 23:15:07.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-05-03 23:15:07.000000000 +0000 \ B
20:57:55 <HackEgo> whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000
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20:58:24 <moon__> hackego is built off a custom sandbox made by Gregor (hasent been seen in a while)
20:58:37 <moon__> go ahead, they dont care :P
20:58:39 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/advice
20:59:01 <moon__> int-e thats a invalid file
20:59:12 <HackEgo> rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
20:59:35 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: >~: not found
20:59:44 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~: not found
20:59:48 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /tmp: Is a directory
20:59:49 <HackEgo> rm: missing operand \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
20:59:55 <HackEgo> rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
21:00:00 <HackEgo> rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
21:00:20 <int-e> moon__: I can see it's a directory, but I wonder why it's not in the repo
21:00:31 <Sgeo> Etherium was forked? :/
21:00:38 <moon__> evilipse: we can rollback you know
21:00:49 <int-e> Sgeo: old news, or did they do that again?
21:01:02 <Sgeo> Old news (from this year)
21:01:03 <evilipse> `wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/itslukej/ComputerCrashyCrashy/master/Main.py
21:01:04 <HackEgo> --2016-09-25 20:01:00-- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/itslukej/ComputerCrashyCrashy/master/Main.py \ Resolving raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `raw.githubusercontent.com'
21:01:13 <int-e> Sgeo: I mean that was more than a month ago ;-)
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21:01:32 <HackEgo> jeffl35: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
21:01:37 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
21:03:06 <HackEgo> bash: lci: command not found
21:04:12 <HackEgo> advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
21:04:18 <jeffl35> moon__: did you make hackego?
21:04:31 <moon__> Gregor (hasent been seen in a while) did
21:04:36 <int-e> Sgeo: 3 months even... time passes so quickly.
21:04:45 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `rm: not found
21:04:52 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/tmp': Permission denied
21:05:04 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:05:13 <HackEgo> chmod: invalid mode: `/tmp' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
21:05:21 <HackEgo> chmod: changing permissions of `/tmp': Operation not permitted
21:05:24 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:05:25 <HackEgo> total 32 \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:05 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:05 .. \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 bin \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 dev \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:05 etc \ drwxr-xr-x 27 5000 5000 4096 Sep 25 19:53 hackenv \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:05 home \ d
21:06:06 <moon__> it will end in 30 seconds or a minute, depends
21:06:28 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:06:44 <moon__> evilipse: i recommend you stop
21:06:58 <moon__> dont abuse the darn thing :P
21:07:02 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:07:06 <HackEgo> chmod: changing permissions of `/': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4/features': Operation not permitted \
21:07:07 <HackEgo> chmod: changing permissions of `/': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4/features': Operation not permitted \
21:07:09 <moon__> its slow, it runs on the same server as the wiki ( i beleive)
21:07:10 <HackEgo> USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 1 0.0 0.1 1012 272 ? S 20:07 0:00 /init \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 20:07 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 20:07 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?
21:07:40 <HackEgo> chmod: changing permissions of `/': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4': Operation not permitted \ chmod: changing permissions of `/sys/fs/ext4/features': Operation not permitted \
21:07:41 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: htop: command not found
21:07:55 <moon__> kids in a candy store at night
21:08:12 <jeffl35> moon__: lets add a lolcode interpreter to otherbot :P
21:08:43 <moon__> int-e i think i broke something halp, either me or them
21:08:59 <HackEgo> abort: repository /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env not found!
21:09:34 -!- moon__ has left ("FIZZIE HALP").
21:09:49 <jeffl35> i didn't --no-preserve-root yet
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21:10:16 <HackEgo> abort: repository /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env not found!
21:10:36 <moon__> apparently hackego suffered annihilation
21:11:47 <moon__> fizzie? int-e? the mercuial is down
21:11:55 <moon__> the repository is gone
21:12:03 <fizzie> What you did was to remove all permissions from the hg repo directory.
21:12:13 <moon__> that was evilipse and jeffl35
21:12:15 <fizzie> So I will need to revert back a bit manually.
21:13:08 <fizzie> Yes, the sandbox stuff wasn't apparently really expecting that.
21:13:31 <moon__> so they found a way to bonk it. might want to patch that
21:13:52 <moon__> IF you know how Gregor's sandbox software works
21:14:40 <fizzie> I'm just looking at a suitable commit to revert back to (plus how to do it), because I'd rather not have those all-777 permissions everywhere, they look spectacularly ugly.
21:15:01 <moon__> 942e964c81c1 should do it, iots the first one before they came along
21:15:11 <int-e> fizzie: 942e964c81c1 was fine. were the chmods actually committed?
21:15:14 <moon__> its the one i reverted it back to repeatedly
21:15:55 <fizzie> int-e: Only the "chmod 777 / -R" is in.
21:17:37 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:17:43 <fizzie> That took quite a while.
21:17:50 <HackEgo> advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
21:18:57 <moon__> `le\rn evilipse\ the most evil of evil people, likes to use chmod 000 / -R
21:18:57 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: le\rn: not found
21:19:12 <HackEgo> ` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ welcome \ 1 \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \
21:19:18 <fizzie> It's the other sort of slash.
21:19:25 <HackEgo> /: \ total 32 \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:19 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:19 .. \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 bin \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 dev \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:19 etc \ drwx--x--x 27 5000 5000 4096 Sep 25 20:17 hackenv \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Sep 25 20:19
21:19:29 <moon__> `le/rn evilipse/ the most evil of evil people, likes to use chmod 000 / -R
21:19:41 <fizzie> That extra space in the beginning is a bit silly.
21:20:01 <HackEgo> the most evil of evil people, likes to use chmod 000 / -R
21:20:32 <fizzie> From what I've seen so far, I think "obnoxious" is a better adjective.
21:20:50 <moon__> `le/rn evilipse/ the most obnoxious of evil people, likes to use chmod 000 / -R
21:21:33 <jeffl35> ls -alR /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env
21:21:38 <jeffl35> `` ls -alR /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env
21:21:40 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env: No such file or directory
21:21:55 <moon__> thats a artifact of the bot's main script
21:22:16 <jeffl35> `` ls -alR /home/../home/../././././../home/./././././hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env
21:22:18 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access /home/../home/../././././../home/./././././hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env: No such file or directory
21:23:20 <jeffl35> `` rm --no-preserve-root -rf /home
21:23:21 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/revert': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/fe
21:23:24 <fizzie> That's not a path that makes sense inside the environment the commands run in.
21:23:46 <fizzie> Okay, that's just *stupid*.
21:24:02 <moon__> fizzie: if hackego has a block list, use it
21:24:44 <fizzie> There was some sort of a thing, but I'm not terribly familiar with it.
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21:25:19 <jeffl35> `` git clone https://github.com/justinmeza/lci && cd lci
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21:25:26 -!- evilipse has left ("Leaving").
21:25:30 <jeffl35> oh right Time-Wrap borked it
21:25:39 <moon__> ais523: dont look now, but evilipse decided to chmod 000 / -R
21:25:59 <ais523> moon__: where? hackego?
21:26:08 <ais523> that's easy enough to fix
21:26:21 <ais523> oh, does `revert not handle file modes?
21:26:29 <moon__> fizzie has to manually repair it
21:26:41 <moon__> it borks the bot entirely
21:26:42 <fizzie> ais523: `revert does, but the sandbox is all confused if there's no access to the repo working directory.
21:26:50 <fizzie> ais523: So I need to manually chmod, then revert.
21:26:55 <ais523> in that case maybe we've found a second way to break the bot
21:27:13 <ais523> I was quite pleased with myself when I (admittedly inadvertently) broke `revert
21:27:13 <fizzie> ais523: The stupid part here is that it was already done once, and then just repeated.
21:27:18 <ais523> so that it displayed an error message every time
21:27:31 <ais523> IIRC that still hasn't been fixed
21:27:53 <fizzie> I was trying to figure out if freenode's chanserv has some sort of auto-timed ban feature, actually.
21:28:28 <int-e> I don't think so; I've only seen the eir service bot handle ban timeouts.
21:28:41 <jeffl35> fizzie: you can timed akick
21:29:19 <fizzie> Well, maybe third time will be the charm.
21:29:23 <int-e> fizzie: is there a tr_60.cmd script with a hard-coded list of nicks?
21:29:28 <HackEgo> advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
21:29:34 <fizzie> int-e: There was something like that, yes.
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21:29:44 <fizzie> int-e: Though a nick-based list isn't exactly the most robust thing in the world.
21:29:47 <jeffl35> `` rm --no-preserve-root -rfv / # testing, plz no ban
21:29:57 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/meta_bg_resize': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/batched_discard': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/lazy_itable_init': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/cgroup': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0': Permission
21:30:15 <ais523> recursive rm /is/ something that the bot should be able to guard against
21:30:20 <int-e> (that may also be the right place to fix up permissions... though I'm a bit confused by the fact that they are getting messed up permanently in the first place.
21:30:28 <HackEgo> canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ factor \ good \ hw \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quotes \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
21:30:46 <ais523> come to think of it, it's even possible it'd delete the incorrect permissions and let the revert restore the correct ones
21:31:03 <jeffl35> anyways i want my lolcode interpreter
21:31:07 <ais523> although bin seems to be missing
21:31:09 <fizzie> int-e: Well, they aren't, really. The chmod 000 just sets the working copy directory permissions, and doesn't commit anything.
21:31:16 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `l*: not found
21:31:16 <jeffl35> `` git clone https://github.com/justinmeza/lci && cd lci
21:31:17 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `: not found
21:31:32 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `: not found
21:31:33 <fizzie> Huh, that's the weirdest.
21:31:44 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
21:31:46 <ais523> oh wow, it seems it deleted advice, bin, and ibin
21:31:50 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:31:53 <ais523> and left everything else the same?
21:31:57 <Time-Wrap> yeeeeaahhhhhh boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
21:31:59 <fizzie> ais523: Yeah. I think that might've been the timeout.
21:32:07 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
21:32:08 <jeffl35> `` git clone https://github.com/justinmeza/lci && cd lci
21:32:08 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: git: command not found
21:32:19 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: unzip: command not found
21:32:22 <ais523> jeffl35: it mostly doesn't have internet access
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21:33:15 <fizzie> That's probably Gregor's peculiarities, he's sort of a mercurial guy.
21:33:49 <moon__> if your lucky fizzie may be nice and throw the git repository in the bot for you
21:34:08 <jeffl35> i just like lolcode for some random reason
21:34:23 <moon__> tip: hackego does not support multiline
21:34:24 <fizzie> I'm not sure it's very well-suited for IRC, isn't it a bit verbose?
21:34:30 <jeffl35> HAI 1.2, I HAZ A POKE, GIMMEH POKE, VISIBLE "I POKES :{POKE}", KTHXBYE
21:34:59 <fizzie> Well, there's a built-in `fetch command that has internet access, you can download a tarball.
21:35:10 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/bin/sh': Read-only file system
21:35:23 <moon__> jeffl35: thre is a article for it on the esolang wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/LOLCODE
21:35:26 <moon__> could use some updating
21:35:45 <jeffl35> just tell people to go to wikipedia
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21:36:04 <jeffl35> (and the wikipedia article is fine except for file i/o)
21:36:33 <moon__> the esolang wiki article contains more info than the wikipedia article
21:36:43 <int-e> fizzie: I'm irritated that the permissions on the working directory prevent it from executing any command, even if it's in /bin. But I only know some bits and pieces of the bot, and they're probably outdated.
21:37:16 <fizzie> int-e: Yeah, it's a bit scow.
21:37:19 <int-e> (gleaned from gregor's public repos)
21:38:00 * Zarutian hopes that \oren\ gets over the Bluetoothache.
21:39:46 <myname> does anybode know an android app that lets you do basic image processing? most stuff i find just puts filters over everything
21:40:00 <fizzie> int-e: It might even be the UML refusing to run if given a --translate-write path with no permissions; I could imagine it trying to stat it or something.
21:41:22 <fizzie> I don't know; I seem to recall some logfile somewhere, but at least the main log (with all input/output) had no error messages in it.
21:42:04 <int-e> fizzie: Oh, darn, if the mount target directory isn't accessible, the mount call will probably fail.
21:42:32 <int-e> And there are quite a few things mounted directly under /hackenv
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21:44:10 <moon__> jeffl35: please state the purpose of having otherbot here >_>
21:44:18 <int-e> (well, at least .hg)
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21:46:15 <fizzie> int-e: At any rate, since `revert runs outside, as an easy fix it could do some sanity-restoring of the working copy first, since it then is going to run the 'hg revert' on it anyway.
21:48:05 <int-e> Yeah. In fact, ensuring that $HACKENV has +rwx for the user could just be enough, because then the mercurial repo is readable, and mercurial might be smart enough to figure out the rest.
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21:51:15 <fizzie> It's also scow how the web repository browser goes inaccessible when the working copy permissions are bad. Makes it harder to see what has happened so far. Maybe the whole transact logic should just in general enforce u+rwx on the env directory.
21:51:20 <fizzie> It's nice to speculate, but it's not like we've gotten around to fixing the previous issue either. I don't want to too much to the existing bot instance because I don't know if Gregor's actually "using" it still, and it might complicate future updates if I do a patch that's not in whatever source control he's using.
21:51:57 <fizzie> Well, maybe a shower will help.
21:52:54 <int-e> woo, my CaC has 8 days uptime and still no write or read errors on sda!
21:53:06 <int-e> I think that's some sort of record.
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22:02:03 <HackEgo> This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
22:02:12 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts.
22:02:55 <HackEgo> #esoteric-blah? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:03:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CatIsFluffy * New user account
22:04:08 <moonythedwarf> i wonder if mr/ms/mrs new user will get on the channel
22:05:21 -!- Cale has joined.
22:06:00 <HackEgo> cale: #hopefully: i: did: this: right: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric
22:06:28 <HackEgo> cale: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
22:09:41 <int-e> Cale is an oldtimer who has recently found the way to #esoteric.
22:10:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49760&oldid=49749 * CatIsFluffy * (+247)
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22:10:50 <int-e> (and I've also not been on this channel for most of its existence... I don't recall monqy)
22:10:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Minebit]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49761&oldid=46230 * CatIsFluffy * (+171) added detail about computational class with infinite data tape
22:11:15 <Cale> bbiab, I'm actually moving this computer :)
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22:12:29 <moonythedwarf> looks like someone hit the 'random esolang' button
22:12:58 <jeffl35> -lol HAI 1.2,VISIBLE "OHAI",KTHXBYE
22:13:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:CatIsFluffy]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49762 * CatIsFluffy * (+72) Created page with "I made the [[Talk:Quiney|Quiney interpreter]] and [[Syms]]. Good for me."
22:14:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:50.161.94.113]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49763&oldid=46320 * CatIsFluffy * (+49)
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22:17:40 <jeffl35> -pad HAI 1.2, VISIBLE "OHAI", KTHXBYE
22:17:42 <otherbot> Error opening file '/home/ubuntu/workspace/modules/lcipadcode'.
22:17:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Lazy evaluation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49764&oldid=42771 * CatIsFluffy * (+1) Finished article by request
22:18:02 <jeffl35> -pad HAI 1.2, VISIBLE "OHAI", KTHXBYE
22:18:41 <jeffl35> -pad HAI 1.2, I HAS A POKE, POKE R "moonythedwarf", VISIBLE "I POKES :{POKE}", KTHXBYE
22:19:00 <jeffl35> -pad HAI 1.2, I HAS A POKE, POKE R "moonythedwarf", VISIBLE "I POKES :{POKE}", KTHXBYE
22:20:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Syms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49765&oldid=46587 * CatIsFluffy * (-9) Hi!
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22:22:57 <zzo38> For aircraft weight and balance calculation the plot will have an envelope that has a polygon that it is necessary for the plot to be inside of. Is such polygon guaranteed to be monotone or other properties?
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22:25:55 <int-e> zzo38: doesn't look that way: https://sites.google.com/site/aerodynamics4students/table-of-contents/aircraft-performance-1/flight-envelope
22:27:10 <int-e> even less convex: http://s6.aeromech.usyd.edu.au/aerodynamics/index.php/sample-page/aircraft-performance/flight-envelope/
22:27:14 <moonythedwarf_> -pad HAI 1.2,I HAS A YAY,YAY R "IOVOID",YAY,WTF?,OMG "IOVOID",VISIBLE "PING.IO",GTFO,OMG "JEFFL35",VISIBLE "OHAI JEFF",GTFO,OMGWTF,VISIBLE "OHAI",GTFO,OIC,KTHXBYE
22:27:54 <jeffl35> oh and don't forget padclr
22:28:03 <jeffl35> moonythedwarf_: can you make padclr run automatically after lolr
22:28:14 <jeffl35> because once you KTHXBYE you can't really add anything to it
22:30:00 <jeffl35> -pad HAI 1.2,VISIBLE "lol",KTHXBYE
22:30:04 <otherbot> /home/ubuntu/workspace/modules/lcipadcode:1: expected HAI at: end of file
22:30:17 <zzo38> int-e: That looks different from the weight and balance plots that I have seen, and I do not see weight and balance calculation mentioned there.
22:33:06 <fizzie> For the record, putting a lolcode thing on HackEgo would be quite okay, though you'd likely need to find/make a tarball to get it there. And you could also add commands for a pad-like thing using a /hackenv/tmp/pad file for unversioned state.
22:33:17 <zzo38> The plots I meant have weight plotted on the Y axis and position on the X axis.
22:33:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49766&oldid=49055 * Luis Mendo * (+29) Turing-complete category
22:33:53 <moonythedwarf_> fizzie: i understand that, me and jeffl develop otherbot in javascript, a language we are familiar with, i may try and tackle it for hackego however
22:34:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MATL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49767&oldid=49766 * Luis Mendo * (+0)
22:34:39 <fizzie> Well, that's fine too.
22:36:07 <fizzie> Heh, I hadn't logged in to bitbucket for so long, they've completely revamped their account system as well.
22:38:05 <otherbot> Error opening file '/home/ubuntu/workspace/modules/lcipadcode'.
22:38:18 <fizzie> Ugh. Atlassian's account verification thing sends an HTML-only email, and the HTML-only email contains <img ... alt="Download images and then verify your email address!" />
22:39:57 <fizzie> I'm not sure what's in the images, because the verify-my-email link is also in the text.
22:40:04 <fizzie> Maybe they'll quiz me on the images later.
22:40:46 <fizzie> (The verify link is 520 characters long.)
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22:43:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[NRSRSSOMN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49768&oldid=39323 * CatIsFluffy * (+154)
22:45:38 <otherbot> jeffl35: echo ping pong eval flushq help list use store cash inv savecstate buy sell give kick ban unban op deop attack poke join part reload whois nick pyc pad pyr giac befr padclr lol lolr
22:46:29 <otherbot> jeffl35: echo ping pong eval flushq help list use store cash inv savecstate buy sell give kick ban unban op deop attack poke join part reload whois nick pyc pad pyr giac befr padclr lolr
22:47:12 <jeffl35> well, now it runs befunge and lolcode
22:47:30 <fizzie> That's even more suitable for IRC.
22:48:29 <int-e> zzo38: okay. take https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/images/ca-publications/chart1b.jpg then. (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_%28aeronautics%29)
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22:50:15 <moonythedwarf_> i wonder what the perfect programming language (that can be ran by a computer) would be for IRC
22:51:14 <jeffl35> fizzie: maybe if you don't download the images from the server then it won't let you verify, lol
22:51:39 <moonythedwarf_> tswett: annoying to sandbox safely, especially on a bot written in it (otherbot)
22:52:28 <jeffl35> tswett: my friend has broken every single javascript sandbox in existence
22:52:35 <izalove> moonythedwarf_: you can pass your code to something that runs in qemu
22:52:38 <jeffl35> including math.js, the VM module, etc
22:52:51 <jeffl35> izalove: that's no longer a sandbox, lol, that's virtualization
22:53:22 <tswett> jeffl35: including, say, Firefox?
22:53:34 <jeffl35> tswett: no, i mean in node.js
22:53:38 <izalove> moonythedwarf_: there's geirha/shbot on github
22:53:40 <zzo38> int-e: O, OK. It isn't a polygon, although it is still seeming monotone property.
22:53:52 <jeffl35> like something that is written in javascript but wishes to safely execute js code
22:54:06 <tswett> If you want something sandboxable, the only other things that come to my mind are Lua and .NET.
22:54:07 <jeffl35> -giac solve(32x^23-31x^2+1,x)
22:54:07 <otherbot> Help file /usr/share/giac/doc/local/aide_cas not found Added 0 synonyms Warning, argument is not an equation, solving 32*x^23-31*x^2+1=0 list[-0.179605302027,0.179605302027,0.996921666093] // Time 0.01 // Total time 0.01
22:54:23 <tswett> Oh, and don't forget Java.
22:54:25 <zzo38> Do you have version 6 of Node.js? If so, then you can use proxy objects.
22:54:41 <jeffl35> tswett: well with pypy-c-sandbox, python (rather limited) is sandboxable
22:54:48 <otherbot> Traceback (most recent call last): | File "app_main.py", line 72, in run_toplevel | File "app_main.py", line 578, in run_it | File "<string>", line 1, in <module> | NameError: global name 'efef' is not defined | [Subprocess exit code: 1] |
22:55:18 <otherbot> You dont have a valid codepad!
22:56:14 <moonythedwarf_> if one of you can make a sandbox Iovoid cannot break, then i will use that for JS
22:56:29 <zzo38> When using Node.js's VM module there are many considerations to make when executing sandboxed code. For one thing, to make the sandbox object with no prototype.
22:57:02 <zzo38> moonythedwarf_: What version of Node.js are you using though?
22:57:23 <jeffl35> zzo38: when iovoid reported the bug, they were like "oh well it wasn't designed for that"
22:57:43 <jeffl35> with constructors and such
22:58:28 <jeffl35> <iovoid> -calc x=f.constructor("return process.exit()");x()
22:58:49 <zzo38> Yes, there are things like that that can be done.
22:59:05 <zzo38> So, don't bring external functions into the sandbox exposed!
22:59:41 <moonythedwarf_> zzo38: we may try using a custom compiled copy of google's v8 engine for JS
22:59:49 <zzo38> You can create a function inside of the sandbox instead.
23:00:08 <zzo38> Can you install the latest version of Node.js? Version 4.5.0 is too old
23:00:59 <int-e> moonythedwarf_: HQ9+ with an abridged version of 9.
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23:01:54 <zzo38> I have version 6.4.0 on my own computer
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23:08:57 <zzo38> Also if you ensure that "use strict" is specified then you cannot use the callee/caller values to determine what called it.
23:10:43 <zzo38> OK, so you have already done that.
23:12:55 <zzo38> You could possibly to execute something like this in the sandbox to bring a function into the sandbox: (x=>y=>{ "use strict"; if(typeof y!=="number") throw new TypeError(); return x(y); })
23:13:13 <zzo38> (I don't konw if there are other problems with this, but this is one thing I have thought of.)
23:14:02 <fizzie> int-e: I like umlbox's sophisticated kernel autoconfiguration mechanism. (Makefile with "yes '' | $(MAKE) ARCH=um oldconfig" in it.)
23:16:41 <zzo38> (You also will have to be safe if the function you are wrapping is going to return any kind of object.)
23:18:59 <zzo38> Do you know how to write Node.js addons? I don't understand it, so I hoped you would know.
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23:23:56 <zzo38> I don't know, but I thought we might already have Underload on this IRC
23:24:00 <HackEgo> iovoid: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
23:30:21 -!- moonythedwarf_ has changed nick to evilmoon.
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23:32:11 -!- iovoid has changed nick to evilvoid.
23:32:11 <zzo38> iovoid: Do you know the way to sandbox that cannot break? I had several ideas including one is that the sandbox object should have no prototype, and other is to bring a function into the sandbox by executing a code like this inside of the sandbox: (x=>y=>{ "use strict"; if(typeof y!=="number") throw new TypeError(); return x(y); }) Other idea involved using proxy objects
23:33:45 <evilvoid> sandboxes at the code level can be broken easy
23:34:07 <evilvoid> Just because of how javascript works you can hide constructors
23:34:55 <evilmoon> we tried that remember evilvoid? you can use the constructor's constructor
23:35:27 <evilmoon> javascript can be considered self modifiying
23:35:56 <zzo38> I think since ES6 you can hide constructors if you are careful.
23:35:56 <evilvoid> All the things can be turned into functions with constructors
23:36:28 <evilvoid> like Number, Function, Symbol and that
23:36:42 <zzo38> You can create an object with no prototype, and primitives are not objects.
23:37:03 <evilvoid> Everything is JS is a object when operations are done
23:37:13 <evilvoid> like Object.toString(42) returns [object Number]
23:37:36 <zzo38> So a primitive number or symbol can be used without being an object. Yes, other than undefined and void, everything can be accessed their properties as if it is an object, but it isn't an object.
23:38:20 <evilvoid> try 42.constructor, it will return Number, and the constructor of Number is Function
23:38:27 <zzo38> A function is an object, but I suggested a way to wrap a function like the way I mentioned above
23:38:32 <zzo38> evilvoid: Yes, I know that.
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23:40:15 <evilvoid> In the function you said it wouldnt be a real sandbox, just a calculator with very limited options
23:40:35 <zzo38> Try this: vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42)==Function the result is false.
23:41:06 <zzo38> Because, the value passed is a primitive and not an object, so it has the sandbox's Function and not the outside's Function, that is why it is false.
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23:41:41 <zzo38> Do you understand what I mean now?
23:41:47 <evilvoid> > vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42).toString()
23:41:47 <evilvoid> 'function Function() { [native code] }'
23:41:49 <lambdabot> No module named ‘Object’ is imported.
23:42:45 <HackEgo> #esoteric evilvoid? ¯\(°_o)/¯
23:42:47 <eviljeff> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42).toString()
23:42:47 <otherbot> ReferenceError: vm is not defined
23:42:48 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:1)
23:42:48 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:42:49 <zzo38> Yes, the result is Function, but the sandbox's Function.
23:42:49 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:42:50 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:42:51 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:42:51 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:42:52 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:42:59 <zzo38> So, it is a different Function.
23:43:22 <evilmoon> -eval global.vm = require("vm"); // There, now it will work
23:43:22 <otherbot> { Script: [Function: ContextifyScript],
23:43:24 <otherbot> runInDebugContext: [Function],
23:43:36 <evilmoon> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42).toString()
23:43:36 <otherbot> 'function Function() { [native code] }'
23:43:36 <evilvoid> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42).toString()
23:43:37 <otherbot> 'function Function() { [native code] }'
23:43:55 <eviljeff> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42).toString()
23:43:55 <otherbot> 'function Function() { [native code] }'
23:44:06 <eviljeff> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42)
23:44:21 <evilvoid> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42)("return 2+2")()
23:44:41 <evilmoon> -eval vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42)("return process.exit")()
23:44:41 <otherbot> ReferenceError: process is not defined
23:44:42 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27)), <anonymous>:2:8)
23:44:42 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:115)
23:44:43 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:44:44 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:44:50 <zzo38> Try: new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("process.exit(1)")() See that it doesn't work.
23:44:53 <evilvoid> -eval Function.constructor == Function
23:45:06 <evilmoon> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("process.exit(1)")()
23:45:07 <otherbot> ReferenceError: process is not defined
23:45:07 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27)), <anonymous>:2:1)
23:45:08 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:118)
23:45:09 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:45:10 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:45:10 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:45:21 <evilvoid> You have to escape the context there
23:45:44 <zzo38> If you pass {} instead of 42 then it will exit, though.
23:45:50 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("process.exit(1)").toString()
23:45:50 <otherbot> 'function anonymous() {\nprocess.exit(1)\n}'
23:45:57 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("process.exit(1)")()
23:45:57 <otherbot> ReferenceError: process is not defined
23:45:57 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27)), <anonymous>:2:1)
23:45:58 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:118)
23:45:59 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:45:59 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:46:00 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:46:01 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:46:14 -!- otherbot has quit (Quit: Caught SIGINT).
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23:46:54 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return this")()
23:46:54 <otherbot> ReferenceError: vm is not defined
23:46:55 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:7)
23:46:56 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:46:56 <zzo38> Because, the {} passed is an object from outside of the sandbox and therefore has the constructor from outside of the sandbox, but if you pass 42 then it is a primitive so it is converted inside of the sandbox instead.
23:46:56 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:46:57 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:46:58 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:46:58 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:46:59 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:47:01 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:173:9)
23:47:06 <evilmoon> -eval global.vm = require("vm"); // There, now it will work
23:47:07 <otherbot> { Script: [Function: ContextifyScript],
23:47:09 <otherbot> runInDebugContext: [Function],
23:47:13 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return this")()
23:47:26 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return this.constructor.constructor('return this')")()
23:47:31 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return this.constructor.constructor('return this')")()()
23:48:10 <zzo38> See? It is not the same Function object.
23:48:17 <otherbot> ReferenceError: test is not defined
23:48:17 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:1)
23:48:18 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:48:19 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:48:19 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:48:20 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:48:21 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:48:34 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return this.constructor.constructor('return this')()")()
23:48:34 <zzo38> Do you believe me now?
23:49:03 <evilmoon> zzo38; give evilvoid time to test your theory out
23:49:42 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return (this.constructor.constructor('this'))()")()
23:49:56 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function(this.constructor.constructor('this'))()")()
23:50:00 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function(this.constructor.constructor('this'))()")
23:50:04 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function(this.constructor.constructor('this'))()").toString()
23:50:04 <otherbot> 'function anonymous() {\nreturn Function(this.constructor.constructor(\'this\'))()\n}'
23:50:11 <evilmoon> is the undefined incontext our out of context?
23:50:36 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function(\this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:50:36 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:50:37 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:50:38 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:50:38 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:50:39 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:50:40 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:50:40 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function(this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:50:41 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:50:42 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:50:42 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:50:43 <zzo38> If it is a primitive then it is irrelevant.
23:50:43 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:50:44 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:50:56 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:50:56 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:50:57 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:50:58 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:50:58 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:50:59 <evilmoon> otherbot is good for proving points in JS
23:50:59 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:51:00 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:51:01 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:51:01 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:51:03 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:173:9)
23:51:12 <eviljeff> evilmoon: not when it dumps exceptions into a channel
23:51:41 * evilmoon waits for fizzie to be done with his now hour long shower to come yell at us
23:51:42 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")()
23:51:43 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:51:43 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:51:44 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:51:45 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:51:45 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:51:46 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:51:47 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:51:47 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:51:50 <eviljeff> maybe it's just because we're using old node.js
23:52:02 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:52:02 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:52:02 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:52:03 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:52:04 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:52:05 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:52:05 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:52:06 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:52:07 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:52:08 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:173:9)
23:52:09 <evilmoon> i already installed the update
23:52:23 <evilmoon> nodejs is the latest, node is the 4.5.0
23:52:39 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))
23:52:42 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))()
23:52:45 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))()()
23:52:59 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))(42)("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:53:04 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')')()")
23:53:04 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:53:05 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:53:06 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:53:06 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:53:07 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:53:08 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:53:08 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:53:09 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:53:10 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:173:9)
23:53:17 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'this\')'))()")
23:53:17 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:53:18 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:53:19 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:53:20 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:53:20 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:53:21 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:53:22 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:53:22 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:53:24 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:173:9)
23:53:49 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return 2+2")
23:53:51 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return 2+2")()
23:54:34 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'return this\')')")
23:54:34 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:54:35 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:54:36 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:54:37 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:55:17 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('this.constructor.constructor(\'return this\')')")
23:55:17 <otherbot> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
23:55:17 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:55:18 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:55:23 <evilmoon> eviljeff: its alreayd installed idiot >_<
23:55:23 <eviljeff> restarting otherbot (update node.js)
23:55:27 -!- otherbot has quit (Quit: Caught SIGINT).
23:55:39 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return Function('return this')")
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23:55:57 <eviljeff> jeffl35:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ node -v
23:55:57 <eviljeff> jeffl35:/etc/apt/sources.list.d $ nodejs -v
23:56:17 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return x.constructor('return this')")
23:56:17 <otherbot> ReferenceError: vm is not defined
23:56:18 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:7)
23:56:19 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:56:19 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:56:32 <evilmoon> -eval global.vm = require("vm")
23:56:32 <otherbot> { Script: [Function: ContextifyScript],
23:56:34 <otherbot> runInDebugContext: [Function],
23:56:42 <evilvoid> -eval global.vm = require("vm"); // There, now it will work
23:56:42 <otherbot> { Script: [Function: ContextifyScript],
23:56:44 <otherbot> runInDebugContext: [Function],
23:56:47 <otherbot> isContext: [Function: isContext] }
23:56:50 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return x.constructor('return this')")
23:56:53 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return x.constructor('return this')")()
23:56:54 <otherbot> ReferenceError: x is not defined
23:56:54 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27)), <anonymous>:2:8)
23:56:55 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:138)
23:56:56 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:56:56 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:57:06 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return 42.constructor.constructor('return this')")()
23:57:06 <otherbot> SyntaxError: Invalid or unexpected token
23:57:07 <otherbot> at eval (eval at <anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:27), <anonymous>:1:2)
23:57:07 <otherbot> at .code (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:65:17)
23:57:08 <otherbot> at run (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:48:10)
23:57:09 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.<anonymous> (/home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:252:25)
23:57:09 <otherbot> at emitThree (events.js:116:13)
23:57:10 <otherbot> at EventEmitter.emit (events.js:194:7)
23:57:11 <otherbot> at /home/ubuntu/workspace/ircbot.js:192:17
23:57:12 -!- otherbot has quit (Client Quit).
23:57:17 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this')")()
23:57:34 -!- otherbot has joined.
23:57:45 <eviljeff> lets hope 6.6.0 doesn't break anything
23:57:51 <evilvoid> -eval global.vm = require("vm"); // There, now it will work
23:57:51 <otherbot> { Script: [Function: ContextifyScript],
23:57:53 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this')")()
23:57:53 <otherbot> runInDebugContext: [Function],
23:57:56 <otherbot> isContext: [Function: isContext] }
23:57:56 <zzo38> "return this" won't help and won't depend on where the function comes from anyways.
23:58:00 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this')")()
23:58:03 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this')")()()
23:58:51 <eviljeff> evilvoid esoterically attempts to prove a point
23:59:11 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this.constructor.constructor(\'return this\')')")()()
23:59:11 <otherbot> [SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list]
23:59:19 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this.constructor.constructor(\"eturn this\")')")()()
23:59:19 <otherbot> [SyntaxError: Unexpected token this]
23:59:21 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this.constructor.constructor(\"return this\")')")()()
23:59:35 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this.constructor.constructor(\"return this\")')")()()()
23:59:43 <evilvoid> -eval new (vm.runInContext("(x=>x.constructor.constructor)",vm.createContext(Object.create(null)))(42))("return JSON.stringify.constructor('return this.constructor.constructor(\"return process\")')")()()()
23:59:43 <otherbot> [ReferenceError: process is not defined]