00:00:12 <oerjan> i mean, yeppavilion[1]
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00:14:00 <izalove> has anyone found flaws in pcg random? http://www.pcg-random.org
00:27:07 <hppavilion[1]> "You don't need an infinite number of monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare; 2^524288 is ample."
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00:49:22 <hppavilion[1]> If we use the system SI+¤, where ¤ is defined as the value of one gram of gold- currently USD 42.42291 (calculated as cost of 1 kg/100) (eq. EUR 37.92), what are the interpretations of powers of ¤?
01:06:28 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: ¤² would be the unit for evil hth
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01:09:22 <hppavilion[1]> (#esoteric-style SI uses the base units Metre (m), Gram (g), Second (s), Ampere (A), Kelvin (K), Candela (cd), Mole (mol), Currency (u), and Shachafs (sh))
01:11:19 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: also, you have the capitalization backwards, it should be shachaf (Sh)
01:12:00 <oerjan> fully written SI units are never capitalized
01:12:30 <oerjan> and the abbreviation gets capitalized if it's from a person.
01:12:50 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: But what's the rule if it's a person whose name isn't capitalized?
01:13:13 <oerjan> we'll nuke that bridge when we come to it
01:14:04 <oerjan> pretty sure shachaf (huh, he's not here) capitalizes his name outside irc
01:14:48 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Capitalizes 'shachaf' or his irl name? Or is he named 'Shachaf' (or something closely related) IRL?
01:14:52 <oerjan> although it's also rather unusual for a unit to be from the first name...
01:16:35 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: There were 3 options. Which is the latter?
01:17:02 <hppavilion[1]> (I guess latter COULD work with arbitrarily many options, always meaning the last one? And if there's only one option, the latter is the same as the former)
01:18:04 <hppavilion[1]> So I guess it'd either be Sh or S (probably not S because sieverts)
01:18:39 <oerjan> he's named Shachaf hth
01:20:50 <hppavilion[1]> 'Shahaf' is a Hebrew given name. Apparently related to "seagull"
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01:28:58 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well it's the same in hebrew. the transliteration may differ.
01:38:59 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: in modern israeli hebrew, it's pronounced like the german ch, but it used to be closer to (but not the same as) h, and still is in a few dialects. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth#Hebrew_.E1.B8.A4et
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05:13:54 <\oren\> It might seem unethical to win world war II by advancing across europe under cover of a nuclear bombing every 7 days, but hey, I'm sure hitler has done something worse
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06:23:34 <hppavilion[1]> What are the traditional someone-died-and-we're-all-very-sad songs?
06:24:49 <hppavilion[1]> The only properly-traditional one I know is Auld Lang Syne, though Days Gone Bye (the Pony version designed so small children aren't confused) could count
06:25:00 <hppavilion[1]> And Long Live the Queen by Frank Turner SHOULD be traditional...
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07:42:22 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, the Hedgehog was only domesticated in the 1980s
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08:00:39 <Taneb> \oren\, have you been playing hearts of iron
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08:28:27 <hppavilion[1]> There's something wrong with http://suprah2.com/about-us
08:29:32 <Hoolootwo> I'm pretty sure that there's at least one fact there
08:30:56 <Hoolootwo> I read it again and I'm not so sure about there being a single fact
08:38:47 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], doubling the hydrogen is probably safer than doubling the oxygen
08:39:36 <Hoolootwo> I'm not sure what H4O would do, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be pretty
08:39:58 <Taneb> Hoolootwo, I'm not sure it's physically possible
08:42:01 <Hoolootwo> yeah, pretty sure it isn't, and if it is, it's some crazy intermediate
08:44:45 <Taneb> But if you double the oxygen in each molecule, you're not going to have a very fun time drinking it
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10:19:30 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently Japanese games used to tell you characters' blood types because (some of) the Japanese believe that determines personality
10:22:33 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], it's certainly a lot less illogical than astrology
10:24:16 <Hoolootwo> well, it can affect your chances of getting/having/not dying from certain diseases
10:24:29 <Hoolootwo> but that's a far cry from personalites
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10:34:43 <Taneb> Hoolootwo, an awful lot closer than rocks millions of miles away
10:34:47 <Taneb> But yes, it's still a bit odd
10:46:35 <lifthrasiir> Hoolootwo: if some comics or so introduce a fictitious discovery that _does_ prove some linkage between blood types and personality, then I would say it is reasonable :p
10:48:42 <myname> i'd say it is as popular as that birthday bullshit
10:49:46 <myname> no, the belief that the date of birth somehiw determines your character
10:51:08 <Hoolootwo> it's almost imaginable that the season in which you were born could determine how you were brought up in the first few months, but really, it doesn't matter that much
10:52:08 <lifthrasiir> Hoolootwo: I've heard that there indeed is a correlation, but to be frank it's mostly a problem of the inflexible education schedule
10:54:36 <Hoolootwo> yeah, at least in my school there were people about 10 to 12 months apart in the same grade, which could definitely cause differences
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11:20:28 <wob_jonas> lifthrasiir: the blood type thing was the latest fad for a few years in Europe too. in fact, I assumed it came from Europe.
11:21:16 <wob_jonas> Mind you, I don't really understand how they work, because most people don't even know what their blood type is until they donate blood or have a serious surgery.
11:21:31 <lifthrasiir> wob_jonas: do not underestimate the role of Japan in the world of superstitions...
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11:24:03 <wob_jonas> ah, from an internet search, apparently there might be two different blood type superstitons, a western one and a Japanese one, although they could eventually relate
11:24:23 <wob_jonas> as for magical water, there are lots of different ones sold here.
11:27:43 <wob_jonas> mineral water with various compositions, stinky sulphur water from hot springs, acidic drinking water, water with supposedly reduced deuterium content, pí-víz (whatever that means), ordinary tap water bottled under fancy expensive names, ordinary water for homeopathy in tiny glass jars,
11:28:10 <wob_jonas> oh, and various magical water filters for filtering tap water at your home too
11:29:22 <wob_jonas> oh, and these tap machines that give you water from a 50 liter water bulb brought there the dirty way with trucks instead of through pipes
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11:38:45 <myname> https://youtu.be/xP5-iIeKXE8 so meta
11:39:45 <lifthrasiir> myname: so when would there be a self-populating metapixel in life? :)
11:43:29 <boily> @ask hppavilion[1] pice?
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12:03:04 <lambdabot> quintopia said 17h 57m 51s ago: reminder that i'll be at niagara in a week and a half.
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12:03:39 <boily> `` culprits wisdom/numbers
12:30:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Manufactoria]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49811&oldid=39424 * Martin Ender * (+18)
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15:28:45 <moonythedwarf> i made hello world in a esolang im working on, just for proof of concept
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15:36:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49814 * Moon * (+91) Created page with "'''Gravbox''' is a 2 dimensional esolang with a concept of gravity created by [[User:Moon]]"
15:36:22 <oerjan> <Taneb> But if you double the oxygen in each molecule, you're not going to have a very fun time drinking it <-- i have this vague memory of using H2O2 for some medical purpose once. Possibly it was for my teeth.
15:36:42 <oerjan> it's a pretty good disinfectant, i think.
15:39:20 <oerjan> or perhaps was for cleaning that dental plate i used...
15:42:14 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: are you sure that hello world isn't backwards?
15:42:55 <Taneb> oerjan, it's a strong bleach
15:43:25 <Taneb> So teeth makes sense
15:45:26 <Hoolootwo> the second one says that he would like some H2O, too
15:58:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49815&oldid=49814 * Moon * (+1792) Finished documentation
16:00:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49816&oldid=49815 * Moon * (+96)
16:02:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49817&oldid=49816 * Moon * (+46)
16:05:19 * moonythedwarf gives oerjan e=a thanks for pointing out my Hello, World! program in gravbox was backwards
16:07:45 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: with only a stack, you will need to use unbounded integers for that hth
16:09:09 <oerjan> good. something like fractran might be reasonably easy to compile to this.
16:09:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49818&oldid=49817 * Moon * (+33)
16:10:19 <moonythedwarf> first question for myself: how would i reverse the order of the stack?
16:10:35 <oerjan> that's precisely the thing that's impossible.
16:11:06 <oerjan> you'd need to convert the entire stack to a godel numbering.
16:12:03 <moonythedwarf> huh. maybe that would work using duplicate to make the division undistructive...
16:12:13 <moonythedwarf> wow i think you could make a stack inside the stack
16:13:43 <oerjan> i think you have too few stack operations, you cannot get below the top element without destroying info
16:14:07 <moonythedwarf> true, how about a rotate? move top of stack to bottom or bottom to top
16:14:31 <moonythedwarf> or how could i change one of the instructions to do it?
16:14:35 <oerjan> that would give you a queue, which should be plenty for tc-ness.
16:15:02 <oerjan> even without using unbounded numbers
16:16:31 <oerjan> i think possibly all you need is a swap operation, given clever enough arithmetic
16:16:46 <oerjan> (swap top two elements)
16:17:47 <oerjan> that'll be enough to pair elements into one while keeping all info in them, theoretically (but awkwardly)
16:19:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49819&oldid=49818 * Moon * (+48) Added the : instruction, thanks Oerjan!
16:20:30 <moonythedwarf> oerjan: simply being able to be compiled from/to a TC language is enough right?
16:20:31 <oerjan> this language seems designed to confuse underloaders
16:20:43 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: from, yep.
16:21:18 <moonythedwarf> i was just trying to avoid using any letters for commands.
16:21:31 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: ^:% are :~! in underload
16:22:55 <oerjan> compiling _to_ a TC language is just not being uncomputable, which your language pretty obviously fulfils so far.
16:24:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49820&oldid=49819 * Moon * (+109) Added Categorys
16:25:46 <moonythedwarf> Soo if i compile underload to Gravbox, its turing complete..
16:26:18 <oerjan> (still think fractran will be simpler)
16:26:49 <oerjan> or well, assuming / is integer division.
16:27:09 <moonythedwarf> oerjan: | is integer division, im thinking up a encoding scheme
16:28:13 <oerjan> well the thing about fractran is you don't really need any encoding.
16:29:32 <oerjan> fractran generally wants something like 2^n*3^m*5^k
16:29:52 <moonythedwarf> this here is to store '13' and give space for another 2 digit number: 91+3+91+91+**
16:32:04 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: i mean for encoding, it'll avoid all those 91+
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16:34:32 <oerjan> although if you also use a-zA-Z, you can probably compress things but it'll be strangely irregular
16:35:34 <oerjan> those are the same, ascii is a subset of utf-8 by design
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16:55:53 <\oren\> yeah, I'm not sure if HOI4 ever ends. I have a game that's almost reached 1952
17:03:02 <\oren\> No enemy bomber can reach the Ruhr. If one reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Göring. You may call me Meyer. -Hermann Meyer
17:14:07 <moonythedwarf> oerjan: even better encoding of 13 into a group: 49+91+^**
17:14:56 <ais523> which language is that? Befunge?
17:15:33 <ais523> wait, no, there wouldn't be a reason for the second * there
17:15:48 <moonythedwarf> New esolang :P im tyring to prove the turing completeness of Gravbox (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Gravbox)
17:16:14 <moonythedwarf> thats 13*100, making space for another 2 digit number
17:17:20 <moonythedwarf> im trying to figure out how to implent Fractran, which oerjan said would probably be the most easy to implent
17:18:46 <ais523> haven't looked at the language yet
17:18:57 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: mind you, i did say compiling, not interpreting.
17:20:29 <oerjan> much easier than interpreting, i think
17:20:33 <ais523> it's not explained all that clearly
17:20:33 <ais523> I assume that commands run when a ball passes over them?
17:21:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49821&oldid=49820 * Moon * (+37)
17:21:54 <ais523> is the stack a stack of bignums? if not, a TCness proof is much harder
17:22:20 <ais523> actually I kind-of like the version of the language where you have to send balls into the blankness around the program in order to store data
17:24:40 <ais523> moonythedwarf: the language doesn't specify the stack width
17:24:46 <ais523> and it's highly relevant here
17:24:57 <ais523> I was considering two versions of the language, one where it's a bignum, the other where it's bounded
17:25:19 <moonythedwarf> wise. the stack always starts with a single 0 and has no bounds on number size
17:25:26 <oerjan> ooh, you actually _might_ be able to store info in such balls...
17:25:40 <oerjan> that would need essential use of the gravity, too
17:26:59 <moonythedwarf> * `>`: Take a item off the top of the stack and store it in a ball.
17:27:00 <oerjan> hm might be tricky though
17:27:01 <moonythedwarf> * `<`: Take the item in a ball and store it in the stack.
17:27:02 <ais523> oerjan: I think it'd probably work best if you had two balls at opposite sides of the program, the distance between them stores one value
17:27:08 <ais523> then you use the height of the stack fo the toher
17:27:44 <oerjan> ais523: the somewhat tricky part is that all the balls fall in the same direction
17:28:03 <ais523> that's why you have two balls at opposite sides to store one piece of data
17:28:32 <moonythedwarf> ais523: i dont get it. plus. you can have more than 2 balls
17:29:24 <oerjan> it seems awkward to control many balls outside the main program area
17:29:26 <ais523> moonythedwarf: I know, but you can't move balls independently of each other
17:29:59 <ais523> also < and > make stack manip much easier but don't seem to add any computational power, whether you're using bignums or smallnums
17:31:22 <moonythedwarf> most likely not, as that could be considered a wimpmode :P
17:32:25 <oerjan> <moonythedwarf> is that what you are thinking of oerjan? <-- i certainly wasn't imagining adding a new command for it. that sounds too easy.
17:33:07 <oerjan> just manipulating balls with clever use of gravity adjustments and #s
17:35:27 <moonythedwarf> oerjan, ais523: so whats your view on the possibility of Gravbox being turing complete?
17:35:50 <oerjan> as i already said, i think you can compile fractran to it, with bignums.
17:36:09 <oerjan> i'm less sure how easy ais523's idea is.
17:36:27 <ais523> I think it probably is, even without bignums
17:36:41 <ais523> but that actually getting it to work will be very difficult
17:37:01 * moonythedwarf still wants proof, and will work towards a proof of concept
17:37:08 <ais523> especially because the control flow "inside" the porgram is affected by the data flow outside the program, as they're both based on the same gravity
17:37:37 <oerjan> ais523: that's why you certainly need to use #
17:38:31 <moonythedwarf> however, i think someone clever would realise \/ has the same function as a wall if gravity is going down for example
17:39:02 <oerjan> oh, that's a bit confusing
17:39:18 <oerjan> are you saying \/ do _not_ change gravity?
17:40:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Gravbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49822&oldid=49821 * Moon * (+56) Confusion fix
17:40:51 <moonythedwarf> a ball that falls down onto a / will go left. and continue falling down
17:41:23 <oerjan> ok. btw what happens if it falls onto it from below >:)
17:42:22 <oerjan> um that's the ball's right
17:43:08 <oerjan> yeah the description seems to assume falling down
17:43:30 <moonythedwarf> oerjan: if you have a better description, please change it
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17:48:53 * moonythedwarf personally hopes oerjan might help a bit more with turing complete proof. because im stuck trying to figure out a implentation
17:50:09 <oerjan> i'm thinking with ais523's idea, it might be enough with two balls, one inside the program area and one (usually) outside it.
17:50:50 <oerjan> and you can store one register in the latter, and one in the stack depth, as he said, which is enough to do a 2-reg minsky machine (or indirectly, fractran)
17:51:20 <oerjan> its distance from the program stores one natural number.
17:51:45 <oerjan> there'll be a @ at the edge the program that it'll occasionally hit when its 0.
17:51:57 <oerjan> and that's the only interaction it needs, i think.
17:52:24 <oerjan> it's _supposed_ to roam free.
17:52:40 <oerjan> otherwise there's no way to store unbounded data in it.
17:53:07 <moonythedwarf> but what if it runs into the program? it will break the program
17:53:22 <oerjan> also, it can only hit the @ when the other ball is at the opposite edge of the program, at a specific point.
17:53:52 <oerjan> well the program will be designed so that never happens.
17:54:02 <moonythedwarf> well first i need to come up with more example programs. i dunno if a quine is actually possible
17:54:02 <ais523> the basic idea is for the @ at the edge to only run back and forth along a specific line
17:54:13 <ais523> moonythedwarf: if the language is TC, it is
17:54:26 <ais523> but may require embedding an interpreter for some other language in it
17:55:09 * moonythedwarf wonders if letting the program run a command on the stack would be a good idea
17:55:39 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: if you want to go for the fractran-with-unbounded-numbers tc proof instead, that should be easier.
17:55:59 <oerjan> i think a quine might be awkward.
17:56:07 <oerjan> moonythedwarf: on the wiki?
17:56:41 <oerjan> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran
17:57:19 <oerjan> it's all in the second paragraph, really.
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18:02:42 <oerjan> i suspect a quine will be somewhat large, because the language has very awkward (aka you have to design it yourself) string handling
18:03:07 <myname> i'd love tp see a quine in funciton
18:03:12 <oerjan> so none of the shortcuts will work.
18:03:16 <myname> that'd be glorious as fuck
18:05:11 <myname> i guess quines in 2d languages are quite hard in comparisson, aren't they?
18:05:21 <myname> like, is there even a quine for befunge?
18:05:44 <oerjan> well befunge has program reading capability
18:05:57 <myname> no cheating quines, please
18:06:00 <oerjan> but i don't think it's impossible even without using that
18:06:23 <oerjan> it has reasonable string handling
18:07:11 <myname> funciton has string handling, but it seems kinda limited
18:07:22 <myname> but well, just print out the string functions, too
18:08:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Al Dente examples]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49823&oldid=46228 * CatIsFluffy * (+244) added correct addition code
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18:45:04 <quintopia> what is the least esoteric language on the wiki
18:45:30 <shachaf> The most exoteric language?
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18:48:00 <int-e> hmm, http://esolangs.org/wiki/BANCStar wasn't meant to be esoteric.
18:48:40 <int-e> But in practice I rather suspect it's less known than Brainfuck.
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18:50:09 <HackEgo> [U+0043 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C] [U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O] [U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B] [U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O] [U+004C LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L]
18:50:44 <int-e> http://esolangs.org/wiki/COBOL ... why the name...
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18:58:48 <int-e> and of course there are a few that are really mathematical in spirit, like Fractran
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19:02:31 <int-e> More aiming at the "language" part, and also playing advocatus diaboli.
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19:03:23 <int-e> (Since I accept Fractran to be a programming language, actually.)
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19:16:55 <int-e> rumors of this channel's untimely demise have been greatly exaggerated
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19:17:26 <fizzie> Channel's significantly less dead than it was in, say, 2005-2007. Not to mention the 2003-2004 era, which doesn't even register.
19:19:33 <shachaf> Look, people don't have to be talking all the time.
19:19:51 <shachaf> Especially if, when they do talk, it's just high noise and no signal.
19:20:09 <Taneb> Like, someone saying "avocadus d'aglio" adds no value to the channel
19:20:24 <shachaf> I was thinking of "channel's dead"
19:20:52 <Taneb> I was taking the opportunity to poke fun of myself at providing more noise than signal
19:21:06 <shachaf> I don't think "d'aglio" was so bad.
19:21:13 <shachaf> But look at me, with my aioli.
19:21:13 <int-e> Taneb: I think you're providing more noise than signal.
19:21:32 <int-e> Taneb: (Well that sounded funnier in my head than it probably is.)
19:21:44 <Taneb> shachaf, I'm mixing Latin and Italian quite horribly
19:21:52 <shachaf> Those are pretty much the same language.
19:22:21 <Taneb> What should I call my D&D character
19:22:22 <shachaf> Is "aioli" etymologically related to "aglio"?
19:22:40 <shachaf> "French, from Provençal ai ‘garlic’ + oli ‘oil.’"
19:22:44 <shachaf> I guess the answer is maybe.
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19:35:29 <FireFly> quintopia: depending on who you ask, maybe Perl?
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19:45:08 <\oren\> well, why don't we program a bot to say something random every half hour to make the channel seem more alive?
19:47:11 <\oren\> fungot, does that sound good to you?
19:47:13 <int-e> \oren\: because it's the wrong kind of life.
19:48:33 <int-e> (I don't know about you but my client has a visual indicator for channel activity and it would be sad if that indicator became (more) meaningless)
19:48:44 <\oren\> I have been attempting to modify tcc to allow unicode in identifiers
19:49:48 <\oren\> I plan a buch of modifications that will make a version of C that is more modern
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19:52:43 <\oren\> well, hppavilion[2^H1], i plan to: allow %, <<, and >> to be used on floats
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19:54:11 <fungot> int-e: use microsoft hotmail doe that disables middle-click?
19:54:21 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:54:35 <izalove> is there a prng that can fast forward n states in less than O(log n) time?
19:54:37 <int-e> fungot: isn't hotmail dead though?
19:54:37 <fungot> int-e: could i also have a few choice bits on dabbrev-expand.
19:54:52 <int-e> fungot: sure, 1010001110101111
19:54:52 <fungot> int-e: and it sort-of faded into the background to deal with that in mind.
19:55:18 <hppavilion[1]> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhungotn
19:55:40 <\oren\> add the use of unless, until, and forever blocks
19:55:54 <int-e> izalove: what's your complexity model?
19:56:05 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: despite the font the recipes seem rather good. i don't think
19:56:14 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
19:56:18 <\oren\> and add ^^, logical XOR
19:56:21 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:56:29 <izalove> int-e: didn't expect that question, why is it relevant?
19:56:32 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: np. you could write your own cons. what chandler just said. but minion would put an s there? you're still agreeing about facts. :p
19:56:43 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
19:56:44 <int-e> izalove: I mean, typically I'd say that one needs O(log n) space to encode n, and hence O(log n) operations to even look at n.
19:56:54 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: with other chiefs a little apart from the growing throng. once i thought even the pounding sea seemed afraid of something, and when toward the small object on the opposite wall.
19:57:19 <izalove> int-e: i just need to advance the internal state of a prng
19:57:22 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
19:57:26 <hppavilion[1]> The second sentence is either an exact quote or a REALLY good coincidence
19:57:32 <fungot> moonythedwarf: the jug glugged, but with the air of one who has to wave the bag of nappies, and the chuck keys for electric drills.)
19:58:23 <izalove> and obviously there are some prngs that can compute it in less than O(log n)
19:58:44 <\oren\> I really need to write down my ideas for extended C somewhere
19:58:47 <izalove> int rand () { static int i = 1234; return i++; }
19:59:06 <int-e> So O(1) then. Anyway, no, I don't know anything better. I imagine that those that can do it on O(log n) are based on some clever linear transformations and square and multiply.
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20:04:00 <\oren\> how about an operator like a<-b that just means *a=b
20:04:26 <\oren\> nah, that would cause lexer conflicts
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20:07:42 <ais523> \oren\: that operator's normally called :=
20:07:54 <ais523> which I think lexes unambiguously
20:08:42 <shachaf> := normally means dereferencing assignment?
20:09:00 <ais523> well, it means "assign the value on the right to the name on the left"
20:09:09 <ais523> and in C, a pointer is the closest thing you have to a name
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20:09:30 <int-e> C goes to great length to define "lvalues" in its standard
20:09:45 <ais523> C++ has references which are even closer, though
20:09:54 <shachaf> C++ goes to much greater length to define all sorts of values.
20:10:02 <ais523> (in other news, "name" being a technical term is very confusing)
20:10:06 <\oren\> references are just an annoying version of pointers
20:10:12 <int-e> so C's a = b is :=, to my mind.
20:10:23 <shachaf> lvalues, rvalues, glvalues, xvalues, prvalues
20:10:35 <int-e> *a = b would be something different, as shachaf suggested
20:11:25 <ais523> well C uses a rather dubious naming convention
20:11:56 <\oren\> I still think the lack of ^^ is totally embarrasing
20:11:56 <ais523> you can tell something's wrong because unary & exists and doesn't stack
20:12:53 <ais523> in mathematical languages which have C-like assignment, the typical syntax (using C-like syntax) for C's "a = b" would be "a := *b", and "a := b" would translate to C as "a = &b"
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20:13:58 <otherbot> [SyntaxError: Unexpected token =]
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20:14:20 <otherbot> [ReferenceError: j is not defined]
20:14:29 <otherbot> [SyntaxError: Unexpected token ?]
20:14:34 <\oren\> well yeah because a lot of languages have this stupid thing where you can't actually modify values, you instead change what references refer to, and it's optimized into actual calculations afterward
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20:16:15 <otherbot> [TypeError: Cannot read property 'split' of undefined]
20:16:32 <moonythedwarf> -js var x = new Buffer("\\oren\\"); x.alloc(-1); x
20:16:33 <otherbot> [TypeError: Cannot read property 'split' of undefined]
20:16:35 <otherbot> [TypeError: Cannot read property 'split' of undefined]
20:16:37 <moonythedwarf> -js var x = new Buffer("\\oren\\"); x.alloc(-1); 1
20:16:37 <otherbot> [TypeError: Cannot read property 'split' of undefined]
20:16:49 <otherbot> [TypeError: Cannot read property 'split' of undefined]
20:16:54 <moonythedwarf> -js var x = new Buffer("\\oren\\"); x.alloc(-1,"hi"); 1
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20:16:57 <moonythedwarf> -js var x = new Buffer("\\oren\\"); x.alloc(-1,"hi")
20:16:58 <otherbot> { obuf: '', | console: { log: [Function] }, | Buffer: [Function], | EventEmitter: [Function], | AssertionError: [Function], | assert: { [Function] equal: [Function] }, | util: {}, | global: '[Circular]', | process: { exit: [Function] }, | x: | { data: [ '5c', '6f', '72', '65', '6e', '5c' ], | toString: [Function], | alloc: [Function] } }
20:17:02 <moonythedwarf> -js var x = new Buffer("\\oren\\"); x.alloc(-19,"hi")
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20:17:11 <int-e> otherbot, moonythedwarf: get a room!
20:17:31 <\oren\> try using /msg otherbot
20:18:27 <hppavilion[1]> OK, the insult is hupadgh'fhalmanyth nilgh'ri'bthnk
20:18:41 * moonythedwarf pokes hppavilion[1] for telling me to spam elsewhere when i already am
20:19:21 <hppavilion[1]> (lit: born of mother servant of everthing body; intended meaning: your mother is a whore)
20:19:40 <hppavilion[1]> moonythedwarf: Google Translate doesn't know R'lyehian
20:20:18 <\oren\> does google translate have elvish yet even?
20:21:16 <\oren\> it ghas esperanto, which is almost as fictional
20:21:43 <HackEgo> flex xan auseudo jeffolucie modim weldeos reústrar ferestruile himko fuérativa
20:22:18 <shachaf> what a surprise, a big screenful of bot spam
20:22:40 <HackEgo> הפםיק הלוגים ולפרה במעקרי ייענו וסו כשמתיר ויזיוו יספרו האגיעות
20:22:59 <fizzie> `` words --list # please check the list instead
20:23:01 <HackEgo> медхедететя перевне продскатеы нигоршяхъ сопаевкамъ фиклообр проненасе негланные велите геразду
20:23:04 <HackEgo> valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
20:23:22 <\oren\> `words --canadian-english-insane 10
20:23:26 <HackEgo> lazedearlyleterm neuropical unprovidular robracter ponsligh bunoplanapproom microco aralina azalistop outseleotion
20:23:33 <int-e> I don't believe in "-теы"
20:23:51 <int-e> or "хъ" for that matter.
20:25:36 <iovoid> moonythedwarf: do you to take the ridiculous job of porting NodeJS non-SO-binding-dependant core modules to otherbot's sandbox? Its just some thousand lines and an event loop
20:30:29 <\oren\> ויזיוו <- "uiziuu"? doesn't sound very triliteral
20:31:59 <\oren\> iirc ו can be used as "u" or "v"
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20:34:30 <HackEgo> הזמ כשנשק והחלט ומיות החסש ובהשקה מאמת מעמ המצו מוב
20:35:23 <HackEgo> wywanaragen nie odwiskowalistów słuczem nieanty tłoczeszno smakrępowyko znego błyszartecha piernitówkowadzani
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21:17:37 <wob_jonas> Apparently "sick" is another of those words that have different meanings on the two sides of the ocean: in American it primarily means ill (in the sense of having an acute health problem), but in British it means nauseous
21:17:58 <shachaf> In American slang it also means good, I think.
21:18:10 <wob_jonas> This explains a lot. I know it had two different meanings that seem contradictory, but I didn't realize it was a continent thing like "pants".
21:18:10 <ais523> wob_jonas: it can mean either nauseous or vomiting, in the UK
21:18:17 <ais523> and as a noun, it's a synonym for "vomit"
21:18:32 <ais523> "feeling sick" means nauseous, though (because vomiting is an action rather than a feeling)
21:19:01 <wob_jonas> Can I just use "ill" and hope Americans understand it too?
21:19:23 <wob_jonas> I don't want to bother with words that require a dialect decision if I don't have to
21:20:07 <shachaf> Or do you mean that "corn" also doesn't want to bother with words that require a dialect decision?
21:20:29 <wob_jonas> shachaf: "corn" means any sort of edible grain on one shore of the ocean, which is called "cereal" on the other; but means maize (the sweet yellow grain) on the other side
21:21:01 <wob_jonas> but with words like this, I never know which side of the ocean is which, and even if I could remember, I wouldn't want to bother figuring it out what it means here
21:21:23 <wob_jonas> so I should avoid "corn" and just say "maize" for one sense, and "grain" or "cereal" for the other sense
21:21:53 <shachaf> But many people in the US won't understand what you mean if you say "maize".
21:22:02 <wob_jonas> the second sense is the more important one, because I also won't try to remember the specific names for all the types of grains in English.
21:22:23 <wob_jonas> shachaf: ok, let's ignore the maize, I just want something that means any sort of grains
21:23:08 <wob_jonas> I know what "wheat" is, but I've no idea how the names of all the other types of grain in English correspond to the grains
21:23:20 <wob_jonas> so I probably just want to mention grains in general
21:23:32 <wob_jonas> as in, edible grains you can make bread from
21:23:50 <wob_jonas> or let's say edible grains you make flour from
21:24:29 <wob_jonas> (yes, I also know which one is "rice".)
21:30:32 <hppavilion[1]> It's cute when people use a Cross of Saint Peter (inverted cross; essentially, where † (dagger) is a Christian cross, an inverted dagger (which apparently doesn't exist in Unicode) is this) as a satanic symbol
21:30:37 <ais523> wob_jonas: "cereal" is the general word I think
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21:35:09 <hppavilion[1]> The Cross of Saint Peter has its origins in the legend (that isn't in the bible AFAICT, so I'm not sure whether it's considered officially true by the various churches) that St. Peter requested that he be crucified upside down because he felt he was unworthy of dying the same way as Jesus
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21:37:07 <hppavilion[1]> I'm actually really a fan of the Gospel of Judas, which tells a different story of Jesus's crucifixion, saying that Judas didn't betray Jesus- Jesus told him to tell the romans where he was because it was necessary and stuff.
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21:38:41 <fungot> wob_jonas: simon licked his dry lips. he motioned carrot towards one gate and dragged nobby and colon to the other fellows.'
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21:40:40 <fungot> Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
21:40:50 <fungot> quintopia: skeleton: a sub-species of the valkyries were the voices of men whose very souls were under siege; men to whom he was dressed in a small time they will wait for the lion; he scares up game, which one's real? xander: let go of the slain, the xorn has the power of wading through the air.
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21:52:34 <Taneb> Somewhere in the south pacific
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21:53:31 <hppavilion[1]> wob_jonas: No, Rome is the midpoint of Italy and whatever the opposite
21:53:47 <hppavilion[1]> Basically, I need to know what to call reverse italics
21:55:30 <quintopia> Taneb: yes. somwhere east of new zealand
21:55:50 <hppavilion[1]> (Though strictly, what I'm calling 'italic' is actually 'oblique'; 'italic' is a combination of oblique form and script style)
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21:58:32 <hppavilion[1]> Call what I was calling 'italic' 'oblique' (as it should be) and the reverse 'coblique'
21:59:48 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: I also want double-italics, which occasionally serve useful purposes. If I have double-oblique, I also have to have double-coblique; but would oblique-coblique and coblique-oblique be distinct from plain roman?
22:00:50 <hppavilion[1]> (I am of the opinion that Blackboard Bold should be considered a proper font, and all fonts should support it together with italic and bold (and italic-bold))
22:02:54 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Oh, backwards italics can be called "Iranic"
22:03:07 <hppavilion[1]> (Because it's basically how you'd italicize Arabic)
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22:15:08 <\oren\> why is budapest pronounced pudapesht
22:16:56 <ais523> \oren\: part of it's just spelling; the sound spelled "sh" in English is spelled "s" in Hungarian, and the sound spelled "s" in English is spelled "sz" in Hungarian
22:17:18 <Taneb> Because place names are often borrowed before linguistic evolution and/or spelling reform
22:17:22 <\oren\> oh, so they just took the hungarian spelling.
22:19:45 <\oren\> and the pronounciation, without regard to confusion
22:21:48 <Taneb> \oren\, I've only heard it pronounced the way that would be natural in English
22:21:58 <shachaf> why is gaszpaczo pronounced the way it is
22:21:59 <Taneb> Then again, the closest I've been to Hungary is South Tyrol
22:22:19 <Taneb> shachaf, it's sparkling paczo
22:22:27 <shachaf> I guess I got the spelling wrong.
22:22:47 <HackEgo> wisdom/ha \ wisdom/gazspaczo \ wisdom/b_jonas \ wisdom/disflagrate \ wisdom/hungarian \ wisdom/ent \ wisdom/szoup \ wisdom/gaszpacho \ wisdom/middle worse
22:23:02 <HackEgo> gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz
22:23:07 <HackEgo> gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days
22:23:12 <HackEgo> A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
22:23:22 <HackEgo> Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him.
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22:27:19 <\oren\> hmm, maybe I just know a lot of people who are pretentious and pronounce foreign words the foreign way
22:27:38 <\oren\> like "frankfurt" -> "fronkfrt"
22:28:28 <Taneb> \oren\, how about Ljubljana?
22:29:18 <shachaf> Taneb: Have you considered moving to Ljubljana and doing things with Andrej Bauer?
22:29:35 <Taneb> shachaf, not the second half. Who is Andrej Bauer?
22:30:14 <shachaf> Taneb: andrej bauer is the best hth
22:30:18 <\oren\> oh and of course "paris" "paree"
22:30:34 <shachaf> Taneb: http://andrej.com/fan.html
22:31:06 <shachaf> I think he was looking for PhD students.
22:31:22 <Taneb> \oren\, I am not, however, happy about the American pronunciation of Bologna
22:34:05 <\oren\> muricans say "balonee"
22:36:50 <Taneb> I think I will go to bed now
22:40:49 <hppavilion[1]> In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA#Brackets, where it talks about the third kind (pipes or double slashes, indicating an underlying construct that sounds different), it says that |s| might be used to claim that phonemic /tɔːks/ and /lʌlz/ are essentially |tɔːks| and |lʌls| underneath.
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22:53:45 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: not lulz
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23:15:33 <hppavilion[1]> I'm defining a new set of math symbols that have a few nicer properties
23:17:28 <hppavilion[1]> - is being changed to something like a NOT sign (¬) flipped over the midline
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23:20:14 <hppavilion[1]> With the justification that this way, commutative operations are represented by signs with vertical symmetry and non-commutative operations aren't
23:21:06 <shachaf> oerjan: oh, man, remember https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858 ?
23:22:57 * oerjan recognized the number, even
23:24:40 <shachaf> remember https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/10000 ?
23:25:11 <oerjan> no, i've completely forgotten it, probably wasn't important hth
23:25:12 <shachaf> still a little annoyed that #10000 is considered a duplicate, when the content of it was much more troubling than the thing it was a duplicate of
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23:26:46 <HackEgo> costume//Costumes are used for cosplay. Taneb sometimes invents them.
23:26:47 <lambdabot> hppavilion[1] said 3h 31m 5s ago: pice = pi times
23:26:59 <boily> hppavellon[1]. tdh.
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23:29:40 <hppavilion[1]> But I'm defining their appearance with 2 points A & C, 5 operations / (midpoint), - (line), @ (circle), ^ (join), , (swap), two stack operations : (dup) and $ (drop), * for drawing, and some pure sugar
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23:34:47 <lambdabot> *** "splay" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
23:34:47 <lambdabot> adj 1: turned outward in an ungainly manner; "splay knees"
23:34:47 <lambdabot> n 1: an outward bevel around a door or window that makes it seem
23:35:55 <lambdabot> v 1: spread open or apart; "He splayed his huge hands over the
23:35:55 <lambdabot> 2: turn outward; "These birds can splay out their toes"; "ballet
23:35:55 <lambdabot> dancers can rotate their legs out by 90 degrees" [syn: {turn
23:35:55 <lambdabot> out}, {splay}, {spread out}, {rotate}]
23:36:27 <lambdabot> 3: move out of position; "dislocate joints"; "the artificial hip
23:36:27 <lambdabot> joint luxated and had to be put back surgically" [syn:
23:36:27 <lambdabot> {dislocate}, {luxate}, {splay}, {slip}]
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23:37:50 <oerjan> i hope i shall never need a stume, i think.
23:38:37 <boily> fungot: fungellot. what's a stume?
23:38:37 <fungot> boily: touch*stone: " by crom, there will be tempted to hit, use a unicorn happy is to give it to paralyse creatures up to the protozoa. slime molds have complex life cycles with an enchanted tooth?
23:38:56 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
23:39:12 <boily> fungot: something that paralyzes you up to the protozoa? uuuuuurgh!
23:39:12 <fungot> boily: stair*: up he went for the head were riveted to this question! how much wood could a woodchuck could chuck wood? " oh, heck! i'll handle *this* one!
23:39:28 <oerjan> i didn't know slime molds had teeth, but that's nethack for you, i guess.
23:40:27 <HackEgo> Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people.
23:40:37 <shachaf> oerjan: Well, they don't usually. That's why it's an enchanted tooth.
23:41:35 <boily> fungot: do you have teeth?
23:41:35 <fungot> boily: extra staircases lead to extra levels. perhaps our appearance produces a similar feeling in the hand that held axes and short swords; and they were wolves, but, whoever he was working at the man in the midst of the nethack project, and which is tipped with hardened steel.
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23:43:23 <oerjan> `learn Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume.
23:43:30 <HackEgo> Learned 'splay': Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume.
23:43:38 <shachaf> oerjan: But what's a splay tree?
23:44:19 <shachaf> Doesn't the stume cowear you? Or perhaps goatear?
23:44:23 <Zarutian> oerjan: that is the main reason why the often look so ackward?
23:45:49 <oerjan> Zarutian: i am not sure whether you are making a grammatical error, or aiming for a truly horrible pun i've missed
23:47:25 <Zarutian> oerjan: keyboard crud is the reason for that one. Dont ask why that key though.
23:48:36 <oerjan> also, i'm probably not getting whichever reference you were actually aiming for.
23:49:36 <boily> `le/rn stume/A stume cowears and goatears you. That is the main reason why the often look so ackward.
23:50:20 <oerjan> i believe `learn would have worked there. but now all is clear, thank you.
23:50:47 <Zarutian> oerjan: 'y' that key, geddit? ;-Þ
23:51:25 <boily> Zarutian: are you from Iceland, eh?
23:51:27 <oerjan> Zarutian: that's only one of the errors hth
23:52:00 <oerjan> and i'm still not sure what "they" refers to.
23:52:18 <Zarutian> boily: possibly. If you are going to ask for a polarbear pelt signed by Björk then I cannot help you.
23:53:00 <oerjan> i think the splaying itself does that, Zarutian
23:53:03 <boily> oh, none of the sort, thanks.
23:53:03 <Zarutian> boily: both are rather þorny I fear
23:53:22 * boily þwacks Zarutian. 0.76 shachafs.
23:53:46 <oerjan> Zarutian: what about if he asks for a hákarl sample? he'd be the most likely person in the channel to do such a thing...
23:53:59 * Zarutian wiðdraws into his aramoured keyshell.
23:54:57 <boily> I wonder if it can be shipped here... I know for a fact that surströmming is banned, but maybe shark is OK...
23:55:00 <Zarutian> eh, ya really want to try hákarl?
23:56:59 <Zarutian> here is a substitute you could try at home: take a few newspapers, the yellow the better. Put them in a blender a few pages at a time with generous helpings of cat piss. Turn on the blender, then put the mass into an compression strainer and let it dry out over a week.
23:57:22 <Zarutian> then you get what I tasted and sensed when I tried hákarl.
23:57:52 <Zarutian> I am sure the urea in it had not been gone properly though
23:59:05 <boily> can I use marine biology magazines? regular newspapers lack sharkiness...