< 1475280028 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 'like' would be a better translation I think, but sure < 1475280034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the minimum number of symbols (with minimalist rules) required to- in an unambiguous way- express all of traditional algebra? < 1475280054 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the go-to word for that, yes < 1475280067 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also see that shachaf repeated himself, but with correct grammar this time. < 1475280071 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b can be expressed as a-(-b), but to reduce rules we can do a-(0-b) < 1475280082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Look. Last time I was unsure of myself. < 1475280093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I looked it up on the Internet and I found a version with incorrect grammar. < 1475280106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I recall, vaguely. < 1475280148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In APL, ?B is roll B (choose an integer at random from the first B integers (nevermind that "first k integers" makes no sense) < 1475280164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: good. the wiktionary example seemed rather archaic ("Av konungen gillad och stadfäst.") < 1475280174 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1475280176 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: of course it makes sense. they are the first k integers. < 1475280186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an out of context quote. < 1475280187 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the first integer? < 1475280188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://microapl.com/apl_help/ch_020_020_170.htm < 1475280198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Generates numbers chosen at random from the series of the first N integers which start at the index origin (⎕IO)" < 1475280212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has an index origin. OK. < 1475280220 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1475280226 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of APL's ugly quirks < 1475280228 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected A?B to be choosing the first B integers, minus the first A < 1475280251 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except A?B is basically just an array of ?B run A times < 1475280268 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: -9223372036854775808 hth < 1475280283 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes...that is a lot more useful in an APL context than what you suggested < 1475280288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fair enough, can't think of any smaller integers < 1475280288 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1475280289 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1475280317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured it COULD be ordering it as [0, 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, -3, ...], but I doubted it) < 1475280379 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it appears that shachaf's client put a color reset code before that `learn earlier < 1475280391 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, ⌈B is the smallest integer ≥ B, ⌊B is the greatest integer ≤ B < 1475280392 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "the first B integers, minus the first A" you'd probably do A+?B-A < 1475280404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes. It wasn't a serious `learn. < 1475280411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, I figured < 1475280440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A⌈B is the greater, A⌊B is the lesser < 1475280445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: SPOILER < 1475280447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the function for round? < 1475280450 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notation ⌈x⌉/⌊x⌋ for ceiling/floor originated in A Programming Language < 1475280472 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was puzzled! < 1475280478 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the book, not the later programming language that followed from the notation < 1475280479 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry...) < 1475280537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :4... < 1475280555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's particularly insidious because it's one of the characters that doesn't get copied in irssi... < 1475280582 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? < 1475280584 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm more familiar with J than APL, but AFAIK it doesn't have a 'round' primitive; you'd have to implement it in terms of ceil/floor < 1475280605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL would've been more interesting with 3 functions for every operator *; A*, *B, and A*B < 1475280615 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this one. < 1475280621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e> this one? < 1475280644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i got a newline on the end < 1475280655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but... how? How do you get the fractional- wait, floor(x) if abs(x)-floor(abs(x)) < 0.5 else ceil(x). Easy. < 1475280666 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting to 15 is hard. < 1475280676 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`confuse oerjan < 1475280699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser doesn't show it in the logs either, so i have to paste it into irssi, and _then_ i can see on my own editing line < 1475280713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it on < 1475280714 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475280717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ceil(-0.5) = 0, right? I assume so, but I can see it being defined as -1 just as easily, and really being better that way) < 1475280728 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser shows a box with 000F in it there, hmm. < 1475280738 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I lack the right fonts to make it invisible. < 1475280739 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If we define ceil(-0.5) = -1, then ceil(x) = -ceil(-x) < 1475280741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1475280748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can probably see it in vim too < 1475280779 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, windows, which browser? < 1475280799 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍋B is a nice function though... < 1475280805 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using firefox under linux, that may make a difference < 1475280820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: IE hth < 1475280845 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop exploding the internet < 1475280885 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh that's almost a plausible typo in qwerty) < 1475280887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his triceratops bone cane at int-e  < 1475280915 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I knew you were living in the stone age :P < 1475280934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind taxes, but I don't like the idea of paying taxes that I'm not required to pay. < 1475280939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wrong channel. < 1475280986 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I have no clue by how many million years that is off; I blame the Feuerstein family) < 1475281003 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym the Pierrafeu. < 1475281007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm pretty sure IE _used_ to show those chars, but it changed at some point. < 1475281030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: approx. 65 million years hth < 1475281043 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the Flintstones. < 1475281049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think triceratops was there until the end < 1475281049 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1475281088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they're just "Flint" in norwegian. or at least used to be. < 1475281092 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475281098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no:flint = en:flintstone) < 1475281104 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's all french to me < 1475281154 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(google helped) < 1475281212 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: uhm, you might want to learn APL a bit before having opinions on its parsing rules :P it really wouldn't work well to have both prefix, postfix and infix < 1475281223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes xD < 1475281227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently flint means the same thing in english. material vs. piece of it? < 1475281235 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: And circumfix and postcircumfix and... < 1475281239 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could come up with such a language probably, but it certainly wouldn't be APL < 1475281262 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the original APL notation had several circumfix operators (such as floor/ceil, as mentioned) < 1475281264 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about interfix? < 1475281274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL has a few unary operators that go one character inside their argument < 1475281278 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APL.htm < 1475281289 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, that is pretty bizarre < 1475281293 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining ceil(-0.5) as -1 is pretty stupid < 1475281293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What if your argument is one character? < 1475281303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a feeling the answer is "INTERCAL") < 1475281312 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, ceil(x) >= x (hence the name) < 1475281313 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that can't happen in INTERCAL < 1475281316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: But then -ceil(-x) is equal to ceil(x) < 1475281323 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all legal operands are at least two characters long < 1475281332 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's not ceil anymore < 1475281346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And this satisfies a property that abs(ceil(x)) > abs(x) < 1475281351 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "round away from zero" < 1475281358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceil rounds toward +infty < 1475281361 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Fair enough < 1475281374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be called "magnitude ceiling" or "absolute ceiling" < 1475281375 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's not what ceil says < 1475281379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well yeah < 1475281381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly < 1475281383 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ceiling is ebove you, isn't it < 1475281391 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK < 1475281414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, I wanted a name for this operation: < 1475281418 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp . abs . log < 1475281445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I have a bad habit of thinking of numbers as (sign, magnitude) rather than just value < 1475281447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: but if you stand on a mirror, you see the reflection of the ceiling below you < 1475281450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 is like a mirror < 1475281450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1475281468 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you don't? < 1475281470 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475281481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't? < 1475281486 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next we'll discuss how negative numbers are imaginary... < 1475281506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I made an operation called sign-preserving power (x^'y) that is equal to sgn(x)*abs(x)^y < 1475281508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If negative numbers are imaginary, what sorts of numbers are complex? < 1475281509 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never watched in a mirror and saw my foot pointing upwards < 1475281518 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: All of them hth < 1475281520 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, zon_ < 1475281532 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would ever step _on_ a mirror < 1475281540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1475281545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : a ceiling is ebove you, isn't it <-- technically, ceilings are in the opposite direction on the opposite side of the earth >:) < 1475281548 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1475281577 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, because downwards is not defined that way < 1475281647 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tinyurl.com/z52q2x6 is a bit creepy. < 1475281663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Downwards is defined in terms of "away from the center of the earth" < 1475281671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, posting tinyurl.com links in IRC? < 1475281677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/away from/towards/ < 1475281693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: and ceilings are generally upwards hth < 1475281701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes < 1475281723 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I usually use the plain link but in this case it was long and uninformative? < 1475281727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And if we treat the center of the earth as the origin, that means that someone on the opposite side of the earth is closer to you than their ceiling < 1475281746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked on it but that's only because I know you a bit, I guess. < 1475281747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: australians beg to differ < 1475281768 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archivelikeyou.com/files/fullimages/Jeppe_Hein_wallner_12.jpg looks like a mirror one can step on < 1475281799 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that if you look down into that mirror, you see the ceiling. < 1475281836 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes < 1475281836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the puzzle about why mirrors flip things left-to-right? < 1475281853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who would ever step _on_ a mirror <-- now i'm reminded of my visit to the CN tower in toronto... (if that had only been a mirror...) < 1475281881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, mceil(x) is sgn(x)*ceil(abs(x)), ceil(x) is the smallest integer ≥x. Floor is the same (with mfloor and floor) < 1475281897 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do. < 1475281913 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good puzzle. < 1475281921 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what is it good for? < 1475281936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Statistics, probably < 1475282387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA! I finally got my postcard, 28 days later... (well, 29 considering timezones) < 1475282387 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475282411 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1475282412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Sep 30 23:40:00 UTC 2016 < 1475282535 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiirland is so far away... < 1475282555 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is < 1475282842 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh maybe we should make a bin/learn command to make the illusion perfect. < 1475282951 0 :Menphis!~textual@213.250.174.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475283071 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you people can answer me avout a punishment device or construct of yore. What is it called that was put around the necks and hands of criminals but was not fixed in any place? Usually made out of sturdy wood. < 1475283100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What illusion? < 1475283105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1475283107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1475283114 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...cool < 1475283124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How can you tell whether d^2x = 0? <-- it occurs to me that d is in some sense an _arbitrary_ derivative. so to get d^2 x = 0 you have to select the right one. < 1475283133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which learn < 1475283135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn < 1475283142 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/learn < 1475283143 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\?[:;,.!?]\? .*//') \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$1" >"$(echo-p "wisdom/$topic")" \ echo "$verb '$topic': $1" < 1475283151 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/bin/learn < 1475283154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/learn < 1475283269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivation_(differential_algebra) < 1475283283 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patiently waits for an answer. < 1475283326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ...OK, I give up, hth did that work? < 1475283420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Maybe `learn should be able to detect a phrase between |vertical bars aka pipes| (after stripping /an?|the/) and use the entire phrase instead of just the first word) < 1475283455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: pillory < 1475283480 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. < 1475283504 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so "`learn |John Lenon| was a member of the Beatles." would put "John Lenon was a member of the Beatles." in ) < 1475283506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome < 1475283507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. < 1475283551 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: or hm, not sure about the "not fixed in any place" part. although there were many variants of these things... < 1475283564 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nice usage of the «œ». < 1475283566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append wisdome//Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". < 1475283571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'wisdome': The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. /Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". < 1475283576 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I never used œ... < 1475283591 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you didn't... < 1475283599 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was HackEgo < 1475283626 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it fits what I had read in an Alita Battle Angel manga. < 1475283629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: set the password of the month to , but when I asked it said it was au cœur de septembre < 1475283635 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks shiftily at HackEgo. «T'en sais trop sur les ligatures. C'est louche.» < 1475283639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose someone might have edited in PM, but... < 1475283644 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475283649 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: couldnt remember what it was called exactly until you said it. < 1475283651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/password < 1475283657 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie evilipse oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan gamemanj int-e oerjan int-e oerjan mroman oerjan oerjan oerjan mroman_ < 1475283667 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is 58.86.33.135? < 1475283674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password of the month < 1475283675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password of the month? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475283689 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475283695 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode password < 1475283697 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0070 LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D] < 1475283727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: there were some other links in that wp article. Cangue is a chinese variant so may fit for a manga... < 1475283755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which culprits < 1475283756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/culprits < 1475283762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/bin/culprits < 1475283764 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/culprits < 1475283771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "shrew's fiddle" was also portable. < 1475283786 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which hoag < 1475283787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/hoag < 1475283795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url hackenv/bin/hoag < 1475283796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/hackenv/bin/hoag < 1475283816 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/bin/hoag < 1475283818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/hoag < 1475283848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where learn < 1475283849 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found < 1475283860 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1475283882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode `learn < 1475283884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] < 1475283899 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I was thinking more of the thing that looks like the criminal has his/her hands and head through a table plus the document describing their crime. < 1475283928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode The < 1475283930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0054 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1475283984 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475283987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb//Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1475283990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do we have a reverse-culprits? < 1475283995 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: been toying with the idea of using an 'cyberized' version of cangue in an near future sci-fi story. < 1475284010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which echo-p < 1475284011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/echo-p < 1475284019 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/bin/echo-p < 1475284021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/echo-p < 1475284025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what is that wissphere for? < 1475284026 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uejmfwjqpbcqnyab QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475284045 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether i'm missing a reference, or you are < 1475284053 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: reverse-culprits? a list of people that make you write wisdom entries? < 1475284061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Wisdome goes underground as well, so it should be called 'wissphere' < 1475284098 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dpoiuwzuknpyzruu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475284103 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No, you enter a username and it returns a list of the last 10 or so files that they edited < 1475284122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So `reverse-culprits boily would tell me what you've done with HackEgo recently < 1475284173 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done much recently to HackEgo... < 1475284187 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh my god int-e's `learn was never processed by hackego... < 1475284192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god I'm an idiot... < 1475284227 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode 18<int-e18> `learn The password of the month is > shr/unidecoded < 1475284228 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1475284253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``unidecode "18<int-e18> `learn The password of the month is " > shr/decoded < 1475284254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `unidecode: not found < 1475284269 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god < 1475284272 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Do we have a reverse-culprits? <-- i don't think so. seems hard to do efficiently. < 1475284281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode "18<int-e18> `learn The password of the month is " > shr/decoded < 1475284283 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1475284295 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1475284305 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo < 1475284306 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: foo: command not found < 1475284312 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `unidecode `learn <-- hint, it's before the ` < 1475284329 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep, that's what I figured. < 1475284333 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was checking < 1475284362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It does seem unefficiable at first, but I figure there could be a way to make Mercurial do it inefficiently for us < 1475284379 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: http://www.pilloryhistory.com/other.html suggests "yoke" < 1475284402 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, searching for all things with a description starting with "<$1>" (Do I need to escape that?) < 1475284461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well yeah, as long as searching all log entries isn't too much. < 1475284472 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that's the problem. < 1475284484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: also, you don't want to use `` with unidecode < 1475284514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess searching in backwards order should work if they've actually edited some < 1475284523 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably only search the last ~500 (which is STILL slow, probably) and print the most recent 10 files < 1475284538 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, that's probably what you'd do < 1475284552 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd wisdome//s,/,, < 1475284560 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/wisdome//The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". < 1475284581 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1475284582 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Oct 1 00:16:10 UTC 2016 < 1475284588 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the idea is that the pillory|cangue|yoke is big enough for passerbys to see the reason why it is around that person neck plus have a loop of something like monofilament wire embedded inside that will behead the criminal if an serious attempt at removal without cryptographic authorization is performed. < 1475284612 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what did s,/,, do? < 1475284613 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: you're on your own there < 1475284627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are <10 files, just print all that you find < 1475284704 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, newline. Apparently. < 1475284718 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1475284721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: removed a / you'd accidentally left there < 1475284724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1475284767 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I thought le/rn required two slashes... < 1475284774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, le//rn does < 1475284776 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that's mkx < 1475284802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought le//rn needed you to sacrifice a he-goat to satan though? < 1475284813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1475284848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1475284866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you want us to sacrifice a he-goat to satan? < 1475284866 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they say that some guards' palms can be used to practise throwing stones at things, the big black cobra, and scholars, by edward bulwer-lytton) < 1475284874 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost the same, except le//rn requires two // but also allows you to give directories < 1475284887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-two < 1475284899 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiser words have never been spoken, fungot. < 1475284899 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they say that problem breathing is best known for two things. you'll probably find one on the red marble table in front of him. < 1475284920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: But what's the other thing? < 1475284921 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: lizard corpses aren't confusing. are you a gentleman? two levels ahead is a powerful artifact. anyone who carries it by half. it was locked. he could stand it no longer, until an unsuspecting creature passes by. it stands two to four feet, by snorri sturluson) < 1475284951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1475284953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1475284955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So problem breathing is best known for whatever's on the red marble table and for lizard corpses? < 1475284955 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: quetzalcoatl: one of the forest." the dear old man beamed upon her, with dried brown limbs like dead wood showing through moldering bandages. " how the wind, the wizard has hired some help. twenty other arms came rippling out. < 1475284980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1475284980 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1475284980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is Bierstubë. < 1475284984 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Bierstubë. < 1475285004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic < 1475285004 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual) < 1475285008 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1475285020 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you intracalate? < 1475285025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there INTRACAL?) < 1475285027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit... < 1475285050 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475285088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULFRACAL < 1475285101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Never heard 'ulfra'? < 1475285109 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(misp. 'ultra'?) < 1475285119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of derivatives of INTERCAL is rather ironic, given that it was designed to have no similarities... < 1475285140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a misspelling, but not of ultra. < 1475285156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFRA? < 1475285193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to do INTER:INTRA::INFRA:? but i think i failed < 1475285245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1475285273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, first of all, INTER:INTRA::?:INFRA < 1475285283 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, ?=ULTRA < 1475285284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1475285299 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(infrared/ultraviolet) < 1475285306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. inter isn't to intra what ultra is to infra. < 1475285315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, is it. < 1475285430 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTER:INTRA::INFER:INFRA ? < 1475285463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFERNAL ULTERIOR INTEGRAL < 1475285500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? intercal < 1475285502 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market. < 1475285543 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissonant < 1475285602 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future, we'll all be COBOL programmers. < 1475285675 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CABAL will see to it < 1475285714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infrarnal < 1475285724 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL, the language of my ancestors < 1475285771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think #esoteric should create a language JUST reasonable enough that employers will want to make people use it, but out-of-the-ordinary enough that using it is fun (and/or infuriating) for the programmers < 1475285791 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Java! < 1475285898 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Like anything BUT Java < 1475285921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is bland and generic, with a lot of unnecessary cruft and hyper-formulaic rules < 1475286027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it will draw on math and FP and LP, but remain imperative enough to be usable < 1475286042 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curried functions will be the only option, for example < 1475286118 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java isn't generic. it teases you with false promises, then stabs you in the back with a blunt object. < 1475286174 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to copy one very nice line I wrote just to terrorise a few coworkers next Monday. < 1475286187 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/copy/copy you/ < 1475286237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1475286252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell-delay < 1475286252 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1475286257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1475286258 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1475286258 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1475286261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1475286261 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search < 1475286261 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1475286275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@which tell < 1475286275 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1475286278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where tell < 1475286278 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : @help tell < 1475286282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell < 1475286282 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell . When shows activity, tell them . < 1475286286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1475286300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@module tell < 1475286300 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1475286455 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There wouldn't happen to be any n s.t. log_n(x) = x forall x, would there?) < 1475286655 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. < 1475286689 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: log? < 1475286693 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_1. < 1475286721 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^x = x? < 1475286788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_1(x) = x ∧ x=5 -> 1*1*1*1*1=5 < 1475286822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list tell < 1475286822 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell provides: tell ask messages messages-loud messages? clear-messages auto-reply auto-reply? clear-auto-reply < 1475286835 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1475286841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help auto-reply < 1475286841 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-reply. Lets lambda-bot auto-reply if someone sends you a message < 1475286854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't notice that before < 1475286856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@auto-reply < 1475286856 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No auto-reply message given. Did you mean @clear-auto-reply? < 1475286860 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help! messages? < 1475286860 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :messages?. Tells you whether you have any messages < 1475286918 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan You've already set auto-reply, haven't you? < 1475286918 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475286969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: x*y = log_n(x*y) = log_n x + log_n y = x+y for all x,y hth < 1475286988 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] nope < 1475286988 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] lets you know: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaands < 1475286988 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475286997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1475286998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Happa 5* 10New user account < 1475287145 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a new user! will it be a real person? < 1475287281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't seem to be trying to edit < 1475287312 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :real or otherwise < 1475287315 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Happa'... < 1475287317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suspicious < 1475287323 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lud < 1475287323 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5m 35s ago: nope < 1475287328 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan OK < 1475287328 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475287337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1475287337 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 8s ago: OK < 1475287338 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happavalion[1]? < 1475287345 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/1296/ < 1475287363 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Some people I've known IRL have pronounced hppavilion1 as 'hap pavilion one' < 1475287380 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, the 1 makes an [i] sound, first of all < 1475287462 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475287556 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, how is it even possible to go without the axiom of choice? < 1475287580 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[AC is] equivalent to the statement that the Cartesian product of a collection of non-empty sets is non-empty." < 1475287581 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475287659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, the cardinality of the union of a collection of nonempty sets is ≥ the cardinality of any of those sets. < 1475287682 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1475287698 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475287711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the Cartesian product of a collection of sets and empty the tuples into a set, I'm pretty sure you get their union < 1475287756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent to the axiom of choice hth < 1475287761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, {('a', 1), ('a', 2), ('a', 3), ('b', 1), ('b', 2), ('b', 3)} -> {'a', 1, 'b', 2, 3}) < 1475287780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but I don't see any way you can argue with it < 1475287802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you're assuming there are _any_ tuples in the product to start with. < 1475287883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it can be proved for a finite number of sets. < 1475287927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to contradict AoC, you need an infinite collection of sets such that you have _no_ way of uniformly selecting an element from one. < 1475287937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from each < 1475287943 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1475287968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1475287971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the individual sets don't have to be infinite, i think.) < 1475288057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the famous quip: you need the AoC to select one element from each of an infinite set of pairs of socks, but not from an infinite set of pairs of shoes. < 1475288634 0 :Menphis!~textual@213.250.174.215 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475288650 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PAIR CHICKEN < 1475289070 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86-Z-CbaHA again, and something is bugging me < 1475289089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real numbers in the interval <0 -> 1> are uncountable, correct? < 1475289324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I interpreted something e said wrong; I suppose that, perhaps, not all points on the circumference can be expressed as k radians for a finite nonnegative integer k) < 1475289472 0 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1475289472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1475289480 0 :zzo38_!?@? NICK :zzo38 < 1475289503 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dpoiuwzuknpyzruu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475289737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes < 1475289743 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1475289757 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Banack-Tarski is giving me a serious bad-math smell < 1475289771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a you-just-broke-the-rules smell < 1475290042 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qsojgzzjptkfaygm JOIN :#esoteric < 1475290107 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, is |ℝ × ℝ| = ℝ? Just checking < 1475290130 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1475290239 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think too much about banach tarski, they're just playing with sets where your idea of volume can't be applied < 1475290315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475291087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1475291093 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is Bierstubë. < 1475291099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I fell asleep for two hours and missed your inlaurdation < 1475291434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℝ × ℝ| = ℝ < 1475291437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+211D DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL R] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+00D7 MULTIPLICATION SIGN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+211D DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL R] [U+007C VERTICAL LINE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+003D EQUALS SIGN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+211D DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL R] < 1475291467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, but isn't the point of all this that it's arbitrary? < 1475291480 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not completely arbitrary, what derivatives am I allowed to use? < 1475291575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to pick a specific derivative. What constraints do I have? I guess I can say "d is a differentiating operator such that d^2x = 0" < 1475291606 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thtne what am I allowed to use it on? < 1475291707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1475291741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it on any function that's differentiable enough times in a neighborhood... < 1475292764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal: No more % (percent) (proportion multiplied by 100). Henceforth, all values are expressed in perunit (symbol like percent with short lines parallel to the main line instead of circles) (multiply by nothing because there's no actual reason to) < 1475292878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of %, use ℅ < 1475292960 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :take ℅ something < 1475293027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℅ < 1475293029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2105 CARE OF] < 1475293075 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, does the order of slices in a pie chart ever matter? Obviously if you make it like that, we all hate you, but does it matter? < 1475293145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in general, are pie chart slices supposed to scale by area or by curve subtended by angle?) < 1475293228 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have implemented is by angle. < 1475293406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Term proposal: Improper Sector < 1475293435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An improper sector is a sector where the ratio of the central angle to tau radians is greater than 1 < 1475293512 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, for example, a circle that kind of overshoots; so a sector with central angle of 3pi radians, or a sesquicircle; 1.5 circles) < 1475293543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: By angle is most natural, but by area is probably more easy-to-understand to the human eye < 1475293564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would recommend having both, with angle as the default but area being a permitted mode) < 1475293716 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might come out the same? < 1475293831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, the area of a circular sector with a radius r and angle theta is (theta*r^2)/2 < 1475293943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the area is proportional to the angle unless you vary the radius (in which case it's not an ordinary pie chart) < 1475293954 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1475293955 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The radius is the same for each slice though < 1475293967 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, it does come out the same. < 1475293982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's either a pielar angle chart or a stupid needlessly stylized pie chart < 1475294006 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm now wondering about elliptical sectors...) < 1475294094 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliptical is tricky, afaiu the correspondence between angle and area isn't even an elementary function... < 1475294124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or < 1475294125 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They are a thing, it looks like; a sector is (theta : angle, radius : distance) < 1475294136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem unlikely, actually. < 1475294155 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An elliptical sector is ((theta1 : angle, theta2 : angle), (r1 : distance, r2 : distance)) < 1475294191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the arc length that's nonelementary, perhaps. < 1475294223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, yes, I don't think there's a good way to calculate the circumference of an ellipse other than infinite series < 1475294229 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to find it < 1475294308 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically that would be the case for a circle too, if someone hadn't declared pi, sin and cos etc. to be "easy" < 1475294339 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, pi is at least constant < 1475294367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you just try to calculate it without using a series somewhere :P < 1475294425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's probably a generalized minor pi-yielding function (not a minor function that yields pi; a function that yields a minor pi) (not to be confused with the Pi Function that's just gamma(x+1)) that calculates the local value of pi for a proportion of the radii < 1475294432 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't even know if we know what it is < 1475294474 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1475294534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a unit elliptical (a unit ellipse is has its x-radius equal to 1 and its y-radius equal to some proportion of its x-radius (which clever people might notice is literally just any real number) sector given by theta1 and theta2 is, basically, the area bounded by a line segment from the origin to the circumference of the ellipse at angle theta1, the same to angle theta2, and the part of the ellipse's circumference between the endpoints < 1475294550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\)/))/ < 1475294584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glazes over < 1475294727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, so an ellipse is a shape given by point (a, b), point (c, d), and distance k that includes all points (x, y) where sqrt((x-a)^2+(y-b)^2) + sqrt((x-c)^2+(y-d)^2) = k < 1475294729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1475294732 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, no you don't < 1475294750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily Do you keep a backup mapole in the channel when you aren't here? < 1475294750 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475294828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks icing off his fingers < 1475294862 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you have a hyperellipse (ntbcw a superellipse) where there are more than 2 focal points? < 1475294876 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stahp < 1475294990 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475294990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the sum of the distances to the focal point is 2*R (R being max(r1, r2)) < 1475295001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: I'm sorry : < 1475295002 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1475295018 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This would be easier if we could use pretty math) < 1475295073 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: For any shape there's often multiple useful ways to specify it < 1475295086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well yes < 1475295094 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: This was the way relevant to what I was saying < 1475295153 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the "Take two points, an ellipse is the locus you get when the sum of distances to the points is equal to a constant" definition is one of the most common < 1475295163 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also define an ellipse as a stretched circle < 1475295185 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you have a centre point, a minor radius, and a major radius < 1475295193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1475295286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! I created a symbol for derivatives that made me happy today. You write a special derivative symbol, a number n below it (nth derivative; if you want the 1st derivative then n can be dropped), the variables it's with respect to separated by commas terminated with a colon (if it's just 'all the variables', you can drop this part), then the thing you're derivativing. It took me several hours to realize the special derivative symbol I < 1475295287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used was basically just the euro sign xD < 1475295373 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it only had one horizontal stroke though. It might have been something else, really, but I don't remember any other similar-looking symbols. It was intended to look like a capital ε- basically a larger ϵ, I suppose- but not just an E) < 1475295384 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x^2 f€_1(x) = 2x ?? < 1475295390 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yep, centrepoint is what I use for fonts < 1475295433 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: More like €_1 f(x), but the _1 could be dropped too because it's the default < 1475295443 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the colon part is for incomplete derivatives) < 1475295450 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if four points on the circumference are enough to uniquely specify any ellipse < 1475295469 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three definitely aren't enough < 1475295480 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 are < 1475295481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It depends on whether any happen to be the same < 1475295489 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: 5 are enough for ANY conic section < 1475295493 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1475295499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is exactly what you meant... < 1475295504 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't go below that < 1475295505 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 5 I can think of arrangements that don't give a valid ellipse < 1475295517 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: No, you can uniquely specify any circle with 2 points < 1475295532 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if the points lie on the circumference < 1475295536 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right, but you cannot expect less than 5, still < 1475295546 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Ah, yes, forgot about that < 1475295551 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can uniquely determine a circle with 3 points on the circumference < 1475295557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 3 on the circumference, probably < 1475295558 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ellipses are like an open subset of all conics < 1475295560 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: by the same reasoning you can specify any ellipse with 3 points < 1475295568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can uniquely specify any conic section with at MOST 5 points, and that's where it might not be an ellipse < 1475295571 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: How so? < 1475295583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many points do you need to specify an eclipse? < 1475295586 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :foci + distance < 1475295610 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Earth, moon, sun, several vectors of speed, probably some mass. < 1475295625 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I specifically was thinking of points on the circumference < 1475295637 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, let's consider the vertices of a square < 1475295643 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we fit more than one ellipse to those? < 1475295650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my head the 3 points on the circumference of a circle are arranged in an equilateral triangle; is this enough? < 1475295659 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think four points aren't enough < 1475295668 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, one is the other rotated 90 degrees < 1475295689 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 3 points are enough for a circumference < 1475295689 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is equivalent to swapping major and minor ~arcana~ radii) < 1475295694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Yes < 1475295704 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I said, I thought < 1475295712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second time < 1475295714 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to be an equilateral triangle < 1475295723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Well yes, but they happened to be internally < 1475295732 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if you allow choosing _special_ points on the circle, then obviously 2 are enough. < 1475295734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could obviously move htem < 1475295740 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, of course < 1475295774 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow the point to be anywhere, you can probably do it with 1 < 1475295775 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow < 1475295792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as |R^3? < 1475295795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x, y, r) < 1475295833 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the symbol looks more like Є < 1475295910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1475296001 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475296014 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a circle you just need the diameter < 1475296025 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an ellipse a diameter and a radius < 1475296075 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1475296108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: But if you can use arbitrary points that may not even have significance to it, you can do it with a single point in 1D < 1475296144 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on if you're allowed to depend on the point's coordinates < 1475296150 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might not be given coordinates at all < 1475296151 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Ah, yes < 1475296164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ellipse centred at (x, y) with radius r (all are real numbers) can be represented by literally just lacing the bits if you have to < 1475296165 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started a new game as france. I created my own alliance with the czechoslovakia, yugoslavia, and romania. < 1475296190 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But not with Poland? < 1475296202 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Germany demanded the sudetenland, I responded by invading the rhineland < 1475296247 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time hitler had decided to go around the maginot line through belgium I already took franfurt, koln and essen < 1475296288 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can probably win world war two by 1940 < 1475296346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Why don't you just start the game half a century earlier and kill baby Hitler? < 1475296348 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved < 1475296361 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the czechs just took vienna. get rekt hitler < 1475296370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sure, you still have to deal with WWI...) < 1475296447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and they took breslau in the north < 1475296470 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1938 only. germany hasn't done anything with poland yet < 1475296484 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so poland won't join my faction < 1475296679 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Napoleon briefly recreated Poland as its own state back when Poland was partitioned between other countries < 1475296706 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when the napoleonic wars failed, Poland ended up getting partitioned again < 1475296774 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/GetRektHitler.PNG < 1475296848 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, historically real Poland has had good ties with France < 1475296849 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that for chease eating surrender monekys!?! < 1475296857 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And horrible luck with Germany and Russia < 1475296899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poland isn't even in the war though. hitler hasn't had enough time because I invaded him instead of gving him the sudetenland < 1475296936 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so poland is just chilling, and for some reason he invaded the baltics and annexed them < 1475296983 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on the side, poland curbstomped latvia and lithuania while I was preparing to invade germnay < 1475297062 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1475297069 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will you do about Russia? < 1475297137 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. hopefully I can get turkey or poland in my faction so I can have a wider front than just romania < 1475297175 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just romania, russia might crush me with sheer numbers of infantry < 1475297332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a wide front, I can have my cavalry and jeeps run and surround enemy forces quicker than you can say une deux tres < 1475297370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Yep, 'murica is screwed < 1475297384 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma start a new political party, I guess. < 1475297452 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :czech forces are untering dresden < 1475297480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :french forces have reached the coast of the nroth sea < 1475297521 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PART #esoteric : < 1475297543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gary Johnson's position on climate change (I swear, this is 1.0 perunit real): The earth is getting warmer and it's man-made. But the sun will explode in several billion years and destroy the planet anyway, and what's the difference between ending all life on earth in ~200 years vs. several billion? Really? < 1475297796 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gary johnson also doesn't know where aleppo is, and can't name a foreign leader he likes < 1475297830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even trump can do both those things. admittedly he likes putin, but hey at least it's an answer < 1475297869 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yeah < 1475297893 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to say 'Putin' better than not knowing about Putin < 1475297916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AA < 1475297921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1475297955 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, hitler made the molotov ribbentop pact NOW?!?! with french tanks in nuremberg? < 1475297972 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if poland enters the war he's dead for sure < 1475297982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, only about 0.001 perunit of Americans knew about Aleppo until that happened, but OTOH, 0.001 perunit of americans are RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT < 1475297997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Has he started holocausting yet? < 1475298023 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure. < 1475298081 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't model that in the game so you don't feel as much an asshole if you play as hitler < 1475298110 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ...but that's probably the only reason I'd play as Hitler in the first place < 1475298119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, so I can choose who does and doesn't die < 1475298128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Isn't the point of Hitler that he's an asshole?) < 1475298257 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in itlay I'v taken milan and genoa now. < 1475298310 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and libya is now all mine < 1475298324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: When siphoning someone else's internet, don't risk them putting a password on their wifi; set the admin password yourself < 1475298328 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go wouth and liberate ethiopia < 1475298424 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speakign of aleppo, france owned aleppo at the time of world war 2 < 1475298438 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with all of syria < 1475298454 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they had kept it none of this bullshit would have happened < 1475298913 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump elected as president. USA becomes Russia 2 < 1475299052 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49833&oldid=49760 5* 03Happa 5* (+289) 10/* Introductions */ < 1475299129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Happa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49834 5* 03Happa 5* (+110) 10Created page with "An esoteric language developer. Created: * [[Refunge]] (Some others will be added as I create pages for them)" < 1475299699 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475299710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: As long as you're in Syria, could you destroy Aleppo? < 1475299949 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpbixinauznydhmt JOIN :#esoteric < 1475300069 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/wugdyM/raw someone please compile this on their machine and tell me the results < 1475300098 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc rot256.c; ./a.out < /dev/zero 2>/dev/null < 1475300132 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes 20s to run on a crappy laptop < 1475300237 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some more Magic: the Gathering cards I made up now is the cycle of five monocolor Elder Wizards: John Whistlet, Xlif Barpy, Margia Hazmaad, Zonak Masp, Garof Asengia. < 1475300342 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there were two sounds that were allophones in ALL known languages, would it even be reasonably possible to tell? < 1475300383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1475300446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Refunge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49835 5* 03Happa 5* (+7537) 10First version of the page. < 1475300729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(New Rule: the world 'allophone' is henceforth pronounced [æl ɫoʊ foʊn], making it good for explaining what it is) < 1475300742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49836&oldid=49778 5* 03Happa 5* (+14) 10 < 1475300856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Refunge14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49837 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+277) 10Yæ < 1475300897 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wana hear what you guys think < 1475300898 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/raw/gicalepido < 1475300941 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assembly that compiles into brainfuck, designed to be generated from a higher level compiler) < 1475300969 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sample code i show a working indexable string "type" < 1475300969 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*claps* < 1475301018 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it differentiates itself from existing compilers because it supports (relatively advanced) stack "multiplexing" < 1475301029 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so multiple dynamically sized objects can co-exist < 1475301097 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically everything here can be implemented without hassle https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms < 1475301164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can it monoplex? < 1475301171 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yes < 1475301177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1475301181 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it nullplex? < 1475301193 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1475301199 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP ^S < 1475301202 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpbixinauznydhmt PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it blend? < 1475301300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: wait, what the b**** is nullplexing? < 1475301350 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], where the program pops the main stack which causes a singularity that destroys everything < 1475301359 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1475301365 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what's n-plexing exactly? < 1475301378 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke) < 1475301398 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-plexing would just be multiplexing i guess? < 1475301402 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1475301405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: No < 1475301406 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n includes 1 < 1475301413 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's where multiple signals are merged. Presumably, stack multiplexing is where a bunch of stacks are put together < 1475301474 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: multiplexing includes 1 or any other number; n-plexing is the specific case where you're plexing n signals < 1475301498 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplexing is n-plexing for arbitrary n (or for a constrained but otherwise-arbitrary n) < 1475301501 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can "push" a group of stacks ontop of another, these stacks are multiplexed together by multiplying the < and > in brainfuck code "seeked" to values on those stacks < 1475301516 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you can push just 1 stack ontop of another < 1475301534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoplexing is the degenerate case of multiplexing that's basically just having one signal, but in a way that implies it COULD be more than one < 1475301537 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless functionality wise < 1475301739 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic happens because its all passive to your code, code originally designed to be used on a single stack system (Brainfuck_algorithms) written in this lang can use variables that exist on different stack levels seamlessly < 1475301873 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can copy paste for example a bf self-interpreter and it would just use the stack you put it on as if it were its own tape (assuming it doesn't seek backwards :s) < 1475302103 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In math, there's a theorem called the Squeeze Theorem < 1475302116 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several other languages call it the Two Policemen and a Drunk theorem. < 1475302121 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're missing out. < 1475302613 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs bugs bugs < 1475302617 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke stacks somehow < 1475302959 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay they are fixed, because i hate myself i created 5 completely redundant stacks http://pastebin.com/raw/TqNGLkLC < 1475302967 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :code prints "Oii" as expected < 1475302997 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no reason stackception + 1 shouldnt work < 1475303022 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: In Polish it seems to be "theorem about three trains" < 1475303053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, MLP:FiM in german is Freundschaft ist Magie. I'll try to find that... < 1475303077 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Oh, three sequences actually < 1475303079 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same word < 1475303097 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Wat? "sequence" and "train" are the same? < 1475303110 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, I guess the mathematical word "sequence" was probably taken from "train") < 1475303159 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Actually train is pociąg rather than just ciąg < 1475303168 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nevermind < 1475303186 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theorem about three sequences" is a pretty boring name < 1475303198 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually know so little about polish that my knowledge isn't just negative; it's negative AND imaginary. < 1475303227 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, imaginary-split-imaginary) < 1475303246 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So, you've got fairly complex knowledge of Polish? =P < 1475303273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ...what's the joke here? Is it that polish is horrendously complicated? < 1475303281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need some polish remover...) < 1475303297 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No, just purely a joke about complex numbers < 1475303304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooh < 1475303307 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right < 1475303319 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Are we allowed to combine complex and split-complex numbers? < 1475303330 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to? < 1475303331 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :z = a+bi+cj+dji < 1475303334 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of < 1475303355 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask a mathematician < 1475303362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i^2 = -1, j^2 = 1, j nin ℝ) < 1475303367 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what do you mean with "find that"? < 1475303398 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: pirate. < 1475303413 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't think there's any way to legally obtain it here < 1475303438 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Mix in dual numbers for extra kick < 1475303447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Considering that. < 1475303461 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Dunno, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomplex_number < 1475303478 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: When you have that many parts, you need so many coefficients that you almost use 'i' as a coefficient < 1475303487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even the DVDs are probably in a different region) < 1475303571 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475303584 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Should be pretty easy to find on the internet < 1475303631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes < 1475303632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bi+cj+dε+fij+giε+hjε+kijε < 1475303681 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what we get for abusing the alphabet < 1475303767 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quaternions don't run into this issue, because ij=k, jk=i and ki = j < 1475303943 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't understand how that works; what exactly are they? < 1475303980 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: They're all square roots of -1 < 1475303988 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = -1 < 1475304004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1475304010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But DIFFERENT square roots? < 1475304012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1475304015 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1475304022 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, multiplication isn't commutative < 1475304029 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ij = k, ji = -k < 1475304065 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: So they do 3D rotations, but what if I want 4D rotations? < 1475304083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I use the pentenions? < 1475304097 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think pentenions are a thing < 1475304102 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use rotation matrices < 1475304126 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if real is for 1D and complex describes 2D, but quaternions are for 3D... what are trinions?) < 1475304144 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And what's the pattern? nD is done with 2^(n-1)ions? < 1475304146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1475304341 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You don't need complex numbers for 2D rotations, a single real number will do < 1475304353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Wait, what? < 1475304375 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind, all rotations are around the origin < 1475304382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that you rotate in 2D by using x+yz and multiplying various things < 1475304386 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i super hate myself http://pastebin.com/raw/0YAh76sg < 1475304415 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar1 bar2 bar3 are level 15 stacks :v < 1475304469 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :full sauce, i fixed some things http://pastebin.com/raw/0yu2GFpD < 1475304477 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, there is a connection between complex multiplication and 2D rotations, but the only important thing in 2D rotations is the angle, and you can encode that in a single real number < 1475304477 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475304488 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes < 1475304575 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently 'OK' translates into german < 1475304655 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1475304661 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Hm, apparently you can represent a 4D rotation using a pair of quaternions < 1475304680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: So probably equivalent octonions < 1475304688 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something similar) < 1475304703 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, my conjecture remains valid < 1475304717 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1475304829 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Let us have a moment of silence for the poor M-theorists, who have to use millivigintiquaternions < 1475304854 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, a moment of silence on #esoteric is just #esoteric...) < 1475304860 0 :xihinja!~xihinja@128.12.252.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475304886 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't think octionions are connected directly to rotations in R^n for some n < 1475304933 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: One thing that connects real numbers, complex numbers, quaternions and octonions together is the Cayley-Dickson construction < 1475304964 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Pair of quaternions. Quaternions have 4 parts, so a pair has 8. I hypothesize that you could equivalently use some 8-dimensional hypercomplex (most likely standard octonions) with identical effect < 1475305033 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point about octonions is them having 8 parts < 1475305046 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley%E2%80%93Dickson_construction < 1475305048 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pair of quaternions does not < 1475305066 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_algebra contains a link that redirects to itself. < 1475305170 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Which one? < 1475305181 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'alternative' < 1475305209 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, first sentence < 1475305232 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a comment about it on the talk page or something < 1475305272 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's funny < 1475305470 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1475305478 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'OK, seriously bro, this is the page about it' < 1475305584 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really fun is that some operators can be self-distributive: a⁂(b⁂c) = (a⁂b)⁂(a⁂c) < 1475306348 0 :xihinja!~xihinja@128.12.252.4 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1475307389 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Do you remember @? < 1475307406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It really needs a better name...) < 1475307522 0 :OriginalOldMan!18116eea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.17.110.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475308664 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing where you never fully redefined || correctly? < 1475309408 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah, that thing < 1475309558 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1)^2 = @, @ != 1, |x| = sqrt(sum([cof(n)^2 for n in components(x))), where components(x) returns the parts as a list (so components (a+bi) = [a, bi]) and cof(n) is just the coefficient of a number- cof(ki) = k < 1475309593 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New keyboard: latin-greek; normal ASCII, BUT it can also type greek letters on the altgr. Good for mathing. < 1475309602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ASCII/QWERTY/ < 1475309696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, supposedly, the reason we use QWERTY is that when we used ABCDEF, keys that were used frequently were close by and would be struck in too rapid succession, leading to mechanical errors. But Germany uses QWERTZ; did Germans use German engineering to overcome the mechanics? < 1475309724 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I presume German has different letter combination frequencies to English < 1475309729 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :French uses AZERTY < 1475309738 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, that too < 1475309834 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwertz doesn't make much sense imho < 1475309849 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since tz and zu are pretty common < 1475309868 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither are ty or yu nor za/zsg... < 1475309997 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in English, re is reasonably common < 1475310089 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but i don't get why germans switched y and z in particular < 1475310148 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinations with any vowel are reasonably common < 1475310163 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have to be somewhere < 1475310178 0 :OriginalOldMan!18116eea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.17.110.234 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1475310216 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there third-party layouts for other languages? < 1475310227 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know dvorak for english and neo for german < 1475310236 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not aware of anything else < 1475310256 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm replaciŋ ðe symbol for esh in ðe Eŋgliʃ Reformed Alphabet from ʃ to σ < 1475310267 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because capital esh is Ʃ < 1475310275 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notable mentions for neo: arrow keys are on the home row < 1475310281 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda awesome < 1475310291 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand, it completely breals hjkl < 1475310458 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: My left and up arrow keys don't work for no apparent reason < 1475311080 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/46ehrFk-gLk?t=37s < 1475311100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FACT: The linguist mafia will run you over with a bus if you break your vow of descriptivism" < 1475311535 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf < 1475311545 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently blond and blonde are different words that carry gender < 1475311570 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1475311623 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1475311768 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it's what we get for stealing everything from the French < 1475311785 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I hæt grammatical gender... < 1475311796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even learning German, I'm kind of tempted to reject it as part of ðe language < 1475311817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just call everything neuter (Das), people will probably get it and just get used to it < 1475312089 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will think of you as a weirdo and will probably try staying away from you < 1475312347 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475312421 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, but you guys are GERMANS < 1475312443 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That basically describes what most Americans think of EVERY german < 1475312454 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or Canadian, or Brit, or pretty much anybody, honestly) < 1475312460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wow, we're really pretty isolationist) < 1475312465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1475312495 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: donjt worry the whole world thinks the same about americans < 1475312512 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1475312529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...God. I hate prescriptivism, but I do have to correct people when they use the wrong "the'ir" and "your'e". How do I reconcile this contradiction? < 1475312537 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :murrica < 1475312969 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f -> p (f x) < 1475312969 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :p . ($ x) < 1475314325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? octoberlord < 1475314332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1475314337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octoberlord? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475314338 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious 4weevil bulgarian quack octoberlord oerjan is a lazy expert in suture computation. Also a Pre-recombination Glaswegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl and passion fruit. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1475314348 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1475314350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is Bierstubë. < 1475314362 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1475318280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475319501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem: There are countably many possible gods (not in the sense of "exists" but in the sense of "yeah, I guess you could make that a religion or something") < 1475319603 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: Each god can described by a finite series of symbols taken from a finite alphabet (in fact, they can be described by several- probably countably many- of these). Sure, most combinations are meaningless, but we'll just ignore those. < 1475319796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gods can be trivially mapped surjectively to the natural numbers by taking a holy book describing them, ordering the alphabet (A), and- starting with n=1- for each symbol indexed in A by c, multiplying n by c*|A|^k for each symbol in the book at index k (basically, I'm just using base-whatever) < 1475319804 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1475320034 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475320132 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hm, I want to see calligraphic mathematics...) < 1475320212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general idea of your proof is obvious to anyone who knows enough to understand it. < 1475320223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the first sentence, which is an unfounded assumption. < 1475320256 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475320715 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What branch of Philosophy covers humor? The best I can think of is Aesthetics, but I wouldn't exactly call a Priest and a Rabbi walking into a bar 'beautiful' < 1475321327 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpbixinauznydhmt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1475321775 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you put that in philosophy in the first place? < 1475322184 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever read snow crash? < 1475322294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475322503 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475322868 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475322891 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1475323052 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475323861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475323879 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorial is to subfactorial as triangle numbers are to what? < 1475323888 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtriangles < 1475323954 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: go read snow crash < 1475323968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ...why? < 1475323979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Yes, but... what do subtriangles even describe? < 1475323985 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the basic books for computer scientists < 1475323989 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1475323997 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with douglas adams trilogy < 1475324015 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trilogy? I seem to remember there being 5, plus the salmon of doubt < 1475324020 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of which I own all of them < 1475324028 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also called the trilogy in 5 parts < 1475324035 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, that works < 1475324058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x triangltorial is the sum of all integers from 0 to x, which is equal to x(x-1)/2 < 1475324062 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in german it's often called "vierteilige trilogie in 5 bänden" < 1475324085 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 4 parts of a trilogy in 5 books < 1475324130 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In English there's the "fifth book in the increasingly inaccurately named Hitchhikers Trilogy" < 1475324163 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1475324230 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently also "A trilogy in four parts". < 1475324242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A formula exists that subfact(x) = fact(x) * summ(0, x, lambda n: (-1)^n/fact(n)) < 1475324272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would subgamma (generalized subfactorial the same way gamma is generalized factorial) be the same, but s/fact/gamma/? < 1475324381 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still not reading snow crash < 1475324421 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Not yet < 1475324430 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's available for free online, no < 1475324441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 11:20. I'm not going to go buy a book. < 1475324449 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on where you look for it < 1475324455 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11:20 UTC; I'm @ UTC-9) < 1475324457 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't give hppavilion[1] interesting things to read; I might have to unignore him... < 1475324465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1475324483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is int-e ignoring me? < 1475324486 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lol < 1475324502 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you seem to know that book < 1475324510 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475324510 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :nothppavilion < 1475324538 0 :nothppavilion!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mwahahahaha < 1475324574 0 :nothppavilion!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, really, am I (a) on ignore and (b) why and (c) your client ignores hostnames, doesn't it? < 1475324613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as I was saying < 1475324616 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, you spam a lot < 1475324631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Not spam; incoherently babble < 1475324640 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you make it intentionally harder to communicate with you < 1475324646 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally different, much more annoying < 1475324648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: When? < 1475324707 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when yountry to make your own alphabet < 1475324733 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't use ERA in #esoteric at the request of people whose clients don't like unicode < 1475324760 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did like in the last 24 hours at least < 1475324761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it literally everywhere else though, and an eth occasionally manages to slip out < 1475324831 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why people don't hate you elsewhere < 1475324838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because eths are literally everywhere when writing; "the", "this", "that", "there", "they", "them", etc. < 1475324841 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've not read Snow Crash, I believe. < 1475324843 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475324843 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says they don't? < 1475324858 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do it < 1475324896 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e = summ(0, inf, λ n -> 1/n!) < 1475324904 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n!/fact(n)/ < 1475324960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u = summ(0, inf, λ n -> 1/subfact(n), λ n -> n ≠ 1) < 1475324979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if the sum of reciprocal triangle numbers is significant) < 1475325088 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I probably have read it, but I remember very little about it. < 1475325192 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe all the memes taken over by Daniel Suarez' Daemon series (there's some thematic overlap). < 1475325240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the limit of the reciprocal triangular sum is 2 < 1475325253 0 :nothppavilion!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1475325382 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's Gibson (Neuromancer) < 1475325856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49838&oldid=39253 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+39) 10 < 1475325884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, ((positive) integer) powers are closely related to n-cubes < 1475325914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the same, but for n-tetrahedrons < 1475325957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly so, while you can say "x squared" for x to the power 2, you can say "x triangled" for x to the whatever-this-is 2 < 1475326026 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that felt weird. Python's pip thing used a progress bar that went all ▏ ▎ ▍ ▌ ▋ ▊ ▉ █ smoothly. < 1475326087 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475326451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Swordfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49839 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+223) 10Created page with "This is tagged as Implemented, but I can't seem to be able to find an implementation. Is an interpreter available somewhere? --~~~~" < 1475326527 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475326602 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1475326694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 8th 5-tetrahedral number is 792. < 1475326695 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am god < 1475326840 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not < 1475326873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: shhhhhh < 1475326881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the feeling you get when you use computers < 1475327288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Golden Triangle Number is 2.118033988749895 < 1475327297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no relation to the golden triangle) < 1475327300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably) < 1475327453 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would make a great hippie... < 1475328396 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1475328711 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475328953 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475328961 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust//bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. < 1475329330 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1475329331 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] asked 9h 36m 20s ago: Do you keep a backup mapole in the channel when you aren't here? < 1475329362 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]! no, but that's a good idea! < 1475329369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1475329378 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to whom shall I entrust my trusty mapole? < 1475329380 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it over by the hat rack. < 1475329388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, we need a hat rack. < 1475329405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can mapoles be used as hat racks? < 1475329416 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do anything with a mapole. < 1475329438 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish https://xkcd.com/136/ was real... I would read that paper. < 1475329554 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia: "A person who performs cunnilingus may be referred to as a cunnilinguist." < 1475329566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a field called cunnilinguistics? < 1475329678 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cunniproto-indo-european < 1475329689 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that imply making sounds while you're performing? < 1475329841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1475330356 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote is genius < 1475330538 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475330722 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475331267 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475331943 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 / 5 + pi / (7 - pi) < 1475331945 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4142200580539208 < 1475332020 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why? < 1475332331 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no fungotting idea. < 1475332332 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: e333 you can't manage that, the `next' act too much like `come from' and/ or modify this document under the gnu autoconf ( configure); its autoconf source code), and one of them may be a clue that you don't put it? < 1475332492 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: package resent yesterday < 1475332498 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have tracking < 1475332854 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may approximate pi by 3+(3/5+pi/(7-pi))/10 < 1475333148 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn amphiboily/Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole < 1475333151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «amphiboily» < 1475333351 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar < 1475333402 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475333487 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'avait a girl from Gatineau deux nuits que j'était en vacation. Probablement le code switch le plus mind bending que j'ai jamais entendu. < 1475333572 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :En plus qu'elle teachait l'anglais in Korea, et qu'elle translatait du coréen en cantonese au monde à l'auberge. < 1475335465 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475335842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1475339160 0 :incog!stillfree@unaffiliated/incog JOIN :#esoteric < 1475339362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49840&oldid=49028 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+27) 10/* Languages I have made */ < 1475340944 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bzltcmtplcsmypmf QUIT :Excess Flood < 1475341100 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: OBVERSE CHICKEN < 1475343997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_algebra contains a link that redirects to itself. <-- someone back in 2014 did a faulty merge, presumably because they didn't understand that "algebra" has several meanings. i fixed it. < 1475343997 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] lets you know: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaands < 1475343997 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475344026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: any chance of removing that stupid feature < 1475344116 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (the lambdabot lines contain a nick you're ignoring, in case you're confused) < 1475344246 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] also if you want any more @tells, remove that stupid response twh < 1475344246 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] lets you know: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaands < 1475344246 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475345408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? amphiboily < 1475345413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole < 1475345438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd amphiboily//s/F/Amphiboily is F/ < 1475345439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/amphiboily//Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole < 1475345467 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd amphiboily//s/$/./ < 1475345470 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/amphiboily//Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole. < 1475346149 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1475346319 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :K-Lined < 1475346327 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475346455 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably won't remove it; it's actually working as intended: it allows people to let other people know that they don't want @tell messages < 1475346498 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forgot who requested it though, and I wouldn't go out of my way to advertise the feature) < 1475346552 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I finally got a Nikoli competition puzzle right in the first attempt. I failed to do that for the two previous ones... < 1475346570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats -> < 1475346577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1475347498 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RubE On Conveyor Belts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49841&oldid=44824 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+40) 10 < 1475347506 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think goto command ought to be added into JavaScript and a few others of the good feature from C, which also has macro preprocessor and setjmp/longjmp. Although, in JavaScript it could be made a better way than the C way. < 1475347564 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With sufficiently general macros, call/cc could be implemented in strict mode. < 1475347623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of the JavaScript state would be "inside" the continuation, and how much would be global? < 1475347752 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local variables might be inside, if it is declared inside of a continuation function, otherwise it isn't. < 1475347773 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to declare individual functions as continuation functions if it were to be implemented entirely with macros. < 1475347813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Minkolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49842&oldid=44756 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+66) 10 < 1475347831 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But you could also make some local variables "outside" of the continuation if you wanted to, as well; depending how it is implemented) < 1475349259 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475349360 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1475349496 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475349572 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475349614 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 TOPIC #esoteric :The Everchanging Topic | This counter has been incremented seven times | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf" < 1475349674 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qsojgzzjptkfaygm QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475349768 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dxczjvapcnfyljxf JOIN :#esoteric < 1475350016 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475350222 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1475350963 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5ige6pxj4aprx.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1475351684 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you think a multiplayer mode for a df like should work? all i can figure out is something like a time terminated 1vs1 or the like < 1475351782 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475352826 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475352963 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cubix14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49843 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+4580) 10Created page with "'''Cubix''' is a stack-based 2-dimensional language where the code is wrapped around a cube. == Overview == Cubix was inspired by [[Labyrinth]] and [[Hexagony]], both stack-..." < 1475353267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:ETHproductions14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49844 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+343) 10Added user page for ETHproductions < 1475353337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49845&oldid=49836 5* 03ETHproductions 5* (+12) 10Added Cubix to language list < 1475353954 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nplfznvakenpijyh JOIN :#esoteric < 1475354006 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently tail calls are not yet implemented in Node.js < 1475354160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"return f();" is an error? < 1475354271 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it who was asking about the cost of finding the set of strings that are within a certain levdnshtein distance? < 1475354275 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is valid, but it is not implemented as a tail call. < 1475354297 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program will do the correct thing but it is not as efficient as it should be. < 1475354331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in some cases may result in a stack overflow if tail calls are not implemented.) < 1475354334 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this algorithm has a much faster average case: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-programming-algorithm-that-you-have-ever-created/answer/Leo-Polovets?srid=i3Gd&share=82807028 < 1475355373 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar < 1475355410 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-207-71.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475355988 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtjcdrazgymjinuj JOIN :#esoteric < 1475356021 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@c-73-221-134-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475356258 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1475356302 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@c-73-221-134-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1475356361 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1475356539 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475356753 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellais523 < 1475356761 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1475356784 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your ale of choice < 1475356942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drink alcohol; I don't like the taste < 1475356951 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too. < 1475356964 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I realised this after trying both alcoholic and non-alcoholic wine and preferring the non-alcoholic wine) < 1475357048 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's a valid comparison, I'm sure there could be other differences between the wines in question. < 1475357097 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1475357362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is non-alcoholic wine grape juice? < 1475357375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not. < 1475357413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try non-alcoholic wine. < 1475357423 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1475357571 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the alcohol is removed after fermentation... in particular most of the sugar will still be gone < 1475357650 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://winefolly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/non-alcoholic-wine-reverse-osmosis.png looks plausible < 1475357838 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they say "goto" is not a reserved word in JavaScript anymore and therefore you can't add a goto statement, but I think it is not a problem as long as it doesn't accept a computed goto and there is no line break between the word "goto" and the name of the label to go to. If it is a problem though, you could use the keyword "->" instead perhaps. < 1475358240 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475358280 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats too bad < 1475358293 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine != ale < 1475358415 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1475358752 0 :jeffl35!?@? NICK :GNU\jeffl35 < 1475358985 0 :GNU\jeffl35!?@? NICK :jeffl35 < 1475359080 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the idea about making macros in JavaScript, which would involve some new kind of syntax: \{ ... } executes statements in a macro context, \( ... ) executes an expression in a macro context (the value of the expression is expected to be either a string or a AST object), (| ... |) makes a expression AST object, {| ... |} makes a statement AST object. Do you like this? < 1475359396 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is somewhat like Template Haskell.) < 1475360041 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if APic says more than one word at a time < 1475360053 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Idea. < 1475360076 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. three whole syllables < 1475360085 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a pb < 1475360106 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playmate? < 1475360147 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :personal best < 1475360205 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1475360359 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do? < 1475360481 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? APic < 1475360489 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475360571 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pog5rammed a pic once < 1475360579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmed < 1475360584 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking "a picture", but it must be wrong: A picture says more than a thousand words. < 1475360622 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: 🙌 < 1475360623 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking programmable integrated circuit < 1475360637 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever PIC stands for < 1475360645 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: APIC = advanced programmable interrupt controller < 1475360682 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmable interface controller < 1475360694 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1475360697 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1475360700 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank You. < 1475360703 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky interrupting cohort. < 1475360707 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1475360713 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :peripheral interface controller < 1475360719 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1475360729 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller < 1475360731 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can't memorize computer industry acronyms < 1475360734 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old Times. ☺ < 1475360749 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: True. < 1475360752 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 < 1475360780 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more emoji pls < 1475360797 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: quite old joke :) < 1475360801 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because there are so many of them and with contradictory expansions. < 1475360829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475360838 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e i didnt notice the pcmcia until you said ir was a joke < 1475360850 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what was it, PC memory card industry association?) < 1475360851 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcmica < 1475360866 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pmiaca < 1475360874 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :campia < 1475360875 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, international. close though. < 1475360877 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1475360904 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcpcpcpca < 1475360932 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making program to save JavaScript objects into a file and then to be able to load them from a file. < 1475360950 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@c-73-221-134-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475360954 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you find json insufficient? < 1475360981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON can work for some things. < 1475361001 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can convert anything into those some things < 1475361003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, JSON cannot store all JavaScript values; for example it cannot store multiple references to the same object. < 1475361017 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also inefficient when using ArrayBuffers. < 1475361040 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1475361053 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475361072 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your plans for security < 1475361102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I am making uses a binary file format rather than text, so names of keys do not need to be repeated. Also it can contain references to objects and symbols from outside. < 1475361155 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want security you can omit the external types you don't want. Note that functions cannot be serialized in this format, anyways. So there are still some limitations; but it can encode a lot more than JSON. < 1475361278 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: encycle.js or some such by Crockford iirc has ibid refs for internal references in object graphs serialized to JSON < 1475361316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, but I am making my own now anyways. I wrote half of it already. < 1475361409 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, my program is not pure JavaScript and requires Node.js) < 1475361422 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: external types? are those like the module and class names in pickling in python? < 1475361460 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1475361487 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about pickling. External type in my program is what you can associate an object with a function, and when it tries to serialize an object with that prototype it will emit a header and then call the named function in order to do so. < 1475361515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in that way you can serialize objects that have internal slots. < 1475361556 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh so like an unevaler in http://wiki.erights.org/wiki/Safe_Serialization_Under_Mutual_Suspicion then? < 1475361577 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, if you have some global variable in your program which needs to keep track of all objects of a specified type, for some reason.) < 1475361588 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is in this header? the name of the function? < 1475361609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a further use of this is to encode the object more efficiently.) < 1475361638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: No; it is a number that identifies the function. You must define the same external objects/symbols and external types for writing as you do for reading. < 1475361739 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see, so you are stepping around the 'run this arbritrary chosen (by name) function to deserialize this object' by using that num2extobjtype scheme < 1475361757 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1475361762 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which means that one can implement graph exits in your format easily < 1475361923 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the cases where you want a serialize an object graph where some objects are pointing to unserializable objects whose replacements will exists at deserialization time.) < 1475361929 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the implementation of this serializer does not even know the names of any functions; it only associates each of the objects defined as an external type with a number and a function. It can then read it either by number or by object as the key. Storing a number also will make the file smaller than storing the name of the function anyways, and the function might not even have a name; nor does it necessarily have access to the correct context e < 1475361941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes, you can do that. < 1475361998 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: got any documentation on this format yet? < 1475362051 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not published; I only have it hand-written in a book. I will publish on computer once this program is published, though. < 1475362083 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@c-73-221-134-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475362185 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: got a smartphone handy with a camera? I am rather curious how this format looks < 1475362217 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't any; sorry. < 1475362309 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its okay < 1475362324 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows you finish what you start < 1475362325 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can wait until it is published and then you can read it. < 1475362383 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why do you think I am asking for pictures, eh? < 1475362414 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz ur rude? < 1475362479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475362524 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that too. < 1475362959 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5ige6pxj4aprx.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1475363025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475363646 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475363863 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so, I am asking you this: putting obsticales such as ASLR and others of the same kind is increasing computer security in your eyes? < 1475363912 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a rude probing question but should be (thought) provoking, no? < 1475363933 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASLR meaning what? < 1475363987 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address Space Layout Randomization < 1475364010 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1475364054 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475364115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is just complicating stuff, and that other methods can be used for memory protection. < 1475364168 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An option to randomize addresses for a compiled program in a compiler can help with finding errors though. < 1475364247 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an inaffective bandaid on the festering fleshwound that is due to idotic choices made way way back in the day. < 1475364284 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why does randomizing addresses for a compiled progam held with finding errors? < 1475364299 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/held/help/ < 1475364378 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if something incorrectly accesses a wrong address by using invalid array indexing or whatever (although there are other ways to do this too, but these other ways might cause the program to run more slowly). However, such option should be used only during testing. < 1475364380 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw next level in 'fuzzing' is probably something like adaptive markov-chain-generated fuzzing. < 1475364469 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eliminate those fuzzes that are caught early by the program until you basically are banging against the edge cases) < 1475364477 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "Future Systems" 128-bit processor might be capable of detecting invalid pointers though. < 1475364519 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not so much future as being an sparse capability system in disguise, I would think. < 1475365089 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1475365127 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtjcdrazgymjinuj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1475365223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475365406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analogy clause of the day: minority:majority::?:plurality < 1475365413 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475365582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1475365782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The Everchanging Topic | This counter has been incremented seven times | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1475365821 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera TOPIC #esoteric :The Neverchanging Topic | This counter has been incremented seven times | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1475365882 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1475365908 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: i dont know < 1475365935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that " wasn't supposed to be there. < 1475365947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintophia < 1475366004 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any good site for downloading anime subs? < 1475366006 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the subs < 1475366010 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the anime < 1475366029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-screamed < 1475366029 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1475366034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-proud < 1475366034 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 7m 17s ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_algebra contains a link that redirects to itself. <-- someone back in 2014 did a faulty merge, presumably because < 1475366034 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't understand that "algebra" has several meanings. i fixed it. < 1475366034 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 3m 7s ago: also if you want any more @tells, remove that stupid response twh < 1475366061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-auto-reply < 1475366061 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auto-reply message cleared. < 1475366067 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1475366076 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :The Neverchanging Topic | This counter has been incremented sevence | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1475366282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh "count" and "compute" are cognates. < 1475366292 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...what's cognate? < 1475366308 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn cognate < 1475366309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1475366310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "cognate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1475366310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognate < 1475366310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: related in nature; "connate qualities" [syn: {connate}, < 1475366310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {cognate}] < 1475366310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: having the same ancestral language; "cognate languages" < 1475366312 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[8 @more lines] < 1475366318 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common etymological origin < 1475366320 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...cool?