00:01:49 <pikhq> All the more horrifying when you want to think about how it fits into C locales.
00:02:28 <pikhq> ... Near as I can tell, the spec isn't even specific enough to let you know if the Turkish case mapping is a permissible implementation.
00:07:22 <shachaf> the spec doesn't allow for a language which isn't localely-euclidean
00:10:48 <oerjan> that still leaves manifold options
00:11:32 <lambdabot> *** "manifold" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
00:11:32 <lambdabot> adj 1: many and varied; having many features or forms; "manifold
00:11:32 <lambdabot> reasons"; "our manifold failings"; "manifold
00:11:32 <lambdabot> intelligence"; "the multiplex opportunities in high
00:12:02 <fizzie> I think I've seen "...!" in a book, but not really as a trailing exclamation, more of a delayed realization.
00:12:37 <oerjan> shachaf: are you doubting my puns tdnh
00:13:04 <shachaf> oerjan: no, i was wondering whether that use is legitimate, because i'd avoided it in the past
00:14:46 <dingbat> hppavilion[1]: ah yeah I see what you mean now. I often have a need for for the question- and bang-comma
00:16:15 <lambdabot> technology" [syn: {manifold}, {multiplex}]
00:16:15 <lambdabot> n 1: a pipe that has several lateral outlets to or from other
00:16:15 <lambdabot> 2: a lightweight paper used with carbon paper to make multiple
00:16:15 <lambdabot> copies; "an original and two manifolds" [syn: {manifold
00:16:44 <oerjan> shachaf: it seems a bit scow that @wn gives examples with synonyms instead...
00:22:48 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> ais523: It was intended to be very obscure so that as you decode it into intelligible English, you get the joke <-- pretty sure it failed hth
00:23:16 <oerjan> (well, not at the obscure part)
00:25:36 <hppavilion[1]> "obscure" was just the best word that came to mind
00:29:33 <oerjan> <\oren\> the unicode database in hackego is clearly outdated <-- how out of date? i upgraded it a few months ago, although some commands might not use the right one...
00:29:41 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import re \ import sys, os \ import unicodedata \ def l(c): m = re.match('(?:U[+])?([0-9a-f]{1,5})$', c, re.I); return unicodedata.lookup(c) if m is None else unichr(int(m.group(1),16)) \ try: \ print u''.join(map(l, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ os.execvp("multico
00:30:06 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/python \ \ \ import os, glob, sys, unicodedata, locale, gzip, re, traceback, encodings \ import urllib, webbrowser, textwrap \ \ # bz2 was introduced in 2.3, we want this to work also with earlier versions \ try: \ import bz2 \ except ImportError: \ bz2 = None \ \ # for python3 \ try: \ unicode \ except NameError: \
00:30:21 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/multicode
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00:32:19 <HackEgo> 2016-09-25 <fizzie> revert 58b9ee8f97a7 \ 2016-09-25 <jeffl35> ` rm --no-preserve-root -rfv / # testing, plz no ban \ 2016-01-13 <oerjan> ` sed -i \'s!bin/UnicodeD!share/UnicodeD!\' bin/multicode; mv {bin,share}/UnicodeD* \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> revert \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> rm bin -r \ 2014-04-25 <Jafet> mv bin/{un,mult}icode && (head -n -1 bin/unico
00:32:44 <HackEgo> 2016-09-25 <fizzie> revert 58b9ee8f97a7 \ 2016-09-25 <jeffl35> ` rm --no-preserve-root -rfv / # testing, plz no ban \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> revert \ 2015-06-21 <tswett> rm bin -r \ 2014-04-25 <Jafet> sed -i \'s/"multicode", /"multicode", ["multicode"] +/\' bin/unicode \ 2014-04-25 <Jafet> chmod +x bin/unicode \ 2014-04-25 <Jafet> mv bin/{un,mult}icod
00:33:01 <oerjan> probably only multicode uses it
00:35:45 <oerjan> `` multicode MODIFIER LETTER | tr -d ' -~\n'
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00:36:43 <HackEgo> 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ candide \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ headers \ headers.gch \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ mtg \ nothp \ recipe \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ tanebgrep \ UnicodeData.txt \ units.dat \ usercmds \ WordData
00:38:22 <oerjan> `fetch http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
00:38:25 <HackEgo> 2016-10-06 23:38:03 URL:http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt [1686443/1686443] -> "UnicodeData.txt" [1]
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00:38:38 <oerjan> `` diff Unic* share/Unic*
00:39:41 <oerjan> @tell \oren\ HackEgo's share/UnicodeData.txt is still the newest from unicode.org
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00:44:29 <myname> zachtrpnics really knows how to nerdsnipe
00:45:28 <shachaf> What was that one command kind of like `url?
00:49:52 <oerjan> that's a very vague question
00:50:06 <oerjan> but either `paste or `hurl may do
00:51:30 <HackEgo> 2016-10-02 <oerjan> ` cp bin/{,h}url; sed -i \'11s/file/log/\' bin/hurl
00:51:46 <shachaf> Why is hoag called hoag, again?
00:51:56 <shachaf> hog -> hoag because of an added feature, perhaps
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01:12:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49874&oldid=49869 * Oerjan * (-37) Gah, this link broke the filter
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01:41:32 <myname> uh, mini metro is about to be released for mobile plattforms this month
01:41:35 <oerjan> i hope this doesn't break some other corner case when people aren't editing that page...
01:42:12 <oerjan> @tell ais523 I hope my latest abuse filter tweak doesn't break something else...
01:46:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:AngelicosPhosphoros]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49875 * Oerjan * (+287) Sorry for the trouble
01:50:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:TuxCrafting]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49876 * Oerjan * (+304) Oops
01:51:15 <pikhq> Entropy's dimension is energy/temperature.
01:51:33 <pikhq> Ergo we should measure data in joules/kelvin.
01:54:03 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Perhaps, but I'm going for Planck. Is there a minimum temperature under Planck?
01:54:47 <oerjan> the planck units aren't necessarily minima or maxima
01:55:29 <pikhq> The non-derived ones *tend* to be.
01:55:35 <pikhq> The derived ones are all over the place.
01:56:11 <pikhq> The planck temperature does not seem to be the absolute maximum, but it is the absolute maximum that current theory can function on.
01:56:27 <pikhq> Greater than that and you need a working theory of quantum gravity, which we don't have, apparently.
01:56:41 <pikhq> There is a minimum temperature in Plack units. 0.
01:57:04 <hppavilion[1]> (the acceleration that gets you from 0 to c in 1 planck time flat)
01:58:14 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Correction: What's the minimum *difference* in temperature under Planck? The fancy version of degrees Fahrenheit (oh my god I spelled it right)/Celsius/Kelvin/Rankine
01:58:38 <pikhq> I don't know if there is a well known quanta of temperature.
01:58:55 <pikhq> A physicist rather than a physics amateur might help you there.
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02:01:54 <oerjan> <shachaf> `WELCOME dingbat <-- hm, after the links got shortened, they should be insensitive.
02:02:29 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/jeff*: No such file or directory
02:02:50 <hppavilion[1]> [physicist]: "¡Whew! ¿What's the temperature out here today?" [Man] "Uhh... (checks old-timey thermometer) negative 10." [physicist] "Really? Celsius or Fahrenheit?" [Man] "Kelvin" (Physicist promptly vanishes in a puff of logic)
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02:03:24 <oerjan> negative temperature has been claimed.
02:05:44 <pikhq> Within some closed systems with a very limited number of energy states, negative temperatures can start falling out of equations in very high energy states.
02:06:22 <pikhq> This doesn't happen with e.g. atoms, though.
02:09:17 <oerjan> i vaguely recall someone claiming that was just using the wrong definitions, though.
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02:26:47 <HackEgo> U+273D HEAVY TEARDROP-SPOKED ASTERISK \ UTF-8: e2 9c bd UTF-16BE: 273d Decimal: ✽ \ ✽ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
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02:39:45 <HackEgo> [U+2731 HEAVY ASTERISK] [U+2732 OPEN CENTRE ASTERISK] [U+2733 EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK] [U+2734 EIGHT POINTED BLACK STAR] [U+2735 EIGHT POINTED PINWHEEL STAR] [U+2736 SIX POINTED BLACK STAR] [U+2737 EIGHT POINTED RECTILINEAR BLACK STAR] [U+2738 HEAVY EIGHT POINTED RECTILINEAR BLACK STAR]
02:40:01 <hppavilion[1]> `` u8tbl 0x2731 0x2738 | sed 's/ //g' | unidecode | echo
02:40:01 <HackEgo> close failed in file object destructor: \ sys.excepthook is missing \ lost sys.stderr
02:43:16 <HackEgo> [U+2731 HEAVY ASTERISK] [U+2732 OPEN CENTRE ASTERISK] [U+2733 EIGHT SPOKED ASTERISK] [U+2734 EIGHT POINTED BLACK STAR] [U+2735 EIGHT POINTED PINWHEEL STAR] [U+2736 SIX POINTED BLACK STAR] [U+2737 EIGHT POINTED RECTILINEAR BLACK STAR] [U+2738 HEAVY EIGHT POINTED RECTILINEAR BLACK STAR]
02:43:50 <hppavilion[1]> ...there weren't any spaces in it in the first place >.<
02:47:48 <hppavilion[1]> What's the name for a sort of set-clustering function? Given a set of values S and a function f from those values to something for which the concept of equality makes sense (i.e. most things), the f-cluster of S is a set of sets of values, grouped by those where f x is the same as all others in the set.
02:51:41 <HackEgo> 2016-10-07 <hppavilion[1]> mkx bin/u8tbli//unidecode `u8tbl $1 $2` \ 2016-10-07 <hppavilion[1]> mkx bin/u8tbli//unidecode `u8tbl $1 $2 | sed \'s/ //g\'` \ 2016-10-07 <hppavilion[1]> mkx bin/u8tbli//u8tbl $1 $2 | sed \'s/ //g\' | unidecode
02:55:22 <oerjan> `` echo $1; echo $2; echo hi
02:55:23 <HackEgo> echo $1; echo $2; echo hi \ \ hi
02:56:04 <oerjan> ("$@" is the usual way of saying that)
03:04:40 <HackEgo> echo `echo $1 $1` echo `echo $1 $1`
03:04:52 <HackEgo> echo `echo $1` $1 echo `echo $1` $1
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04:28:50 <imode> I kind of like the idea of the default looping construct for an esolang being a while(1) loop, with conditional breaks.
04:34:35 <imode> where anything between [] loops indefinitely, unless broken by an unconditional break ';' or a conditional break '?'. conditional blocks become a series of subloops that terminate early.
04:35:50 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16AYJ5H7Pr0
04:36:37 <imode> that video is exceptionally loud.
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04:58:57 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaMCvh5qzo8
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06:18:24 <izalove> http://i.imgur.com/lRcztwu.png
06:31:37 <hppavilion[1]> OK, I have to ask, is http://xkcd.com/713/ at all legally possible?
06:32:08 <pikhq> Legally? I don't see why not.
06:33:04 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: I mean are there any remotely popular GeoIP databases that I can change my location in?
06:58:26 <hppavilion[1]> Would a solution to the 3-body problem give you Lagrange points for 3-object systems? Somehow?
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07:06:49 <hppavilion[1]> (cyclogram: a series of words satisfying the property that each word starts with the terminal letter of its predecessor. A chained cyclogram has the first word consider the last its predecessor)
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08:27:12 <hppavilion[1]> They can train rats to fear the smell of tasty fruits (with electric shocks)
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18:09:27 <myname> what do you think about a roguelike where you have two different characters and you can move either of them per turn
18:17:24 <shachaf> I had a dream about NetHack in which it gained an stylized sort of graphics modeled after the current ASCII.
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18:22:19 <shachaf> Another assembly game from Zachtronics.
18:22:42 <ybden> What's this one called?
18:25:44 <shachaf> http://www.zachtronics.com/shenzhen-io/
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18:38:34 <ybden> That looks very cool
18:40:34 <pecan> “where every instruction can be conditionally executed” → it looks like x86 mixed with some old RISC designs
18:40:41 <myname> i wish they would port more gamea to android
18:41:21 <pecan> A lot of designs shortly after the berkley risc paper were like that
18:41:49 <myname> i thought arm dropped a lot of predicated instructions
18:42:01 <pecan> it's more like RISC-V
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19:21:43 <hppavilion[1]> ...oh my fucking god http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,946,647.PN.&OS=PN/5,946,647&RS=PN/5,946,647 is horrifying
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19:26:35 <\oren\> what, the length of the url is horrfying? I agree
19:27:13 <myname> so basically android repeatedly breaks that with their "oh, you try to open a link, let me open the right app for that"?
19:28:24 <\oren\> february 1996; that patent is expired
19:33:40 <FreeFull> The title and abstract of a patent don't tell you much, you have to look at the claims
19:34:11 <FreeFull> But yeah, looking at the claims, that patent is pretty bad
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19:36:03 <\oren\> anyway, maybe I should just implement the remaining subscript, superscript, and smallcap letters in my font ans submit to the Unicode Consortium
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19:36:38 <myname> wait, what do them have to do with fonts?
19:37:58 <\oren\> myname: the point is, I will assign them codepoints in my font and use that as a proposal for how to encode them
19:38:10 <\oren\> this is the usual system
19:38:23 <myname> so your font will become the definition
19:38:44 <\oren\> at least for those characters
19:39:25 <\oren\> i mean, subscript and superscript are a common thing, I'm just going to fill in the ones that heven't yet been encoded
19:39:41 <\oren\> superscript: CFQXYZ, q
19:43:07 <myname> i for one welcome our new unicode overlord
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19:50:39 <pecan> ^ someone else who gets it
19:51:05 * pecan had to remove unicode macro definitions from his code today because tricking gcc into supporting them is too annoying D:
19:51:13 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: IMHO, Unicode should just have characters that indicate "the nest character is to be printed in superscript/subscript"
19:55:32 <hppavilion[1]> You know what'd be great? An agglutinative system of profanity
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19:57:22 <hppavilion[1]> Dam: totally OK; Damn: honestly still OK except around people with no concept of curse levels
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19:59:00 * pecan . o O ( complex profanity system with honorifics for the difference in status between the speaker and the one being addressed )
19:59:32 <pecan> “damn, well done sir! – er, I mean damno! …shit”
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20:12:08 <pecan> I feel like “fuck” is too much of a generic catch-all in English, we need to take some cues from Russian.
20:12:09 <hppavilion[1]> pecan: But we'll also have a rule that correct use of profanity changes social status, so if you use the correct words too often they become incorrect
20:12:40 <pecan> Anyone who can get the system right all the time is very high status indeed.
20:13:00 <hppavilion[1]> pecan: And 'bitch' must be inflected to specify breed
20:14:24 <pecan> we should also use counting words for bitch, but the counting word should match the breed of bitch, e.g. “out of my way, heads of bitchows”
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20:20:24 <pecan`> hppavilion[1]: Yeah, like “20 heads of cattle”, they're pretty rare in english. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifier_(linguistics)
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20:20:56 <hppavilion[1]> pecan: I meant breeds as in dog breeds- bitch is a female dog
20:21:42 <pecan> Yeah, let's use different classifiers for different breeds (I just use “heads” because that's the only english counting word I'm aware of)
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20:22:35 <hppavilion[1]> So we distinguish between newfoundland bitch, golden retriever bitch, dachshund bitch, beagle bitch, poodle pitch, Scottish terrier bitch, etc.
20:23:06 <hppavilion[1]> ybden: 'pitch' is the conjucation of 'bitch' for poodles
20:24:02 <pecan> would it be a dachshund ditch or is a dachshund still a bitch
20:24:15 <myname> i know somebody with a price labeled "best german bitch"
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20:36:58 <\oren\> uh oh I hope I'm not going to provoke a flamewar
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20:41:31 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: I just said something controversial about unicode, how they aren't treating linguists equally with mathematicians
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20:41:50 <\oren\> they aren't giving thm big swathes of characters to play with
20:42:41 <\oren\> http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2016-m10/index.html
20:43:08 <\oren\> Hmm... "filling in Latin alphabet encoding gaps without clear use cases" is
20:43:08 <\oren\> exactly what was done for the blackboard bold letters.
20:43:08 <\oren\> I scarcely think that a use case was submitted for every one of the
20:43:08 <\oren\> blackboard bold etc letters in the mathematical set; merely the use of
20:43:08 <\oren\> blackboard bold for a general purpose of denoting sets such as the
20:43:10 <\oren\> naturals, reals, complex numbers etc, and the fact that arbitrary letters
20:43:13 <\oren\> might be used if a mathematician desired, seems to have sufficed.
20:43:28 <\oren\> ^ I said the above, it might have been harsh.
20:44:01 <\oren\> yes, I'm alot more eloquent in email than in irc
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20:50:51 <hppavilion[1]> Linguistic thing I need (might already exist, but needs to be invented if it doesn't): A BNF-like syntax for phonotactics
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20:51:17 <\oren\> why not just use BNF itself?
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20:54:20 <\oren\> i think many linguists might already be familiar with Backus-Naur Forms
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21:14:53 <\oren\> my email starting working once more and I got four emails in a row bing bing bing bing
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21:53:17 <zzo38> Now I borrowed the GURPS books from the library, and I have added into FurryScript the ability to use "d" without a number to mean d6, for use with GURPS.
21:54:47 <zzo38> I would also need to add in the proper parts for the skill generator
21:55:00 <shachaf> zzo38: But d6 = 0, because 6 is a constant.
21:55:45 <zzo38> This is a different notation though where d6 means a six-sided dice
21:56:38 <\oren\> shachaf: 4d5 can never = 45
21:58:39 <shachaf> Is it either 1d2 or 2d2, depending on the outcome of the first flip?
21:59:47 <zzo38> That should be written (d2)d2 though, not as (d2)(d2)
22:01:09 <shachaf> Ah, and (d2)(d2) means flip two coins and multiply the results?
22:01:29 <shachaf> I should have written (d2)d(2)
22:02:16 <shachaf> So the meaning of dy/dx is apparent.
22:02:35 <zzo38> FurryScript does not currently support notations like that anyways; I will add them
22:03:18 <shachaf> Is there a meaning to 1.5d2?
22:04:59 <\oren\> uh oh, there's a mailstorm happening about email failures
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22:06:21 <\oren\> yeah. people are replying to a giant mailing list
22:06:47 <shachaf> the joke is only about the proposed spelling
22:06:48 <\oren\> oh, the giant mailing list has been shut down. good
22:06:56 <shachaf> it's not very good, perhaps
22:07:09 <shachaf> but you're just dismissing it as not typed correctly, or what?
22:07:19 <\oren\> but the email system is still not working
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23:13:20 <zzo38> FurryScript dice notation now supports d without number, dice in parentheses, and multipliers; that is in addition to what it already supports (multiple terms, drop/keep lowest/highest, and glitches).
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23:14:21 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting operator or end of input
23:14:42 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input
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23:15:27 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input
23:16:02 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input
23:16:16 <zzo38> The skill generator already has some options (different costs per skill, different maximums, initial values, templated skills, dice in skills, cost increasing), but GURPS turns out to be more complicated than that, with mutually exclusive traits, limits that depend on other traits, and in some cases nonlinear costs.
23:16:23 <lambdabot> \oren\: 3 / 89 => 3/89 => 3.3708e-2
23:17:01 <\oren\> @dice 100d100 / 100d100
23:17:01 <lambdabot> \oren\: 5107 / 4790 => 5107/4790 => 1.0662
23:17:05 <\oren\> @dice 100d100 / 100d100
23:17:06 <lambdabot> \oren\: 4697 / 4929 => 4697/4929 => 0.9529
23:17:09 <\oren\> @dice 100d100 / 100d100
23:17:09 <lambdabot> \oren\: 4841 / 5280 => 4841/5280 => 0.9169
23:22:58 <zzo38> Version 13 with the new dice notation is now officially released and documented.
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23:38:47 <\oren\> Well, "treacherous" is right. I'd hesitate to trust an algorithm to
23:38:47 <\oren\> recognize PLANCK CONSTANT as the character name that logically fits
23:38:48 <\oren\> between MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL G and MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL I.
23:38:58 <\oren\> ^ Unicode mailing list hilarity
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