< 1475971816 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1475971877 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475971895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :borehily < 1475971910 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1475971913 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøirjan! < 1475971921 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloonythellodwarf_ < 1475971925 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1475971934 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait, here does the e half of œ come from? < 1475971936 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have an ø < 1475972030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœsted! < 1475972089 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523! it comes from œrjan hth < 1475972126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? œrjan < 1475972128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​œrjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475972160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes but he is't called œørjan < 1475972168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you doubled the vowel there < 1475972178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well be complete and call him oœøerjan :-P < 1475972192 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea. I like vowels. < 1475972262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how else could you write that vowel? ö? < 1475972268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really the same though < 1475972276 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ö is sometimes written oe in German < 1475972324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn œrjan is oerjan and ørjan's superhero third cousin (once removed) from Québec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. < 1475972332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'œrjan': œrjan is oerjan and ørjan's superhero third cousin (once removed) from Québec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. < 1475972338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn œrjan is oerjan and ørjan's superhero third cousin (once removed) from Québec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. < 1475972341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'œrjan': œrjan is oerjan and ørjan's superhero third cousin (once removed) from Québec. he got his cheesy powers by falling into a giant poutine bowl. < 1475972349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is ørjan the evil twin or the good twin? < 1475972356 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\. h/. H/' wisdom/œrjan < 1475972358 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1475972368 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all the oerjantwins are evil hth < 1475972370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan < 1475972371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your pal Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers without noticing it. < 1475972376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1475972384 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ especially that one. very evil. < 1475972410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you defend that do-gooder! < 1475972562 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Örjan is oerjan's Nazi clone. He helps run the secret base on the backside of the moon. < 1475972564 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'Örjan': Örjan is oerjan's Nazi clone. He helps run the secret base on the backside of the moon. < 1475972571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1475972574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? örjan < 1475972575 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​örjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475972641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` slwd 'Örjan//s/./ö/'; mv wisdom/{Ö,ö}rjan < 1475972643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/Örjan//örjan is oerjan's Nazi clone. He helps run the secret base on the backside of the moon. < 1475972672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure I like nazi jokes in the learndb < 1475972682 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/örjan < 1475972684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1475972689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did nazi that coming. < 1475972691 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, well, I'm sure I don't like them, and I'm not sure I even find them acceptable) < 1475973579 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1475974635 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure orwell didn't like the nazis either < 1475974941 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1475975599 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes You so sure? < 1475975637 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without Satire, no free Speech. < 1475975655 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, _we_ do live on the Moon. < 1475975661 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is made out of green Cheese. < 1475975676 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :What _they_ tell us shall be the Moon is the actual Earth. < 1475975695 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :„I got transferred to the Moon — Worse Pay, better Hours.“ — Was (not was) < 1475976700 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn örjan/Örjan is the diæresed twin. He will punctuate your vöẅëls, and maybe a few other unsuspecting letters. < 1475976702 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «örjan» < 1475976819 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? APic < 1475976820 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475976967 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1475976968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Groan Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist who helps keep the world boring. < 1475977033 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip5f5ad616.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1475977225 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: as you can see, I am sane. this is important. < 1475977281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was nani again. < 1475977304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have you dispensed any recently < 1475977430 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were Roujoistic. < 1475977444 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I dealt cards. < 1475977464 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...k < 1475977842 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475977866 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you make sense? < 1475977866 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: uh-oh!! i want my else not to start so late < 1475978353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sensible. < 1475978914 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1475978930 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475978936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly//We don't know what certainly is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor. < 1475978977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag certainly < 1475978979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1475978979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1475978981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg certainly < 1475978983 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-09-25 revert 942e964c81c1 \ 2016-09-25 ` chmod 777 / -R \ 2015-08-13 revert accbc9c5c7ec \ 2015-08-12 echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ 2014-03-16 revert \ 2014-03-16 revert 1 \ 2013-07-31 revert \ 2013-07-31 for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a < 1475978990 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1475978991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people < 1475978996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg certainly | tac < 1475978998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-04 cp wisdom/certain{t,l}y && sed -i \'s/ty/ly/\' wisdom/certainly \ 2013-03-12 revert 2243 \ 2013-03-12 revert 2416 \ 2013-07-31 for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ 2013-07-31 revert \ 2014-03-16 revert 1 \ 2014-03-16 revert \ 2015-08-12 echo w < 1475979013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd certainly//s#at least it#it certainly# < 1475979015 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/certainly//We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor. < 1475979019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? certainty < 1475979020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor. < 1475979025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1475979033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is this a modal logic thing? < 1475979048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone please decide whether to revert that. < 1475979081 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the modal logic thing is more often called necessarily < 1475979108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd certainty//s/at least/we have certainty that/ < 1475979110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/certainty//We don't know what certainty is for sure, but we have certainty that it isn't a functor. < 1475979303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the modal logic thing is a functor, too. < 1475979356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gain certainty until end of turn < 1475979577 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1475980739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The prime minister of Norway was caught playing Pokemon Go in parliament" < 1475981351 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw sweet, we can catch elected representatives as pokemon now? < 1475981376 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-5-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta elect 'em all! < 1475981826 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the HD version of the new episodes of Murdoch Mystery on CBC always lack captions? It only happens on CBC, only on the HD CBC, and only for episodes playing for the first time. The SD CBC does not have this problem. < 1475982262 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the commercials still have captions both on HD and SD. < 1475982529 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjtlkpscmujvtvif QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1475983397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look to me Klingon transliteration is unambiguous but is not a prefix code; a parser for transliterated Klingon text may need to change part of its previous output if "h" is read. < 1475983695 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: LIGHTWEIGHT CHICKEN < 1475983884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "The prime minister of Norway was caught playing Pokemon Go in parliament" <-- ah that explains that joke page (a norwegian onion-alike) i saw. * follows norwegian comics pages but not news... < 1475983909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is closer to comics than news anyway hth < 1475983919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ture < 1475983935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ture < 1475983936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ture? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475983999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally i make a typo that just needs to be there hth < 1475984063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially this particular one < 1475984067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're practically a turing machine < 1475984089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475984235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :det er bare å ture frem < 1475984341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural indefinite of tur < 1475984354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember Mr. Tur Tur? < 1475984390 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, that would be "turer" < 1475984404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly in danish < 1475984412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'm referring to Danish. < 1475984421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this nobel peace prize seems badly timed. < 1475984454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rødgrød med fløde < 1475984591 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rørjån med flån < 1475984626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not familiar with those words hth < 1475984641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn flan < 1475984643 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "flan" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1475984643 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :flan < 1475984643 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: open pastry filled with fruit or custard < 1475984655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know flan. not flån. < 1475984673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :˚ doesn't mean anything hth < 1475984688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flå'n could be a contraction meaning "flay him" < 1475984697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scandinavians put it on top of their letters to seem mysterious < 1475984783 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently flån is a swedish lake name (multiple). < 1475984924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden has a lot of lakes, though. < 1475984927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that doesn't really count. < 1475984942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Norway has even more. < 1475984962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you own a lake < 1475985082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge. < 1475985120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do they go for < 1475985171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there are many that are private. < 1475985189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's probably not much of a market. < 1475986393 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.90.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475988440 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-189.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475988506 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-5-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1475990195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1475990827 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.90.8 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475991145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MatheusAvellar 5* 10New user account < 1475992014 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you express the complexity class n×log²(n) in C syntax? n*(log*log)(n)? n*log(n)*log(n)? invent an exponentiation operator/ < 1475992020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, this is for a comment inside a C program < 1475992106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just use a unicode ² but some compilers might be confused by that < 1475992177 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one. < 1475992234 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*log(n)*log(n) reduces to n*log^2(n). < 1475992255 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I know, was just hoping it abbreviated somehow < 1475992268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also looking at this I'm not sure it's the correct complexity class anyway < 1475992270 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use ^. :P < 1475992282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's xor :-P < 1475992324 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we appropriate symbols for different purposes. blame our character sets. < 1475992337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programming language use ** for exponents < 1475992342 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1475992368 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even JavaScript now does, I think; not everything implement it though) < 1475992443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered ** because it's mostly unambiguous < 1475992540 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Neither Node.js nor Firefox implements ** exponent operator; it is a ES7 feature and ES7 is not implemented yet, and is a draft anyways) < 1475992678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Perl implements ** for exponentiation < 1475992688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print 4**4; < 1475992690 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 < 1475992692 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what programming language will be *** and **** some standard operator of numbers too? < 1475992853 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if * is multiplication and ** is exponentiaton, you'd expect *** to be tetration < 1475992879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration < 1475992925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, tetration's defined for complex tetrs as well as integers, how surprising < 1475992978 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's clearly defined for complex bases, in general) < 1475993304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49892&oldid=49882 5* 03MatheusAvellar 5* (+392) 10Add my short description < 1475993316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Set14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49893&oldid=23401 5* 03MatheusAvellar 5* (+4520) 10Create Set page < 1475993707 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Set14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49894&oldid=49893 5* 03MatheusAvellar 5* (+1612) 10Add example codes < 1475993908 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1475994050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I think I found a great name for my CALESYTA language < 1475994078 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Wiktionary, it has four meanings, three of them are relevant to the semantics, and the fourth is a typical "this language is horrible" esolang name < 1475994126 0 :pecan!pecan@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe55:55e8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you happen to work on anything nethack-related, by any chance? you look familiar. < 1475994155 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pecan: I'm on the NetHack devteam, and maintain NetHack 4 (the community attempt to bring NetHack while the official devteam weren't working on it) < 1475994174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm one of the people in charge of the NetHack TAS, and used to work on TAEB (a NetHack bot) < 1475994188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be easier to ask what NetHack-related things I don't work on :-P < 1475994212 0 :pecan!pecan@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe55:55e8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ha, knew I'd seen you in #nethack or something. < 1475994317 0 :augur_!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475994352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be in #nethack. < 1475994355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was a long time ago. < 1475994374 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try NetHack 3.6.0 < 1475994423 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% convinced it's an improvement < 1475994429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has quite a few controversial changes < 1475994446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, the changes are also not uncontroversially bad < 1475994463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's harder? < 1475994501 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:3cff:b7b8:d0cb:798 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1475994534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a few exploits were removed, it's harder if you used them, it's not that much harder if you didn't < 1475994547 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Elbereth? < 1475994553 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were a few widely-used things like that. < 1475994553 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a change made to the movement formula that makes the game universally slightly harder, I've been trying to get that reversed < 1475994562 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some day, that TAS will be finished. < 1475994563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Elbereth still exists, just weakened. < 1475994589 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-189.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, there was an April 1st submission that's basically a WIP of it. < 1475994604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I asked the NetHack learndb bot to tell you how Elbereth had changed < 1475994623 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@117.20.119.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475994652 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the changelog, I have a general idea. < 1475996676 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@117.20.119.202 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475997437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475998033 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475998177 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Client Quit < 1476000793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ouroboros14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49895 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+4925) 10Created page for Ouroboros < 1476000841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's from grecko-roman mythology, but not sure what it is < 1476000852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgledy piggledy < 1476000858 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there Proto-Indo-European mythology?) < 1476000862 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ello < 1476000894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the "autofellatio shown here" symbol < 1476000895 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1476000931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49896&oldid=49886 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+16) 10Added Ouroboros < 1476001296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49897&oldid=49892 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+251) 10Introduction. < 1476001337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49898&oldid=49897 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+209) 10IRC plug < 1476001368 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49899&oldid=47302 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+125) 10Added Ouroboros < 1476001375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an [[Introduce yourself]] page, but no [[Introduce Shachaf]] page? < 1476001380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems kind of one-sided. < 1476001399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I feel there's a joke here, but I'm not sure what < 1476001437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no user named 'yourself'... < 1476001451 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is it the page for EVERYBODY to introduce you? < 1476001455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1476001462 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah < 1476001550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49900&oldid=49021 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+30) 10Added Ouroboros < 1476001567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: heh, did you try to edit the introduction to the page without introducing first? < 1476001581 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...yes < 1476001582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far that page has been really effective against spambots < 1476001606 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one theory we have is that the human captcha solvers can't see the old content of the page when editing through the spambot interface < 1476001616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah < 1476001627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all the introductions from non-spambots make the page a moving target < 1476001642 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that users who had already made edits and were non-terrible had been autoconfirmed. < 1476001644 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we know that the human captcha solvers can browse to pages manually < 1476001666 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: users who have already made edits shouldn't be hit by the "please introduce yourself" warning < 1476001673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1476001675 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I was < 1476001695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, oerjan recently changed edits to the page to hit anyone who tries to edit it in a way that would break the introduce-yourself detection < 1476001698 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that might be what happened < 1476001702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Alternative idea: Require someone to solve an impossible math problem to join. You may only join if you say it's impossible :P < 1476001706 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1476001728 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, does anyone here watch Stephen Colbert's show? < 1476001740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm not sure I agree with your edit < 1476001747 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why not? < 1476001759 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a good idea of why someone's here from their introduce-yourself post, and many people don't like interacting with IRC < 1476001765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure there's a good reason) < 1476001768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I object to the way that the introduction is "not actual" < 1476001774 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49901&oldid=49695 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+54) 10Added Ouroboros < 1476001787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll keep the sentiment but tone it down somewhat < 1476001789 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, yes, I tried to put it there in such a way that it was just a plug rather than anything else :P < 1476001805 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used the wiki for several months before I noticed that there's an IRC channel < 1476001822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wasn't even an IRC user before, but I felt I needed to for nerd cred) < 1476001848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I put it there so people HAVE to see it ?>:) < 1476001852 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evlis) < 1476001880 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Colbert has a segment called "Big Furry Hat" in which he... wears a big furry hat < 1476001911 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now oerjan's filter changes are preventing me reverting you < 1476001915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he makes proclamations that are from that point onwards law (e.g. "Anyone who shoots cell phone video vertically will be fed into a woodchipper horizontally") < 1476001921 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just override the filter for a moment < 1476001922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1476001926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1476001947 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I actually started invoking the Big Furry Hat in formal mathematical proofs < 1476001949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/910]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/56]]) < 1476001955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49902&oldid=49898 5* 03Ais523 5* (-23) 10tone down the IRC plug < 1476001965 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/910]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/57]]) < 1476002005 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Strictly speaking, I'm just using it to define notation; ex. "The BHF declares that a(+)b shall henceforth be equivalent to 1/((1/a)+(1/b))") < 1476002063 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an operation that could do with a name < 1476002072 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could confuse people by calling it harmonic sum < 1476002081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, that's what I call it < 1476002087 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I just call it 'harm') < 1476002101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and (+) is ASCII for plus-sign-in-circle, just to be clear < 1476002110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summing two positive numbers normally produces something greater than both, rather than smaller than both… < 1476002158 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also declared that you can write x with an overline to indicate the 1/x, the same way -x represents 0-x < 1476002269 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was actually one of the only mathematical proofs I've done in a while; schools in the US no longer require that you can actually DEMONSTRATE that something is true, so this was just a fun game. Literally; I'm reading through Knuth's book on Surreal Numbers and proving along with it. < 1476002882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :Topical! | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1476002924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also like a name for the operation exp . abs . log < 1476002937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did we say this the other day? < 1476002946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1476002951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You < 1476002955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? Are we saying exp(abs(log(x))) < 1476002969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1476002987 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is this just e^abs(ln(x)), or can it be arbitrary k^abs(log_k(x))? < 1476003018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (exp . abs . log) [1,3,1/3] < 1476003021 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,3.0000000000000004,3.0000000000000004] < 1476003044 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will assume rounding errors < 1476003048 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 5 < 1476003051 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6094379124341003 < 1476003052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1476003067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (exp . abs . log) [1::CReal,3,1/3] < 1476003070 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,3.0,3.0] < 1476003087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.0" looks very disappointing to me as a representation of a computable real < 1476003093 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/3)::CReal < 1476003096 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333 < 1476003102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binerdy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49903&oldid=45547 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1139) 10Hello, world! < 1476003105 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess lambdabot is just approximating decimals? < 1476003113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're displayed to 40 digits. < 1476003118 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, really, I'm not sure what it's supposed to do... < 1476003120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's more, even (==) compares them to 40 digits. < 1476003136 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should see a pattern, but I don't < 1476003145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you can't necessarily determine what a given digit of a computable is, if it's exactly on the boundary < 1476003159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1476003164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does it turn every integer into itself and every reciprocal into its reciprocal? < 1476003169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's equivalent to x for x≥1, 1/x for x ≤1 < 1476003177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes < 1476003188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never seen a use, but there's probably a million of them < 1476003196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not immediately clear to me why shachaf cares about the function < 1476003202 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it isn't defined for x≤0) < 1476003232 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of it in the context of e.g. change in value. < 1476003252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced hexchat's beep and flash with just displaying the message in the corner < 1476003255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not regret this. < 1476003261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something lost 80% of its value or gained 400%, those are clearly related. < 1476003275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aaaah, that's useful < 1476003292 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I once made an experimental program that reads skype messages aloud) < 1476003312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days, just anyone is aloud to make experimental programs. < 1476003326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I bought an apple that I had high hopes for. < 1476003332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it didn't live up to them. < 1476003340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mother has purchased a mac. < 1476003346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are no longer on speaking terms. < 1476003347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mediocre Honeycrisp apple. < 1476003354 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Totally saw that coming < 1476003362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1476003370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you were talking about the fruit < 1476003377 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476003386 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a pun. I wasn't even thinking about the multinational technology company. < 1476003419 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. shachaf has transcended measurement in shagrumpies. < 1476003420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the famos lament quote "even a box of rotten apples on a string is Turing-complete" < 1476003432 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote apple < 1476003433 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1476003434 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :........wait, what? < 1476003442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rotten < 1476003442 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1476003443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that what the monad thing is a reference to? < 1476003446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dons apples < 1476003446 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :dons says: Think of a monad as a spacesuit full of nuclear waste in the ocean next to a container of apples. Now, you can't put oranges in the space suite or the nuclear waste falls in the ocean, * < 1476003446 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :but* the apples are carried around anyway, and you just take what you need. < 1476003458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1476003477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that literally true or just a joke? < 1476003481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the rules to your game written up yet? < 1476003482 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure < 1476003487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a joke < 1476003491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I'm doing so many other things < 1476003493 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose game? < 1476003495 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1476003496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1476003499 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did start writing < 1476003506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some things I want to redo and some things I'm not sure about < 1476003517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm working on CALESYTA stuff < 1476003527 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1476003535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you're in a good place when you have to start looking up academic papers < 1476003542 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the algorithms you need to implement your esolang in a reasonable time < 1476003550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there was a Magic: The Gathering-inspired programming language for the ICFP contest one year. < 1476003551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's going on? < 1476003562 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually only the name may have been inspired. < 1476003564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then I might have to write an optimizer along the lines of the PMMN optimizer I have lying around < 1476003570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that online anywhere? < 1476003577 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: http://calesyta.xyz/en < 1476003582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put that in the topic, actually < 1476003596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's big enough esolang news to be there < 1476003600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1476003607 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Topical! | http://esolangs.org/ | there is currently an esolang contest: http://calesyta.xyz/en/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1476003610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bigger news than most things that have gone in the topic in a long time. < 1476003615 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lambda:_the_Gathering < 1476003655 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once won $25000 as a direct result of a link in the topic of #esoteric < 1476003658 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :Topical! | http://esolangs.org/ | There is currently an esolang contest; Phase II complete: http://calesyta.xyz/en/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1476003670 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ? < 1476003685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Phase II of the #esoteric plan for world domination < 1476003688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's a reference to Freenode's April 1 stuff, please take it back out < 1476003691 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1476003696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it isn't... < 1476003698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that? < 1476003701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that defeats the point of the topic announcement IMO < 1476003706 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Topical! | http://esolangs.org/ | there is currently an esolang contest: http://calesyta.xyz/en/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1476003726 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh, Freenode have a competition every April 1 < 1476003731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1476003740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically a puzzle (often a cryptogram) that leads to another puzzle, etc. < 1476003744 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bunch of stages < 1476003773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally we put up a fake puzzle that isn't actually part of Freenode's in the topic < 1476003774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worded to imply that it is < 1476003775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Was that the Wolfram thing? < 1476003790 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if people are searching the channel list looking to get a head start in the puzzle by stealing someone else's solutions, they get stuck < 1476003791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1476003805 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NZT is a programming language mixing the powerful features of many modern languages with the useful and unconventional tools provided by esolangs. It is rich with powerful features, and has a defining property that all software written in it- and any and all computers running this software- comes under the Council's absolute control in 3 years." < 1476003856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( C and C++ are the programming equivalent of natural languages, rather than things like Python and Haskell's Conlanging ) < 1476003863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I once considered a programming language where the spec says that any implementation requires sending me money < 1476003870 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it isn't conformant < 1476003872 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The jury will be selected among the candidates according to an arbitrary criterion." < 1476003882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Which jury? < 1476003898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I hope it's particularly arbitrary < 1476003920 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just being random < 1476003924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the most arbitrary criterion. < 1476003926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fairly non-arbitrary as it actually makes sense < 1476003942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what, picking an arbitrary arbitrary criterion? < 1476003949 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, an arbitrary criterion? < 1476003958 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices that there's a potential risk of infinite recursion here < 1476003959 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there only be one criterion? < 1476003965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary and criterion are the names of two unrelated Haskell libraries. < 1476003977 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't choosing according to multiple criteria be a criterion in its own right? < 1476003985 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No? < 1476003993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you allow 'AND's in a single criterion < 1476003996 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be < 1476004000 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This reminds me of the game Mediocrity, where the goal is to be the most mediocre player. < 1476004007 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/any/ method you use to choose is a criterion, by definition < 1476004020 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can technically make a fully-fledged system of logic with only one axiom, by taking an existing one and combining the axioms with ∧) < 1476004021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: from Gödel, Escher, Bach? or did you see it elsewhere? < 1476004026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, was it there? < 1476004035 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: criterion is singular < 1476004037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read it in _Metamagical Themas_ < 1476004045 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1476004047 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it might be there instead < 1476004050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that criterium? < 1476004050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two books are easily confused < 1476004078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read all of either one. < 1476004083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I read most of both. < 1476004135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in a mediocrity match, you want to win the middle number of individual games to win the match. But you want to win the middle number of matches to win the tournament. And so on. < 1476004174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think players 1 and 3 have a huge advantage here < 1476004185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they have a move that's guaranteed to lose a game < 1476004188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas player 2 doesn't < 1476004196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which game? < 1476004203 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediocrity < 1476004216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've forgotten the rules for an individual game. < 1476004220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm confusing it with Undercut. < 1476004231 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pick a number, whoever picks the middle value wins < 1476004244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at all levels in Mediocrity, tiebreaks are by player numbers < 1476004266 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a limit on what numbers you can pick, integers 1≤n≤5 was the original I think < 1476004290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undercut's easily solved by game theory, anyway < 1476004294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What if a == b or somesuch? < 1476004300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: tiebreak by player number < 1476004305 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1476004313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you're trying to solve for, I guess. < 1476004317 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. player 1 chooses 1.1 to 5.1, player 2 chooses 1.2 to 5.2, player 3 chooses 1.3 to 5.3 < 1476004345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediocrity isn't solved by game theory as it's broken, the optimal move depends on alliances and the like < 1476004398 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory: Billy Joel is actually a pyromaniac and responsible for for several arsons, but nobody considers that because it would just be absurd and hilarious and anybody who suggests it gets laughed at and called an idiot. < 1476004729 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5qssyaw34uj28.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1476004915 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1476005308 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1476005828 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49904&oldid=43376 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+131) 10Example implementation is buggy. < 1476005879 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476007166 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49905&oldid=47313 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+93) 10Tasty derivatives? < 1476008156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476008163 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? delaware < 1476008164 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delaware? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476008183 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Delaware is a US state in which everybody speaks German. < 1476008186 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun: DE) < 1476008187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'delaware': Delaware is a US state in which everybody speaks German. < 1476008235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1476008261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Delaware is abbreviated as 'de'; 'de' is the language code for German (Deutsch) < 1476009245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1476009497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Treehugger14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49906&oldid=44798 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-38) 10formatting < 1476009635 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Ever heard of geo-thermal energy> < 1476009639 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*energy? < 1476009661 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the quit message. < 1476009920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Foo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49907&oldid=35508 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+10) 10reformat ugly wrapping < 1476010083 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo seems like a brainfuck derivative. < 1476010253 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and - (BF) map to +1 and -1 (Foo)... < 1476010274 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] (BF) map to ( and ) (Foo)... < 1476010359 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO's wonky, but the actual computation part's the same. < 1476010408 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Foo, destroyer of "guess what language the Hello World is in" competitions < 1476010483 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "guess what language this sentence is written in" competitions. < 1476010509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1476010528 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about the hello worlds is that in simple cases, Foo has a tendency to just print all the string literals in your program < 1476010545 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Still, it might be a good language for lyric storage. < 1476010564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most hello world programs tend to have hello world in string literals, and thus also work in Foo < 1476010593 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "stdio.h" < 1476010600 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that would do < 1476010614 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say unknown command behavior < 1476010843 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, void main() { puts("Hello world!"); } should work. < 1476011160 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476011361 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown commands are skipped < 1476011383 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this was on a golfing website, they're not going to include include files unless they absolutely have to < 1476011412 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476011645 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476012580 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1476012837 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: well, that has two instances of undefined behavior. a) void main and b) using a standard function without including the corresponding header. < 1476012879 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, two points! < 1476012952 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to find more undefined behavior... < 1476012966 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so I can get three points on the U.D. Scoreboard! < 1476012978 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe even four points! < 1476013038 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do I get more points for including the wrong header? < 1476013049 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if I include stdlib instead of stdio, is that two undefined points or just one? < 1476013071 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Maybe I could undefine the GCC version indicator define! < 1476013171 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476013196 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1476013467 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the stdlib.h header will not cause undefined behavior unless you do it inside of a declaration < 1476013522 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1476013544 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you know, you should probably be getting worried right about... < 1476013549 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks a watch. < 1476013558 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now. < 1476013580 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why... are you programming an ICBM or nuclear plant? < 1476013668 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1476013684 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking about triggering as much undefined behavior as I can find... < 1476013757 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UD is both underrated (ask any software security expert) and overrated (usually you just get a crashing program) < 1476013766 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't worried. < 1476013819 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Aw. I was hoping by triggering enough undefined behavior, a genie would come out and grant me wishes. Or I'd get a device that grants wishes. Or everybody would be turned into walking animatronic pumpkins. < 1476013831 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you include a header in the middle of a declaration you're bound to just get a compile time error anyway. < 1476013831 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of those would be fine by different degrees of "fine". < 1476013876 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but* an implementation is allowed to instead put the right identifiers in scope. < 1476014291 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that undefined behavior means the implementation can do anything. < 1476014343 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all I have to do is create lots of undefined behavior, and feed the code to lots of C compilers until one of them successfully births a friendly AI, or turns everybody into anthropomorphic cats, or something equally fun! < 1476014360 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1476014417 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may have better luck by implementing some nasty behavior. < 1476014435 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Nasty behavior? < 1476014449 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mem < 1476014456 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooo! Sounds fun! < 1476014462 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me just open up a terminal... < 1476014472 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ERROR FOURTY TWO < 1476014736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not going to test that in case I'm wrong, but wouldn't that just lead to an almost instant bus error before anything's actually overwritten? < 1476014790 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* 10New user account < 1476015137 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think so, mem being a raw memory device; I expect a crash with hopefully no permanent side effects < 1476015185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Since Linux 2.6.26, and depending on the architecture, the CON‐ FIG_STRICT_DEVMEM kernel configuration option limits the areas which can be accessed through this file. For example: on x86, RAM access is not allowed but accessing memory-mapped PCI regions is. < 1476015214 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would help < 1476015331 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to try it out either :P < 1476015389 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading seems to work in any case, dd if=/dev/mem of=mem bs=4096 count=1 < 1476015457 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there's non-zero data in there) < 1476015572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49908&oldid=49902 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+159) 10 < 1476015683 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fpulse/14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49909 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+14796) 10Created page with "'''F-PULSE''', F-Pulse is an esoteric programming language like brainfuck, buts operands separated by space. == Examples == === Hello world === PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PL..." < 1476015726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Slnetaiga14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49910 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+8) 10Created page with "Hello!:D" < 1476015865 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fpulse/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49911&oldid=49909 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+14) 10 < 1476015898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, is that just a BF substitution? < 1476015915 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to Phantom_Hoover? < 1476015920 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1476015922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. < 1476015949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it has extra commands < 1476015956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivative, then < 1476016217 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fpulse/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49912&oldid=49911 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+84) 10 < 1476016680 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476016731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fpulse/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49913&oldid=49912 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (-8) 10 < 1476016926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1476018315 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476018536 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476021464 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476022296 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476022345 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476022434 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476022437 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476022842 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476022900 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1476022901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego//HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! < 1476024894 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yay, more brainfuck derivatives < 1476024931 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :"writed on PHP" < 1476025456 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more aubergine derivatives imnsho. < 1476025716 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fpulse/14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49914&oldid=49913 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (-18) 10 < 1476026590 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476026595 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1476026709 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Szegedi Tudományegyetem (SZTE) Nagykönyvtára, which is one of the largest libraries in Hungary, got a political renaming to SZTE Klebersberg Könyvtár. That's happened in 2011 but I only just found out about it today. < 1476026744 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they need a stupid renaming to suck up to the government and get more funds, then the renaming is a fair price, sure, I'm just surprised I never noticed this till now. < 1476026812 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey < 1476026818 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason why I hadn't noticed is that I didn't look at their homepage, only the catalog http://opac2.bibl.u-szeged.hu/szteek/opac directly, and the catalog doesn't advertize the new name. < 1476026819 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1476026882 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I usually don't much like renamings because it confuses everyone, but in this case, it's a freaking huge library in Szeged, there can't be more than one of those, so it's obviously the same entity. < 1476026954 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476027158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1476027581 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1476027918 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I am at Canada < 1476027931 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia, eh! < 1476027992 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a aubergine/BF crossover? < 1476028036 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that please you as much as it pissed everyone else off? < 1476028257 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1476028279 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Trying to rework the filter again so it doesn't need disabling for ordinary edits. What was the !(user_age > 0) for, again? < 1476028280 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476028505 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476028628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah this is hard to do without adding redundancy... < 1476028696 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-189.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476028802 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-138-39.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476028850 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is xor. < 1476029146 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a most pleasing abomination :D < 1476029159 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helløœøœø¶œørjan. < 1476029166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. hitopia. < 1476029318 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476029430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes karnaugh diagram < 1476029572 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1476029674 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1476029790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1476029861 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476030737 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1476030893 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by hand, on cheap lined paper? < 1476030917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in vim < 1476030950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it only served to convince me i need to define variables for the filter conditions. < 1476030974 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who did you kill? < 1476030974 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: find me a girl had to stay with me! < 1476031015 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to believe that fungot is a human and wob_jonas is a bot < 1476031015 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: variables in different lexical scopes are merely ways to organize modules systems are either to do what? perhaps maxima... it's written by calamari < 1476031023 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thought so < 1476031108 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being sentient, but I agree with the calamaring. < 1476031108 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: take a wild guess here. the long-distance relationship is really hard to do if you are < 1476031124 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellob_jellonas, izellove. < 1476031129 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1476031142 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: fungot usually replies too fast for a human < 1476031142 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: so yea, it is < 1476031164 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles wob_jonas to make sure it's a bot < 1476031176 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: maybe you're just racing and *you* are the bot that's too fast for a human < 1476031204 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hmm... tasty squid... ) < 1476031714 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff the mediawiki filter syntax doesn't seem to allow defining condition variables < 1476032436 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476033212 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1476033240 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fff < 1476033252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476033266 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1476033481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1476033497 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie wiki bridge is down again < 1476033497 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476033619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait my edit didn't work < 1476033654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/910]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/58]]) < 1476033669 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Sorry, false alarm < 1476033669 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476033680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to test < 1476033727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1476033787 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: see Notes in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/9 hth < 1476034120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagram turned out to be helpful, even if i didn't _quite_ manage avoid repeating conditions. < 1476034126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*manage to < 1476034151 0 :Cale!~cale@75.98.19.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476034250 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing karnaugh maps is a nightmare. probably NP complete too. < 1476034288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think. < 1476034355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's better than optimizing boolean expressions _without_ having a diagram hth < 1476034629 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476034643 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1476034940 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476035461 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inode < 1476035462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inode? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476035475 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? book of infinity < 1476035475 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :book of infinity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476035478 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the book of infinity < 1476035479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book of infinity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476035483 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? infinity < 1476035484 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In finity we trust. < 1476035632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits infinity < 1476035634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie evilipse shachaf < 1476035729 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476035781 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has this nagging feeling evlipse is someone else... < 1476035815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was on that day when "everyone" changed their nicks to evil* < 1476035849 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476035882 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone (moonythedwarf_?) had invited friends from other channels. < 1476035885 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1476035905 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeffl35 came that day too, i think, and is still here. < 1476035943 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1476035956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, everyone tried (and eventually succeeded at) crashing HackEgo. < 1476035956 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i leave? < 1476035961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeffl35: surely not < 1476035968 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not me :P) < 1476035968 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1476036084 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1476036230 0 :Cale!~cale@75.98.19.132 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1476036265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 one theory we have is that the human captcha solvers can't see the old content of the page when editing through the spambot interface <-- well _my_ theory is that account creating captcha solvers and spamming bots are entirely separate from each other, and don't communicate. < 1476036266 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476036340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 so by the time actual editing is tried, the system is no longer intelligence-based. < 1476036341 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476037168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] And is this just e^abs(ln(x)), or can it be arbitrary k^abs(log_k(x))? <-- it doesn't matter as long as k is positive. < 1476037169 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476037475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 82 < 1476037476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1476037479 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1476037526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled quotes//82s/ \.\.\. /[...]/ < 1476037529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he shou < 1476037532 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 82 < 1476037534 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries.[...] pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1476037538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1476037542 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476037568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled quotes//82s/[[]/ [/ < 1476037570 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he shou < 1476037573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 82 < 1476037573 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82) Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. [...] pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor < 1476037629 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 82 | sed 's/.............//' < 1476037631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. [...] pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor laws. < 1476037673 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` allquotes | grep '[^[]\.\.\.' < 1476037674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ < 1476037707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr < 1476037711 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1476037738 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: POCKMARKED CHICKEN < 1476037970 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1476038041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :There is currently an esolang contest: http://calesyta.xyz/en/ | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1476038075 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having it after the wiki page is just asking for people to miss it i think < 1476038095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1476038398 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1476038416 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476038423 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to look at what an esolang contest actually is < 1476039075 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1476040292 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476040997 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476041077 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1476041481 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless10.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1476041533 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1476042183 0 :moony!?@? NICK :nil < 1476042206 0 :nil!?@? NICK :[-Infinity] < 1476042541 0 :encodingcollecto!~encodingc@c-73-189-255-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476042935 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476043573 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless10.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1476043737 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless10.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1476044489 0 :[-Infinity]!?@? NICK :moony < 1476045468 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1476045562 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476045569 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476046150 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless10.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1476046166 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless10.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1476046413 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476046446 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1476046462 0 :PocketKiller!PocketKill@codebottle.io/user/pocketkiller PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1476046463 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-list sandbox < 1476046463 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeffl35: pyc pad pyr giac befr padclr lolr ><>r js rsc ul < 1476046464 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1476046471 0 :jeffl35!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll leave it here < 1476046475 0 :PocketKiller!PocketKill@codebottle.io/user/pocketkiller PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is lolr < 1476046605 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1476047271 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.48.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476048451 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-trackstats < 1476048451 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently tracking 3336 hosts, representing an aproximate of %4 of freenode record users. I saw 3336 nicks. From that users, 2590 of them was ever logged in into services. < 1476048699 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily happy thanksgiving tho < 1476048699 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476048911 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyebrow < 1476049108 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476049110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1476049188 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1476049373 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eyebrow < 1476049374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyebrow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049387 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lotr < 1476049389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lotr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049394 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hobbit < 1476049395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobbit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049400 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dwarf < 1476049400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049404 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elf < 1476049405 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049406 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pe < 1476049407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049413 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? art < 1476049414 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :art? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476049420 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez < 1476049513 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1476049548 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1476049992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1476050081 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.48.181 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476050365 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1476050601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476050739 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1476050761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476050944 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature < 1476050946 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'eyebrow': Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature < 1476050961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1476050962 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1476050967 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did somebody note your eyebrows today? < 1476051002 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1476051021 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yes < 1476051032 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, it happens a lot < 1476051053 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to get her eyebrows done again < 1476051221 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I require evidence of notable eyebrows < 1476051257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Page "Taneb's Eyebrows" deleted for reason: Not Notable ) < 1476051282 0 :Mr_Robot2!~mr_robot@host212-219-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1476051290 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1476051291 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1476051309 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, they are notable enough to be mentioned in my wisdom < 1476051336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe `learn should be edited to not work if a file is already defined, with a separate command `learn-strict that will overwrite < 1476051361 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough < 1476051376 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-138-39.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1476051474 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-35-243.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476051483 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5qssyaw34uj28.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1476051521 0 :Mr_Robot2!~mr_robot@host212-219-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PART #esoteric : < 1476051584 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless10.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1476051777 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless10.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1476051837 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eyebrows" remind me of http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/438558-zak-mckracken-and-the-alien-mindbenders-atari-st-screenshot.png < 1476052628 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1476053217 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476053261 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476053297 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1476053697 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1476053941 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-35-243.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1476054052 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476054126 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476054259 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476054324 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Client Quit < 1476054412 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless10.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1476054767 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would one consider to be the most fundamental stack operations? stack shifting, rather. < 1476054774 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap, dup, rot, drop, etc. < 1476054779 0 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :push, pop < 1476054780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: pop and push < 1476054790 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I assume you accept some variables to be used < 1476054795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-proud < 1476054796 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 53m 46s ago: And is this just e^abs(ln(x)), or can it be arbitrary k^abs(log_k(x))? <-- it doesn't matter as long as k is positive. < 1476054820 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely. stack shifting operations are mainly what I was asking about. < 1476054831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: You mean like rotation where the top goes to the bottom? < 1476054836 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapping two stack items, rotating... really everything could be done in terms of pick and roll.. < 1476054859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: If you want to put values at the bottom you want a deque, not a stack < 1476054872 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.. not what I was asking. :| < 1476054874 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476054874 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476054891 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a data structure that operates like pancake stacks? i.e. additionally to push and pop you have a flip on an index < 1476054914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I don < 1476054920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I don't get what you're going for then < 1476054924 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: stack operators. dup, swap, drop rot, etc. < 1476054928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Probably just pancake stacks < 1476054934 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, that's an ADT, not a DS) < 1476054959 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a DS if you want to make it efficient < 1476054960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: You can do that with push, pop, and a few registers; not sure of any way without it < 1476054963 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if you don't know what I'm talking about... well, here's a nice documentation http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Forth_stack_operators < 1476054965 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you can, though < 1476054976 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm asking what the most "fundamental" of these would be. < 1476054990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Not sure then. What do you want to be able to define in terms of them? < 1476054998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drop is definitely one of them < 1476055000 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pick" and "roll" would be the first candidates, as you could implement the other operators in terms of them. < 1476055010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I thought 'efficient' is relative to what CAN be done < 1476055011 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from drop, which is just pop. < 1476055034 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pick and roll require an extra operand. < 1476055041 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the mathematically optimal implementation is considered 'efficient', even if it's O(n!^k) < 1476055049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's n k-factorial) < 1476055092 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess in the interest of complexity, pick and roll will be the goto. < 1476055123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure roll is only allowed for queues and deques... < 1476055137 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll is effectively an array shift to the right. < 1476055152 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, that link explains a lot. < 1476055159 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: And the thing on top moves to the bottom? < 1476055190 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, a shift to the left. those darn directions. ;) < 1476055218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I think you should use up/down for stacks; right and left aren't really meaningful < 1476055222 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476055229 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Does the bottom item move to the top? < 1476055245 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :left and right are meaningful in forth's notation. < 1476055257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. Just answer. < 1476055307 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it's more complex than just a shift... < 1476055451 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476055536 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no! it is just a shift to the left. so "1 2 3 4" roll 3 turns into "2 3 4 1". < 1476055548 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Then it isn't a stack < 1476055553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pure stack, at least < 1476055564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1476055567 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :both operators treat the stack as an array, yes. < 1476055591 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can implement other operators in terms of those, so I got to wondering if you even need pick and roll. < 1476055998 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 shachaf: what, picking an arbitrary arbitrary criterion? <-- hey that's what i did for my Malbolge Unshackled implementation < 1476055998 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476056030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1476056042 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1476056048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't you on dontaskdonttelllist? < 1476056125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :its for people who idle in the channel even when away, of which i am not. < 1476056219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you logread. < 1476056232 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sometimes the bots aren't present. < 1476056249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dontaskdonttellist was never meant for that. < 1476056272 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for people who don't like getting lambdabot @tells when they could be sent a private message instead. < 1476056281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1476056288 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1476056295 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1476056296 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot send a private message to someone who doesn't idle. < 1476056311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was about public messages. < 1476056345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i've long since forgotten to check it anyway >:) < 1476056346 0 :moony!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1476056371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1476056371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ < 1476056377 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is it rude to do that in public? < 1476056383 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xmlajivsckojifvk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1476056388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's quite old. < 1476056389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got noping < 1476056411 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :noping? < 1476056420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-ping < 1476056422 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ZWSPs in the names or something? < 1476056433 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: that or ^O's, i don't remember. < 1476056449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ^O's since shachaf didn't complain >:) < 1476056468 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you overstate how much shachaf complains. < 1476056472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even using that computer right now. < 1476056478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1476056585 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to help me come up with a ruleset for duplicate Mornington Crescent? < 1476056589 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mornington crescent < 1476056590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mornington: not found < 1476056594 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?mornington crescent < 1476056594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?mornington: not found < 1476056596 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mornington crescent < 1476056597 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornington crescent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1476056599 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always do that < 1476056627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounded like a Magic: The Gathering card. < 1476056629 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not. < 1476056648 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hdefgrswbygvpeqb JOIN :#esoteric < 1476056672 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn mornington crescent/Sorry, you cannot read this wisdom until you've legally played Westminster. < 1476056676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «mornington crescent» < 1476056683 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better than what I was going to come up with < 1476056691 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I am going to visit both of those stations tomorrow! < 1476056698 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1476056713 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@202.188.143.133 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1476056715 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Westminster to visit the palace, and Mornington Crescent for the photo op < 1476056747 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476056776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome pikhq < 1476056777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1476056931 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah, sounds fun! Holiday? < 1476056938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 (admittedly the outer level is random) < 1476056938 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1476056940 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it was < 1476056980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by general channel synchronicity, he'll be applying for a job at google. < 1476056981 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476056991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up in the office across fizzie. < 1476057050 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476057056 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476057089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read error: Connection reset by beer < 1476057113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits shachaf with a pear < 1476057194 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wrong pronoun < 1476057202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: argh < 1476057219 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fizzie at google london? < 1476057224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a hunch i should be gender neutral but did not follow it. < 1476057226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1476057230 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1476057246 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm normally not in the UK, so seems unlikely ;) < 1476057265 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Kanye West will run as a democrat or republican in 2020 < 1476057331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i should have remembered the realname, although admittedly it _is_ male in some cultures. < 1476057346 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1476057442 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1476057495 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-52-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1476057530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In the 2008 book 5-Star Baby Name Advisor, author Bruce Lansky writes that the girls name has the image of a "sexy and seductive knockout."[1]» < 1476057539 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a bizarre thing to write in a baby name book. < 1476057578 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed