00:03:02 <\oren\> wait, there are people who pronounce father with an a?
00:04:14 <\oren\> /fæðəɹ/. I can't even...
00:04:29 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: If they exist, they won't for much longer.
00:04:37 <\oren\> who the hell says fæðəɹ?
00:04:51 * boily thwacks hppavilion[1]. “don't wish unexistence upon people.”
00:05:12 <boily> hppavellon[1]. "can" is /kæn/ hth.
00:05:42 <hppavilion[1]> boily: And "can't" is [kænt], but apparently some people do it wrong
00:05:44 <boily> \oren\: that's quite unusual indeed.
00:06:34 <\oren\> I say all those words with a /æ/ except /fɑðəɹ/.
00:07:12 <wob_jonas> "can" is always with an /æ/. "can't" shoud be pronounecd with /ɑː/ but in most dialects it's pronounced to /æ/ which makes "can't" and "can" sound exactly the same in some cases depending on the word after it, such as in "can't do"
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00:07:54 <boily> what was that sound record website again?
00:08:25 <\oren\> wob_jonas: except that in 'can do' it ends up being 'kən'
00:09:43 <HackEgo> hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. No es tan cluecless.
00:09:55 <HackEgo> The 1 is just for disambiguation.
00:10:37 <oerjan> . o O ( does the "varies between /ɑː/ and /æ/" apply to both a's in "advance"? )
00:11:42 <wob_jonas> oerjan: I'm not really authority here, but I think it only applies to the second vowel, whereas the first vowel is always an unstressed schwa
00:11:52 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: And before you say it, idnm [feɪ ðəɹ] tdnh
00:12:23 <hppavilion[1]> How does one tdh/tdnh something that hasn't happened yet?
00:12:38 <boily> oerjan: /ædvn̩s/ hth.
00:13:04 <boily> hppavilion[1]: iwhonh hth
00:14:58 <boily> It Will Help Or Not Help hth
00:15:50 <oerjan> `learn Queuestack is when you're confused about whether something should be a queue or a stack, and end up with a complete mess. See https://xkcd.com/954/ .
00:15:53 <HackEgo> Learned 'queuestack': Queuestack is when you're confused about whether something should be a queue or a stack, and end up with a complete mess. See https://xkcd.com/954/ .
00:16:33 <hppavilion[1]> Maybe twhh (that would have helped) and twnhh (that would not have helped)
00:17:24 <wob_jonas> I once made a mysterious hard to debug error in a program where I wrote a buffer that was supposed to be a queue but was actually implemented as a stack, and then the error only came up in the uncommon case when the buffer had more than one element
00:19:38 <oerjan> <boily> oerjan: /ædvn̩s/ hth. <-- tdnhaa
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00:20:54 <wob_jonas> oerjan: well, maybe it's stressed on the first syllable when it's an adjective but on the second syllable when it's a verb? how could I know. stranger things have happened in English.
00:24:19 <oerjan> wob_jonas: i don't recall that for this word.
00:25:21 <fungot> boily: yeah. i've seen him do all kinds of problems.
00:25:23 <wob_jonas> yes, my dictionary says it's always stressed on the second syllable
00:25:49 <wob_jonas> although it only mentions the verb and the noun, not the adjective
00:26:08 <wob_jonas> ah, it does mention the adjective, in the noun heading
00:34:12 <HackEgo> string diagrams? ¯\(°_o)/¯
00:34:52 <oerjan> `le/rn String diagram/String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions.
00:34:54 <HackEgo> Learned 'string diagram': String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions.
00:35:09 <oerjan> `le/rn String diagram/String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions. Taneb invented them anyhow.
00:35:11 <HackEgo> Relearned 'string diagram': String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions. Taneb invented them anyhow.
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00:37:58 <boily> good to see Taneb is as prolific as ever.
00:40:12 <shachaf> oerjan: remember the dark ages before `le/rn? hth
00:41:05 <boily> `` ls wisdom/*brow*
00:41:07 <HackEgo> wisdom/browser \ wisdom/eyebrow
00:41:12 <HackEgo> Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature.
00:43:15 <shachaf> are Taneb's eyebrows knottable?
00:43:38 <oerjan> shachaf: we had to write wisdoms while walking through 7 feet of snow. upwards both ways!
00:44:28 <oerjan> Taneb: have you tried an eyebrow afro twh
00:44:37 <boily> `learn Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature. Their knots can walk uphill through seven feet of snow.
00:44:41 <HackEgo> Relearned 'eyebrow': Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature. Their knots can walk uphill through seven feet of snow.
00:45:06 <shachaf> boily: that makes no sense tdnh
00:46:47 <oerjan> it's knot a very good pun.
00:47:11 <boily> I just understood the palm.
00:47:58 * boily thwackthwackthwack shachaf. 0.76 Sh.
00:48:18 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
00:48:53 <HackEgo> 2016-10-25 <shachäf> revert \ 2016-10-25 <boil̈y> learn Eyebrows are Taneb\'s most notable feature. Their knots can walk uphill through seven feet of snow. \ 2016-10-25 <oerjän> le/rn String diagram/String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they\'re unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions. Taneb invented them anyh
00:49:31 <oerjan> Gregor doesn't seem to have applied the `revert patch yet.
00:50:03 <oerjan> shachaf: i don't think the current state of `canary is relevant to that bug.
00:50:22 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: canary: not found
00:50:31 <HackEgo> ./canary: line 1: EEP: command not found
00:50:34 <oerjan> it's a file that was created long ago, inside the .hg directory.
00:50:53 <shachaf> HackEgo is messing up my terminal
00:51:08 <oerjan> probably as a consequence of the _other_ bugs fizzie was fixing in the same patch.
00:51:09 <shachaf> How about a patch that uses instead of a zero-width space at the beginning of a line?
00:51:43 <oerjan> that might indeed help.
00:52:05 <oerjan> since it's not about nickpinging, the problems with ^O don't apply there.
00:52:36 <oerjan> @you're not reacting to this, are you?
00:52:47 <hppavilion[1]> "Find an algorithm that takes arbitrary love polyhedra and checks for resolutions"
00:53:19 <fizzie> oerjan: Yeah, my pull request is still open.
00:54:26 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: hm what's a resolution? what prevents the obvious "everyone just join together" solution?
00:54:58 <oerjan> in other words, there needs to be disallowed pairs. or polytopes.
00:55:10 <boily> there's a solution iff there's a Hamiltonian path.
00:55:34 <oerjan> boily: that would be an interesting sexual more...
00:56:40 <hppavilion[1]> A resolution (under a certain set of constraints; other constraints are perfectly valid) is a way of choosing pairs (a, b) from the digraph where a -> b AND b -> a, where each can only be used once out of all the pairs
00:57:10 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: that doesn't sound very sensitive to polyamorists tdnh
00:57:23 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That's the other possible constraints which are perfectly valid
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00:57:48 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: But this is TV and movies, where polyamory is only for comedy or porn
00:58:16 <shachaf> oerjan: i seem to remember that you were being similarly insensitive in here a while ago hth
00:58:34 <shachaf> or were you? maybe you were just saying that it was weird, and also a berkeley thing
00:58:43 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: wait, this is a digraph? i was assuming you were at _least_ not assuming heteronormality or else it makes no sense to ... argh
00:59:28 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Genders of people on the graph are irrelevant; it's assumed that somebody who is gay never has an arrow to the opposite sex
00:59:34 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: digraph implies that the nodes are divided into two groups.
00:59:47 <oerjan> with no internal edges in the group.
01:00:01 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Digraphs edges can be reciprocal, can't they?
01:00:33 <fizzie> There's sort of two related bugs when it comes to the `revert cleanup thing; one is that it doesn't expect directories, and the other is that it descends down to the .hg directory.
01:00:37 <fizzie> Fortunately they sort-of partially cancel out, in that the only files with a ".orig" suffix in .hg can be directories (normal files get a .i suffix), and those won't get removed because they are directories.
01:01:05 <hppavilion[1]> The graph of people is genderless with an arrow a -> b iff a would be satisfied in a relationship with b
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01:01:19 <moony> `` ./canary canary
01:01:19 <HackEgo> âELF............>.....'@.....@.......Ã..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....ø.......ø................. ...8......8@.....8@............................................@.......@.....½......½........ ............à½......à½`.....à½`.....¼ ......°........ ...........ø½......ø½`.....ø½`.....à.......à.............. ..
01:01:45 <HackEgo> \ canary: file format elf64-x86-64 \ \ \ Disassembly of section .init: \ \ 00000000004016f8 <.init>: \ 4016f8:48 83 ec 08 sub $0x8,%rsp \ 4016fc:e8 43 10 00 00 callq 402744 <__sprintf_chk@plt+0xbf4> \ 401701:48 83 c4 08 add $0x8,%rsp \ 401705:c3 retq \ \ Disassembly of
01:01:49 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: There's no rules for which a and b can have a -> b, except that a ≠ b
01:02:16 <ais523> `` objdump -d canary | paste
01:02:19 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.28713
01:02:31 <oerjan> sorry, i'm mixing up the meaning of digraph and bigraph again. wtf did they have to choose that abbreviation...
01:02:35 * moony had a ruined uffer
01:03:07 <hppavilion[1]> The optimality of a resolution R- represented as the set of disjoint {a, b} sets- is (by this definition, at least) |P|-2|R|, where P is the set of all people in the graph
01:03:09 <moony> how do i hardclean a weechat buffer? mine has artifacts all over
01:03:11 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
01:03:21 <moony> `` objdump -d canary | pase
01:03:22 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: pase: command not found
01:03:24 <moony> `` objdump -d canary | paste
01:03:27 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.9031
01:03:34 <shachaf> Are you modifying HackEgo in /msg again?
01:03:41 <shachaf> I think you've been requested not to do that.
01:03:47 <ais523> oh, I see, it has no debug symbols, so it's measuring everything relative to sprintf
01:03:47 <hppavilion[1]> (the worst possible resolution is always {}, the best possible resolution is where a happy relationship can be found for ALL people)
01:03:58 <ais523> which is the nearest thing it knows the address of
01:05:18 <ais523> you know, I have the suspicion that the canary is a copy of a standard, maybe GNU, executable
01:05:19 <HackEgo> cat (GNU coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>. \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Torbjörn Granlund and Richard M. Stallman.
01:05:30 <ais523> well, I think that settles it :-P
01:05:33 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: For polyamory, it depends on the exact properties of polyamory in this consideration, which decides how to model it (some scenarios require hyperdigraphs)
01:05:33 <HackEgo> Usage: ./canary [OPTION]... [FILE]... \ Concatenate FILE(s), or standard input, to standard output. \ \ -A, --show-all equivalent to -vET \ -b, --number-nonblank number nonempty output lines, overrides -n \ -e equivalent to -vE \ -E, --show-ends display $ at end of each line \ -n, --number
01:05:42 <shachaf> Can you take all this bot spam somewhere else?
01:05:44 <fizzie> ais523: "<moony> ` cp /bin/cat canary" settled it pretty well already.
01:06:06 <ais523> fizzie: well yes, but that's boring, I realised I could figure it out via checking the history
01:06:09 <ais523> but reverse engineering is more fun
01:06:40 <jeffl35> shachaf: how does it mess up your term, anyways?
01:07:19 <fungot> boily: on that darthmouth page: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ fnord
01:07:35 <fizzie> Fun fact: HackEgo repo has bloated to 700 megs already.
01:08:39 <hppavilion[1]> But really, how DOES polyamory work? Obviously there are exceptions, but it's one of (1) everybody in the relationship must reciprocally like everyone else (2) everybody in the relationship must note hate everyone else (which requires labeling edges) or (3) everybody has one or more sets of possible compatibility, which is the most complicated
01:08:44 <ais523> well people do silly things like downloading large files into it
01:09:01 <fizzie> Yes, I was including history.
01:09:08 <HackEgo> 74476paste \ 54456share \ 37456src \ 30280interps \ 18036bin \ 10316lib \ 10244factor \ 5264wisdom \ 1676ply-3.8 \ 1444wdiff-latest.tar.gz \ 460wisdom.pdf \ 172ibin \ 152quotes \ 80tmflry \ 52hw \ 52canary \ 44emoticons \ 32quines \ 24good \ 24esobible \ 20tmp \ 20out \ 12misle \ 12etc \ 8le \ 8evil \ 4karma \ 4cdescs
01:09:24 <boily> is there a “git gc” for mercurial?
01:09:39 <hppavilion[1]> With (3), you get things like "I'd do it with A and B, and I'd do it with C and D, and with A and D or A and C, but I wouldn't with B and C or B and D"
01:10:42 <fizzie> There's a bunch of ten-megabyte pastes.
01:10:49 <ais523> real-life relationships are much more complicated because "I don't know whether a relationship with A would work out or not" is not only a compatibility that exists, but the most common
01:11:16 <ais523> hmm, are there any infinitely large webpages?
01:11:20 <ais523> there's got to be one by now, surely
01:11:22 * boily votes for [X] EXPUNGE ALL THE LARGE FILES!!!
01:11:29 <ais523> (I don't think anything in the HTTP protocol requires a web page to be finitely large)
01:11:54 <imode> so, I've created a static mirror of the c2 wiki.
01:12:01 <imode> because ward cunningham is hell-bent on ruining it.
01:12:21 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: making an HTTP request to it causes the read half of the resulting socket to allow arbitrarily many bytes to be read from it
01:12:31 <boily> imhellode. who's ward cunningham?
01:12:42 <imode> boily: guy who made the first wiki.
01:13:21 <HackEgo> 2016-10-25 <moon̈y> ` cp /bin/cat canary \ 2016-10-15 <oerjän> mk canary//EEP \ 2016-10-05 <moonythedwar̈f> ` mv ls canary \ 2016-09-26 <oerjän> revert \ 2016-09-26 <oerjän> sled canary//crabbit \ 2016-09-25 <fizzïe> revert 942e964c81c1 \ 2016-09-25 <evilips̈e> ` chmod 777 / -R \ 2016-08-02 <int-̈e> ` echo -n ribbit > canary \ 2016-06-0
01:13:25 <fizzie> ais523: There's any number of things that just stream infinitely as a response of a GET request.
01:13:53 <hppavilion[1]> I feel like it's probably a law of compression algorithms that "if it's possible to make a file [series of bytes] the algorithm won't accept, you're doing it wrong"
01:14:09 <shachaf> ais523: What if it's a web page with infinite scroll that makes repeated small HTTP requests?
01:14:12 <fizzie> Including internet radio stations and such.
01:14:50 <ais523> shachaf: I'm still disappointed at the existence of AJAX, so prefer to not have to worry about its existence
01:14:51 <boily> shachaf: there was that ASCII horse page with infinite legs. can't find it :/
01:15:06 <shachaf> ais523: Oh, what alternative would you prefer?
01:15:19 <boily> FOUND! http://endless.horse/
01:15:26 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: And I assume you also exclude finite pages containing client-side scripting?
01:15:29 <ais523> shachaf: depends on what it's used for
01:15:35 <ais523> server-side HTML tree diffing would be nice
01:15:40 <imode> endless horse. lmao.
01:15:49 <ais523> as in, you make an HTTP request and say "I already have page X", and the server just sends a diff
01:16:36 <ais523> this would work for most uses of AJAX, but probably not all
01:16:47 <ais523> and have the advantage that the resulting page could be linked to and navigated through correctly
01:17:47 <boily> hppavilion[1]: eh?
01:18:15 <fizzie> boily: Referring to http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/progress is my guess.
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01:20:22 <fizzie> boily: As for the "git gc" equiv, I don't think so -- AIUI, Mercurial uses a per-file revlog, with no concept of Git-style packfiles.
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01:21:30 <boily> I won't. horses taste good.
01:21:40 <imode> I think I took gitlab down.
01:23:51 <oerjan> moony: it was a symbolic link to the top canary, but with you making that binary that means `wisdom could spam binary content.
01:23:58 <imode> so, okay, gitlab is spitting 500 and 502s.
01:25:00 <fizzie> Other fun facts: the most common paste is the empty paste (57 copies), while the second most common one is the paste with a single newline (32 copies).
01:25:38 <moony> `` echo "" | paste | echo "adding another one, one paste at a time"
01:25:40 <HackEgo> close failed in file object destructor: \ sys.excepthook is missing \ lost sys.stderr \ adding another one, one paste at a time
01:25:52 <shachaf> `` cd paste; du -s * | sort -rn
01:25:53 <HackEgo> 10240paste.27157 \ 10240paste.25139 \ 10240paste.2340 \ 10240paste.12841 \ 7412paste.30692 \ 4480paste.25872 \ 4480paste.16755 \ 1656paste.23201 \ 1388paste.30459 \ 668paste.14295 \ 448paste.9031 \ 448paste.28713 \ 368paste.12143 \ 336paste.29272 \ 160paste.32496 \ 160paste.13075 \ 156paste.8487 \ 156paste.6655 \ 152paste.7340 \
01:26:09 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste
01:26:26 <tswett> fizzie: what's the most common paste that's not entirely whitespace?
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01:27:02 <HackEgo> 2016-09-25 <fizzïe> revert 942e964c81c1 \ 2016-09-25 <evilips̈e> ` chmod 777 / -R \ 2014-03-16 <oerjän> revert \ 2014-03-16 <ellioẗt> revert 1 \ 2013-02-13 <ais52̈3> revert 87c64ef250a0 \ 2013-02-13 <ais52̈3> revert 3 \ 2013-01-24 <shachäf> for f in wisdom/*; do [ "$f" == "ngevd" ] && continue; echo "$f:"; cat "$f"; echo ---; done | past
01:27:42 <shachaf> fizzie is in the pocket of BIG DATA
01:27:54 <fizzie> tswett: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.21657 of all things. Though there's only six of them.
01:28:12 <otherbot> /bin/bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
01:28:12 <otherbot> /bin/bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
01:28:16 <HackEgo> bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wdiff-latest.tar.gz \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
01:28:38 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: moony is continuously bribed by the company that manufactures pockets for clothes
01:28:46 <fizzie> That's a pretty weird command line, given those contents.
01:29:01 <shachaf> That's just the command line of the latest command.
01:29:16 <fizzie> I've been confused by that before.
01:29:30 <shachaf> I was confused by it a minute ago.
01:29:33 <shachaf> And also many times in the past.
01:30:02 <moony> hppavilion[1]: thats not me, the person you are looking for is 'pocketkillee'
01:30:05 <tswett> fizzie: the most common paste contains 300 lines of logs of #esoteric from 2011?
01:30:19 <fizzie> tswett: It's the output of "pastelogs itidus".
01:30:28 <fizzie> I guess six times people have wanted that.
01:30:42 <HackEgo> Thanks, file log. Thile log.
01:30:57 <tswett> Can I just do `pastelogs on any arbitrary person?
01:31:12 <shachaf> No, you can't do it on shachaf or Jafet
01:31:18 <fizzie> You used to be able to do `pastelogs of any arbitrary string.
01:31:32 <fizzie> Nowadays you can't do `pastelogs of anything, or at least in a useful way.
01:31:41 <fizzie> Because HackEgo doesn't have a copy of the logs any more.
01:32:00 <shachaf> But it still has a copy of the howgs and the dowgs
01:32:11 <fungot> >2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2]
01:32:45 <moony> -exec echo "\`echo might want to fix"
01:32:47 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: No, just my port is.
01:32:56 <fungot> Thanks, fungot. Thungot.
01:32:56 <HackEgo> cat: thanks: No such file or directory
01:33:05 <fizzie> You may find HackEgo's version more readable, sure.
01:33:20 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_.";
01:33:33 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: Seriously, though, what did you expect from "| cat"?
01:33:40 <moony> you ruined my terminal
01:33:54 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: ...I wanted to pipe which into cat so it would show me the contents?
01:34:22 <hppavilion[1]> I thought which <file> would return the name, and pipe it to cat so it would print the contents of the file with that name
01:34:23 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: That would have been cat $(which thanks) or equiv.
01:34:35 <fizzie> If you pipe a file name into cat, you get the file name back out.
01:34:37 <HackEgo> cat: $(which thanks): No such file or directory
01:34:42 <HackEgo> cat: /hackenv/bin/thanks: No such file or directory
01:34:48 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_.";
01:34:50 <fizzie> More generally, if you pipe anything into cat with no arguments, you get the same thing out.
01:34:58 <HackEgo> Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
01:35:08 <HackEgo> 2016-09-25 <fizzïe> revert 942e964c81c1 \ 2016-09-25 <evilips̈e> ` chmod 777 / -R \ 2015-08-13 <int-̈e> revert accbc9c5c7ec \ 2015-08-12 <ais52̈3> echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ 2014-03-16 <oerjän> revert \ 2014-03-16 <ellioẗt> revert 1 \ 2013-08-29 <Rouj̈o> echo Cats are cool, but should be illegal. > wisdom/cat
01:35:08 <moony> hppavilion[1]: see 'echo "hello world" | cat'
01:35:52 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cwt: not found
01:35:55 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wat: not found
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01:37:38 <fizzie> I like the diaeresis in "int-̈e".
01:37:45 <fizzie> It's like a tiny face.
01:38:00 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, apparently zzyzx is /ˈzaɪzᵻks/, not /zə.zəks/ as I pronounced it
01:39:06 <fizzie> That's what it's supposed to do, I think.
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01:40:24 <fizzie> https://zem.fi/tmp/ee.png
01:41:28 <moony> fizzie: pls use æ like a proper unicode maniac, not 'ae'
01:41:29 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, in Consolas the diaeresis combines with the e
01:42:38 <shachaf> I don't think it's a property of the font.
01:42:41 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: That's weird. The combining characters are supposed to combine with the thing they follow.
01:42:51 <HackEgo> [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E]
01:43:07 <HackEgo> [U+03BB GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA]
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01:43:47 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: Maybe it combines with the - but is just badly misplaced. I think I've seen rather off ¨s.
01:44:48 <moony> •[———]• ~~(I'm a robot)
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01:48:25 <boily> int-̈e combines badly for me :/
01:49:47 <moony> boily: what did you do :P
01:49:48 <boily> part :|, part :/, part three-dimensional mouth.
01:49:51 <fizzie> It's not too good on this Android I just switched to. It's somewhere halfway between the t and the -.
01:50:32 <boily> moony: absolutely nothing. *whistles innocently*
01:51:11 <oerjan> <moony> you ruined my terminal <-- you have the same crap terminal as shachaf?
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01:53:50 <shachaf> all terminals are isomorphic
01:53:56 <shachaf> it's a universal property hth
01:57:34 <oerjan> shachaf: i think the universal property is that no matter how you try to prevent nick pinging, there'll be someone in this channel that sees it completely messed up.
01:57:55 <oerjan> (or gets pinged anyway)
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02:06:25 <oerjan> `` allquotes | tail -n 1
02:06:26 <HackEgo> 1294) <hppavilion[1]> I have just learned about "SMASH FACE ON KEYBOARD; POST RESULTS". --- quit: hppavilion[1] (Quit: Leaving) --- join: hppavilion[1] [...] joined #esoteric <hppavilion[1]> ...that was the result, apparently <hppavilion[1]> Dammit, f4
02:06:46 <oerjan> `addquote <Taneb> I once forgot what bin men were called <Taneb> Doing roughly 50% of a computer science degree, the only term I could think of was "garbage collector"
02:06:48 <HackEgo> 1295) <Taneb> I once forgot what bin men were called <Taneb> Doing roughly 50% of a computer science degree, the only term I could think of was "garbage collector"
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02:07:49 <oerjan> `addquote <Taneb> I once forgot what bin men were called <Taneb> Doing roughly 50% of a computer science degree, the only term I could think of was "garbage collector"
02:07:51 <HackEgo> 1295) <Taneb> I once forgot what bin men were called <Taneb> Doing roughly 50% of a computer science degree, the only term I could think of was "garbage collector"
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02:30:41 <hppavilion[1]> English should replace upper/lower case with a bi-infinite hierarchy of cases
02:30:47 <oerjan> `learn Murphy's law obviously does not hold in wisdom/
02:30:49 <HackEgo> Learned 'murphy'': Murphy's law obviously does not hold in wisdom/
02:31:40 <hppavilion[1]> "that's in the lower upper upper lower upper upper upper case"
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02:35:33 <oerjan> `le/rn case/English has two cases, upper and lower. Upper case agrees with the verb in person and number.
02:35:35 <HackEgo> Learned 'case': English has two cases, upper and lower. Upper case agrees with the verb in person and number.
02:36:16 * oerjan suddenly feels sort of predictable
02:39:28 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, there's grammatical number, but I've never heard of grammatical ordinal...
02:42:02 <hppavilion[1]> "George washington was the presidenteb (initial)", "Barack Obama is the president (midrange)", "Whoever gets the most votes will be the Presidentif (terminal president)"
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04:07:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50038&oldid=49947 * Quintopia * (+0) /* ResPlicate */
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05:13:10 <HackEgo> Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume.
05:20:25 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] if you could convert efficiently from the prime factorization of a number to the prime factorization of its successor, then you could efficiently factorize any number. (you can recurse from n to floor(n/2).)
05:24:24 <HackEgo> Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people.
05:27:03 <izalove> @tell hppavilion[1] no prime divides x and x+1
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05:41:00 <hppavilion[1]> The music is an actual tune: http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/xkcd_389.mp3
05:42:10 <izalove> isn't 389 like a decade old?
05:46:47 <hppavilion[1]> (Strangely, the '0' isn't there in '02' in the official date)
05:51:06 <FaerieFly> hppavilion[1]: hmm, that arrangement of it reminds me a bit of Robo's theme though
05:51:11 <FaerieFly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmY2wf7T428 ~
05:54:01 <FaerieFly> oerjan: makes me wonder about splay trees
06:11:59 <pecan> :D ~ cosplay trees
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06:29:29 <hppavilion[1]> FaerieFly: splay is when you try to look like someone uninteresting so as not to stand out hth
06:30:06 <HackEgo> Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume.
06:33:39 <hppavilion[1]> I haven't in a while and it's starting to build up (I occasionally open it, but ever since I discovered I can use hangouts.google.com to use Hangouts I haven't needed to keep it open)
06:34:10 <Cale> http://www.webdelsol.com/marcus/acct.htm
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06:41:10 <Cale> https://www.scribd.com/doc/97124232/Marcus-Ben-The-Age-of-Wire-and-String this book has some amazing definitions :)
06:43:15 <HackEgo> flu shots are usually available from some time in the first half of November
06:43:34 <oerjan> `slwd flu shot//s/$/./;s/f/F/
06:43:37 <HackEgo> wisdom/flu shot//Flu shots are usually available from some time in the first half of November.
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07:45:02 <hppavilion[1]> I don't think I've ever seen The Fifth Element. What WAS the fifth element?
07:45:52 <imode> I have made gitlab incredibly confused.
07:47:32 <imode> my pages:deploy job keeps restarting every hour regardless of it being finished or not.
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09:01:54 <hppavilion[1]> http://www.tor.com/2010/08/05/divided-by-infinity/ is fun
09:02:15 <hppavilion[1]> And to figure out whether it's true, all I need do is wait
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09:21:21 <hppavilion[1]> What's an example of a set (that can be comprehended by a mere mortal) larger than the reals?
09:23:18 <hppavilion[1]> Does http://xkcd.com/827/ look weird to anyone else?
09:24:01 <myname> yeah, got that now, too
09:26:14 <hppavilion[1]> myname: You map points in the block [0..1]+[0..1]i to [0..1] with a Hilbert curve (giving you the real part) and then spiral it around (so 0 is the (0, 0) (1, 1) block, 1 is the (0, 0) (-1, 1) block, 2 is the (0, 0) (-1, -1) block, 3 is the (0, 0) (1, -1) block, 4 is the (1, 0) (2, -1) block, etc.) to get the integral part
09:27:54 <myname> hppavilion[1]: you do know P(M)?
09:28:01 <myname> the set of all subsets
09:29:00 <myname> the power set of the naturals is uncountable and should be isomorphic to R
09:29:38 <hppavilion[1]> That feels like one of the things that should be countable for no apparent reason...
09:29:52 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, you'd need infinitely many dimensions for it to work
09:30:28 <myname> P(M) is always 2^|M| big
09:30:36 <shachaf> It is easy to diagonalize P(N)
09:31:19 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Wait, is diagonalization where we disprove or we do prove?
09:33:44 <hppavilion[1]> ...Oh, and I of course see how 2^R is isomorphic to the set of predicates over the reals- any predicate p over S (of type S -> TF) can give two outputs to a p(s); if any combination of outputs is possible, that means a predicate can just be represented as the set of its TRUE values (or of its FALSE values)
09:34:20 <hppavilion[1]> Which can be any subset of R, and it's FALSE (or- if you use the set of FALSEities- TRUE) on the complement
09:35:28 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Would {-1, 0, 1}^R (or any other set, for that matter) happen to be isomorphic to 2^R?
09:36:47 <hppavilion[1]> Oooh, a good way to write power set of S might be S!; while it isn't strictly the same (as power set must include {}), the analogy holds for a bit, it's intuitively similar, and I don't think factorial of a set has any better definition
09:39:18 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, if you have lists as well then S! could actually be the permutations of S, I guess
09:42:03 <myname> permutations of a set are the set
09:48:36 <hppavilion[1]> myname: If you can have ordered sequences, S! = {permutations of S in list form} is a nice definition, or at least a handy shorthand from a programming standpoint
09:48:50 <myname> it's still not even close to being the same as the power set
09:49:14 <myname> well yeah, you oractically never need it, though
09:50:07 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Using S! for permutations is a completely different definition of S! for power sets
10:12:31 <oerjan> pretty sure the set of permutations of an infinite set has the same size as its power set, assuming AoC.
10:13:00 <oerjan> (where a permutation is a self-bijection)
10:22:09 <int-e> I wonder what a GG movie would be like.
10:22:28 <oerjan> i got stuck reading the archives again
10:22:39 <int-e> So you're missing out on the current action?
10:22:55 <oerjan> no, that's were it started
10:23:20 <oerjan> i somehow got suspicious whether they'd been consistent about which arm Dimo lost
10:23:32 <int-e> Oh are you looking for a connection between the Geisterdamen and Skifander?
10:23:34 <oerjan> so i went back to the Sturmhalten arc
10:23:45 <int-e> Oh, even more mundane than that...
10:24:10 <oerjan> int-e: well that's a given too, but the only thing i can think of is that portal/door zeetha mentioned once
10:24:36 <int-e> But I would *expect* them to be consistent about that actually. I didn't ask the question though.
10:24:50 <oerjan> of course they may simply have been told about it by Lucretia, who probably accompanied the heterodyne brothers there
10:25:20 <int-e> (Unless there's people-mirroring teleportation involved in the story :-P)
10:26:13 <int-e> (It's really an underappreciated problem of teleportation, imho... how do you know that you've put things together in the right orientation?)
10:26:47 <oerjan> CT symmetry breaking hth
10:29:08 <int-e> . o O ( What if the symmetry isn't broken but determined by the prevalence of matter vs. anti-matter? )
10:29:40 <int-e> But I meant as a plot device in stories.
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10:38:17 <oerjan> hm two far apart civilizations that communicate via teleportation devices. but the first time they meet by normal traveling means, gamma ray explosion ensues...
10:43:35 <hppavilion[1]> Is there a commonly-cited English minimal pair for [ɪ] vs. [ɛ]?
10:44:17 <FaerieFly> I read GG until I caught up with present time, then sort of stopped following it
10:44:21 <hppavilion[1]> And that even *I* couldn't reliably produce the distinction in any other language
10:44:53 <FaerieFly> that would've been somewhere around when they were having issues with trains
10:45:22 <hppavilion[1]> In my current conlang, all vowels have three forms in writing- upper case, lower case, and super case (diacritical)
10:45:33 <FaerieFly> But honestly I should probably reread the whole thing since I've forgotten parts of the story and most of the characters by now
10:45:55 <LKoen> what's your first language?
10:46:21 <LKoen> in French, I wouldn't even think about confusing [ɪ] and [ɛ]
10:46:40 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: I wouldn't either because they *ARE* distinct in english
10:47:27 <LKoen> I mean no frenchman would say [ɪ] and [ɛ] are *very* similar sounds
10:47:55 <FaerieFly> Yeah, I'd also call them completely different
10:48:00 <LKoen> we even got the accentuated letter é to denote [ɛ]
10:48:08 <hppavilion[1]> But they're so similar that if you don't just handle it automatically subconsciously (e.g. when learning a language), you could trip up constantly
10:48:20 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: You can make them both without moving your mouth in the slightest
10:48:32 <LKoen> my tongue moves, though
10:48:55 <LKoen> I hear the Greeks pronounce all their vowels [ɪ] nowadays
10:49:22 <FaerieFly> LKoen: that's funny since Swedish uses é exclusively to denote [eː] in cases where it'd otherwise be [ɛ]
10:49:33 <hppavilion[1]> And since it's obviously not voicing, that means that the difference between the two is just frequency produced by your vocal cords
10:49:42 * LKoen actually doesn't know the phonetic alphabet
10:50:56 <hppavilion[1]> (In my language, dipthong between two sound s and t is represented by the symbol for s (upper or lower case, as is appropriate for the context) with the diacritical form of t combining with it))
10:51:13 <shachaf> I know the NATO phonetic alphabet. Does that count?
10:51:28 <FaerieFly> oh, I don't know french, but looking up examples for the two, [e] is the one in "beauté" and [ɛ] the one in "bête" apparently
10:51:41 <FaerieFly> so I guess your é and our é might coincide
10:52:03 <LKoen> sorry, I was confused by "better"
10:52:16 <shachaf> FaerieFly: what's spooky about faeries twh
10:52:23 <LKoen> yeah, so é is [e] and è is [ɛ]
10:52:50 <FaerieFly> shachaf: well there are some mischievous sprites
10:53:06 <hppavilion[1]> Looks like wiki's french IPA table isn't very good
10:53:29 <LKoen> when I had ancient greek in middle school they used to tell us that êta was è and epsilon was é
10:53:33 <FaerieFly> I was reading the Wikipedia article on where Halloween came from and saw " Like Beltane/Calan Mai, it was seen as a liminal time, when the boundary between this world and the Otherworld thinned. This meant the Aos Sí (pronounced ees shee), the 'spirits' or 'fairies', could more easily come into our world and were particularly active."
10:53:41 <FaerieFly> and thought that, hey, faerie is a cute word
10:54:16 <LKoen> is there a difference between "fairy" and "faerie" in english?
10:54:28 <FaerieFly> I think faerie is just an archaic spelling
10:54:30 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: And [ɪ] is... well, if you recognize german "bitte" it's the 'i'
10:54:41 <LKoen> yup we got the letter i for that sound hppavilion[1]
10:54:55 <fizzie> LKoen: I've been assuming it's the same difference as between dwarfs and dwarves, and elfs and elves.
10:54:55 <LKoen> in fact it's pretty much the only letter in french which has only one possible pronunciation
10:54:57 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: We have the letter I for that sound and a million others :P
10:55:10 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: faerie is the old fashioned way to spell it- probably should be færies- that nobody uses
10:55:22 <hppavilion[1]> But that is so archaic that when I first saw it I thought I was supposed to pronounce it differently
10:55:32 <FaerieFly> hppavilion[1]: I think most indoeuropean languages that use the latin alphabet use 'i' for that, except english which seems to mainly use 'e' for it
10:55:32 <LKoen> and a ferry is a boat
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10:55:53 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: I feel like we should just universally declare that any noun ending in 'f' can be properly pluralized with 'ves'
10:55:57 <LKoen> or i followed by a double consonant
10:56:25 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: I forget, does french have a dual in number?
10:56:25 <LKoen> she eats shoots and leaves
10:56:38 <LKoen> what the heck is a dual in number?
10:57:03 <LKoen> we got ordinals and cardinals?
10:57:16 <LKoen> we got singular and plural
10:57:20 <LKoen> plural means more than one
10:57:21 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: Basically, does French have a different inflection to say '2 x' the same way as you distinguish '1 x' and 'several x'
10:57:24 <fizzie> "It may be observed that in this book -- the form dwarves is used, although the dictionaries tell us that the plural of dwarf is dwarfs. It should be dwarrows (or dwerrows), if singular and plural had each gone its own way down the years, as have man and men or goose and geese. But we no longer speak of a dwarf as often as we do of a man, or even of a goose, and memories have not been fresh ...
10:57:30 <fizzie> ... enough among Men to keep hold of a special plural for a race now abandoned to folk-tales, where at least a shadow of truth is preserved, or at last to nonsense-stories in which they have become mere figures of fun. But in the Third Age something of their old character and power is still glimpsed, if already a little dimmed: these are the descendants of the Naugrim of the Elder Days, in ...
10:57:36 <fizzie> ... whose hearts still burns the ancient fire of Aulë the Smith, and the embers smoulder of their long grudge against the Elves; and in whose hands still lives the skill in works of stone that none have surpassed."
10:58:14 <LKoen> hppavilion[1]: for instance in english you'd say "I'm the fastest man alive" but "I'm the faster of us two" whereas in french the two would use the same word
10:58:23 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: I've heard that Tolkein didn't know about Dwerrows when he wrote LotR and later found out and was sad
10:58:26 <LKoen> because we don't make any difference between two and many
10:58:51 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: But, as I was told, french does treat 0 as singular
10:59:12 <hppavilion[1]> (so you say- englishified- "I have no cow" rather than "I have no cows")
10:59:24 <FaerieFly> Swedish doesn't have a dual number either, but IIRC some words sort of remain with traces of a dual number, but I'm blanking on any right now (apart from 'both' if that counts, but that's a bit silly)
10:59:49 <FaerieFly> I feel like I should know my own language, but..
11:00:09 <LKoen> I think the only way you can be *forced* to use singular is with the word "aucun", which is literally the same as german "kein" and means "not one"
11:00:12 <hppavilion[1]> My conlang has singular, dual, many, plural (dual | many), and none.
11:00:35 <hppavilion[1]> So there's a way of inflecting that's equivalent to saying "cow(s)" in english
11:00:52 <FaerieFly> the comment was about the use of the word "bägge".. if you refer to two things, you say "bägge två", whereas for three or more it would be "alla tre", "alla fyra", etc
11:00:56 <hppavilion[1]> I seem to be taking a lot of Latin and Spanish into it as well, where -o applied to a verb means that you do it
11:01:23 <Taneb> hppavilion[1], in "This field has been designate for cows", would cows take the null number?
11:01:24 <LKoen> does "bägge" mean all?
11:01:25 <FaerieFly> but not "all two"; rather you would say "both two" so to speak
11:01:36 <LKoen> it looks like it should mean bag
11:02:07 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: So it'd probably be the non-null, which I forgot to add or mention
11:03:06 * LKoen didn't understand whether "null" meant "zero" or "not specifying how many"
11:03:47 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: ...yeah, good point. I did some word collision there
11:04:06 <LKoen> and how many genders do you have? she/he/e/it?
11:04:37 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: The pronouns are generally genderless because gendered pronouns aren't really needed
11:04:44 <FaerieFly> LKoen: about vowels having multiple sounds, that's the case in swedish too--each vowel has a "long sound" and "short sound", but they in many cases differ in both length and quality (i.e., pronounced differently)
11:05:26 <FaerieFly> so the "è" would be "short e" for me and "é" would be "long e"
11:05:57 <FaerieFly> the former practically never appears lengthened (only in loans) and vice versa for the latter
11:06:35 * LKoen thinks french is one of the language which worries the less about accents or length
11:07:26 <LKoen> I mean, intuitively, I do put accents on some syllables on some words, but if someone else do it differently I might not be shocked
11:07:40 <LKoen> and we don't teach accents at school, neither to french kids nor to foreigners learning french
11:08:07 <FaerieFly> I should ask my parents whether they did
11:08:11 <LKoen> (by accents I don't mean the ' on é but the emphasis on some syllables)
11:08:33 <LKoen> (like the difference between "analyse" and "analysis"
11:08:47 <FaerieFly> I was confused for a moment since I was thinking "aren't the ´ ` accents kinda important" :p
11:09:47 <LKoen> sometimes I read "accent tonique" in french texts about foreign languages
11:11:31 <FaerieFly> We call it "betoning", which would be something like "en-tone-ing" if one translated it verbatim
11:15:08 <hppavilion[1]> If I say "josi-də-ei'ym kek" or "kekoʔseiym" means "I serve you[plural] food" because inflection
11:16:29 <hppavilion[1]> LKoen: Combining symbols on letters are "diacritics", specific way of stressing words is "emphasis", "accent" is a way people from a region talk
11:16:52 <LKoen> in french the first one is called "accent"
11:16:56 <LKoen> the second one is called "accent"
11:17:00 <LKoen> and the third one is called "accent"
11:17:16 <LKoen> as you can see we think and talk about language a lot
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11:34:56 <HackEgo> nethack//<Jessicatz> you play too much nethack when: you look down both sides of the corridor, start to sweat and then realize you're looking at your email address
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11:42:21 <LKoen> I use gmail and they managed to make the interface even worse than it already was. no confusing it with a corridor now
11:47:12 <boily> HELLoen. they changed gmail?
11:49:45 <FaerieFly> We use "accent" for the ` ´ diacritics, "betoning" for stress/emphasis, "dialekt" for the regional thing
11:50:15 <FaerieFly> You ~could~ use "accent" for the regional thing but it's rarely used and would be pronounced differently from the "accent" for the diacritics
11:51:35 <LKoen> we got "dialecte" too but it means an actual variation on the language
11:51:38 <FaerieFly> the diacritics "accent" is /ˈakːsaŋː/ borrowing from French whereas I've only ever heard /ˈakːsɛnːt/ for the "regional variation" sense
11:51:41 <LKoen> not just pronunciation
11:51:56 <FaerieFly> Right, we use "dialekt" for regional variations in pronounciation
11:52:05 <FaerieFly> which is a bit different from the english sense of "dialect" too
11:53:43 <FaerieFly> (in case you're wondering, /ˈakːsaŋː/ is our "try to mimic the French" pronounciation)
11:53:52 <FaerieFly> I have no idea whether it's a good or bad approximation, but hey :p
11:54:03 <FaerieFly> same goes for other words we've borrowed from french
11:54:22 <boily> FællorieFly! /aksã/ hth
11:54:28 <FaerieFly> the ŋ is probably not nasal enough
11:54:51 <FaerieFly> or is my imagined pronounciation completely off?
11:55:32 <boily> it is. LKoen might pronounce it closer to /ɑ̃/.
11:56:25 <LKoen> I don't think accent is nasal
11:56:37 <LKoen> the t is completely mute
11:56:56 <LKoen> and the n is only there as a diphtongue with the a, we don't pronounce it as a consonant
11:57:19 <LKoen> err, with the a I mean
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12:34:53 <LKoen> so there's this tv show that my fiancé wants to watch on tvc
12:35:01 <LKoen> but we missed the first four episodes
12:35:14 <LKoen> they are on replay on the channel's website, but it's supposed to be streaming
12:35:39 <LKoen> I'd like to download them so I can watch them on tv rather than on my computer
12:43:29 <LKoen> nevermind, the replay has only got the french dubbed version :(
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13:45:08 <fizzie> LKoen: FWIW, "youtube-dl", despite the name, can download from a whole bunch -- https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html -- of "streaming" websites. Depending on how obscure yours is.
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13:46:18 <fizzie> (E.g. some of the Finnish commercial TV channels are on that list, but the Finnish national public broadcasting company's web thing isn't, you have to use a separate tool for that.)
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13:52:05 <LKoen> fizzie: oh, I didn't know that, thank you
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15:13:12 <b_jonas> Modern compilers are really complicated. I'm appreciating them more and more all the time I learn about them. They have to do a lot of magical things.
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17:25:50 <\oren\> Newt Gingrich accuses Megyn Kelly of being fascinated with sex.
17:26:22 <\oren\> a swear to god this is the decadent decline of the american empire
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18:54:30 <\oren\> "The clouds at the outer edge of the hurricane swirling beneath the hexagon’s surface are estimated to be traveling at about 330 miles per second" idiots
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19:03:32 <izalove> magnitude 5.5 earthquake near rome...
19:04:10 <moonythedwarf> izalove: a better one would be a magnitude 15 (richter scale) earthquake :)
19:06:06 <\oren\> why does so much stuff seem to rely on undefined behaviour
19:07:09 <olsner> because almost everything is undefined behavior
19:07:59 <izalove> 300 people died a couple of months ago for a 6.2 mag earthquake in italy
19:08:01 <\oren\> in this case, we are apparently relying on the behaviour of defining functions multiple times
19:08:50 <moonythedwarf> izalove: oh. i didnt know. sorry. i was jokingly pointing out (very badly) that a magnitude 15 earthquake emits roughly Earth's gravitational binding energy
19:08:52 <\oren\> and it is apparently working 99 times out of 100
19:10:06 <otherbot> { obuf: '', | console: { log: [Function] }, | Buffer: [Function: Buffer], | EventEmitter: [Function: EventEmitter], | util: {}, | global: '[Circular]', | process: { exit: [Function] } }
19:10:30 <int-e> Hmm, magnitude 15... *extrapolates* 10 exatons TNT equivalent ... a truly mindshattering ("boggling" is just too weak) amount.
19:11:18 <moonythedwarf> int-e: i've been assuming it would blow the earth apart if a magnitude 16 were to somehow show up, plausible?
19:12:06 <moonythedwarf> izalove: a magnitude -15 would be best tho. (same as a mote of dust landing on your table, they happen all the time :p)
19:12:28 <otherbot> # killall -SIGSEGV init & killall -SIGILL init
19:12:34 <\oren\> the chicxulub crater was magnitude 13
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19:18:05 <quintopia> my server was down for hours last night. no idea when it came back up
19:18:47 <int-e> moonythedwarf: No I don't think so... still not nearly enough energy (10^25J) to accelerate 6*10^24kg to escape velocity (if you move 1% of that, you can lift it 33m high? don't quote me on that...) It *will* destroy all life on Earth and probably blow a noticable chunk away.
19:20:07 <int-e> moonythedwarf: but I'm not certain that I got all orders of magnitude right there... do your own calculation or ask Randall Munroe ;-)
19:22:30 <int-e> other fun tidbit, remotely related: Li-ion batteries have about 10% the energy density of TNT.
19:22:34 <quintopia> @tell boily so far, Silberjoder programs are 55% shorter than equivalent Aubergine programs and 30% shorter than equivalent SMBF programs
19:22:52 <int-e> (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density_Extended_Reference_Table )
19:23:09 <quintopia> moonythedwarf: HackEgo is programmed to delete that file whenever things get too hostile in this channel
19:25:07 <int-e> I think we already had the string "cat: canary: No such file or directory" as the contents of the canary file, so don't bother.
19:26:19 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
19:26:40 <moonythedwarf> `` echo "cat: canary: No such file or directory" > canary
19:27:02 <int-e> moonythedwarf: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/421c51b7ca27
19:27:48 <shachaf> You've been asked several times by several people to stop doing that.
19:28:58 <int-e> and by "we already had the string" I apparently meant that shachaf put it there
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20:06:23 <izalove> Well, it appears AWS is down.
20:06:25 <izalove> How about 60% off everything on our site while AWS is down?
20:06:29 <izalove> NOTE: Once AWS is back up 100% we will disable this coupon.
20:06:31 <izalove> Thanks for your continued business.
20:07:19 <\oren\> if aws was down, wouldn't my ebsite be down too?
20:07:47 <izalove> your ebsite is a special snowflake
20:08:44 <izalove> anyway it was a few days old and i just found it
20:09:58 <izalove> and cloudatcost is usually on 70-90% sale
20:10:15 <izalove> like, this is literally the first time i see them not on sale
20:10:44 <shachaf> Is that a statement that they're confident that AWS won't have much downtime?
20:11:13 <shachaf> If they can put it on sale, was it really at cost?
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20:15:10 <int-e> shachaf: tbf, CaC is permanently having some sort of sale...
20:16:07 <int-e> And it could be "at cost"... they just take 30% of the money and invest it in hardware maintenance :P
20:17:22 <int-e> Oh and electricity.
20:18:45 <int-e> And I believe I've suggested this before, but going into bankruptcy seems to be an essential last resort of any business plan that offers "lifetime" VPSs.
20:20:38 <int-e> So all they need is a way to siphon out the money... maybe they're paying for traffic to their telecom parent business.
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20:33:21 <fizzie> int-e: They should probably get some sort of an esolang award for all their good work, though.
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20:47:35 <izalove> http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/Map/zoom.php?key=85&typ=euro#2 another one... 6.1 mag
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21:02:43 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently, there's such thing as a hexagonal parallelogon
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22:18:53 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoKjTdoEe7U
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22:54:58 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
22:55:21 <HackEgo> We're not sure what hambiguitous means, but it's definitely not hth.
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23:05:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beeswax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50045&oldid=50044 * Albedo * (+3) /* For 8 bit cell size */
23:05:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beeswax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50046&oldid=50045 * Albedo * (+23) /* For 64 bit cell size */
23:07:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beeswax]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50047&oldid=50046 * Albedo * (+124) /* instructions */
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23:24:25 <\oren\> `le/rn ambiguous/Ambiguous, from greek 'ἀν-' lack of, and 'βιγος' clarity of meaning, means when something is unclear in its meaning. Antonym: biguous.
23:24:27 <HackEgo> Learned 'ambiguous': Ambiguous, from greek 'ἀν-' lack of, and 'βιγος' clarity of meaning, means when something is unclear in its meaning. Antonym: biguous.
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23:26:38 <HackEgo> Ambiguous, from greek 'ἀν-' lack of, and 'βιγος' clarity of meaning, means when something is unclear in its meaning. Antonym: biguous.
23:27:13 <lambdabot> quintopia said 4h 4m 38s ago: so far, Silberjoder programs are 55% shorter than equivalent Aubergine programs and 30% shorter than equivalent SMBF programs
23:27:49 <boily> \oren\: do you know how to fix the LaTeX Greek Problem?
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23:30:05 <\oren\> boily: what greek latex problem?
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23:32:01 <boily> something broke some time ago, and I can't pdfy wisdoms with Greek in them.
23:32:35 <boily> let me pull the error message...
23:33:05 <boily> ! Package fontenc Error: Encoding file `lgrxenc.def' not found.
23:33:05 <pikhq> ﾄﾞｳｼﾃ ﾐﾝｱｶﾞ ﾍﾝｶｸｶﾅｦ ﾂｶｯﾃﾙﾉ?
23:34:31 <boily> ピックヘロキュー \oren\さんだけが使いますよ
23:36:40 <\oren\> ﾀﾞｯﾃ ﾊﾝｶｸｶﾅﾊ ｾﾞﾝｶｸｯｶﾅﾖﾘ ﾎｳｶﾞｶﾜｲｲ
23:36:43 <pikhq> Oh, you said tsukaimasu, not omoimasu. Never mind.
23:36:51 <pikhq> I apparently can't read today.
23:39:13 <boily> \oren\: that's a perfectly cromulent point.
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23:40:25 <boily> pikhq: I can't omoimasu today, neurons were drowned in coffee and survivors throttled with a few choice lines of Java. and some XML too, to make sure nobody was left.
23:40:31 <fungot> boily: written in scheme is bad form. can ming generate it? why? so long as that doesn't betray what you're trying to look smarter than i am
23:40:49 <pikhq> boily: My sympathies.
23:41:46 <shachaf> pikhq: more like pooch pic hq
23:45:59 <boily> nipponing is easy. it's just a fungotload of easy steps.
23:45:59 <fungot> boily: a good start, actually. which is somewhat divorced from any kind of esolang symbol or logo or something? i have
23:46:07 <pikhq> Weru, za nippongo ranguaji izu not zatto hādo. Yū shimpuri niido tsu wāku on itto foa severu yiazu. Ando zen, yū tsu wiru spiiku japaniizu.
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23:46:24 <boily> `relcome xkapastel
23:46:25 <HackEgo> xkapastel: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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23:47:14 <\oren\> ﾀﾞﾝﾀﾞﾝ ﾆﾎﾝｺﾞﾊ ｺﾉ ﾁｬﾈﾙｦ ｼﾘｬｸｼﾏｽ
23:49:40 <boily> quintopia: hiragana, katakana, basic sentence structure, [REDACTED], basic kanji, slightly more complex sentences, slightly more complex kanji, slightly more complex sentences...
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23:55:21 <boily> +=chicken, I said.
23:55:30 <hppavilion[1]> boily: It should tell you when the command isn't recognized
23:55:30 <boily> hppavilion[1]: duh :P
23:55:48 <shachaf> this bot is unnecessary tdnh
23:55:56 <shachaf> i predict that it'll cause nothing but spam
23:55:57 <boily> +=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
23:56:08 <fizzie> shachaf: That was a very quick turnaround time for a prediction.
23:56:31 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I'm moving it off the channel in a moment, I just needed to check if a certain command that requires joining a channel other than #esoteric-blah worked
23:56:40 <boily> +=testtestasdfasdfadsf
23:56:58 <shachaf> You could have tried any other channel. For example #esoteric-blah-blah
23:57:17 <hppavilion[1]> It confirms that users are logged in so that the admin commands (e.g. join a channel or turn off) can't be executed by people who just use an admin's nick
23:57:24 <fizzie> oerjan: +===\__/ is a frying pan hth
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23:57:57 <\oren\> I can't see any replies from advbot
23:57:59 <quintopia> boily: what is the thing with the backwards E and y that sounds like "yoy" at 2:25 https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IvN8jW_UXlU
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23:59:10 <pikhq> It is as soon as you join it.
23:59:20 <\oren\> quintopia: it just says ヨイ