< 1478563220 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first part I think so at least. < 1478563235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1478563246 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since you can just avoid to use some of the axioms.) < 1478563268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second too, since you can still use all the old ones. < 1478563273 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this analagous to linearly independent and spanning sets of vectors? < 1478563281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i guess. < 1478563341 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably not usefully, unless it turns out systems of axioms form a vector space < 1478563419 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well linearly independent implies two things, only one of which is analogous. < 1478563439 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it < 1478563450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part of the analogy is a little weak, anyway. < 1478563471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can add more axioms without contradicting the old ones, even if they're complete. < 1478563473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That would be nice < 1478563502 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, they wouldn't be "linearly independent", then < 1478563503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And it probably does (or something similar), knowing math < 1478563532 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which is why the analogy is weak. < 1478563599 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yes < 1478563617 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do vectors in a vector space have to by multipliable by *numbers* like it says in Wikipedia's first paragraph, or are other sets of scalars sufficient? < 1478563629 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a better analogy is "does not contain this vector", and "has maximal span subject to not containing that vector" < 1478563629 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it has to be a field < 1478563632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. strings) < 1478563633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK < 1478563643 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most fields are kind of numbery < 1478563666 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the algebraic closure of the finite field of order 27 < 1478563671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it can even be ring, except then you call it a module instead of a vector space. < 1478563683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Which I like < 1478563714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm going to try and figure out if axiomatic systems (or some subset of axiomatic systems) form a vector space... < 1478563781 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep using the word "axiomatic" in searches. Is that a real word, or did I make that up?) < 1478563788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's real < 1478563794 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1478563816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: almost certainly not. or even abelian group. < 1478563834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Some subset might < 1478563846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. it'd probably be contrived. < 1478563853 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you multiply an axiom by a scalar < 1478563870 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GRAFTED CHICKEN < 1478563891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The scalar would be from some field where a multiplication-like operation with an axiom makes sense < 1478563902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, <=> is a group operation, actually. < 1478563932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so is xor, but that's no going to be closed for theorems) < 1478563938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1478563961 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478563995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i retract the claim it's not an abelian group hth < 1478563996 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1478563997 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...over the set of theorems? What's the inverse operation? < 1478564004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If axioms have to always be of the form p -> q (for some propositions p and q) it might be something like (p -> q)*(r -> s) = (p&q -> r&s) < 1478564018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: every element is self-inverse < 1478564027 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that's vector multiplication, which is unnecessary < 1478564031 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah, I'm just looking around for the moment < 1478564032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh < 1478564036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll be theorems modulo tautologies, i guess. < 1478564062 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A <=> B) <=> B =~= A? < 1478564082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that =~= doing there < 1478564086 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, this is 50% Pierce's Law, isn't it < 1478564091 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, = looked lonely < 1478564107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: self-inverse just means ((A <=> A) <=> B) = B < 1478564119 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, A <=> A = True < 1478564131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where True happens to be the unit < 1478564159 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1478564169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just addition modulo 2, with True == 0 and False == 1 < 1478564180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(opposite of usual) < 1478564197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xor being the usual) < 1478564235 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think then, if we want it to be a vector space, the field must therefore be the finite field of order 2? < 1478564269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do you multiply an axiom by a scalar <-- well this only works for the field Z_2 of course, but 0 * A = True and 1 * A = A < 1478564344 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrifying thought: is this a Lie algebra (with Lie bracket [A, B] := A <=> B) < 1478564345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok so theorems form a vector space over the 2-element field. (in fact also a ring, A * B = A or B) < 1478564359 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.76.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478564430 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i derped. < 1478564442 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to bed now, I think < 1478564443 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1478564454 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt realise billygoat (#xkcd anti spam bot) would get at me for calling it 'the goat' instead of pinging it < 1478564476 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayyy 24 hour ban 4 me ): < 1478564498 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing: Wat? < 1478564538 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it bans you for up to a day if you poke it. i was saying i would NEVER poke it >_> < 1478564545 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read what it does if you poke it :P < 1478564606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a "fun" channel. < 1478564632 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://g.redditmedia.com/vqY89uDMgXEonKx5Ui4mRsLxzOTIijy9TYOX-02Ch94.gif?w=720&fm=mp4&mp4-fragmented=false&s=387be5aad48a663fd5a7ebcebbf28102 < 1478564634 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1478564640 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric trump sign < 1478564681 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's today < 1478564718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's still tomorrow, really; if you're in the US it's still Monday, and if you're in a timezone where it's Tuesday you can't expect the results until Wednesday < 1478564732 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1478564733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming anyone lives in UTC-00:30, that will change in about 5 minutes < 1478564860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't seem so < 1478564894 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blames Africa for being uncreative < 1478564934 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another half hour, and there's greenland, the azores and cape verde < 1478565005 0 :computing!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1478565334 0 :moonythedwarf!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478565387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg afk < 1478565389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6037:2015-09-28 learn Afk wrote a famous story about hang. < 1478565400 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wat < 1478565458 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478565460 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478565464 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478565631 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dowg < 1478565632 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doag "wisdom/$1" < 1478565636 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/doag < 1478565636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlnp --removed --template "{rev}:{date|shortdate} {desc}\n" -- "$@" < 1478565653 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/doag < 1478565654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9542:2016-10-30 sled bin/doag//s/date/rev}:{date/ \ 9216:2016-10-10 ` sed -i \'s/hg log/hlnp/\' bin/{doag,hog} \ 8626:2016-06-27 mkx bin/doag//hg log --removed --template "{date|shortdate} {desc}\\n" -- "$@" < 1478565657 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hoag < 1478565657 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1478565658 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. < 1478565672 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1478565722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd hoag//s/dates/revision number and dates/ < 1478565724 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag//`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision number and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. < 1478565739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd hoag//s/number/numbers/ < 1478565741 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag//`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. < 1478566340 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was actually an amou tor bou hang hth < 1478566505 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slwd < 1478566506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`slwd // < 1478566529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still confusel < 1478566893 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main character was named Rego Ams < 1478567037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1478567085 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected that but couldn't get the "hang" part. < 1478567622 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1478567622 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1478567622 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/oswg-member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1478568334 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg mapole | grep 6 < 1478568341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8556:2016-06-22 ` sed -i "s/\'/\xe2\x80\x99/" wisdom/mapole \ 5922:2015-08-22 learn_append mapole A regulatory mapole measures 6\' by 12 kg, \xc2\xb10.5 inHg. \ 5511:2015-06-11 learn_append mapole The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. < 1478568364 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems to be my fault. < 1478568409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1478568411 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1478568433 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no. it was an official statement by boily. < 1478568433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you heffalump or woozle twh < 1478568455 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478568541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant, as i'm no longer confusel hth < 1478568840 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478570544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: itym confuzzled hth < 1478570561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alt: confus) < 1478570802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(accusative singular: confum; genitive singular: confī; dative and ablative singulars: confō) < 1478570823 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plural: confae) < 1478570825 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os < 1478570826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway. < 1478570834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST got that joke there. < 1478570987 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-us" is the second declension irregular nominative (and vocative) suffix in Latin, "-os" is the second declension irregular accusative plural. < 1478571007 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, the normal plural of us is... i. OK then. < 1478571022 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ei or ae) < 1478571029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ii) < 1478571154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if "complex number" is considered feminine in grammatically gendered languages.... <-- French/Italian/Spanish/Albanian/Hebrew/Greek: masculine. German: feminine. Norwegian/Swedish/Danish/Icelandic/Dutch/Russian: neuter. < 1478571170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: not particularly often. < 1478571177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thank you. It should be. < 1478571206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joke being that FEMALES OF THE INFERIOR HUMAN SPECIES are complicated) < 1478571207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general adjectives don't affect the gender of a noun hth < 1478571231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 'in general' itptdh < 1478571243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there'll be some exception somewhere, i just know it) < 1478571270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itptdh < 1478571271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itptdh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1478571293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478571317 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I JUST got that joke there. <-- learn latin and understand more jokes! < 1478571353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: itptdh = itp tdh; itp = "is the part" < 1478571362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"us" is an accusative plural in English, isn't it? one of the few accusative plurals that are different from the nominative plural < 1478571364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yaaay! < 1478571376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (plural: confae) <-- that seems a bit irregular. < 1478571376 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "us" is in the object case and is plural? < 1478571386 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: confi is too easy < 1478571392 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's the accusative of "we", which is the plural of "I" < 1478571421 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: itym it's the plural of "me", which is the accusative of "I" < 1478571431 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, wait, what does the accusative do again? < 1478571434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, < 1478571439 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what's irregular about -us and -os, they're about the most regular suffixes latin's got...) < 1478571444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a commutative diagram of English grammar < 1478571462 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accusative is used for nouns used as objects (i.e. something that is being verbed) < 1478571471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, yes, it's accusative < 1478571472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*«verb»ed < 1478571490 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it as a metasyntactic verb, not as the actual verb "verb" < 1478571494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wikipediasaidsoitsnotmyfault! < 1478571558 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: wikipediasaidsoitsnotmyfault! <-- link? < 1478571573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may want to correct or check for vandals. < 1478571592 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: closed the tab already, but I think it's that it was in the section for "deus" < 1478571606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which article? < 1478571620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There was a whole thing about how "deus" is irregular, I guess it listed -us and -os as well because they aren't the irregular part < 1478571647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1478571700 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, latin vandals? < 1478571702 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS rules says that if your character is alcoholic then you must roll against HT+2 every year or else you permanently lose one point of one of your four basic attributes selected at random. I think that is going to be a bit difficult with only six-sided dice (although, you could reroll until you get 1-4). < 1478571765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Roll, multiply by 4/6, round? < 1478571830 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not uniform if you do that. < 1478571859 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't say it has to be uniform, but I think it would normally imply such thing by default.) < 1478571872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: vandals are everywhere. < 1478571950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan: Have you considered seeing a ψchologist about your paranoia? < 1478571994 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, does your client beep on ørjan? < 1478571994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the albanian wikipedia is one of those that message you the first time you just visit it < 1478572025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nah. my log searches catch it, though. < 1478572031 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1478572041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my client, it doesn't even catch oerjan everywhere. < 1478572044 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well ^^^^^^ < 1478572079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: psychologists are the worst, obviously. < 1478572111 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it never beeps anyway, just colors your nick red. < 1478572120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like too much beeping. < 1478572136 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my client it won't beep on anything unless I push an incorrect key or use /ECHO to print a bell character or use /F to trigger beeping for certain messages (which can be by regular expression). < 1478572170 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The /F command is also used to highlight messages and to suppress messages too, not only to beep.) < 1478572182 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan↡ I now have evil nick completion < 1478572186 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1478572217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ↡ < 1478572217 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+21A1 DOWNWARDS TWO HEADED ARROW] < 1478572613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd Ø//s/$/./ < 1478572617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ø//Ø escaped due to a sensitive case bug. < 1478574752 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman JOIN :#esoteric < 1478575579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has returned- with a vengeance < 1478575596 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, /me doesn't un/away me < 1478575639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaval = (sgn) * (exp . abs . log . abs) < 1478576030 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that, and what is that for? < 1478576373 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a function, and it's for making statistical values more clear < 1478576396 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is the function. Can you give an example though? < 1478576475 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478576535 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: While the relationship (n^-1) between 33/100 and 100/33 is clear when written as fractions, it isn't immediately clear that 0.33 and 3.030303... have the same relationship (even though they're exactly the same value). shaval- as I was introduced to by (and possibly invented by) shachaf- basically finds the proportion of the smaller value to the larger < 1478576557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Essentially, it has the nice property shaval(x) = shaval(1/x) < 1478576573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1478576597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I named (and slightly extended) exp . abs . log < 1478576607 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand the notation. I would guess that . means composition but I don't actually understand it so well < 1478576621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1478576644 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternative names if Mr. Chaf disapproves of this name: Multiplicative Absolute Value/mav(x), Absolute Proportional Value/apv(x)) < 1478576659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...you were the one who wanted a name for exp . abs . log, right? < 1478576713 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: . is composition. Basically, it's equal to 1/x if |x| < 1, else it's equal to x. < 1478576884 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That factory game is addictive < 1478576916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henceforth: the name of / shall be s/ash, because linguistic & typographic names should be self-demonstrating as frequently as possible in order to make it easy to understand < 1478576942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, It's an ümlaut, not an umlaut. < 1478577017 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/880866 < 1478577285 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you defining f * g as \x. f(x) * g(x)? < 1478577294 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't think that's a standard definition < 1478577295 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes hth < 1478577297 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even pointwise < 1478577310 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what they taught me in school, which made me sad < 1478577323 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I figured it was standard, and it was convenient here < 1478577331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's analogous to the f² notation < 1478577332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, well, they at least taught (f+g)(x) = f(x)+g(x) < 1478577333 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1478577345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why isn't it pointwise? < 1478577374 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, maybe it is pointwise < 1478577379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I prefer to think of f² as being f . f, and that multiplication over functions is composition (which is mathematically accurate, it's beginning to appear) < 1478577382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to generalise pointwiseness to things other than matrices < 1478577394 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sin * cos) 5 < 1478577397 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.2720105554446849 < 1478577404 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin 5 * cos 5 < 1478577405 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: just look at Underload < 1478577406 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.2720105554446849 < 1478577419 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is function composition, ^ is function application < 1478577455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (f * g)(x) is f(g(x)), (f ^ g)(x) is (f(g))(x) < 1478577473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does that satisfy the math rules? I forget < 1478577478 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not sure if I have the arguments the right way round there < 1478577511 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f * g)(x) is g(f(x)), (f ^ g)(x) is (g(f))(x) < 1478577511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just define values as functions from 1 hth < 1478577522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works on Church numerals < 1478577664 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting justification for those symbols. < 1478577726 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I had to call them something! < 1478577766 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose (f^g)^h = f^(g*h) < 1478577787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: f(g) . f(h) = p(g, h), find def. p tdnhbwh < 1478577803 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funs f, g, h) < 1478577835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, and that's more obvious when you express it in reverse polish (like Underload actually uses) < 1478577850 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More obvious than regular polish? < 1478577870 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f)(g)^(h)^ = (f)gh = (f)(gh)^ = (f)(g)(h)*^ < 1478577924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regular polish you have to worry about the arity of ^ < 1478577931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reverse polish it doesn't matter, (x)^ and x are 100% synonymous < 1478577994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all you have is nail polish, everything looks like a nail < 1478578016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this notation, as in Underload, «(f)» is the function f used as a value/operand, plain «f» is the same function used as an operator) < 1478578032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that an antiantipun? < 1478578046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just a pun. < 1478578054 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it superficially works on multiple levels but none of them actually make sense < 1478578067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard lines like that before and spent a while trying to work out if they were the regular sort of pun or something else < 1478578080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's the pun version of referential humour < 1478578092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: itym antbipun hth < 1478578098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" is a common saying about not using the right tool for the job or something. < 1478578113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just punning on "nail" in that saying. < 1478578127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of admitting two sensible interpretations, it has zero, but there's multiple different ways to read it as a reference to something < 1478578133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A wise man once told me that sometimes, everything really is a nail < 1478578152 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the reference to polish is relevant too < 1478578153 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was after a severe head injury, so whether he was wise at the time is up for debate < 1478578167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think we should annex reverse polish notation < 1478578198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference to polish is admittedly not invtended to make sense. < 1478578217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: had he had too much to smoke as well? < 1478578219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suppose "invtended" means "intended to invent", or "invented with intent". < 1478578226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Taneb doesn't seem to do much of. < 1478578253 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible for something to invent itself? < 1478578292 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1478578305 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if it leads to an ontological paradox < 1478578307 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: maths < 1478578313 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, the long line, locales, and histograms. < 1478578321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a time travel one hth < 1478578321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented all things that do not invent themselves. < 1478578341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventory < 1478578342 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel. < 1478578349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, this is getting well into Feather territory < 1478578380 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1478578404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though I haven't figured out how to make it work, I still think it's possible to make a language in which all interpreters are written in the language itself and execute via an infinite chain of interpreters) < 1478578426 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the general approach you'd take, you generate the lower interpreters lazily < 1478578472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngeventions < 1478578478 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngeventions? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1478578485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it'll exist ngeventually. < 1478578487 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventually? < 1478578503 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/11/08/5821511dcb3c8.png < 1478578537 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered switching to factorio < 1478578540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more fun hth < 1478579362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, he didn't smoke. He was wise, remember? < 1478579431 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He figured out the cigarette-lung cancer thing a mere 10 years after it should have been blatantly obvious < 1478579518 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1478579548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they say: A clever person can get out of trouble that a wise person doesn't get into. < 1478581131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, exactly < 1478581149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A lawyer can get you into trouble, then charge you $500/hour to get you out < 1478581316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . ø Ø ( An expert in Norwegian law should be called a "lawjer", even in english ) < 1478581929 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478582122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, for some reason, my font program can't render the smiggledygook... < 1478582192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see why < 1478582256 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478582585 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "advokat" hth < 1478582616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start, norwegian doesn't natively have "w". < 1478582749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, "lawjer". It's not supposed to be in Norwegian, it's just supposed to be indicative that it's Norwayey < 1478582758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Norwic? Norwayular? Norwoidal?) < 1478582768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"norsk" < 1478582788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...I thought something in "for a start, norwegian doesn't natively have \"w\"." looked wrong. I figured out what it is. < 1478582802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"norwegian doesn't ... have [w]" < 1478582822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'norWegian has no \'w\'' < 1478582828 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should spell it out a little more < 1478582836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, with a diagram < 1478582837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whence the fuck comes the 'w' in norwegian < 1478582852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a video where you move the letters around < 1478582865 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Look at the capitalization < 1478582885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("whence the fuck", like all archaic english constructions mixed with modern slang, is a fun sentence) < 1478582900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing archaic about "whence". < 1478582907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway you're jus being needlessly crude. < 1478582909 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's archaic. < 1478582934 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I assure you, it's only ever used to make things sound old at this point. < 1478582966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your assurance is wrong. < 1478582972 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whence#English < 1478582980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the norwegian word for "norwegian" is "norsk". no w anywhere. < 1478583024 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but who heard a Norwegian say "Norsk" and said "Hey, you know what'd make it so much better? If replaced 'sk' with 'wegian'!" < 1478583047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To which somebody presumably responded "Why? When have we ever used the term 'wegian'? Ever?" < 1478583073 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google where does the name norway come from < 1478583074 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway < 1478583075 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORwegians, NANDwegians, XORwegians, ORwegians, ANDwegians, XNORwegians. < 1478583086 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the old norse was "norveg", or something like that. < 1478583115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the v _may_ have been pronounced like a w, or it may have passed through a language which did. < 1478583141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Norway has two official names: Noreg in Nynorsk (Old Norse: Noregr) and Norge in Bokmål (Old Norse: Noregi, dative of Noregr)." < 1478583160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, so Nynorsk is like American and Bokmål is like British. < 1478583164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so in _very_ old norse. < 1478583184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whence/thence/hence are related like where/there/here. Huh. < 1478583206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not entirely. but in this case, nynorsk uses a more archaic form. < 1478583218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, also whither/thither/hither. < 1478583221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's standard English. < 1478583268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably we can also have when/then/hen, what/that/hat, who/tho/ho (well, ho and who would be similar), why/thy/hy, wow/thow/how < 1478583281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must use this discovery hith care < 1478584103 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1478585409 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478585442 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478585771 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1478585824 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman JOIN :#esoteric < 1478585918 0 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1478586176 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478586177 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1478587470 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "when" and "then" actually follow the pattern too, but we say "now" not "hen" < 1478587772 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1478588249 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50171&oldid=50145 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+151) 10 < 1478588271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50172&oldid=50171 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (-16) 10 < 1478588537 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478588571 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478588649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50173&oldid=50172 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+14) 10 < 1478588816 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478588841 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1478588851 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50174&oldid=50173 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+205) 10 < 1478588915 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478588938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ain't. It's a nice generic (am | are | is) not < 1478588993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50175&oldid=50174 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+160) 10 < 1478589364 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it is just "am not", but it doesn't matter so much because it can be understood in any of the cases. < 1478589429 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, it's not just "am not" in usual usage- wait, are you saying you only use it for "am not" or that's how you parse it? < 1478589510 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi JOIN :#esoteric < 1478590262 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... what should the term be for a genocide on a small scale? Some use "genocidal massacre", others use "partial genocide". < 1478590270 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. the Parsley Massacre) < 1478590288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue we should just call it "genocide" because genocide is genocide and it's shitty either way < 1478592226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1478592257 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My best code is written with the delete key." < 1478593043 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4100:15f2:d841:ac1a:c9a2:3005 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478593517 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4100:15f2:d841:ac1a:c9a2:3005 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1478593551 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4100:15f2:d841:ac1a:c9a2:3005 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478595070 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4100:15f2:d841:ac1a:c9a2:3005 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478595110 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-180-181-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478595284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think it's called "racially motivated attacks" < 1478595313 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That only covers extremely small-scale, rapid things- like a shooting in a black church < 1478595328 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Genocide is structured and happens over a time, usually with multiple people involved < 1478595354 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-180-181-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1478595521 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: um, ok, I thought you asked for small-scale < 1478595535 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want large-scale, then I think it's just "genocide" < 1478595644 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now at least four webcomic strips have put comments about the current US presidential election on their website, whether in the strip itself or in comments outisde < 1478595671 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dilbert (duh), bobadventures, xkcd, and Questionable Content. < 1478595683 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, let me check qwantz quickly < 1478595755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, savage chickens too now! That makes five < 1478596003 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/water.jpg -- can't argue with that! < 1478596752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Intermediate scale. Not in the millions, but not something you do in an afternoon < 1478596774 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several hundred to a few thousand dead, done in an organized fashion < 1478597053 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpqlvqurdrfnrkgk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1478597148 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uffiygslehovjljx JOIN :#esoteric < 1478597278 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you put a Kobolds of Kher Keep into a Time Machine? < 1478597837 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uffiygslehovjljx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1478597863 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsyjlcxwatejtvgf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478597887 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1478599260 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1478600166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 63 is even bigger than the cube root of 9 < 1478600515 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsyjlcxwatejtvgf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1478601031 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478601876 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily No, systemd is a source of a lot of stress and frustration to me... too magical, and badly documented. It supplies wonders like "core dumped" messages with no core dump to be found (until you find the "coredumpctl" utility), and yesterday it provided me with the wonder of cups not being available (localhost:631 wasn't reachable) because systemd thought I had not done anything... < 1478601877 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1478601882 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...printing related yet (so, apparently, running a simple command like "lpq" would start cupsd behind the curtains). < 1478601897 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ...printing related yet (so, apparently, running a simple command like "lpq" would start cupsd behind the curtains). < 1478601897 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1478602285 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c922:aa55:33d6:9482 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478602531 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did some github staffer push broken css to prod? < 1478602557 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with css i mean webthing < 1478602570 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CQHqdz2.png this happens in any project < 1478602711 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That might be worth a bug report to cups, sounds like their .socket file should specify the IPP port and not only the LPD port < 1478603255 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1478603383 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: doesn't seem to happen here < 1478603430 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too slow :( < 1478603433 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fixed it now < 1478603950 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1478603955 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-yfrzycelnqswpvea QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478604046 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that is a true but irrelevant statement < 1478604345 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rain must be an awful thing to those people... imagine being hit by thin slices of water... < 1478604807 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478604817 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1478604823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nundrum//A nundrum is the categorical dual of a conundrum: a problem whose solution is useless. < 1478604949 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1478604950 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 51m 13s ago: No, systemd is a source of a lot of stress and frustration to me... too magical, and badly documented. It supplies wonders like "core dumped" messages with no core dump to be < 1478604950 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :found (until you find the "coredumpctl" utility), and yesterday it provided me with the wonder of cups not being available (localhost:631 wasn't reachable) because systemd thought I had not done < 1478604950 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything... < 1478604950 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 50m 52s ago: ...printing related yet (so, apparently, running a simple command like "lpq" would start cupsd behind the curtains). < 1478605027 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. that is magical. < 1478605061 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, it's awful < 1478605109 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I'm further down the rabbit hole I'm wondering why cupsd doesn't exit automatically as advertised. < 1478605117 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blames Deewiant  < 1478605143 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6qao14ns83z6y.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1478605424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Deewiant is alive? ) < 1478605432 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemdeewiant < 1478605482 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :deevuan < 1478605909 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, it spoke! < 1478605984 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqsollogzdjbahgl QUIT :Changing host < 1478605984 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478605984 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1478605984 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqsollogzdjbahgl JOIN :#esoteric < 1478606189 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Deewiant < 1478606192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant is the world expert on Befunge conformance testing. < 1478606553 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1478606566 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading co-workers code sometimes hurts a lot < 1478606581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn how to use dangerous stuff before you use it! < 1478606748 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why Gerrit has a sweet, sweet -2. < 1478607793 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PLUGIN CHICKEN < 1478608965 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1478608973 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c922:aa55:33d6:9482 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1478609711 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478611030 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1478611030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1478611066 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478613663 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478613665 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo3 < 1478613711 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1478613712 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6d 2h 52m 22s ago: mhelloonythedwarf. < 1478613720 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1478614408 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqsollogzdjbahgl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1478614632 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vzhnweneefneqkrk JOIN :#esoteric < 1478616286 0 :benderB787!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:3e1:1562:f9be:5efa:824e JOIN :#esoteric < 1478616574 0 :benderB787!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:3e1:1562:f9be:5efa:824e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478617469 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6qao14ns83z6y.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478618055 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478618210 0 :ybden!?@? NICK :SIGPET < 1478621702 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.140.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1478621783 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1478621802 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478622273 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! internal error from the linker < 1478624655 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1478625445 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1478625668 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXx8-iEX7cs < 1478625703 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was enjoying this song, when I realized who that guy in the photo is? < 1478625821 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6qao14ns83z6y.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1478626442 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1478626455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, there was an election in the Yukon, and literally noone cares < 1478626618 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478627308 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478628858 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.147.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478629482 0 :SIGPET!?@? NICK :ybden < 1478630165 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What GURPS book doesn't specify but I think they should is if a template modifiers your aging TL due to your character's species, since it seems like such a thing is reasonable to me. And also for some humans, due to religion and other things it may also qualify for a aging TL reduced by 1 or 2 maybe. < 1478631499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: dialup internet over skype! < 1478631522 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a skype bot that provides dialup internet access < 1478631561 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, when you want to surf the net, skype your bot and connect your modem < 1478631605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recurse until your internet grinds to a halt < 1478631715 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch... why skype? that's just horrible < 1478631741 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1478632002 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1478632184 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look in askance at what the hell the Indian Prime Minster is trying to achive by 'demonitizing' the current Rs1000 and Rs500 notes < 1478632299 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing stoppening someone who is well known and of high reputation in the local community to just exchange prompty Rs1000 from people that do not trust the promptness of local banks or post offices for cheques of same domination to bearer. < 1478632350 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :double striked to indicate that the bank must honour the cheque regardless of the account balance. < 1478632466 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when the furror is over then accept back those cheques after having withdrawn as much as possible without triggering the panic bells in clerks heads < 1478632587 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :this Modi character says that he is doing this to counter 'money laundary' which is highly hypocritical of him when he most likely has accounts in 'offshore' countries < 1478632686 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lets ignore these hardships and participate in nation building!" (somewhat paraphrased) he said. < 1478632787 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot but think that these are just the first signs of someone wich would think that 'National Socialism' is a good idea, we all know how that did to the Weimar Republic dont we? < 1478632851 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :?Coke-index India < 1478632851 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1478633230 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1478633262 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :one 33cl can of Coke costs 25.9 Rs. So six sixpacks is 932.4 Rs. Which means that you cant even buy that much for a small party with a single note. < 1478633281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a GURPS character, and I can also help the other players to do because I know how it works and wrote a computer program to help to do it too! < 1478633315 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also wrote program to calculate age statistics for GURPS characters and attribute losses due to alcoholism.) < 1478633440 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478633562 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good < 1478634216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:OOLANG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50176 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+119) 10Created page with "Don't look very esoteric ~~~~" < 1478634898 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Customizations I made to Amoebax make a more difficult game and I have not been able to earn more than 4295 points (that was 14 months ago). < 1478634941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1478634995 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostigarchy: Not QUITE an oligarchy, but but close < 1478635049 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Edit the key configuration to player 1 to what you want, and then edit ~/.config/amoebax/options.conf to set the second player's controls the same as the first player, and then select a tournament game and play both sides with the same controls!) < 1478635209 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game will be symmetric until ghost blocks appear, which will be different on each side, and break the symmetry. and then it starts to get more difficult. There are still various techniques to try such as blocking the falling piece on one side with other blocks and move only the other's left/right, and to try to "hard sync" the pieces, although this can be difficult. < 1478635456 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478635754 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478635824 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who's winning this election thing? < 1478635829 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a quick answer for a bet < 1478635858 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1478635868 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either a giant douche or a turd sandwicz < 1478635892 0 :augur!~augur@142-254-30-187.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1478635939 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't bet on those < 1478636514 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: we don't know yet. and if we knew, we'd be making the bet and win money. < 1478636539 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: you'll probably get a high confidence answer tomorrow during the day < 1478636551 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet people are already betting on it < 1478636557 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to be sure to bet < 1478636568 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4 hours the first state results will come < 1478636571 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: the problem is that it's still during the day in Merca so people are still voting < 1478636593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after they stopped voting, they'll count quick, but they can't start counting before that < 1478636598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 4 hours from what? < 1478636603 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now? < 1478636608 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now yes < 1478636625 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't people still voting until the American west coast evening, which is the morning here < 1478636626 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plls close in some states at 7 eastern time < 1478636628 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1478636668 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result will be narrowed down considerably by 9 eastern < 1478636703 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1478636716 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even possible that the race will be entirely decided by 9 o clock < 1478636744 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alaska polls close last so they almost never get to matter < 1478636770 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478636833 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the system fully electronic? < 1478636838 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you still use paper? < 1478636839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1478636857 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use some machines and some paper < 1478636875 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on state, county, blahblahblah < 1478636931 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 7:00 Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, S. Carolina, Vermont, and Virginia close < 1478636971 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 7:30 N. Carolina, Ohio, and West Virginia < 1478636989 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point, 98 electoral points are in < 1478637011 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1478637027 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL n carolina's timezone has a 30min offset < 1478637142 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 8:00 Alabama, Coneticut, Delaware, Florida, Ilinoise, Maine, Maryland, Massatushits, Misisippi, Missuri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennyslvania, Rhode Island, Tennisee come in < 1478637203 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those bring the total to 270 meaning that if someone gets every single one they have won the election < 1478637228 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely < 1478637239 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 8:30 Arkansas comes in adding 6 more < 1478637256 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: isn't there a delay between when the polls close and when the results come in? < 1478637272 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: technologyyyyy < 1478637291 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so all I'm saying is it's possible that the result will be known at 9 o clock < 1478637403 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 9:00, Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, Luisiana, Michigan, Minisota, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North and South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, Wyoming come in < 1478637428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 156 more points < 1478637454 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that usually decides it < 1478637497 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 10:00, Iowa, Montana, Nevada, Utah come in, adding 21 < 1478637543 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 11:00 California, Hawaii, Idaho, Oregon, Washington come in adding 82 < 1478637575 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at 1:00 in the morning, Alaska shows up < 1478637583 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric : < 1478637694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I think unless there's a serious problem, the result will be decided by 10 pm eastern today < 1478637719 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rember what Al Gore tried to do < 1478637850 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if any state is even slightly close, there could be lots of recounting the votes < 1478638349 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the Analytical Engine TC (assuming you used an infinite-memory adaptation)? < 1478638373 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(God, what's the term for languages that are TC, except for the part where they have finite memory due to implementation issues?) < 1478638419 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically turing complete? < 1478638429 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory bound turing complete? < 1478638438 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finite state automaton? < 1478638450 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Sure? < 1478638460 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that most machine codes are not turing complete even in thoery < 1478638467 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but there are machines that are FSAs even with indefinite size iirc < 1478638467 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: those arent turing complete. < 1478638479 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they necessitate finite length pointers < 1478638484 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: But computers with finite memory behave like FSAs < 1478638501 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian, a Turing machine with finite memory is a finite state automaton < 1478638557 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: really? I thought Finate State Automata was only for stuff with enumerable states < 1478638573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Proof incoming < 1478638600 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite memory implies finite states < 1478638609 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :however FSA with two push down stacks is TC < 1478638648 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478638687 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what about relative pointers? In systems that use something like Google wandering wholenum for keeping ints and pointers < 1478638809 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you reject zf's axiom of infinity, a "fsa" with a reasonably large amount of memory is a turing machine < 1478638810 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if a machine only supports relative pointers, then there's no limit on memroy < 1478638866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A turing machine with _k_ non-halting states, a symbol alphabet of the set _A_, and a bounded tape of length _t_ can be translated into an FSA with at most _k*t*|A|^t_ states [I think that's the number] by simply taking the states for each possible tape setup and making them separate, then transforming to the sub-FSA associated with the desired change in tape. Or something like that. < 1478638868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: ^^^ < 1478638928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think. I got that number because the tape has t states each of which can be one of the values in A- |A| options- it has a position from 1 to t (hence *t), and k because it is in one of the k non-halting states) < 1478638937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I need a +1 for the halting state) < 1478639204 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( A half-child is a half-sibling of your full child who is not also your full child ) < 1478639546 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally got the Multiplayer Dwarf Fortress thing working with the help of iczero and wonders if anyone wants to play < 1478639585 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you "multiplay" there? < 1478639744 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a novnc server. < 1478639746 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1478639763 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a vnc viewer that some users can control, others just watch < 1478639775 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everybody breaks everybody elses attempts to do something < 1478639786 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its best not to control fight, namely because the glacier is deadly < 1478639797 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try and keep it somewhat organised < 1478639807 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :want the link? < 1478639812 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could never wrap around my head on a way to actually make a multiplayer df like < 1478639935 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dwarf fortress turn based? < 1478639943 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really cant remember < 1478639956 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. your thinking of community forts < 1478639981 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the df multiplayer thing is turnbased tho :P < 1478639983 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: obviously you aren't playing enough < 1478639987 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=160965.0 << the thread, with a link < 1478639997 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the viewonly password as well < 1478640534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1478640561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1478640888 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478641075 0 :augur!~augur@142-254-30-187.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1478641108 0 :augur!~augur@142-254-30-187.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1478641152 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478641180 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478641388 0 :augur!~augur@142-254-30-187.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478641928 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1478642031 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1478642231 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478642313 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478642394 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROFL webpage says they aim to deliver at most 99% of the packages to the destination the morning after the order < 1478642420 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... at most? < 1478642442 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1478642455 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.220foto.hu/szallitas.php#pickpackpont < 1478642458 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they might as well just do nothing? < 1478642474 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1478642548 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1478642560 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if they don't deliver at all then you get your money back, so not doing anything with any package wouldn't be a very good business strategy < 1478642873 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jcfipyuffgckjxpl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1478642890 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zgxiaptcbaqqjzli JOIN :#esoteric < 1478643244 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1478643569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: deliver all packages when the recipient is about to die < 1478643663 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1478644133 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1478646325 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1478646895 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478647048 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478647108 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: have you voted? < 1478647108 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or possibly hot tuna. they've been pestering me since 1998. :o :o :o < 1478647186 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm not convinced fungot is a US citizen < 1478647187 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but right, a day makes, huh.... < 1478647193 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or over the age of 18 for that matter < 1478647283 0 :augur!~augur@2602:30a:c038:d2d0:fde4:537f:c9e:33ac JOIN :#esoteric < 1478647296 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1478647340 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle, mhellonhellort08. < 1478647367 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ping < 1478647472 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pong < 1478647472 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping! < 1478647500 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1478647500 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1478647595 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!botsnack < 1478647600 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1478647600 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1478647612 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?botsnack < 1478647612 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1478647621 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> botsnack < 1478647623 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: Variable not in scope: botsnack < 1478647637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1478647648 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1478647653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1478647658 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is being slow :P < 1478647666 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/botsnack < 1478647670 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/botsnack: No such file or directory < 1478647687 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/bash-completion-devel/2016-November/thread.html what the f is happening :D < 1478647777 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, phedex phishing! < 1478647890 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: :D < 1478647922 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's in the zips? < 1478647961 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.4 < 1478648228 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the attachments was this http://arin.ga/FedEx.doc < 1478648302 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oho < 1478648317 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricks people into enabling macros < 1478648560 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.147.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478648581 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1478648650 0 :carado!~carado@78.250.147.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478648711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1478648733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1478648885 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6qao14ns83z6y.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1478648920 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is Microsoft Word, then I would think probably people work in Debian are not using it. (Other typesetting system which is better and for use on Linux include troff and TeX; each has its advantages and disadvantages. I use troff for man pages and TeX for other typesetting.) < 1478649037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Word isn't just a typesetting system. < 1478649069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it is more than that, although in most cases there are better ways to do it anyways. < 1478649069 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1478649138 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1478649154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that true? < 1478649168 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you use Krita (the gui raster image editor software that is)? if so, do you like it? < 1478649176 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Word is a Picture Displacement Application. < 1478649401 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I use ImageMagick and Farbfeld-Utilities (the latter I wrote myself) to manipulate pictures. There is also the program "bitmap" for editing monochrome pictures in X if needed, although Farbfeld-Utilities currently does not support that file format. < 1478649426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1478649429 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mostly use ImageMagick and gimp, sometimes other stuff too. < 1478649462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen my Farbfeld Utilities programs? < 1478649470 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wonder if I should examine Krita in more detail to find out if it would be worth for me to use it, and maybe you eso guys can give a summary about what's good and bad in it. < 1478649474 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I haven't seen that < 1478649483 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you seen ImageMagick 7 by the way? < 1478649495 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have an URL for that? < 1478649510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have version 6.6.9-7; I have not seen ImageMagick 7, but I have read some things about it < 1478649525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Farbfeld Utilities, the URL is: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/ < 1478649538 0 :augur!~augur@2602:30a:c038:d2d0:fde4:537f:c9e:33ac QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1478649562 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can contribute stuff too if you have written some < 1478649598 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric