00:01:16 hmm.. does anyone know of a short vingette about an author fleeing assasins because an corporation wants his works to be in the public domain in 70 years time? 00:03:59 -!- computing has joined. 00:05:36 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:05:52 good syntax highlighting is subtle and compelling. it's the smell of freshly brewed sourj. a Danish butter cookie crumbling in your mouth. 00:06:08 I don't, but it sounds fun! copyright assasins. 00:06:38 70 years is a lot of time for that to make any sense 00:07:09 "we need that in _exactly_ 70 years. we cannot afford to wait 80, because our seers said so" 00:09:05 myname: well the plot was that the corp wanted the writings in the public domain sooner than later hence the covertly hired assasins 00:09:11 it would make sense in a cyberpunk setting like morgan's, but i don't know if copyright will be a thing like today in those 00:09:49 i am not convinced 00:10:45 talking about corps makes me want to build new netrunner decks... 00:13:23 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:14:01 i have actually played that. I find it hillariously badly confused what hacking is actually about. 00:14:30 hacking in the senes of gaining access to something without consent 00:15:22 'series of tubes with firewalls' 00:18:47 it's caricaturally hollywoodian, and runs with it all the way through, with flavour and lore and extra material. 00:19:02 it's not meant to be serious hacking. 00:19:13 netrunner should have cards that are on a corps server such when reviealed it says "Congratulations! You gained access to the sysadmins breakroom fridge wishlist!" 00:21:20 there there is another card: "You can hire an tech to make te sysadmins new fridge act like an exfiltration device for getting out goodies without being detected" 00:22:40 hmm, does intercal have exceptions of some kind? 00:22:57 (on error come from perhaps?) 00:23:15 -!- adu has joined. 00:24:39 helløily 00:30:52 boily: yeah, I know it is caricaturally hollywoodian which is based on something an script writer half remembered when asking phone phreaks and hackers how they did it. 00:31:11 boily: hence the 'trace' and such stuff. 00:37:04 olsner: you need to ask ais523 that hth 00:37:09 which reminds me, I remember I saw in one movie that came after War Games where an combination of computer clubs bought one pager (with service) and a 900 number. They then cloned the pager and linked the 900 number to its number. Then they used it for sort of data 'broadcast' for their members. (You could send alphanumerical text to the pager via DTMF scheme the pager service published) 00:37:20 `? hth 00:37:23 hth ([ʰtʰh̩]) is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. 00:38:38 (the members connected their 'pagers' to their home computers and left them running) 00:39:15 that seems unlikely to work hth 00:39:42 the data broadcast service the clobbed together? 00:39:50 yeah 00:39:50 they* 00:40:29 why was it unlikely to work? pager systems in those days didnt use cell phone architecture 00:41:15 i'd assume the telecom network would track approximate pager location, and not be able to register several simultaneously... 00:41:44 unless the service was actually designed for having several pagers on one number 00:41:47 an pager was bascially an small recieve only radio hard tuned to the pager service broadcast frequency and knew its id code 00:42:20 ok receive only? i guess it could work then. 00:42:36 but then only in the designated area the broadcasts reach 00:43:07 which was usually whole of USA (in that movie at least) 00:43:31 ic. 00:44:08 i guess with low enough customer base they could do that. 00:45:01 the customer base was huge, many hospitals, police forces, fire stations and so on used these from what I have read 00:45:33 you see the data sent for a page wasnt that much 00:46:12 `dowg hth 00:46:15 9673:2016-11-12 slwd hth//s/\xca\xb0\xc9\x99/h\xcc\xa9/ \ 9672:2016-11-12 slwd hth//s/\xc9\x99\xcc\xa5/\xc9\x99/ \ 9671:2016-11-12 slwd hth//s/ / ([\xca\xb0t\xca\xb0\xca\xb0\xc9\x99\xcc\xa5]) / \ 6776:2016-02-10 ` echo \'hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.\' > wisdom/hth \ 00:46:21 heck with many pagers in a group then only one packet needed to be sent as each pager in the group also listened for the group id code 00:46:32 `` culprits wisdom/hth 00:46:36 oerjän oerjän oerjän zgrëp hppavilion[1̈] boil̈y boil̈y 00:49:17 the funny thing is, in that movie, the telecomms company found out what the clubbers were doing. But all calls to the pagers number went through the 900 number so the bill broke even. The company just put a rate limter on the pager number and didnt care further. 00:51:32 This and other stuff, might have been the inspiration for Outernet.is (which isnt an Icelandic site though it is registered via ISNIC) 00:56:02 til 01:12:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:15:52 "It it", "Is is", "If is", "Illinois", "I hiss", "Titties", "Ibis", "Iris", "Italy", "[DATA EXPANDED]". 01:18:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:30:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:44:05 oh right you no longer need let in ghci 01:49:56 The date today is Ah, 1993-09-8489 01:50:20 s/Ah, // 01:56:34 oerjan: whoa whoa whoa 01:56:42 I should upgrade sometime. 01:56:43 <\oren\> `unicode h̩ 01:56:45 U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H \ UTF-8: 68 UTF-16BE: 0068 Decimal: h \ h (H) \ Uppercase: U+0048 \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0329 COMBINING VERTICAL LINE BELOW \ UTF-8: cc a9 UTF-16BE: 0329 Decimal: ̩ \ ̩ \ Category: Mn (Mark, Non-Spacing) \ Bidi: NSM (Non-Spacing Mark) \ Combining: 220 (Below) 02:01:06 -!- computing has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:01:13 -!- moony has joined. 02:04:33 -!- ski has joined. 02:09:59 he\\oren\. it's a syllabic h hth 02:10:13 people still use Haskell? 02:33:39 [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50408&oldid=50406 * Oerjan * (+1107) /* O(log n) version */ Comparison 02:34:08 -!- Zarutian has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:34:20 boily: it's useful for calculations hth 02:35:24 (like those i just posted) 02:46:45 hppavilion[1]: I think your date is wrong 02:49:31 * oerjan realizes many (most?) people here weren't born when eternal september started 02:50:37 adu: ...how? 02:52:32 hppavilion[1]: ummmmmmmmmmmm its 2016 02:52:44 oerjan: What date will be the 10000 of september? 02:53:11 i don't know 02:53:25 Let me calcit 02:54:40 oerjan: which year was the eternal September of? 02:54:49 every year hth 02:55:12 but there must have been ephemeral Septembers before that, no? 02:55:26 before eternity? 02:55:33 oerjan: 2021-01-15 is 1993-09-10000 02:55:42 Oh, wait 02:55:46 the last ephemeral september was 1992 hth 02:55:52 When I got that date, it was tomorrow in the local timezone 02:56:43 * boily was born before that, but too young to experience it 02:57:00 `` date --date 'September 10000, 1993' 02:57:01 date: invalid date `September 10000, 1993' 02:57:12 disappoint 02:57:57 `` date --date 'September 30, 1993' 02:57:57 Thu Sep 30 00:00:00 UTC 1993 02:59:44 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SEDUCTIVE CHICKEN). 02:59:57 oerjan: that program can do it 03:00:02 you can read about it in the mandate hth 03:00:14 `` date -d 'September 1, 1993 + 9999 days' 03:00:15 Sat Jan 16 00:00:00 UTC 2021 03:00:30 fancy 03:00:32 hppavilion[1]: "it was tomorrow"? 03:00:44 hppavilion[1]: and you ask how..... 03:00:52 it will have been tomorrow 03:01:05 shachaf: at least that is gramatically correct 03:01:16 so is "it was tomorrow" 03:01:22 lol 03:01:24 the error is not grammatical 03:01:29 if there's even an error 03:01:40 temporally incorrect 03:01:41 no error at all, actually, not in that fragment 03:02:13 "What day did we decide on, again? Ah, right, it was tomorrow." 03:02:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:04:26 you thought the day for jam was tomorrow, but it will have been changed to yesterday 03:05:49 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 03:06:36 I think you will have found it to have continued to be jam tomorrow even tomorrow. 03:18:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:19:12 ⌑(¬jam ∧ ◯jam) 03:20:52 Shem, Jam, and Hafet 03:21:53 Ham and jam sounds interesting 03:24:07 more interesting than the other entry to the language design competition, it seems 03:24:18 maybe they should have used a white queen… 03:25:08 What entry? 03:25:17 https://esolangs.org/wiki/ARGENTOS 03:25:40 Were there only two entries? 03:27:25 only two are listed on the esowiki 03:32:10 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:34:18 Jafet: Is that something modal then there now? 03:38:32 `unidecode 03:38:32 ​[U+0020 SPACE] 03:49:37 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH 03:50:00 <\oren\> TTF is a HORRIBLE format!!!! 03:52:56 <\oren\> NOOOOOOOO why doesn't it worrrrrrrrrkk 03:55:26 Then use a different format; there are many better ones 03:57:18 hppavilion[1]: did you decide? 03:57:51 adu: Decide what again?? 03:58:08 hppavilion[1]: if we can be friends? 03:58:24 adu: Oh :P 03:58:26 adu: Yes 03:58:30 YEY 03:58:31 :) 03:58:43 I'm so sorry for making you wait 03:58:51 it will never happen again 04:23:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:24:19 -!- zpez has joined. 04:29:58 I have recently added into OAA a compile-time optimization for arithmetic operations on constants. (For example if you type 1 2ADD it will automatically replace it with 3) OAC does not have this feature. 04:46:09 Some programming languages have no bitwise operations (such as, OASYS VM doesn't have, and I think Pascal also doesn't have; if you look at the code of TeX and METAFONT you will see that they don't use bitwise operations; also TI-92 has no bitwise operations), although I have figured out ways to do anyways (depending what needs to be done you can simplify it). Have you ever done stuff like this too? 04:48:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:49:35 A lot of programming languages use `s and ~s and ^s 04:49:52 Which is weird because they're etymologically supposed to be diacritics that lost their diacriticism 04:51:13 -!- zpez has left. 04:51:44 They are used because they are ASCII characters is I think mainly why 04:54:19 zzo38: Well yes 04:54:41 zzo38: They're only in ASCII because they were used as diacritics, but they were never meant to stand alone 04:55:52 They may have been intended as such, but actual ASCII systems never supported them as such. 04:56:09 Though a decent number of the national ASCII variants did. 04:57:07 You could make overtype by backspace, but that is unlikely on a VDU anyways. 04:57:32 But what would happen if ASCII had *more* diacritics than just gràve, tĩlde, câret? What might programming languages use a floating macrōn or brĕve, dȯt or ümlaut, ri̊ng or carǒn for? 04:57:53 zzo38: Yeah, that was the original usage afaict. It applied to lots of other combinors too 04:58:21 Also, rule: All names for diacritical marks should contain the diacritical mark. 04:58:26 Yes you can make cents sign too for example. But as I said such uses are more suitable for paper than for VDU. 04:58:48 zzo38: Yes 04:58:49 But then, ASCII was a 1963 spec. 04:59:12 -!- paul2520_ has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.2). 04:59:18 It was straight-up assumed output would be to a hard-copy teletypewriter. 04:59:22 (The name shouldn't be derived from languages where the symbol is used; the symbol should just have a generic, perhaps systematic name) 04:59:25 pikhq: Yes 05:00:50 pikhq: Yes, and now that is rarely the case, although you can still fake it if necessary 05:23:59 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 05:30:00 zzo38: It'd be interesting to see software emulating overtype. 05:32:12 Though I can think of a really easy (if lame) way of doing it just to cover textual use. 05:32:36 Replace backspace-and-diacritic with the Unicode combining character 05:39:19 Yes, or whatever kind of typesetting system you may be using 05:48:33 combining backspace 05:54:52 Jafet: Frontspace? 06:01:30 I think that's just called space 06:07:45 <\oren\> Ok I can't figure out at all why this doesn't work 06:12:27 -!- otherbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:53:29 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 08:04:37 Somebody on #xkcd on Foonetic just described Darmok as being about the characters meeting a culture that only talks in memes xD 09:09:57 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:43:01 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:23:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:32:33 -!- APic has quit (Read error: No route to host). 10:34:14 -!- APic has joined. 11:02:32 -!- TieSoul has joined. 12:03:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:08:59 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:46:52 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:26:59 -!- MoALTz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:34:06 . o O ( early adopter, n.: guinea pig. ) 13:38:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:55:57 [wiki] [[Javagony]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50409&oldid=46003 * Flawr * (+4) 13:59:50 -!- TellsTogo has joined. 14:02:32 -!- Zarutian has joined. 14:02:58 -!- Zarutian has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:03:14 -!- Zarutian has joined. 14:24:25 -!- adu has joined. 14:32:19 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 14:55:43 -!- adu has joined. 14:56:50 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:10:14 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 15:57:31 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 16:01:51 -!- MoALTz has joined. 16:19:42 somewhat appropos to the netrunner chat yesterday: http://www.cap-lore.com/Economics/DSR/SilkSec.html ;-Þ 16:21:55 -!- TellsTogo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:53:09 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:12:33 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:47:23 -!- function has joined. 17:48:32 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:50:09 -!- vjoba has joined. 17:50:20 -!- vjoba has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:56:58 -!- DHeadshot_ has joined. 17:57:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:02:16 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50410&oldid=50401 * Slnetaiga * (+17) Added Calculator 18:13:37 -!- moony has joined. 18:18:52 [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50411&oldid=50408 * Oerjan * (+358) /* O(log n) version */ Updated calculations 18:22:32 -!- function has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 18:25:16 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:29:59 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:30:51 -!- function has joined. 18:35:10 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:37:17 -!- moony has joined. 18:46:56 [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50412&oldid=50411 * Oerjan * (+380) /* O(log n) version */ Larger charsets 18:47:11 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 18:48:23 [wiki] [[ObCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50413&oldid=50162 * Challenger5 * (+2) 19:53:00 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:59:45 [wiki] [[Calculator]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50414 * Slnetaiga * (+2109) Initial 20:02:08 -!- DHeadshot_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:02:11 [wiki] [[User:Slnetaiga]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50415&oldid=50404 * Slnetaiga * (+17) 20:22:18 -!- adu has joined. 20:38:06 -!- computing has joined. 20:39:00 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:54:40 -!- function has quit (Quit: found 1 in /dev/zero). 20:55:44 -!- boily has joined. 20:56:08 `wisdom 20:56:19 backward//¯\(o​_°)/¯ ?sdrawkcab 20:58:12 `? sdrawkcab 20:58:14 sdrawkcab? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:58:16 `? drawkcab 20:58:17 drawkcab? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:58:24 phew. 21:00:41 olle-tni. 21:02:29 ?ti deen uoy nehw elopam eht si erehW 21:02:29 Maybe you meant: tic-tac-toe ticker time wn v thx rc pl id do bid bf @ ? . 21:02:39 @tic-tac-tow 21:02:40 how about a nice game of chess? 21:03:13 I didn't know that command. 21:04:02 And ... there's a typo: 21:04:05 @help tic-tac-toe 21:04:05 I'm sorry Dave, I'm affraid I don't know that command 21:05:45 * boily lends int-e his mapole 21:06:25 * int-e mapoles boily straight into the 21st century. 21:06:45 ow. 21:07:54 -!- LKoen has joined. 21:10:59 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 21:13:26 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 21:29:26 -!- int-e_ has joined. 21:29:29 -!- int-e has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 21:29:29 -!- sdhand has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 21:29:44 -!- int-e_ has changed nick to int-e. 21:29:59 -!- sdhand has joined. 21:30:23 -!- sdhand has changed nick to Guest29830. 21:31:17 -!- puckipedia has quit (K-Lined). 21:32:17 -!- Guest29830 has changed nick to sdhand. 21:32:30 -!- sdhand has quit (Changing host). 21:32:30 -!- sdhand has joined. 21:32:41 -!- puckipedia has joined. 21:34:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:45:41 All The Tropes Wiki includes, on its article about "Every Man Has His Price", says about Magic: the Gathering, "[...] this is the default behavior of black, which uses everything as a resource". But what about, using costing you the game in later duels in a match as a resource, or in a team game, using players as a resource? 21:46:32 I think black might often use players' loyalty as a resource. 21:50:52 Players can concede at any time, so even in a Archenemy game with ten vs one, the team might find a way to win that involves nine of their ten players conceding, and the remaining player winning, therefore allowing the entire team to win. 21:52:28 Another idea I thought of is to write the card: Indirectly phase out target permanent. 21:57:28 (The rules would need to be adjusted slightly, but depending on your point of view this may be considered merely a clarification.) 22:14:23 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:14:27 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 22:17:39 -!- moony has joined. 22:18:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:21:08 -!- computing has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:21:59 -!- hppavilion[0] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:30:05 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:40:10 `wisdom 22:40:11 if//If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: 22:43:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:45:36 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 22:46:08 -!- hppavilion[0] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 22:46:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Client Quit). 22:53:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:01:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:01:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:21:37 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 23:54:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).