00:04:15 <boily> Taneb: Tanelle. have you ever eaten welsh rarebit?
00:05:22 <hppavilion[1]> I want to add œ to my keyboard. I have æ under altgr a, so altgr o would be a logical place for it; however, I already have ø in that space
00:06:19 <boily> hppavellon[1]. «œ» is ISOLevel5-e, and «ø» is ISOLevel5-o hth.
00:06:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50416&oldid=50410 * Steve * (+11) /* A */
00:06:42 <hppavilion[1]> boily: So œ under altgr e? I don't like that, but I could do it.
00:11:04 <boily> not AltGr, that one is ISO Level 3.
00:15:01 <boily> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#/media/File:KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard_comment-en.svg ← the green key to the bottom right.
00:15:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50417&oldid=50412 * Oerjan * (+426) /* Inverse lexing construction */ Shorter prefix
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00:19:06 <oerjan> now i need to update my calculation _again_. and i closed the vim window with the subparts of that formula...
00:25:02 <Taneb> boily, once, a while back
00:25:05 <Taneb> Can't remember it too well
00:31:07 <fizzie> The Gävle goat burned down again. :/
00:34:29 <hppavilion[1]> Well, it has to be implemented as multiple keyboards
00:35:05 <hppavilion[1]> At the moment. One for standard english with some additions, one for greek, at least one for math.
00:35:30 <hppavilion[1]> Unfortunately, there's no way to add more shifts without losing some keys :/
00:36:06 <hppavilion[1]> What'd be really nice is a stickykeys-like shift; tap greekshift and the next keypress is greek, then it turns off. Tap it again and that's aborted.
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00:37:37 <boily> Space Cadet Hppavilion
00:40:41 <Jafet> relevant: https://packages.debian.org/sid/bucklespring
00:41:38 <Jafet> “Buckle emulates the sound of an old IBM Model-M space saver bucklespring keyboard”
00:43:44 <boily> I type on blue cherries at home. I love their sound and feeling.
00:51:05 <Taneb> fizzie, that was fast
01:04:01 <fizzie> Yes, it's not even December yet.
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01:17:08 <oerjan> hm that prefix improvement has only a tiny effect on when the O(log n) version takes over
01:17:50 <Taneb> boily, why did you ask about welsh rarebit
01:18:58 <oerjan> . o O ( it's boily, it's weird food, what's the question? )
01:19:26 <hppavilion[1]> I was just talking with my father about <ø>, which appears in our last name (historically; it isn't officially present any more). I was explaining "apparently, this is how you pronounce it: [ø]"
01:19:56 <hppavilion[1]> (I explained that it's the initial sound from the english name of the letter "a", but with the lips rounded. I pray to oerjan this is correct)
01:20:06 <Taneb> I remember when I was smaller making welsh rarebit from a recipe in a recipe book for children type thing
01:20:12 <Taneb> I can't remember what was in it
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01:20:27 <Taneb> Other than that there was no rabbit, despite my expectations
01:20:29 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well, close enough.
01:20:34 <hppavilion[1]> (for reference, the initial sound from the english name of the letter "a" is also the name of the letter "e" in German)
01:21:16 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i'm just saying, you're not going to get a sound _exactly_ right with that kind of comparison.
01:22:07 <hppavilion[1]> He said I would make a good Linguist. I informed him that "good" is not the usual adjective for a particularly excellent linguist, but that I doubted he wants me to tell him what it is in polite company.
01:23:02 <oerjan> i think wikipedia claims it's more like [œ] when short. might be dialect dependent, like everything.
01:23:23 <oerjan> (and even [ø] and [œ] are not perfect precision...)
01:23:58 <oerjan> as in, norwegian ø definitely _feels_ more open when short than long.
01:24:44 <oerjan> there's also the question of rounding: compressed lips or protruded?
01:24:55 <hppavilion[1]> IPA using æ and œ for monophthongs is weird. If permitted at all, they should only be allowed as a stylistic ligature of [ae] and [oe] respectively, and that would be discouraged
01:26:27 <oerjan> æ is actually a monophthong in norwegian hth
01:26:45 <oerjan> and it's pronounced very like the ipa version
01:29:23 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Because it's clearly an a and an e glued together in a horrible frankenletter
01:30:09 <oerjan> that's how several other letters originated.
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01:30:17 <oerjan> including the ¨diacritics
01:31:33 <oerjan> well the umlaut version, anyway
01:32:17 <hppavilion[1]> It has been declared that all diacritics must be included in their name.
01:41:25 <hppavilion[1]> Probabilistic Combinatorics seems like an interesting field.
01:41:35 <hppavilion[1]> Or, idea of a field. Not sure if it's a thing yet.
01:42:12 <oerjan> combinatorics is used a lot in probability.
01:44:23 <boily> Taneb: oerjan answered truely.
01:45:43 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I'm trying to find the equation for the general case of the birthday problem; essentially, n-choose-repeating-k-and-check-for-probability-of-repeats
01:48:07 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I think the odds might be something like (n choose k)/(n!), where p > 1 includes probability of repetition
01:50:01 <oerjan> tip: calculate the number of choices _without_ repeats, and subtract.
01:50:41 <HackEgo> octarine//Octarine is a black variety of peach, from which the color is named.
01:51:54 <Taneb> Peach is a princess who hangs out with a plumber sometimes. Shigeru Miyamoto invented her.
01:52:47 <shachaf> Taneb: don't try to pass off your inventions on other people
01:52:52 <oerjan> i vaguely thought they'd never actually met, or something.
01:53:13 <Taneb> `? people who taneb is not
01:53:15 <HackEgo> elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond
01:53:23 <Taneb> shachaf, is Shigeru Miyamoto on that list?
01:54:18 <shachaf> Is Shigeru Miyamoto elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, or James Bond?
01:54:28 <HackEgo> `slwd <wisdom name>//<sed script>
01:54:54 <boily> `slwd people who taneb is not//s/$/. Pending approval: Shigeru Miyamoto./
01:54:56 <HackEgo> people who taneb is not//elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond. Pending approval: Shigeru Miyamoto.
01:55:09 <Taneb> In any case it is well past time for me to go to bed
02:03:33 <HackEgo> epsilon//epsilon stands for Extensible Platform of Integrated Languages for Model Management (EPILMM)
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02:12:14 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: So that would be... n!-(n choose k) possible ways of satisfying it?
02:14:51 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, one can make a gamma variant of n choose k using «n choose k = n!/k!(n-k)!», treating n! as Γ(n++)
02:21:46 <zzo38> What is the maximum amount of power a bank (or other) security system can take without being damaged?
02:27:51 <zzo38> This can apply to more than just security systems; anyy system with backup power.
02:28:35 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: no, n^k - k! (n choose k) hth
02:30:28 <boily> hezzo38. bank, as in the physical building?
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02:37:36 <zzo38> (Not even necessarily a bank; it could be any physical building with a security system that may have backup power)
02:43:03 <Jafet> the general case would have multiple repeating items, each with its own multiplicity
02:43:46 <hppavilion[1]> TIL ~36.7879% of permutations are also derangements
03:31:04 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0xXDlsoZIc
03:42:14 <zzo38> Epic Fail {UU} Instant ;; Epic
04:56:09 <HackEgo> U+0020 SPACE \ UTF-8: 20 UTF-16BE: 0020 Decimal:   \ \ Category: Zs (Separator, Space) \ Bidi: WS (Whitespace) \ \ U+0CA0 KANNADA LETTER TTHA \ UTF-8: e0 b2 a0 UTF-16BE: 0ca0 Decimal: ಠ \ ಠ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
04:56:34 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: (that's the symbol in the look of disapproval)
05:01:42 <zzo38> How many fonts are including Kannada alphabets mainly because of such purpose?
05:02:11 <\oren\> ok, it'll be in my next release along with ಥ_ಥ
05:02:33 <shachaf> I thought you were Kannadian.
05:10:12 <\oren\> anything else I should add?
05:11:31 <\oren\> I wonder if those letters are used more than the entire rest of that alphabet combined?
05:12:38 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Probably. ರ_ರ makes for prophetic look of disapproval.
05:13:03 * \oren\ scrolls through Unicode, and notices that Tibetan has four swastikas in it
05:13:17 <zzo38> You need more than two swastikas?
05:13:39 <\oren\> yes, it has both chiral forms with and without dots
05:13:47 <pikhq> For to make America great again?
05:13:50 <hppavilion[1]> Well, only the ones not being used for educational, artistic, or anti-fascist purposes
05:13:55 <zzo38> That makes sense why you need four.
05:14:13 <hppavilion[1]> So I can properly dispose of them with other fascist symbols.
05:20:34 <HackEgo> [U+202E RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE]
05:20:42 <HackEgo> U+202E RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE \ UTF-8: e2 80 ae UTF-16BE: 202e Decimal: ‮ \ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: RLO (Right-to-Left Override)
05:20:52 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzu15ZezipE
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06:27:13 <hppavilion[1]> What exactly is the difference between allthetropes.org and tvtropes.org?
06:27:29 <chatter> sun is not doing allah is doing
06:27:35 <chatter> moon is not doing allah is doing
06:27:44 <chatter> stars are not doing allah is doing
06:27:50 <chatter> planets are not doing allah is doing
06:27:58 <chatter> galaxies are not doing allah is doing
06:28:04 <chatter> oceans are not doing allah is doing
06:28:11 <chatter> mountains are not doing allah is doing
06:28:18 <chatter> trees are not doing allah is doing
06:28:24 <chatter> mom is not doing allah is doing
06:28:28 <chatter> dad is not doing allah is doing
06:28:34 <chatter> boss is not doing allah is doing
06:28:37 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ops: not found
06:28:39 <chatter> job is not doing allah is doing
06:28:52 <chatter> dollar is not doing allah is doing
06:29:01 <chatter> degree is not doing allah is doing
06:29:07 <chatter> medicine is not doing allah is doing
06:29:14 <chatter> customers are not doing allah is doing
06:29:25 <alercah> hppavilion[1]: allthetropes is a fork due to disagreement over licensing terms
06:29:32 <chatter> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
06:29:46 <chatter> you can not get married without the permission of allah
06:30:02 <chatter> nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
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06:30:16 * hppavilion[1] gets angry at chatter without the permission of allah
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06:30:33 * hppavilion[1] gets angry at chatter without the permission of allah
06:31:09 <alercah> hppavilion[1]: also apparently att alleges censorship on tvt
06:31:16 <alercah> https://allthetropes.org/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Why_Fork_TV_Tropes
06:31:28 <chatter> light is not doing allah is doing
06:31:33 <chatter> fan is not doing allah is doing
06:31:39 <chatter> businessess are not doing allah is doing
06:31:46 <chatter> america is not doing allah is doing
06:32:01 <chatter> fire can not burn without the permission of allah
06:32:34 <chatter> knife can not cut without the permission of allah
06:32:40 <chatter> rulers are not doing allah is doing
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06:32:48 <chatter> governments are not doing allah is doing
06:32:54 <chatter> sleep is not doing allah is doing
06:33:02 <chatter> hunger is not doing allah is doing
06:33:21 <chatter> food does not take away the hunger allah takes away the hunger
06:33:49 <hppavilion[1]> MetaNova: We seem to be under attack from a wannabe isis jihadi right now. E just comes off as kind of pathetic.
06:34:47 <lambdabot> Local time for \oren\ is Mon Nov 28 06:36:20 2016
06:35:10 <alercah> local time for oren is 1:30
06:35:24 <alercah> there are insufficient ops in this channel
06:35:52 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Mon Nov 28 06:35:51 2016
06:36:09 <shachaf> ais523 isn't European anymore.
06:36:51 <hppavilion[1]> @tell oerjan At the moment, there seems to be a wannabe jihadi in the channel spamming with several hundred "<blank> is not doing allah is doing" and "<blank> can not <blankize> without allah's permission" and such.
06:37:00 <alercah> also... it's 1:30, time for me to sleep
06:37:32 <hppavilion[1]> @tell oerjan It has been determined that the channel has insufficient ops farther to the west. hyh.
06:39:20 <hppavilion[1]> Only on this channel though. Needs to learn /allchan.
06:39:27 <chatter> water does not take away the thirst allah takes away the thirst
06:39:33 <chatter> seeing is not doing allah is doing
06:39:42 <chatter> hearing is not doing allah is doing
06:39:48 <chatter> seasons are not doing allah is doing
06:39:54 <chatter> weather is not doing allah is doing
06:39:59 <hppavilion[1]> chatter: I need some bacon, you keep going while I'm gone
06:39:59 <chatter> humans are not doing allah is doing
06:40:13 <chatter> animals are not doing allah is doing
06:40:29 <shachaf> off to read about lady chatterley
06:40:40 <chatter> the best amongst you is he who learns the quran and teaches it
06:41:06 <chatter> one letter read from book of allah amounts to one good deed and allah multiplies one good deed ten times
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06:42:10 <chatter> hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of quran and rememberance of death
06:42:18 <chatter> heart is likened to a mirror
06:42:20 <shachaf> FireFly is also an op and also European.
06:42:37 <chatter> when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart
06:42:50 <MetaNova> FireFly isn't on the access list
06:43:26 <chatter> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
06:43:55 <shachaf> I don't know how the freenode-staff thing works.
06:43:56 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, I think my mother is government enough that she can send the DHS after chatter
06:44:05 <MetaNova> shachaf: the freenode-staff is a pseudo-account
06:44:15 <MetaNova> it's not a real person and isn't actually used for anything besides a placeholder
06:44:27 <hppavilion[1]> Where in 6dc98929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.201.137.41 do I get useful information?
06:44:39 <MetaNova> if you wanted to grant all freenode staff channel operator status, you should have added *!*@freenode/staff/*
06:44:50 <MetaNova> hppavilion[1]: the most useful part of all that is 109.201.137.41
06:45:08 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: none of your jokes have been funny and you should stop hth
06:45:38 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I'm not trying to make jokes right now- oh, the bacon thing? yeah, tdh
06:45:42 <MetaNova> it's a Netherlands IP address, DHS wouldn't really work :P
06:46:22 <chatter> read book http://www.fazaileamaal.com
06:46:22 <\oren\> I'm awake I'm just busy watching... some stuff
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06:46:47 <chatter> read book http://www.muntakhabahadith.com
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06:48:28 <chatter> need spiritual teacher visit http://www.alhaadi.org.za
06:48:37 <chatter> allah created the sky without any pillars
06:49:02 <chatter> allah makes the sun rise from the east and allah makes the sun set in the west
06:49:17 <chatter> allah makes the day into the night and allah makes the night into the day
06:49:22 <\oren\> Nay, that is the chariot of Helios
06:49:28 <shachaf> Why are you telling him that?
06:49:49 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: I'm not an op BTW
06:49:56 <shachaf> Yes, that's been established.
06:50:03 <\oren\> so the best I can do is some half assed torlling
06:50:04 <chatter> allah goves life and allah gives death
06:54:35 <chatter> allah gives life and allah gives death
06:54:47 <chatter> all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless
06:55:24 <chatter> allah is the doer of each and everything
06:55:32 <chatter> when allah wants us to stand we stand
06:55:40 <chatter> when allah wants us to sit we sit
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06:55:48 <chatter> i am not doing allah is doing
06:55:54 <chatter> you are not doing allah is doing
06:56:01 <chatter> atom bomb is not doing allah is doing
06:56:06 <chatter> rice is not doing allah is doing
06:56:07 <\oren\> doing doing doing doing doing
06:56:20 <chatter> all creation get together can not create one grain of rice
06:56:28 <chatter> all humans get together can not stop rain
06:56:41 <chatter> all humans get together can not make anybody hungry
06:56:57 <\oren\> doing╭╮doing╭╮doing╭╮doing
06:58:35 <chatter> all humans get together can not move sun one second up or down
06:58:47 <chatter> we can not count the hair on our head
06:58:55 <chatter> we can not count the rain drops
06:59:04 <chatter> we can not count the particles of sand
06:59:17 <chatter> medicine has no power to cure
06:59:32 <chatter> two people take same medicine one passes away and one does not
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06:59:52 <chatter> degree has no power to give job
06:59:52 <shachaf> Did you know it's a federal crime to engage in weather modification activity in the United States without submitting reports to the Secretary of Commerce?
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07:24:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ObCode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50418&oldid=50413 * Keymaker * (+4) Linking truth-machine to its article.
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07:28:04 <hppavilion[1]> Redacted all the names and sensitive info, rared it
07:30:02 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Your half-assed torlling has been sufficient.
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08:04:19 <izalove> dragonball super in a nutshell:
08:04:24 <izalove> let's take all the old characters
08:04:31 <izalove> and by all i mean even the dead ones
08:04:44 <izalove> and by new skins i mean new hair
08:06:22 <izalove> actually krilling must be bald because reasons, so just make it bald again when he goes to fight
08:06:46 <myname> the krillin story is hilarious
08:07:22 <myname> db: "i wish i could grow hair", dbz: "nah, i just shaved regularly"
08:08:09 <izalove> i'm betting he had a hair transplant
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08:46:53 <HackEgo> Your esteemoologist wise mementolwrd oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Glaswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
08:56:06 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your esteemoologist wise mementolwrd oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Glasswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
09:09:43 <Jafet> apparently this does happen outside of dwarven fortresses: “In 1905, engineers working on an irrigation canal in southern California accidentally released the waters of the Colorado River into a formerly dry basin, creating a large saline lake known as the Salton Sea.”
09:17:21 <fizzie> I saw that spam on another channel too.
09:17:36 <shachaf> I've seen it in many channels.
09:17:40 <fizzie> It made "doing" stop sounding like a real word.
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09:19:35 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: Which other channel, and was it the same nick?
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09:20:17 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: #xmonad, I think.
09:20:47 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: And it was Guest_84774!779f3d76@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.119.159.61.118 then.
09:22:52 <shachaf> i believe fizzie is capable of comparing ip addresses hth
09:23:12 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Yeah, but I don't know if he saw the original ip address tdnh
09:24:13 <shachaf> well, he was able to look back to #xmonad logs to look at the user there
09:24:34 <shachaf> but it's true that looking up the screen may be more difficult
09:24:57 <shachaf> why am i even doing this, though?
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09:43:08 <b_jonas> hpp: the Europe/Paris timezone
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11:37:38 <HackEgo> protocol//protocol is not to be confused with protocoal
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12:20:29 <Taneb> I've seen similar spam in #dwarffortress before
12:39:35 <APic> How again can i leave a Message to someone not currently here?
12:40:38 * APic wants to write moony that Discord is proprietary, centralized, and probably records all Conversations on the Server. Also „We also added Virus Scanning, which will automatically scan uploaded executables and archives to mak
12:40:42 <APic> e sure they're safe.
12:40:52 <APic> So: Everything goes through the servers and is indexed
12:41:24 <APic> So maybe Discord has a Voicechat You can use without paying Money, but it is absolutely not _free_. You are paying with Your Privacy.
12:42:23 <Jafet> sounds pretty cheap, then
12:47:58 <b_jonas> Is it just me, or is Skype for win32 has an interface specifically designed such that it's hard to find the option to (just exit skype damnit)?
12:48:48 <b_jonas> I mean, a normal win32 windowed interface would have a menu entry for that in the leftmost pulldown menu, and skype has a pulldown menu, but there's no such command there.
12:49:03 <b_jonas> izalove: I specifically said the win32 interface. this doesn't apply to the linux interface, that's different.
12:49:07 <FireFly> Taneb: sure, the allah spambot usually hits random public channels, it's been a long problem
12:49:13 <b_jonas> (the two guis differ slightly)
12:49:30 <b_jonas> izalove: besides, it's more than one process, so it might not help
12:50:15 <b_jonas> izalove: to kill firefox, you may have to killall firefox-bin or killall iceweasel depending on the version you have.
12:51:09 <izalove> pkill firefox kills all processes named firefox
12:51:42 <b_jonas> izalove: but these processes are named iceweasel or firefox-bin, not firefox
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13:14:13 <APic> Jafet: Cheaper than Skype, yah
13:15:20 <APic> !tell moony Discord is proprietary, centralized, and probably records all Conversations on the Server. Also „We also added Virus Scanning, which will automatically scan uploaded executables and archives to make sure they're safe.“ So: Everything goes through the Servers and is indexed; so maybe Discord has a Voicechat You can use without paying Money, but it is absolutely not _free_. You are paying
13:15:26 <APic> with Your Privacy.
13:15:30 <APic> Was it „!tell“? Probably not.
13:15:52 <lambdabot> tell <nick> <message>. When <nick> shows activity, tell them <message>.
13:16:24 <FireFly> hmm, low-99 high-66 quotes, very „German“
13:17:10 <APic> @tell moony Discord is proprietary, centralized, and probably records all Conversations. Also „We also added Virus Scanning, which will automatically scan uploaded executables and archives to make sure they're safe.“ So: Everything goes through the Servers and is indexed; so maybe it has a Voicechat You can use without paying Money, but it is absolutely not _free_. You are paying with Your Privacy.
13:17:21 <APic> Thanks Gals/Guys.
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13:50:33 <b_jonas> In image editing software, what is the relation or difference between Corel Painter and Corel Photopaint? Are they the same product renamed? If not, why are there two of them by the same manufacturer?
13:51:19 <b_jonas> hmm... this probably isn't the right channel for that
13:52:54 <myname> why is there a whole software suite from adobe?
13:54:08 <b_jonas> myname: because not all of those are raster image editors.
13:54:33 <b_jonas> myname: but I'm not asking about Corel Draw or Corel WordPerfect now
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13:58:08 <b_jonas> ah, it gets more complicated. Corel also has Paintshop Pro ...
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15:08:21 <b_jonas> \oren\: do you happen to know if there's a specific character different from the middle dot "·" to encode a high dot, in older math text where a dot "." is used as a multiplication text and the high dot is used as a decimal point?
15:09:33 <b_jonas> Or is that just a different style of the middle dot?
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16:24:11 <\oren\> Bowserinator: I'm not sure there is one
16:24:27 <\oren\> *b_jonas: I'm not sure there is one
16:24:38 <\oren\> oh, I see, he isn't here
16:24:58 <\oren\> @tell b_jonas I'm not sure there is a high dot math character
16:26:10 <HackEgo> U+2E33 RAISED DOT \ UTF-8: e2 b8 b3 UTF-16BE: 2e33 Decimal: ⸳ \ ⸳ \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
16:26:32 <\oren\> @tell b_jonas but maybe this one from general punctuation is it ⸳
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16:27:33 <\oren\> b_jonas but irssi refuses to tab complete your name for some reason
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16:30:03 <\oren\> I wonder whether it was a good idea to make bold fraktur instead render as uncial
16:32:56 <\oren\> oh, and I don't even have the full alphabet in that set yet...
16:33:42 <\oren\> 𝖆𝖙 𝖑𝖊𝖆𝖘𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖑𝖔𝖜𝖊𝖗𝖈𝖆𝖘𝖊 𝖚𝖓𝖈𝖎𝖆𝖑 𝖎𝖘 𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖕𝖑𝖊𝖙𝖊
16:33:52 <b_jonas> \oren\: does any math stuff even use the distinction between letters in script font, caligraphic, fraktur, blackletter, etc? I thought people just have roman, italic, bold, sometimes bold italic, double-struck (blackboard bold), sans serif, and ONE fancy font that could be script or caligraphic or fraktur or anything.
16:34:22 <b_jonas> So basically in math stuff, fraktur vs caligraphic vs script is a choice of preference, not different meanings.
16:34:24 <\oren\> yeah, I have'nt seen anyone use both fraktur and script, of the same letter
16:35:06 <\oren\> and I've never seen anyone distinguish bold and non bold frakture
16:35:22 <b_jonas> And this is, of course, apart from using lower and uppercase, and latin and greek letters, and all sorts of math accents and indexes
16:35:52 <b_jonas> Plus digits and various non-alphabetic letter-like characters.
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16:41:17 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] oh god, and just before i left i was pondering whether to ban chatter preemptively for quit/join spamming
16:43:24 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] getting the impression they were just waiting for me to leave...
16:43:53 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ops: not found
16:46:25 <lambdabot> hppavilion[1] said 10h 9m 33s ago: At the moment, there seems to be a wannabe jihadi in the channel spamming with several hundred "<blank> is not doing allah is doing" and "<blank> can not <blankize>
16:46:25 <lambdabot> without allah's permission" and such.
16:46:25 <lambdabot> hppavilion[1] said 10h 8m 53s ago: It has been determined that the channel has insufficient ops farther to the west. hyh.
16:47:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ops: not found
16:48:26 <b_jonas> \oren\: no, \x{2E33} isn't the right character. that one is lower than a \x{B7}. The one I'm thinking of is higher, as in, it's placed almost as high as the top of modern style digits.
16:48:33 <oerjan> `le/rn ops///msg Chanserv access list #esoteric
16:48:36 <HackEgo> Learned 'ops': //msg Chanserv access list #esoteric
16:49:03 <oerjan> `le/rn ops//msg Chanserv access list #esoteric
16:49:05 <HackEgo> Relearned 'ops': /msg Chanserv access list #esoteric
16:49:14 <oerjan> only one should remain
16:49:48 <oerjan> `le/rn ops//msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
16:49:50 <HackEgo> Relearned 'ops': /msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
16:54:33 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] Which makes me suspect it was just an old channel troll.
17:00:16 <oerjan> @tell shachaf <shachaf> ais523 isn't European anymore. <-- that sounds ... unlikely, given his stated aversion to moving.
17:00:30 <oerjan> @tell shachaf oh wait missed the brexit joke
17:02:07 <oerjan> `learn Birmingham is a city in England. We're planning to turn it into a floating island so ais523 can get around a bit more.
17:02:10 <HackEgo> Learned 'birmingham': Birmingham is a city in England. We're planning to turn it into a floating island so ais523 can get around a bit more.
17:03:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 3m 30s ago: <shachaf> ais523 isn't European anymore. <-- that sounds ... unlikely, given his stated aversion to moving.
17:03:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 3m 17s ago: oh wait missed the brexit joke
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17:50:17 <otherbot> {user},potash,sentence,randint,cmdtest,help,undefined,lol,jstest,{jsd1},hispam
17:51:35 <otherbot> moonythedwarf just got 15 potash.
17:51:41 <otherbot> {user} just got {rand20} potash.
17:52:12 <otherbot> {dc} console.log("hi {user}"*1000){ds}
17:52:46 <otherbot> hi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarfhi moonythedwarf |
17:54:04 <moonythedwarf> iovoid is working on adding embedded commands to it
17:54:23 <moonythedwarf> so far, i think JS is turing complete, so this probably is too, because it can run JS :P
17:55:34 <HackEgo> /msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
17:57:42 <iovoid> moonythedwarf, well, JS always could run JS
17:57:51 <iovoid> Its just that nobody is crazy enought to do it
18:01:07 <oerjan> `learn @learn @messages-loud @messages-fond @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold @messages-good @messages-gold
18:01:09 <HackEgo> Learned '@learn': @learn @messages-loud @messages-fond @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold @messages-good @messages-gold
18:01:35 <oerjan> `learn @messages-loud @messages-fond @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold @messages-good @messages-gold
18:01:38 <HackEgo> Learned '@messages-loud': @messages-loud @messages-fond @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold @messages-good @messages-gold
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18:01:45 <shachaf> oerjan: that doesn't rhyme at all tdnh
18:02:24 <oerjan> stupid english, which words are wrong?
18:04:04 <shachaf> i was rhyming the ends of the lines
18:04:15 <shachaf> but you have unmarked sublines inside them
18:06:59 <oerjan> `learn @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
18:07:01 <HackEgo> Relearned '@messages-loud': @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond / @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found / @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
18:07:33 <oerjan> but how do i mark the stanzas then?
18:07:58 <HackEgo> :everyone: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) \ adopted:"Oh l
18:08:38 <HackEgo> 2/35:) \ adopted:"Oh lord, we've adopted another one." (about Emily) => Marten realizes what kind of webcomic he lives in in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298 \ agdq:AGDQ is Awesome Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity every winter, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdone
18:08:51 <shachaf> But I think that's not very standard.
18:08:55 <HackEgo> higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed
18:09:08 <shachaf> That's not even a good higgledy piggledy.
18:09:12 <oerjan> `learn @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
18:09:15 <HackEgo> Relearned '@messages-loud': @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
18:09:32 <shachaf> i,i "Jade plate, / Six, eight. / Fire that burns hot, / Night that is not. / Fire that burns cold, / First silver, then gold."
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18:27:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50419&oldid=50417 * Oerjan * (+606) /* Scrapping dummies */ new section
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18:45:14 <oerjan> <fizzie> I saw that spam on another channel too. <-- ah, i guess the spam starting the same minute i had left was just Allah's doing, then.
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18:48:06 <oerjan> <shachaf> why am i even doing this, though? <-- i think chatter made that quite clear hth
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18:50:51 <shachaf> oerjan: i am not doing tdh
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18:52:00 <shachaf> shachaf is not doing fungot is doing
18:52:00 <fungot> shachaf: they say that nethack is just a touch of his legendary conversation with solon of athens, who impressed upon him the dark water boiled, and will cut him off from it created heaven and taken up residence on earth. he is a force for good.
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19:05:18 <oerjan> @tell \oren\ <\oren\> b_jonas but irssi refuses to tab complete your name for some reason <-- it doesn't work if there's punctuation touching the nick hth
19:06:29 <oerjan> even if the punctuation is not legal in nicks
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19:15:20 * oerjan finds himself laughing out loud at a SROMG inside joke http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/
19:19:04 <moonythedwarf> what language does the BYOND engine use? im looking at baystation12 (a SS13 codebase) and i cant really tell
19:23:13 <HackEgo> A heffalump is similar to a lump of sugar, but with honey instead.
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20:00:27 <hppavilion[1]> I think Scotland should start issuing and immediately revoking citizenships
20:00:32 <lambdabot> oerjan said 3h 19m 15s ago: oh god, and just before i left i was pondering whether to ban chatter preemptively for quit/join spamming
20:00:32 <lambdabot> oerjan said 3h 17m 8s ago: getting the impression they were just waiting for me to leave...
20:00:32 <lambdabot> oerjan said 3h 5m 58s ago: Which makes me suspect it was just an old channel troll.
20:01:03 <hppavilion[1]> @tell oerjan Yeah, but now I've submitted the [redacted] laws to the DHS, so...
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20:15:00 <\oren\> doing doing doing doing
20:15:29 <shachaf> \oren\ is not doing oerjan is doing
20:15:56 <\oren\> boing doing toing poing
20:16:30 <HackEgo> @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
20:19:43 <shachaf> I was going to send oerjan one message for each of those things.
20:19:53 <shachaf> But I decided it would be too much of a messages-flood
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20:27:18 <int-e> @cwlprits @messages-loud
20:27:20 <int-e> `cwlprits @messages-loud
20:35:07 <shachaf> @tell oerjan http://slbkbs.org/loud.txt hth
20:40:16 <HackEgo> Your esteemoologist wise mementolwrd oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Glasswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:40:36 <shachaf> `slwd oerjan//s#mementolwrd#@messages-lord#
20:40:39 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your esteemoologist wise @messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Glasswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:49:42 <HackEgo> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. \ 673:2012-08-27 <shachäf> run echo "Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian." >wisdom/oerjan \ 1000:2012-12-09 <FreeFul̈l> revert 0 \ 1001:2012-12-09 <oerjän> revert 999 \ 1493:2013-01-12 <FreeFul̈l> revert 4 \ 1497:2013-01-12 <ellioẗt> revert 1492 \ 2649:2013-
20:51:27 <shachaf> `slwrjan s#esteemoologist ##; s#suture complication#future computation#; s#passionfruitly ##; s#Lately w#W#
20:51:29 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your wise @messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. When he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:53:27 <shachaf> `slwrjan s#\S\+ \S\+ #Your humble#
20:53:29 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your humble@messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. When he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:53:47 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
20:53:49 <shachaf> `slwrjan s#\S\+ \S\+ #Your humble #
20:53:51 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your humble @messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. When he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:56:16 <shachaf> That one's not even in the file.
20:57:29 <shachaf> I'll get a bigger words file.
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21:02:44 <wob_jonas> shachaf: try http://wordlist.aspell.net/12dicts/ for a set of high quality English word lists
21:02:47 <shachaf> `` dowt oerjan | grep convenience
21:02:54 <HackEgo> 5171:2014-11-27 <oerjän> learn_append oerjan He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
21:03:05 <shachaf> I just got one from apt-get.
21:03:56 <shachaf> `slwrjan s#When he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up.#He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.#
21:03:58 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your humble @messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
21:04:56 <shachaf> `slwrjan s#e\.#e; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember.#
21:05:00 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your humble @messages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
21:08:56 <shachaf> `` dowt oerjan | grep rock
21:08:59 <HackEgo> 6365:2015-12-09 <oerjän> learn_append oerjan His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. \ 8986:2016-08-29 <shachäf> slwd oerjan//s/Crocker/&, and his secret weakness is heffalumps and woozles./
21:52:20 <\oren\> astornaut emoji are ehe!
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22:48:54 <zzo38> Please write the information of ARGENTOS esolang also English
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22:55:52 <HackEgo> 2600//2600 Hz is the tone made by Captain Crunch's whistle.
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22:59:35 <Zarutian> oy! There is a slight misconception in that wisdom cookie! You need to cover a certain hole on it to make that tone when you blow it.
23:00:41 <HackEgo> 2600//2600 Hz is a tone made by Captain Crunch's whistle.
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23:11:16 <HackEgo> schaf//"Schaf" is german for "sheep". There is absolutely no relation to shachaf.
23:11:32 <HackEgo> 7066:2016-03-02 <int-̈e> le/rn schaf/"Schaf" is german for "sheep". There is absolutely no relation to shachaf.
23:16:57 <HackEgo> piet//Piet is a really colorful programming language.
23:17:26 <shachaf> Piet is a really colorful programming language.
23:19:21 <boily> colour is a bitch to typeset.
23:19:54 <HackEgo> lie algebra//A Lie algebra is what you get if you take the region infinitesimally close to the identity of a Lie group and blow it up to normal size.
23:19:55 <HackEgo> füngöt//Füngöt is the German pronunciation of fungot.
23:19:56 <HackEgo> monqy//monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, if you find him.
23:19:56 <HackEgo> toe//The TOE is the Toe of Everything, from which our universe sprang.
23:19:56 <HackEgo> tur//To tur is not to flas.
23:20:07 <HackEgo> 6173:2015-11-02 <oerjän> le/rn lie algebra/A Lie algebra is what you get if you take the region infinitesimally close to the identity of a Lie group and blow it up to normal size.
23:20:13 <HackEgo> 7531:2016-04-24 <boil̈y> learn monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, if you find him. \ 7530:2016-04-24 <quintopïa> learn monqy is no longer extant \ 199:2012-04-08 <ellioẗt> revert \ 198:2012-04-08 <oerjän> revert 193 \ 183:2012-04-07 <ellioẗt> run echo 'hi monqy' >wisdom/m
23:20:25 <HackEgo> mnoqy used to be monqy before the earthquake.
23:21:52 <boily> The TOE sprung Taneb, and Taneb sprung everything.
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23:36:16 <HackEgo> hovercraft//a-é-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you'll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner.
23:37:30 <HackEgo> 3064:2013-06-05 <boil̈y> echo "a-\xc3\xa9-ro-g-liss-e-ur. If you mention eels, you\'ll get smacked with one of them in a most unappropriate manner." >wisdom/hovercraft
23:37:41 <HackEgo> 1/2:testing// \ whom//See: who \ extreme irony//Extreme irony is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing. \ functor//Functors are just morphisms in the category of small categories. \ funpun//funpuns fceø fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Gur havg bs sha c
23:37:49 <HackEgo> 2/2:haarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
23:38:44 <HackEgo> Who cares about ancient cases anyway?
23:39:09 <HackEgo> functor//Functors are morphisms in the category of small categories.
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23:46:11 <shachaf> That's the scow of definitions.
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23:50:03 <HackEgo> Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
23:53:33 <boily> scowscowscowscow ♪
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