00:00:00 <ybden> I should learn TTF
00:00:09 <ybden> Was already writing code for BDF parsing
00:00:37 <\oren\> ybden: editing it with fontforge, which is fine, but fontforge is very slow at the conversion
00:01:49 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2ttf.c.htm
00:02:27 <\oren\> I should probably add a switch that disables the diagnostic output
00:03:32 <ybden> \oren\: why does your website not use your font for that file?
00:03:38 <ybden> it did, but took ages to load
00:03:58 <\oren\> currently, this program is also very specific to my font
00:04:11 <\oren\> I'll eventually get around to generalizing it
00:05:11 * ybden bookmarks bdf2ttf.c.htm
00:06:22 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Can I get the source for http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2ttf.c.htm in a text file so I don't have to mess with view source? Preferably at http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2ttf.c.htm.txt? :P
00:07:30 <ybden> hppavilion[1]: remove the .htm
00:07:33 <ybden> hppavilion[1]: there's a link at the top
00:08:09 <ybden> “generated html version of bdf2ttf.c”, where bdf2ttf.c is a link
00:08:43 <hppavilion[1]> ybden: Wait, I mean I want the source of the *html* page
00:09:22 <ybden> Why don't you just download it
00:10:18 <hppavilion[1]> ybden: I'm making a joke about how many extensions there are
00:10:35 <\oren\> right-click -> view age source?
00:11:48 <\oren\> I don't have a program that does highlighting for htm yet
00:12:08 <\oren\> if I had one, you could go to bdf2ttf.c.htm.htm
00:12:20 <hppavilion[1]> ybden: My next thing was to say I need an image of the source (for... some reason), and to request bdf2ttf.c.htm.txt.png, bdf2ttf.c.htm.txt.jpg, and bdf2ttf.c.htm.txt.gif
00:15:31 <FireFly> <\oren\> if I had one, you could go to bdf2ttf.c.htm.htm ← wait, does the webserver do that on-the-fly, or is it a statically generated file?
00:16:29 <\oren\> hence the horrible horrible output
00:16:55 <\oren\> which uses a horrible css trick
00:17:12 <\oren\> pre > span.m91, :not(span) > span.m91 {color:red;}
00:18:00 <\oren\> essentially to prevent numbers inside strings getting highlighted, the outermost color gets precedence by cSS
00:18:54 <FireFly> I just boringly use vim :TOhtml to generate static syntax-coloured files... which is a bit wasteful though
00:19:22 <FireFly> since the highlighted file is going to be bigger than the plaintext file, and I upload both
00:20:48 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/c2htm.sed.htm
00:22:46 <\oren\> notice that crap i had to go through to handle & and ; correctly
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00:32:29 <fizzie> \oren\: You're missing a bunch of keywords (auto, const, default, else, inline, register, signed, sizeof, typedef, unsigned, volatile) there.
00:33:01 <fizzie> (Some of them arguably a little marginal, but e.g. "else" isn't particularly rare.)
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00:41:08 <FireFly> nor default, typedef, sizeof and unsigned
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00:41:40 <FireFly> hehe, that is a brief sed script though
00:42:54 <FireFly> \oren\: wait wait wait, consider int foo = 1&
00:45:45 <FireFly> Speaking of sed, I implemented GoL the other day: https://gist.github.com/FireyFly/f3ceffe4feb7cbf0fae85566b4ebbb30
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01:05:09 <oerjan> <FireFly> I just boringly use vim :TOhtml [...] <-- wait, wait, this changes EVERYTHING
01:11:13 <boily> mhelloony, hellørjan.
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01:34:04 <\oren\> i hope i can also figure out how to minimize thd size of the glyf table
01:38:33 <lambdabot> oerjan said 1d 6h 33m 14s ago: <\oren\> b_jonas but irssi refuses to tab complete your name for some reason <-- it doesn't work if there's punctuation touching the nick hth
01:39:19 <boily> fungot: can you autocomplete?
01:39:20 <fungot> boily: cave*man, human were*, *were: in asiatic folktale, jackal provides for the faeries' shoemaker and is known that," said boromir. " you know, people thought that fire created salamanders. when invoked it has multiple arms, and the screeching one cat stood up and move himself into another gale of laughter. she was once killed by an earthquake. only the beginning of lactation in ewes and was not, have very detailed short-ter
01:41:12 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: they say that monsters never step on cursed items. you die... ( the pit and the only one way to divert his captor's attention and vanishes in the form of the gods against the windowpanes. ( encyclopedia mythica, ed. m.f. lindemans)
01:41:27 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
01:42:08 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
01:42:20 <fungot> Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII)
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01:58:16 <boily> hppavellon[1]. are you human?
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01:59:15 <shachaf> \oren\: please see http://slbkbs.org/loud.txt hth
02:01:45 <boily> hellochaf. that is one useful list there. tdh.
02:02:22 <oerjan> boily: twitter thinks not hth
02:04:02 <oerjan> apparently wiktionary knows
02:04:22 <boily> twitter thinks that hppavilion[1] is not human?
02:04:35 <oerjan> boily: it blocked him for being a bot hth
02:05:09 <oerjan> did you ever get that corrected
02:06:04 <oerjan> (assuming that's even possible. i hear stupid megasites have no customer service)
02:06:41 <\oren\> twatter has some customer service by email
02:06:52 <oerjan> `` \? @messages-loud #in case boily haven't seen the inspiration
02:07:07 <HackEgo> @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
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02:09:38 <boily> this is inspirational.
02:33:44 <HackEgo> mroman_//mroman_ is probably mroman but you can never be sure. (NSFW)
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04:16:11 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] Your sequence diverges. note that a_n >= 1, so 1/a_n <= 1, so a_n <= n+1, so a_n >= 1 + 1/2 + ... + 1/(n+1) hth
04:17:31 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] Oops, make that ... + 1/n at the end.
04:18:36 <HackEgo> Your helpful @massages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
04:18:48 <oerjan> HackEgo: you're slow tdnh
04:19:28 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your growling @massages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
04:19:43 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your golfing @massages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
04:20:06 <shachaf> I wanted to make the sed pun hpp thought I made earlier
04:20:10 <oerjan> are you speaking about recent incidents
04:20:22 <shachaf> oerjan: Why aren't you golfing?
04:20:24 <lambdabot> (!!3)<$>transpose[show$foldr(\k a->2*10^2^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..2^n]|n<-[0..]]
04:20:26 <lambdabot> [show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]]
04:20:52 <oerjan> i am golfing incident programs, and you missed my pun tdnh
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04:22:30 <HackEgo> twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand.
04:22:42 <HackEgo> A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
04:22:59 <zgrep> I guess. I don't have bushes nor stoned birds to prove this, though.
04:23:12 <shachaf> That's why the wisdom entry exists.
04:23:25 <shachaf> If you had bushes and stoned birds, you could just verify yourself.
04:24:03 <zgrep> No, I can verify myself without necessitating bushes or stoned birds.
04:27:00 <HackEgo> Endomorphisms are just morphisms which compose with themselves.
04:27:18 <zgrep> I should learn me a category theory from great ev— good.
04:27:35 <oerjan> `learn Endomorphisms are the most final morphisms.
04:27:40 <HackEgo> Relearned 'endomorphism': Endomorphisms are the most final morphisms.
04:28:32 <oerjan> `learn Endomorphisms are just final morphisms.
04:28:36 <HackEgo> Relearned 'endomorphism': Endomorphisms are just final morphisms.
04:29:47 <oerjan> . o O ( finding a category of morphisms for which this is true is left as an exercise for the reader. )
04:30:06 <shachaf> Is final the same as terminal?
04:30:35 <shachaf> There are only two categories in which that's true.
04:31:14 <oerjan> note that to be final, you must be an object.
04:31:34 <shachaf> Oh, I thought you meant the unique arrow the terminal object.
04:31:39 <shachaf> I guess you're talking about a 2-category.
04:32:15 <shachaf> Also, all this Unicode is messing up my final.
04:32:45 <shachaf> Oh, wait, a terminal morphism is something else.
04:32:51 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_property#Formal_definition
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04:35:12 <shachaf> i get the feeling you aren't completely sincere when you say "shocking"
04:46:06 <zzo38> I would want a more versatile way of defining your Magery in GURPS, such as by selecting one from each category: Core, Method, Aspect, Energy. Modifiers can then be applied to each of these.
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05:26:10 <zzo38> Do you like "Enchanted permanent has cumulative upkeep {0}"?
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05:51:00 <shachaf> zzo38: How do you see it being used?
05:51:38 <zzo38> There are two uses. One is you are allowed to sacrifice it during upkeep, other use is to double how many age counters are added.
05:52:15 <zzo38> To something that already has cumulative upkeep
05:52:28 <shachaf> Oh, it's an enchantment. Right.
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05:53:43 <shachaf> It's a shame they don't print cumulative upkeep anymore.
05:54:46 <zzo38> The most recent is Coldsnap set. It doesn't matter too much since we can make the unofficial cards, as this one also unofficial cards
05:54:51 <Perenelle> Cumulative upkeep was broken for a long time
05:55:21 <Perenelle> If you could keep reducing age counters on naked singularity then entire decks except colorless broke uwu
05:56:09 <HackEgo> Perenelle: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
06:02:11 <Perenelle> But my phone can't display color on text chats like this
06:03:04 <HackEgo> Perenelle: Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)
06:06:56 <pledis> why wont this guy meet u p with me
06:07:02 <pledis> anyoen here from perth
06:07:12 <pledis> im qt, sexy, 5'3 and i love lisp!
06:07:53 <zzo38> I care not your height or how sexy you may be or where you are from and I will not meet up with you
06:07:56 <pledis> we can esoteric together
06:10:58 <zzo38> I thought to slightly modify the rules for indirectly phased out permanents; simply, any indirectly phased out permanent cannot phase in normally but will when the permanent it is attached to phases in for any reason. (This is very similar to the existing rule.)
06:11:11 <zzo38> Therefore, the card can be made: Indirectly phase out target permanent.
06:14:58 <zzo38> It will never come back, unless it was attached to a permanent, in which case you can cause the permanent it is attached to to be directly phased out.
06:19:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Esowiki201529A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50425&oldid=43141 * Esowiki201529A * (+66)
06:22:15 <Perenelle> But when it is phased out you have to treat it as though it doesn't exist
06:24:22 <zzo38> Yes, it seems to doesn't exist.
06:26:09 <pikhq> It's better than the headaches that the phased out zone produced, though.
06:28:14 <shachaf> zzo38: Will you meet up with me?
06:28:41 <zzo38> shachaf: No (except possibly by coincidence).
06:29:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Esowiki201529A * moved [[User talk:Esowiki201529A]] to [[User talk:Esowiki201529A/Page1]]
06:30:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Esowiki201529A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50428&oldid=50427 * Esowiki201529A * (+38)
06:32:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Esowiki201529A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50429&oldid=50428 * Esowiki201529A * (+51)
06:33:47 <Perenelle> Pledis just go on straight grindr or gay w/e
06:34:14 <Perenelle> These men will fuck their wives or their computers whatever comes first lol
06:35:38 <zzo38> Yes and I don't care
06:36:55 <Perenelle> Yeah a man has to have to have his priorities
06:52:16 <lambdabot> oerjan said 2h 36m 5s ago: Your sequence diverges. note that a_n >= 1, so 1/a_n <= 1, so a_n <= n+1, so a_n >= 1 + 1/2 + ... + 1/(n+1) hth
06:52:16 <lambdabot> oerjan said 2h 34m 45s ago: Oops, make that ... + 1/n at the end.
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06:56:49 <hppavilion[1]> @tell oerjan I believe pledis is next to be banned, if you check the logs.
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17:28:19 <\oren\> I didn't bother with any truetype hinting programs but maybe it would be fun to learn the truetype hinting language as an exercise
17:30:49 <\oren\> and maybe later I'll make a font that wis written entirely with hints and has no actual data
17:34:02 <\oren\> for those who don't know, Truetype hinting language is a stack-based language
17:34:06 <\oren\> https://developer.apple.com/fonts/TrueType-Reference-Manual/RM05/Chap5.html
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17:50:04 <\oren\> hey, what if I made a compiler from /// into TTF?
17:51:33 <\oren\> or wait maybe that wouldn't work
17:51:53 <\oren\> hey, what if I made an interpreter of /// in TTF?
17:52:57 <\oren\> such that /foo/bar/hoofooloo would render as "hoobarloo" but when copypasted would remain the same
17:56:52 <Taneb> That'd be cool + impressive
17:57:01 <Taneb> What if it infinite loops
17:59:57 <\oren\> then your browser or terminal might crash or something...
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18:24:40 <hppavilion[1]> Today was pretty lazy for Randall. Must have had something else on his mind.
18:24:53 <hppavilion[1]> Given the comic yesterday, I make the obvious conclusion.
18:27:04 <hppavilion[1]> Bowserinator: ...I made the other conclusion, though now I'm having second thoughts
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18:28:06 <hppavilion[1]> My mother had breast cancer back in 2006 (she beat the shit out of it), and has commented that she's mostly infertile (or maybe just having children would be a bad idea because of a larger chance of birth defects (exempli gratia Down Syndrome)) due to all the chemo
18:28:36 <hppavilion[1]> Usually foonetic is listed above freenode, but it isn't today.
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19:13:46 <\oren\> granny smith apples are the best apples
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19:23:06 <int-e> if you like sour apples with little fruity taste...
19:24:23 <int-e> ATM I'm partial to Elstar apples. TIL(*) learned it's an offspring of Golden Delicious which is odd because the latter is just sweet and otherwise quite bland to me. (*) https://www.orangepippin.com/apples/elstar
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19:26:56 <int-e> In any case the list of apple varieties is huge... https://www.orangepippin.com/apples/a
19:27:31 <int-e> So I won't claim that any of them is the best, knowing perhaps a dozen of those varieties.
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19:54:49 <myname> elstar has a nice spot between sweet and sour
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20:00:15 <int-e> . o O ( sweet-sour spot )
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20:02:21 <int-e> `relcome Perenelle
20:02:44 <HackEgo> Perenelle: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
20:02:46 <HackEgo> Your golfing @massages-lord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
20:03:08 <HackEgo> int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger.
20:04:12 <int-e> Maybe a jk is a joke that fell short of being funny.
20:04:20 <int-e> I didn't get "qt".
20:07:44 <int-e> . o O ( fount of terrible typesetting )
20:07:51 <\oren\> `le/rn TTF/TTF is the true typography format. All others are heretical.
20:07:57 <HackEgo> Learned 'ttf': TTF is the true typography format. All others are heretical.
20:09:41 <HackEgo> A is a village in Norway. The BBC invented it by not understanding things on top of letters.
20:10:47 <HackEgo> drug:Drugs are no joke. \ hppavilion1:higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed \ Binary file reflection matches \ ridicule:A ridicule is a tiny particle composed of bad jokes.
20:11:38 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: grump: not found
20:12:10 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches
20:13:51 <int-e> \oren\: you know what that is, right?
20:15:48 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: car: not found
20:15:51 <HackEgo> cat: reflection: No such file or directory
20:15:57 <HackEgo> cat: wisdomreflection: No such file or directory
20:16:00 <\oren\> `cat wisdom/reflection
20:16:29 <\oren\> `rainbow wisdom/reflection
20:16:39 <int-e> `` grep everything wisdom/reflection
20:16:40 <HackEgo> Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
20:17:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/wisdom/reflection: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/wisdom/reflection: cannot execute: Permission denied
20:17:53 <\oren\> `perl wisdom/reflection
20:17:54 <HackEgo> Bareword found where operator expected at wisdom/reflection line 1, near "perl" \ syntax error at wisdom/reflection line 1, near "perl" \ Execution of wisdom/reflection aborted due to compilation errors.
20:18:35 <int-e> `` grep -a everything wisdom/reflection
20:18:37 <HackEgo> grep.-a.everything.wisdom/reflection.
20:19:01 <HackEgo> 0000000 062157 073400 071551 067544 027555 062562 066146 061545 \ 0000020 064564 067157 000000 \ 0000025
20:19:08 <\oren\> `od -c wisdom/reflection
20:19:09 <HackEgo> od: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `od --help' for more information.
20:19:19 <\oren\> `` od -tc wisdom/reflection
20:19:21 <HackEgo> 0000000 o d \0 - t c \0 w i s d o m / r e \ 0000020 f l e c t i o n \0 \ 0000031
20:19:58 <\oren\> so thats why it's a binary file...
20:20:14 <\oren\> `` od -tx1 wisdom/reflection
20:20:16 <HackEgo> 0000000 6f 64 00 2d 74 78 31 00 77 69 73 64 6f 6d 2f 72 \ 0000020 65 66 6c 65 63 74 69 6f 6e 00 \ 0000032
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20:35:27 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
20:36:24 <shachaf> `` mv bin/s{l,}wrjan # no slash
20:39:40 <shachaf> int-e: Does the e in int-e stand for 14 or for electronic?
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20:41:24 <TieSoul> the e in int-e stands for 2.71828182846
20:43:19 <shachaf> Why does it stand for an approximation of e?
20:44:12 <TieSoul> here we go, it stands for 2.71828182846...
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20:45:19 <TieSoul> more accurately it's \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n!}
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21:07:11 <zzo38> I found that the official UHS catalog does support caching for the ZIP archive downloads, although not for the catalog itself.
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21:26:59 <zzo38> Older versions of Mozilla made regular expression objects callable as a function, but that is not standard JavaScript, although I think that would have been better if it was.
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21:42:54 <myname> isn't whatever mozilla does by definition standard js?
21:43:45 <int-e> . o O ( is an anagram of ACME )
21:43:46 <zzo38> I think most of the ECMA stuff is better than what Mozilla did anyways, but this is one exception
21:43:58 <shachaf> Oh, the e in int-e stands for ecma
21:55:19 <myname> if - stands for subtraction, e as euler's constant would make the most sense
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22:27:05 <zzo38> Now FreeUHS includes the program to access the catalog.
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23:22:32 <moonheart08> say i had a string with a backspace in it, how would i remove the backspace and the character directly behind it (left)
23:30:49 <izalove> `` printf '1234\x08\x08\x085' | sed ':;s/.\x08//;t'
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23:54:48 <hppavilion[1]> Can the complexity of a problem O(x) be used with operations I wonder?