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01:59:17 <oerjan> smashing people is not cricket tdnh
02:00:07 <oerjan> also you may be confusing crickets with cockroaches.
02:01:32 <oerjan> if you exterminate crickets you have no conscience
02:01:45 * oerjan wonders if anyone gets his puns
02:03:56 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: smashing people is not cricket [the sport]
02:04:29 <hppavilion[1]> if you exterminate [Jimny- Jiminie- OH FUCK THAT GUY] cricket[] you have no conscience
02:05:05 <oerjan> . o O ( i must be more obscure in the future )
02:31:31 <oerjan> <\oren\> now there's an element named after tennissee?! <-- i'm really wondering what it's going to be called in norwegian. historical custom would suggest "Tenness", but the german and danish wikipedia (which have similar issues) have gone to opposite conclusions of eachother (and i think neither has been approved by any scientists.)
02:31:50 <oerjan> (also Tenness is a horrible word.)
02:31:58 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:32:08 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -tx <<< $'aaaaxbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:32:34 <izalove> it's comparing aaaa with aaaa_bbbb both times
02:32:54 <izalove> but the first time aaaa is sorted before aaaa_bbbb
02:36:25 <oerjan> `` LANG=C sort -s <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:36:41 <oerjan> `` LANG=C sort -s -tx <<< $'aaaaxbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:37:11 <oerjan> izalove: last resort comparison
02:37:36 <fizzie> I don't see any difference in the outputs.
02:38:12 <izalove> same order as what i got without -s
02:39:10 <oerjan> ``` sort -tZ <<< $'aaaaZbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:40:07 <oerjan> izalove: i think it depends on whether the character is before or after _
02:41:50 <oerjan> `` LANG=C sort <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaabbbb'
02:43:03 <oerjan> izalove: it might be a bug that has never been caught because people rarely use characters smaller than tab?
02:43:34 <izalove> i get the same output in toybox/busybox/gnu/sbase/heirloom/plan9
02:43:45 <shachaf> LANG=C sort order is a well-known thing.
02:44:39 <oerjan> izalove: oh wait. you're not actually declaring a field to sort by, so it's sorted by the whole regardless. duh.
02:45:15 <izalove> yes it's sorted by the whole line but why does that matter?
02:45:47 <oerjan> izalove: that means your -tx does not matter at all.
02:45:58 <oerjan> you're just sorting a slightly different file
02:46:25 <oerjan> `` LANG=C sort <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:46:32 <oerjan> `` LANG=C sort <<< $'aaaaxbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:47:51 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -tx -k1,1 <<< $'aaaaxbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:47:58 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -k1,1 <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:48:34 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -k1 <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:48:40 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -k1 <<< $'aaaa\tbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:48:48 <izalove> `` LANG=C sort -tx -k1 <<< $'aaaaxbbbb\naaaa_bbbb'
02:50:56 <oerjan> -k1 is equivalent to the whole line
02:51:10 <oerjan> at least in this case.
02:54:00 <HackEgo> 1/1:bct//BCT is short for Bored Cat Transform, an effective compression technique for curtains and sofas. \ d//D is a letter in the alphabet! It's also the name of a programming language. \ password//The password of the month is ⛄ \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ oregano//Oregano is the main spice in oreganic cuisine.
02:54:21 <fizzie> `` LANG=C sort -k 2 <<< $'x a\nx\tb'
02:54:36 <HackEgo> 3195:2013-06-20 <guestböt> learn d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d/d nothing \ 3341:2013-07-31 <FreeFul̈l> for x in wisdom/*; do tac "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ 5139:2014-11-16 <shachäf> ` rm -r wisdom/d \ 6150:2015-10-26 <gameman̈j> echo "D is a letter in the alphabet! It\'s also the name of a programming
02:54:37 <fizzie> That one's the weird one.
02:55:07 <fizzie> (Without a specified delimiter, the blanks used as a field separator are included in the following field.)
02:56:47 <HackEgo> changeset: 3342:c777e2d91031 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Jul 31 20:46:16 2013 +0000 \ summary: <FreeFull> for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done
02:57:09 <HackEgo> changeset: 3343:76820f8a4c50 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Jul 31 20:53:16 2013 +0000 \ summary: <Bike> revert
02:57:25 <HackEgo> changeset: 3344:77ab2dbd6adb \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Jul 31 20:54:18 2013 +0000 \ summary: <Bike> echo \'? | rev\' >bin/\xd8\x9f && chmod +x bin/\xd8\x9f
02:57:27 <shachaf> oerjan: it's a new month, is what i was getting at
02:57:53 <HackEgo> revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
02:58:12 <shachaf> `slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#.$# | 3342 | 3343&#
02:58:16 <HackEgo> ../bin/hlnp//revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497) | 3342 | 3343' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
02:58:44 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
02:58:47 <shachaf> `slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#..$# | 3342 | 3343&#
02:58:51 <HackEgo> ../bin/hlnp//revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497 | 3342 | 3343)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
02:59:00 <oerjan> `learn The password of the month is lutefisk
02:59:05 <HackEgo> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is lutefisk
02:59:09 <shachaf> Haven't we had that one before?
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02:59:45 <oerjan> `` howg password | grep -i lut
02:59:53 <HackEgo> <oerjän> learn The password of the month is lutefisk
03:00:08 <shachaf> What was the way to get a history URL?
03:00:35 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log/tip/wisdom/password
03:00:41 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hwrl: not found
03:01:49 <shachaf> `mkx bin/hwrl//echo 'come on, you can type seven characters'
03:03:09 <oerjan> shachaf: your additions of 3342 and 3343 were redundant hth
03:04:01 <HackEgo> patching file wisdom/password
03:04:07 <oerjan> we've had in between changes hth
03:04:12 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
03:04:19 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ hg diff -c "$@" | patch -p1 -R
03:04:30 <HackEgo> diff -r 479bc0f57a54 -r afd7af1d22f4 wisdom/password \ --- a/wisdom/passwordFri Dec 02 02:58:22 2016 +0000 \ +++ b/wisdom/passwordFri Dec 02 02:58:37 2016 +0000 \ @@ -1,1 +1,1 @@ \ -The password of the month is ⛄ \ +The password of the month is lutefisk
03:04:39 <HackEgo> diff -r e72686e2660c -r 479bc0f57a54 bin/hlnp \ --- a/bin/hlnpFri Dec 02 02:58:16 2016 +0000 \ +++ b/bin/hlnpFri Dec 02 02:58:22 2016 +0000 \ @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ \ -revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497)'
03:05:18 <HackEgo> <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#..$# | 3342 | 3343&# \ <shachäf> revert \ <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#.$# | 3342 | 3343&# \ <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//s,It,Itb, \ <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//1s.5643.5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497. \ <shachäf> sled bin/hlnp//1s#..$# | 5642 | 5643&# \ <shachäf> revert \ <shachäf> sled bin/hlnp//s#..$#
03:05:30 <HackEgo> 9812:2016-12-02 <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#..$# | 3342 | 3343&# \ 9811:2016-12-02 <shachäf> revert \ 9810:2016-12-02 <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//1s#.$# | 3342 | 3343&# \ 9800:2016-11-29 <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//s,It,Itb, \ 9799:2016-11-29 <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//1s.5643.5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497. \ 9690:2016-11-14 <shachäf> sl
03:05:52 <oerjan> `` hg cat -r 9800 bin/hlnp >bin/hlnp
03:06:06 <HackEgo> revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:06:11 <shachaf> That seems overly complicated.
03:06:23 <shachaf> At the time that I showed what revision -5 was.
03:06:32 <oerjan> and losing the password?
03:07:14 <shachaf> Anyway, that password is insecure.
03:07:18 <shachaf> According to http://inutile.club/estatis/password-security-checker/
03:07:24 <oerjan> `sled bin/hlnp//s,1497,1497 | 3341,
03:07:28 <HackEgo> bin/hlnp//revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497 | 3341)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:08:18 <shachaf> In fact every password we've had has been insecure!
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03:12:39 <HackEgo> name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done
03:12:47 <HackEgo> echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit
03:17:06 <oerjan> `sled bin/hlnp//1s,9071.*,121 | 122 | 194 | 195 | 196 | 770 | 771 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497 | 2113 | 2114 | 3341 | 3342 | 3343 | 4530 | 4531 | 5642 | 5643 | 5895 | 5897 | 9070 | 9071 | 9074 | 9075)',
03:17:09 <HackEgo> bin/hlnp//revset='tip:0 & ! (121 | 122 | 194 | 195 | 196 | 770 | 771 | 1000 | 1001 | 1493 | 1497 | 2113 | 2114 | 3341 | 3342 | 3343 | 4530 | 4531 | 5642 | 5643 | 5895 | 5897 | 9070 | 9071 | 9074 | 9075)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:17:55 <shachaf> now i'm going to have to keep it sorted #scow
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03:18:18 <aleph-> Why am I just now learning of this chan? :D
03:19:08 <shachaf> oerjan: I told you this should have been in a separate file.
03:19:11 <HackEgo> aleph-: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
03:19:23 <shachaf> But then I was trying to make you write it, which is futile.
03:19:58 <shachaf> `` for r in 121 122 194 195 196 770 771 1000 1001 1493 1497 2113 2114 3341 3342 3343 4530 4531 5642 5643 5895 5897 9070 9071 9074 9075; do echo $r; done | sort > share/badrevs
03:20:15 <oerjan> i was going to call it scowrevs hth
03:20:27 <shachaf> `` mv share/{bad,scow}revs
03:22:12 <shachaf> If I left it like this, you would fix it, though.
03:22:24 <shachaf> Since your weakness is an inconsistent state.
03:22:26 <HackEgo> cat: share/badrevs: No such file or directory
03:22:33 <HackEgo> 1000 \ 1001 \ 121 \ 122 \ 1493 \ 1497 \ 194 \ 195 \ 196 \ 2113 \ 2114 \ 3341 \ 3342 \ 3343 \ 4530 \ 4531 \ 5642 \ 5643 \ 5895 \ 5897 \ 770 \ 771 \ 9070 \ 9071 \ 9074 \ 9075
03:23:47 <oerjan> `` sort -n share/scowrevs > share/sc; mv share/sc{,owrevs}
03:23:56 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: type: sponge: not found
03:23:57 <HackEgo> 121 \ 122 \ 194 \ 195 \ 196 \ 770 \ 771 \ 1000 \ 1001 \ 1493 \ 1497 \ 2113 \ 2114 \ 3341 \ 3342 \ 3343 \ 4530 \ 4531 \ 5642 \ 5643 \ 5895 \ 5897 \ 9070 \ 9071 \ 9074 \ 9075
03:24:15 <shachaf> oerjan: oh man, that wasn't even what i was talking about
03:24:52 <aleph-> So esolangs huh... very on topic. :P
03:25:42 <shachaf> `mkx bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(cat share/scowrevs | paste -sd'|')"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:26:15 <HackEgo> hg: parse error at 16: syntax error
03:26:51 <oerjan> `sled bin/hlnp//s,[(][$],$(,
03:26:53 <HackEgo> bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(cat share/scowrevs | paste -sd'|')"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! $(scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:27:16 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
03:27:20 <oerjan> i'm probably zonked too
03:27:26 <shachaf> `` echo "$(cat share/scowrevs | paste -sd '|')"
03:27:29 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/-sd
03:27:46 <shachaf> `` echo "$(cat share/scowrevs | /bin/paste -sd '|')"
03:27:48 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /bin/paste: No such file or directory
03:27:55 <HackEgo> paste is /hackenv/bin/paste \ paste is /usr/bin/paste
03:28:00 <shachaf> `` echo "$(cat share/scowrevs | /usr/bin/paste -sd '|')"
03:28:02 <HackEgo> 121|122|194|195|196|770|771|1000|1001|1493|1497|2113|2114|3341|3342|3343|4530|4531|5642|5643|5895|5897|9070|9071|9074|9075
03:28:20 <shachaf> `slwd ../bin/hlnp//s#p#/usr/bin/p#
03:28:22 <HackEgo> ../bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(cat share/scowrevs | /usr/bin/paste -sd'|')"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:28:49 <HackEgo> 2487:2013-03-23 <oerjän> sed -i \'s/$/ And a lystrosaur./\' wisdom/elliott \ 1855:2013-01-26 <oerjän> sed -i -e 1N -e \'s/\\n//\' wisdom/elliott \ 1854:2013-01-26 <oerjän> echo " He is also tire." >>wisdom/elliott \ 1853:2013-01-26 <oerjän> revert \ 1852:2013-01-26 <ellioẗt> learn elliott is tire \ 199:2012-04-08 <ellioẗt> revert \ 198:
03:29:01 <HackEgo> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import.
03:29:38 <shachaf> `` mv share/{s,}cowrevs; dowg zzo38; mv share/{,s}cowrevs
03:29:45 <HackEgo> cat: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument
03:30:12 <shachaf> `` mv share/{s,}cowrevs; touch share/scowrevs; dowg zzo38; mv share/{,s}cowrevs
03:30:17 <HackEgo> hg: parse error: missing argument
03:30:51 <shachaf> `` mv share/{s,}cowrevs; echo 1000000 > share/scowrevs; dowg zzo38; mv share/{,s}cowrevs
03:30:56 <HackEgo> abort: unknown revision '1000000'!
03:31:17 <shachaf> `` mv share/{s,}cowrevs; echo 2 > share/scowrevs; dowg zzo38; mv share/{,s}cowrevs
03:31:24 <HackEgo> 9071:2016-09-25 <fizzïe> revert 942e964c81c1 \ 9070:2016-09-25 <evilips̈e> ` chmod 777 / -R \ 771:2012-10-06 <oerjän> revert \ 770:2012-10-06 <FreeFul̈l> run rm -rf wisdom \ 196:2012-04-08 <shachäf> revert 0 \ 194:2012-04-08 <shachäf> run rm -rf wisdom/* \ 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import.
03:31:35 <HackEgo> 9826:2016-12-02 <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//s#p#/usr/bin/p# \ 9825:2016-12-02 <oerjän> revert \ 9824:2016-12-02 <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//s,[(][$],$(, \ 9823:2016-12-02 <shachäf> mkx bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(cat share/scowrevs | paste -sd\'|\')"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed \'s/\\(\\(^\\| \\)[<Itb][^ ]*\\)\\([^ ][^ ]\\)/\\1\xcc\
03:31:39 <aleph-> Man, I haven't played with one of these in years.
03:35:08 <oerjan> `sled bin/hlnp//1s,cat[^"]*,/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' share/scowrevs),
03:35:11 <HackEgo> bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
03:35:34 <HackEgo> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import.
03:35:47 <aleph-> oerjan: The hell are you attempting to do?
03:36:46 <oerjan> aleph-: we're just improving HackEgo's change history lookup feature
03:37:12 <aleph-> Without leaving the irc window?
03:37:15 <oerjan> it has a list of vandalism entries that it censors to reduce noise
03:37:41 <shachaf> `` paste -sd '|' share/scowrevs
03:37:45 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/-sd
03:37:53 <shachaf> `` /usr/bin/paste -sd '|' share/scowrevs
03:37:54 <HackEgo> 121|122|194|195|196|770|771|1000|1001|1493|1497|2113|2114|3341|3342|3343|4530|4531|5642|5643|5895|5897|9070|9071|9074|9075
03:38:12 <HackEgo> changeset: 121:8a04b0258775 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Mar 22 19:17:38 2012 +0000 \ summary: <elliott> run mv bin test; touch bin
03:38:24 <HackEgo> changeset: 194:b354fd7abfc7 \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun Apr 08 00:19:32 2012 +0000 \ summary: <shachaf> run rm -rf wisdom/*
03:39:05 <oerjan> aleph-: mass deletions like that. easily reverted but leaves noise in the hg repository.
03:42:17 <HackEgo> 9827:2016-12-02 <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//1s,cat[^"]*,/usr/bin/paste -sd\'|\' share/scowrevs), \ 9826:2016-12-02 <shachäf> slwd ../bin/hlnp//s#p#/usr/bin/p# \ 9825:2016-12-02 <oerjän> revert \ 9824:2016-12-02 <oerjän> sled bin/hlnp//s,[(][$],$(, \ 9823:2016-12-02 <shachäf> mkx bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(cat share/scowrevs | paste -sd\'|\')"; hg
03:49:21 <oerjan> fungot: say hello to aleph-
03:49:21 <fungot> oerjan: i've been messing around with longjmp that anmaster's asking all sorts of things. --atterbury... new fnord?
03:50:17 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
04:05:16 <zzo38> Unicode is at least 101% stupid
04:06:15 <izalove> can you add it as a non standard character?
04:12:31 <zzo38> Please tell me if this explanation of UHS file format is good enough http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freeuhs.ui/wiki?name=UHS+File+Format
04:14:24 <\oren\> ok, I have no idea why this isn't displaying
04:16:19 <\oren\> it shows up fine on the web
04:16:23 <shachaf> zzo38: How can it be more than 100%?
04:17:41 <zzo38> Unfortunately it can be.
04:19:15 <\oren\> the fixed öẅë shows up but not the Kannada characters?S?S?S
04:21:34 <\oren\> maybe it is doing something based on the language support....
04:22:09 <\oren\> so I have to add the rest of the Kannada letters if I want this to work
04:23:19 <\oren\> aint nobody got time fo dat
04:23:37 <\oren\> t least not until I finish with Japanese
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04:36:10 <HackEgo> trn: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
05:11:10 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: I fixed the problem with öẅë by the way
05:12:06 <\oren\> now the diarheses line up
05:22:20 <\oren\> wow, the old german handwriting is even more illegible than Fraktur
05:22:34 <\oren\> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCtterlinschrift#/media/File:S%C3%BCtterlin-Ausgangsschrift.jpg
05:41:36 <zzo38> How to change the default filename when saving a document in Firefox to the filename in the URL rather than the title of the document?
05:41:53 <zzo38> (The title of the document is never what I want to call the saved file.)
06:33:29 <myname> c and e confuse me a lot on that picture
06:33:38 <myname> the rest kinda makes sense
06:34:01 <myname> like how g is just a extended downwards and a is just o with an attached line
06:45:22 <zzo38> If the pokemon game is easy then use these rules: http://s7.zetaboards.com/Nuzlocke_Forum/topic/9278478/1/
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06:52:19 <myname> one of the extra credit guys use nuzlocke rules
06:57:23 <myname> okay, he only uses the first 3 though
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07:40:04 <myname> if i order apples on a scale from sweet to sour and i like it somewhere in the middle, can i consider the spot i like a "sweet spot" even if it is excplicitly not on the sweet only spot?
08:10:35 <Jafet> I think you can only order apples in boxes, not on scales
08:12:06 <Jafet> also, there are sweet sops and sour sops, but none in between
09:32:05 <b_jonas> "wow, the old german handwriting is even more illegible than Fraktur" => duh. handwriting is always less readable than printed, otherwise they'd change the printed types to resemble the handwriting more, to make it more readable
09:32:25 <b_jonas> typesetters do awfully crazy hard work stuff if it comes to making the output look better
09:56:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * L3viathan * New user account
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10:28:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[OIL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50435 * L3viathan * (+4144) Created page with "'''OIL''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] made by [[User:L3viathan|L3viathan]] that stands for '''O'''verly '''I'''ntrospective '''L'''anguage. It is turing-machine-li..."
10:30:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[OIL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50436&oldid=50435 * L3viathan * (+55) /* Official implementation */
10:30:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50437&oldid=50416 * L3viathan * (+10) /* O */
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11:43:23 <HackEgo> treaty//The Treaty on `lists treats how to `list our treats.
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12:01:10 <boily> fungot: all in all each man in all men all men in each man.
12:01:11 <fungot> boily: those can be dropped if you know which binding to use more energy than we do, it's definitely a beta tester)). an object structure, as far as the method is very easily expressed recursively :)
12:08:33 <HackEgo> 1223) <oren> when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? <vanila> yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? <oren> apparently not santa claus <zzo38> Santa Claus is dead by now.
12:14:32 <boily> b_jellonas. does it snow on Christmas in your corner of the World?
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12:20:40 <b_jonas> if you want guaranteed snow at a predetermined date, you go skiing in the alps, not just stay here and hope for favorable weather
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12:51:40 <HackEgo> Elrond is a rogue program originally created to police the Matrix, eventually gaining increased individuality and becoming a threat to the Machines themselves.
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15:28:39 <pledis> https://streamable.com/5egh
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16:38:32 <HackEgo> 1036) <Bike> I'm glad I quit programming to take up listening to numbers stations
16:38:38 <HackEgo> 493) <Phantom_Hoover> I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed.
16:38:42 <HackEgo> 78) <ais523> theory: some amused deity is making the laws of physics up as they go along
16:38:47 <HackEgo> 197) <nddrylliog> are you always careful to have a small enough margin so that it can't contain the proof? <oklofok> nddrylliog: i usually use latex, and make sure my hd is almost full
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17:51:24 <HackEgo> 1159) <fungot> kmc: any chance one can have a box full of tnt to throw around
17:51:33 <HackEgo> 194) <oklopol> oerjan: also actually A(4, 4) is larger than any other integer, i learned this the other day when i was reading about this algo, it had complexity O(n a^-1(n)) = O(n a^-1(4))
17:52:53 <HackEgo> 658) <zzo38> When you die in Canada, you die in real life.
17:52:59 <HackEgo> 1197) <fizzie> I am in room number 404. <fizzie> I keep not finding it and walking past the door.
17:53:08 <HackEgo> 765) <mroman> You can't quote me.
17:53:14 <HackEgo> 1034) <oerjan> this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam.
17:53:31 <HackEgo> 488) <Phantom_Hoover> FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
17:53:38 <HackEgo> 918) <augur> DIE <augur> oh hey elliott
17:53:44 <HackEgo> 565) <Patashu> that's trippy. how does such a thing evolve? what biological niche is it filling? we need to film a mockumentary on this
17:53:51 <HackEgo> 458) <elliott> I MIGHT BECOME GHOST
17:53:55 <HackEgo> 802) <Jafet> I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX
17:54:01 <HackEgo> 221) <ais523> OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension
17:54:08 <int-e> Zarutian: you *do* know that HackEgo replies to PRIVMSG, don't you?
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17:54:58 <augur> whats new in the esolang world
18:04:25 <Zarutian> int-e: yes, it was too silent here.
18:08:24 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qote: not found
18:08:26 <HackEgo> 890) <Bike> Usually I'd use Rankine, but the fucking weather doesn't support it.
18:08:34 <HackEgo> 1057) <kmc> Bike: so I'm home now <kmc> i believe you owe me a picture of elephants fisting each other
18:08:44 <HackEgo> 1048) <kmc> 05:09 < utoneq> what exactly is a monad.. and where is the difference to a set or a tuple? <elliott> kmc: the difference is that a monad is a triple <elliott> one more element
18:09:21 <shachaf> 5 quotes at a time is permitted (though you can get them more compactly with `5)
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19:01:43 <\oren\> Trivia! Armin Van Buuren was the first president of the USA to be born in the USA
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19:15:54 <augur> speaking of esoteric computing, i'm building a rod logic computer :)
19:16:15 <int-e> I hope hue's been `relcomed
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19:19:01 <augur> izalove: only of some simple prototypes
19:19:13 <augur> soon i'll be back in SF and I can actually start laser cutting things
19:19:24 <augur> also, importantly, i have money now to spend on personal projects. lol
19:20:14 <int-e> `rainbow can you name the hues of the rainbow?
19:20:14 <HackEgo> can you name the hues of the rainbow?
19:21:50 <izalove> augur: i'd be interested in the simple prototypes as well
19:33:47 <augur> izalove: ok let me dig up my vids :)
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19:34:45 <augur> izalove: here's some pics of the full added i built https://twitter.com/psygnisfive/status/754186779813478400
19:35:45 <augur> izalove: here's the video of the AND gate I built, w/ explanation, and in the replies to that you can find a video of the adder https://twitter.com/psygnisfive/status/754509236340527104
19:37:56 <augur> i wrote a little JS program that will automatically design these gates, too :)
19:38:04 <augur> i need to clean up the code, tho
19:38:19 <augur> and add some better UI stuff, and extend it to do gate stacking
19:39:42 <augur> given a truth table, it'll spit out a monogate design for it in SVG format so you can throw it into a laser cutter and cut it out
19:40:00 <augur> nice streamlined process for manufacturing rod logic computers. lmfao
19:41:08 <augur> I also want to try to build these in silicon. a bunch of people are noisebridge are going to the stanford nanofab facility today as a result of my pestering about chip fab processes :)
19:41:23 <augur> we're going to set up a little fab in noisebridge. not very clean, but still existant!
19:41:36 <augur> DIY semiconductors and MEMS! \o/
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21:05:05 <moony> someone made a zip file quine in 2010: http://swtch.com/r.zip
21:07:36 <moony> its really somewhat suprising it works, isnt it?
21:07:42 <moony> at least, it is until its explained
21:08:22 <zzo38> Knowing something about DEFLATE, it doesn't seems too surprising
21:09:43 <HackEgo> 5293:2015-03-30 <FireFl̈y> ` ln -s canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary \ 5294:2015-03-30 <FireFl̈y> ` rm wisdom/canary; ln -s ../canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary \ 9435:2016-10-26 <oerjän> rm wisdom/canary
21:09:50 <HackEgo> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. \ 111:2012-03-19 <ais52̈3> run echo now this file will be strangely hard to empty completely >> canary \ 112:2012-03-19 <ellioẗt> run echo chirp >canary \ 113:2012-03-19 <ais52̈3> run rm canary && mkdir canary \ 114:2012-03-19 <ellioẗt> run echo chirp >canary \ 198:2012-04-08 <oerjän> revert 193 \ 199:2012-04-
21:10:34 <HackEgo> Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb invented them.
21:11:00 <shachaf> that is whoafully out of date
21:11:40 <olsner> huh, does shachaf have inventions?
21:12:12 <olsner> I know I haven't invented shit
21:12:28 <shachaf> Maybe I'm confusing you with oklopol.
21:13:52 <shachaf> olsner: But I thought you invented alphanumeric poetry?
21:13:53 <olsner> speaking of which, how long since oklo* actually went here?
21:14:08 <moony> out of curiousity...
21:14:11 <olsner> shachaf: I think someone else invented that I invented that
21:14:15 <moony> `fetch http://www.unforgettable.dk/42.zip
21:14:18 <HackEgo> 2016-12-02 21:13:48 URL:http://www.unforgettable.dk/42.zip [42838/42838] -> "42.zip" [1]
21:14:58 <HackEgo> 1134) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
21:19:48 <shachaf> It's years later and I'm still pleased with that limerick.
21:20:06 <olsner> you should be, that is brilliant work
21:22:36 <shachaf> 09:20:03: <olsner> how do people just pop out limericks like that? I seem to be lacking that skill
21:23:02 <olsner> still am, seeming to, lacking, it
21:25:00 <olsner> ais523: oerjan told me to ask you something about intercal btw
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21:26:42 <shachaf> why is whitespace afraid of intercal?
21:28:28 <olsner> oh, whitespace was afraid of intercal, somehow managed to read that backwards
21:29:43 <zzo38> {1} Artifact - Fortification ;; Fortified land is a 1/2 artifact creature. ;; Fortify {1}
21:39:34 <ais523> actually yes, it fixes the main problem with fortifications
21:39:42 <ais523> however I suspect the creature needs better stats
21:39:47 <ais523> I'd me more inclined towards 2/2
21:40:06 <ais523> even then, Wizards wouldn't like something that's cheap and makes lands easily destroyable, but I disagree with them on this
21:47:18 <shachaf> ais523: Remind me whether there's a double dactyl written with your name yet?
21:47:43 <ais523> shachaf: I'm not aware of one
21:47:54 <shachaf> I mean IRC nick of course.
21:48:09 <shachaf> Maybe the emphasis is wrong.
21:48:32 <shachaf> Why do you disagree with WotC on this?
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21:59:43 <HackEgo> 1046) <Bike> i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages
22:01:43 <olsner> hmm, the trick is that what you're looking for isn't even considered weird in any of them
22:05:49 <HackEgo> 1196) <MDude> It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems.
22:05:59 <HackEgo> 1255) <mroman> I get paid by Simon Peyton Jones to promote Haskell . <Taneb> mroman, how did you wind up getting paid by SPJ to promote Haskell? <Taneb> Did he see you and think, "Aha! There is a chap who can avoid success at all costs!"?
22:07:45 <\oren\> by the way, I have found that TTF doesn't allow infinite lookahead for ligatures
22:08:30 <olsner> good, would be funfortunate to find a turing complete string rewriting system in TTF
22:09:27 <\oren\> olsner: that's what I was trying to do
22:09:58 <\oren\> ttf requires you to give a number as the maximum lookahead
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22:10:19 <\oren\> ... although, I wonder if ttf actually holds you to it
22:10:29 <Zarutian> I am sorry, what is a ligature? some sort of loop or knot?
22:10:47 <pikhq> \oren\: What about OTF? ;)
22:10:54 <\oren\> Zarutian: when two characters get combined
22:11:20 <olsner> lookahead is probably not the most interesting limitation though, I think post systems and such can be very small
22:11:51 <pikhq> Yes, though æ is generally considered a distinct grapheme in languages that use it.
22:11:58 <pikhq> (even though it began life as a ligature)
22:12:36 <\oren\> No like some fonts will automatically diplay the string fi as fi
22:12:45 <olsner> in ttf/otf terms, it would be a ligature if you have a font that merges "a e" into æ
22:13:16 <pikhq> Which would be most appropriate for a font used for Latin.
22:13:30 <pikhq> Particularly medieval Latin.
22:13:59 <Zarutian> pikhq: it latin orthography began as a ligature though it is exists before that as a rune
22:14:49 <pikhq> Its use in transcribing runic languages and in writing Latin are somewhat unconnected, though.
22:15:44 <pikhq> In runic transcription it was transcribing a single glyph, "ᚨ" (æsc)
22:15:55 <\oren\> no idea what language those are from
22:16:43 <\oren\> I think Ꜩꜩ is for german
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22:19:50 <pikhq> Huh, while Cirth hasn't been encoded in Unicode, Tolkien's unique runes for transcribing Modern English were.
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22:59:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Golfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50438&oldid=44755 * Sp3000 * (-507)
23:00:43 <Zarutian> say, can anyone here be so kind to explain for me the english word 'reasonable'? It is clearly an adjective of some kind but what is its meaning precisely?
23:01:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Golfish]]": author request: "Edit (Dec 2016): Writing a 2D semi-golfing language didn't turn out very nice since it gradually devolved into predominantly one line programs. I'd still like to see an extension of ><> one day" ... "but this is not it."
23:02:16 <ais523> Zarutian: it means, approximately, "without unlikely/unplausible situations occuring", the meaning sort-of shifts on context
23:02:31 <ais523> "it is reasonable to think that…" means "it would not be stupid/ridiculous to think that…"
23:03:05 <ais523> "be reasonable" means something like "stop having silly ideas, and focus on something more practical"
23:03:14 <Zarutian> I have SEEN and BEEN in unlikely and unplausible situations!
23:03:32 <ais523> Zarutian: yes, it's still not reasonable to allow for them though
23:03:45 <Zarutian> what is unlikely or unplausible is too damn fucking subjective
23:03:52 <int-e> Zarutian: so have I! we have so much in common!!!1
23:04:10 <ais523> "reasonable precautions" are precautions that will deal with any likely situation, but might potentially be defeated by unlikely situations
23:05:25 <fizzie> Reasonable prices are what you put on an ad when the actual price would scare away buyers.
23:05:59 <Zarutian> well, somebody told me that 'reasonable' is a good indicator someone who uttered it is trying to evade themselfs out of some situation where they need to give clear and precise definitions for the terms they are using because those aforesaid terms are not common vernicular nor easily derived logically or analytically
23:06:36 <shachaf> Do you think putting all a company's code in one repository is a good idea?
23:06:49 <Zarutian> ais523: yeah, "reasonable precautions" get your license to practice permanently suspended in my field of practice
23:07:02 <fizzie> shachaf: I can't answer unless I can think of an answering porthello, sorry.
23:07:27 <ais523> Zarutian: "reasonable" is often not a high enough standard for this reason, in safety-critical fields you sometimes need to take unreasonable precautions too :-)
23:07:30 <shachaf> Do you think doing that, and also not having library versioning etc., just doing everything from master/etc., is viable if you don't have good tests?
23:08:07 <fizzie> shachaf: Reasonably viable.
23:08:13 <ais523> the adverb "reasonably" often carries the connotation of "not to an extreme extent"; if a builder said that they'd designed my house to be reasonably stable, I'd be concerned
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23:08:36 <Zarutian> ais523: hence my mounting suspiction that it is basically a weasle word for someone to evade with
23:08:54 <ais523> it's more of a weasel word with a fairly specific meaning, but that meaning is inherently weaselly
23:09:49 <fizzie> shachaf: Anyway, just, you know, have a rollback binary, that sort of thing.
23:10:06 <Zarutian> even if it has specific meaning it is still imprecise and most probably inaccurate
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23:10:50 <Zarutian> like "Take the thingy and apply that other thingy to it before bolting it to the other thing"
23:11:27 <fizzie> I was in Paris for Wednesday, and on Thursday woke up having pretty much entirely lost my voice (now it's back); wonder if that's connected somehow.
23:15:49 <shachaf> fizzie: I'm trying to argue for using that sort of system, and people say it won't work because they don't have tests.
23:16:36 <shachaf> And also they don't want to bother keeping things up to date.
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23:20:15 <fizzie> Just appeal to authority.
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23:21:20 <shachaf> supreme pooch of the united states?
23:21:53 <fizzie> What I do is in this sort of arguments (well, usually it's my wife claiming some word I'm using is not a "proper word"), I write a convincing-looking web page and open it as file:/// in my browser.
23:21:59 <fizzie> Admittedly it doesn't usually help much.
23:22:02 <\oren\> recently the local mcdonalds installed large self service touchscreens and reduced the number of registers
23:22:41 <fizzie> I've always found the "POTUS" term somehow ridiculous. Probably because "pottu" is a colloquial Finnish term for a potato.
23:22:45 <\oren\> the minimum wage jobs are being replaced with soulles androids
23:22:52 <Zarutian> \oren\: do those touchscreen have sanitary wipes to use on it before one touches it?
23:23:14 <Zarutian> \oren\: "Soulless androids in soulless jobs!"
23:24:00 <shachaf> fizzie: have you considered using data:text/html, hth
23:24:02 <fizzie> I'll have you know there's a little bit of soul in every Android installation. (That's probably not true.)
23:24:10 <izalove> in 10 years all jobs will be replaced by androids
23:24:25 <shachaf> fizzie: Is it the bit that you sold when you got your job?
23:24:44 <Zarutian> izalove: and who is going to buy the services provided by said androids?
23:25:04 <Zarutian> fizzie: you mean the soul.so file?
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23:25:32 <fizzie> shachaf: That would make sense. What else would they do with it?
23:25:57 <\oren\> devour it! #spiritcooking
23:26:13 <izalove> Zarutian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
23:26:47 <shachaf> fizzie: I imagine Calico could put it to good use.
23:27:41 <Zarutian> regarding 'minimum wage', 'living wage' and such. Why do proponents of those often oppose 'citizen salary' (which is basically covers only bear minimum subsitance)
23:28:09 <Zarutian> izalove: not intrested in video, didnt watch. What does it depict?
23:29:12 <fizzie> shachaf: I guess. Probably Deepmind as well.
23:29:25 <fizzie> They're the sort of people I can imagine dabbling in souls.
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23:33:00 <shachaf> Have you moved into your new office yet?
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23:34:41 <fizzie> Depends on the definition of "new office". I mean, I moved to one months ago already, some time in the summer or so.
23:35:12 <fizzie> The proper "new office" that Sundar announced the other week he was in London, that we still haven't even started building.
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23:38:08 <fizzie> (Allegedly it's going to be real nice, though.)
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