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00:07:29 <boily> @metar CYUL
00:07:30 <lambdabot> CYUL 162300Z 09006KT 6SM -SN BKN020 OVC035 M17/M21 A3029 RMK SC7SC1 SLP264
00:07:38 <boily> woohoo, above -20.
00:07:53 * boily dances the Dance of Warmth
00:07:58 <shachaf> @metar KOAK
00:07:58 <lambdabot> KOAK 162353Z 28021KT 10SM FEW024 12/04 A2997 RMK AO2 PK WND 28026/2315 SLP147 T01220044 10133 20117 53010
00:08:21 <shachaf> It was so cold here a few days ago that I figured out how to turn my heater on.
00:11:00 <Sgeo> shachaf, can you teach the people at my office building how to do that
00:11:18 <Sgeo> Or maybe how to turn the A/C down... even in summer I had to wear a coat in the building
00:11:21 <shachaf> I cannot.
00:12:08 <boily> hellochaf, Sgello.
00:12:31 * boily tweaks his dance to grab some magical energy from California and bring it here
00:15:07 * boily tweaks some more to grill a bagel. getting hungry with all that dancing.
00:25:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50524&oldid=50504 * Redstarcoder * (+479) Add I/D instruction information.
00:28:18 <fizzie> @metar EGLL
00:28:19 <lambdabot> EGLL 170020Z AUTO 19002KT 3100 BR NCD 07/07 Q1032 NOSIG
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00:34:16 <boily> fizziello. NCD?
00:34:24 <boily> (No ClouD, maybe?)
00:35:26 * Sgeo vaguely considers playing Pokemon Showdown
00:35:37 <fizzie> boily: No Cloud Detected. (I looked it up before.)
00:59:35 <hppavilion[1]> boily: No Cloud Dat- oh, I see
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01:08:38 <boily> hppavellon[1]. there are no clouds, or if there are, they are invisible.
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01:31:03 <boily> `wisdom
01:31:07 <HackEgo> dnm//dnm does not mind.
01:38:42 <shachaf> `forget dnm
01:38:47 <HackEgo> Forget what?
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01:58:40 <boily> `wisdom
01:58:43 <HackEgo> studies//Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid for by the same company.
01:58:59 <boily> studies cause cancer in rats.
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02:37:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50525&oldid=50524 * Redstarcoder * (+43) /* *> */
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03:08:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Set]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50526&oldid=49917 * Qwertyu63 * (-9) Not a stub
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03:32:23 <hppavilion[1]> Has anyone made a tarpit based on archiving?
03:50:34 <Jafet> would that be like a minimal language based on underarm cavities?
03:54:06 <hppavilion[1]> Jafet: It'd be a tarpit
03:54:11 <hppavilion[1]> TARpit
03:57:21 <Jafet> oh, so it's not at all like a reduced instruction set for aircraft control rooms
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05:01:24 <pikhq_> @metar KFLY
05:01:25 <lambdabot> KFLY 170455Z AUTO 36019G27KT 4SM -SN SCT043 SCT048 SCT075 M11/M13 A2946 RMK AO2 T11091135
05:03:23 <pikhq_> Um. Either that's a different airport than I think it is, or it is a lot colder than I thought.
05:03:49 <pikhq_> Nope, that's the right one.
05:04:06 <pikhq_> KFLY is about half a mile from here.
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05:26:26 <shachaf> hikhq_
05:28:33 <pikhq_> shichaf
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05:30:28 <shachaf> Today I was reading about Prometheus, which is a clone of Borgmon.
05:30:34 <shachaf> What do you think of Borgmon?
05:31:04 <pikhq_> Borgmon is rather arcane, but a spectacularly useful tool.
05:32:56 <pikhq_> Weird thing, weather.gov seems to want to give me observations from about 50 miles away when I ask for local data.
05:33:17 <pikhq_> Rather than just the KFLY data.
05:33:21 <pikhq_> Speaking of...
05:33:25 <pikhq_> @metar KFLY
05:33:25 <lambdabot> KFLY 170515Z AUTO 36018G27KT 5SM -SN SCT028 SCT035 BKN045 M11/M14 A2948 RMK AO2 T11121143
05:33:47 <pikhq_> Hrm, not much change. Guess the front's still coming through.
05:34:10 <shachaf> @metar KOAK
05:34:25 <lambdabot> KOAK 170453Z 31011KT 10SM CLR 09/02 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP183 T00940017
05:34:25 <shachaf> Yep. Pretty cold.
05:34:42 <moonheart08> how do you read that? >_> its not very obvious
05:37:07 <moonheart08> `gwni moony
05:37:11 <pikhq_> https://www.wunderground.com/metarFAQ.asp
05:37:24 <HackEgo> wisdom/reflection
05:37:28 <pikhq_> It's not an especially easy format to read, but it's a standard one.
05:37:55 <pikhq_> More to the point, it's the ICAO standard, so *literally* every country on the face of the planet produces meteorological data in that format.
05:38:07 <shachaf> `doat bin/gwni
05:38:18 <HackEgo> 9991:2016-12-16 <hppavilion[0̈]> ` mv bin/grwfi bin/gwni
05:38:28 <shachaf> `doat bin/grwfi
05:38:35 <HackEgo> 9989:2016-12-16 <hppavilion[0̈]> mkx bin/grwfi//grep -ERsi "$@" wisdom/* \ 9990:2016-12-16 <hppavilion[0̈]> ` sed -i "s/ERsi/ERlis/" bin/grwfi \ 9991:2016-12-16 <hppavilion[0̈]> ` mv bin/grwfi bin/gwni
05:38:55 <shachaf> Huh?
05:41:30 <moonheart08> shachaf, look in the logs, its a searcher for Wisdom (by hppa)
05:41:39 <moonheart08> `wisdom reflection
05:41:42 <HackEgo> That's not wise.
05:41:49 <moonheart08> ??
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06:06:32 <hppavilion[1]> Is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computing#Basis falling into the trap debunked in http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-talk-4?
06:12:21 <zzo38> What kind of trap?
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06:34:59 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: ...the one covered in the second linky. Of "try all the computations at once"
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06:58:33 <zzo38> To try all of the computation at once you will need a parallel computing I think.
07:06:57 <shachaf> zzo38: What do you think a build system should be like?
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07:11:20 <zzo38> Build system?
07:12:55 <shachaf> Yes, something that builds software.
07:13:03 <shachaf> Well, I guess it can build other things too.
07:13:17 <shachaf> And maybe it does more than build.
07:14:24 <zzo38> I am not sure what you need it for if you already have them?
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07:15:48 <shachaf> Have what?
07:16:07 <zzo38> Software building
07:17:01 <shachaf> I mean a program that runs a compiler, for example.
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08:00:31 <relrod> shachaf: in that vein, what are your thoughts on something like Shake?
08:00:46 <shachaf> helrod
08:01:04 <shachaf> I was looking at shake and it didn't look high-level/declarative enough.
08:01:12 <shachaf> But I wasn't looking very closely so I could be wrong.
08:01:18 <shachaf> @time relrod
08:01:19 <lambdabot> Local time for relrod is Sat Dec 17 03:01:18 2016
08:02:16 <relrod> shachaf: I haven't used it before, always wanted to try it but also never had a reason to :)
08:02:26 <relrod> so just curious
08:03:49 <relrod> Generally the languages I work in by choice already have established build system conventions (Haskell/cabal, coq/its custom Makefile generation hacks, etc.)
08:03:56 <shachaf> That's scow.
08:04:08 <shachaf> Can you believe every language feels the need to invent its own build system, package system, etc.?
08:04:11 <shachaf> What's that about?
08:05:44 <relrod> shachaf: Tony and Brian were talking about an idea a long time ago where basically package systems become databases of versioned functions, in some sense. I can't recall all the details, but it makes the notion/problem of "library ownership" go away.
08:06:41 <shachaf> Versioning libraries is also scow.
08:06:46 <relrod> Of course, one could think of that as just another package system, and ... well, https://xkcd.com/927/
08:06:47 <shachaf> Maybe a necessary scow.
08:06:59 <shachaf> Except within one project or company or something.
08:07:02 <shachaf> But a scow nonetheless.
08:07:28 * relrod has never heard that term "scow" before.
08:07:40 <shachaf> The one-big-repository model is too good.
08:08:06 <relrod> shachaf: anyway this idea wasn't about library versioning, but instead worked at the function level
08:08:24 <shachaf> Even worse
08:09:00 <relrod> I think it'd be interesting to see, at least. Not sure how practical plus I don't remember all the details
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08:58:13 <int-e> oerjan will probably like http://www.surlyqueen.net/loas/2016/12/15/744-ingrained/
08:58:52 <oerjan> i've resembled that comic.
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10:08:52 <oerjan> `` ls bin/g*
10:09:05 <HackEgo> bin/gaseen \ bin/gccrun \ bin/genbf \ bin/good \ bin/google \ bin/grph \ bin/grwp \ bin/gs2 \ bin/gs2c \ bin/gs2c.py \ bin/gs2.py \ bin/gs2x \ bin/gwn \ bin/gwni
10:11:14 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: HackEgo permanent changes should _not_ be done in private hth
10:11:43 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: No??
10:11:49 <oerjan> no.
10:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> OK
10:12:17 <hppavilion[1]> The total net change was just adding gwn and gwni
10:12:20 <shachaf> Oh, those were in private?
10:12:27 <shachaf> No wonder I didn't see them.
10:13:05 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I figured it would be mostly fixing minor mistakes and rethinking the name and didn't want to spam the channel with it. But good to know.
10:13:36 <oerjan> `cat bin/gwn
10:13:37 <HackEgo> grep -ERls "$@" wisdom/*
10:13:39 <shachaf> Some people might say that those names are inconsistent with everything else.
10:13:41 <oerjan> `cat bin/gwni
10:13:43 <HackEgo> grep -ERlis "$@" wisdom/*
10:13:53 <shachaf> And that the scripts are problematic in various ways compared to e.g. grwp.
10:14:00 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I *think* they're consistent.
10:14:00 <oerjan> i note you did not copy the clever part from `grwp
10:14:06 <hppavilion[1]> Did I not?
10:14:09 <hppavilion[1]> `cat bin/grwp
10:14:11 <HackEgo> ​#! /bin/bash \ cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- *
10:14:23 <hppavilion[1]> ...yeah, I saw that and had no clue what it really meant.
10:14:27 <shachaf> that part isn't really in grwp
10:14:31 <shachaf> it's photoshopt hth
10:14:31 <hppavilion[1]> Is it the shopt that's important or...
10:14:43 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: it's to avoid writing the "wisdom/" part
10:14:55 <oerjan> the shopt is necessary to still include dotfiles
10:15:11 <oerjan> *printing
10:15:29 <Jafet> privmsging
10:17:11 <oerjan> the -s shouldn't be necessary when you use -R
10:17:31 <oerjan> (all the errors tend to only come because of directories.)
10:17:44 <hppavilion[1]> ...oh?
10:18:00 <Jafet> `grwp -hi
10:18:16 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: What's the importance of cd wisdom over wisdom/*?
10:18:16 <HackEgo> ​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ Augmented Backus-Naur Form, an update on the popular Backus-Naur Form programming language, introduces support for "Augmented Production", e.g. `foo +::= bar`. The older `::=` syntax will continue to be supported for orthogonal-compatibility purposes. \ arothmorphise ... antormo... antrohm... ant... oh bugger. This should go
10:18:17 <shachaf> oerjan: Well, there could easily be other errors.
10:18:34 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: verbosity
10:18:56 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: ...oh?
10:18:58 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, I see
10:19:02 <hppavilion[1]> I understand now
10:19:12 <hppavilion[1]> `gwn oerjan
10:19:13 <HackEgo> wisdom/amortized \ wisdom/bdsmreclist \ wisdom/eol \ wisdom/#esoteric \ wisdom/evil throne \ wisdom/hg \ wisdom/hppavilion[42] \ wisdom/oerjan \ wisdom/œrjan \ wisdom/ørjan \ wisdom/reflection \ wisdom/saucepan \ wisdom/the universe \ wisdom/typoerjan \ wisdom/userweps \ wisdom/אrjan
10:19:17 <hppavilion[1]> That's it.
10:19:28 <oerjan> `grwp oerjan
10:19:29 <HackEgo> amortized:An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ bdsmreclist:* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ bdsmreclist:<oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits \ eol:EOL stands for End Of Lawn. It's often found past the wabe. oerjan requests your presence there immediately. \ #esoteric:#esoteric is the only channel that exi
10:19:36 <oerjan> oh you only list
10:19:45 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yeah
10:19:51 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The 'n' is for 'name'
10:20:01 <oerjan> ic
10:21:19 <hppavilion[1]> ...I could also add a " | sed 's,wisdom/,,'" to the end of `gwn and `gwni to achieve the same result [perhaps I'd need to adjust its exact text- flags, mostly], so...
10:21:46 <hppavilion[1]> `? אrjan
10:21:49 <HackEgo> ​אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms.
10:23:32 <int-e> Yesterday's xkcd isn't so unrealistic... the Internet of Turf is just around the corner.
10:23:55 <oerjan> `` grwp -l oerjan
10:23:57 <HackEgo> amortized \ bdsmreclist \ eol \ #esoteric \ evil throne \ hg \ hppavilion[42] \ oerjan \ œrjan \ ørjan \ reflection \ saucepan \ the universe \ typoerjan \ userweps \ אrjan
10:24:01 <int-e> (but I didn't know that lawn blocking is a thing)
10:39:39 <oerjan> `wisdom reflection
10:39:42 <HackEgo> That's not wise.
10:39:55 <oerjan> `cat bin/wisdom
10:39:55 <HackEgo> f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf --random-source=/dev/urandom -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl
10:40:09 <oerjan> i guess it's excluded for being a link
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11:50:23 <int-e> `? iot
11:50:48 <HackEgo> iot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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14:05:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TopBottomStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50527 * IAM * (+280) Created page with "Two stacks: “top” stack, and “bottom” stack.  ^ Pop item from bottom stack and push it to top stack.  v Same as above, but with the roles of the top and bottom stack r..."
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15:14:41 <wob_jonas> So, I'm not too surprised that the calesyta2016 results are late, because it can take a long time to truly understand the beauty of real esotericness (as opposed to dumb bf syntax substitutions), plus ioccc has already set up traditions about esoteric programming competitions;
15:14:53 <wob_jonas> but has anyone asked them in email to know if they're at least alive?
15:18:05 <wob_jonas> \oren\: do you still have problems with svn merge or diff or patch or diff3 or whatever? perhaps tell in more detail, maybe I can help, or someone else can.
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17:45:08 <boily> @metar ENVA
17:45:08 <lambdabot> ENVA 171720Z 11006KT 9999 FEW005 SCT017 BKN031 01/01 Q1023 RMK WIND 670FT 19007KT
17:45:40 <oerjan> hily
17:46:12 <oerjan> pretty slippery today
17:48:00 <int-e> @metar lowi
17:48:00 <lambdabot> LOWI 171720Z VRB01KT CAVOK M03/M08 Q1038 NOSIG
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17:48:11 <int-e> not humid, fortunately
17:48:19 <boily> @metar CYUL
17:48:19 <lambdabot> CYUL 171742Z 03010KT 5SM -SN DRSN OVC025 M11/M14 A2988 RMK SC8 SLP123
17:48:38 <boily> hellørjan. snowy today.
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17:52:12 <boily> `relcome IRIXUser 
17:52:27 <HackEgo> ​IRIXUser: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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18:38:17 <zzo38> I think that there are some problem with Hocus Pocus game. One is that the timer is not displayed on the screen. Other is that you won't lose if you run out of time. Other is that sometimes it will activate rapid fire or three fireballs even if you have not collected a potion; seem to do at random. Also some problem with level design
18:47:49 <zzo38> There are many better ideas that can be done, such as to place switches in way of elevator, or switches that would cause problem to use in space where to shoot up can be helpful, or breakable blocks that if you break them can be make game unwinnable.
18:49:49 <zzo38> The game is too easy as it is so these thing can improve to be more difficult.
18:50:35 <zzo38> (There is also too many pieces of extra fire in the game.)
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18:54:29 <zzo38> What do you think?
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18:55:03 <int-e> About a game that I've heard of for the first time 2 minutes ago?
18:55:33 <int-e> " Hocus Pocus is an action platform game developed by Moonlite Software and released for DOS, Linux, Macintosh and Windows in 1994." -- I have my doubts about that list of platforms.
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18:56:47 <int-e> Anyway, I think I'm not going to play it.
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18:57:53 <zzo38> I think it was released only for DOS, although you can play it on any of those systems by use of an emulator.
18:58:47 <int-e> dosemu exists since 1992, maybe that worked at the time
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19:00:14 <int-e> why does Hocus_Pocus_(video_game) redirect to 3D Realms
19:01:02 <int-e> (I know why, but it's really not very helpful.)
19:02:06 <zzo38> I think also game has too many healing potions too.
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19:09:06 <zzo38> (Although one level has no healing potions.)
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20:01:28 <pikhq_> @meater KFLY
20:01:28 <lambdabot> KFLY 171955Z AUTO 35007KT BKN021 BKN085 M17/M23 A2977 RMK AO2 T11661234 PWINO
20:01:37 <pikhq_> Ah-yup, that checks out.
20:03:51 <shachaf> @metar KOAK
20:03:51 <lambdabot> KOAK 171953Z 26006KT 10SM FEW200 10/M03 A3029 RMK AO2 SLP257 T01001028
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20:19:30 <oerjan> `icao KFLY
20:19:43 <HackEgo> No output.
20:19:55 <oerjan> I'M SORRY YOU'RE GOING TO A PLACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST
20:20:28 <oerjan> `airport KFLY
20:20:30 <HackEgo> No output.
20:23:02 <zzo38> Wikipedia says KFLY refers to Meadow Lake Airport (Colorado)
20:28:01 <pikhq_> Yes.
20:28:20 <pikhq_> It's a small airport that recreational pilots fly out of.
20:28:29 <pikhq_> It's also the closest one to here.
20:28:35 <zzo38> It has no IATA code, so if that database does not list airports without IATA code, then that is why it doesn't work.
20:28:44 <zzo38> You should then add even the airports that lack a IATA code
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21:16:39 <int-e> @metar LGAV
21:16:39 <lambdabot> LGAV 172050Z 01012KT 9999 FEW035 BKN045 06/M03 Q1035 NOSIG
21:16:53 <int-e> two owl tickets to LGAV, please!
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21:30:26 <zzo38> Owl ticket?
21:41:42 <fizzie> `icao LGAV
21:41:49 <HackEgo> Eleftherios Venizelos Intl (ATH, LGAV)
21:42:07 <fizzie> That sounds like it's from a game.
21:50:49 <int-e> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bring_owls_to_Athens
21:52:55 <int-e> also, http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020228.html "Two tickets to Athens, please." "We don't do that. It's a matter of principle."
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23:07:39 <izabera> idea
23:07:48 <izabera> a filesystem that uses telegram as an object storage
23:08:38 <zzo38> How to work such thing?
23:09:39 <izabera> idk, one way could be to send your files on telegram to a bot
23:14:54 <\oren\> there exists a scots wikipedia
23:15:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Inline]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50528&oldid=43721 * Serprex * (+49) Implementation link (WIP)
23:15:43 <\oren\> https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadae
23:15:48 <\oren\> aaaaaaaaaa
23:18:27 <izabera> https://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadà
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23:21:10 <FireFly> There is also a Swabian wikipedia
23:21:24 <FireFly> and other rather minor/obscure languages
23:27:41 <zzo38> Maybe I should write specification for "compatibility script" for TAVERN. This may be helpful with catalog in order to determine which story files are compatible with which interpreters.
23:28:06 <zzo38> Another thing for use with catalog database might be to add a CATALOG.RDF lump which contain various metadata for a catalog database.
23:28:18 <zzo38> Do you think?
23:31:46 <\oren\> scots would make a good international language. 
23:33:14 <zzo38> How do you think so? What features of a language make it good international languages anyways?
23:33:50 <\oren\> it doesn't have as many rare sounds as english
23:35:14 <zzo38> O, OK, yes that is a good thing I think
23:41:32 <hppavilion[1]> `? Rogue One
23:41:34 <HackEgo> Any regular who gives the slightest Rogue One spoiler shall be hunted down in real life and have their intestines removed through their eye sockets. Members would not be exempt if they existed, which they don't.
23:53:15 <int-e> I hear it's a movie.
23:59:17 <hppavilion[1]> int-e: Yeah, I heard that too.
23:59:45 <hppavilion[1]> int-e: Note that, for much-anticipated movies like Rogue One, "spoilers" includes "anything you learn in the trailers"