00:04:22 <wob_jonas> I hear the Millenium Falcon runs out of fuel so the professor tows it with a steam train to speed it up to 88 miles per hour so it can get through the bridge over the chasm even as the bridge collapses.
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00:06:18 <zzo38> I have seen commercials for Rogue One but no scenes
00:06:41 <fizzie> We had a company-organized screening of it.
00:07:26 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: Did you modify HackEgo in /msg?
00:07:32 <shachaf> As you were explicitly requested not to do yesterday?
00:07:42 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I added a learn. I thought that didn't count
00:08:14 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, wisdom entries aren't *really* distinct from commands, I guess..
00:08:32 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: Then you went and did the `? of the same thing on the channel, so I don't know what adding it in private actually accomplished.
00:09:02 <shachaf> They're distinct from commands, but the request was not about commands.
00:09:12 <shachaf> 02:11:36 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: HackEgo permanent changes should _not_ be done in private hth
00:12:43 <lambdabot> EGLL 172350Z VRB01KT 0500 R27L/P1500 R27R/P1500 FG SCT001 OVC002 06/06 Q1039 TEMPO 0300 VV///
00:12:50 <fizzie> I should've done that when it was seriously foggy.
00:13:17 <fizzie> I guess that's the "FG" part, but I wanted to see if it'd be something fancier.
00:13:33 <fizzie> Because I hear they actually canceled some flights from EGLL, it was that foggy.
00:16:19 <fizzie> Look, here's the Tower Bridge, as seen from the London Bridge: https://zem.fi/tmp/fog.jpg
00:16:36 <fizzie> (Okay, that's not really super-foggy. But it's pretty foggy.)
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00:28:46 <FireFly> I hear Rogue One is a star wars story
00:28:52 <FireFly> I hope that is not a spoiler
00:31:13 <pikhq_> Man! I had $10 on it being a Star Trek story!
00:32:20 <fizzie> I was at a wedding once where one of the guests thought those were the same thing.
00:33:10 <pikhq_> That would've been *real* weird at my mom's wedding if she'd actually gone through with the Klingon ceremony...
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01:40:17 <lambdabot> PAMR 180053Z 00000KT 10SM OVC055 M04/M04 A2944 RMK AO2 SLP971 T10391044 $
01:41:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Minscode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50529 * Challenger5 * (+1037) Created page with "Minscode is a simple langauge based on the Minsky machine. It has 4 registers. <code>A</code>, <code>B</code>, and <code>C</code> are normal numeric registers, <code>c</code>..."
01:42:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Minscode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50530&oldid=50529 * Challenger5 * (-1)
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01:47:52 <zemhill> irctc271: "!ztest progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation.
01:48:29 <irctc271> !ztest test >->+>->+>->+>->+>[[-]>]
01:48:30 <zemhill> irctc271.test: points -33.71, score 3.63, rank 47/47
01:49:22 <zemhill> irctc271.test: points -29.43, score 6.35, rank 47/47
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03:08:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Inline]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50532&oldid=50531 * Serprex * (-1) Micro optimize nops
03:20:31 <zzo38> Can you make up a Magic: the Gathering card that has tribute but not "if the tribute cost wasn't paid"? I can think of a few things that can be done with this.
03:23:49 <zzo38> For example you can write: Tribute 2, Unleash, Undying (this card has no other abilities)
03:24:26 <pikhq_> Foo, {X}. Tribute {X}. X/X.
03:25:19 <zzo38> s/the tribute cost/tribute/
03:27:53 <zzo38> Then make a better one
03:29:09 <zzo38> (A card could also be made that has tribute but that isn't a creature; I have a few ideas about that too)
03:36:29 <pikhq_> "If tribute was paid, each player gets X mana."
03:37:26 <zzo38> OK, that is another idea; instead of if wasn't paid, make it, if tribute is paid.
03:55:43 <zzo38> This is another custom card: If ~ is a card and the ante zone is empty, ~'s owner loses the game.
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03:59:02 <zzo38> If you cannot win with this, then you are not good enough at this game.
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04:02:47 <zzo38> (and if I cannot win with this, then I am also not good enough at this game.)
04:30:19 <shachaf> What if I cannot win with this?
04:31:15 <zzo38> Then you cannot win with this. But, maybe later, it can be figure out.
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07:21:23 <function> is there a nice name for this operation: points.map(_._1) ++ points.map(_._2)
07:21:30 <function> Its not unzipping, but its close?
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08:36:59 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: they are called abundant numbers
08:44:10 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Specifically, I'm thinking about what determines antiprimes.
08:45:44 <hppavilion[1]> sigma_0(n) is equal to the cardinality of the power bag of ςn, or equivalently the product of the successors of the nonzero multiplicities of ςn
08:46:00 <hppavilion[1]> (ςn is the prime factorization of n expressed as a multiset/bag)
08:48:26 <hppavilion[1]> The smallest x with |ςx| = n is, of course, x = 2^n (since changing the prime factorization at all will only increase the number, as 2 is the least prime)
08:50:40 <hppavilion[1]> Basically, my hypothesis is that |ςx|/|strip ςx| (where strip B is the set of values without multiplicities of B)- that is, how "diverse" of a number it is- of increasing antiprimes x will approach some constant.
08:51:01 <hppavilion[1]> There's a nonzero chance this was solved 100 years ago, honestly, but I'm curious
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09:42:46 <hppavilion[1]> Wait. Do Octonions describe transformations in some k-space the way Quaternions are transformations in 3-space, Complexes are transformations in 2-space, and Reals are transformations in 1-space??
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09:58:38 <hppavilion[1]> Is there a name for the property that e(ee) = (ee)e, e(e(ee)) = (ee)(ee) = e(ee)e = ((ee)e)e, etc. for all e in an algebra?
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10:39:22 <\oren\> argh, I got destroyed in HOI4 again. Bulgaria declared war on romania and long story short the USA nuked rome, and I lost
10:42:07 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Wait Bulgaria did wha‽- oh, wait, video game
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10:57:12 <Jafet> hppavilion[1]: assoce(eate)(ev(ee)te)e and commutat(e(eve)et(ee))
10:57:39 <hppavilion[1]> Jafet: It has to be the SAME e every time, correct?
10:59:49 <Jafet> well, that's a more specific propertee
11:04:47 <HackEgo> [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0420 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ER]
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11:36:22 <izabera> wat-grandma passed away yesterday
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16:10:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Serprex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50534&oldid=50521 * Serprex * (+304) Inline/NULL
16:13:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[NULL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50535&oldid=50533 * Serprex * (+23) Update Hello World! example program with fix from 2006 discussion
16:13:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50536&oldid=50523 * Redstarcoder * (-69) Undo revision 50523 by [[Special:Contributions/Anirudhb|Anirudhb]] ([[User talk:Anirudhb|talk]]) - there's nothing "erroneous" about the current hello world, it requires one less instruction, and is the most common usage for outputting the entire stack
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17:35:54 <Notebook> I had this great idea for an Esolang.
17:36:35 <sam[0]> How do you do it again?
17:37:06 <HackEgo> Notebook: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
17:37:06 <HackEgo> Notebook: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
17:37:10 <HackEgo> [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT]
17:37:26 <int-e> I mean HackEgo is just slow again
17:37:39 <sam[0]> But the bot is struggling
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17:37:43 <Notebook> Can I bounce an idea of of you?
17:37:53 <Notebook> Just to make sure no one has already done it?
17:38:34 <Notebook> You haven't even heard the idea. ;^^
17:38:51 <izabera> is it the 976th brainfuck derivative?
17:39:13 <Notebook> I haven't thought of a name for it yet!
17:39:29 <Notebook> But you make one of those old ASCII maps, and that's the code.
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17:39:54 <Notebook> Basically, a mountain 'Â' is 'print'
17:40:31 <Notebook> I just thought of it now, so I'm not sure.
17:41:06 <Notebook> Has someone already done this?
17:43:31 <Notebook> Ok, one sec. Will conceptualize it in pastebin. Brb
17:48:36 <Notebook> Ok, I wrote up the water syntax and usage.
17:48:45 <Notebook> Just to show the general style.
17:49:19 <Notebook> Note that that is just part of the language.
17:55:39 <izabera> what else can you do other than U O ~ ?
17:57:40 <Notebook> It may be a little like Brainfuck in it's printing and character selection method.
17:57:43 <int-e> basically, when looking at an esoteric programming language, the important question is what one can do; what the basic operations are, how data is stored, how control flow works. syntax tends to be quite unimportant (though it can make programming harder and less conventional, see Befunge for an example)
17:58:29 <Notebook> Well, I've decided I'm going to start building it, and tinker with it.
17:59:13 <Notebook> And I'm going to listen to a really amazing song in Japanese! (Which I don't understand. ;^^)
18:08:12 <Notebook> It may evolve a bit while I'm building it.
18:43:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50538&oldid=49690 * Erikkonstas * (+2) LOL JUST FIXED SRS MISTAKE!
18:49:27 <Notebook> I have to go to the store soon.
18:51:23 <Notebook> So that I can get Haskell to work on my iPod.
18:52:00 <Notebook> Unless someone can recommend a better language to write an interpreter in.
18:52:57 <Notebook> This is ironic. There's a ton of you, but this place is really quiet.
18:53:06 <Notebook> It's quieter than some small chats.
18:55:19 <Notebook> I feel like I'm going to be the most talkative here.
19:02:58 <Notebook> Is there anyone who is actually here?
19:04:55 <fungot> int-e: may cause extreme loss of appetite! may cause severe diarrhea and vomiting!
19:05:25 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
19:05:53 <shachaf> `addquote <int-e> fungot is here <fungot> int-e: may cause extreme loss of appetite! may cause severe diarrhea and vomiting!
19:06:06 <HackEgo> 1301) <int-e> fungot is here <fungot> int-e: may cause extreme loss of appetite! may cause severe diarrhea and vomiting!
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19:10:34 <Notebook> Maybe I should make a language purely for the design of IRC bots?
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19:11:43 <Notebook> Just a set of shortcuts for more efficient AI design.
19:12:16 <LKoen> just saw the harry potter movie
19:12:23 <LKoen> (the one that doesn't have harry potter in it)
19:13:25 <LKoen> well, it's good entertainment.
19:13:47 <Notebook> It would also look bad if I watched it.
19:13:55 <Notebook> One of the reasons my name sucks.
19:14:28 <LKoen> I did not understand that?
19:14:46 <Notebook> Everyone makes jokes about Harry Potter.
19:14:57 <Notebook> And having a tiny scar on my forehead doesn't help at all.
19:14:59 <LKoen> well, Harry Potter is not in this film
19:15:16 <LKoen> also I don't think they ask for your name when you buy a theatre ticket
19:15:25 <LKoen> though that may depend on the country you live in
19:15:34 <Notebook> But if I liked it, I could never mention it to my schoolmates.
19:15:53 <LKoen> and if they offer a discount for students / elderly / unemployed / whichever, they might ask for an id for proof
19:16:18 <zzo38> Can you decline the discount?
19:16:28 <Notebook> Anyway, can I bounce an idea off you?
19:16:44 <LKoen> (to both questions)
19:17:10 <Notebook> An Esolang designed purely for AI building.
19:17:53 <Notebook> Basically just an easy to learn DIY AI kit.
19:17:58 <LKoen> do you mean like tensorflow?
19:18:03 <Notebook> But I'd have to learn AI design first.
19:18:48 <LKoen> there are tools, but probably not for "ai in general"
19:19:18 <LKoen> I haven't heard of any tools for decision trees for instance.
19:19:29 <LKoen> (though I may not be the most informed person about this kind of stuff)
19:19:57 <LKoen> zzo38: do you know of any tools for decision trees?
19:20:37 <LKoen> oh I've got another question you might have an answer for
19:20:52 <LKoen> if you had to design playing cards, what tool would you use?
19:21:02 <LKoen> I'm not talking about making the drawing, but rather the mise en page
19:21:05 <int-e> @google "BDD libraries"
19:21:07 <lambdabot> Title: JavaBDD - Java Binary Decision Diagram library
19:21:20 <zzo38> LKoen: I do not quite understand you. What is "mise en page"?
19:21:44 <LKoen> well, the putting everything together part
19:21:44 <int-e> meh, Java... anyway that may serve as a keyword
19:22:14 <LKoen> if I already have images for the cards, and the text that's supposed to go on them, and I want to design the card using all that, what would I use?
19:22:52 <zzo38> Can you provide an example? I still do not quite understand
19:23:08 <LKoen> well, say if I wanted to design a magic the gathering card
19:23:21 <LKoen> or a pokemon card, or any game card really
19:23:34 <zzo38> I just keep everything in a text file, and then you can put them into a SQLite database.
19:23:34 <int-e> You mean just the frame and placement of elements?
19:23:56 <zzo38> To render them, currently there is only MSE which isn't very good in my opinion, although I intend I can make up Texnicard it is better one.
19:24:58 <int-e> zzo38: Texnicard being another of your named vaporware projects?
19:25:15 <zzo38> Yes, so far it is vaporware projects
19:25:20 <LKoen> that's disappointing. I'll probably use a regular image editor then
19:26:38 <int-e> LKoen: I'm thinking that HTML+CSS or perhaps some SVG template may not be the worst options, though a bit low-level.
19:27:28 <int-e> But I don't know your requirements, what will the end product be? Physical cards or some software?
19:28:56 <zzo38> With the more help, we can make up Texnicard more quickly and more better too.
19:28:59 <int-e> I might actually piece the elements together with a library like cairo then (which can generate bitmaps, SVG and also PDF).
19:29:15 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJY195YSUs
19:29:31 <zzo38> I would use farbfeld to read/write pictures, and TFM and PK (as well as possibly an extended metric format) for fonts, and SQLite for data storage and scripting.
19:29:34 <shachaf> Wait, Texnicard is vaporware?
19:30:31 <zzo38> It would be all command-line based, although with an option to use an external text editor perhaps.
19:31:29 <\oren\> for some reason this time Japan joined the Allies and russia nuked berlin, and I lost.
19:31:31 <zzo38> Do you think this is good?
19:32:55 <\oren\> I have to conside that maybe I'm not cut out for HOI4
19:34:23 <zzo38> Sometimes is said only white mana symbol is the new one, but actually all of them are.
19:35:06 <zzo38> Also, the oldest template is a bit different from the Fifth Edition template.
19:35:19 <fizzie> You watch one video of an opossum eating strawberries, and suddenly YouTube thinks all you want to see is opossums eating things.
19:35:26 <shachaf> Colorless is the newest color of mana.
19:35:46 <int-e> colorless has become a color?
19:35:46 <shachaf> fizzie: is youtube wrong though
19:35:53 <zzo38> It isn't a color of mana. Just now there is a symbol for it.
19:35:55 <shachaf> No, colorless is still not a color.
19:36:07 <shachaf> But now a cost can require explicitly colorless karma, rather than any color.
19:36:19 <zzo38> Yes, in a few cases it can.
19:36:22 <fizzie> shachaf: Well, maybe not *entirely* wrong.
19:36:36 <\oren\> basically now there are separate symbols for "colorless" and "any color, including colorless"
19:36:59 <zzo38> Yes, there is now a separate symbol for colorless mana as for generic mana.
19:37:03 <shachaf> Well, those are different in covariant and contravariant usage.
19:37:16 <zzo38> Adding generic mana into your mana pool still results in colorless.
19:37:18 <shachaf> If something produces {1} that means the same thing as producing colorless.
19:37:43 <shachaf> But there's a difference between consuming {1} (any color or no color) and consuming whatever the colorless symbol is.
19:38:06 <zzo38> Yes, that is how it is working.
19:38:18 <LKoen> so what you're saying is that colourless is a colour now
19:38:54 <zzo38> Not really. It is and always was one of the six types of mana; just now it has a symbol which can be use to consume specifically that type.
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19:43:45 <int-e> Hmm, what about an artifact creature that has abilities {R} - $this becomes red until end of turn, for all colors, and "$this gets +1/+1 for each color it has"?
19:44:43 <zzo38> A colorless object has no colors, and an effect like that overrides its colors rather than adding (unless it specifically says otherwise).
19:45:07 <zzo38> You can write "becomes red in addition to its other colors" though.
19:47:34 <\oren\> I've added some new stuff to my font
19:48:49 <\oren\> that did not go as planned
19:49:27 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x309 0x319 | sed s/./ &/g
19:49:29 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /g: No such file or directory
19:49:41 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x309 0x319 | sed -e 's/./ &/g'
19:49:42 <HackEgo> ̉ ̊ ̋ ̌ ̍ ̎ ̏ \ ̐ ̑ ̒ ̓ ̔ ̕ ̖ ̗ ̘ ̙
19:49:55 <int-e> > text "\x309\x319"
19:52:39 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x300 0x319 | sed -e 's/./ &/g'
19:52:41 <HackEgo> ̀ ́ ̂ ̃ ̄ ̅ ̆ ̇ ̈ ̉ ̊ ̋ ̌ ̍ ̎ ̏ \ ̐ ̑ ̒ ̓ ̔ ̕ ̖ ̗ ̘ ̙
19:54:00 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x14EB 0x1504
19:54:02 <HackEgo> ᓫᓬᓭᓮᓯ \ ᓰᓱᓲᓳᓴᓵᓶᓷᓸᓹᓺᓻᓼᓽᓾᓿ \ ᔀᔁᔂᔃᔄ
19:54:50 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x20D0 0x20D8
19:55:06 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x20D0 0x20D8 | sed -e 's/./ &/g'
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19:55:55 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x29B7 0x29B1
19:56:09 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x29B7 0x29C1
19:57:16 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x29E1 0x29D7
19:57:20 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x29E1 0x29E7
20:00:26 <\oren\> int-e: you need a better font
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20:01:03 <\oren\> `` u8tbl 0x29F4 0x29F9
20:02:22 <\oren\> 𝑳𝑴𝑵𝑶𝑷𝑸𝑹𝑺𝑻𝑼𝑽𝑾𝑿𝒀𝒁𝒂𝒃𝒄𝒅𝒆𝒇𝒈𝒉𝒊𝒋𝒍𝒎𝒏𝒐𝒑𝒒𝒓𝒔𝒕𝒖𝒗𝒘𝒙𝒚𝒛
20:02:36 <int-e> \oren\: only if I cared what was in those boxes but it's not christmas yet
20:02:39 <\oren\> 𝗨𝗩𝗪𝗫𝗬𝗭𝗮𝗯𝗰𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗴𝗵𝗶𝗷𝗸𝗹𝗺𝗻𝗼𝗽𝗾𝗿𝘀𝘁𝘂𝘃𝘄𝘅𝘆𝘇𝘈𝘉𝘊𝘋𝘌𝘍𝘎𝘏𝘐𝘑𝘒𝘓𝘔𝘕𝘖𝘗𝘘𝘙𝘚𝘛𝘜𝘝𝘞𝘟𝘠𝘡𝘢𝘣𝘤𝘥𝘦𝘧
20:03:40 <\oren\> I added some new mathematical operators, and three new mathematical decorative alphabets
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20:10:52 <\oren\> int-e: do you like bold italic letters?
20:13:40 <int-e> well, interestingly they are not displayed as boxes.
20:13:52 <HackEgo> [U+1D63B MATHEMATICAL SANS-SERIF ITALIC SMALL Z]
20:14:08 <int-e> but as small black ovals with question marks
20:14:42 <int-e> but in any case, I think it's stupid that unicode has those
20:18:11 <int-e> Yes, mathematicians tend to give different meanings to the same letter written in different fonts, but why would unicode need to support carrying that bit of information... and even if such support is deemed desirable, wouldn't a modifier have been enough?
20:18:41 <\oren\> it's stupid, but useful for formatting in text-only channels such as twitter
20:19:08 <\oren\> even if the unicode people think that use is wrong
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20:43:58 <int-e> There's #haskell and #haskell-beginners on Freenode.
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21:09:27 <\oren\> gnu unifont has wrong appearance for U+29C2 and U+29C3
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21:44:47 <zemhill> web.Multiplication: points -42.86, score 0.78, rank 47/47
21:44:56 <zemhill> web.Multiplication: points -42.86, score 0.78, rank 47/47 (--)
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21:48:10 <zemhill> web.Outputdigits: points -32.90, score 5.04, rank 47/47
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22:11:07 <fizzie> Uh. Those things look like regular brainfuck programs, not BFJoust ones.
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22:11:34 <fizzie> Well, somewhat mangled regular brainfuck programs.
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22:13:13 <shachaf> But note that #haskell-beginners has nothing to do with #haskell, it's just a channel some person made.
22:13:39 <shachaf> In particular a person who's an author of a bad book about Haskell.
22:14:22 <shachaf> The fact that it exists is not an indicator that beginners shouldn't be in #haskell, for example.
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22:59:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kelxquoia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50539&oldid=33553 * Serprex * (+46) Implemented
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23:01:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Serprex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50540&oldid=50534 * Serprex * (+113) Klexquoia
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23:02:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Serprex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50541&oldid=50540 * Serprex * (+0) typo klex -> kelx
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23:08:11 <tswett_> You know, I think true and false ought to correspond to 0 and 1, respectively.
23:08:44 <tswett_> Clearly the boolean value "true" is the "identity" value, as opposed to "false", which is the "inverse" value.
23:09:02 <tswett_> Just like how 0 is the "identity" value in the field of integers modulo 2, while 1 is the "inverse" value.
23:09:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50542&oldid=40587 * Serprex * (+164) ELVM
23:09:10 <tswett_> Especially if s/field/group/
23:09:25 <tswett_> s/field/cyclic group/, even.
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23:21:59 <__s> tswett_: hoon went that route
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