00:01:27 <quintopia> hmm. it loses something in the translation
00:07:00 <boily> «On part ensemble, mais c'est toujours un adieu... Et peut-être reviendrons-nous, sur la Terre, mais qui peut le dire? ♪»
00:07:21 * boily doo doo doo doooo do do do do dooo ♪♪♪
00:07:43 <int-e> wow, 2 months after this reinstall... bash: rlwrap: command not found
00:08:06 <int-e> I really thought I'd use this command more frequently than that.
00:08:56 <shachaf> Can you believe people still install packages imperatively like that?
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00:34:16 <int-e> shachaf: I rather suspect that this may be one of those rhetorical questions that I'm hearing so much about.
00:34:18 <HackEgo> 1/2:lystrosaurus//Lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which ruled the world around 250 million years ago. \ primative//A primative is a reference to a value that you were robbed of. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ coonspirator//A coonspirator is caterpillar silk wrapped in collabora
00:34:29 <HackEgo> 2/2:tors. \ comonad//Comonads are just monads in the dual category. They are hard to get into.
00:34:37 <shachaf> int-e: It's ridiculous, isn't it?
00:35:14 <shachaf> Your system state is the end result of a bunch of "apt" commands that you ran and already forgot.
00:35:26 <shachaf> Depending on the order that you ran them in and so on.
00:35:32 <shachaf> Also a bunch of files that you edited, and other things.
00:36:06 <shachaf> Instead what you want is a file that says what state you want things to be in.
00:36:17 <int-e> well, if I had wanted to I could've just grabbed the previous list of packages and installed everything
00:36:49 <int-e> but I like the idea of using a reinstall to prune packages I don't need. there's a tradeoff.
00:36:54 <shachaf> That's a weak approximation of what I'm saying, but, sure, probably better than nothing.
00:37:29 <shachaf> The list of packages you're using should be checked in to version control or something.
00:37:31 <int-e> and anyway I find nix too crazy.
00:37:43 <shachaf> Nix has downsides but this aspect of it is very reasonable.
00:38:09 <int-e> (which I believe gets the closest to what you describe)
00:38:36 <shachaf> Yes, I started using Nix a little bit lately, and I have a file like that.
00:38:58 <shachaf> It has a list of packages I want. When I want a package I add it to the list, and when I don't want a package I remove it from the list.
00:39:14 <shachaf> But it's complicated and there are things I don't like.
00:39:45 <boily> incidentally, I managed to compile nix on cygwin. it compiles, but then trying to run the nix-shell results in a DLL linkage error...
00:39:58 <shachaf> What would you do if you wanted to run service on a whole bunch of machines?
00:40:06 <shachaf> How would you manage that?
00:40:10 <int-e> a real point for me is that while I do have several computers that I'm using they all need different sets of packages anyway, though there's a common core.
00:40:15 <shachaf> I should say "a whole bunch of services", probably.
00:40:37 <int-e> I guess the modern answer is "use docker" ;-)
00:40:40 <shachaf> int-e: That sounds like all the more reason to keep track of it in an organized way.
00:40:44 <int-e> (or somesuch thing)
00:41:09 <int-e> it's not enough of a pain to automate
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00:41:25 <int-e> I mean, https://xkcd.com/1205/
00:41:42 <shachaf> It's not just a matter of saving time.
00:42:20 <shachaf> By the way, I started running prometheus and node_exporter on my laptop recently. It's great.
00:43:07 <int-e> shachaf: maybe this wasn't clear from the above, but I wasn't annoyed by the fact that rlwrap wasn't already installed. installing it was quick and painless and I learned something new (though perhaps not terribly interesting) about my use of *this* computer.
00:43:34 <shachaf> There are better ways, I think, to learn these sorts of facts.
00:43:59 <int-e> I'm sure there are
00:45:17 <shachaf> Are you able to view a graph of CPU usage etc. over the past few hours?
00:46:04 <int-e> why would I devote 0.01% of my CPU time to that? :P
00:46:11 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration#Notation has a few options; the most standard seems to be \exp^h_b(c) in LaTeX
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00:47:16 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
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00:48:24 <shachaf> The last sentence, I mean.
00:56:34 <oerjan> what about the second last?
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01:08:52 <shachaf> oerjan: every last sentence is correct hth
01:12:40 * oerjan is playing QWOP. curse you comic irregulars.
01:13:15 <hppavilion1> oerjan: Because it generalizes to higher hyperoperations
01:14:52 <shachaf> oerjan: That game is pretty easy, isn't it?
01:15:12 <oerjan> well i _have_ finished the track twice now.
01:15:18 <shachaf> You can win it with only q and w
01:15:24 <shachaf> Or only two keys, at any rate.
01:15:28 <shachaf> I don't remember which two.
01:15:36 <oerjan> that sounds like my strategy.
01:16:00 <oerjan> except i use o to correct posture sometimes, and p to get over that middle obstacle
01:16:47 <shachaf> I guess it doesn't allow you to jump far in the end.
01:16:56 <oerjan> indeed. 100.1 m both times.
01:17:12 <oerjan> it also doesn't allow you to avoid tripping the obstacle.
01:17:34 <shachaf> Hold Q for a while, then press W to stabilize.
01:17:44 <shachaf> I think that strategy can get you all the way to the end.
01:18:05 <shachaf> Maybe you need some trick with the obstacle, but I think you can stick with those two keys.
01:18:39 <oerjan> well my problem with using only q and w is that the back leg gets too bent eventually if i don't get the rhythm precisely right, which i don't yet.
01:18:51 <oerjan> and then i use o to straighten it.
01:19:13 <shachaf> Try a brief Q press and then W to stabilize.
01:19:27 <oerjan> shachaf: um i tell you i've been doing this.
01:19:37 <shachaf> You don't need rhythm for that, though?
01:20:12 <oerjan> well the rhythm is for getting a little more speed... this was my second success so i tried to do a little better.
01:20:35 <oerjan> i agree that it's probably _possible_ with just q and w.
01:23:02 <oerjan> i'm trying that, up to 17 m now
01:23:51 <oerjan> and the front leg gets awkwardly straight, too
01:24:33 <oerjan> so i'm constantly in danger of tipping backwards.
01:24:57 <shachaf> look, my goal was simplicity, not speed
01:25:14 <shachaf> if you keep taking risks by holding q for too long you'll fall eventually
01:25:28 <hppavilion1> http://anglish.wikia.com/wiki/Anglish_wordbook uses "they"
01:26:38 <pikhq> To be fair, "Anglish" is principly about removing Romantic influences.
01:26:48 <pikhq> "their" is a loan, but it's a Germanic loan.
01:26:56 <hppavilion1> pikhq: It's about removing foreign influences, mostly
01:27:06 <pikhq> It's also a *very* old one.
01:27:17 <pikhq> The loan was adopted during the Old English period.
01:29:15 <hppavilion1> pikhq: It's xnorly and I will fucking cut you if you say otherwise
01:29:31 <pikhq> Eh, what do I know, I am formally a very uneducated man.
01:29:56 <shachaf> i know nothing at all, formally
01:30:07 <pikhq> Oh, you don't even have a high school degree or equivalent?
01:31:19 <oerjan> ok now just my back lower leg is stuck in the obstacle
01:32:02 <shachaf> what system do you formalize those in twh
01:32:14 <pikhq> I'm pretty sure all of your countries of citizenship have such a thing.
01:32:43 <shachaf> the legal system is inconsistent hth
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01:45:36 <hppavilion1> Hm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_inventions_and_discoveries
01:46:01 <oerjan> fantastic. i got it all to the end then messed it up by trying to do something special. which seems to have triggered a bug https://imgur.com/a/IgOG5
01:46:03 <HackEgo> tanebscoveries? ¯\(°_o)/¯
01:46:18 <hppavilion1> shachaf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nathan_van_Doorn disagrees
01:47:01 <shachaf> the english, the english, the english are best; / i wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest
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01:50:35 <oerjan> shachaf: anyway, definitely possible even if i missed 0.7 m
02:03:30 <oerjan> <schoolboy> if it fits do add to the listing <-- hm, not esoteric
02:13:06 <oerjan> @tell int-e <int-e> and don't forget web comics <-- you forgot MtG hth
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02:19:22 <oerjan> hm "citimate" should have been the antonym
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02:41:26 <HackEgo> merchantable//Merchantable adj. Capable of being chanted by mermaids.
02:41:33 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: stupidity: not found
02:41:53 <hppavilion1> I would've guessed enchantable by mermaids
02:42:32 <boily> an enchantment has to be chanted first. elemermentary.
02:45:34 <HackEgo> Who cares about ancient cases anyway?
02:45:47 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whose: not found
02:45:51 <boily> . o O ( we are the champions, but every hand clap it's 10% faster )
02:46:06 <HackEgo> lie bracket//Politicians try to stay within the lie bracket: Not so many lies that voters cannot stand it, but not so few that they think you have nothing to give them.
02:46:33 <hppavilion1> boily: The Original Trilogy, but every time someone eats a banana it's 5% faster
02:52:41 <boily> as far as I can tell, there aren't any bananas in them.
02:53:15 <boily> in fact, the only work of fiction that I know for a fact that has bananas is Gravity's Rainbow.
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02:54:06 <boily> (there's also that thing with the small yellow guys that I refuse to aknowledge, and nobody has any proof I went to the theatre to watch it.)
02:56:19 <alercah> `addquote <boily> (there's also that thing with the small yellow guys that I refuse to aknowledge, and nobody has any proof I went to the theatre to watch it.)
02:56:22 <HackEgo> 1306) <boily> (there's also that thing with the small yellow guys that I refuse to aknowledge, and nobody has any proof I went to the theatre to watch it.)
02:57:01 <izabera> i need a name for a collection of programs to manage processes
02:57:10 <izabera> but pmutils is taken https://pm-utils.freedesktop.org/wiki/
02:57:17 <izabera> and so is pmtools http://search.cpan.org/dist/pmtools/lib/pmtools.pm
02:57:32 <boily> hellorcah. bleh :P
02:58:04 <boily> hellochaf. I can't deny nor confirm nothing at all whatsoever la la la la la la can't hear you ♪
02:58:29 * boily throws a smoke bomb and flees away
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03:02:06 <hppavilion1> "plord" is fun to say. plordplordplordplord.
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03:07:47 <izabera> you're terrible at naming things
03:13:15 <oerjan> hppavilion1: it's deplordable
03:13:46 <hppavilion1> izabera: It's the process overlord. Obviously.
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05:23:06 <Sgeo> Not sure why I seem so intent on avoiding Hearthstone
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07:03:51 <zzo38> I have a book about philosophy. They included Thomas Aquinas and about his five proofs of God (they are defective), as well as in other section the proof that there is no God (also defective), and also Theseus, sorites, etc. Do you know about these thing?
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12:11:58 <lambdabot> hppavilion1 asked 9h 4m 47s ago: Do your CHICKEN prefixes ever repeat, or are they drawn from some finite set and removed as they are used?
12:12:01 <HackEgo> ol//OL stands for Original Lyrics. A person who sings songs unmodified is called an OList.
12:13:34 <boily> @tell hppavilion1 hppavellon1. I try to always use a new prefix from memory, but sometimes I repeat. fizzie had compiled a list some time ago.
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12:14:02 <boily> @tell hppavilion[1] hppavellon[1]. please peruse the unbracketed message.
12:14:26 <HackEgo> smlist//Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega.
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12:59:27 <fizzie> @tell hppavilion1 http://sprunge.us/FIcQ
12:59:38 <fizzie> @tell hppavilion1 (Old data.)
13:00:44 <kritixi> What's with all the chickens?
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13:49:09 <Jafet> that looks like enough to start a chicken ^style
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15:23:12 <int-e> heh, the lack of pants is evolving into a running gag (GG)
15:23:46 <int-e> @tell oerjan Indeed I did.
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15:26:10 <dario_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/41636963/data-compression-algorithm-and-vm-micro-code-code-optimization-program-based-co
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18:01:02 <\oren\> Ooh epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36s2Q7JrLgs
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23:19:20 <HackEgo> for further details//who knows
23:20:06 <HackEgo> 1/3:queuestack//Queuestack is when you're confused about whether something should be a queue or a stack, and end up with a complete mess. See https://xkcd.com/954/ . \ links//links is one of the very few HTML renderers that doesn't try to store a full document tree with heavyweight objects for each node just in case javascript wants to mo
23:20:16 <HackEgo> 2/3:dify it later, so it's the only engine that can render those HTMLs that are automatically converted from a PDF and put each letter in a separate element. \ danish//In Danish, the word for "island" is just "ø" for øfficiency reasons. \ tc//Tc is the abbreviation for Technetium, an element so sophisticated that it does not exist natur
23:20:20 <HackEgo> 3/3:ally. \ fizzie//fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
23:20:28 <shachaf> now i wonder who put in that links entry
23:21:02 <HackEgo> 9527:2016-10-30 <oerjän> slwd links//s/are/is/;s/don/doesn/;s/letter to/letter in/ \ 6559:2016-01-14 <b_jonäs> ` mv -i wisdom/link{,s}
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23:54:10 <HackEgo> 1/2:splay//Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume. \ finity//Enjoy being locked in your matrix of finity. \ vaarsuviu//Vaarsuvius is female. The Word of God about that is right at http://www.giantitp.com/FAQ.html#faq1
23:54:35 <HackEgo> 2/2:0 , right above where he tells the comic updates three times a week (twice a week according to the TOC). \ marriage//Marriage was made legal in the United States on 2015-06-26. \ typoerjan//typoerjan is oerjan's clumsy twin.
23:54:39 <HackEgo> 1/2:splay//Splay is a painful pastime that is dual to cosplay and the supersymmetric partner of ordinary play. Recuperation, when even possible, may require wearing a stume. \ finity//Enjoy being locked in your matrix of finity. \ vaarsuviu//Vaarsuvius is female. The Word of God about that is right at http://www.giantitp.com/FAQ.html#faq1
23:55:14 <boily> in all the conventions I attended, I never cosplayed. 'tis shameful.
23:56:37 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
23:58:37 <boily> hellochaf. do you have pictures?