< 1484612320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1484612498 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50741&oldid=50738 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10Order! < 1484612511 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484613153 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1484613270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-blood < 1484613270 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 7h 45m 40s ago: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170106 http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170116 ... am I the only one who's expecting that "Queen of the < 1484613270 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dawn" to stab Martellus any moment now? < 1484613336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e hm i hadn't thought of that, i was assuming she'd try to wasp him or whatever she's done to control the northern sparks < 1484613336 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1484614070 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helm, the wiki doesn't support SVG < 1484614109 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an svg of K_5- that I can't find a place to put, and I thought of going for the wiki (it'd probably have use elsewhere as well), but the wiki doesn't seem to support svg < 1484614180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at fizzie  < 1484614199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else probably can't fix it. < 1484614212 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's a derivative of a Wikipedia one, so it can't go on the wiki, can it... < 1484614212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well technically Gregor could) < 1484614221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. < 1484614242 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1484614305 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access, but I didn't set it up and know nothing about its setup/configuration/etc. < 1484614319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "technically" < 1484614328 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1484614343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just migrated it over, and know next to nothing about MediaWiki, but I'm a bit surprised at not having SVG support. Maybe it needs a thing. < 1484614371 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it still needs to be explicitly enabled. < 1484614382 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the SVG converter selected.) < 1484614491 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought someone would have used SVG already - there are all kinds of pictures on the wiki these days. < 1484614519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so i hear) < 1484614566 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: same idea, stabbing just sounds more dramatic ;) < 1484614617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but they're all jeipegs, pengs or jiffs. < 1484614627 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because we haven't enabled SVG support. < 1484614664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you trying to give people pronunciation aneurysms, it won't work on me though < 1484614714 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :use tiff, the pronouncible image format! < 1484614759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ea < 1484614823 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that's about the only positive thing that can be said about tiff, unless you count flexibility as an advantage) < 1484614852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the "union of N standards" kind of flexibiity. < 1484614885 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's still somehow the high-bit-depth image format everyone uses. < 1484615108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Das tiffste Format < 1484615140 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why am I playing gplanarity... < 1484615143 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe 16-bits-per-channel PNGs were a thing all the way from PNG 1.0, and still people put that stuff in tiffs. < 1484615191 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a planarity game in the sgtatham puzzle collection. < 1484615216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play it on my phone sometimes. < 1484615300 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gplanarity has the twist that many levels are actually based on crossing numbers < 1484615372 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I saw that < 1484615373 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I played gplanarity as well. It's definitely more elaborate. < 1484615386 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get "Objective: 3 intersections" or "Objective: fewer than 7 intersections" < 1484615398 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It needs to be turned on, but it doesn't appear to need an extension or anything crazy < 1484615459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does need a converter for rendering. Though the (un-recommended) ImageMagick is probably on already. < 1484615474 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you get bonus points for lower numbers of intersections, argh) < 1484616814 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1484616874 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484616895 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1484617063 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484617080 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1484617826 0 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1484618016 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1484619711 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion1 < 1484619727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed < 1484619733 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I dropped my []s D: < 1484619738 0 :hppavilion1!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1484619765 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1484619943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom hppa < 1484619945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1//higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed < 1484620177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484620318 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1484620439 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484620456 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1484622176 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484622971 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484623314 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484624064 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484624684 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1484624690 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1484624699 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE ARE YOUR []S < 1484624719 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: AAAAGH < 1484624815 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you ever say 'Uff da' (sometimes also spelled huffda, uff-da, uffda, uff-dah, oofda, ufda, ufdah, oofta, or uf daa) < 1484624890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near as commonly as the minnesotan stereotype, i hear < 1484624910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i would say "uff då" in my dialect. < 1484624992 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nyorsk or Bokmål? < 1484625010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynorsk and bokmål aren't dialects hth < 1484625026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's accidentally identical to the nynorsk spelling, i think < 1484625035 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1484625089 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 1000000000 ppb Norwegian on his father's side < 1484625132 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe not < 1484625136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speak a northern norwegian dialect. we tend to chop off suffixes on things... < 1484625171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the infinitive. < 1484625295 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i would use "uff då" more if i was the kind of person to try hard not to swear... < 1484625314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really sort of a very weak euphemism. < 1484625359 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is ~10% irish but doesn't knwo any irish < 1484625403 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely know any french either. < 1484625846 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484626019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50742&oldid=50741 5* 03Dpleshkov 5* (+86) 10/* Introductions */ < 1484626031 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniBitMove14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50743 5* 03Dpleshkov 5* (+538) 10A two-command esoteric language < 1484626133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniBitMove14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50744&oldid=50743 5* 03Dpleshkov 5* (-9) 10 < 1484626239 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50745&oldid=50688 5* 03Dpleshkov 5* (+18) 10/* M */ < 1484626973 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484627369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50746&oldid=50742 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10ORDER, i said < 1484627409 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly there are two in a day who put it at the beginning. < 1484627823 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484627892 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484628447 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484629111 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484632964 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1484633133 0 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1484633710 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Norway might be the easiest country to immigrate to, legally speaking, period. < 1484633965 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surprised < 1484634142 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't really been paying attention though < 1484634268 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind being Svalbard, the requirements to move to Norway are: afford a plane ticket. < 1484634278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh svalbard < 1484634288 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being in Svalbard. < 1484634288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, of course. < 1484634321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be aware that you're then not included in the general norwegian welfare system. < 1484634326 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1484634340 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, 7 years later you can apply for citizenship. < 1484634355 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, granted, seems like *more* than sufficient payment in exchange for living there. :P < 1484634361 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1484634618 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I imagine it's a bit tricky being *employed* in Svalbard. < 1484634827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think there are various research facilities. < 1484634832 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484634874 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484634900 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was more referring to the fact that it's sparsely populated. < 1484634901 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing < 1484634908 0 :hppavilion2!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1484634918 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2,600 people "sparse". < 1484634925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TESTING < 1484634930 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Pong < 1484634931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lud < 1484634931 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 3d 18h 21m 29s ago: hppavellon[1]. please peruse the unbracketed message. < 1484634950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, hppavilion1 is not a registered nickname < 1484634953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't ghost it < 1484634971 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helm, my computer says I have no internet < 1484634973 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm here < 1484634974 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1484635028 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1 should time out aaaaaanyyyy second now < 1484635046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's connecting from the same ip you are, there ought to be _some_ way for you to kill it :P < 1484635052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1484635053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1484635062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have one instance of HexChat open < 1484635072 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, *sparsely* populated is different from "literally no population": there are in fact real, permanent jobs in Svalbard, and if you really wanted to you certainly could move there and live there as long as you felt like. < 1484635074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that e needs to readd his CTCP replies < 1484635091 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484635095 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEEEEESSSS < 1484635098 0 :hppavilion[1]!?@? NICK :hppavilion1 < 1484635102 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE CAN BE ONLY n < 1484635107 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please solve for n) < 1484635110 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lud < 1484635110 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1484635112 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1484635116 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1484635128 0 :hppavilion1!?@? NICK :hppavilion2 < 1484635131 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1484635137 0 :hppavilion2!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1484635138 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1484635152 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I REALLY WANT TO < 1484635205 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, as I was previously discussing, here is how you move to Svalbard: get a job there. Move. < 1484635220 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Interesting strategy... < 1484635224 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, yes you, have the legal right to permanently live in Svalbard. < 1484635397 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484635423 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484635437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1484636146 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484636159 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1484637356 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :so svalbard is like the bay area, then? < 1484639474 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484641997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484642024 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484642467 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:341e:4d98:e6d2:408d JOIN :#esoteric < 1484643455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1484644148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1484644172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484646916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1484647423 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1484647430 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484650817 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:341e:4d98:e6d2:408d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484652459 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-boloxklvgiikldse JOIN :#esoteric < 1484652829 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/3592.html heh heh heh heh heh < 1484652837 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :smitten < 1484653320 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1484653497 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484653536 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part I'm wondering is if legally living in Svalbard counts toward getting a permit for living in Norway < 1484653682 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Generally, it is possible to naturalise as a Norwegian citizen after residing in Norway seven years over the last ten years, if the applicant qualifies for permanent residence and does not have a criminal record.[citation needed]" < 1484654777 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484654845 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484655095 0 :Morph1!~wayd@r201-pw-caracol.ibys.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1484655168 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1484655267 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484656790 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484656832 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484658411 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484658591 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484659487 0 :Morph1!~wayd@r201-pw-caracol.ibys.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello greetings to all < 1484659669 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484659715 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484659768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1484659806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I don't get this. < 1484659811 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be the first time I've used the underscore in months or even years? < 1484659835 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen ais523_ < 1484659835 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI$523_ < 1484659840 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1484659847 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Aether Revolt (the latest expert M:tG expansion set) have two different Ajani Planeswalkers, none of which are reprints? and why? < 1484659856 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sort of < 1484659870 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is from an introductory set called Aether Revolt: Planeswalker Decks < 1484659874 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of them are double-faced or flip or anything, right? < 1484659883 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cards in it are intentionally underpowered in order to prevent anyone but new players wanting htem < 1484659885 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1484659901 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they like to include a planeswalker in the decks because planeswalkers are splashy and new players like owning them < 1484659908 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes, planeswalker decks, that thing that replaces core sets < 1484659911 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an intentionally powered-down planeswalker for the purpose of the product < 1484659919 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Standard-legal but won't appear in boosters < 1484659924 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it < 1484659950 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1484659957 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "Welcome Decks" < 1484659960 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused < 1484659975 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the explanation makes sense to me at the most superficial level < 1484659978 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these stupid products they're doing < 1484659985 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it's an indicator of deeper decisions that may be harder to explain < 1484660004 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planeswalker decks are the replacement for duel decks I think < 1484660042 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that Welcome Decks are basically the continuation of core sets, only they don't come with boosters < 1484660061 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very different from core sets < 1484660078 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :core sets used to be where they printed basic effects like Lightning Strike in order to ensure that they stayed in Standard < 1484660105 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome decks are basically just a small selection of cards to act as a teaser for new players to get them excited, they're given away for free < 1484660125 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planeswalker decks are the entrance-level paid product, but are very weak < 1484660129 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and? don't Welcome Decks contain such basic effects too? they're standard and modern legal for a while. < 1484660145 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at any level of power < 1484660169 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has indirectly lead to removal becoming very weak recently, which might indirectly have lead to the bannings < 1484660241 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see... < 1484660290 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I predicted a while ago that there'd be standard bannings while Kaladesh block was in Standard, but I didn't realise they'd come so soon < 1484660323 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's at least partly a side effect of BFZ block being terrible and SOI block being balanced incorrectly, rather than of Kaladesh block itself < 1484660429 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why Java has a UnicastRemoteObject but no other sorts of RemoteObject, the "Unicast" qualifier looks a lot like it's disambiguating something but it apparently has nothing to disambiguate? < 1484660706 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: Magic 2015 and Origins have extra cards that don't occur in boosters but only in precon decks, are all reprints, are standard (and modern) legal for as long as the core set is, and are printed with the expansion symbol of the core set. they're not cards most players want. I assume that Welcome Deck is a continuation of the same thing, because it's also all precon decks, no boosters, all reprints, standard legal for a rotation, they just don't have a < 1484660714 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ I assume that Welcome Deck is a continuation of the same thing, because it's also all precon decks, no boosters, all reprints, standard legal for a rotation, they just don't have an associated core set. < 1484660803 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome Deck 2016 is that product, I assume it'll be a series of products because it has a number, it's published about a year after Origins. < 1484660866 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome Deck 2016 apparently has 5 decks of 30 cards each, although I couldn't find decklists of them, but 30 cards is ridiculous if it was really intended to be played as precon decks, after they specifically made core sets starting from M2010 (IIRC) have 60 card precon decks rather than 40 card ones so that players can play them immediately. < 1484660919 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the Planeswalker Decks, I don't understand what they are, so I'm fine believing they're like duel decks, some of which also had planeswalkers. < 1484660992 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome Decks are purely intended for new players to get an idea of what the game is like, I think they're only meant to be played against other Welcome Decks < 1484660998 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planeswalker decks are 60 card decks with slightly fancy packaging, so that's quite possible. < 1484661077 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only meant to be played against other Welcome Decks" => that sounds sort of strange. I mean, if you want to give new players a feel of what the game is like, then a deck they can customize by replacing cards and still play sounds like it would be a better idea (even if they aren't actually _good_ at deckbuilding yet) < 1484661125 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want people to spend money at that point :-P < 1484661133 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that the Welcome Decks are given away for free < 1484661159 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/ramp-approval-2016-05-16 says "The cards in [Welcome Decks] are Standard-legal and you can combine any two sample decks to make a deck legal at a Standard tournament." < 1484661403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Java has a UnicastRemoteObject but no other sorts of RemoteObject, the "Unicast" qualifier looks a lot like it's disambiguating something but it apparently has nothing to disambiguate?" => could be a disambiguation against potential future additions? < 1484661437 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible, I guess < 1484661460 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what a MulticastRemoteObject or BroadcastRemoteObject would be semantically, thoguh < 1484661463 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1484661533 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484661590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: as an example, the C++14 standard has classes mutex, timed_mutex, and shared_timed_mutex. timed means you can do a timed wait on it, which isn't the default because it gives overhead even if you don't use that feature; shared means it's a read-write lock. < 1484661627 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no shared_mutex in that standard, but they opted to put "timed" into shared_timed_mutex because they decided maybe in the future they'd add a non-timed shared_mutex. < 1484661647 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shared_mutex is indeed planned for the future C++17 standard. < 1484662545 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first M:tG product I bought was the blue-black theme deck of Coldsnap, called "Snowscape". This one includes 23 snow-covered basic lands, and they're really needed too, because a lot of cards care about snow mana or snow permanents, Rimewind Taskmage the most importantly. < 1484662647 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you started only just after me, then (I started with 9th edition, which is 4 sets earlier) < 1484662661 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I gave up early during Lorwyn and haven't continued since < 1484662661 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snow lands are the most expensive part of the deck, costing more than the rares. No wonder, since they're almost always better than basic lands, which is something Wizards rarely dares to do, and they aren't legendary. < 1484662694 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because I got my cards via booster packs and I didn't see anything to inspire me in the first few Lorwyn boosters I opened < 1484662713 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I _started_ then. It's the first product I owned, not the first one I played. I started one earlier, during Dissension. < 1484662723 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, even closer then < 1484662768 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I rather like Coldsnap, even if most people consider it to have been a bad idea < 1484662788 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards like Martyr of Sands and Rite of Flame are both really interesting (although Rite of Flame ended up getting banned in Modern...) < 1484662837 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1484662910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it's Dissension, not earlier in the Ravnica block, becuase Sky Hussar was in the first decks I played with.) < 1484663010 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: system upgrade < 1484663036 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think the snow lands are sort of a bad idea. Think about it: you need 23 to build your deck, this applies to a lot of decks, because even in decks that have less of a snow theme than this precon, they're almost surely better than ordinary basic lands, but they're distributed only as commons. It's the same mistake as early core sets made by distributing basic lands only as commons, < 1484663089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by the time of Coldsnap they should have known about this problem. < 1484663167 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfihztgvevbbkmpk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1484663297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse than when they printed tribal themes that require you to get 30 elves or 30 clerics or 30 soldiers for your deck, because there's only five snow-covered basic lands (there are other snow mana producers but they aren't nearly as good as basics), whereas there are tons of different elves and soldiers and clerics in lots of previous sets. < 1484663323 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when snow lands were originally printed, there were a bunch of snow land hosers printed at the same time < 1484663328 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it a decision whether you wanted them or not < 1484663338 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Coldsnap, though, they decided that was a bad iae < 1484663341 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1484663365 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one of the issues I have with Magic is that the average quality of a playable land appears to be higher than that of a basic land < 1484663371 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most formats, people hardly use basics < 1484663389 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one or two to allow for enemy nonbasic hosers < 1484663425 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think Boreal Druid and Scrying Sheets are probably the best nonbasic snow mana producers < 1484663501 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few snow land hosers, sure, but not many < 1484663693 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem isn't only snow mana producers, but also Snow permanents and Snow lands, because this theme deck has a lot of cards caring about that: Rimewind Taskmage (of which the precon has 3 but you want 4 really), Balduvian Frostwaker, Rimefeather Owl, Heidar etc. < 1484663708 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the snow lands are fairly balanced, in that they have a notable opportunity cost (you can't run nonbasics instead) < 1484663738 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is more an issue with nonbasics being broken than with snow lands being nonbroken < 1484663781 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :High Tide plays a bunch of blue-fetching lands even though it has nothing but Islands to fetch, for example (mostly for the free shuffle) < 1484663791 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have a lot of functionality on top of that! < 1484663862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the average quality of a playable land appears to be higher than that of a basic land" => isn't that in a large part because of ravnica rare dual lands, which also raise the value of the one and half search land cycles? < 1484663892 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fetch lands are better even in the abstract than the shock lands < 1484663906 0 :Morph1!~wayd@r201-pw-caracol.ibys.com.br PART #esoteric : < 1484663911 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, filter lands are also considered very good (it's just that fetch, shock, and Alpha duals are better) < 1484663958 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that even if you only buy cheap cards like me, nonbasic lands are often worth in many decks, < 1484663961 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fastlands (the ones that come into play tapped if you already have too many other lands) are playable in Modern as well < 1484663974 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both because they're flexible, as in, I can buy a nonbasic once and put it to many different decks, < 1484664051 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because some really seem almost better than basic lands in some decks (I've used Ancient Ziggurat even though I'm not even building sliver decks). < 1484664142 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Ancient Ziggurat < 1484664158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Ziggurat \ Land \ {T}: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell. \ CON-U, H09-U < 1484664168 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem very sliver-related < 1484664178 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess sliver decks tend to have a higher proportion of creatures than most < 1484664182 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also used Terramorphic Expanse for color fixing and free shuffle, but I haven't manged to make that deck work well YET, so it doesn't count.) < 1484664206 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what set is H09, anyway? I'm guessing CON is Conspiracy 1? < 1484664225 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CON is Conflux (in the Alara block) < 1484664232 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1484664260 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a syllable duplication would be inevitable by now < 1484664276 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough Legends Legions cough < 1484664293 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a duplicated syllable, just a duplicated first three characters :-P < 1484664313 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that sliver decks have a lot of creatures, but that's also true to many other tribal decks like elf decks; but also Sliver decks are often multicolor (there are two-color, three-color, and five-color versions), and they're very easy to build powerful in casual constructed. < 1484664451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484664474 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-color ones might not need anything special apart from the Gemhide/Manaweft sliver you almost certainly put in any sliver decks, but three-color sliver decks want a lot of color fixing, and the Ziggurat and Cavern of Souls help a lot there. < 1484664503 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best deck I own is a five-colour sliver deck that's base green < 1484664511 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fixes just fine on /just/ Gemhides < 1484664523 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fairly random assortment of lands, and a couple of Coalition Relics < 1484664535 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Manaweft Sliver hadn't been printed at the time) < 1484664540 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Ziggurat is cheap because it got printed as uncommon, unlike many of the more powerful color fixers. (Ravnica has the karoos and the signets as a big exception.) < 1484664542 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's better in basically every case) < 1484664626 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the deal is, sliver decks were already good in casual before Time Spiral, and they've printed more slivers in the Time Spiral block and M14 and M15 since, which made them better. < 1484664751 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1484664765 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: how much does that five-color sliver deck need many colors early? < 1484664781 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of its early plays are gemhide sliver and virulent sliver < 1484664793 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the red and white cards are mostly toolbox cards < 1484664816 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly aiming to play dormant sliver and then go into an infinite loop (the virulent slivers are to force the opponent to spend their removal early) < 1484664828 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1484664840 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might consider adding Beck to the deck if I ever updated it to a Modern version < 1484664876 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the basic idea is that if you have gemhide + basal sliver, plus a sliver that gives haste < 1484664881 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus dormant sliver < 1484664890 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each sliver you play gives you back 2 black mana + 1 of any colour < 1484664894 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a card < 1484664899 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can pretty much just churn through your deck < 1484664928 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the more slivers you have in hand and the more lands on the battlefield you have, the less likely it is to fizzle out) < 1484664945 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also plays Wild Pair, which is fairly easy to find because you're churning through the deck so far < 1484664959 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically immediately wins when you play it, unless the opponent can beat you or destroy the enchantment before your next turn < 1484665029 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beck => interesting idea. I used Distant Melody and Ideas Unbound to churn through a deck quickly. These work even as a splash in a deck that's not very blue, because you play them late. < 1484665049 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deck generates so much mana that it could probably cast Beck//Call on occasion too < 1484665073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thoughtcast and perhaps Keep Watch could also help for this.) < 1484665127 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Beck and Dormant Sliver are better because you can repeat it by bouncing permanents. Just like the Soul sisters. < 1484665138 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deck had one Whitemane Lion in it < 1484665142 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably better choices for that nowadays < 1484665146 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ih < 1484665171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even played against an entire white deck that tries to have a lot of bounces (including Norin) and lot of triggers for when a permanent etb (not only the Sould Sisters). < 1484665217 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... that doesn't square. Probably not a _white_ deck then, if it includes Norin. < 1484665270 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of Norin Soul Sisters < 1484665277 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a primarily white deck, it splashes red for Norin < 1484665292 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484665452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not only Soul Sisters, it has some other cards to trigger stuff. < 1484665508 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Soul sisters are the least surprising card really: those cards are just too good in casual because they work in many different decks, and lifegain is worth more in casual constructed than in competitive formats probably. < 1484665523 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1484665536 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Congregate is a bit similar.) < 1484665570 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifegain is really good against aggro, that's what normally causes it to be played competitively < 1484665585 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a method of surviving the early onslaught of aggro decks and burn decks < 1484665695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: there's also that casual games last for more turns than competitive ones, have many creatures in play more often because less board sweep, multiplayer casual games last especially longer, and the soul sisters and congregate like when other players use creatures too, which happens more in casual and even more in multiplayer. < 1484665738 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, everyone uses lots of creatures in Standard nowadays < 1484665751 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're so powerful compared to the other card types (except arguably planeswalkesr) < 1484665805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they also use board sweepers (as in Day of Judgment) in standard, as opposed to casual? < 1484665825 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are no good board sweepers in standard < 1484665847 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember back in the old days before the soul sisters came out, we even used the Angel's Feather cycle for lifegain, which is similarly better in multiplayer. < 1484665862 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihh < 1484665878 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you complaining that the conversation's offtopic? < 1484665931 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm reversing hi and duplicating the h < 1484665951 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1484665964 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have ideas for a dupdog/xigxag-alike at the moment < 1484665968 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haven't worked out the exact rules < 1484666022 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :_325siaa < 1484666077 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[.<]>.!rdococ < 1484666077 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocodrr < 1484666231 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[.<]>.! < 1484666232 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :tognuff < 1484666246 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnahdss < 1484666386 0 :ais523_!93bcc397@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.151 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1484666743 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484666778 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484666808 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484667053 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484667174 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the C++ standard library, how come std::mutex is 40 bytes long but std::once_flag is only 4 or 8 bytes long? I thought under they hood they'd be pretty much the same thing. < 1484667324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1484667591 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.1/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/libpthread-ddefs.html < 1484667608 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quick research showed that mutex is a wrapper around pthread_mutex_t on most posix platforms) < 1484667613 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: thanks, I'll look < 1484667749 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quick research showed that mutex is a wrapper around pthread_mutex_t on most posix platforms" => that would explain why it's big: pthread_mutex has to support timed waits, recursive mutexes, and error checking, whereas std::mutex needn't support those, and at least timed wait probably adds overhead even in the normal case < 1484667749 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds bad though. I don't want to pay for the overhead for timed mutexes when I make ordinary mutexes. < 1484667917 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's considered a QOI issue < 1484667919 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page doesn't reveal me how once_init works though < 1484667962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: yes, and even though it's important, I think it's hard to fix without breaking ABI compatibility < 1484668042 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/libcxx/trunk/include/mutex < 1484668043 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/libcxx/trunk/include/mutex < 1484668046 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1484668142 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess the library might already be using the pthread_mutex in some way that isn't supported for posix where you don't pay the time penalty for the potential timed wait or error checking or recursive, but only a minor space penalty. < 1484668184 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick peek into call_once shows that it has a global mutex < 1484668249 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a conditional variable... this code looks suspect to me actually < 1484668253 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have time to investigate < 1484668598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: thanks for the help anyway. I might try to look at implementations later. < 1484669100 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably mutex::native_handle returns the underlying pthreads mutex < 1484669306 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the native_handle functions. The library should have had different names for the accessor functions of different possible underlying implementations, so that you get a better error message when you use one that doesn't apply to your system. < 1484670309 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would require exhaustive listing though < 1484671710 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a template to examine the return type < 1484671805 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1484671997 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1484672127 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1484672612 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1484672999 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484673098 0 :Marcela_Gandara!?@? NICK :Marcela_- < 1484673135 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484673238 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484674890 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap they're arresting the heir to samsung? < 1484674942 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, arresting the head of half their economy < 1484676373 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the heir, the ceo < 1484677216 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, watching shakespeare plays is weird < 1484677219 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :they feel so anachronistic < 1484677467 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? They fit quite well into their own time, didn't they... < 1484677560 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the most anachronistic of them are the histories. < 1484679166 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cjnjsdoqujadguft QUIT :Excess Flood < 1484679256 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1484679459 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mygyrkvwllkmtrdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1484681582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1484682064 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484682489 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language did this section of come from: "=[=]()->T*{" < 1484682511 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess right and you get 1 < 1484682540 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: C++ < 1484682551 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding ding < 1484682575 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [=] starts a lambda, () is the argument list, ->T* is return type, { starts the body, = at the start is an assignment operator < 1484682580 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1484682600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric := at start is more likely the punctuation for initializing a variable, but whatever < 1484682613 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [=] really gives it away < 1484682623 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :full code https://hastebin.com/uhoyamecis.cpp < 1484682825 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell because C++ has []() too before the braces for a lambda, rust has || before a the braces, golang sometimes has -> before a lambda but just a bare brace block works too, ruby and smalltalk usually don't have anything before a lambda if it's a function argument but do if it's standalone. < 1484682950 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1484683087 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember go having a -> on a lambda … maybe it changed since I looked. < 1484683141 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I don't really do golang, so I could be wrong. I think I might be confusing it with digitalmars D language in fact. < 1484683179 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know about ruby and perl and C++ syntaxes and it's complicated.) < 1484683462 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah in go it’s func(…) { … } or func(…) returntype { … } or func(…) (…) { … } < 1484683496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484683573 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484683649 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1484683847 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f87c:a1c5:27b:2bf4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484684860 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = 1 if the decimal representation of pi contains x consecutive zeros, 0 otherwise < 1484684867 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove that f is computable < 1484685318 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iza: my guess is that proving that is beyond the current state of mathematics < 1484685326 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484685447 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1484685545 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious < 1484685597 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484685935 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why, do you have a proof? < 1484686023 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484686031 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there is a proof that every sequence of compatible digits appears in every base expansion of pi. < 1484686039 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pi contains any sequence of zeros, f(x) = 1 is a correct algorithm. if there's a max N such that N consecutive zeros appear in pi, then f(x) = x < N is a correct algorithm < 1484686061 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I think that's only a conjecture, and we're very far from the proof < 1484686077 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ARGH duh < 1484686079 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1484686137 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're asking only about sequences of zeros, so you can hard-code the answer < 1484686611 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they did, but they seem anachronistic because they use many modern idioms that we got from shakespeare < 1484686627 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a mix of archaic language that is hard to understand and modern expressions < 1484686704 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heh < 1484686709 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: if you want more fun, look into graph minors < 1484686719 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every minor-closed class, there is an algorithm to decide membership < 1484686730 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finding the algorithm is in some cases not decidable < 1484686825 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, I’ve heard an anecdote where some young person coming out of a movie version of some Shakespeare play complained how full of clichés it was. < 1484687086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484687383 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484687459 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate shakespeare just because he's propped up as a great writer and there are a lot of modern works that are far superior < 1484687601 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for some reason they think learning to read ancient english dialect is something essential to learning english literature < 1484687630 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484687659 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484687718 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should translate shakespeare into modern english < 1484687755 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484687779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pedant might point out that people classify shakespeare as "modern english" already hth < 1484687797 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1484687817 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of the dividing line actually < 1484687841 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from a linguistics point of view, it's actually quite incredible that works as old as shakespeares are still intelligible) < 1484687859 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think part of the issue comes from the old British view of the classics in education < 1484687873 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to teaching math using Euclid's Elementsa < 1484687876 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intelligable mostly, I believe, because it was written in the time period when english was standardized < 1484687892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: works much older than shakespeare are intelligible hth < 1484687903 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's even more incredible ;0 < 1484687907 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;0 < 1484687909 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1484687912 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;) < 1484687931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconceivable < 1484687935 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: shakespeare wasn't intelligeble to me without footnotes < 1484687948 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's better live, actually < 1484687967 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the school system I went through, it was specifically required to do one shakespeare play per year for several years < 1484687975 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? because shakespeare! < 1484688002 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* 10New user account < 1484688124 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484688134 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : illuminati /o\ < 1484688174 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484688177 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : illuminati /ô\ < 1484688501 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484688539 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484688548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lutfig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50747&oldid=50572 5* 03Ferrosurgeon 5* (+310) 10added problems to fix < 1484688582 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1484688613 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lutfig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50748&oldid=50747 5* 03Ferrosurgeon 5* (+47) 10finish parenthetical < 1484689121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1484689765 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mygyrkvwllkmtrdd QUIT :Excess Flood < 1484689869 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ejabejrtddksotfe JOIN :#esoteric < 1484690508 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1484691137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50749&oldid=50746 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+297) 10/* Introductions */ < 1484691148 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50750 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+3975) 10Created page with "'''Faggit''' is a new special unuseful programming language. The main goal of '''Faggit''' is to say a random amount of times the world "Faggit" to the output. Dont try to use..." < 1484691284 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50751&oldid=50750 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+99) 10/* (Un)Useful specifications */ < 1484691358 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50752&oldid=50751 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+62) 10/* Wrinting a Faggit program */ < 1484691473 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50753&oldid=50752 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+82) 10/* Writing your awful unoptimized Faggit interpretor */ < 1484691489 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50754&oldid=50753 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+6) 10/* Conclusion */ < 1484691502 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50755&oldid=50754 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+6) 10/* Conclusion */ < 1484691561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord < 1484691566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :who're the wiki sysops? < 1484691782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50756&oldid=50549 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+66) 10/* General languages */ < 1484691945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Faggit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50757&oldid=50755 5* 03Illuminati Confirmed 5* (+0) 10/* Faggit and the Illuminaties */ < 1484692602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett? < 1484693200 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1484693503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1063 < 1484693526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1063: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1484693664 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1484693715 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1484693875 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1484693943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1484694139 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1484694153 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHARGRHGHAHAHAHARGHGHGHGLARHGHGLLGLGLGLGLBLFLFLFLBLBLBLBLBL! < 1484694295 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1484694778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1484694794 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1484694801 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, not uh. `wisdom. < 1484694803 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1484694813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyebrow//Eyebrows are Taneb's most notable feature. < 1484694817 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Gregor < 1484694818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Gregor. Thegor. < 1484695073 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally did nothing. < 1484695131 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nothing that works is better than nothing. < 1484695778 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-Ye2L3ej8 < 1484695853 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BROADWAY CHICKEN < 1484695920 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484695943 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484697094 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1484697155 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-qarrthopeljyvvuf PART #esoteric : < 1484697530 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric