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00:00:42 <HackEgo> bigcake: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
00:00:45 <boily> shikhin: shellokhin.
00:00:46 <oerjan> hm there's some annoying alarm set to 1:00 am
00:00:52 <oerjan> fortunately it doesn't last long
00:00:55 <lambdabot> Local time for oerjan is Thu Jan 19 01:00:50 2017
00:01:04 <oerjan> i guess it's not that annoying then
00:01:40 <\oren\> rrgh the tests still aren't done
00:01:55 <shachaf> \oren\: have you considered running them on more than one computer hth
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00:02:45 <bigcake> its me hagb4rd. i accidentetly avoided my ban. so i will leave you now. hope you are all fine and healthy?
00:03:10 <\oren\> shachaf: I think a big performance imporvement would be made by not recompiling the same thing 1000 times
00:03:10 <oerjan> now the guy using the stereo with full base at 1:00 am, on the other hand
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00:03:55 <shachaf> Wait, I thought you were running the tests, not compiling.
00:04:04 <shachaf> Unless you're testing the compiler?
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00:04:17 <boily> why was he banned again for?
00:04:23 <\oren\> shachaf: running the test means compiling the whole thing and testing it
00:04:35 <shachaf> You said running the tests takes four hours.
00:04:43 <shachaf> It's been several hours and it's still not done compiling?
00:04:48 <boily> hellørjan, ffizziello, he\\oren\.
00:04:52 <\oren\> that includes about 3 hours of compilation
00:05:36 <\oren\> well and autogenerated template templates
00:05:48 <shachaf> this problem is solvable hth
00:06:04 <shachaf> And if it takes up four hours of your time on every commit, then it ought to be your highest priority.
00:06:31 <\oren\> well but it's built on a language that virtuall 0 people know
00:06:42 <\oren\> the build sytem that is
00:06:50 <\oren\> well 1 person knows it
00:07:04 <olsner> was that the thing built in Salmon?
00:07:05 <\oren\> but he doesn't count since he invented it
00:08:30 <shachaf> fizzie: https://bazel.build/roadmap.html says a version that supports testing Android apps will be released this month.
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00:25:18 <fizzie> shachaf: I think they haven't updated the roadmap.
00:25:45 <fizzie> shachaf: Because https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/issues/2080 says the milestone for that is now 0.6.
00:26:31 <fizzie> shachaf: (And https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/issues/903 as well for the android_test side of things.)
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00:35:27 <oerjan> fizzie: wiki bridge is down
00:39:05 <fizzie> $ uptime 00:38:57 up 1 day, 1:27, 0 users, load average: 0.47, 0.21, 0.13
00:39:16 <shachaf> fizzie: Do you think Python is a good language for the sort of information that's typically contained in BUILD files?
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00:40:26 <fizzie> shachaf: I don't really know. I guess it's not actually Python.
00:41:26 <shachaf> Does it go through the Python interpreter in the end? I don't know.
00:41:31 <shachaf> I saw that Bazel has a parser for it, at least.
00:42:17 <shachaf> fizzie: do you think python is a good language for [redacted musical instrument]
00:42:54 <fizzie> I'm not sure whether it goes through a Python interpreter. I think it's at least defined as a subset of Python syntactically.
00:43:14 <shachaf> Syntactically but not in other ways.
00:43:42 <fizzie> Something something Skylark migration something.
00:44:13 <shachaf> Why does Bazel have any built-in rules?
00:44:34 <shachaf> Or, rather, are the built-in rules necessary?
00:45:15 <fizzie> "unsupported class file version 52.0"
00:45:36 <fizzie> I tried to put an @AutoValue class into a java_library included in an android_binary's deps.
00:45:46 <fizzie> Now I'm getting that from dexing.
00:47:10 <fizzie> I only know about Skylark's macro functionalities, I don't know if the actual rule definition facilities would be good enough to not have any built-in rules at all.
00:47:17 <fizzie> Maybe there's some magic involved.
00:48:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ehird * deleted "[[Faggit]]": have to draw a line here. this is only slightly more coherent than Esme, and much less bizarre. it isn't really a language, just an excuse to string a bunch of memes and slurs together. I was on the fence before it ended by calling the reader one too.
00:48:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50770&oldid=50756 * Ehird * (-66) rm deleted page
00:49:12 <shachaf> A Skylark rule is much fancier than just some genrules.
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00:55:05 <fizzie> Ooh, --experimental_android_use_jack_for_dexing.
00:55:11 <fizzie> Sadly, it doesn't work.
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00:56:25 <fizzie> (It also doesn't say what went wrong.)
00:59:49 <fizzie> Oh. It's using a command called "fail.sh" to try to do the thing.
01:01:23 <fizzie> https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/blob/master/tools/android/android_sdk_repository_template.bzl#L82 well, that doesn't look very promising.
01:03:02 <shachaf> # Copyright 2016 The Bazel Authors. All rights reserved.
01:03:14 <shachaf> This fail.sh thing is pretty complicated.
01:03:23 <shachaf> I'm surprised they released it publicly.
01:05:21 <fizzie> https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/issues/1391 seems to be the issue.
01:06:07 <fizzie> I might be a bit too early in actually trying to use any of this stuff.
01:08:07 <shachaf> fizzie: just get your code right so you don't need tests hth
01:10:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniBitMove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50771&oldid=50764 * Dpleshkov * (+17)
01:18:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Tick]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50772 * Dpleshkov * (+1327) Created page with "<h3>Description</h3> Tick is a esolang created in 2017. It has only 4 commands and an infinite memory tape. It is made to also ignore non-command characters. <h3>Commands</h3>..."
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01:18:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50773&oldid=50745 * Dpleshkov * (+11) /* T */
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01:52:46 <HackEgo> speedy gonzales//Sp e e d y G o n z a l e s i s t h e f a s t e s t
01:53:05 <HackEgo> hand//A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
01:54:44 <boily> apparently I didn't write the hand...
01:54:49 <HackEgo> roujo's relevant info//That information is stored in an unnamed metal cabinet in one of the top floors of an obscure administrative building with a number that you probably never heard of.
01:56:08 <HackEgo> inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions.
01:56:31 <HackEgo> bin/learn \ bin/learn_append \ bin/learn_append2
01:56:41 <boily> `learn_append inventory//Taneb has them.
01:56:43 <HackEgo> Can't open wisdom/inventory//taneb: Not a directory. \ /hackenv/bin/learn_append: line 5: wisdom/inventory//taneb: Not a directory \ Learned 'inventory//taneb': cat: wisdom/inventory//taneb: Not a directory
01:57:31 <boily> `learn inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions. Taneb has them.
01:57:33 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/inventory//an: Not a directory \ Learned 'inventory//an': inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions. Taneb has them.
01:57:50 <oerjan> boily: the hand wrote you hth
01:57:59 <boily> `le/rn inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions. Taneb has them.
01:58:03 <HackEgo> Relearned 'inventory': An inventory is a collection of inventions. Taneb has them.
01:58:22 <boily> bon, m'as tu finir par l'avoir le torieux de patente à gosse de marche tout croche de *mumble mumble*
02:00:16 <HackEgo> the//the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
02:00:42 <oerjan> boily: neither of your `reverts did what you thought they did, although fortunately they _did_ cancel each other
02:01:05 <oerjan> basically, don't use `revert unless you're sure a command actually _changed_ something.
02:01:30 <oerjan> well, two of them. the last one was fine.
02:02:30 <boily> reverting is a complicated business, all with the dead canary...
02:04:27 <HackEgo> `revert now works fine. Yay fizzie!
02:04:55 <oerjan> which was, ironically, what your `reverts _did_ change.
02:06:51 * boily stays clear from things that appear to work, but work...
02:12:20 <boily> \oren\: you fonted 鼠 ^^
02:20:20 <boily> quinthellopia! yup!
02:21:10 <quintopia> you missed out on us figuring out how to dupe weapons
02:22:13 <boily> there's a weapon dup glitch?
02:32:23 <oerjan> * \oren\_ forgot what `5 did <-- you probably wanted `2 hth
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02:36:28 <oerjan> or rather, its irc server is
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02:37:54 <oerjan> aka moon.freenode.net, which all the people joining were on
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02:40:16 <oerjan> i suppose HackEgo would reconnect too, except its original nick hasn't pinged out globally
02:41:25 <oerjan> fizzie: does HackEgo have any alternate nick? i don't recall one
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02:46:25 <oerjan> `learn `1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2.
02:46:28 <HackEgo> Learned '`1': `1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2.
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02:47:27 <oerjan> `learn `2 <cmd> is equivalent to `1 <cmd>, except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1.
02:47:31 <HackEgo> Learned '`2': `2 <cmd> is equivalent to `1 <cmd>, except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1.
02:47:44 <fizzie> oerjan: I don't think multibot supports a nick fallback.
02:47:56 <shachaf> oerjan: It would be good if `2 used the right line length for ``
02:48:41 <oerjan> that may be hard to predict though.
02:49:01 <oerjan> since the cutoff for `` is done by HackEgo's internal algorithm.
02:49:27 <oerjan> also, it should never start _later_ than where the original line ended, i think.
02:49:53 <oerjan> well probably. there's some utf-8 issues.
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02:52:29 <oerjan> `learn `5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. See `1. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
02:52:32 <HackEgo> Learned '`5': `5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. See `1. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
02:52:56 <shachaf> `5 has an important default hth
02:53:10 <HackEgo> cmd="${1-quote}"; for i in {1..5}; do \` "$cmd"; done | sport
02:53:46 <oerjan> `learn `5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. <cmd> defaults to "quote". See `1. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
02:53:51 <HackEgo> Relearned '`5': `5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. <cmd> defaults to "quote". See `1. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
02:55:17 <oerjan> hm that's a bit more dubious, since it's _not_ meant to be used first on the line
02:59:34 <oerjan> `learn `spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous 1, 2 or sport command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n.
02:59:38 <HackEgo> Learned '`spam': `spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous 1, 2 or sport command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n.
03:00:04 <HackEgo> distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore '' "${2-1}"
03:01:36 <oerjan> `slwd `spam//s; or sport;, sport or spore;
03:01:47 <HackEgo> `spam//`spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous 1, 2, sport or spore command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n.
03:02:28 <HackEgo> cat "${1:-/dev/stdin}" > /hackenv/tmp/spout; spam "${2-1}"
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03:03:17 <HackEgo> distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore '' "${2-1}"
03:05:22 <oerjan> `learn spore <n> divides its input into irc-sized pieces and displays the nth (default first). The pipe version of `1. See also spore.
03:05:27 <HackEgo> Learned 'spore': spore <n> divides its input into irc-sized pieces and displays the nth (default first). The pipe version of `1. See also spore.
03:06:52 <oerjan> `` mv wisdom/spor{e,t}
03:07:27 <shachaf> Now you still have to change the first word.
03:07:30 <oerjan> `learn spore <n> stores its input in tmp/spout and displays the nth line (default first). For a version considering irc line lengths, see sport.
03:07:34 <HackEgo> Learned 'spore': spore <n> stores its input in tmp/spout and displays the nth line (default first). For a version considering irc line lengths, see sport.
03:07:44 <HackEgo> sport//sport <n> divides its input into irc-sized pieces and displays the nth (default first). The pipe version of `1. See also spore.
03:08:05 <shachaf> Why does spore/sport take an argument?
03:08:14 <shachaf> Why not spor{e,t} then spam?
03:08:22 <oerjan> for easy in writing 1 and 2
03:08:46 <oerjan> besides, they do spam internally
03:10:15 <oerjan> spore works like more, so it displays a line.
03:12:48 <oerjan> `slwd spore,$, See also `spam.,
03:13:00 <oerjan> `slwd spore//s,$, See also `spam.,
03:13:03 <HackEgo> spore//spore <n> stores its input in tmp/spout and displays the nth line (default first). For a version considering irc line lengths, see sport. See also `spam.
03:14:26 <oerjan> `slwd `spam//s;2;2, 5;
03:14:29 <HackEgo> `spam//`spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous 1, 2, 5, sport or spore command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n.
03:15:24 <oerjan> `slwd `spam//s,\d,`&,g
03:15:28 <HackEgo> `spam//`spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous 1, 2, 5, sport or spore comman`d. n `defaults to the next piece to `display. Abbreviation: `n.
03:15:50 <oerjan> `slwd `spam//s,[125],`&,g
03:15:52 <HackEgo> `spam//`spam <n> prints the nth output piece of the previous `1, `2, `5, sport or spore command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n.
03:18:12 <HackEgo> bin/help: ERROR: cannot open `bin/help' (No such file or directory)
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03:21:37 * oerjan swats shachaf for being a nortti punster -----###
03:22:28 <oerjan> and with that my logreading is up to date
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03:38:06 <shachaf> https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=nortti
03:46:59 <oerjan> it's your pun unless it was actually nortti who added that hth
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04:35:45 <^v> connecting my phone as a audio source isnt working anymore after my last apt-get upgrade
04:40:42 <^v> wrong channel lmao
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05:19:36 <HackEgo> 1/2:149) [spam] Any flavored hell can pee on the pig pen, but it takes a real football team to throw a slyly optimal formless void at a hole puncher. \ 933) <oklopol> my university spam filter thinks it's okay for someone i have never met to discuss "usd 2,142,728.00 dollars" with me and "NEED MY HELP" etc. however, inviting me to a confe
05:19:46 <HackEgo> 2/2:rence? such a nigerian thing to do. \ 1034) <oerjan> this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. \ 1273) <coppro> `quote <coppro> `quote <coppro> `quote <coppro> `quote <int-e> ....lovely spam, oh wonderful spam...
05:21:07 <\oren\> by that token does that mean door to door salesmen are human spam?
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06:11:17 <oerjan> \oren\: i don't get door to door salesmen
06:15:42 <oerjan> of course, no one gets into the upper floors of this apartment building without someone letting them in.
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07:18:21 <oerjan> `8ball Did that kill your wiki link again?
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07:18:55 <oerjan> mind you, not that anyone has edited.
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10:14:57 <izabera> pacman has the best error messages
10:15:01 <izabera> :: fontconfig-infinality-ultimate: removing freetype2-infinality-ultimate breaks dependency 'freetype2-infinality-ultimate'
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11:33:16 <HackEgo> pun//Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings.
11:35:05 <izabera> https://github.com/izabera/libcthing/blob/master/Makefile why does this recompile test every time i run make test?
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16:52:14 <b_jonas> ais523: I wanted to tell you that David Madore has posted a question about context-free grammars that you might be able to answer, at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2017-01-17.2419.html#d.2017-01-17.2419 and http://cs.stackexchange.com/q/68828/5248 , but it's probably solved since.
16:53:14 <ais523> it says on the first link that it's been solved
16:53:25 <ais523> although I'm not sure I want to read enough French to work out what the solution is
16:53:37 <b_jonas> read the second link then?
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19:15:16 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
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20:02:17 <\oren\> hey, what if you designed a floating point representation so that small integers have the same representation as in two-complement integers
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20:03:25 <\oren\> that is, so that an exponent of 0 puts all the mantissa bits to the left of the decimal point
20:04:57 <int-e> one of the cute tricks of IEEE floating point is the normalization (and corresponding omission of the leading 1 of the mantissa); that is incompatible with this idea, I think.
20:05:39 <int-e> in a similar vain, what would 1b0001 look like?
20:06:40 <int-e> (not sure where I found this convention, I'm sure I didn't make it up myself)
20:06:57 <\oren\> it would be 10001, with a exponent of -4?
20:07:48 <int-e> Hmm, that could work.
20:08:45 <lambdabot> PAMR 192004Z 08005KT 1/2SM HZ VCFG OVC002 M24/M27 A2944 RMK AO2 T12391267 $
20:10:02 <int-e> But in any case I think the 1:1 mapping for (small) integers isn't worth making up a new floating point format for (note that two's complement is also quite uncommon), I'd like to see a more convincing benefit.
20:10:37 <\oren\> well, it would mean that you could use the exponent bots as a tag
20:11:32 <int-e> you can use the lowest bits of a floating point number for tags with a limited loss of precision (basically you'd be shortening the mantissa)
20:12:27 <\oren\> that is, there could be an "add" instruction that checks whether its arguments are integers or flaoting point
20:13:40 <\oren\> hppavilion1: that's 200 feet
20:13:57 <lambdabot> LOWI 191950Z VRB02KT CAVOK M11/M12 Q1032 NOSIG
20:14:20 <lambdabot> CYYZ 192000Z 00000KT 10SM OVC016 03/M01 A2998 RMK SC8 SLP161
20:14:52 <\oren\> yeah OVC016 is correct, the uppermost floors of my building are in the cloud
20:15:34 <int-e> CAV="ceiling and visibility"... I forgot.
20:16:26 <\oren\> I don't work in the CN tower
20:16:45 <\oren\> my building isn't 1600 feet tall
20:17:21 <int-e> (cavok indicates absence of fog and clouds in the measured range (there may still be clouds above 5k feet)
20:18:04 <int-e> hmm, do those numbers correspond to the top or the bottom of a cloud layer...
20:18:25 <int-e> (bottom makes more sense, but I just realized that I don't know)
20:19:02 <int-e> okay, it's "base" height.
20:19:59 <\oren\> of course I'm several tens of kilometres from the airport
20:20:15 <int-e> I was going to ask.
20:20:31 <int-e> Here it's a 50 minutes brisk walk :)
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21:02:22 <lambdabot> EGLL 192050Z AUTO 03004KT 7000 NCD 02/M00 Q1036 NOSIG
21:02:48 <fizzie> Not cow temperatures, but a dew cow.
21:07:00 <lambdabot> KOAK 192053Z VRB06KT 10SM SCT050 13/09 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP110 60000 T01330089 58012
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21:25:06 <zzo38> How I would want to define rules of Magic: the Gathering in a logical way these are some of the properties that an object has: owner, kind, initial text. All of these three properties are things that are not continuous effects and that if the object moves from one zone to another or is renewed in the same zone, or enters the game from the outside, retains the same values. There are different rules for what these values are when the object is create
21:26:20 <zzo38> Such as, the kind of an object that existed since the game starts is card. Also, an object's initial text may depend on circumstances (for example, if it is face-down or transformed).
21:26:53 <zzo38> Do you think it is good?
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23:19:44 <fizzie> shachaf: Double cow would seem to be the obvious thing.
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23:22:19 <Jafet> justified ancient weather
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23:27:36 <boily> what is the fruit equivalent in scowiness to bell peppers?
23:29:12 <ais523> can we consider bell peppers a fruit for the purpose?
23:30:28 <boily> his523. if they are a fruit, then which vegetable?
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23:31:23 <int-e> what's wrong with bell peppers?
23:31:35 <ais523> the question doesn't assume that there's anything wrong with them
23:31:54 <ais523> even if it does kind-of make implications
23:32:21 <int-e> "scowiness" is a negative term, I'd say.
23:32:32 <int-e> though technically you're right
23:33:24 <boily> there's nothing wrong with them, they're delicious!
23:34:46 <int-e> boily: In that case, to the extend that a question can be misleading, I find your question misleading.
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23:43:52 <Jafet> aren't bell peppers technically zero scow?
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23:48:08 <boily> Jafellot. they're usually between 0 and 100 scows.
23:48:20 <olsner> if bell peppers are good and scow is bad, they'd be negative scows
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