< 1485907200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should try out Buck and see if it's better. < 1485907342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485907372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FWIW, turned out all the rest of the problems were because the plugin just didn't support Android Studio 2.3 yet, while the "external dependencies not resolving" was due to a bad experiment they had pushed out, and had already disabled by the time I reached the end of the story. < 1485907380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know those Googlers, always experimenting on people. < 1485907397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know the thing had an experimentation framework. < 1485907406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1485907407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1485907438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd fizzie//s. k. canary k. < 1485907440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie//fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1485907465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1485907466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1485907504 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpun < 1485907505 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns fceø fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz. < 1485907535 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz. < 1485907536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unit of fun punnery is named after him. < 1485908054 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom canary < 1485908055 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise. < 1485908059 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary < 1485908060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1485908118 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up. < 1485908121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'canary': A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up. < 1485908434 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1485908530 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1485908553 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: can you hear god talking here: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0EkAZ2uFsCG < 1485908604 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485908785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485908799 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiyais523 < 1485908831 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what the heck is that < 1485908833 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear. < 1485908834 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that you? < 1485908849 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think you found the perfect ais523porthello. < 1485908874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1485908942 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I heard god :D < 1485908961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to see a picture of the computer ais523 didn't choose. < 1485908974 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i listened to the whole thing, still confused af < 1485908976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was by Asus < 1485908983 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might help? < 1485908989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't take a picture of it though < 1485909048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1485909058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have considered buying that computer once. < 1485909064 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Asus/UX501JW-DS71T/P5070055.jpg < 1485909069 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UX501VW something < 1485909147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's an end key on the number pad. < 1485909195 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :krok: then it succeeded < 1485909238 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485909253 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485909254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++//Along with C, C++ is a language for smart people. < 1485909270 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1485909271 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1485909273 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma C < 1485909274 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a karma of 2 < 1485909287 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1485909288 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 108 < 1485909306 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still at the magical number ^^ < 1485909355 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1485909355 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 1751 < 1485909391 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who again had managed to flood the chännel, that one infamous time? < 1485910289 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1485910926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485911871 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw PART #esoteric : < 1485912538 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485912696 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485912698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fabric of reality//The fabric of reality is *not* plaid corduroy, no matter what evil tongues say. < 1485912714 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paisley. < 1485912717 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485912718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlist//ehlist is update notification for the Everyday Heroes webcomic. http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ < 1485912743 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485912745 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :program//A program is an image created by means of prography. < 1485912748 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485912752 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485912753 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p//P is the complexity class of Problems. They can be solved by reduction to NP. < 1485912776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NP < 1485912777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP is the complexity class of decisions that are No Problem. < 1485912813 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it will become irrelevant if P = and/or != NP, we'll just brute force everything in due time. < 1485912846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only brutes use brute force < 1485912871 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brutes with raw musculo-computing power. < 1485912907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485912909 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485912910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie algebra//A Lie algebra is what you get if you take the region infinitesimally close to the identity of a Lie group and blow it up to normal size. < 1485912965 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485913030 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there practical applications to Lie algebra? < 1485913230 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw JOIN :#esoteric < 1485913246 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all got a chicken-duck-woman thing waiting for us. < 1485913247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I clicked too much in YouTube.) < 1485913295 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day I worry all day ♪ < 1485913394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1485913412 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION y jackiller_killex pronton se casan :-[ quien se anota para la boda ? < 1485913526 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿porqué ":-["? ¿no eres alegre? < 1485913956 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-[ < 1485913995 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw PART #esoteric : < 1485914221 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485914222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowry//A dowry is a pribe paid for a brice, or maybe a bribe paid for a pride. < 1485914236 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw JOIN :#esoteric < 1485914252 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marcela_-: ¿qué es un :-[? < 1485914272 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-fzieabhszrgeupzw PART #esoteric : < 1485914300 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: any clue? < 1485914300 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it was a hacked up quick and dirty memory fnord normally used it in about any language < 1485914494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485914495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :al gore//Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet. < 1485914518 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485914519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bardsworthlist//bardsworthlist is update notification for the Bardsworth webcomic. http://www.bardsworth.com/ < 1485914743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg al gore < 1485914747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6206:2015-11-13 le/rn al gore/Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet. \ 6113:2015-10-20 le/rn al gore/Al Gore invented the algorithm. \ 6106:2015-10-20 le/rn al gore/al gore invented the algorithm < 1485914788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 6206 < 1485914790 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file 'wisdom/al gore' < 1485914795 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? al gore < 1485914796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Gore invented the algorithm. < 1485915275 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MAJOR CHICKEN < 1485916661 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1485916883 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485917007 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485917793 0 :blackmailed_!~esclave50@LFbn-1-2530-126.w86-241.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1485917931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PAMR < 1485917932 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAMR 010253Z 00000KT 10SM OVC085 M01/M04 A3043 RMK AO2 SLP305 T10111039 53015 < 1485918108 0 :blackmailed_!~esclave50@LFbn-1-2530-126.w86-241.abo.wanadoo.fr PART #esoteric : < 1485918791 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485919176 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zxgaccpxgjezloxc JOIN :#esoteric < 1485922077 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't log in to the freakin' wiki < 1485922107 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like--i've got four cookies set from esolangs.org--but apparently that's not enough for my login to stick < 1485922156 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and apparently deleting them fixed it < 1485922157 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1485923175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485924361 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485924477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Silberjoder14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50828 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+3772) 10Page created < 1485924519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50829&oldid=50820 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+18) 10 < 1485924545 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CALESYTA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50830&oldid=50737 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+41) 10 < 1485924608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Quintopia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50831&oldid=46041 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+80) 10 < 1485924678 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Platts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50832&oldid=45607 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-45) 10/* Implementation */ < 1485925427 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485926453 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vprrxqheeysqlepq JOIN :#esoteric < 1485926975 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485927309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485927856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485928557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485929167 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485929291 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485929303 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5159:de4c:dd73:c1b6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485930402 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485930643 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5159:de4c:dd73:c1b6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485931045 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, someone baleeted their whole production database < 1485931058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/gitlabstatus/status/826591961444384768 < 1485931229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell\oren\ < 1485931235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your build system today < 1485931239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should invent a good build system < 1485931344 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's 1:42 AM, but the build system was crap today < 1485931356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always 1:42 AM somewhere < 1485931387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pre checkin tests failed to fail, the continuous build failed < 1485931408 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently there's a limit to how long a command line can be < 1485931442 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was passed by the continuous build but not the pre-checkin tests < 1485931612 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485931791 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully things will be better by tomorrow afternoon < 1485931874 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485932322 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485933145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485933159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485938871 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485939155 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1485940619 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a0ea:afc2:b05:5c5e JOIN :#esoteric < 1485943416 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485943687 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485944646 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1485945670 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily <-- absolutely. i once was on a summer course to learn how to solve mul are there practical applications to Lie algebra? < 1485945671 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485945710 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily oops. something pasted prematurely. stupid touchpad. < 1485945710 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485945781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily are there practical applications to Lie algebra? <-- absolutely. i once was on a summer course to learn how to solve multidimensional diff. eqs with them. well, i think that's what we did. it was in Lie's hometown. < 1485945782 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485946050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily someone got the bright idea to have math summer schools there, it's a pretty small town https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordfjordeid < 1485946051 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485946144 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485946183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oh. they're still doing that http://www.mn.uio.no/math/english/about/collaboration/nordfjordeid/ < 1485946184 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485946418 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485948098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* wiki down again < 1485948557 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485948631 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485948787 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1485948809 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, that was silly) < 1485948841 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485948867 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afternoily < 1485948897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ernoon < 1485948900 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485948946 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1485949339 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1485949629 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :børjan matin, bon matint-e. < 1485949646 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1485949646 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 6m 15s ago: <-- absolutely. i once was on a summer course to learn how to solve mul are there practical applications to Lie algebra? < 1485949647 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 5m 36s ago: oops. something pasted prematurely. stupid touchpad. < 1485949647 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 4m 24s ago: are there practical applications to Lie algebra? <-- absolutely. i once was on a summer course to learn how to solve multidimensional diff. eqs with them. well, i < 1485949647 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that's what we did. it was in Lie's hometown. < 1485949647 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 59m 55s ago: someone got the bright idea to have math summer schools there, it's a pretty small town https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordfjordeid < 1485949699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i sent one more < 1485949706 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. < 1485949715 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. apparently i sent it to poor "oh." < 1485949736 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oh. they're still doing that http://www.mn.uio.no/math/english/about/collaboration/nordfjordeid/ < 1485949793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise sane people, in Girl Genius? how can this be. < 1485949949 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was disturbingly logical... < 1485950320 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane? < 1485950329 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounded like fungot < 1485950329 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe " esoteric wide web" is defined??' as ' codepoint.' now they have support for variable witdth fonts ( which i haven't even tested yet, it solves all this monkeying around, doesn't it < 1485950332 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sparks. < 1485950352 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a0ea:afc2:b05:5c5e QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1485950413 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this city network must be quite crowded by now < 1485950482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying beausoleil is self replicating tdnh < 1485950495 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and are you suggesting that sparks are not entirely sane... don't let them hear you! < 1485950510 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not saying that < 1485950516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tarvek is suggesting it hth < 1485950588 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that at least 4 entities have messed with that network recently... the master himself, beausoleil (presumably), the castle, and colette. < 1485950612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the castle was thrown out < 1485950641 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm half expecting it to go back in... let's see :P < 1485950670 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm expecting it come with gun blazing < 1485950675 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to come < 1485950676 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see no hint of replication in there. < 1485950689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke < 1485950695 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485950793 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "it". < 1485950937 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh I hate colds... brain moving like molassess. < 1485950946 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485951000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives int-e oerjan's match < 1485951049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, those match last long < 1485951053 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*matches < 1485951058 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar hard is < 1485951523 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the match is a proper torch < 1485951597 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485951860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1485951897 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: LAUGHING CHICKEN < 1485952819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485952819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1485952819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485953339 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485954350 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:98d5:ab5a:5568:cd8c QUIT :Excess Flood < 1485954646 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Quit: Divided by zero < 1485954667 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1485956679 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1485956969 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485957263 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1485957715 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5159:de4c:dd73:c1b6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485961509 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1485961810 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:e55b:7cae:8901:3824 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485962268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485963415 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1485964197 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485964447 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485965109 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485965753 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grade 6 teacher is retiring and we're gonna throw him a party! < 1485965975 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how common that is < 1485966007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm pretty sure some people wont come because they didn't like him < 1485966250 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of rum are you getting him? < 1485967226 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe that would be a good idea < 1485967232 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Off for now < 1485967870 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485968135 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1485968320 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485968400 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... what's up with esolangs.org, does anyone know why it's down or when it'll return? < 1485968644 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM hosting the wiki seems to be down... fizzie might know more, but perhaps it needs divine intervention from Gregor :/ < 1485969082 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I guess I'll have to wait and see. It was down the day before yesterday too. < 1485969685 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1485970156 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5159:de4c:dd73:c1b6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485971107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1485971127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485972210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1485972337 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1]! < 1485973438 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485973460 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485974048 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485974198 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485974466 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485974729 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was down, and then back up. < 1485974767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have any visibility to the hosting provider, so yes, I think a Gregorvention is required. Or maybe it just comes back up naturally. < 1485974779 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i've gotten lucky. it's always been up when i've looked < 1485974817 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's usually up. < 1485974822 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing there's at least one nine. < 1485974839 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :90%+? < 1485974842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1485974852 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd wager on 2 < 1485974857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nine fives of reliability < 1485974866 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the granularity of minutes < 1485974898 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some monitoring on it, but I keep forgetting how this InfluxDB query language works. < 1485974909 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure is no Dremel, I can say that much. < 1485974917 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is reliability usually measured anyway? continuously? < 1485974950 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've been using Prometheus (a Borgmon clone) recently. < 1485975156 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude, picking a name that's already an internal codename. < 1485975174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1485975189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately, System UI has stopped." < 1485975192 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unfortunate. < 1485975209 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Bizarrely, the VM seems up but not on the network. < 1485975219 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna give it a kick. < 1485975220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that the one that's the future? < 1485975228 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why it decided that network access is for losers. < 1485975251 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess all of them are. < 1485975258 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least were at some point. < 1485975274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mixing up my internal code names. < 1485975287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, not important. < 1485975373 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/27/bofh_2015_episode_2/ < 1485975639 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, hope it's not permanent < 1485975726 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've just lost a CaC VM that way about two weeks ago, VM was up but lost network... however in that case the gateway was also unreachable from outside and that doesn't appear to be the case here.) < 1485975799 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's assuming that the gateway is 162.248.166.1) < 1485975813 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is indeed the gateway. < 1485976078 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Problem seems to be the opposite. Outside can see GW but it can't. < 1485976143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1064 < 1485976155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no HackEgo < 1485976165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as well, HackEgo being slow makes me not want to olist. < 1485976244 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I olist, then it doesn't reply for a long while so I switch to another window, then it notifies me. < 1485976337 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the gateway being visible from outside is new to me, it not being visible from inside also happened with my VM. total routing failure. < 1485976366 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really much I can do about it :) < 1485976406 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. You can create a ticket and wait while CaC totally ignores it. < 1485976482 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1485976576 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can set up a mirror of http://www.cloudatacost.com/ (I suspect the owner would gladly give you permission :P) < 1485976674 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485977162 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485977185 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest46309 < 1485977197 0 :Guest46309!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1485977217 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485977463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485977625 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1485977937 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1485978055 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1485978287 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1485978984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485979072 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1485980676 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485980937 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cloudatcocks.com/ < 1485980944 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual website with useful info ^ < 1485981458 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485981728 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485983129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, now nano is freezing?! < 1485983150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is "everything breaks" week < 1485983170 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485983280 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well at least the build system is working < 1485983571 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485983616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well that was broken from the start hth < 1485984820 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water Rabbit refuses to pay back EU funds < 1485984866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485985068 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1485985177 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1485985323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most common problems noticed are long waits for virtual machine deployment, loss of network connection, or total loss of a virtual machine. " < 1485985898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albino Heghog is in the lead in nederland polls < 1485985966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Your cock wiki seems a little spam-infested. < 1485986037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clear case of std < 1485986460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/esolangs/comments/5r1g6l/esolangsorg_is_down/ < 1485986543 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. :/ < 1485986565 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a very small subreddit. < 1485986598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, those are *real people* we're disappointifying. Not just #esoteric regulars. < 1485986637 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a reddit acount, I deleted it < 1485986640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `addquote ... oh wait ) < 1485986659 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once done a read-only backup copy for the wiki. Wonder if I should do something like that again. < 1485986693 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends on how long the server is going to be down. < 1485987661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485987668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wiki seems to be down < 1485987978 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We were discussing that very thing right now, in fact. < 1485987986 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I just checked the log < 1485987995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG went and told me to go ping you though < 1485988008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks like there's at least two communities outside us that care about the wiki being down… < 1485988043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's: so weird. Maybe I'll see if I can set up that read-only copy. I might still have most of the configuration in place. < 1485988109 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately it was up on the 30th, so my weekly backup isn't even particularly stale. < 1485988715 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485988994 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485989220 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. What I don't have in my backups is the SSL certificate, since it's rather elsewhere. That's a shame. < 1485989793 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This database restore takes a relatively long time. < 1485990087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1485990097 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting back "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." < 1485990130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe that was because the MySQL instance wasn't listening on TCP, just a Unix domain socket. Wonder if MediaWiki could use that. < 1485990175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's already supposed to do that when the server is specified as "localhost". < 1485990416 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set on $wgShowSQLErrors, and the other error reporting thing on Manual:How_to_debug, but it still says nothing more verbose than that. :( < 1485990479 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1485990544 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. The maintenance/rebuildFileCache.php script I executed from the command line seems to have no problems with the database. < 1485990552 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's using the same settings. < 1485990677 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops, it was using a path to the old version of MediaWiki for the PHP thing. < 1485990837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's being pretty slow, but it did show up, yay. Wonder if I should try to set up the HTTPS thing as well. < 1485991424 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I'll have to reconfigure the DNS before letsencrypt can actually do the domain verification thing. < 1485991854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485991954 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, wiki should be back up in read-only mode. < 1485992040 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(May also be slow, and you might have to wait for DNS records to propagate.) < 1485992384 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485992668 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1485993357 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1485994011 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485995268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485995295 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1485995350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1485995882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485996646 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1485997368 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd also like to put in a banner since the wgReadOnly setting is pretty subtle, but looks like the simple ways to do that would involve extensions, and I don't want to start fiddling with the templates.) < 1485998008 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1485998024 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998291 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Client Quit < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :Changing host < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998727 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485999288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485999298 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486000332 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486000553 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486000699 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486000724 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEUGURGHGHGHRGHRGHGHGHRGHH! < 1486000776 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been over this. < 1486000797 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello? over what? < 1486000837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:12 Not really much I can do about it :) < 1486000837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13 Yeah. You can create a ticket and wait while CaC totally ignores it. < 1486000840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14 Yup. < 1486000847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over that. < 1486000882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like a junkie without his daily fix < 1486000889 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches < 1486000916 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have that PDF? < 1486000934 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should print it out, then you can throw darts at it to pick one. < 1486001018 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to print it, bind it, and mail it to whomever that wants to have a dead tree copy. < 1486001565 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486001785 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486002068 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. you're rebracketed! < 1486003007 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. go to bed! < 1486003021 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. going to bed! < 1486003025 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fix you daily < 1486003031 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: JELLYBEAN CHICKEN < 1486003793 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486004770 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zxgaccpxgjezloxc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486004858 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486006638 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486007021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486009072 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lelgylgxefdlhcks JOIN :#esoteric < 1486009878 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486011641 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486011788 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486012426 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486013527 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486013807 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486015657 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vprrxqheeysqlepq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486015979 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486015979 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486016767 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486016814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486020719 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486020968 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486021052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486022712 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486022983 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486024385 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486024631 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486027781 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486029879 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486030473 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486030758 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031663 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031946 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486032522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486033633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, a familiar name: http://thedailywtf.com/images/17/q1/e244/Pic-4.png < 1486035306 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486035401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1486035524 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1486035584 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjoily < 1486035645 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc! < 1486035831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocociao < 1486035923 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me share with you the pride of my town http://www.rionesanpaolo-asti.it/IMMAGINIFOTO/varie/territorio/campo%20del%20palio/campodelpalio%20(2).JPG < 1486035945 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a penis shaped building built in the 1920s or 30s < 1486035966 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to represent virility and such < 1486036002 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. that is one ugly building. < 1486036013 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1486036096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do a tower comparison. Here's the one in the town my parents are from: http://esukki.mbnet.fi/images/vesitor.jpg < 1486036212 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is mushroomy hth < 1486036240 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1486036401 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a water tower that used to be at my uni: https://www.york.ac.uk/media/chemistry/archivephotos/watertower/watertower1.jpg < 1486036401 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the thing that is most like a tower in my hometown: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/98/24/ee/observatoire-de-la-capitale.jpg < 1486036468 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. concrete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra#/media/File:Socotra_dragon_tree.JPG ? < 1486036489 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it was known as "the mushroom" < 1486036540 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very concrete mushroom. < 1486036576 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was built in the 60s when times were simple and everything was concrete < 1486036693 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ufo-shaped one in Espoo. < 1486036713 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s114.photobucket.com/user/Janne_H_2006/media/haikaranpesa.jpg.html < 1486036718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a restaurant up top. < 1486036780 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1486036806 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tanebventions < 1486036827 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfie275, the bot is missing < 1486036833 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486036840 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: nice. < 1486036937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfiello275, b_jellonas. < 1486037043 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486037109 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486037147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a penis-shaped building here, but there's a maize ear shaped one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kis-Sv%C3%A1b_Hill_Protection_Area._View_to_Hotel_Budapest._-_Budapest.JPG < 1486037206 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yummy, with those thousand corn seeds, you could just bite in it if you were a giant < 1486037316 0 :staffehn!~quassel@staffehn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486037376 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486037500 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486037505 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486037517 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION faceheaddesks < 1486037858 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, speaking of vegetables, of course here in London we've got the http://londontopia.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The-Gherkin_safra-group.jpg < 1486038053 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486038555 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COVER CHICKEN < 1486038640 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cool Brainloller images out there? Like, the image should look like something, instead of just random noise. < 1486039130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I feel that it's more likely you'd find Piet programs instead. < 1486039238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a comment on that /r/esolangs post. < 1486039280 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet you say?... hmm < 1486039305 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was well done. < 1486039321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thanks < 1486039339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :GReaperEx: Granted, a lot of Piet programs are random noise as well. But there's some stuff, like the sample hello-world: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/hw6_big.png < 1486039379 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a Facebook recruiting ad puzzle thing in Piet, done in the shape of their 'f' logo. < 1486039400 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's cool! < 1486039448 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the pi calculator is very nice as well. < 1486039463 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html has all the "official" samples. < 1486039476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look for a big red thing.) < 1486039503 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess any image could be created really, as long as you don't use the specific colors that translate to instructions. The interpreter should ignore anything else, right? < 1486039540 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet doesn't define what colors except the 20 specific ones do. < 1486039550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additional colours (such as orange, brown) may be used, though their effect is implementation-dependent. In the simplest case, non-standard colours are treated by the language interpreter as the same as white, so may be used freely wherever white is used. (Another possibility is that they are treated the same as black.)" < 1486039565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a bit risky business. < 1486039581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486039583 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about Brainloller, DNS for esolangs.org hasn't updated for me at work. :/ < 1486039610 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, implementation-defined and such. < 1486039619 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're talking about an image of appreciable size, though, it's probably pretty easy to just arrange matters so that execution doesn't pass through the extra colors. < 1486039641 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that could be done too. < 1486039642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, there's this: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=559 < 1486039674 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, pretty clever. < 1486039732 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that pretty much by tweaking the noise left over (after palette conversion) a little bit. < 1486040757 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486041011 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486042695 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486043294 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486043995 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486044938 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486045203 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's zzo38? < 1486045230 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486045231 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada I think < 1486045857 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486045967 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also at Canada < 1486046069 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs fizzie platonically < 1486046106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have wiki!) < 1486046819 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047243 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047251 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486047643 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047851 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047884 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486047888 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486047888 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486049706 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486049759 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486050197 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486050751 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH FOR THE LOVE OF < 1486050777 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there so much issues with the command line arguments ength limit < 1486050900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the 2 megabyte linux one, the 32k windows one, or the 127 byte DOS one? < 1486050962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 127 byte DOS one is funny, because file paths can be up to 80 bytes long < 1486050977 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1486051901 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1486051987 0 :Mecha_Magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486052073 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 2 megabyte linux one < 1486052102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: by issues, do you mean it causes issues by existing, or that it's badly implemented? < 1486052364 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean that our command lines keep exceeding it < 1486052379 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have to rework things so they don't < 1486052409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're passing data via the command line which is more commonly passed in files? < 1486052442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many DOS programs had a convention that @ followed by a filename would treat the entire contents of the file as command line options < 1486052561 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a list of files. but it got too many < 1486052581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many files is 2MB of filenames? < 1486052598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1486052669 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're of the form /projects/Codename/Lyoko/SomeStupidClassName.{cpp,h,xx,yy,zzzzz.xx} < 1486052692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting extensions < 1486052758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use a lot of various stupid extentions for internal lanuages < 1486052826 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, plural. there are at least 3 languages used only at this company and nowhere else) < 1486052870 0 :Mecha_Ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486052887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say othing of the .generated.cpp and etc file < 1486052899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the .generated.2.cpp < 1486052968 0 :Mecha_Magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486052972 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do they all end up on the same command line? < 1486052985 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the build system doesn't properly detect when these .generated files need to be regenerated, so before a build be have to delete tham < 1486053039 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: by shell scripts passing them into other shell scripts < 1486053075 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( why not use make... make isn't perfect but it's almost certainly better than that) < 1486053077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or into scripts written in an internal scripting language) < 1486053466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the script interpreter has a slow interpreter that spends a long time parsing things < 1486054031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: if it's three languages, then two unsual extensions xx and zzzzz.xx isn't that many < 1486054051 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yy is the extension for yacc files that contain c++ code of course, it's not unusual < 1486054088 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: those are just paceholders for the actual extensions < 1486054151 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hold on Salmon is open source anyway < 1486054158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf am i talking about < 1486054183 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extentions are .salm, .jt.se, .comspec.se and .se < 1486054198 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? asdklfaskldfa < 1486054230 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486054237 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fucking bot -.- < 1486054250 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not dead, just pinin' the fjords < 1486054277 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: dead until cloud at cocks fixes it < 1486054366 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took them 3 weeks to reply to my last ticket < 1486054382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill: help < 1486054397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has underscores? < 1486054400 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill__: help < 1486054407 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it responds to its name anyway < 1486054417 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1486054417 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1486054425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, we have at least one working bot, at least < 1486054448 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have my bot have an alternative prefix that is in ascii < 1486054448 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2 < 1486054449 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 < 1486054450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1486054479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse"eerht" < 1486054481 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "three" < 1486054486 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ## as an alternative to ❄ < 1486054529 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1486054529 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1486054587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tunes.org logbot is working too < 1486054589 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe something cool like }|{ < 1486054645 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: couldn't it just listen to its nick as a prefix? < 1486054667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffj-bot: 'I listen to my nick' < 1486054668 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I listen to my nick < 1486054802 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffj-bot: 1 2 3 4 5 +/ < 1486054802 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: |syntax error < 1486054802 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: | 1 2 3 4 5+/ < 1486054805 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486054835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to get the various APL-alikes confused < 1486054846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not sure how to get my own nick in irssi scripts < 1486054848 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in whta apl-alike does that work? < 1486054861 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/ 1 2 3 4 5 < 1486054862 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 15 < 1486054867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, but I thought there was one where "1 2 3 4 5" was a list constructor < 1486054872 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486054875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is in most < 1486054883 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I got the evaluation order wrong < 1486054912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to Jelly, where you have to start with a constant < 1486054925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the rest of the program is a function that takes the constant as input < 1486054935 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the stack consists of a noun followed by a verb with nothing before, which is not allowed by the grammar < 1486054945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1486055008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 1 2 3 4 5 is a list constructor in almost any apl-like, but (1 2) (3 4) is different: in some classical APLs it constructs a list of lists or something, in J it's a syntax error, in K I think it constructs a single flat list but I'm not sure < 1486055147 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486055340 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ybvqzyphjldhmdfp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486055354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055360 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\:ping < 1486055377 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA < 1486055435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Jelly's list syntax is [1,2,3,4,5], but literal lists are pretty rare < 1486055473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\:ping < 1486055473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ pong < 1486055475 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055475 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ nonextant cmd. < 1486055480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRGH < 1486055489 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fboyxgnwpckkonzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1486055557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ pong < 1486055567 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1486057058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now to test < 1486057076 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057179 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057182 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1486057508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486057508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +++++++[->+++++++<]>...[] < 1486057551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057563 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1486057761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486057761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486058192 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486058219 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486058219 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486058271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486058506 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486058555 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486058783 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486059229 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a working bot. < 1486059229 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was talking about a 4k ( which excludes my possible participation), i'm kinda new here. < 1486059300 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Something about the IRC bot Ruby framework zemhill is using causes it to collect underscores. < 1486059300 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1486059361 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1486059383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell And rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059384 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486059388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1486059393 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 And rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059393 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many messages "and" has. < 1486059415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or if they're on any channels lambdabot is. < 1486059448 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486059452 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1486059461 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1486059461 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 1m 17s ago: rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059471 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwhelming tdnh < 1486059475 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1486059494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the answer is, none. < 1486059590 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, hmm < 1486059638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's weird? < 1486059708 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you emptied the bucket. < 1486059714 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind. < 1486059744 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a big bucket. < 1486059753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that a teacup, maybe. < 1486059760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were making a joke when you said none. < 1486059783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they drink tea in London? < 1486059819 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are messages to , , , and though... that won't work very well. < 1486059843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot was patched to allow @tell nick: instead of @tell nick < 1486059859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it ought to allow @tell too. < 1486059926 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "I" has only a single message < 1486060066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i I, for one, like roman numerals < 1486060089 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... punny < 1486060177 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486060185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a funpun, though. I read it on the Internet somewhere. < 1486060227 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486060257 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think they do. < 1486060278 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/31751878454/ < 1486060284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's in London.) < 1486060315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is London more expensive to live in than San Francisco? < 1486060339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a scalar answer to that. < 1486060397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were buying real estate in London the other day, weren't you? < 1486060435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnot really, I just look at what's available occasionally. < 1486060442 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later. < 1486060483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think buying real estate in the bay area is a good idea? < 1486060509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. Do you think California will become an independent country, and if so, will there be war? < 1486060520 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear you're (/they're) talking that sort of talks. < 1486060523 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect living in the urban area of London is cheaper than in the urban area of SF, but living in the central region of London most analogous to SF proper probably is comparable. < 1486060567 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the cost of living in the Bay Area doesn't go down *that* much outside of SF, and transportation gets pretty hard the further you are from your work there.) < 1486060591 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fair bit lower around here, I think. < 1486060618 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... While in London, at least you have transport options meaning you can quite sanely live in a cheaper part of the region. < 1486060629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Except when they're on strike. < 1486060640 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a tube strike coming from Sunday to Wednesday.) < 1486060682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 24 hours like usual. < 1486060719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, can you tell I'm all frazzled about it? < 1486060769 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :first May, then Trump, now this... the world is truly coming to an end < 1486060838 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's the sudden decline of CaC quality of service! < 1486061352 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I toyed about the idea of running it on Google Cloud Platform, but turns out it doesn't support "individual" account types in the EU area, for VAT reasons. < 1486061362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where it == the wiki.) < 1486061492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing y'all scrapped the EU area hth < 1486061544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the sole purpose for which you want to use Google Cloud Platform services has no potential economic benefit you should discontinue your use of the service. Learn how to disable billing on your projects." < 1486061617 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :economic benefit... to whom?! < 1486061666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be a "business", but then I believe I would have to pay VAT myself. < 1486061688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you would < 1486061694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :next will be Geert Wilders, then Marine Le Pen < 1486061703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a Googler-internal coupon thing for some credits that should be sufficient, but I don't know how that interacts with tax. < 1486061720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure if I can even redeem that coupon with a non-"Individual" account type. < 1486061735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu the thing about VAT in the EU is that companies have to pay VAT in the customer's country of origin (and VAT rates differ between countries too) < 1486061782 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nonetheless the sentence that shachaf quoted strikes me as odd. < 1486061791 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so unspecific < 1486061803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it comes after several other sentences. < 1486061806 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my understanding as well. And Russia changed their rules the same way, which means Google Cloud did the same thing for Russia. (Saw the thing shachaf quoted sent also for them.) < 1486061862 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh this comes after a specific list of uses that they're actually interested in? that would make sense < 1486061865 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I "pay" with a coupon, would I be liable for tax? I have absolutely no intuition (the best way to figure out taxation) about this. < 1486061886 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It wasn't *that* specific. < 1486061893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/6090602 < 1486061912 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: While you're figuring out taxation, can you help me with the US tax code? < 1486061926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What constitutes "substantially identical" securities for the wash sale rule? < 1486061950 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Levenshtein distance of less than three hth < 1486061954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is less relevant nowadays since all my securities' prices have gone up.) < 1486062348 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "Most software developers -- including affiliates, sole traders, self-employed merchants, partnerships, students and others -- use Google Cloud Platform for business purposes." really rings false to me. < 1486062395 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(students, really? and there are plenty of hobbyists, too, I'd think.) < 1486062401 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading that as "Most software developers (who use Google Cloud Platforms) use Google Cloud Platform for business purposes." < 1486062446 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that is... Bizarre. < 1486062465 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just punted on the idea of end-user users of the service in Europe. < 1486062474 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which kills the viability of the service, IMO) < 1486062494 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine nobody would be using AWS if it had a similar setup back when. < 1486062582 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie might *just* be fine as long as the billed amount remains a flat zero. < 1486062620 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously that's just an opinion, not sure what the legal situation really is. < 1486062903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486063549 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486063639 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1486063646 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064043 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486064122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064434 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486064675 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, it says "you'd like to see a potential economic benefit from your development activities, for example: using the Google Cloud Platform to develop prototypes or applications with a view to generating revenue in the future." < 1486064679 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Arguably if you intend to have a career in software, everything you do to learn things while a student of that field has a "business purpose". < 1486064704 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an atypical view of the term to me. < 1486064719 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not a lawyer and especially not a European lawyer. < 1486064733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie (and anyone else who cares): Stack Exchange gives a certain amount of free advertising space to their communities, while people are viewing them < 1486064748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you considered law school hth < 1486064754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG are considering producing an advert for Esolang (which would show some proportion of the time when people visited PPCG) < 1486064759 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considered? I guess I have, yes. < 1486064773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want one? and if so, what would it look like? < 1486064809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it would involve limes. < 1486064836 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the PPCG chat said too < 1486064851 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it should convey to the typical PPCG audience why they'd want to visit our site < 1486064892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG seems to stand for Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, by the way. < 1486064976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486064984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably the Internet's biggest user of esolangs < 1486065016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been aware of them for ages but resisted joining, typically I persuaded lynn to relay messages < 1486065025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the end I finally gave in and now I'm relaying the messages myself < 1486065762 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486065818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486065841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486066039 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486066587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486066618 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486066973 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1486067292 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486067376 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: about the community ads, one thing I was wondering is making one where the image is regularly replaced by a bot. it's a bit tricky, because you need to use the SE api for editing, which is nontrivial to implement, plus upload the images to their server, but it's possible and somewhat esoteric. < 1486067400 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: normally they just do that by directing the image to a server that updates, I think? < 1486067416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the image file is hosted elsewhere and just gets replaced on the server that hosts it < 1486067423 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486067442 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I've been relaying messages on SE for a while, I can do it for you too if you want, but then since you're already joined it'd be more strange < 1486067475 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, the rules for the community ads specifically say the image must be hosted on imgur, and they probably enforce that < 1486067488 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone's already documented how to automatically upload an image there < 1486067516 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486067539 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/10564/community-promotion-ads-2017 "Must be hosted through our standard image uploader (imgur)" < 1486067566 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was as easy as directing the ad to my server, then I'd have done it by now < 1486067607 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ordinary SE posts do allow images on your own server, so someone who wants that thing could collect a lot of traffic logs that way < 1486067643 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're in control of the imgur servers of course) < 1486068930 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486068967 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486068971 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486069000 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jkukvtsovdbcntuq JOIN :#esoteric < 1486069087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an ad would be exciting, though I don't have any good, creative ideas re content, and it'd probably be best to do at at some time when the wiki's actually up. < 1486069149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486069174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486069198 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the esolang that had comments entirely and only written in malaysian? I can't remember... < 1486069637 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the wiki is up, or so it seems to me < 1486069672 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: dunno, that reminds me to http://esolangs.org/wiki/%D0%AE%E1%93%82%EA%B3%A7%E2%8E%94 but doesn't match < 1486069810 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: found it: http://esolangs.org/wiki/SON-OF-UNBABTIZED . you just have to search for "malaysian" in the wiki < 1486069863 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486071101 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486071274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the ad's likely to run all of 2017, and can be repeated next year if people like it < 1486071277 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486071293 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, all of the remainder of 2017 ) < 1486071497 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486071734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's not properly up. < 1486071760 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I have a read-only backup copy running next to my feet here, but the disk access noises are annoying my wife. < 1486071884 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1486071905 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for doing that < 1486071916 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks to your wife for tolerating it < 1486072188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this new laptop appears to have a touchpadbinding that does the same thing as alt-tab < 1486072198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've hit it several times by accident, but experimentation fails to reveal what it is < 1486072222 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1486072233 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't appear to be a three- or four-finger drag up, down, left, or right < 1486072238 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some software that lets you control settings related to that touchpad? < 1486072245 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I did discover that a four-finger tap opens the "start menu" equivalent < 1486072258 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps it's on some particular area, like near some corner or edge? < 1486072262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: on Windows, yes; this is on Linux, though, so I assume something in Ubuntu is involved < 1486072267 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some touchpads have special functions near the edges and corners < 1486072284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :top right corner appears to be middle-click, I figured that one out a while back < 1486072302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other corners react to taps < 1486072367 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common functions include mouse wheel if you drag the right or bottom edge, and locking touchpad if you double-tap the corner with the led that shows whether it's locked < 1486072415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work laptop has a touchpad with "non-physical" buttons like that, and I never quite managed to configure it exactly the way it should work, even with a lot of fiddling with synclient. < 1486072451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this touchpad doesn't do either of those < 1486072466 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm somewhat impressed that it can distinguish a four- from a three-finger tap < 1486072516 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lots of years ago, I had a combination of motherboard, mouse, and software that would occasionally sometimes become mad and start jumping large distances wildly and clicking, even though I just move the mouse. stops when the mouse stops moving, and becomes normal after. < 1486072540 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, the huge distances often moved the mouse to the very corner of the screen, where the close button of a window is < 1486072556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if these HasSecondarySoftButtons / SecondarySoftButtonAreas options existed when I was trying. < 1486072559 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it possible that this alt-tab thing is not a symptom of a similar bug? < 1486072592 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm pretty sure it's intentional < 1486072605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer using a bleutoth mouse nayway < 1486072612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply that I haven't figured out the trigger < 1486072619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's buried deep in ccsm somewhere < 1486072639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried searching the internet, including either "ubuntu" or the model of the notebook? < 1486072641 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072665 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest60138 < 1486072672 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can often find posts on the internet about such things < 1486072673 0 :Guest60138!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486072689 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072764 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels like the sort of thing I should be able to figure out myself :-( < 1486072826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's a double three-finger tap < 1486072926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found the docs for it online (after figuring that out), and it seems that much of its functionality isn't working < 1486072931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the "switch to previous window" < 1486073027 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486073048 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting whether "drag with the right button" is executed as a two-finger tap followed by a single-finger drag, or a single-finger tap followed by a double-finger drag. < 1486073066 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Two-finger single tap is a regular right click.) < 1486073088 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I bet it will go away if you unistall unity < 1486073093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity is cancer < 1486073120 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I /like/ Unity < 1486073128 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: two to one < 1486073162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to two should logically drag and scroll at the same time (which is an operation that's meaningful on a regular mouse), but it doesn't seem to < 1486073190 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my issue with Unity is that it's broadly well designed from a UI point of view, but terribly implemented < 1486073208 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All guis related to a window should stay in that window. they shouldn't be on the top of the screen < 1486073220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has an option for that < 1486073223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure I agree < 1486073244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486073262 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486073281 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486073287 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486073294 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1486073296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have the bot < 1486073307 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should be addedquote < 1486073311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to use Gnome 3 at work < 1486073319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to figure out how it works – it's fairly unintuitive < 1486073322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still resent using it < 1486073338 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there should be a menu containing a simple categorical list of every gui program on the system. you shouldn't have to guess at the name of the program in some sort of privacy-cancer-ridden search box < 1486073357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Unity figured out fairly quickly that they shouldn't autohide the launcher, and made it there permanently by default < 1486073369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the search box doesn't access the internet by default nowadays < 1486073375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Windows', which does < 1486073385 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have windows 7 < 1486073393 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last good windows < 1486073406 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh come on, they say that about every windows version < 1486073414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a list of every GUI program on the system fairly quickly < 1486073415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no. < 1486073425 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know windows 10 sucks, but at least say something that's specific to that one < 1486073431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good windowses are 98, XP, and 7 < 1486073443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(start menu equivalent / Applications / Installed); it also lets you set filters to narrow it down to categories < 1486073443 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the others sucked < 1486073450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also you mean 98 SE specifically < 1486073451 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 was awesome < 1486073460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, 2000 was genuinely good < 1486073472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1 was also good for its time < 1486073474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean Windows, not the year. < 1486073474 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 95 OSR2 was a decent one. no memory protection made sense at its time. < 1486073491 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I quite like windows 3.11 < 1486073493 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer 2000 oder xp < 1486073506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I still have the opinion that Vista is the best version of Windows < 1486073510 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over < 1486073518 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1486073530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista is a bug ridden turd < 1486073543 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've USED it < 1486073546 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista was like the public alpha of 7 < 1486073573 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: what? even over xp and 7? < 1486073573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista is not buggy in of itself, it's just very good at exposing bugs in everything else < 1486073586 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft had to back down from this policy because everyone blamed the OS < 1486073599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the result that 7 after it (and XP before it) are both much more tolerant of buggy program < 1486073602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1486073610 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they have quite a lot of really crazy workarounds for old programs < 1486073620 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so Microsoft lost pretty much their only chance to try to get the quality of programs on their platform up < 1486073621 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them very unintuitive < 1486073622 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: linus torvalds said it best: "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" < 1486073640 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: most of the crashes are a result of breaking kernelspace < 1486073651 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, redirecting the system32 directory unless the program claims he knows what system32 means < 1486073652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that Microsoft mostly doesn't write drivers themselves < 1486073660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather leaves it up to the hardware manufacture < 1486073686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them suck at writing drivers, and many are selfish rather than playing nice with the platform < 1486073697 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that whatever was changed most recently must be blamed < 1486073698 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486073707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, this is why hardware more than a few months old is more likely to "just work" on Linux than Windows < 1486073758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, things worked better on windows 7 and windows 7 gets that credit < 1486073768 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, and if I buy my next computer, I'll try to buy a motherboard that's at least one year old if possible, so that within a year it will start to just work, when hardware people reverse engineer it to write drivers for everything, like power management and network card and disk controller and stuff < 1486073773 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for cpu < 1486073790 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the case and hard disk can be new models, those don't matter much < 1486073810 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the addition hard disks that is, I will also keep using the ones I have now < 1486073820 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not as old as this motherboard and cpu and memory < 1486073937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the point i was making about UI is that information hiding in a UI is bad < 1486073968 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large menu with every program in it is better than a pretty one where it's hard to find things < 1486074082 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu for unity at least should have a section where you can get a scrollable list of all programs < 1486074104 0 :Mecha_Ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486074263 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486074812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486074905 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 8 made the same exact mistake in their idiotic "start screen" of course < 1486075281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Unity's menu /has/ a scrollable list of all programs < 1486075303 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open the menu, click on the applications icon at the bottom (which looks sort-of like an A), then click on "installed" < 1486075317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it three clicks away < 1486075348 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's rarely used < 1486075371 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why isn't it labeled simply "all programs" like on windows 7 < 1486075492 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never discovered it until I had given up and switched to XFCE < 1486075566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it's fairly obvious that you'd click on the "applications" icon in order to get a list of applications < 1486075588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third click is very obvious, given that it shows your most recently used applications and gives an option to see all of them < 1486075598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"installed"? < 1486075648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full text is: "Installed See 166 more results >" < 1486075653 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start of a short list of programs < 1486075662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click on that to get the full list < 1486075668 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is since when. I haven't used Ubuntu since version 11.04 < 1486075707 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically, I have, but not regularly < 1486075737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how's your build system project doing today? < 1486075764 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not in charge of the build system < 1486075779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the project to become in charge of fixing it < 1486075825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just learn from facebook, yo < 1486075827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE0xLl-UUAAd7nz.jpg < 1486075863 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.04 is when they ruined the UI, so after wrestling with it for months learning to customize it into something resembling usabilty, I gave up and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop < 1486075874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first version of Unity was terrible, IIRC < 1486075878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it got better fairly quickly < 1486075894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good now? < 1486075908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I tried it about six months ago it still seemed pretty scow. < 1486075922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has the menus outside their proper windows and no normal applications menu < 1486075941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a weird dock instead of a taskbar < 1486076027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that sounds a bit like old macOS. wait, i have no idea what OSX does... ) < 1486076045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the same. < 1486076052 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OSX is just as shit an interface as old macs < 1486076071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1486076074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally anything except what \oren\ is used to is utter scow < 1486076083 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's well-designed but badly-implemented < 1486076100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Cinnamon with Ubuntu now. < 1486076104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ideal but it works. < 1486076159 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at first glance at the screenshot on wikipedia, cinnamon looks great < 1486076183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( today we'll show how to make a delicious vegan dish with cinnamon and ubuntu ) < 1486076197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal desktop, a normal taskbar, a normal menu < 1486076301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's actually a type of cola called ubuntu < 1486076307 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know offhand whether it's vegan or not < 1486076322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and application menus are in the respective window for that application. WONDERFUL < 1486076324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, right < 1486076328 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out what sort of dish would contain cinnamon and cola, I'm guessing it's a dessert though < 1486076346 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486076368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Coca-Cola contain cinnamon? < 1486076370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did? < 1486076388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cocaine hth < 1486076803 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine as spice… and here I thought spice was cannabis < 1486076911 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486076988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! so cinnamon is what Linux Mint uses! < 1486077011 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains Mint's rise to the top of the Distrowatch < 1486077057 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486077127 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486077677 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486077872 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:e55b:7cae:8901:3824 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486077973 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078232 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078262 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1486078262 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1486078488 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078489 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078753 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486078810 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486078871 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078913 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas Thanks! < 1486078914 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486079100 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, sourceforge isn't a malware ridden hellhole anymore? < 1486079179 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. wut? < 1486079208 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently last year they stopped bundling malware with programs < 1486079243 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/10/good-news-sourceforge-stops-bundling-adware-with-installers/ < 1486079386 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cnet is still a malware ridden hellhole though < 1486079635 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cnet is the reference hellhole. < 1486079704 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, is there a decent site that'll let me host the free software I write that isn't open-source? I normally use dropbox but they don't like it... < 1486079818 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486079921 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the thing. You said "freeware is free software." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies free software, I am telling you, specifically, in programming, no one calls freeware "free software". They're not the same thing. If you're saying "freeware" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Gratisdae, which includes things from... < 1486079922 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...GPL to shareware to public domain. < 1486079947 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? < 1486079963 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PART #esoteric :"." < 1486080008 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Freeware in the 1990s sense. Free software that you can donate to if you so wish but otherwise just use because it's convenient. < 1486080014 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shareware is different < 1486080050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with sharware, which is software distributed in a shell archive. < 1486080064 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1486080193 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486080395 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like shar < 1486080461 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I managed to build an executable jar. it was way too complex. < 1486080644 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486080653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppa 2 < 1486080863 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486080940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what bit numbers have never been used < 1486081152 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1486081178 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, has anyone made a 13-bit computer? < 1486081199 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 128 bit computer < 1486081287 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The IBM System/370 could be considered the first simple 128-bit computer, as it used 128-bit floating-point registers.” ― https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/128-bit < 1486081457 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipédia lists 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 32, 34, 36, 39, 40, 48, 50, 60 and 64-bit architectures. < 1486081492 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also weird oddities here and there, at least one 6-trit architecture, and a bunch of decimal digit archs. < 1486081519 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apollo guidance computer, 15 bit < 1486081651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was 16 bits but one bit was just a parity < 1486081674 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea, given space radiation and all < 1486081834 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every memory read and memory write was checked for parity < 1486081900 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486082662 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486082705 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486083386 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the Sega Dreamcast 128 bit, at which point everyone gave up on the bit wars because it had got rather silly? < 1486083700 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486083707 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486084105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the Dreamcast is any more "128 bit" as x86 SIMDy things. < 1486084153 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a plain old-fashioned 32-bit SH-4 CPU, and a "four 32-bit floats" SIMD thing. < 1486084176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm sure that's good enough to use the term "128-bit" in marketing. < 1486084183 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I was always told that it and the PS2 were 128-bit... < 1486084191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486084192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean to be n-bit? < 1486084205 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traditionally, n-bit databus < 1486084206 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was, then I'm typing this on a 256-bit system. < 1486084227 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if that was true, serial computers would be 1-bit... < 1486084286 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the original PC would be 8-bit (time division multiplexed 16-bit) < 1486084383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With no further qualification, a 64-bit computer architecture generally has integer and addressing processor registers that are 64 bits wide, allowing direct support for 64-bit data types and addresses. However, a CPU might have external data buses or address buses with different sizes from the registers, even larger (the 32-bit Pentium had a 64-bit data bus, for instance[2]). The term may ... < 1486084389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... also refer to the size of low-level data types, such as 64-bit floating-point numbers." < 1486084406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the Wikipedia definition, which is relevant for that list above. < 1486084456 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is a weird one, because the smallest registers are 8 bit and the biggest up to 64 bit < 1486084489 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is a whole nother of weirdness. < 1486084531 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD6303 had 2 8-bit accumulators that could be combined into a 16-bit accumulator, just as the 8086 had with AH/AL/AX, yet the HD6303 was described as 8-bit... < 1486084540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is 80-bit at least < 1486084545 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that only x87? < 1486084570 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: same thing since the pentium... < 1486084588 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So x means 5 or more? < 1486084607 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1486084712 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition did say "integer and addressing". < 1486084767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at the last sentence. < 1486084795 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD6303 had a 16-bit index register, a 16-bit address bus and with it's combined 16-bit accumulator is as much 16 bit as the 8086, surely? < 1486084820 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 is in the same camp. < 1486084830 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet everyone counts it as 8-bit. < 1486084836 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many people, anyway. < 1486084886 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 had no 16-bit accumulator. Neither did the 6502. The HD6303 did. < 1486085027 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been reading a lot about the HD6303X recently... < 1486085095 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, no 16-bit accumulator? < 1486085102 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do a lot of stuff 16-bit. < 1486085128 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including adding things. < 1486085155 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 has an 8-bit accumulator and 6 8-bit general purpose registers that can be paired to be 16-bit < 1486085173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a ridiculous distinction. < 1486085184 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can increment a 16-bit register pair. < 1486085186 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1486085189 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't accumulators technically < 1486085299 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486085396 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can't do everything with them, but AIUI, you can't do everything on the 16-bit pair of the HD6303 either. < 1486085423 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1486085439 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back into his hole < 1486085508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly even the Z80 user manual reserves the "accumulator" term for A. I just think it's a little silly. < 1486085556 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A had functionality not afforded to the other registers, just as AX has over BX, CX and DX... < 1486085658 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has unique functionality as well, and it doesn't get a catchy name. < 1486085662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a petition. < 1486085689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("IN r, (C)" and "OUT (C), r".) < 1486085701 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it accumulating functionality though? < 1486085734 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x86, they all have names: Accumulator, Base register, Counter and Data register... < 1486085749 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :HL serves as the "16-bit accumulator", arguably. < 1486085759 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1486085781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much Z80 programming; I know the 6502 programming though, which has A, X, and Y register, and the operations available on each are different (although some operations are available for more than one of them or for all of them). < 1486085820 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the 6502 had a B too? Or is that just the 6800 on which it was based? < 1486085860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 has no B register < 1486085875 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe processors are just too different to conform to our taxonomies... < 1486085899 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, it's 1:40 AM here. I'm off to bed. < 1486085908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the video processor instruction set in a computer design I made has A and B registers (each 8-bits), it is somewhat based on 6502 but there are many differences. < 1486086188 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486086436 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI TMS320C54xx series of DSPs has two accumulators, A and B, each 40 bits wide. (In addition, it has 8 16-bit auxiliary registers AR0 to AR7, and one 16-bit temporary register T.) < 1486086482 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people call it a 16-bit DSP, even though it's got those 40-bit accumulators. < 1486086484 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK I did not know that, now I do < 1486086518 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory is word-addressilble with a word size of 16, so probably that's fair. < 1486087058 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486088760 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: UPDATED CHICKEN < 1486089502 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486089767 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486090519 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486091161 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1486091168 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486091940 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486092188 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://snag.gy/AokWHh.jpg < 1486092197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i flying i dont even < 1486092238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even remotely shaped like an aeroplane < 1486092721 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486092801 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be an #esoteric-offtopic < 1486092830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting the center of gravity... why wouldn't it fly? < 1486092873 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486093001 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486094081 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell krok_ maybe there should be an #esoteric-offtopic <- that's what #esoteric-blah is for, i think < 1486094082 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486094151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what #esoteric was for, and #esoteric-blah is for spam. < 1486094313 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why #esoteric-ontopic is empty < 1486094473 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486097263 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486098118 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486098884 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486098942 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486099004 0 :linuxenia!~linuxenia@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486099570 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lelgylgxefdlhcks QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486100530 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486100630 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486100991 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486102590 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486102849 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486103313 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6167:e13:704:3925 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486103576 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6167:e13:704:3925 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486103685 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486103848 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486105563 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a preprocessor for OpenGL shader program to be able to write fractions with slashes, and then I wrote this fragment program: http://sprunge.us/HcjK Do you like this? < 1486106249 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106491 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b93f:799f:bba1:39df JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106518 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486106642 0 :icnonzero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106675 0 :icnonzero!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486106686 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106762 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b93f:799f:bba1:39df QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486107473 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1486109489 0 :linuxenia!~linuxenia@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486111502 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers JOIN :#esoteric < 1486112356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486112984 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486113455 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486113698 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486114936 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486114941 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Thanks. < 1486114960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman < 1486114988 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably time for cgi.hs to display a textarea instead of a one line input box :D < 1486115138 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdbc, seriously? < 1486115266 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486115271 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make that conditionally < 1486115276 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't need it when building without IO < 1486115282 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that was a complaint about HDBC itself < 1486115287 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1486115294 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need it for MySQL < 1486115299 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque can now do DB stuff < 1486115300 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1486115335 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup: The program 'mysql_config' is required but it could not be found <--- hdbc-mysql doesn't build without mysql, so making that optional would be a good idea, I think < 1486115536 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I expect it'll want the mysql client library as well... just didn't get to that point) < 1486115574 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486115578 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll add some more ifdefs < 1486115827 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. pull and try again. < 1486115945 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need MySQL so I can write websites in it . < 1486115963 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not planning on it. < 1486116013 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the support is lousy. Not all data types are even mapped) < 1486116028 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Burlesque is lousy. The code is so underdocumented and garbage) < 1486116044 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's like runStack, runStack' and runStack'' and I have no idea what they were all for :D) < 1486116078 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to maintain Burlesque is to ignore all the crapiness and just keep adding stuff. < 1486116103 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what existing stuff exactly does, don't change it, just add more stuff even if it's redundant :D < 1486116116 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( where "Burlesque" is a placeholder for any of 99% of all software projects on Earth ) < 1486116165 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/bILXgFqW <- it know even has better syntax < 1486116170 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like procedures and stuff < 1486116185 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just hacked on top of stuff that was hacked on top of some other stuff < 1486116267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say you're building your code on top of an existing framework. < 1486116273 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory < 1486116287 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could now create wrapper procs for all builtins < 1486116294 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proc reverse { <- } proc add { ?+ } < 1486116295 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1486116302 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would start to look like a decent language :D < 1486116329 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also javascript style objects are already on the way < 1486116330 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486116350 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I have I/O I can go completely nuts < 1486116398 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mutable hashmaps < 1486116439 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this point I'm sure to win "crappiest language on earth" AND "crappiest implementation on earth" < 1486116447 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at this < 1486116482 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1486116485 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 - 2017 < 1486116489 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is 5 years old! < 1486116507 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have 5 years of experience and 5 years of supporting customers! < 1486116519 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not yet one customer has ever complained < 1486116535 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it builds... and I've updated it on the VM < 1486116540 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :) < 1486116578 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I can update the link on my website < 1486116605 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an old version of the cgi there anyway, but I guess you saw that < 1486116650 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1486116677 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually use blsq < 1486116680 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%in? ln{WD^p'/;;[~'-;;-]{}j_+j_+ri}m[ ><{0!!j0!!==}gb{J0!!0!!j)[~++@1024?/@1024?/@1024?/{}j_+j+]}m[sp < 1486116684 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some code I wrote today < 1486116711 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to parse some log file with file sizes < 1486116784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you should make a build system in it, right \oren\ ? ) < 1486116837 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a directory with files in it and I need to copy them to some other system through another system and there's not enough space on disk to do it in a whole bunch < 1486116855 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the code above groups the files into "groups of files" and their file sizes < 1486116865 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I know how/what I can copy them < 1486116901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486117089 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... threads :D < 1486117108 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go with time and paralell processing is a nice feature < 1486117244 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many languages like Burlesque, Golfscript, Flogscript < 1486117254 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays < 1486117271 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to PPCPG on stackoverflow. < 1486117301 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to add features to be able to make Burlesque stand out from the rest :p < 1486117345 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486117874 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ayt? < 1486117905 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In M:tG, remember I complained how the phrasing of the Spreading Seas ability is really opaque, and I suggested a reworded ability could make the enchanted land be a copy of a template pristine Island straight from the Gatherer? < 1486117931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just found a precedent for that: Peacekeeper Avatar (Vanguard) http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=182281 works that way. < 1486117977 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers PART #esoteric :"bye http://i.imgur.com/nkzOWAv.jpg" < 1486118565 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486118986 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also redecorated the webpage (http://mroman.ch/burlesque/) :p < 1486119459 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just hire an indian to write the documentation for me :( < 1486119486 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other person from countries I could actually afford to hire anybody. < 1486119614 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could get some of my students to do it. < 1486119614 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1486120450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you have students, that can help with boring tasks like that. just make sure to prioritize and not overwork them, so they can also grade exams and teach and stuff like that. < 1486120547 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to apply to be a student again soo < 1486120550 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1486120709 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486120976 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486121716 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486122389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: yliolleh < 1486122424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan !nitam najrøb < 1486122424 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486122593 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily < 1486123755 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! < 1486123999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CLOTHE CHICKEN < 1486124366 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486124478 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't really ask students for personal favours. < 1486124490 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not illegal < 1486124491 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1486124502 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds wrong. < 1486124586 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: of course not. the task they help you in has to be a professional one. < 1486124607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not asking favors, you're giving them tasks for their employment. < 1486124614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring tasks < 1486124625 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486126059 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486127394 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486127395 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486128543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486130434 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486131046 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486131323 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486132386 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1486133741 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486134492 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486134624 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486135523 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486135579 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486136990 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6bam6rp5jhio.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486137781 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7849:9df7:2166:351 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486138446 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486138765 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486139916 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486140357 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippa~ < 1486140869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486140926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141020 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is back! < 1486141040 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1486141044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1486141166 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey look! everyday heroes comics ("http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/") has posted two strips and a filler strips, after a hiatus of like 11 months. < 1486141236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`everydayheroeslist < 1486141237 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: everydayheroeslist: not found < 1486141239 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smack jeeves? I remember there was a browser toolbar named ask jeeves a long time ago < 1486141270 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think that's because Jeeves is like some nickname for some common given name in American or something < 1486141282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1486141300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486141313 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a search engine called Ask Jeeves < 1486141329 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the PG Wodehouse character from Jeeves and Wooster, famously played by Stephen Fry < 1486141396 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I only remember the toolbar, which was really hard to uninstall, you had to delete fiels and registry keys manually < 1486141418 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ask Jeeves was more of a thing in the UK < 1486141436 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It folded in, like, 2007??? because everyone and their mum was using Google < 1486141495 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh, like the skype browser plugin that you can disable in the plugin settings, but keeps re-enabling itself every time skype updates itself? < 1486141538 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486141580 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaces every sequence of digits with a link to call that interpreted as a phone number in skype, everywhere in every webpage? < 1486141605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486141615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141624 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT < 1486141659 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, that sounds like one of the worst browser cancers of the XP era, the dreaded red advertisement links < 1486141674 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, except that one is from the windows 7 era < 1486141745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you'd think microsoft would sanction skype for doing that crap < 1486141755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than that web-based mailing list archive viewer they used to have on the gnu servers, which thought that if an at sign followed by a letter anywhere in the text of the mail, then it totally has to remove the surrounding part of the text for "spam protection" just in case it's an email address. mangles source code (especially perl) snippets you post on the mailing list unreadable through the archives. < 1486141782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how is microsoft involved? this was before microsoft bought skype, and the plugin applies for the firefox browser < 1486141801 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the firefox devs eventually broke the auto-enabler though < 1486141812 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486141813 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took a heck of a long time < 1486141839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may have been other skype plugins to non-XUL browsers too, I just don't know about thos < 1486141861 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much of an internet explorer user < 1486141924 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the red link disease still exists but they're green and double underlined these days < 1486142063 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno I never trusted cool cursor programs again after that. < 1486142185 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1486142199 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486142267 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486142412 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasnt there some years back some .ico and .cur collections offered for free with no strings attached? I downloaded one and it was just a .zip file with instructions where to drag and drop the files. No turing executable code at all and all the files passed virus checkers and format conformity checkers too. < 1486142436 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: well those don't make money, so they don't get advertised aggressively < 1486142448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years, like every third advert was for "free smileys" or the like < 1486142470 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wondering for a long while, intermittently, what that was about? My current hyppothesis is someone was just sick of seeing badly done icons and cursors. < 1486142485 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486142497 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486142558 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: it was about spreading trojans < 1486142560 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there were some intresting adverts on the download page. (Though no fake download buttons) < 1486142582 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the one you found < 1486142593 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yebb. < 1486142655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean I made by own font with 20000 characters because none of the ones I had suited my tastes perfectly < 1486142704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wait, it has 20000 characters now? how many non-hangul ones? < 1486142713 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe a rogue graphic artist wanted to spread good icons around < 1486142721 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: let me check < 1486142739 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I have seen but advertising it? Though it might be that the author(s) wanted to spread those cursors and icons and used the advertising revenue from the download page ads to pay for their own ads. < 1486142752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-laud < 1486142752 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 38m 47s ago: !nitam najrøb < 1486142759 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: it could also be malware < 1486142763 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 20758 characters < 1486142784 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope, as I said. Passed virus scanners and format checkers. < 1486142814 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 11,172 precomposed hangul < 1486142851 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc 20758 11172 - p < 1486142852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: Could not open file 20758 11172 - p < 1486142862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: maybe you should add a line to the bottom of allchars.htm telling how many non-hangul chars you have < 1486142865 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :` dc <<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1486142872 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142873 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the bot's back now? < 1486142873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: warning: here-document at line 4 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `20758 11172 - p') < 1486142874 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :virus scanners cant catch everything but if format checkers dont catch it then it is very unlikely that they could exploit something like libpng vulernabilities undetected < 1486142878 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: one more < < 1486142878 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a quote I wanted to add < 1486142887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142888 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9586 < 1486142895 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote opposite of Gnome < 1486142896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486142905 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1308) basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote opposite of Gnome < 1486142911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1308) basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142920 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did the bot come back? < 1486142932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki back as writable too now? < 1486142939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:59 < 1486142950 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 17:32 right now < 1486142959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, \oren\ is in the same timezone as me < 1486142966 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to my server's time zone) < 1486142967 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you don't live in Hexham do you? < 1486142975 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:28 --- HackEgo has joined #esoteric < 1486142985 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still locked. When will you unlock it? < 1486142991 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you already sorted out the time zone) < 1486143002 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your clock is 3 minutes fast, I think < 1486143012 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to fix that < 1486143034 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(barely resisting the temptation to say that it's 57 minutes slow) < 1486143040 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are two copies of the wiki; the "locked" one is the backup copy, which is permanently read-only (because changes to it wouldn't affect the main copy) < 1486143047 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a variant of the date command that allows me to subtract < 1486143075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '1 hour ago' < 1486143076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Feb 3 16:31:12 UTC 2017 < 1486143089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%s # unix epoch timestamp < 1486143090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1486143086 < 1486143111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm disappointed that it isn't using a new zealand variant of UTC < 1486143121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, the bot's back now? <-- OOOOOOH < 1486143129 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then how to use it? < 1486143140 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it's the winter, so the people in Iceland (who are in permanent winter) are in the same timezone as you know as well < 1486143152 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date < 1486143153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Feb 3 17:32:29 UTC 2017 < 1486143171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: once the main server is back up, the esolangs.org name will be directed back at it (although that has to be done manually, probably by fizzie) < 1486143178 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1486143189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, sudo date -s '3 minutes ago'? < 1486143212 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that worked < 1486143238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe the clock went back < 1486143256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1486143257 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1486143269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes. I usually write it as sudo date -s "now -180sec" or something, then kill -9 $$ after that so I don't accidentally repeat it from the bash history < 1486143292 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: since you're here, let me repeat what I tried to say from earlier < 1486143316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK. Maybe I missed it before < 1486143328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In M:tG, remember I complained how the phrasing of the Spreading Seas ability is really opaque, and I suggested a reworded ability could make the enchanted land be a copy of a template pristine Island straight from the Gatherer? < 1486143333 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a precedent for that: Peacekeeper Avatar (Vanguard) http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=182281 works that way. < 1486143389 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now mind you, that might not mean much, because there's also the Momir Vig avatar card that creates a copy of a random creature card from all the cards available in the format or something < 1486143393 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I think that way isn't very good. < 1486143402 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486143405 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor is the Momir Vig avatar, actually.) < 1486143420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1486143433 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a different problem < 1486143437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effects should not depend on the database. < 1486143448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IMO the phrasing should be "Enchanted land is an Island with '{T}: add {U} to your mana pool' and no other abilities" < 1486143464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this would work under the current rules but would be redundant; however it would allow the rules to be simplified) < 1486143467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work < 1486143472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really like that either though. < 1486143477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why not? < 1486143482 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that apply the ability removal too high in the layers? < 1486143518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter what the layer sequence is, because the "no other abilities" doesn't remove the ability that Spreading Seas grants itself due to the word "other" < 1486143526 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, wouldn't it remove abilities added by eg. Urborg, Tomb? < 1486143528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Still, those are *real people* we're disappointifying. Not just #esoteric regulars. < 1486143529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1309) Still, those are *real people* we're disappointifying. Not just #esoteric regulars. < 1486143551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, I wasn't trying to replicate the exact current interactions of the card with other cards < 1486143551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, it would remove too many abilities < 1486143563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't try to _exactly_ replicate it either < 1486143567 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just close enoguh to rarely make a difference < 1486143590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying a land on it differs too, eg. it would turn Dryad Arbor to a noncreature < 1486143619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486143626 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subtype gives it the implicit ability "{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool" (i.e. that ability does not come directly from its text). I think that "normal Island" or something like that would work better to not change it too much. < 1486143633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't make Dryad Arbor a noncreature, it doesn't change permanent types < 1486143651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean _my_ copying solution would turn Dryad Arbor to a noncreature < 1486143654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I think Islands should have an explicit ability "{T}: add {U} to your mana pool" < 1486143660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah right < 1486143725 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: explicit as in not granted by the subtype? < 1486143733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486143739 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed on the card, too! < 1486143778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're not saying this only because the first printed versions of them had them printed, right? (I have some Fourth Edition Islands in fact). < 1486143798 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, don't need to print it on the card < 1486143864 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know if they should have an explicit ability, but if they would, I think it might be better if the rules said that the big mana symbol in the text box represents that ability, rather than printing the text. < 1486143875 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the first printed versions likely followed the same reasoning I am < 1486143888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they thought the giant mana symbol version was less confusing for new players < 1486143898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this has lead to a lot of players thinking that llanowar elves was some sort of tutor < 1486143923 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printing the ability certainly makes teaching beginners easier (there's always beginners who keep confusing lands with mana), but it's distracting for later players, because basic lands are so common and so varied in appearance that the giant mana symbol makes them easier to recognize. You don't have to spend time reading the ability. < 1486143935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should get the rules for my TCG that shachaf keeps pestering me about finished < 1486143941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a fairly neat fix for this sort of issue < 1486143945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apparently they thought the giant mana symbol version was less confusing for new players" -- what? really? < 1486143948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1486143957 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've updated the allchars.txt to include a count of non-hangul < 1486144009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... most TCGs don't have land cards producing mana, so the whole problem doesn't even come up. besides, it's easier to fix these things when you don't have to be compatible with, what, 20 years of history. < 1486144015 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh nice! thanks < 1486144068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wow, 20000 is a lot < 1486144077 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Turing-Complete Game ) < 1486144112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think a newly defined trading card game would likely be turing complete < 1486144114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: like M:tG, you mean? :-) < 1486144124 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly. < 1486144127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's typically only a matter of the right cards being printed < 1486144129 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes lots of expansions to get enough crazy cards for that < 1486144133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1486144134 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could have a card that's Turing-complete by itself < 1486144138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1486144139 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144149 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most games don't aim for that < 1486144181 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtractpocalypse was inspired by FTL's scripting system, for what it's worth < 1486144198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that only has four variables, and the TCness proof needs more < 1486144215 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think some games actively try to avoid infinite resource completion by some resource ranking, so that every game ends in a finite time, and the game tree is limited by a smallish ordinal < 1486144311 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :resource ranking as in some ordering of the kinds of resources such that you can get any of a kind of resource only by spending some of a resource that's greater in the ordering, and every resource is quantized so you can only have natural number of amounts of them < 1486144564 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144564 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :BooK_!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144577 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144580 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144581 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144581 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144583 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144592 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144600 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there was just a wallop warning that this sort of thing might happen < 1486144601 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144604 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144611 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144611 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repeated very short netsplits, that is) < 1486144623 0 :L3viathan!?@? NICK :Guest78015 < 1486144669 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144857 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144905 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7849:9df7:2166:351 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486145404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses curl --connect-to to check that the real wiki is up < 1486145729 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486145840 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has edited /etc/hosts < 1486145857 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realized that I don't really have anything to edit on the wiki. < 1486145861 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486145917 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486145995 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146180 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146190 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146256 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486146263 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's back? I didn't even notice. < 1486146435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me flip the DNS then. < 1486146508 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Islands should not have the explicit ability "{T}: Add {U} into your mana pool", but it should have that printed as reminder text. < 1486146534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for special versions with flavor text, which would omit the reminder text) < 1486146572 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they still make those lands with just the name and artwork? < 1486146681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they save them for special occasions < 1486146688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time was Battle for Zendikar block < 1486146736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is widely regarded as one of the worst blocks to be released recently; they used full-art lands and Masterpiece cards in an attempt to get people to buy it anyway < 1486146770 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst both in terms of undesirable cards and bad internal balance/playability < 1486146840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I should've set a TTL of less than a day for the temporary name. < 1486146851 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it'll take a day again to propagate to. < 1486146863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use 5-minute TTLs if there's any chance that I might need to change it in the near future < 1486146875 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would've been reasonable. < 1486146905 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's plop the wiki bridge back up as well. < 1486146912 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146912 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486146922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I visited the site and got the editable version < 1486146985 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's working? < 1486147010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see the right things with dig. < 1486147034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the right @nameservers, that is. < 1486147083 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 9684 seconds, I should see it even without. < 1486147176 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, TTL is 55799 here < 1486147187 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll survive that long) < 1486147211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( i thought you said you changed /etc/hosts ) < 1486147260 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did. I can still query nameservers ;-) < 1486147301 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a program to run every iteration of a long shell script to show it hasn't frozen < 1486147312 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/stars.c.htm < 1486147340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, there should be a way to ask a nameserver to drop a name from cache. < 1486147349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it displays a random goofy unicode symbol each second < 1486147392 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the symbol keeps changing, the script hasn't frozen < 1486147410 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tricky, on whose authority? < 1486147436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there might be some throttling, in which case it should be harmless... < 1486147475 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm trying to figure out whether this would simplify dns cache poisoning or make it harder. < 1486147478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except that might DOS the central one. < 1486147500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you sent it to many DNS servers) < 1486147505 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486147524 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I suspect that overall it would make it simpler... and yes there's a potential DoS vector there) < 1486147652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always complications < 1486148023 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution to DoS is to use DOS < 1486148108 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486148124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, the only throttling used to be that "drop cache" requests had to be sent by POST unless you were logged in < 1486148131 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to prevent them being hit by accident by spiders) < 1486148145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if they added a CAPTCHA to it though < 1486148216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I'll write a Jelly interpreter in C < 1486148246 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: before i had to reboot, it seemed you were talking about game designer intentionally building hydrae out of resources. any evidence of that? < 1486148330 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486148351 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hydrae in what sense? I don't understand < 1486148357 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sort of hydrae < 1486148514 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the only direct evidence I have is the Irregulars' goldfish cube, where the writeup tells it was designed that way: < 1486148524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: make sure you use a bignum library, it's fairly important to many Jelly programs < 1486148594 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/magic/goldfish/Cube_Design.html < 1486148671 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but I think to some amount the thought is there in M:tG design too, even if they don't completely insist on it. and sometimes they change the ordering, eg. recently they decided you can't just sacrifice your permanents for free in newer sets, despite that old sets have a lot of abilities with just sacrificing a creature as a cost, < 1486148700 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're effectively moving sacrificing stuff up in the ordering, and can let you gain resources from stuff dying more easily < 1486148736 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: even at the basic level, cards generally want to move in the order library -> hand -> stack -> battlefield -> graveyard -> exile and less often backwards, which is a form of this < 1486149172 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486149431 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486149513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do the ante zone and command zone fit into this? < 1486149518 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486149844 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486149961 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486150858 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486150993 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric : < 1486150996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151203 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151426 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486151475 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151771 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's javascript and coffeescript, but no lattescript or mochascript or cappucinoscript < 1486151779 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FSM < 1486151780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An FSM is a state machine with noodly appendages. < 1486151789 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Quit: Quit requested by iczero: ok actually update node < 1486151815 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151831 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what about mate script < 1486151864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( G'day, World! ) < 1486151932 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking of the beverage made with yerba < 1486151944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1486151945 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Client Quit < 1486151963 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152272 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486152288 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152429 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486152448 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152487 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :[iczero] < 1486152574 0 :[iczero]!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486152671 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1486152686 0 :[[[[[[[[[[[[[!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1486152693 0 :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]] < 1486152712 0 :[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[ohai]]]]] < 1486152716 0 :[[[[[[[ohai]]]]]!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486153388 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486153455 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering why freenode has these long timeouts, more infrequent timer interrupts or is it so that if someone is on flaky wifi isnt spamming channels with join and quit messages? < 1486153521 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153552 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest98467 < 1486153559 0 :Guest98467!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486153578 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153706 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153965 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I often have a flaky connectoin and reach really high timeouts withotu disconnecting < 1486154594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for LIFI to become commercial < 1486154730 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155025 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what is that? < 1486155276 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :optical wireless < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155636 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that you have a blinking LED that blinks so fast it transmits the internet into your computer < 1486155728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one internet? < 1486155772 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much internet as needed < 1486155790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1486155804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: internets have a tendency to get connected to each other, which makes them just a single internet again < 1486155807 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's only one really big one < 1486155886 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke.gif < 1486155905 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one internet though (the other large ones tend to be military) < 1486156358 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486156420 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fancy hacky optical point-to-point network thing. < 1486156430 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486156434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ronja.twibright.com/ < 1486156660 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just something appealing of having a BEAM of DATA. < 1486156669 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486156694 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486157126 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use a single-file key/value database where the keys are 32-bit numbers and the values are arbitrary binary data, in a way which is suitable for both reading and writing but mostly for reading. < 1486157719 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486159765 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486160669 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486161204 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486161395 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6bam6rp5jhio.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486161965 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486162369 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the value can be limited to for eixample, 1 KB, then you can use a 4 TB sparse file < 1486162496 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use lseek64(fildes, key * 1024, SEEK_SET); and then read the value < 1486162559 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this may be considered a heinous abuse of a file system < 1486162670 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486162795 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to use sparse files. < 1486163007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, a simple and easy method would be to use SQLite < 1486163044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why single-file? < 1486163078 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486163129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a SQLite database is a single file < 1486163679 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486163944 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486165576 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486165725 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486165791 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486166102 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486166171 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486166387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have collected chess symbols for all the pieces from orwell chess; they can be printed and pasted on checkers pieces to make a physical set https://www.docdroid.net/dc9snGI/printable.pdf.html < 1486166788 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486167338 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486167624 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486168024 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486168652 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486169205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486170110 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486170110 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486170110 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486170133 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486170580 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fboyxgnwpckkonzc QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486170779 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nmayknvwrhwnxdhz JOIN :#esoteric < 1486171435 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486172820 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486173036 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The program is not written in C though; it is JavaScript < 1486173069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format used by SQLite4 may do, but I do not have the implementation in JavaScript < 1486173086 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a version 4 of sqlite? < 1486173105 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Website just lists 3 I think... < 1486173173 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is; version 4 uses a key/value storage as a backend storage format, where the key and value are both binary data. However I only needed a number as the key and not arbitrary data. < 1486173270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with a format that supports arbitrary data as the key? < 1486173299 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly, is overdoing for my purpose. < 1486173361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is sqlite4's key-value database good? < 1486173386 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it's faster than LevelDB but they don't say for what. For everything? < 1486173387 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know actually < 1486173397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used it < 1486174275 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally haven't seen any discussion of esoteric languages since i first joined this channel < 1486174416 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should talk here, otherwise people forget I exist < 1486174425 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :krok_: it happens sometimes < 1486174432 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it once or twice. I've been here for years < 1486174440 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :krok_: We don't always have, but if you have question about them, you can ask < 1486174456 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks < 1486175229 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really ought to post my language somewhere so I can add it to the Wiki and have a source... < 1486175659 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486175825 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486175877 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486177507 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486177571 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486177686 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though the MtG stuff was esoteric-related < 1486178033 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfw an entire evening of coding amounts to figuring out how to get the compiler installed < 1486178039 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, cabal < 1486179123 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486179692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Urbanangel 5* 10New user account < 1486181668 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486181710 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486181822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50833&oldid=50824 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (+204) 10/* Introductions */ < 1486181834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50834 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (+1400) 10Created page with "=== How it works === There are two variables, known as variable1 and variable2. You change these to manipulate code, output ASCII characters and change your position in the co..." < 1486181852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50835&oldid=50834 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */ < 1486181866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50836&oldid=50835 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */ < 1486181895 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486181946 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50837&oldid=50836 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (-4) 10/* Hello World */ < 1486181954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50838&oldid=50837 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (+1) 10/* Hello World */ < 1486181995 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50839&oldid=50838 5* 03Urbanangel 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ < 1486183233 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486184562 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486184921 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486187197 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:e46e:6b61:e549:97cb JOIN :#esoteric < 1486187465 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:e46e:6b61:e549:97cb QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486190011 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486190185 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486190529 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486191956 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486192593 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486192971 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I have a set of exactly 4 values. would it be faster to call qsort or to do some fixed set of compare and swaps < 1486193038 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, at what fixed array size does it become faster to call a sort function than to do some fixed set of < 1486193058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a[i]>a[j])swap(a,i,j); < 1486193071 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :statements < 1486193106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort 4 values with 5 compare swaps < 1486193332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about 6 < 1486193459 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486193493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_network hth < 1486193573 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort is a generic function < 1486193593 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never faster than any alternative < 1486193617 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling an indirect function instead of cmp is too expensive < 1486193882 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ok, but at what point does a sorting network become less efficient than an algorithm where ther sequence of comparisons is not fixed? < 1486193902 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks for the pointer < 1486194045 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486194331 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486195579 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486195817 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486197223 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort may be faster if the program runs for less time than the programmer spent writing it < 1486197733 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486198017 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486199163 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486201899 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486203297 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486205008 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486205261 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486206066 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486208257 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jkukvtsovdbcntuq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486208672 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486209477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486209477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486209477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486209562 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486209817 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486210033 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1486210034 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is AАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑ < 1486210043 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is n9y25ah7 < 1486210045 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is n9y25ah7 < 1486210201 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486210267 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486210496 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486211029 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486211359 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486212281 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486213109 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486213217 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkwbrhvxfijtcqif JOIN :#esoteric < 1486213789 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nmayknvwrhwnxdhz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486213979 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-axvxmpfkjdrlfrpq JOIN :#esoteric < 1486214531 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486215117 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486215200 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486215288 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486215290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maple//Maples are the sacred trees of Canada, from which a true Canadian can make anything. < 1486215293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Aqenbpuu. < 1486215295 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO! < 1486215318 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always liked maples < 1486215320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You don't have to be that happy it was about Canada. < 1486215341 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HackEgo is alive! < 1486215379 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm sure we can have two potms for a good cause < 1486215921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1486215922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1486215980 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486216082 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486216305 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486216339 0 :Arif1!~Fujitsu@103.29.124.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486216350 0 :Arif1!~Fujitsu@103.29.124.21 PART #esoteric : < 1486217301 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486217479 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome VisualizeR < 1486217481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06VisualizeR: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1486217520 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily, thanks for having me. < 1486218166 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so polite < 1486218169 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help! < 1486218169 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not running os x, you don't ever *have* to do that. < 1486218552 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualizeR: what brings you here? do you like esolanging? what is your stance about roast beef? < 1486218625 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing games, so I'm an artist. but I figured this is more about programming which I'm not so good at. roast beef is fine once in a month but I wouldn't want to have it any day. < 1486218678 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! yes, this is about programming, at least the moments it is about programming... < 1486218722 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yeah its always good to tunnel and come back some place and socialize, right? < 1486218826 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just set up freenode and the user count in the list was promising. so..is this about esoterics or not? and if so how is it connected to order information? does it help to shape benefitial thought patterns? what is the goal? < 1486218975 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming is fringe programming. it is exploring the limits of its meaning through creativity, poetry, absurdity and mental ankle sprains. < 1486219080 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware of what esoterics is but I don't see how that helps in developing an efficient language. a coder might understand a side joke you put in there on purpose, but the computer running it doesn't. < 1486219217 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't usually care about efficiency, just possibility. of course we sometimes discuss about regular languages. < 1486219300 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few mathematicians in this channel, a bunch of software developers, many bots, one cyborg, and fungot. < 1486219301 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would need bindings to c++ and see what happens? did you try to index it out of two apples, a roll of string and a piece of functional perl: perl -e ' print &&sub my f shift; return sub my n shift; return 1 if n 2; return &&f(f)(n-1) &&f(f)(n-2); )(8), " deep copies" and " after < 1486219326 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1486219386 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualizeR: esolangs are games in some sense < 1486219397 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I suspect boily's better at spraining ankles than most ) < 1486219460 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for Esoteric Mentalism | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1486219475 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pun < 1486219476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1486219493 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, you're meta philosophising about how it should be and how to get there. in order to make possibilities graspable I'd always try to visualize them. So personally I think visual coding is the best way to achieve permutations when you already set up a system. the end user should be able to operate it at will and create them. < 1486219600 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait, a cyborg? < 1486219666 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi. < 1486219684 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1486219684 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1486219695 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems broken. < 1486219705 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, absent really :) < 1486219728 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still need a spider who talks about endoskeletons ( https://xkcd.com/1530/ ) < 1486219757 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? golf < 1486219758 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf is the shortest game known. The goal is to get a ball into a hole with a single stroke. < 1486219858 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically correct < 1486219869 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I thought about this recently and it occured to me that programming can be seen as just "instructing machines to take information from one abstract place, transform it and then put it in another abstract place" < 1486219913 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your point being? < 1486219936 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are no constraints on the form of information and the machines at all < 1486219978 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup basically like ribosomes copying snippets of dna to form proteins, translation and transcription < 1486220002 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486220030 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, yes < 1486220043 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486220203 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc52:d3a:d892:70ac JOIN :#esoteric < 1486220357 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, visual programming is just another notation that helps people to think about what goes where and how the computation looks like < 1486220387 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are machines all the way down < 1486220441 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just tools that compute faster < 1486220511 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do that without any special "visual language" < 1486220537 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a modular system that allows for combinations is the best system to have in my eyes. sure it only involves everything within system, bus this is why you need to made sure it has support for extentions. < 1486220570 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general user doesn't know about coding, they're used to moving a mouse and clicking stuff < 1486220655 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming is about that: transforming functions into other functions, and composing those functions together. it lends pretty well to visual and dataflow programming. < 1486220657 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about better ways to teach kids programming right from the start because it can help them way better in the world we're heading to. < 1486220696 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Lego NXT is the best effort out there to engage the next generation with programming. < 1486220754 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional < 1486220787 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486220832 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like minecraft, especially the tech mods < 1486220864 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5mQxX-Zd0 I'm thinking about this game called codespells. they did it very well < 1486220904 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great stuff, it can teach you how to design scalable, distributed systems without ever mentioning it < 1486221005 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with visual programming systems, such as puredata, is that eventually you end up with an unholy mess of wires < 1486221084 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually they don't implement any kind of metaprogramming facilities < 1486221169 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this regular capsuling of scripts? < 1486221170 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard to visualise because it suddenly needs more dimensions < 1486221197 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's one dimension < 1486221259 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how about having a block that can transform and spawn given subgraps and is programmed visually itself? < 1486221310 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply open up another type of scripts for every within that subsystem < 1486221331 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*object < 1486221379 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486221461 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that would be enough to go meta < 1486221656 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be self-sustaining, be relevant as a program and on top of that it can influence society. that is the meta level, so there needs to be hubs on each section branching to the subsystems depending on the desired content < 1486221671 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the kids... there should be something like "SICP for kids" < 1486221722 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://landoflisp.com/ ? < 1486221750 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486221760 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486221778 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeaaahhh but without mentioning LISP < 1486221872 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uh, teaching youngsters about computation without imposing any particular programming system < 1486221933 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this kind of thinking isn't much harder to learn than algebra < 1486221965 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives you something that laymen see as a superpower < 1486222001 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell machines what to do and use them to make changes in the world < 1486222043 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1486222047 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486222225 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think the biggest problem nowadays is we have too much freedom on one hand and too little of it on the other. it would require teaching them why it is beneficial. it needs something like an entry drug and games are perfect for that. this is about having one option or many to choose from and most people stick to one thing after they have found "their" thing. < 1486222339 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you talk to people about why they should use this particular language you use and why they should too this is like talknig about religion or other products. our personal view biases us into limiting our own view. we like to go to the biggest system around and simply go with it. I know this doesn't apply to you guys. < 1486222343 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that it is free will if people choose to have one or many options < 1486222368 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486222899 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486223048 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486223619 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think visual programming is great for domain specific things. < 1486223680 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1486223686 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty in programming is not the way you do it. < 1486223694 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's a graphical language or a non-graphical one < 1486223705 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A for loop is a for loop. < 1486223796 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who decides that the logic used within is the best there is? < 1486223898 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/snRrxLzj <- there < 1486223906 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the transcript from the codespells video < 1486223918 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside that there are no blue, pink, green boxes around the text < 1486223921 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally the same thing. < 1486223959 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a fancier way of displaying text. < 1486223962 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it. < 1486224010 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is exactly what is needed ^^ synesthetics help to differentiate content < 1486224026 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*synaesthesia < 1486224049 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualizeR: people who write compilers and core libraries decide what is, within a given programming language, the Best Way To Do Things™. < 1486224073 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally understood what you mean tho, the logic is the same but the presentation differs < 1486224076 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what boily said < 1486224085 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't decide what language to use on the language. < 1486224094 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decide it on the language's ecosystems. < 1486224114 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most languages are pretty much the same, same powerful so language differences are mostly completely irrelevant. < 1486224117 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semantic of what you write is independent of the actual physical process that happens in your machine. what mroman said: a for loop is a for loop. < 1486224129 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real constraints anymore are memory management and type safety < 1486224176 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're like different tools, each one is best for a specific task < 1486224188 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages? < 1486224189 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1486224207 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can translate pretty much any language easily into any other language < 1486224216 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily translate perl to python, python to ruby, ruby to php < 1486224218 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem. < 1486224247 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all mainstream languages are (almost) mathematically equivalent. it's just the subjective ease you can describe a task in a programming language that will differ from another one. < 1486224252 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is best for the ecosystem then? < 1486224264 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these languages are mostly only different in syntax < 1486224270 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syntax is easy to "translate" < 1486224273 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep got that < 1486224295 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that you can't translate library calls because they don't have the same libraries. < 1486224316 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes some languages more efficient in certain tasks, right? < 1486224340 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to be fair they have different OOP so some edge-cases are probably a bit harder to translate < 1486224342 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're always building upon previous work. a task may be easier in one language because some guy did the grunt work for you. < 1486224359 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these details aren't really what you decide on which languages you should use. < 1486224370 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people use PHP for webdev? < 1486224375 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simple. < 1486224381 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's installed everywhere on free hosters. < 1486224383 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486224387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc52:d3a:d892:70ac PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't know about javascript < 1486224398 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people use javascript for webdev? < 1486224403 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no other language available. < 1486224419 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486224440 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people mostly use python because it has a HUGE set of packages available < 1486224493 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good ecosystem means < 1486224510 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.) lots of packages b.) lots of bindings to c libraries (such as gtk, databases, etc. etc.) < 1486224541 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In python i can do import rest; rest.call('/method', blurks); < 1486224552 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not because of python it's because somebody took the time to write a nice package < 1486224563 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell I'd probably have to set up http requests manually and stuff like that < 1486224574 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the most important part are those core libraries which define the functions the language will have. it probably is a child of the time and can't possibily fit any future needs, right? so it is about keeping it alive and up to date. < 1486224579 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I just want to do some rest request I'll probably use python, even though I don't like python as a language. < 1486224621 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualizeR: core libraries are in constant fluctuation. active development is perpetual, to fix security bugs, add new features, optimize stuff... < 1486224625 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the prof. java/js scene it's more about frameworks even < 1486224630 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't look for a javascript developer < 1486224631 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1486224637 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look for somebody who knows angular < 1486224644 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever your company is using. < 1486224661 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java it's the same < 1486224666 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guice, spring .... < 1486224681 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486224730 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give a kid a visual programming IDE < 1486224738 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't write a dijkstra in it < 1486224740 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486224762 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the kid knows shit about algorithms and math and science < 1486224809 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly this is why a game is good, it can see the strength of the avatar change with the numbers < 1486224817 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only point I could agree on is that visual programming might make kids more motivitated to code < 1486224823 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not because it makes it any easier or different < 1486224830 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because it looks more interesting to little kids < 1486224837 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, I agree < 1486224839 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's presented in colours. < 1486224868 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS presents this program in colour. < 1486224880 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1486224907 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about how red eye correction works < 1486224919 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you give me a function "red-eye-correction(Image img);" I can do it < 1486224993 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1486225030 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existence of that function is much more important than the language. < 1486225041 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IDE < 1486225043 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or editor < 1486225044 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather in need of procedual textures combined with procedual music and a detection of the music the manipulate the textures and animations with < 1486225044 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1486225054 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1486225193 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you can teach people to write apps < 1486225207 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without teaching them anything about algorithms and stuff < 1486225210 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to know < 1486225257 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good. I don't oppose that. but I still think anything related to visual programming is too hyped < 1486225295 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people used vb6 because it had an UI to write GUI code. < 1486225321 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a useful application of "visual programming" but it's very domain specific. < 1486225344 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you initially said < 1486225395 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's also a good use is to have some model you can visually create and then write codegenerators for that < 1486225412 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIRO or whatever that was called < 1486225427 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can describe state machines in that, then generate the code for it. < 1486225444 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you only need to write code to read/write from pins/io ports manually < 1486225452 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. used for embedded systems < 1486225476 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a good application for "visual programming" but also domain specific as it's limited to state machines and i/o systems < 1486225619 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486225668 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I think video games are a goodthing. < 1486225670 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh. < 1486225682 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably the only computer scientist that actually hates most of the computer related stuff :D < 1486225695 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like facebook < 1486225697 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or video games < 1486225703 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or social media sites < 1486225707 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except IRC of course. < 1486225717 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is great. It's true. Best chat in the world. < 1486225748 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dating apps < 1486225750 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you know that there are offline video games that you can play all by yourself in your own time, no pressure? < 1486225761 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate computers too < 1486225770 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline games are fine iff they have splitscreen. < 1486225774 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like to care about them as machines < 1486225793 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dating apps is a pretty bad invention. < 1486225795 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are nice as long as they work < 1486225806 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it benefits everybody but it actually doesn't. < 1486225819 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they're also fun to trouble-shoot, but basically only when I don't actually urgently need them < 1486225819 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they should work and it's technicians' job to tend to them < 1486225831 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and software is mostly crap < 1486225837 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OS are mostly crap too < 1486225841 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a security perspective < 1486225853 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the solution to the software problem has been to write more software < 1486225857 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :find the mistake. < 1486225870 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is < 1486225871 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need built-in "selinux" stuff in your OS < 1486225874 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can talk about security < 1486225875 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise < 1486225878 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1486225897 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :selinux? < 1486225904 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this field is so vast, you can zoom in and out, circle the globe and read everything < 1486225911 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know... very fine grained ACL for processes, users, file systems etc. < 1486225912 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ASLR is the only "security" feature that's really in use here... < 1486225939 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still can't have a consistent idea about how everything works < 1486225941 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm vaguely aware, I think is a fair description. < 1486225946 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /home/$USER < 1486225961 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: *poof* < 1486225968 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can send a windows guy a bat file del /S %HOME%/Documents < 1486225971 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he double clicks it < 1486225972 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's fucked < 1486225981 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how good security is on modern operating systems. < 1486225987 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does / work for \ there? < 1486225993 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1486225994 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486226000 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my admin days are behind me < 1486226015 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in some cases < 1486226032 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably python/java secretly translating / to \ < 1486226041 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I encountered http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ these days, fun to read. < 1486226058 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a bug in Word.exe < 1486226061 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can delete all your documents < 1486226065 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't call that security. < 1486226081 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have talked with people at work about how to solve the problem < 1486226089 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just laughed at me and told me "It'll never happen" < 1486226093 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess they are right. < 1486226101 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no money in security apparentely < 1486226112 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1486226118 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's money in selling AV products < 1486226125 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486226127 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1486226129 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a crappy solution to the problem. < 1486226140 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a solution < 1486226143 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just crap. < 1486226153 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the times when you got a CIH on a floppy with pirated game and it fried your motherboard < 1486226162 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been bragging about heuristics for 10 years now < 1486226163 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were the viruses < 1486226164 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even more < 1486226171 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.) it doesn't work < 1486226176 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b.) even if it would: it's a crappy solution. < 1486226182 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays it's just spyware, ransomware and crapware < 1486226188 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting < 1486226214 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want fine grained permissions per process and user etc. < 1486226222 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and software needs to drop privileges < 1486226228 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only working with minimal privileges. < 1486226236 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you? < 1486226243 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you open word foo.doc < 1486226244 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means more management < 1486226253 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to drop all privileges except to that file < 1486226258 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I what? < 1486226263 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No OS currently supports this. < 1486226270 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< mroman> I want fine grained permissions per process and user etc. < 1486226273 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/disable-your-antivirus-software-except.html was another nice article; https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/03/security_threat_solutions/?mt=1486125905262 is also relevant. < 1486226277 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want that yes. < 1486226288 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look like in practice? < 1486226295 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means you gonna have to start from scratch and design an OS with security in mind SINCE THE START. < 1486226315 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: a.) you configure what parts of the filesystem a process can even see etc. < 1486226318 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fine grained. < 1486226323 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have security contexts < 1486226330 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can narrow a securyt contexts < 1486226333 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one day some smart kid will crack even this < 1486226384 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you're right in principle, but a key question is how to make all this usable and understandable for laypeople. < 1486226387 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hmm.. design an OS with security in mind from the start? Have you heard about capros? < 1486226407 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just catching up. < 1486226429 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well the problem is I don't give a fuck about laypeople. < 1486226432 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about unikernels? maybe just box up every application < 1486226433 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess a lot could be done by versioned file systems that allow people to go back in time?) < 1486226436 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If software developers would do a better job it would work < 1486226444 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run them in a hypervisor < 1486226444 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they do a crappy job then FUCK them. < 1486226459 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is quite different from what you're suggesting, of course) < 1486226463 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at all the crappy windows installers out there and shit. < 1486226478 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they still exist? < 1486226487 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps executing programs should be a more privileged operation... < 1486226537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically most of the programs are written for embedded devices (which we're just starting to perceive as an attack surface) and consumer devices (which are sold by usability, not security)... we're, essentially, doomed. < 1486226540 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last time I've used windows was in 2008) < 1486226583 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/pbo1ADdF <- like that < 1486226588 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security contexts are like stacks or something < 1486226594 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always drop privileges < 1486226602 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and regain them later using a regain token < 1486226620 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can ask for more privileges at which point the OS will ask the user whether this is ok < 1486226622 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like that. < 1486226635 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: depends on the level of complexity of the embedded SOC. Just using an ARM with a Windows CE or such is not allowed to be primary control in an say a milling machine. < 1486226640 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.) you need to configure the MAXIMUM security context for a process/user < 1486226654 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b.) software needs to drop and regain privileges as necessary. < 1486226667 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want to put middlewares on syscalls? < 1486226670 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: congrats you just reinvented the "Mother may I?" problem that plaques systems such as seLinux < 1486226683 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: XD < 1486226697 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: What do you mean by that? < 1486226720 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linux is crap anyway < 1486226724 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to heterogenous. < 1486226726 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is part of rather long lived discussion group that has thought and written extensively about these matters. < 1486226746 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean the distros. < 1486226788 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped worrying and learned to love OS X because it doesn't need anything from me and I just want emacs < 1486226799 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the "Mother may I?" problem? basically from your utterence of the phrase "at which point the OS will ask the user whether this is ok" < 1486226860 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's not really a way to avoid that. < 1486226871 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there not hmm? < 1486226886 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the user decides what software can access which parts of his stuff. < 1486226893 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1486226899 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about "dont seperate designation and authority" for a bit and what that could mean < 1486226901 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hide lots of this from the user < 1486226907 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example with filechooserdialogues < 1486226914 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which grant implicit permissions to the file you selected < 1486226922 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the user doesn't even know that this was a security feature < 1486226935 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :does filechooserdialogues return an filehandle instead of just a path string? < 1486226946 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that it's an OS dialogue < 1486226951 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one from the software < 1486226961 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> PID 1234 at 0x0800000800012f wants to call sysapi_mgvgtbf2 to and will touch "/saou/ajsihaois/annsuoanus/tmp/asu_2872983323/f2f2ff2f201-c.ggg". [GO AHEAD] [NOPE] < 1486226964 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1486226964 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data constructor not in scope: < 1486226964 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID < 1486226971 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this < 1486226974 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 times a second < 1486226982 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hmm.. basically an instance of an pattern called PowerBox < 1486227055 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you nailed it < 1486227117 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: and? < 1486227126 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 times a second < 1486227130 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1486227137 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the software is crap < 1486227140 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your config is wrong. < 1486227141 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your computer is useless < 1486227160 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad idea that all processes have the same /tmp anyway < 1486227178 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : then the software is crap <--- I thought that was one of the premises < 1486227191 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could install a hand crank on it as well < 1486227207 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use an abstraction layer for the fs < 1486227211 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :process only see a virtual filesystem < 1486227216 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can map stuff into that < 1486227226 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like map /tmp/httpd /tmp < 1486227228 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO this is not a good idea for consumer grade computing < 1486227232 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so httpd has a /tmp < 1486227242 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is on the physical fs in /tmp/httpd < 1486227244 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1486227248 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be quite cool for embedded/process control < 1486227267 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you set up everything and just run stuff for a long periods of time < 1486227316 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need strict guidelines < 1486227324 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software developers will need to follow these or gtfo < 1486227333 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a very homogenous environment < 1486227349 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not shitty ideas like "we call it apache2 in this distro, we call it httpd in this distro" < 1486227350 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1486227356 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have multiple distros at all :p < 1486227379 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the future, NaziOS is here < 1486227394 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a radical person. < 1486227395 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486227401 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security has it's price. < 1486227404 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1486227407 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1486227432 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have such an OS < 1486227436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump Linux < 1486227436 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such strict guidelines < 1486227449 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the software devs will also ship configuration files for their software < 1486227453 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1486227456 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1486227460 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you would have sewindows < 1486227467 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need months to configure it properly < 1486227475 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1486227484 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd have to write config files for every single process etc. < 1486227489 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because software devs don't ship one < 1486227504 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because their software probably does more than they want to admit < 1486227508 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a fun one... what is the security model of systemd? < 1486227510 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like calling home and stuff. < 1486227528 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my opinion on that is FUCK those software then. < 1486227560 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about systemd internals to answer that. < 1486227570 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's quite sophisticated permission system in Android < 1486227589 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can grant and revoke access to various APIs for each app < 1486227598 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people still click OK < 1486227605 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't even read that stuff < 1486227606 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's a step in the right direction, yes. < 1486227615 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes because if you need the software then you click OK < 1486227616 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1486227618 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1486227624 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't protect a user from disabling security < 1486227634 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that shouldn't be a reason to NOT implement security. < 1486227641 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can revoke some rights of any app at any time < 1486227649 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it starts nagging you < 1486227657 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :setenforce 0 < 1486227658 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gg. < 1486227685 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh you just want to take a picture? the camera app has no access to the camera, go to settings and enable" < 1486227711 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to pressure software devs into writing good nice software < 1486227766 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how this can be done. < 1486227838 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think selling crap should be illegal :) < 1486227840 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source gets ripped off each time they push the limits < 1486227841 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's justme. < 1486227890 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1486227899 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think software needs warranty laws like regular products. < 1486227921 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your software has defects, you should be legally obliged to fix those < 1486227928 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with any other non-software product. < 1486227984 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you do it commercially < 1486227990 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would mean a permanent internet connection and feedback with their server to ensure everything is within time limits < 1486228052 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess why they digitalize the industries, it still is a law free zone or lets say there are a lot of grey zones < 1486228147 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next stop transhumanism, posthumanism after that < 1486228180 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the technology is in us we're a lot better to control and keep track of < 1486228244 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are bad at solving problems < 1486228246 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my impression. < 1486228267 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they like to talk about problems more than talking about solving problems :) < 1486228377 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no one better < 1486228412 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1486228470 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[at solving problems] < 1486228502 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still don't follow. < 1486228649 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it seems that they aren't even aware of the options they have. < 1486228663 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in switzerland citizens have the power to change laws. < 1486228664 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1486228671 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a law is still in place after complaining for years about it < 1486228693 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this means to me that everybody likes to complain about it, but nobody actually wants to change it. < 1486228704 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everybody is just bullshitting. < 1486228718 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's worse when it's the other way round < 1486228759 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people are pissed off and protesting but government does not listen and keeps doing the opposite to what people want < 1486228802 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a bad political system then :) < 1486228822 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you're talking about a purely hypothetical scenario of course < 1486228835 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely :P < 1486228860 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a silent "Trump" there < 1486228892 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "I do things" attitude. < 1486228897 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't necessarily like what he's up to < 1486228907 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what he's up to. < 1486228919 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that ban of 7 countries < 1486228929 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only thing you really read about in newspapers in switzerland. < 1486228942 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised by Trump, I've had samples of this stuff since last winter < 1486228965 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!" -- Trump < 1486228981 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, samples of that as well < 1486228982 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know too much about the US system :( < 1486228983 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1486228985 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :executive orders? < 1486228989 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like legislative < 1486229008 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. why the f*ck does the president have legislative rights? < 1486229063 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"l'état, c'est moi" -- Louis XIV < 1486229068 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486229074 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a totally random association < 1486229092 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah, this is hardcore < 1486229107 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: technically his decrees cannot go against existing law < 1486229129 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so again, *technically*, you could argue that he has no legislative powers. < 1486229133 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you get a proesident that's in the pocket of the ruling party and paralyzed constitutional court < 1486229138 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the same thing < 1486229165 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically though... he has a crazy amount of power, also because he can fire important people, veto laws and the like < 1486229200 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :checks and balances... < 1486229251 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :president can fire people < 1486229254 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've read an analysis of that recently, but where... basically the conclusion was that the rights of the president was established with the underlying idea that only decent human beings would ever attain that office. < 1486229255 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mistake number two :) < 1486229283 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he will do next is to convince his electorate that checks and balances are bad and set up by the previous team to impede on making the country great < 1486229308 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attempt to dismantle them < 1486229361 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just ignore them < 1486229415 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it happening :| < 1486229428 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Trump will still like cheques. < 1486229504 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another article all but suggested that Trump has a record to beat: Hitler took 5 months from assuming office as chancellor of the Weimar Republic to essentially total power over the state...) < 1486229670 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do I need to do to get a swiss visa? < 1486229730 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need a swiss visa for? < 1486229748 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get a work permit and stay < 1486229750 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486229767 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1486229773 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make vacation here < 1486229774 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stay < 1486229792 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( bring money ) < 1486229815 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bring lots of gold < 1486229818 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we like gold < 1486229820 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so shiny < 1486229840 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :countries generally have nothing against rich immigrants < 1486229846 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only against poor immigrants :) < 1486229854 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, I'm calling Google Geneva office < 1486229855 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1486229858 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and muslims < 1486229864 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? apt < 1486229865 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486229869 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muslims and poor people < 1486229888 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe germans < 1486229895 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans are like arch enemies < 1486229898 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason < 1486229900 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, HTH is also a brand of kitchens < 1486229925 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because they talk in a funny language :p < 1486229927 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn APT is a technical term in cyber witchcraft, short for "adequate pernicious toe-rags". < 1486229929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'apt': APT is a technical term in cyber witchcraft, short for "adequate pernicious toe-rags". < 1486229960 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "adequate pernicious toe-rags" < 1486229961 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/03/security_threat_solutions/ < 1486229965 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though so. < 1486229972 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never heard about discrimination against rich english people < 1486229981 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as money is always welcome < 1486229990 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll even get tax discounts as a rich foreigner. < 1486229999 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common practice. < 1486230003 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Hail the Toe Of Everything! < 1486230020 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1486230025 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that everyone in switzerland is more or less well off < 1486230032 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well off how? < 1486230034 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with money? < 1486230040 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486230045 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1486230049 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more money is always better < 1486230051 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: every country needs slaves ;) < 1486230054 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1486230065 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are rich and move to some village in switzerland < 1486230078 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you only have to pay half the amount a swiss would have to pay in taxes < 1486230087 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no country "needs" slaves, it is just comfortable to have them < 1486230088 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your new neighbours will vote if they want you there :D < 1486230088 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still going to be a good income < 1486230099 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the village can buy a new school < 1486230101 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1486230102 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486230104 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualizeR: what are you, socialist or communist ;) < 1486230106 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaven is a real place on earth, you're just too poor to live in it < 1486230126 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :power to the people < 1486230135 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kidding mostly... also out of my depth < 1486230141 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should read Marx. < 1486230198 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :money equals happiness < 1486230203 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if you have A LOT of it < 1486230213 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 Mio. isn't enough) < 1486230219 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it does not < 1486230221 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're always wanting to simply accept the biggest system there is but this way we give away our power to share information collectively. that is basically the msg of the aliens, the 1% are the alienated ones and they started a class war. < 1486230223 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up Notch < 1486230229 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's miserable < 1486230250 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"money cannot buy happiness but it sure keeps the family in touch" < 1486230269 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my view on it is that we're all playing a game < 1486230269 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paraphrased, no clue what the source was) < 1486230274 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and money is a score < 1486230280 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the score* < 1486230307 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1486230308 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this game gets slightly easier for high scoring players < 1486230312 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :family is the score < 1486230314 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion < 1486230315 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly? < 1486230319 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but money can buy you family. < 1486230328 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: slightly, unless you're in the top ten < 1486230351 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with money I could afford plastic surgery < 1486230355 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of plastic surgery. < 1486230389 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cheated and got a lovely wife without using any money ;> < 1486230404 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky bastard :( < 1486230428 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a 0/10. Makes dating incredibly hard. < 1486230448 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to think the same < 1486230451 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's hope < 1486230451 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/10 on the revised scale < 1486230456 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the traditional scale < 1486230462 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional scale is useless. < 1486230474 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like grades < 1486230494 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter if you fail with a 1,2,3, or 3.9 (you fail if grade < 4.0) < 1486230510 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail is fail. < 1486230518 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only grades that actually matter are 4 to 6. < 1486230566 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but grades don't count in the game < 1486230575 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not "thinking" that < 1486230575 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is about score and staying sane < 1486230580 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have hard data on that. < 1486231129 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you? < 1486231271 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and /s/l < 1486231292 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are known < 1486231336 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the order is important < 1486231367 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gingersoftware.com/content/grammar-rules/adjectives/order-of-adjectives/ < 1486231375 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1486231613 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 < 1486231637 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l? < 1486231639 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language? < 1486231664 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486231676 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :location. < 1486231681 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purpose or qualifier < 1486231761 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1486231793 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l/purpose or qualifier < 1486231862 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to do some chores that turned out to be more time consuming than he thought < 1486231937 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486232636 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need pictures too? < 1486232724 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1486232746 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1486232771 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1486233082 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bax3n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50840&oldid=50630 5* 03Bax3n 5* (-24) 10 < 1486233476 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: PILL CHICKEn < 1486234072 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a public youtube channel anyway. < 1486234079 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my face isn't exactly secret :) < 1486234471 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can watch my precious cooking skills. < 1486234606 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link to your wishlist ;) < 1486234620 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishlist? < 1486234696 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486234791 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can document Burlesque for me < 1486234798 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on my whishlist. < 1486234886 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can review Cabaret if you like < 1486234927 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/burlesque/docs/BLSQ.html <- needs a lot of work < 1486234931 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly incomplete < 1486234979 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1486235152 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh. < 1486235168 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not even a 100 builtins documented < 1486235168 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1486235171 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are 400 of those < 1486235178 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486235236 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486235295 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486235305 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486235307 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486235579 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486235609 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486235982 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got the best Fibonacci program there is. < 1486236147 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1486237163 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486237822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486237833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486237863 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486237886 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest24490 < 1486238034 0 :Guest24490!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1486238106 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486240145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486240277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/password < 1486240278 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 38 Feb 4 12:07 wisdom/password < 1486240282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1486240287 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1486240287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is n9y25ah7 < 1486240303 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1486240304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10206:2017-02-04 learn The password of the month is n9y25ah7 \ 10065:2017-01-01 learn The password of the month is A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91A\xd0\x90\xce\x91 \ 9816:2016-12-02 revert \ 9815:2016-12-02 undo -2 \ 9813:2016-12-02 learn The password of th < 1486240418 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486240423 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what does the Fibonacci program look like? < 1486240477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! slashes did we have this < 1486240478 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we have this < 1486240481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1486240591 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! --help < 1486240592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/--help: not found < 1486240597 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486240609 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1486240610 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! or interp command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url ibin/ for a list. < 1486240620 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1486240621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1486240634 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the --help was, actually, helpful for me... I did remember what ibin is :) < 1486240692 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste ibin/ < 1486240692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/ibin < 1486240697 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ibin/ < 1486240698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/ibin < 1486240738 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `paste tries `url first before doing any actual copying < 1486240759 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giiiik < 1486240773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: waaat? < 1486240778 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /dev/null < 1486240778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1486240787 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it checks that... < 1486240792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url tmp/spout < 1486240793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1486240796 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know! < 1486240804 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1486240811 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1486240812 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|(?:\.hg|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ < 1486240818 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frucdsaqqdcmtgvu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486240818 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1486240821 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's (commands are) surprisingly intelligent sometimes. < 1486240824 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg ../bin/url < 1486240826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8136:2016-05-25 ` sed -i \'8s/..hg/(?:&|tmp)/\' bin/url \ 8135:2016-05-25 revert 8132 \ 8133:2016-05-25 ` sed -i \'8s/.hg/(?:.hg|tmp)/\' bin/url \ 4607:2014-04-20 sed -i \'s/hg repository/web-viewable filesystem repository/\' bin/url \ 4606:2014-04-20 sed -i \'8s!.*! if re.match(r"/|\\\\.hg( < 1486240833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth < 1486240834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :clwver < 1486240879 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: making random noises < 1486240901 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s/clever/clwver/ < 1486240901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1486240931 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, no "clever" in there :P < 1486240947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unlucky < 1486240955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you had a four-leaf clwver < 1486240995 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slashes (that's where this started, wasn't it?) shachaf with a four-leaf cleaver < 1486241028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/swrjan < 1486241029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slwd "oerjan//$1" < 1486241047 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...srsly < 1486241058 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/swrjan < 1486241061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf < 1486241079 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/shwshaf < 1486241080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/shwshaf: No such file or directory < 1486241088 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/shwchaf < 1486241089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/shwchaf: No such file or directory < 1486241111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make no sense. < 1486241113 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1486241114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. < 1486241120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :swrjan stands for something like sed wisdom oerjan < 1486241179 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Would a bell pepper with a passion be a passion fruit? And how do you feel about bell peppers without any passion? < 1486241231 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradoxically, i'd imagine shachaf doesn't think bell peppers are passionate enough < 1486241241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your reading is not supported by English grammar. < 1486241263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe mine isn't. < 1486241265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1486241278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think english grammar is appropriately ambiguous < 1486241283 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the grammar supports it, it's only the semantic level that would usually preclude this interpretation. < 1486241335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not one to comment on content. < 1486241337 0 :nal!~nal@adsl-64-237-236-126.prtc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486241340 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because passionate fruits and vegetables are so rare. < 1486241369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he hates tomatoes with an infection" < 1486241372 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's passable. < 1486241414 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( tomatoes are very passable ) < 1486241418 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's raining puns < 1486241439 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION passes int-e a slightly overripe tomato at high speed < 1486241455 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum! < 1486241547 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think this pun really works in english... I guess translating "tomato passata" as "passed tomatoes" would evoke unpleasant connotations) < 1486241577 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7c24:89d6:14be:fb2c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486241606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :puré tomato goodness < 1486241658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: goes well with a cup of kopi luwak? < 1486241689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not going to try either < 1486241735 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x55b3a100.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486241742 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486241758 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for English, I have a question. < 1486241809 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1486241816 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this short joke about the vet thinking the doctor has it easy because his patients can speak and tell him what the problem is why they went to the doctor or what symptoms they have. < 1486241884 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hungarian phrasing is: doctor: "Mi a panasza?" (which is a common thing for a doctor to asks when you go there without context), and the vet answers "Ja, úgy könnyű!" saying that the doctor has it easy. < 1486241894 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the idiomatic phrasing of that joke in English? < 1486241928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wait, what's the actual joke ) < 1486241958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you translate the hungarian bits twh < 1486242003 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mi a panasza?" means "What is your complaint?" which is how a doctor asks an adult why you came to them when he doesn't already know what the problem is < 1486242039 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ja, hát úgy könnyű!" means "Oh, it's easy that way!" or something like that < 1486242051 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1486242123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1486242170 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the joke only works well if it's short, not a long explanation, which is why I don't know how to say it in English the best. < 1486242224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The veterinarian wants to make the doctor's life harder by not answering questions. < 1486242239 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, he'll probably answer the question after that < 1486242246 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just exclaims that first < 1486242260 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in a joke but isn't stupid < 1486242270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure he exists? < 1486242275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Veterinarian was feeling ill and went to see her doctor. The doctor asked her all the usual questions: what were the symptoms, how long had they been occurring, etc. Suddenly, she interrupted him, "Hey look, I'm a vet... I don't need to ask my patients these kind of questions. I can tell what's wrong just by looking." She smugly added, "Why can't you?" < 1486242280 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The doctor nodded, stood back, looked her up and down, quickly wrote out a prescription, handed it to her and said, "There you are. Of course, if that doesn't work, we'll have to have you put to sleep." < 1486242284 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this version works for me. < 1486242319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's a different one, yes. there are multiple jokes about vets and doctors < 1486242338 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486242353 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I just have no clue how to actually deliver the information required for your story so that there's a punchline. < 1486242368 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks < 1486242401 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't remember having heard such a joke... not that this says a lot) < 1486242413 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The punchline is when one man punches the other. < 1486242423 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man took his Rottweiler to the vet and said "My dog's cross-eyed, is there anything you can do for him?" "Well," said the vet, "lets have a look at him." So he picks the dog up and has a good look at its eyes. "Hmm, not good," says the vet, "I'm going to have to put him down." < 1486242428 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The owner was stunned, "Put him down just because he's cross-eyed?" "No, because he's heavy," says the vet. < 1486242444 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the other joke I found on the way that made me chuckle, at least. it's all I have for now.) < 1486242473 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1486242487 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'm reminded of Pratchett's wisdom about horse doctors. < 1486242507 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read enough pratchett, so I don't know what that is < 1486242558 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel almost, but not entirely without esolang discussions | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1486242564 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/cWSI < 1486242573 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transformation matrix of OpenGL is confusing why is there so many? Do you know how to do it to make the simple way (so that the top left corner is (0,0) and then it goes positive by integers per pixel)? < 1486242618 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you going to do with the z coordinate? < 1486242627 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I see < 1486242648 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do not need z-coordinate probably, but I do use the depth buffer though. < 1486242737 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the z-coordinate may be usable as an additional input to the shader program; I don't know if this can work or not. < 1486242789 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486243034 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glOrtho used to be the right thing but I haven't used OpenGL in this new everything-is-a-shader age where you're responsible for so much more. < 1486243080 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly tempted to find a way to tweak the spam filter so the intro cannot be put at the start of the section < 1486243130 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has there been new spam? < 1486243132 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I can use glOrtho but what values should be specified, and what other thing is needed too? < 1486243162 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stones14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50841&oldid=50823 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-1) 10 < 1486243195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, but there have been new introductions < 1486243246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50842&oldid=50833 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10Order! < 1486243250 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just the range of coordinates you want: https://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man2/xhtml/glOrtho.xml ... that should set up things so that afterwards specifying (2D, or 3D with a z coordinate) vertex coordinates in screen space should work. < 1486243390 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then what do I need with glViewport and glMatrixMode and so on? < 1486243491 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. I guess if I were jumping through the introduction hoop, that would not cause any terrible additional annoyance provided that this is clear and near impossible to miss from the instructions. < 1486243519 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but is it worth it? do you expect people to actually read through all the introductions? I mean anyone besides yourself... < 1486243600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Silberjoder whoa < 1486243608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well they have to avoid the other pitfalls described there already, and it _does_ already say to put it on the end. < 1486243615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at < 1486243774 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: afair you need glViewPort to specify the area to be rendered to; but it sets up the transformation such that screen coordinates range from (-1,-1) (top-left, I think) to (1,1) (bottom right). So afterwards, you can use glOrtho to set up the transformation that you want without affecting the area being rendered to. But as I said before, this is outdated information. < 1486243792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the main one people seem to have trouble with is not putting in external links. < 1486243808 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess a more relevant question is whether any of the recent additions would have been rejected by such a test. < 1486243820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is also one that was put there _specifically_ to catch spammers) < 1486243852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there are less than a handful who have put it at the beginning. < 1486243870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they do seem to happen occasionally. < 1486243880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then i fix it) < 1486243909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and of course i'm mentioning this because there just was one. < 1486243911 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then how does it affect inputs to fragment programs? < 1486243953 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so put a reminder text at the start of the section. < 1486244000 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and then adding such a check seems fair to me < 1486244027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was considering that. < 1486244052 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I had to remove the check that peopel had signed correctly < 1486244056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because so many legitimate users didn't < 1486244060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really disappointing, actually < 1486244252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( making good CAPTCHAs is hard not because spammer programs are smart, but because humans are stupid ) < 1486244286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot be the first to note that. < 1486244286 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486244360 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded to https://www.xkcd.com/810/ and https://www.xkcd.com/233/ of course < 1486244420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd fail the latter, never having seen that. < 1486244435 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :810 is an approach that's too hard for humans, 233 is one that's too easy for machines < 1486244483 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a bot passed a fairly large turing-test tournament, it did so by pretending to be a ukrainian teenager < 1486244502 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which automatically caused people to give it a pass on things like bad english and no knowledge of American pop culture < 1486244525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that < 1486244573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it scott aaronson who tried it and found it easy to beat < 1486244595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in that case too, it was because humans stupid - including the judges < 1486244600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+are < 1486244627 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: 1Jq.+10!C < 1486244640 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1486244646 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cheap.int-e.eu/~burlesque/burlesque.cgi?q=1Jq.%2B46%21C < 1486244667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main conclusion was that the Turing test doesn't actually work < 1486244673 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's not a fibonacci builtin) < 1486244696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: *reminded of < 1486244719 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486244780 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486244780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1486244840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it _could_ work but (1) the judge would need to be competent (2) a passing program would need a full fake human backstory < 1486244853 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: meh, I googled a bit. AFAIU, vertex shaders convert coordinates into "normalized device coordinates" (that's a cube [-1..1]^3) with all fragments outside the range being dropped; the input to the fragment shader includes window (that is, device) coordinates of the fragment though, obtained using data from glViewPort. < 1486244893 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx < 1486244893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative < 1486244897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's making unreasonable demands of the program, unless it's only using stupid humans as judges < 1486244907 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why should Eliza not be able to pass a captcha? :P < 1486244935 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx 2>/dev/zero < 1486244936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative < 1486244940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx 2>/dev/zero < 1486244940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `dc: not found < 1486244944 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx 2>/dev/zero < 1486244944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 11349031 < 1486244945 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1486245012 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck+314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50843 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+1195) 10Created page with "Brainfuck+3 is like [[brainfuck]] but it has a bidimensional space and it has 3 more commands. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | style="text-align:c..." < 1486245046 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -ex=i=1;loop{p x+=i=x-i} < 1486245046 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1486245383 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go < 1486245406 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)fuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50844 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+452) 10Created page with "( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)fuck is a derivate of [[Brainfuck+3]] but with lenny faces. ==Commands== + ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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./dev/null # tweak < 1486245533 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 \ 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ < 1486245571 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can replace zz by 1 if you don't care about the 0 or empty stack errors) < 1486245621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ivancr7214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50846&oldid=50635 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+47) 10 < 1486245639 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need knowledge about american pop culture to be considered human? < 1486245643 0 :Guest78015!?@? NICK :L3viathan < 1486245670 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: good question, wait, there was a discussion of this < 1486245676 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find it < 1486245688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blablafuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50847&oldid=50697 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+6) 10 < 1486245704 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db40163.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486245704 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although turing test doesn't really test if you're human. < 1486245714 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon intelligent aliens would pass the test too. < 1486245725 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e1[dKp+rklxx]dsxx 2>/dev/null # actually one char less now < 1486245726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 \ 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ < 1486245874 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50848&oldid=50844 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+64) 10 < 1486245914 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :60% thought cleverbot is human < 1486245920 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is wrong with these humans. < 1486245946 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hu < 1486245953 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 63.3% of humans were identified as humans < 1486245954 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1486245983 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Out of the 334 votes cast, Cleverbot was judged to be 59.3% human, compared to the rating of 63.3% human achieved by human participants." < 1486246002 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it one of those bots that emulated a teenager? < 1486246007 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1486246016 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cleverbot.com let's you chat with it online < 1486246029 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you need more than one minute to see if it's a bot. < 1486246055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It is still confusing to me a bit. If I will use vertex program and fragment program, what do the different inputs and outputs of those programs do? < 1486246057 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face it, we cannot reliably tell fungot apart from the channel's less silicon blessed residents at all times. < 1486246057 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there are fnord < 1486246073 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fungot isn't even trying to pass itself off as human. < 1486246073 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thankfully you can click at part of the problem, so silly a redundancy < 1486246102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, what do texture coordinates do? < 1486246108 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/9ZFq88xe <- it just takes a single question < 1486246252 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/P4AjtUca <- either those humans were incredibly morons or they didn't participate with their online version in the test. < 1486246253 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/3285.html and its discussion thread http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=7411 < 1486246267 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486246272 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc52:d3a:d892:70ac QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486246274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : myndzi. <-- i think \oren\ makes a better cyborg these days. < 1486246281 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two answers are completely out of context. < 1486246300 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1486246316 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there transcripts from those turing tests available? < 1486246533 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although Cleverbot managed to score well on the Turing test, the model that did that is different from the one you’ll find online." < 1486246555 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so, because the online version is pretty dumb. < 1486246712 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is to not ask them yes/no questions. < 1486246732 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are decently good at detecting yes/no question and answer randomly with either. < 1486246789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you ask a yes/no question for which a random answer would be suspicious? < 1486246795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least half the time < 1486246803 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for which both yes and no would be bad answers < 1486246808 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1486246879 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need to reference previous things you've said. < 1486247046 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like "Lookt at my last sentence. Pick the worth word in that sentence which is a verb. Please tell me the simple past of that verb." < 1486247058 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fourth < 1486247139 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To identify a bot you need to know what a bot can't. < 1486247160 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask people to identify a bot who don't know how bot works < 1486247169 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: f*ck you I'm not doing your grammar homework for you! < 1486247170 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chances are much higher that they'll think it's not a bot. < 1486247170 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486247174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: thought you put in the misspellings on purpose :P < 1486247208 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. It's kinda funny but these things happen all the time to me. < 1486247218 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write stuff "pseudo-phonetically" < 1486247227 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has met actual humans that fail parts of the turing test < 1486247241 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym sudo-foneticly hth < 1486247263 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: itym < 1486247267 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? worth is pseudo-phonetical? < 1486247279 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda. < 1486247284 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reading: ity[are]m) < 1486247285 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also write does <-> those < 1486247289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't pseudo-phonetical when you write sign instead of sine? < 1486247313 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands int-e his evil overlord card < 1486247314 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's late. Gonna hit the hay. < 1486247326 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it bite? < 1486247343 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stupid friend told me to inform him when I go climbing again so he can join < 1486247353 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that apparentely was an empty promise. < 1486247366 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's a promise? < 1486247373 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a balm does, yes < 1486247380 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ooh, good idea < 1486247401 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a promise to join me, yes. < 1486247418 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's not even responding. < 1486247477 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I kind need to know... I don't like it when people only commit on the actual day it was planned. < 1486247481 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cancel on the day it was planned. < 1486247487 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rude. < 1486247499 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disrupts my workout regime. < 1486247600 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I had to go shopping today waiting for him to answer. < 1486247603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486247606 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted to buy a suit. < 1486247609 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit is too expensive though. < 1486247612 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :600 bucks < 1486247622 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to think if that's actually worth it. < 1486247669 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a weird body shape. < 1486247669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too expensive? < 1486247670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :suit yourself < 1486247679 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't buy clothes without having to tailor them. < 1486247717 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arms and legs are shorter than other peoples. < 1486247722 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people's < 1486247727 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1486247737 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :600 bucks is probably a reasonable price for a tailored suit < 1486247749 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that's likely average price for that kind of quality. < 1486247799 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no specific use for a suit other than that I currently don't have one and wanted to see what the fuzz is abut. < 1486247801 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about < 1486247854 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need a suit if you work as a lawyer or in a bank or insurance company < 1486247861 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise nobody needs a suit. < 1486247886 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 600 bucks is too much to ruin it < 1486247888 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not quite. it's useful to have a suit when you're invited to other people's weddings < 1486247901 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when/if/ < 1486247902 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting invited to weddings. < 1486247918 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own brother doesn't even say hi to me < 1486247919 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1486247922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but many people who aren't lawyers or work in a bank are < 1486247948 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's zero people who would invite me to weddings. < 1486247951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1486247953 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or birthday parties < 1486247958 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much anything. < 1486247964 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1486248006 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I went out was more than 2 years ago. < 1486248030 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like out of the house? < 1486248039 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486248041 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the total amount of times I went out I can count with two hands. < 1486248049 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1486248050 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheltered... < 1486248054 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I leave home everyday for work < 1486248072 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and climbing < 1486248074 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1486248077 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly climbing and work tho < 1486248078 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: or have a really big house, like Wonko the Sane does < 1486248107 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doctor appointments < 1486248152 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I face orofacial dyskinesia < 1486248159 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1486248159 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean indoor climbing? < 1486248163 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I have < 1486248174 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orofa... what? < 1486248182 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan what actually happens is that my brain skips to the next word and then mangles words together < 1486248185 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1486248200 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I end up writing "I face" orofacial instead of "I have" < 1486248224 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It means my facial muscles are doing shit they are not supposed to < 1486248238 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also chronic orofacial pain < 1486248254 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1486248275 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They move without me commanding them < 1486248427 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have many friend. < 1486248444 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I'm very good at sensing if people actually like me or just tolerate me. < 1486248497 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I'm not very narcissistic I don't give a shit about attention from people who tolerate me < 1486248561 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's a BPD trait < 1486248562 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows. < 1486248574 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or SPD. < 1486248664 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not really good at anything and not traditionally attractive at all < 1486248674 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people usually don't want to be friends anyway < 1486248693 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what sort of climbing? indoor climbing? < 1486248698 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indoor < 1486248720 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bouldering < 1486248726 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but climbing only indoor so far. < 1486248802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried indoor climbing only once, and didn't enjoy it, so I never went back < 1486248817 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least I can understand why other people want to do it < 1486248847 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's challenging. < 1486248861 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first few times it feels like freedom. < 1486248868 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently it has become more of a challenge < 1486248873 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "I wanna climb better grades" < 1486248901 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a very niche sport around here < 1486248903 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of people < 1486248926 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anybody who climbs < 1486248931 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486248937 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that common < 1486248944 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm limited to the routes with those Toppas devices < 1486248953 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow a lot of people started to do squash (sport) < 1486248972 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toppas devices? < 1486249028 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that's some sort of rope holding thing, if I understand right < 1486249033 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1486249038 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at the top of the wall < 1486249061 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a mechanism that slows your fall to 1m/s < 1486249095 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: can't you also go to indoor climbing spaces that don't have ropes but are not very tall and have a thick padded mat on the floor? that's the kind of place I was at when I tried. so if you fall, you don't fall from too high, and don't hurt yourself much (usually). < 1486249105 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's called bouldering < 1486249108 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I do that. < 1486249112 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486249221 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hoehenpass.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/560x560/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/toppas_1.png <- that's a toppas < 1486249242 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the top of the wall with a rope attached so you can pull it down, hook it up to your climbing belt (probably not the correct term) < 1486249257 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it always pulls the rope in so when you climb upwards it will pull the rope in < 1486249281 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :climbing harness? < 1486249287 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you fall it will slowling unwind the rope with about 1m/s < 1486249290 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. harness. < 1486249325 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're tired from climbing it gets hard to even pull the thing down :) < 1486249360 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's always an upwards force pulling the rope back up < 1486249368 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to pull it down against that force :D < 1486249434 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why people once they have pulled it down fix it to a carabiner at the bottom of the wall. < 1486249447 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are two systems in use actually < 1486249462 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one where the carabiner from the toppas is at the top with a small rope attached to it so you have to pull the thing down < 1486249489 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and system 2 is where it's already pulled down and hooked with carabiners on the floor < 1486249499 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you unhook it, climb up, fall down, hook it to the floor again < 1486249516 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with that is if some moron forgets to hook it to the floor the whole thing is pulled to the top < 1486249520 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need a crane :D < 1486249561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486249566 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some routes have similar devices < 1486249584 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"snatch pulley"? < 1486249620 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a machine so you need a human partner but the device makes you lighter to like 10% of your actual weight < 1486249635 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the one who is protecting you from falling down needs very little force < 1486249654 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rope is already on the wall < 1486249664 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly for children though. < 1486249711 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... good night. < 1486249716 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really need some sleep now. < 1486249726 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 QUIT :Quit: zzZzZzzZz < 1486250147 0 :carado!~carado@2001:41d0:d:9ef::1:16 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486250551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486250576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486250576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250657 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, HTH is also a brand of kitchens <-- i've got hth < 1486250671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486250695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486250695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486250875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486250875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486250892 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486250942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brand of kittens?! < 1486251026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwno. < 1486251040 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486251105 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you recommend hth brand kitchens? < 1486251207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it slightly unnerving that i cannot find the plugs for the fridge and freezer < 1486251281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered defrosting the freezer recently, but i don't know how to do it without using the circuit breaker < 1486251307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hope it doesn't really need defrosting, the buildup isn't _that_ great) < 1486251349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486251361 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i don't really have an idea, it came with the apartment. < 1486251389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you recommend your apartment? < 1486251408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the ventilation is far too noisy < 1486251436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the positive things about my apartment are the location and the price < 1486251464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest ranges from ok to scow < 1486251473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the important things anyway? < 1486251478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also my bedroom is next to the building staircase/elevator. < 1486251495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe norway is no cheaper than berkeley < 1486251498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sometimes annoying, but not that often. < 1486251513 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know... < 1486251523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1486251541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I stick around CA or go somewhere else? < 1486251573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to sri lanka and become a fisherman hth < 1486251585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not into fishing tdnh < 1486251607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNACCEPTABLE < 1486251610 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me neither) < 1486251622 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486251676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also not into other people fishing < 1486251692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486251715 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( shachaf is working for the fish people ) < 1486252049 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486252174 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1486252205 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1486252205 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1486253066 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486253068 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486253462 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486253719 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486254545 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486254848 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486254906 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486255840 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486256660 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486257016 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-axvxmpfkjdrlfrpq QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486257031 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fnfcaaiimgdaaysw JOIN :#esoteric < 1486257416 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: FWIW, often there's a switch of some sort. < 1486257600 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486258048 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the fridge is adjustable, but there's no switch in the freezer that i can find. < 1486258120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there is a strange orange rope in the fridge which i'm not sure what does... it _might_ be connected to the freezer somehow. < 1486258165 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486258178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are not, however, a single box) < 1486258194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have an HTH kitchen? < 1486258688 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486258692 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486258693 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin//LATINA EST SUBLIMISSIMA LINGUA MUNDI < 1486258853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits latin < 1486258855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän < 1486258857 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1486259090 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœirjan. < 1486259180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/U/V/g hth < 1486259213 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db40163.dyn.telefonica.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdgdsdgasdasdadsasdasa < 1486259284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure how that's defined. < 1486259303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google hth kitchen < 1486259306 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hth-kitchen.com/ < 1486259306 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Home < 1486259307 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf, VisuellozeR, fizziello. < 1486259400 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing that fancy. < 1486259452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the London real estate you buy can have an HTH kitchen. < 1486259625 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486259692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked a little at how those things work around here, and it seems really complicated. < 1486259720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least compared to how we did it in Finland, where we just went to the bank we used anyway, asked for some money, and bought a place. < 1486259763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to what in London? < 1486259814 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently here the process involves at least a solicitor, a mortgage adviser, a lender, the seller, the seller's solicitor, the lender's surveyor, and probably some others as well. < 1486259874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allegedly everyone remortgages their mortgages all the time. < 1486259880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a better deal. < 1486259886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the time? < 1486259899 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do better deals keep showing up? < 1486259904 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, every couple years. < 1486259923 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486259925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are interest-only mortgage the best? < 1486259940 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you borrow money in finland for a place in london? < 1486259943 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, you get a good deal for your first K years (for K of around 2 to 5), and then you remortgage when it would switch to the lender's default rate. < 1486259984 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus there's freeholds, leaseholds, shared freeholds, commonholds, and I suspect a few other holds as well. < 1486260079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily. < 1486260093 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, commonholds correspond to the most common arrangement (for flats) in Finland, where the people living in the building own a share in a company that owns the building, and then pays for someone to manage the things that need to be managed and makes the decisions that need to be decided. < 1486260120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd latin//s/U/V/g < 1486260122 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin//LATINA EST SVBLIMISSIMA LINGVA MVNDI < 1486260133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently no new-ish commonhold flats exist, because the developer companies can't extract as much money from the tenants that way. < 1486260204 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486260215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a condominium thing in the US? < 1486260259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. All I know about condominiums is that the word is very fancy, and resembles CoDominium, which is a sci-fi universe. < 1486260338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, Wikipedia confirms it. < 1486260371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Suomi link points to Asunto#Asuinhuoneisto < 1486260412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How should I get leverage? < 1486260422 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's just a general word for a flat. < 1486260441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe real estate is the best way to do it. < 1486260452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear leverage is the best. < 1486260476 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486260481 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Asunto#Asuinhuoneisto section just says it's a thing meant for a place someone can live in. < 1486260770 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking into setting up an alerting system, but I don't know how I could trust the alerting system to be working without something alerting me if it breaks. < 1486260817 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of alerts? < 1486260857 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet. I want something that'd show up on things I'm looking at. < 1486260869 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean 'on what', I'd like to know when the wiki breaks, for example. < 1486260875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1486260879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already got monitoring, but not alerting. < 1486260886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an alarm on your flat, for example. < 1486260890 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of monitoring has it got? < 1486260900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't a monitoring system be able to alert automatically? < 1486260916 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ automatically// < 1486260930 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three of the systems involved in the monitoring can do alerts, but I haven't configured any of them to do so. < 1486260944 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which systems? < 1486261017 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a collectd instance on the wiki machine scraping stuff out of nginx (collectd can do alerts), it's sent to an InfluxDB for storage (the TICK stack includes a separate tool called Kapacitor for alerting), and I look at it with Grafana (the very latest Grafana versions do alerting). < 1486261061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Grafana more of a UI? < 1486261069 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they're building an alerting in it. < 1486261076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems odd. < 1486261088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of those systems it seems that the one I'd want to alert would be Kapacitor. < 1486261089 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was a heavily requested feature. < 1486261093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've never used Kapacitor. < 1486261118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :collectd can presumably only alert on the values it collects, rather than queries based on historical values etc.? < 1486261139 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building alerting in Grafana may make sense so far as to it providing a nice user interface for configuring alerts. < 1486261180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1486261189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been running Prometheus recently. It's a Borgmon clone. < 1486261210 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you said. I had a look at Prometheus, but I've spent a little bit too much time fiddling with the current setup already. < 1486261225 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, InfluxDB and the rest of TICK are also written in Go, as Prometheus. < 1486261236 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/esoqps.png < 1486261274 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486261291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1486261321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many qps per second < 1486261388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost one. < 1486261398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite. < 1486261471 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486262431 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486262496 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486262503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe influxdb is better. < 1486262511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the data model is richer or something? I don't know. < 1486262528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1486262610 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: LIMERICK CHICKEN < 1486262655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that Facebook released their time series database recently? < 1486262718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that mean request processing time is p. high < 1486262719 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486262824 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is being written in Go nowadays. :-( < 1486262952 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard something about the Facebook thing. < 1486262987 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Microsoft released something to do with large repositories in Git. < 1486263009 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Microsoft/GVFS < 1486263062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With GVFS, this means that they now have a Git experience that is much more manageable: clone now takes a few minutes instead of 12+ hours, checkout takes 30 seconds instead of 2-3 hours, and status takes 4-5 seconds instead of 10 minutes." < 1486263311 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486263400 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to say "huge" instead of "large", but turns out the repository they're talking about has just 3 million files.) < 1486263557 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486263763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only a couple orders of magnitude smaller than Google's, according to http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/7/204032-why-google-stores-billions-of-lines-of-code-in-a-single-repository/fulltext < 1486263783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I mention a Google thing (like CitC the other day), I feel obligated to include a citation. < 1486264596 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just look up a citation I *could* include, but don't. < 1486264647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite [citation needed] < 1486264933 0 :nal!~nal@adsl-64-237-236-126.prtc.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1486265080 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486265313 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db40163.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486265366 0 :Cale_!~cale@24.114.86.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486265370 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db45635.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486265773 0 :JX7P!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486265843 0 :IRIXUser!~IRIX@picon.email JOIN :#esoteric < 1486265866 0 :IRIXUser!?@? NICK :Guest7544 < 1486266050 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486266081 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486266407 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486266726 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486266804 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486267211 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486267761 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486267780 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486268125 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1486268128 0 :Cale_!?@? NICK :Cale < 1486268148 0 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:2cc1:8446:6439:54fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1486270244 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486270361 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486271185 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.86.24 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486271693 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486272184 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486272894 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486273068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Cale < 1486273075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language should be used to specify build system configuration? < 1486273146 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486273441 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db45635.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486273668 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At the company I work for, we use nix. I really wish that nix's language was just Haskell. < 1486273698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix's language seems very complicated. < 1486273710 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also it doesn't really seem like a build system configuration language? < 1486273719 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't replace Makefiles/cabal/whatever. < 1486273733 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so much that the language itself is complicated, it's that the way people use it is complicated and often undocumented, and impossible to discover because it's untyped. < 1486273765 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, cabal2nix is involved < 1486273811 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazel and all Bazel clones use Python. It's not ideal but it's not bad. < 1486273815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what would be better. < 1486273939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Haskell be better? Unclear. < 1486274012 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nix were simply built in Haskell rather than its own weird inane language, it would be really nice. < 1486274056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix seems to be at the wrong level of abstraction, though. < 1486274067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I just don't understand Nix. < 1486274091 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be some sort of transition project which starts out by implementing nix in Haskell with Haskell as the configuration language, and then building a nix interpreter which integrates with that so that all the existing work on .nix files can be leveraged and gradually replaced. < 1486274120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a talk about Reflex FRP the other day, by the way. < 1486274128 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1486274132 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who gave it? < 1486274140 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tikhon, if you know him? < 1486274149 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard the name < 1486274160 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in NYC for the next couple of weeks btw < 1486274166 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got here < 1486274186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYC pretty good. I should go sometime. < 1486274199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1486274210 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to Melbourne for a month off :) < 1486274218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should stop by CA. < 1486274239 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, perhaps I should have... it's all already booked though. < 1486274258 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My stopover is in Hong Kong < 1486274275 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna be a crazy flight :) < 1486274453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: You should come to BayHac 2017 in Apr. < 1486274531 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man... might be too soon after all this, but we'll see :) < 1486274548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1486274551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a quick flight. < 1486274654 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's probably not really all that hard -- I just fully expect to be fairly burnt out on travel by the time I get back home toward the end of March. < 1486274693 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only going to be home for two days between now and March 20 < 1486274766 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have several weeks to rest before BayHac < 1486274769 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfect. < 1486274770 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486274780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably be in NYC in Apr. < 1486274786 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1486274801 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it shouldn't conflict, so it'll all be fine. < 1486277930 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486278441 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486278722 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486278894 0 :Cale!~cale@24.114.98.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486279387 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486279659 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486283433 0 :dos!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486283619 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486284413 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486285864 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486286136 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486286182 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486286436 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486286858 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486286867 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a robot. < 1486286888 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear the day captchas prove to me that I'm a robot. < 1486286907 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when I click on "I'm not a robot" and it doesn't trust me. < 1486286925 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486286937 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this funny video of a guy beating the "I'm not a robot captcha" with a robot. < 1486287059 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6fbwtyfah0li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486287589 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid youtube video editor is so fucking buggy < 1486288030 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486288990 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486289143 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making very quick guides on how to do stuff < 1486289152 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :following the ms paint quality of graphics tradition < 1486289157 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I suck at graphics :) < 1486290120 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The "MS Paint" school of art was a minimalist art movement in the late 20th and early 21st century. Its proponents were convinced that "name defines function" and therefore, the program called "Paint" would be a suitable medium for producing paintings. ) < 1486290673 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1486290674 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows < 1486290681 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name defines function . < 1486290760 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, "Word" is apparently used to write books. < 1486290880 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I taught an SQL course last year < 1486290885 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was quite nice < 1486290929 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like coding for 8h a day < 1486290931 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much. < 1486291891 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1486292481 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486293482 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486293769 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486293971 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkwbrhvxfijtcqif QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486294080 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db3f7c2.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486294814 0 :dos!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1486294825 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to German again. < 1486294979 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :viel glück < 1486295287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm trying to translate "Grab 'em by the pussy" [for... fun?], specifically discussing whether it'd be "Greift" or "Greifst" or "Greife" < 1486295420 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's an < 1486295443 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itjs imperative so either greif oder greift, depending on wether you talk to a single person or a crowd < 1486295455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1486295465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you can do that somewhere else or nowhere at all < 1486295476 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well I AM doing it somewhere else. < 1486295485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in particular not here < 1486296116 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486296291 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4db3f7c2.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486296855 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486297114 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486297380 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486298328 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486301034 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg hppavilion[1] "Packt sie an der Muschi" < 1486301035 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1486301037 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1486301045 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it @tell? < 1486301055 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] "Packt sie an der Muschi" < 1486301055 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486301146 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but please don't ever use that) < 1486301170 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :donjt trump < 1486301244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot maintenance in progress, please stand by. < 1486301244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err what? < 1486301247 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486301258 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little did it know. < 1486301285 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486301311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling quite okay? < 1486301325 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486301327 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1486301376 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the incoming messages in the log, but it doesn't seem to be replying. < 1486301403 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello? < 1486301407 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1486301407 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1486301420 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!hmm < 1486301421 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486301430 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That side works, why doesn't the babbling. < 1486301568 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486301647 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486301649 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486301720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that's not right, the proxy quits when fungot disconnects. < 1486301725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :05-02-2017 13:37:20 FATAL: Failed assertion in src/log.c(205): olf < 1486301750 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can turn logging off, but then it will crash whenever a client disconnects. < 1486301874 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486301898 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping < 1486301899 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Pong alone cannot stop! < 1486301902 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: But. < 1486301913 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I must've messed something to do with saving the bot's own nickname. < 1486302016 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1486302041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I think it thinks its nickname is the password. < 1486302143 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486302151 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still crashes when disconnecting. < 1486302232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just let it log. < 1486302235 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486302241 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How about now? < 1486302242 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it does that fnord to it ( programmer time saved, future extensibility, etc. < 1486302245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1486302422 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486302458 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover You'll be glad to know fungot now supports a connection password and non-6667 ports, for convenient bouncer use. < 1486302458 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486302458 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's like a type fnord ( or something). but when run from unix, and i don't know < 1486303888 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know fungot is alive if he says fnord. < 1486303888 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it is. the fnord bus actually goes fnord. :p < 1486304377 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486305185 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I think with [the physical implications of] portals? < 1486305255 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,, < 1486305384 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,? < 1486305429 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored and now I want to discuss the physics of portals... do you know a channel I can discuss such a thing without being met with silence? < 1486305527 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just as I predicted, silence < 1486305814 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486306089 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, don't know of any channel where. < 1486306104 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, currently dieing at crawl.) < 1486306107 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1486306112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. < 1486306170 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora QUIT :Quit: uh-oh! < 1486306227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanted to make a wisdom where, but then remembered #esoteric is the only channel. < 1486306282 0 :gsora_!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora JOIN :#esoteric < 1486306407 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486306409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal property//Universal properties are the best. < 1486306420 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486306421 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :high hat//A high hat is the same as a top hat, not the same as a hi-hat, just like how a top quark is not the same as an up quark. < 1486306453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clears it up. < 1486306461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or down. anyway, has its charm. < 1486306468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if a bit strange. < 1486306577 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics are weird shit, yo. < 1486306634 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything is made of the five elements: boom, orange, pickle, pungent and sweet. < 1486306655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that discordianism or something < 1486306658 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ick/rick/ < 1486306662 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1486306772 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486307065 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486307370 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486307397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why do you want to build an alert system? don't people on the channel already alert you? < 1486307459 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486307460 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this might be the first time I heard my wisdom cleans something up < 1486307477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clears < 1486307482 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not always looking at the channel. < 1486307496 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits high hat < 1486307499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonäs < 1486307556 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4e31dd98.dyn.telefonica.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486308165 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486308594 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486308890 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486309035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Arkenidar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50849&oldid=50710 5* 03Arkenidar 5* (+79) 10 < 1486309144 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc75.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486309385 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: feeling more bouncy today? < 1486309386 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the gui still needs to have the students who failed the exam take the supplementary." < 1486309435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being coherent please < 1486309436 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: although, if you watch movies on your computer? ( they'll actually come and check this!) < 1486309446 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail. < 1486309497 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486309584 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ a.{~93+?47$26 < 1486309585 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: pnrmurnkbsttgffqsgqadmt]`]htjeqthsvpsvsnlgdrrfo < 1486309592 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1486309646 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: if you don't improve your incoherence ffj-bot will be beating you < 1486309647 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i believe so, a mechanical amplifier... i have enough trouble keeping other /humans/ off my keyboard. < 1486309680 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ a.{~97+?47$26 < 1486309681 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: wbebigxljdefqlzjyndvanxyommgniscsyqsgudffwfseti < 1486309697 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1486309765 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486310113 0 :ibrahemgebri!~ibrahemge@196.145.173.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486310315 0 :ibrahemgebri!~ibrahemge@196.145.173.30 QUIT : < 1486310402 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486310414 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's turing test this fungot. < 1486310414 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'm a bit short in the fnord before it totally befunged me. < 1486310418 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed. < 1486310433 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486310447 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:4862:fd1c:8836:fef3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486310851 0 :DHeadshot_!?@? NICK :DHeadshot < 1486310927 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486311015 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486311381 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman. fungot is feeling a little short in the fnord. don't sentience him today. < 1486311381 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( the whole compiler uniformly used a cps lambda calculus for the people that i don't < 1486311420 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... a rogue like where the floor is inscribed in befunge patterns and some enemies must follow the instructions. < 1486311734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486311777 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486311796 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutellon. more like battlebots trying to selfmodify the same program to trip the other ones into oblivion? < 1486311864 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486312261 0 :VisualizeR!~404@x4e31dd98.dyn.telefonica.de QUIT :Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com ) < 1486312417 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486312456 0 :gsora_!?@? NICK :gsora < 1486312510 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486312511 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calzone//A calzone is a part of California. They include norcal and socal. < 1486312524 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wasn't it "nocal"? ) < 1486312529 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486312530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic//ic what you did there. < 1486312545 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora QUIT :Quit: uh-oh! < 1486312601 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora JOIN :#esoteric < 1486312608 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486312729 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486312890 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486312891 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :murphy'//Murphy's law obviously does not hold in wisdom/ < 1486313069 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486313139 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486313192 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486313574 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc75.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1486314095 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486316382 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486317341 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.48.34.70 QUIT :Quit: ABOUT CHICKEN < 1486317593 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486317926 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486318230 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486318607 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486318709 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486318762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486318831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486319393 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486320711 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486321244 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486321374 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh. I knew that Knuth's homepage has been changed: whereas it used to say that TAOCP vol 5 is estimated to be ready in 2020, now it says 2025. But I just realized that vol 3 second edition says that the reworked version of vol 3 is estimated at 2015. Funny. < 1486321395 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sad at the same time. < 1486321520 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486321554 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: got fun? < 1486321554 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: this is one place where i used essentials of programming languages < 1486321703 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486321830 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486321835 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486322223 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem to have mastered syntax, but what about semantics? < 1486322223 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that would be < 1486322375 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantics? what does that mean? it's just a word < 1486322424 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it was talking about essentials of programming languages < 1486322441 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which for some inexplicable reason I associate with the string "syntax and semantics" < 1486322797 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"semantics" has a mathematical definition < 1486322823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this channel, it's normally used to describe the method via which a programming language gives meaning to a parse tree < 1486322831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the syntax being the way the source code is converted into a parse tree) < 1486322862 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, I'm just being silly in a self-referential way, but it wasn't very funnt < 1486322891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I completely missed the joke, you need at least a pair of quotes for it to work though < 1486323015 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the circularity but thought it was a troll attempt rather than a joke, sorry. (An honest and complete answer would become *very* lengthy, and I'm not sure I would be up to giving one.) < 1486323051 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1486324017 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486324325 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1486324379 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? syntax < 1486324380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is just a subset of grammar. < 1486324385 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grammar < 1486324386 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammar is just the evil subset of syntax. < 1486324389 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grammar < 1486324390 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammar is just the evil subset of syntax. < 1486324392 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? semantics < 1486324393 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantics? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486324415 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprit grammar < 1486324416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: culprit: not found < 1486324652 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486325069 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits grammar < 1486325071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän mromän < 1486325464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486325534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486325835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486325905 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486326212 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486327443 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? life < 1486327444 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486327591 0 :Guest7544!~IRIX@picon.email QUIT :Changing host < 1486327591 0 :Guest7544!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber JOIN :#esoteric < 1486327593 0 :Guest7544!?@? NICK :JX7P < 1486327633 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1486327635 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1166) int-e: such were the idle tales of the fnord < 1486327770 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486328432 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486328705 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486329073 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1486329311 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is best way to do with OpenGL to replace a texture and a set of vertices with data from mmap()ed memory during every frame without lagging? < 1486329313 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there was that message that made Marvin smile? "We apologize for the inconvenience.". < 1486329430 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well there will be lag as the texture will have to be DMAed from main memory to graphics card memory < 1486329523 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes, but I would want to try to reduce the amount of lag and also to reduce the amount of slowness < 1486329546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a more expensive computer? < 1486329571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I want to copy a set of vertices as well as a texture, and then to render those things in a display list) < 1486329828 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486329919 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I just wanted to know the best way to do; it does not have to be perfect. (Also, I haven't tried anything yet) < 1486329940 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486330029 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the lag will always be there due to this bottleneck that is the bus between the graphics card and main memory. This is true even with systems that say that they use unified memory. (In that case, unless the memory is dual ported, it will cause contention between CPU and GPU. And often there is no mapswapping of memory banks. (CPU does stuff with memory bank A while GPU has memory bank B and then they switch) < 1486330037 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1486330082 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is something called transfers sets or command lists but I havent looked at OpenGL (nor (in)DirectX for that matter) in a long while now. < 1486330088 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/Buffer_Object ... no I'm not reading that now (and it won't give you the answers you want anyway... it'll depend on the hardware. for example, the hybrid CPU and GPU packages with shared memory have the benefit that no DMA is taking place. PCIe has reasonably fast access to main memory too, I believe. < 1486330160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486330171 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think buffer objects are the modern abstraction for everything now, I mean look at this list of types: https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/Buffer_Object#General_use < 1486330220 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to know there are people on this channel who know about gpu stuff < 1486330267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really... it's on my "I should take some time to properly (re)learn this" horizon) < 1486330354 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on my list of things I don't want to learn about < 1486330604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they make it so complicated? (Many older kind of computers do not make it so complicated and so confusing) < 1486330700 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: re the hybrid CPU and GPU packages: see what I said about contention. (Which is more accuratly said to be port contention) < 1486330783 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: yes, I know it's not a free lunch. < 1486330860 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: depends on which older computers. Many just give you a frame buffer memory that you can write pixels into. < 1486330891 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the end hybrid or standalone GPU will be just another variable for deciding where best to put your various buffer objects) < 1486330909 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I am just rather befuddled why they want to add pressure on the memory to GPU or CPU bottleneck. < 1486331032 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own design was just for CPU and video to be clock interleaved, and video memory can be mapped anywhere in the main memory space (usually RAM, but it does not have to be), and then a display list is executed during hblank in order to change the setting of what to draw on that scanline. < 1486331073 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so basically, ATARI esque setup < 1486331098 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: shared memory = simpler design? I've heard the point (I think in a talk by John Carmack) that a lot of data has to travel from the CPU/main memory to the GPU each frame *anyway* and having shared memory (= direct access of the GPU to that data) might very well make this cheaper overall... I'm skeptical but it's definitely not an obvious tradeoff. < 1486331100 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes, somewhat, but more sophisticated. < 1486331155 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486331155 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I can see an unambiguous advantage in not sharing the frame buffer though. < 1486331161 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think the video chipset being the most complicated part of the computer is the rule, ever since the first video terminals, and the IBM PC with its dumb simple video cards are the exception < 1486331201 0 :hppavilion2!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1486331237 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: perhaps, but I have seen old designs where they used crossbar switch between CPUs, GPUs, DMA drivers and memory banks. < 1486331319 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the reason for that was the price of memory iirc versus logic die size. (If you could use a specialized logic to lessen memory consuption for video terminal stuff then you did) < 1486331341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: yep < 1486331388 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: damn there was a cute story a while ago where somebody ran benchmarks and they got quite consistently faster after 30 minutes or so... that was with a shared framebuffer, and after 30 minutes the display would switch off, freeing a noticable fraction of the memory bandwidth (1920*1080*60*4 = 500MB/s, it would be more today). I have no idea how to find it again :-/ < 1486331397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think part of the reason why memory capacity (as opposed to latency) became relatively cheaper compared to other stuff in the computer is partly that DRAM starts out big but scales better to larger RAM sizes < 1486331410 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that was me < 1486331413 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't I? < 1486331425 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the beuity of it was that there were usually no contention between diffrent accessors to same memory banks. < 1486331429 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: possible? < 1486331429 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did main memory throughput benchmarks < 1486331442 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found that it got faster when the screen saver started < 1486331458 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: But I think the Atari ANTIC only allows executing one display list instruction per hblank, and many settings could not be set by the display list. My own design does not have these limitations. < 1486331470 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: the contention was with the throughput. I didn't try to measure latency in that case. < 1486331513 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: did you just have graphs or also some text online? but I guess reading it here would be memorable enough for me. < 1486331515 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure. But the basic idea is the same. < 1486331546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I probably showed a graph < 1486331557 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it just had one 'huge' drawback: cost. At least at that time. < 1486331562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486331590 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cost as in relatively expensive to manifacture than other cheaper yet worse methods) < 1486331592 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a complete copy of the logs, you could probably find it. < 1486331677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486331698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486331751 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1486331764 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have somewhere in my ideas file an draft of an spec where instead of an application being only limited to framebuffers, textures, voxels, uniforms and simple gpu shader kernels, they could send a whole program expressed in a binary language that was on the level of primitive recursive function level and therefore guranteed to terminate. < 1486331831 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a bit like ReGIS&Sixel, Ripscrip, NAPLPS or Apple QuickDraw commands list (PICT) in that regard < 1486331844 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1486331872 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: probably still is expensive... otherwise more multicore CPUs would offer more than 2 memory interfaces. < 1486331898 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :so feel free to discuss your ideas regarding this here, zzo38 ;-Þ < 1486331904 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps 4 is the norm now for high-end CPUs?) < 1486331989 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well that design didnt have multi core CPUs, just a number of CPUs (Called Computing Processing Units just to get the acronym to fit ;-) < 1486331998 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just looking at intel and amd here, fwiw) < 1486332000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I would have had it a bit differently; the program is not guaranteed to terminate but if it does not terminate it will restart anyways during each vblank. That way loops and so on are possible and you can implement your own tiles perhaps < 1486332085 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there much difference? A primitive recursive program could still easily loop as much that it terminates only after the universe has ended. < 1486332112 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486332144 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for CPU and memory interface, what I really wish for is for Intel to figure out a sane way in future x86_64 cpus how the OS can opt for a mode where all pages are at least 8K (or at least 16K) sized, < 1486332155 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: sure, but to make it analogous, a multicore-CPU is just several CPU's, and possibly GPUs on a single die, communicating with external buses (memory, PCIe, more?) and in a perfect world there'd be a crossbar switch between all those components... < 1486332171 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own design did allow loops too and also did that (restarted the program during each vblank), but could not execute during rendering so you had to program the registers to control rendering during each scanline (it renders tiles eight pixels wide, or can render in pixel mode instead, but cannot mix them in a single scanline; also tiles are only one pixel high but the display list can change the character base address during each scanline in order < 1486332177 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the 4K page size is currently causing the cpus to not being able to have more than 8*4K L1 data cache < 1486332191 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that limitation would be so useful to get over. < 1486332193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486332197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually in my design, the display list program can't terminate, although there is a "wait for next scanline" instruction. < 1486332200 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one trick I did way back when first there was a computer in the house and I was programming stuff in QBASIC was to keep a copy of video memory block where the mouse cursor was to be drawn to be used to undo the cursor drawing when the mouse was moved. < 1486332215 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: the reality will be less than ideal and probably too complicated for my poor little brain :) < 1486332252 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just because it otherwise took too long to redraw the screen and there wasnt enough memory to do dual buffering. Worked well for other sprite kind of stuff too. < 1486332290 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: one cute point of the hybrid design is that a GPU can potentially access data by snooping CPU caches without going via main memory at all. < 1486332317 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: right, PC video cards didn't have built-in sprite support of any sort (and have other limitations too), which is why they're so hard to use. < 1486332343 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still ended up doing magical stuff with PC video cards of course, but still. < 1486332374 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486332380 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was rather pleased with my ten yearold self when I figured out that trick on my own. < 1486332392 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1486332401 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own design does include built-in sprite support though, but the display list program still has to alter the sprite Y scroll register during each scanline < 1486332462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also my own design has no display list interrupt like ANTIC has, because it is unnecessary. There is still the vblank interrupt though.) < 1486332494 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: and my brother was rather impressed that I had added mouse cursor (and gui buttons) to an fractal drawing program that we had copied from an photocopied then faxed computer programming magazine article. < 1486332526 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: hmm, and all that sounds like I really like those hybrids, and I actually don't... but the tradeoffs are all but clear, and the reason is that both the hybrids and the standalone GPUs are really hard to reason about. < 1486332540 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: did that use machine code (non-BASIC) for some of the computation? < 1486332541 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(performance wise) < 1486332612 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: none what so ever, took a while to draw the fractal, just did a ?interrupt? check in the next innermost loop iirc < 1486332619 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program I wrote in QBASIC to implement a solitaire card game used a XOR picture for the mouse cursor instead, and undid the mouse cursor before drawing anything else on the screen and then redid it afterward. (But there were no GUI buttons; the mouse was used only to select which card to move, and other operations were done by keyboard) < 1486332732 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: so if you swinged the mouse about it actually executed a bit slower, but you could pause the fractal drawing etc. < 1486332746 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: nice < 1486332812 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit sad that this thing sucumbed to a bad harddrive sector. < 1486332941 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I discovered Forth I was rather pissed because Beginners' All Situations Interchange Computerlanguage was rather crappy and used the confusing mathematical notation I have come to loath. < 1486332980 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here was this thing all along that was much better so long you didnt mind RPN. < 1486332990 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such is life < 1486333004 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hears Marvin sigh electronically < 1486333005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an example of what I was asking before about OpenGL is to consider a fragment program such as this http://sprunge.us/XSHI and may want to change the name table during every frame. < 1486333042 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note this program is not quite a standard ARB fragment program; it uses a preprocessor to convert the fractions with slashes into decimals.) < 1486333083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486333100 0 :mroman_!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486333105 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486333142 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486333306 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6fbwtyfah0li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486333348 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the program that writes it may be JavaScript using mmap.js (a Node.js package), so that is why I wanted to know the best way to upload the texture every frame. Also for sprites it may wanted to have a list of shapes to upload too every frame. (And the shader program to use would not necessarily be the one I posted; the JavaScript code may upload a different fragment program.) < 1486333826 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486334073 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, can you answer my question? < 1486334432 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486334543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486334664 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486334968 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486335659 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that answer, please? < 1486335748 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: said something about Buffer Objects so you could start there. < 1486335856 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you think comments make sense on diffs directly like that, or in a code review tool? < 1486335869 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did read about Buffer Objects, but am unsure the best way to use them (without causing too much desynchronization and/or other problems). < 1486335870 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean more in a code review tool < 1486335871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wish more people used good code review tools. < 1486335880 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to "tell a story" in my code review < 1486335889 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no reason not to start at diffs < 1486335947 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well you have deplete me of my GPU knowledge. Perhaps ask in #OpenGL ? < 1486335985 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I tried; they won't answer me. < 1486336159 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really wished that all terminal emulators supported Sixels (They arent that complex) < 1486336176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any one other than xterm do? < 1486336205 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what are Sixels? < 1486336227 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Display pictures on a DEC VT terminal < 1486336239 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well any other terminals that support VT340 < 1486336272 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi shachaf :) < 1486336279 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stuck at ORD for another hour and a bit < 1486336282 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs loudly < 1486336296 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: what is ORD in this context? < 1486336396 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very large airport in Chicago < 1486336427 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: on the way away, or on the way home? < 1486336488 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh, I didnt catch that from context. Like KEF or BIRK, I gather. < 1486336518 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: way home :) second layover < 1486336525 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait to lie down in my bed < 1486336664 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :airports, it reminds me. A guy I heard of took a frozen water bottle through security because he successfully argued it was not a liquid. Frankly I think the security guys just saw that was water ice and didnt bother further than putting it through the x ray machine. < 1486336852 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486336869 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool I thought. < 1486336935 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: btw ftp://ftp.cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/all_about_sixels.txt should illuminate sixels < 1486336946 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: hmm, how does that work? does he pour the melted part of the water on the floor right before he gets to the front of the queue of security? < 1486337010 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486337040 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: nope, wetish paper towel evaporation cooling. Though he could just have as easily just drunk the melted part before getting to the front of the queue. < 1486337067 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1486337108 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the security people do sometimes let you through even with forbidden objects, I've seen and heard of examples < 1486337115 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'no liquids' crap is generally considered rather idiotic by all. < 1486337146 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: no it's not! it's actually one of the more brilliant parts of the rule < 1486337168 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes many people buy drinks in the part of the airplane after security < 1486337175 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great way to sell stuff < 1486337197 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just fill up at the drinking fountain after security. < 1486337202 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how the hand baggage size is also checked only at security, and anything you buy after, including large wine bottles, doesn't count in it < 1486337217 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: sure, some of them do that. I sometimes do too. < 1486337224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done both, I think < 1486337235 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear those hand baggage size shrinks every year < 1486337273 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I travel much < 1486337287 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :just heard stories from people that do < 1486337292 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: no, it's more like the atoms are getting bigger in every object because of the Hubble constant < 1486337353 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that is not even internally consistant. Because if they did get bigger then the relative sizes of objects wouldnt change. < 1486337385 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1486337458 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that airlines seem to follow the same semi-parabolic pattern, on large scale, that their airplanes do on small scale. < 1486337499 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? airplanes are shrinking too? < 1486337504 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or growing? or what? < 1486337556 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486337569 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesse how can I explain this. < 1486337598 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... planes are free falling to the ground in a parabolic path? < 1486337638 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I said semi-parabolic. They take off get up to crusing altitude then dive and land. < 1486337775 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hubble constant is basically saying that more space pops into existance over time. If we think of space as made up of biased smallscale randomly connected graph of planc sized cells then there is new cells coming into existance or at least connecting themselfs into the graph all over the place then... < 1486337871 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then it should be rather obvious that atoms which are mostly empty get bigger too at nearly the same rate. < 1486337943 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the biasing of the graph is basically how space folds and gravity emerges) < 1486338104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone had before ask me to make up a Magic: the Gathering card "Demons In Your Nose {UB}", and now maybe they should be added into esolang wiki in article about undefined behaviour or maybe it should go only in the talk page instead. < 1486338167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Undefined behavior14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50850&oldid=35567 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+251) 10 < 1486338182 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody used Cs undefined behaviour to lure in nasal demons and capture them? < 1486338239 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1486338334 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486338462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hi < 1486338496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to MDW but never to ORD. < 1486338577 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486338830 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About my previous question, what I found is that MegaZeux just uses glTexSubImage2D to update the texture during each frame. < 1486338855 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, I never have < 1486338859 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually been to chicago < 1486338861 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just through ORD < 1486338892 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486339314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I. < 1486339324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I should go? < 1486339327 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruins {-} Land ;; {T}: Add {0} to your mana pool. < 1486339423 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486339510 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What uses can you think of for that jam? < 1486339871 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486339882 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What jam? < 1486339892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the card. < 1486339901 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. I don't know. < 1486340052 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486340135 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486340229 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486340267 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486341126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? life < 1486341127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486341134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg life < 1486341135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486341159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn life//‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1486341161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'life': ‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1486341258 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1486341271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinightopia < 1486341546 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? herbal life < 1486341547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbal life? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486341583 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye then < 1486342873 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486343894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata ORD < 1486343895 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicago Ohare Intl (ORD, KORD) < 1486344625 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's missing an apostrophe. < 1486344629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's O'Hare. < 1486344653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1486344714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've been to six airports in the US, and that's one of them. < 1486344979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i've been to five or six, i think, i'm not entirely sure. all west or east coast though. < 1486345037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is fuzzy on which one we returned from the last time i was there. < 1486345096 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may or may not have been the same as another one. < 1486345133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Saihv 5* 10New user account < 1486345404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Zarutian ... then it should be rather obvious that atoms which are mostly empty get bigger too at nearly the same rate. <-- possible atom sizes are quantized, though. perhaps an electron might be pushed into a bigger orbital, briefly, with some miniscule probability. < 1486345404 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian lets you know: Use memoserv if you want to send me a message when I am offline. Will ignore lambdabot message. < 1486345404 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486345444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1486345447 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1486345451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian gets special treatment in lambdabot? < 1486345460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can. < 1486345462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell < 1486345462 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell . When shows activity, tell them . < 1486345463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list tell < 1486345463 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell provides: tell ask messages messages-loud messages? clear-messages auto-reply auto-reply? clear-auto-reply < 1486345468 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help auto-reply < 1486345468 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-reply. Lets lambda-bot auto-reply if someone sends you a message < 1486345537 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486345606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s,Betty Crocker,Zarutian, < 1486345608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Zarutian. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1486345645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gourd < 1486345645 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1486345716 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1486345717 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1486345748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1486345748 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ < 1486345772 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. out of date < 1486345789 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486345825 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm shouldn't use sled on that file. < 1486345845 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1486345854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's nopinged < 1486345896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1486345898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` head -1 bin/dontaskdonttelllist < 1486345898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./&​/g' | xargs; exit < 1486345923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/noping < 1486345924 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | sed 's/\(..\)/\1​/g' < 1486346016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sled bin/dontaskdonttelllist//s,coppro,alercah, | rot13 < 1486346020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ova/qbagnfxqbaggryyyvfg//rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | frq 'f/./&​/t' | knetf; rkvg \ dhvagbcvn \ nyrepnu \ zlanzr < 1486346030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I'm not on dontaskdonttelllist < 1486346049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not the list for fun puns < 1486346057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you ended up pinging you-know-whom anyway. < 1486346067 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1486346079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the other two. < 1486346111 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :please remove me from the list anyway < 1486346118 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO < 1486346127 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486346141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sled bin/dontaskdonttelllist///alercah/d | rot13 < 1486346143 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ova/qbagnfxqbaggryyyvfg//rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | frq 'f/./&​/t' | knetf; rkvg \ dhvagbcvn \ zlanzr < 1486346376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Zarutian shall remain ignorant about his crackpottery. < 1486346513 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486346810 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486347030 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486347321 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486348332 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486348552 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486351249 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50851&oldid=50842 5* 03Saihv 5* (+89) 10/* Introductions */ < 1486351276 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50852&oldid=50851 5* 03Saihv 5* (+78) 10/* Introductions */ < 1486351279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eitherf*ck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50853&oldid=46439 5* 03Saihv 5* (+125) 10Added eitherf*ck interpreter details < 1486351894 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486352053 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvzcvopitabkvrfy JOIN :#esoteric < 1486352168 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486352435 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486352529 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s3HfIuof38 < 1486352667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486352902 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486353476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Eitherf*ck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50854&oldid=50853 5* 03Saihv 5* (+1) 10 < 1486353515 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486353664 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486353707 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486353781 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486355027 0 :Cale!~cale@72.143.233.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486356453 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486356502 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486357380 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486357644 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486358137 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486361210 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486361254 0 :Cale!~cale@72.143.233.7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486361482 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486363785 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used exiftool to strip Exif data from a photograph, but now I want to add back in the resolution info, and I don't know how to do that. Do you know? (I also will determine the resolution by my own measurements rather than using the data that it used to have) < 1486363863 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486364153 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486365151 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486365156 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:4862:fd1c:8836:fef3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486365409 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486365611 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486367234 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486369613 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486370371 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486370651 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486370700 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486371371 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvzcvopitabkvrfy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486372337 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486372393 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486372493 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486372594 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486375989 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486376054 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486376249 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486376681 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486376879 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486378432 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486378472 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zrzvsibywjuuklwv QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486378942 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486378963 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486379008 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nljihgzxtopnkepc JOIN :#esoteric < 1486379957 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486380084 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486382171 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486382344 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486382432 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1474:975f:cf67:a862 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486382625 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486383171 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486383405 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486384086 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jpnbrftgdwmhqcgy JOIN :#esoteric < 1486385231 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486385399 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486385797 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486386100 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486386383 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486386722 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fnfcaaiimgdaaysw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486386959 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zsmetddrwmhacrxo JOIN :#esoteric < 1486389121 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486389911 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486390409 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486390493 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486391425 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486392448 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486392734 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486393628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:David.werecat14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50855&oldid=39799 5* 03David.werecat 5* (-63) 10 < 1486393997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486394040 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486394291 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486394751 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Girl Genius: i suspect colette is breaking through there... < 1486394997 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486395834 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( good-bye Paris ) < 1486395841 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486395963 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: told ya the city net's probably crowded ;) < 1486396014 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the _huge_ entity is presumably simon voltaire himself. < 1486396056 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, and the other one might be our duplicitous clank friend < 1486396070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was assuming. < 1486396145 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh heh, "duplicitous") < 1486396201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying you _did_ not do that on purpose, i am disappointed. < 1486396219 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did. < 1486396285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( i don't think "No, I did" is correct english grammar ) < 1486396303 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it, argh < 1486396311 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I outdid myself there, so I allowed myself a little chuckle. :-P < 1486396417 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps it would have been cleaner with a period instead of a comma. < 1486396451 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would. < 1486398117 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:4862:fd1c:8836:fef3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486399766 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elizabeth II Sapphire Jubilee! < 1486399769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 years on the throne! < 1486399935 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486399939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, Charles will never be king at this rate < 1486400469 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486400576 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486401162 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486401377 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486401389 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486401403 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486401429 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486401441 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486401905 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, he's already almost 10 years older than Edward VII was when he acceded < 1486402010 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486402106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the leftists are like, "Save us, corporate overlords!" < 1486402127 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob* < 1486402258 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zsmetddrwmhacrxo QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486402529 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-txpgpjpiuyrgqduh JOIN :#esoteric < 1486402932 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486403114 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1486403139 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1486403616 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486403645 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486403902 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:4862:fd1c:8836:fef3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486404264 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1474:975f:cf67:a862 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486404919 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486405181 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486405278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486406147 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486406158 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486406471 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486406584 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486406697 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486407342 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486407497 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486407522 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486407533 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486409771 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jpnbrftgdwmhqcgy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486409792 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? English < 1486409793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is an inherently ambiguous context-sensitive language that is too powerful to fully describe itself. < 1486410039 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fake < 1486410040 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486410072 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( fake = not pro-Trump ) < 1486410562 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486410648 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486412171 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486412429 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486412524 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486412676 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-heeeorvtyhabwmob JOIN :#esoteric < 1486412839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486413014 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486413239 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486413633 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486413891 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486414495 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486415742 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486416221 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486416326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486417726 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486417847 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486418708 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:51e3:8c1:3dab:d654 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486418920 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486418949 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:51e3:8c1:3dab:d654 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486419034 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486419912 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486420668 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486421106 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d5fa:37eb:d4a:82a9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486421489 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486421655 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486421657 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwfo//DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra. < 1486421769 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486422786 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423023 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423571 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-heeeorvtyhabwmob QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486423696 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concerto in Towing Pickup Siren ♪ < 1486423707 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423718 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome mecha_ma` < 1486423721 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08mecha_ma`: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) < 1486423734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1486423738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:alg. ii//Algae II, the successor class to Algae I. Discusses hydroponics and such. \ termite//Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons. \ ratatouille//A ratatouille is a stuttering rodent. \ ladder jump//Ladder jump is the phenomenon that in practically all platformer games where the player character can climb u < 1486423763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486423764 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:p on ladders, it's faster to repeatedly jump and grab the ladder than to climb. \ ginorst//Ginorst is eht aillpr fo dgoo iikw aaeegmmnnt. < 1486423806 0 :alercah_!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423829 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ntbaojiwgxvkjizl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423893 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alakra: hellorcah. haven't forgotten you about Feb 12. the instructions will be available probably tomorrow. < 1486423897 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1486423982 0 :zgrep_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsjwpngfmauhcwvm JOIN :#esoteric < 1486423996 0 :gsora_!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora JOIN :#esoteric < 1486424003 0 :cnr_!~connor@2a01:4f8:201:7482::2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486424029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah, alercah_, not the other tabconfusable one: Feb 12. it isn't forgotten. < 1486424066 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-txpgpjpiuyrgqduh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424066 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424066 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424066 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424067 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424067 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424067 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctsylkhqpcxkpegf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424067 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otluqkwqaebswdie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424067 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486424068 0 :cnr_!?@? NICK :cnr < 1486424069 0 :cnr!~connor@2a01:4f8:201:7482::2 QUIT :Changing host < 1486424069 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1486424076 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486424148 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1486424229 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1486424605 0 :zgrep_!?@? NICK :zgrep < 1486425291 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DISCONNECTED CHICKEN < 1486425519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486425565 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486425864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append dwfo http://thedwfo.org < 1486425866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'dwfo': DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra. http://thedwfo.org < 1486425917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1486425927 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486425947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd dwfo//s[.] /, / < 1486425949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 17: unterminated `s' command < 1486425965 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd dwfo//s/[.] /, / < 1486425967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwfo//DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra, < 1486425990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd dwfo//s/$/./ < 1486425992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwfo//DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra, . < 1486426269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1486426270 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 062350Z VRB05KT CAVOK M02/M10 Q1035 RMK WIND 670FT 15017G29KT < 1486426384 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486427528 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486427579 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1486428521 0 :alercah_!?@? NICK :alercah < 1486428887 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :wlp1s1 < 1486429451 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486429588 0 :thegreylady!~thegreyla@ip68-108-83-2.lv.lv.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486429597 0 :thegreylady!~thegreyla@ip68-108-83-2.lv.lv.cox.net PART #esoteric : < 1486429607 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486429956 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ntbaojiwgxvkjizl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486430159 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-htyqoxkzuthplkgx JOIN :#esoteric < 1486430541 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486430677 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnqypeijwqeyyddr JOIN :#esoteric < 1486431254 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486431279 0 :doesthiswork1!?@? NICK :doesthiswork < 1486431397 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486431428 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a neighbor just tried to register her phone with my computer < 1486431512 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486431787 0 :doesthiswork!?@? NICK :doesntthiswork < 1486431830 0 :doesntthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PART #esoteric : < 1486432202 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486432300 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d5fa:37eb:d4a:82a9 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486432544 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486432569 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486434889 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486435315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is the second americna civil war scheduled for? < 1486436361 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486436637 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486436795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486439345 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486441276 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Did you allow it then steal all her shit? < 1486441312 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Sometime this year, I think. < 1486441442 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what programming languages are out there that have a type system whose power level is on par with Haskell and Scala? < 1486441470 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML? < 1486441491 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and its family, such as Ocaml) < 1486441550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :organic caml < 1486441611 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing some neural net software in Scala and I'm wondering if I should move to a different language. < 1486441628 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Ωcaml < 1486441651 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala is treating me pretty well. I think if I were to do what I'm doing in, say, F#, it would just break down and cry. < 1486441664 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also, are Haskell and Scala's type systems' power level... over 9000? < 1486441689 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a funny answer to that question. < 1486441713 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Probably something regarding proof ordinals? < 1486441724 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1486441743 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: yes. In fact, their power level is an ordinal number which cannot be proven to exist in Peano arithmetic. < 1486441851 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: (a) Are proof ordinals applicable in this context [probably yes] (b) Have the proof ordinals of Haskell and Scala's type systems been found (c) Are they particularly interesting ordinals, or just a "whatever" ordinal (d) what are they? < 1486441859 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and (e) are they the same? < 1486441883 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) dunno (b) see (a) (c) see (b) (d) see (c) (e) see (d) < 1486441967 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All righty, lemme see. < 1486441981 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML doesn't have typeclasses, but it has "modules", which feel familiar from Scala and Coq. < 1486442016 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A module can contain type and function definitions, but it can also contain abstract types and abstract functions, to be filled in later by means of inheritance. < 1486442027 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala traits have the same property. < 1486442031 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do Coq modules. < 1486442275 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess my main alternatives here are probably Haskell and the dependently typed ones: Coq, Agda, Idris. < 1486442846 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486443089 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486443318 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486443787 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486443796 0 :fowl!uid209700@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sdzvkjyhuadnxfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1486444254 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486445123 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486446950 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486448249 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486448773 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486449041 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486449333 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486449581 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486451301 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486451865 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486452146 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486453569 0 :mecha_ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486454554 0 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.5 < 1486454573 0 :haavard!haavard@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1486455810 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486456087 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486456519 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486457172 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486459480 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486461272 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486461989 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486462284 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486462720 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnh642msuy2le.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486463252 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486463513 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486466889 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486467476 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486467477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :costume//Costumes are used for cosplay. Taneb sometimes invents them. < 1486467810 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits life < 1486467812 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän < 1486467953 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? life < 1486467954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1486468037 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486468319 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486469859 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frucdsaqqdcmtgvu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486470370 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMET CHICKEN < 1486470902 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufssdamygmskodrk JOIN :#esoteric < 1486471897 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486471919 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486471998 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486472082 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Client Quit < 1486472254 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486473194 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-htyqoxkzuthplkgx QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486473269 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qzqymolynqvmuelq JOIN :#esoteric < 1486473313 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist < 1486473314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found < 1486473334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist 153 < 1486473334 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found < 1486473420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually looks like an interesting one < 1486473479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think it's wrong < 1486473829 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1486473829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :183) Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past? Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors" < 1486473831 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1486473831 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing Can Stop Me Now < 1486473838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1486473839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fate of the Flammable < 1486473854 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1486473855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n Additoin. \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: CARROT CACOA CHILI CHICKEN \ Categories: Beverages, Fish, Sauces \ Yield: 4 Servings \ \ ----------------------- \ 2 lb Ground pork; lightly beaten \ 1 tb Heavy cream \ 1/2 c Milk \ 2 tb Canned cooked pineapple, chopped \ 1 ts Cinnamon \ 1 ts Baking < 1486473861 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1486473862 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v8.05 \ \ Title: CONELLY SAUCE CAKE \ Categories: Cakes, Chocolate, Meats, Beverages \ Yield: 4 Servings \ \ 2 c Chicken broth \ 2 tb Sesame seeds \ 1 tb Parsley, dried \ 1 ts Vanilla extract \ 2/3 c Lite red pepper sauce \ 2 ts Vanilla extract \ 1 ts Ground cinnamon \ 1/4 ts Pepper \ 1/8 ts Pepper \ Brown sugar \ 2 tb Sugar \ 1 < 1486473869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1486473870 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Sprigs of diced \ Sour cream \ -chopped onions \ -about 2 oz. salt \ Gined orange peeling skin \ -2 tbsp. \ 1/4 ts Black pepper \ \ Combine the milk, the tomatoes, banana, and salt in a small bowl, mix together the pepper and salt and \ pepper. Whisk in the coconut. Reduce the heat and simmer, uncovered, 20 \ minutes. Stir in remaini < 1486474568 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name for that general scheme for representing algebraic types in untyped lambda calculus? < 1486474875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the one where you represent a tuple (x,y) by (\f.fxy) and you represent (Left x) by (\f.\g.fx) and (Right y) by (\f.\g.gy) < 1486475336 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486475537 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnh642msuy2le.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486475603 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486475832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486476561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/xk* < 1486476562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/xk*: No such file or directory < 1486476783 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: church encoding or scott encoding (they're different when the types are recursive) < 1486476975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i may be confused about the differences < 1486477282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wikipedia's scott encoding article is confused. < 1486477593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the church encoding article only looks at limited examples, and seems to contradict the scott article for lists. < 1486477716 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think the problem amounts to "church encoding is much more complicated for general recursive data types) < 1486477721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*") < 1486477913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerhan: thanks < 1486477966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe they differ in how they define the algebraic data types that they are trying to encode? < 1486478009 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, church encoding needs to know how a type occurs recursively in itself, in order to create well-typed representations < 1486478057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while scott encoding doesn't bother with that, so treats constructors as not caring what's put into them < 1486478128 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... though just from that, church encoding could still be a special case of scott encoding < 1486478167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. there's only one scott encoding for a type. < 1486478289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see! < 1486478327 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_encoding#List_encodings , lists are encoded in some strange way, as tagged stuff rather than enums < 1486478343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, that article is really confused. < 1486478355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a well-typed representation at all. < 1486478356 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood why they'd do that in lambda calculus < 1486478390 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can understand why you'd encode enums as a tagged struct in some languages < 1486478396 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not in lambda calculus < 1486478398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right fold representation is the well typed one. < 1486478489 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1486478499 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one pair version is a cute hack < 1486478513 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_encoding doesn't even seem to tell how to encode an arbitrary algebraic type in lambda calculus < 1486478522 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in directly < 1486478524 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1486478554 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just encodes Lists and some other types, though of course there are ways to encode algebraic types as Lists < 1486478596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem is, that to many people, "church encoding" is just a general term for any way of encoding stuff in lambda calculus. < 1486478604 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1486478608 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way < 1486478617 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that article is written from that viewpoint. < 1486478700 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how there's Gödel encoding, which encodes statements of some logical system as natural numbers, and it works by first writing the statement as a list of characters from some character set, and then encodes that list of characters to a number? < 1486478718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a long time I didn't understand why they encode a flat list this way, rather than some recursive structure < 1486478721 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I found out < 1486478747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1486478771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does my initial question make sense about why this is a flat list, as opposed to a parse tree? < 1486478777 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell the solution afterwards < 1486478785 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and i have a guess at the answer... < 1486478812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that peano arithmetic or whatever isn't powerful enough to recurse into such a structure. < 1486478826 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, something like that < 1486478859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this encoding is used to show that proof is definable in a particular weak system < 1486478913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that system is Robinson arithmetic, which is a crazy weak logical system < 1486478944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other guess is that gödel just didn't think of doing it that way, and it works with characters. < 1486478956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both may be true simultaneously, of course. < 1486478959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robinson arithmetic is so weak that you can't really prove anything in it, < 1486479009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Gödel himself isn't too relevant here, he's the first one who did this and so his name is used, but people later defined other versions of the encoding and still used flat lists < 1486479043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robinson arithmetic has a language that has addition and multiplication < 1486479045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not power < 1486479051 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess robinson arithmetic cannot do exponentials, which is sort of essential to nesting the construction. < 1486479062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, it is not even obvious why you can manipulate flat lists with it < 1486479073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why you'd choose to work with such a crazy system < 1486479081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you don't just choose one that has lists built in or something < 1486479098 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it turns out there's some crazy trick that lets you define lists in Robinson arithmetic < 1486479145 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486479181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets define getting the nth element of a list < 1486479184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you choose to work with it because you want to find the weakest system where gödel's theorem works < 1486479188 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can also quantify over all elements of the list < 1486479224 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486479229 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can express a statement that something is true for all adjacent pairs of elements of a list, or similar < 1486479259 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't directly let you express that something is true for all elements of a tree, except by going through flat lists < 1486479303 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define cons, car, cdr if you want, but you can't directly state a statement that something is true everywhere on a tree, so you can't define whole tree transformations < 1486479317 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do anything with a tree too of course, but only by using lists first < 1486479330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since they have to use lists in first place, they didn't go on < 1486479356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1486479382 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe, though "weakest" is somewhat subjective < 1486479405 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is at least one system that is neither weaker neither stronger than RA that you can also use for this < 1486479448 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say you _could_ find the weakest system, i said you _wanted_ to hth < 1486479453 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1486479469 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yes, there is some reason to use that system < 1486479479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some similar system with the same problem < 1486479628 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you use another system, you'll probably run into this same problem < 1486479661 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you have a system that has first-class lists, unless it has something like a crazy multi-level tree indexing primitive or something < 1486479906 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486480059 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnh642msuy2le.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486480080 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486480654 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the one pair encoding is sourced from tromp's paper < 1486480839 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3df6:cf40:ad46:e51c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486481117 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3df6:cf40:ad46:e51c QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486482592 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486482851 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486483310 0 :greenlight!~gre@de-2.serverip.co JOIN :#esoteric < 1486483375 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR the "crazy trick" is just based on the fact that there are finite arithmetic sequences of pairwise coprime numbers of arbitrary length (and size of numbers), plus the CRT. < 1486483466 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... basically f(a,b,c)[n] = c % (a + b*n) can encode arbitrary finite lists < 1486483729 0 :Vampz!~c01@174.45.63.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486483743 0 :Vampz!~c01@174.45.63.2 PART #esoteric : < 1486484606 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, something like that < 1486485667 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3df6:cf40:ad46:e51c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486486057 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufssdamygmskodrk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486486642 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486487051 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :/haɪ/ < 1486487107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: /baɪ/ < 1486488862 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486489847 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486490103 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486490231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486490290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50856&oldid=50511 5* 03Osuka 5* (+173) 10 < 1486491135 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486491711 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486494813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486495537 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486495891 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486496089 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3df6:cf40:ad46:e51c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486496358 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486497099 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486497371 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486497501 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486497819 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486497844 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486497847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I use Kubernetes to manage jobs and things? < 1486499077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄𝔄 < 1486499079 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸 < 1486499103 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an email of someone who understands techspeak < 1486499120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a customer suport < 1486499434 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcybmzvopaxqjhxt JOIN :#esoteric < 1486499675 0 :greenlight!~gre@de-2.serverip.co PART #esoteric : < 1486499900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486500075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It sounds kuul. I think you should. < 1486500092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you? < 1486500110 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really managing anything. < 1486500182 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486500244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also upon further reflection, I don't think I really want monitoring as such, mostly because I don't have anything that gets traffic. I think I'm more interested in just making up arbitrary long-term time series that can then be turned into those wiggly lines, and the monitoring/alerting aspect is more of an afterthought. And that's why I'm using InfluxDB instead of Prometheus. < 1486500254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read those threads about long-term storage in Prometheus.) < 1486500267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1486500311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't want to join, I guess, is the other constraint. < 1486500354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of query language should you use for querying time series databases? < 1486500359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should invent a good one. < 1486500387 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess first you should stop working at your current employer, so that you can release it. < 1486500512 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure the query language should be inherently time-oriented. < 1486500530 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of scow, Bazel doesn't have proto_library either. < 1486500544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't specify that it should be. < 1486500561 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it have? < 1486500588 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an objc_proto_library, which is documented in be to have "proto_library dependencies", but there's no proto_library. < 1486500619 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a proto_lang_toolchain, which "Specifies how a LANG_proto_library rule (e.g., java_proto_library) should invoke the proto-compiler", but there's no java_proto_library either. < 1486500640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try https://github.com/pubref/rules_protobuf < 1486500645 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually AIUI it does in fact have built-in rules for java_proto_library and friends, but they're undocumented and not working correctly.) < 1486500695 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/blob/master/tools/build_rules/genproto.bzl < 1486500765 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're supposed to open-source the real proto_library and java_proto_library and such, but it doesn't have those yet. < 1486500794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried writing some Buck macros for protoc ones but it was kind of scow. < 1486500848 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no equivalent of Scowlark < 1486501039 0 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:2cc1:8446:6439:54fa QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486502447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Finianb1 5* 10New user account < 1486502879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486502979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486502983 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.rt.com/usa/376621-trump-korea-putin-crimea-waters/ < 1486502988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :US congresswoman thinks Putin is invading Korea kekekekekekekekeke < 1486503257 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crimea, Korea? < 1486503273 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486503350 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and this morning Nancy Pelosi called Trump "President Bush" < 1486503372 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that either Bush deserves that kind of insult. < 1486503393 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she wishes "Jeb!" was the president < 1486504114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50857&oldid=50852 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+169) 10 < 1486504171 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50858&oldid=50857 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+17) 10 < 1486504295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50859&oldid=50856 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+181) 10Add a Quine < 1486504308 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50860&oldid=50859 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+1) 10/* Quine */ < 1486504354 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486504609 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486504626 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/shellcode/ethical hacking/, cute < 1486504648 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(second edit of the last four) < 1486504861 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486505642 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kek < 1486507058 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcybmzvopaxqjhxt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486507097 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486507546 0 :brandonson!~g8p8@thetis.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1486507546 0 :brandonson!~g8p8@thetis.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Client Quit < 1486508081 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnh642msuy2le.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486509108 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486509815 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486509824 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486509832 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1486509832 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 072321Z 05021G27KT 4SM -SN DRSN SCT015 OVC025 M10/M13 A2975 RMK SC3SC5 PRESFR SLP080 < 1486510071 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486510140 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/VLenin_1917 < 1486510184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenin was too good < 1486510198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be a revolutionary like lenin < 1486510237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by following this account and the others linked to it, you can see the russian revolution reenacted on Twitter < 1486510277 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RT_1917 < 1486510323 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :да здравствует партия! < 1486510468 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1486510567 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1486510676 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you embrace any political ideology? < 1486510676 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: any where eof=0 and cells wrap ( at 8 bits) by char < 1486510691 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: playing it safe. < 1486510691 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: lots of extras. is easier to match brackets on < 1486510704 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course, I say. < 1486510705 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i haven't cited these because i don't understand how to program without becoming a rainbow < 1486510728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486510732 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boily: i haven't cited these because i don't understand how to program without becoming a rainbow < 1486510732 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then launch fnord with mutalisks and zerglings to keep defenses busy while mutalisks bombed from above < 1486510734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1310) boily: i haven't cited these because i don't understand how to program without becoming a rainbow < 1486510757 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellfnørdjan. < 1486510820 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486510918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helłily. < 1486510951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo doerjan < 1486510963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whachaf? < 1486510975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg, oerjan < 1486510983 0 :staffehn!~quassel@staffehn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486511071 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486511079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay̼ < 1486511420 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're a 4r8a9i11n12b13o4w < 1486511420 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: only that it wasn't absolutely bios dependent < 1486511461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot isn't 04a08b09s11o12l13u04t08e09l11y 12b13i04o08s 09d11e12p13e04n08d09e11n12t? < 1486511462 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in the same way as bfbasic) so far < 1486511474 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486511758 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486512104 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486512236 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: HELLORCAH! ALERCAHELLO! WHARGHARBL! GHARHGHRHGHGHBLBLBLBLFLFLFLFL! < 1486512320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives boily a heimlich maneuver so he can cough up that mahjong tile < 1486512358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486512359 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION projectiles the tile across the room < 1486512923 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486513513 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486514388 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486514389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xml//XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)" < 1486514791 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486515151 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saw a news item that Hans Rosling had died and is a bit sad. < 1486515623 0 :Aretasya!~Aretasya@41.142.2.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486515745 0 :Aretasya!~Aretasya@41.142.2.161 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486515983 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486515989 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486516079 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486516281 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486516358 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 622 seconds < 1486516429 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qzqymolynqvmuelq QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486516529 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rglvxhnzmtesfgzt JOIN :#esoteric < 1486516568 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486516783 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486516895 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486517228 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486518561 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486519682 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell alercah hellorcahello. Baobab, 4800 Wellington H4G 1X2, Feb 12, 12pm. < 1486519682 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486519688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first world problem: someone at the grocery shop put a bread of the cheapest kind in a bag for one of the fancier ones (3-4 times the price) < 1486519754 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1486519780 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will yakuman you into oblivion, just watch me :P < 1486519785 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: confirm it's in verdun? < 1486519799 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. either de l'Église or Verdun station, your choice. < 1486519814 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is terrible! < 1486519864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as bad as when they don't manage to bake it properly, anyway. < 1486519917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as that time i found a rusty screw inside, i may have told that on the channel < 1486519918 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many summers ago I worked the boulangerie at a supermarket. exactly 100% of what was sold came flash frozen in cardboard boxes. < 1486519936 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486519976 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bletch. < 1486520065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, was the screw back when i was still at university < 1486520089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i told it to someone else, presumably. < 1486520132 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486520193 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486520267 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perenello. < 1486520444 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesso < 1486520853 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CRIMSON CHICKEN < 1486521036 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486521107 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : How's you doin, boily? < 1486521497 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: NNNZZZite < 1486521793 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486522107 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1! < 1486522128 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeg! < 1486522132 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anorw EKRPAT < 1486522137 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adu! < 1486522159 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1486522169 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what EKRPAT means < 1486522212 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tomorrow is a huge office meeting < 1486522222 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to get the most out of it < 1486522242 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means either one of two things: (1) powerpoint presentations, < 1486522263 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (2) woopie cushions < 1486522288 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm torn < 1486522500 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: It's DVORAK in DVORAK < 1486522526 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Can you do a powerpoint presentation ON woopie cushions? < 1486522533 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1486522634 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably be 1 hours of CEO talking, and 30 minutes of inter-mingling, lunch, then where did everyone go? < 1486522693 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually set my defualt keyboard to Dvorak for about 6 months < 1486522762 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was using Emacs the whole time, and I was on Dvorak with Modifier Qwerty mode, so I could never make the switch, because of Emacs < 1486522893 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm considering setting my mouse to polar coordinates, just to see what happens < 1486522913 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I would have to send -B to send -X to emacs, and I don't know emacs at all, it's all in my muscle memory, so while I was successful in training my mind to type in Dvorak, I couldn't train my Emacs muscles to think in Dvorak < 1486522921 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololololololol < 1486523043 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486523043 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486523298 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I started writing a book about HTTPS < 1486523311 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it will take me 175 years < 1486523333 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm explaining the implementation of HTTPS in MMIX assembly < 1486523464 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486523469 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486523503 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of calling it "The Art of Web Connections" < 1486523509 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486523581 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486523829 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486524321 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486524461 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486524843 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486525283 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1486525286 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486527228 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486527486 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486530872 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486531137 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486531272 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486531660 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1486532425 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486533126 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Quit: Iovoid has quit! < 1486533126 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit ... < 1486533608 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486534522 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486534781 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486536083 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486536361 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486536699 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50861 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+6314) 10Created page with "Here's my take on this (~~~~):
BF is one of the most well-known esoteric languages. It is a simple language based on a Turing machine, and, with 8 instructions, i..." < 1486536766 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50862&oldid=50861 5* 03Challenger5 5* (-8) 10 < 1486537376 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486537405 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D < 1486537422 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I may have created the original page. < 1486537436 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do Norwegian fonts usually support an 'fj' ligature the same way English fonts support 'fi'? < 1486537561 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486538178 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486538433 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486539149 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486539832 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486541823 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486542090 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486542177 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486543262 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486543401 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1486543523 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486543683 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486543721 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone help me identify this byte sequence: 22 22 22 ea 11 22 < 1486543763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded a list of statistical information from Google Books; specifically, a list of the most commonly used words and punctuation marks in English < 1486543784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently the third-most commonly seen punctuation mark, after " and . < 1486543787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just above - < 1486543842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only 8 words are more commonly seen (the, of, and, to, in, a, is, that); it's more common than "was" < 1486543939 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's particularly concerning because the rest of the file appears to be in UTF-8 < 1486543985 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486545473 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486545745 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486546413 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's strange < 1486546438 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so < 1486546460 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double quotes make it look like it's a double quoted form of 22 EA 11, but that doesn't explain anything < 1486546552 0 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486546591 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the file have invalid utf-8 or unexplained control characters elsewhere? if so, those could help < 1486546602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I've noticed < 1486546645 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try grepping for it? < 1486546715 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that now < 1486546741 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid utf-8 is hard to grep for, so I'm grepping for ASCII control chars < 1486546782 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nowhere else < 1486546792 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it appears right at the start of a file that's otherwise in alphabetical order < 1486546814 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's at the start of the file? < 1486546818 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it different < 1486546830 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be some sort of header rather than an actual entry < 1486546834 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it appears on multiple lines of the file < 1486546843 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the file was in frequency order < 1486546845 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1486546846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file's sorted alphabetically and then by year < 1486546855 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this appears for a number of different years, at the start of the file < 1486546859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486546868 0 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486546874 0 :Guest66676!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486546879 0 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486546879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's very much formatted like an entry < 1486546886 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just massively invalid < 1486546887 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could be a real entry that's alphabetically the first according to some collation < 1486546912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it probably is first < 1486546913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it appears multiple times for years... that's strange < 1486546920 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is the second letter of the alphabet, after all :-P < 1486546934 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486546937 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's hard to explain how it comes before just a quotation mark, since it's a suffix < 1486546946 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ! and " are in different files, with the split between files being arbitrary) < 1486546966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486546986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no more control characters... ok < 1486547004 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is \x11, anyway? vertical tab? < 1486547010 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486547011 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1486547033 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't explain the unmatched \xea < 1486547081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for non-utf8, you can search with iconv -f utf8 -t utf8 < 1486547090 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will find the first invalid utf8 < 1486547095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to drop these lines < 1486547148 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547148 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547148 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547148 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547149 0 :alakra!~alakra@admin.angelolakra.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547149 0 :Guest66666!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486547213 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486547406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's the only invalid utf-8 < 1486547466 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486548053 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486548082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1486548133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could perhaps be not a real word, but a proxy entry that stands for something, like all other words not listed in the file or something, but even then it's strange. You'd have to look near the source docs or ask other people who have used these files maybe. < 1486548726 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486549889 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know why, but in my copy (of the version 2009 Google Books ngram unigrams), that's 22 22 22 15 12 22 instead of 22 22 22 ea 11 22. < 1486549908 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but equally nonsensical? < 1486549930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, slightly less nonsensical as it is at least valid utf-8 < 1486549938 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I assume it's the "corresponding" entry; because it's the only thing containing a " other than the single ". < 1486549944 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea what it's for? < 1486549946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At the start of file -8.) < 1486550025 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, really. The files are "nominally" tab-separated CSV (in the sense that they have .csv in the file name), so it could've been the (equally nonsensical) 22 15 12 quoted, though the single " isn't quoted, so maybe not. < 1486550106 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, \x11 is DC1, not the vertical tab. (Vertical tab is 11 decimal, \x0b.) < 1486550116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1486550130 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an easy mistake to make when your ASCII table just says "11" < 1486550154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine actually lists the decimal and hex in different columns, I must have been looking at the wrong column < 1486550168 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make any more sense from the ASCII perspective as DC1, of course. < 1486550252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's us, I'd've expected something protobuf-related, but that doesn't really make sense either. < 1486550375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1486550376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486550392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to add something about liking wiggly lines. < 1486550405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that wisdom entry already has more than enough content. < 1486550422 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should add an actual wiggly line. I really like those in-line sparklines people do as well. < 1486550475 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in ▁▂▃▅▂▇? < 1486550487 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, there's nothing similar in the 2012 version of the dataset, at least in the "punctuation" or "other" categories. (It's split to files by first letter, not arbitrarily to files of equal size.) < 1486550522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most /useful/ split would probably be by frequency < 1486550536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you're more likely to care about the more frequent ngrams than the less frequent ngrams < 1486550544 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. Although maybe that's not so much of a "line". < 1486550566 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04▁08▂09▃11▅12▂13▇ < 1486550594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :▃█▅▅█▅▃▃▅█04▃08▃09▁11▅12▅13▃04▃08▅▁▁▃▃▃▃▃▅▃█▅04▁08▃09▅11▃█▃▁ < 1486550659 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it like ⣀⢄⠡⠢⠤⣀ is kind of nice as well, but cuts the vertical resolution to half. < 1486551345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get much better horizontal resolution when using a variable-width font, though < 1486551349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be enough to compensate < 1486551435 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486551454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting. < 1486551465 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486551700 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any esoteric database query languages? < 1486551825 0 :gsora_!?@? NICK :gsora < 1486551939 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, but there's one I was considering to make < 1486552171 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486552677 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486552751 0 :ffj-bot!root@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486552789 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1486552794 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1486553605 0 :lastpunisher!~lastpunis@93.178.178.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486553611 0 :lastpunisher!~lastpunis@93.178.178.54 PART #esoteric : < 1486554016 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486554017 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotton//gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. < 1486554041 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1486554042 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 081100Z 24003KT 220V300 7SM FEW004 SCT008 OVC020 M02/M03 A2929 RMK SF1SF2SC5 SLP922 < 1486554105 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486554114 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL < 1486554114 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 081125Z 27005KT 1/2SM R09R/4500VP6000FT BR OVC003 13/13 A2978 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 TWRINC T01330133 < 1486554126 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humid east coast. < 1486554189 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486554282 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPsn17_a8-g < 1486554445 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486554472 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō... < 1486555626 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486555895 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Clubby789 5* 10New user account < 1486556391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50863&oldid=50858 5* 03Clubby789 5* (+217) 10/* Introductions */ < 1486556405 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50864&oldid=45685 5* 03Clubby789 5* (+0) 10/* Nested loops */ < 1486556440 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CASTOR CHICKEN < 1486556447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50865&oldid=50864 5* 03Clubby789 5* (+2) 10/* Nested loops */ < 1486556476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50866&oldid=50865 5* 03Clubby789 5* (+1) 10/* Nested loops */ < 1486556690 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a software that automatically renders graphs like that < 1486556713 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/grph.c.htm < 1486556939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017Feb08Wed12:29:30UTC ~$ ~/grph <<<'1 2 3 4 5 3 5 6 7 2 1' ▄█ < 1486556939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄█ ███ < 1486556940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄███████▄ < 1486556982 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄█ < 1486556982 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄█ ███ < 1486556983 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▄███████▄ < 1486556987 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1486557811 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weaywfjiamcwiybb JOIN :#esoteric < 1486558901 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486559166 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486559395 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486562432 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486564037 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486564181 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486564191 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1486564731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486565485 0 :Bowserinator_!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1486565489 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1486565489 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1486565914 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486566152 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486567803 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits gotton < 1486567805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil̈y < 1486567821 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily who is Solain, anyway? < 1486567821 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486567839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp solain < 1486567846 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1486567855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -i solain < 1486567856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goat:Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. \ gotton:gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. \ Binary file reflection matches < 1486567871 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits goat < 1486567873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil̈y oerjän < 1486567883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt goat < 1486567884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3619:2013-09-03 mv wisdom/goat{s,} \ 10137:2017-01-15 learn Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. < 1486567897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before goat < 1486567898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486567902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1486567919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 3619 wisdom/goat < 1486567920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details. < 1486567927 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? goats don't drink tea? < 1486567934 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits goats < 1486567936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän Rouj̈o < 1486567954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Roujo is involved < 1486567977 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goat < 1486567978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. < 1486567983 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goats < 1486567984 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. < 1486567992 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boat < 1486567993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486567995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt gotton < 1486567996 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3607:2013-09-03 learn gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. < 1486567998 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moat < 1486567998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486568010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? doat < 1486568011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486568059 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oat < 1486568060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486568069 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat wisdom/doat < 1486568071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486568075 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oats < 1486568076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oats? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486568094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a description of this dowg family if commands somewhere? < 1486568103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hoag < 1486568104 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. < 1486568122 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? only three of the letters are variable? that's simpler than I thought < 1486568132 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1486568138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprits < 1486568139 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1486568164 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cwlprits < 1486568165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cwlprits? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486568169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1486568176 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many letters change in that one? < 1486568182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one < 1486568341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn culprits//c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY < 1486568343 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'culprits': c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY < 1486568362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me to how in svn, the three commands blame, annotate, praise are aliases. you use svn blame to find who did something bad, but svn praise to find who did something good. < 1486568385 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is pessimistic, it doesn't come with a praise command (though you can define an alias in your config). < 1486568427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*lpri* < 1486568428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/culprits < 1486568478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, svn comes with several aliases out of the box, most of which are abbreviations, whereas git comes with few or none. < 1486568622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1486568623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1486568640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like command, which has the aliases DEL=ERASE, MD=MKDIR, RD=RMDIR, CD=CHDIR. I have no idea why it has built-in aliases like that. does anyone happen to know? < 1486568664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has PATH and PROMPT command for setting particular environment variables < 1486568703 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if they made that executable in modern times when you don't have to squeeze every byte of space from your operating system executables so that more stuff fits on a floppy < 1486568937 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486568958 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486569364 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless perhaps PATH and PROMPT are somehow historically earlier than the environment; I don't know if DOS 2 already has the environment) < 1486569529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486570753 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486570764 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486570779 0 :Guest61445!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486571490 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1486571493 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki down again? < 1486571508 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fizzie: the esolangs wiki are down < 1486571519 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wanted to add an article < 1486571530 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it already exists) < 1486571567 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486571623 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please fix the wiki! < 1486571627 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :half an hour gone? < 1486571638 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you sound a bit impatient < 1486571654 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, because I found an actually interesting esolang out there on the internets < 1486571661 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to start an article about it < 1486571696 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486571709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today there are two comments on a postcard < 1486571713 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1486571725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs galore < 1486571764 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: huh? < 1486571772 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you know about postcards? < 1486571773 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do the curly-braces do? i don't know; none of those is because my ipod was stolen and i can't believe i actually dread watching movies, but the point of < 1486571791 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'll take your word for it < 1486571792 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: stop harassing her water bottle.) < 1486571798 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/ < 1486571897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both of them are about bugs. < 1486571913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, wiki seems to be up now < 1486571937 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that sounds like suspiciously specific denial < 1486571937 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: fnord/ 221 cpuinfo kallsyms stat exam holding their hand in front of icecube... uh, never mind < 1486571949 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1486571952 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486572021 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's too meta for me. < 1486572031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders when fizzie will get tired of manually fixing the wiki bridge < 1486572042 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: *MWAHAHAHA* < 1486572127 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confirmed there's no article about this esolang yet. I'll try to create it later this evening < 1486572187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's The Esolang Which Must Not Be Named and b_jonas will never be heard from again ) < 1486572239 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( But the chat log will remain... is this all a prank, reinacting a `postcard` episode on #esoteric? ) < 1486572256 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reenacting? < 1486572276 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks better. < 1486572351 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( metacozza ) < 1486572480 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? meta < 1486572488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta is about < 1486572784 0 :Guest66676!?@? NICK :Guest6666 < 1486573181 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it a basilisk language, or a more bloody mary sort of scenario < 1486573271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i'm not going to look at it < 1486573344 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly Alpine doesn't have that many actual settings to fiddle with < 1486573347 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of those are simply "make email work? [x] yes [ ] no, fuck it up" < 1486573439 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think i could spend much time adjusting alpine < 1486573532 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( fiddle with the source code then ) < 1486573541 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or adjust your window manager < 1486573550 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much time, pray, have you spent on that font of yours? < 1486573555 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pray tell* < 1486573597 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that postcard image won't load? < 1486573626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, irregular webcomic also updated twice < 1486573633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *MWAHAHAHA* < 1486573655 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486573682 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :\ < 1486573708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the obvious solution is to turn his font into a mail program. running in lisp. < 1486573719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (there never was one) < 1486573754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no image? why not? < 1486573755 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean, that *is* an image. < 1486573766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is < 1486573767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/comics/comic.png < 1486573784 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't understand why to use it < 1486573804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, technically. people have been asking dmm if it wouldn't be better to make it an actually broken image, but he disagrees. < 1486573807 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's even more "too meta" for quintopia than it is for me :) < 1486573813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you think < 1486573829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i suggesting looking at the FAQ link hth < 1486573840 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the author's note the only part that's supposed to be interesting < 1486573858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was it about? i've left the page) < 1486573879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep < 1486573903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's one exception, an april fool's page from way back) < 1486573917 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does an autobiography at age 16 have to do with postcards < 1486573978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now reload hth < 1486573985 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the idea is that you're supposed to imagine what the image contained. but that seems like too much effort for passive internetainment < 1486574027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not imagining that much. well, i guess i'm slightly curious about what Blackdrip looks like. < 1486574129 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The hardest part of making panel 4 was, I kid you not, getting my graphics software to draw a circle. You'd think this would be a basic function of any graphics program." < 1486574145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dmm warned that today the comics would be updating an hour late because of server maintenance. i guess things turned out worse. < 1486574164 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=1487 ... guess how I found this particular one < 1486574211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there _is_ a Random button. < 1486574247 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that wouldn't make a fair puzzle < 1486574282 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing would make it an interesting puzzle < 1486574361 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well it wasn't meant for you but for our resident CDOP victim. < 1486574389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. it's the first comic of the first author alphabetically. < 1486574389 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :compulsive doing of puzzles? < 1486574398 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly < 1486574400 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ocdp < 1486574401 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocdp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486574407 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdop < 1486574407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order. < 1486574417 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my second guess < 1486574427 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except we just call it CDO...no idea what the p is for < 1486574434 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"personality" < 1486574470 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( surely i cannot be the only resident CDOP victim ) < 1486574473 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mentioning it was obviously a hint < 1486574476 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's there because three-letter acronyms sound unprofessional and cozy. < 1486574536 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's because OCD and OCPD mean different things. < 1486574542 0 :prooftechnique_!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Quit: ZNC http://znc.in < 1486574546 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, i'm certainly not one. I knew one in high school though. Seemed pretty awful. My dad claims to be, but definitely isn't. < 1486574588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually diagnosed with either, mind you. afaik. < 1486574596 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486574624 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh they are different. the guy i knew was OCD, not OCPD. < 1486574679 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad may very well be OCPD... he certainly is obsessed with control of his environment < 1486574692 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sees this at right and proper < 1486574903 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Some (but not all) studies have found high comorbidity rates between the two disorders' <- "comorbidity" is new to me. < 1486575299 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, the maintenance isn't until tomorrow. hm. < 1486575318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps something went wrong with dmm's plan for _how_ to get it updating tomorrow. < 1486575504 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow QC is getting DARK with this transhumanist drama < 1486575769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't check it for severl weeks and wut is this < 1486576106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why you're bringing it up now that the story arc is pretty much complete < 1486576755 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486576772 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486576859 0 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486577833 0 :Herbstkind!~s1feha@ip4d16fc5e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486578931 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weaywfjiamcwiybb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486578944 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjkytuftskybtnqu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486578944 0 :fowl!uid209700@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sdzvkjyhuadnxfix QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486579235 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nljihgzxtopnkepc QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486579254 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kaivhsshysmuwhpv JOIN :#esoteric < 1486579416 0 :Guest61445!?@? NICK :augur < 1486579507 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486579509 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsjwpngfmauhcwvm QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486579509 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohcgqgiitonmmcqu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486579545 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rglvxhnzmtesfgzt QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486579619 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pkfagohqyisgptqf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486580544 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Quit: ZNC http://znc.in < 1486580594 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486581996 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntpzbgcchsbuvzev JOIN :#esoteric < 1486582151 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486582337 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1486582340 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486582630 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dygbuhwqxhyodgls JOIN :#esoteric < 1486582657 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486582870 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486582979 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejhpgmkkddtdtkce JOIN :#esoteric < 1486583046 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486583277 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utfnkacdfjrbgcyi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486583290 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PART #esoteric : < 1486583975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1065 < 1486583975 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1065: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1486584062 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486584202 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you have any esoteric database query languages? ← does Q count? < 1486584212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, possibly. < 1486584247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WireFly < 1486584249 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's part of kdb+, implemented in k I believe) < 1486584272 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-74.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486584295 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486584302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn K or something? < 1486584321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn APL. < 1486584342 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486584357 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL has a nicer character set, J comes with lots of batteries included, K is kind of to APL as scheme is to lisps < 1486584362 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot more minimalistic < 1486584392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, any language in that family. < 1486584396 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also differs fundamentally in some ways from APL/J, e.g. its basic unit is heterogenous lists instead of homogenous rectangular arrays < 1486584397 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure < 1486584404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it alter my thinking about things? < 1486584405 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I dunno < 1486584408 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say so < 1486584425 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that is the main reason for learning an array language < 1486584463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I start writing my C software like http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Essays/Incunabulum ? < 1486584499 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kparc.com/edit.k is pretty good, I guess. Fits on one page. < 1486584526 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably won't start writing C like that unless you're mad < 1486584528 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I cannot rule out < 1486584550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1486584551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. < 1486584555 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1486584568 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame it was censored. < 1486584570 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits mad < 1486584572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän nitïa < 1486584587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i http://slbkbs.org/kj-sanity.txt < 1486584590 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APLQA.htm has some fun anecdotes < 1486584632 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The k binary weighs in at about 50Kb. Someone asked about the interpreter source code. A frown flickered across the face of our visitor from Microsoft: what could be interesting about that? “The source is currently 264 lines of C,” said Arthur. I thought I heard a sotto voce “that’s not possible.” Arthur showed us how he had arranged his source code in five files so that he could edit any one of < 1486584632 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :them without scrolling. “Hate scrolling,” he mumbled.' < 1486584671 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure AW's approach to C is the best < 1486584678 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he sure does like golfing :p < 1486584709 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just golfing or is it a different way of thinking about programming that naturally leads to shorter code? < 1486584770 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with e.g. the J incunabulum, some of the defines do make decent sense < 1486584874 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on if you look at the C or the APL-family code… but with APL-family code you end up with a lot of folds and similar, and it often makes sense to solve problems by constructing arrays and folding it in different ways < 1486584937 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486584970 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The go-to example is probably the GoL-in-APL video, which computes an array of the 9 different ways to shift the 2D field (including an 'identity shift') and then sums those subarrays up < 1486584977 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 this video, I mean < 1486584988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthur was quite taken with the fact that +.× in Dyalog APL and J are faster on sparse matrices. On Friday morning he talked to me again about it, and asked to see benchmarks on 1000-by-1000 matrices with densities of 1 and 0.1. < 1486584996 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested that he could also do this because as I recall k does +.× row at a time rather than the traditional row-by-column. < 1486585004 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a minute later, Arthur said, OK, I have it, and showed me the changed code — he’d inserted if(a) into the middle of a dense pack of characters. I quipped that that indicates he isn’t following the TDD methodology, and that he’s only proven it correct but not tested it. < 1486585014 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a) < 1486585022 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololololololol < 1486585617 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns to golfing < 1486585996 0 :fowl!sid209700@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pbqtclhrfnqxzvgy JOIN :#esoteric < 1486586120 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486587390 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5ae:3b47:a21a:5143 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486588355 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486588379 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486588417 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange's parser is even more stupid than I thought. If it sees a bare url surrounded by double quotes or angle brackets, it believes that the closing double quote is part of the url. seriously. < 1486588675 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486588939 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486589046 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486589082 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486589129 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486589201 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486589376 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486589392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1486589393 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1486589398 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nooga < 1486589399 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1486589402 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: wtf < 1486589617 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: I for one think the fi ligature is overused. a lot of fonts have an fi ligature when they shouldn't have one, and the ligature looks way uglier than the combination of the two characters (with possibly some kerning) would look like. I think they add it for signaling only, to show it's a "professional" font. < 1486589653 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486589720 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486589734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fowl < 1486589735 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486589738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What are you golfing? < 1486589750 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep fowl < 1486589753 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4609:2014-04-25 addquote one day we\'ll be able to put evil people inside mirrors and throw them into space like superman 2 < 1486589755 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially bad when they add a single width fi ligature to monospaced fonts < 1486589763 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a raymarcher demo for http://js1k.com/2017-magic/ < 1486589772 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's down to 1033 bytes currently < 1486589779 0 :fowl!sid209700@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pbqtclhrfnqxzvgy PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1486589794 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unfortunately not the most interesting demo :\ because it only renders a static image < 1486589803 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :still fun though < 1486589977 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486589979 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1486590291 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486590307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486590766 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejhpgmkkddtdtkce QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486592626 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486592734 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: neoletters is a proffessional font < 1486592772 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :proffissional, even < 1486592780 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1486592802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a finely made one < 1486592807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FOREIGN FUNCTION INTERFACE < 1486592846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone alias ㋌ hg < 1486592896 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode has a lot of inherited garbage < 1486592906 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :㏑㏒㏓ < 1486593013 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one day I'll run ㎰ -ꜷ < 1486593106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most blatant garbage in my opinion is ₯ which in most fonts has a glyph that was never used for anything. < 1486593125 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in greece, or anywhere else for that matter < 1486593250 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my font I replaced it with the vertical delta rho ligature which is attested in greek price tags < 1486593645 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, ₷ is almost unattested < 1486593682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your build system doing today < 1486593693 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you wait 4 hours to build your program < 1486593761 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heh < 1486593836 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there's a lot of crazy currency signs that are barely used, which totally makes sense, because in most places, people use only one currency, so the price tags don't need to display any currency sign at all < 1486593851 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also various currency abbreviations made of two or three letters < 1486593878 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486594298 0 :Herbstkind!~s1feha@ip4d16fc5e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486594365 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486594391 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486594652 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486595172 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486595343 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486595373 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486595422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486595557 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486595558 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuisine//Cuisine is the posh cousin of cooking. < 1486595565 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1486595565 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 7h 42m 24s ago: who is Solain, anyway? < 1486595598 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan hellørjan. a dude from Israel with a strange goat fixation, IIRC. < 1486595598 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486595763 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical < 1486595864 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486595865 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-module//D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1486595870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's kind of scow how grwp always finds reflection < 1486595877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose reflection is the identity of wisdom < 1486595881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basic grwp theory < 1486595903 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can reflection reflect on anything else besides itself? < 1486595940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that survives a flecting can be reflected < 1486595961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reflog anything that survives an initial flog < 1486596019 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486596170 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flect flog flect flog flect flog ♪ < 1486596288 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no I jsut started the build. I'll check tomorrow morning whether it passed < 1486596301 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grwp ta[n]eb < 1486596308 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp ta[n]eb < 1486596316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cumin:Cumin is a quantum tanebvented spice, only if it doesn't involve sex. \ taneb:Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but c < 1486596455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget cumin < 1486596457 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1486596485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1486596490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. \ browser//A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents. \ `words//The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von < 1486596493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486596494 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. \ yeeesh//See yeesh. \ ^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. < 1486596518 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeesh < 1486596519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486596526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeesh < 1486596526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeeesh. < 1486596529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeesh < 1486596530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeesh. < 1486596535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp yee < 1486596537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches \ yeeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeesh:See yeeeeesh. \ yeeeeesh:See yeeeesh. \ yeeeesh:See yeeesh. \ yeeesh:See yeesh. < 1486596549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits yeeeeeeeesh < 1486596551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsweẗt < 1486596555 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yeechain should be yanked. < 1486596647 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, one of those is my wisdom < 1486596792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; for f in *; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done < 1486596823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ < 1486596828 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1486596840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits < 1486596841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs < 1486596847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hoag < 1486596847 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlnp --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" < 1486596851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hlnp < 1486596852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[ Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits < 1486597866 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote so many stupid wisdomes that they come up often in random wisdoms < 1486597869 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :アアアAAA亜亜亜 < 1486597888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Why did you write stupid wisdoms? < 1486597917 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's because I didn't understand, and still don't understand, what counts as a good wisdom < 1486597936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here you say that your wisdoms are stupid. < 1486597948 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are, in retrospect < 1486597957 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like most of them < 1486597975 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out what oerjan counts as a proper wisdom and what he doesn't < 1486597977 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I forgot: 아아아아아 < 1486597980 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just just added wisdom/life < 1486598611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486598703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, you suggested it but not add it for some reason. < 1486598725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*did not < 1486598751 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I didn't add it because I didn't think it would make a very good wisdom < 1486598770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1486598797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i thought it did, anyhow. < 1486598801 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? life < 1486598802 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1486598875 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486598906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp [a]lways? < 1486598908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486599126 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486599167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1486599167 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 59m 29s ago: hellørjan. a dude from Israel with a strange goat fixation, IIRC. < 1486599180 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdoms are organic. they grow, they wither, they lignify, they get Tanebvented... < 1486599188 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1486599190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spasiboily. < 1486599246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening, Mr. Johansen. < 1486599264 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get mixed up: is it Johansen or Sørensen? < 1486599289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with the / in it is more authentic-looking. < 1486599296 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it must be that. < 1486599328 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidus advice. < 1486599346 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shæchaf -----### < 1486599374 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the heck do you get sørensen from, anyway < 1486599400 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe the wisdom body shouldn't have the "said Marvin" part, but only what Marvin said < 1486599403 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's prototypically more danish than norwegian. < 1486599563 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused since April 2015, and I can't remember why... < 1486599577 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where the fungot he got that idea from < 1486599578 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's actually a pretty smart bot. ok. 8. ok, he doesn't.)" you < 1486599626 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, did you tell boily that Sørensen or Johansen? < 1486599627 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the slovak name is fnord and it seems rather useless < 1486599639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there, it's slovak, not norwegian < 1486599770 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery cleared. oerjan is secretly Slovak, with a Danish prototype. < 1486599796 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486599889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :šôcking < 1486600350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssb seems to have made it harder to find the surname statistics < 1486600381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, Sørensen is the 25th most common. < 1486600401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Johansen remains second) < 1486600420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how common is my surname < 1486600449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's from 2013 as well. < 1486600461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not very common hth < 1486600501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jooerjan hansen < 1486600545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: according to ssb, there are fewer than 4 persons with the name Ben-Kiki hth < 1486600584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which includes the possibility 0) < 1486600589 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway < 1486600597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. < 1486600650 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :poochsen < 1486600727 0 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486600781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://forebears.co.uk/surnames?q=Ben-Kiki < 1486600817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are 110 of you < 1486600873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=796bHaAtlkE#t=1m hth < 1486600943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of me, two of me, three of me, four of me, five, six, seven?! / sorry, no more of me < 1486601109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1486601143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like a heffalump or a woozle < 1486601376 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :wlp1s1 < 1486601561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, have i missed a previous olist < 1486601605 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/17.02.01 ? < 1486601654 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1486601685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stupid brain saw that, and didn't register it as a proper one i guess < 1486601777 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did your smart brain do < 1486601852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :panic hth < 1486603153 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486603240 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1486603243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shachaf: 7 in Finland. < 1486603248 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My last name is super duper common < 1486603287 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a competers name eh < 1486603291 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forebears.io/surnames/watson < 1486603294 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer < 1486603324 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, very common in Jamaica < 1486603348 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scotland < 1486603610 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486603795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITL people are being stupid with HackEgo < 1486603822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well its an elementary surname < 1486603825 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1486603835 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITL? < 1486603846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in these logs < 1486603921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is people me < 1486603923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i thought making `spam cycle around when it hit the end would be _less_ confusing, but no... < 1486603926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only a few mistakes < 1486603932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and \oren\ < 1486603940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1486603946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i jammed up hlnp < 1486603991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know hg log cared about which directory you ran it from, anyway < 1486604009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1486604023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; cwlprits hoag < 1486604025 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486604034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits hoag < 1486604035 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/cwlprits < 1486604035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :culprits "wisdom/$1" < 1486604036 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän < 1486604052 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean, you thought it always resolved paths from the root? < 1486604055 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486604113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering why weren't using cwlprits until b_jonas tested it < 1486604117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*why you < 1486604134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pro-dropper < 1486605454 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486605455 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredom//A boredom is like a kingdom, except ruled by a bore. They don't tend to last very long before people revolt. < 1486605466 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a boring person, I approve. < 1486606146 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: LETHARGIC CHICKEN < 1486606331 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486606375 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486609265 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486610299 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of an odd feeling to find abandoned channels with notices, topics, expired domains, and chanserv just watching over it in case anyone returns < 1486610398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ozymandias < 1486610478 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll get right on it and register the channel < 1486610542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashtag ozymandias < 1486611017 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486611054 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486613048 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486613387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486615382 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486615382 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486619053 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486620056 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1486621800 0 :Akaibu_!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whzvtgxihugvqwtg JOIN :#esoteric < 1486621989 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utfnkacdfjrbgcyi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486621989 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dygbuhwqxhyodgls QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486621989 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486622001 0 :Akaibu_!?@? NICK :Akaibu < 1486622014 0 :zgrep_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve JOIN :#esoteric < 1486622023 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486622299 0 :zgrep_!?@? NICK :zgrep < 1486622316 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486623050 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486623548 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486623601 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486626088 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a JOIN :#esoteric < 1486626149 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does mike wazowski blink or wink < 1486630466 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486630992 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486631973 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zeti8n49id6ytb.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486633638 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.savagechickens.com/2017/02/lucky-day.html slowsand < 1486634858 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whzvtgxihugvqwtg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486636864 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486637614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the design of mathml seems to be entirely screwed up < 1486637660 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to figure out some crazy workarounds since I want to be able to use it < 1486640033 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486640212 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486640213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :denial//Sorry, but we don't know anything about denial. Taneb most definitely did not invent it. < 1486643350 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SPRINT CHICKEN < 1486644660 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwtujaloxugquykc JOIN :#esoteric < 1486645547 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486646996 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486646997 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486648377 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486648378 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486648832 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486649043 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486649044 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486649457 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486649458 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486649654 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddutqpdmfclfflvw JOIN :#esoteric < 1486649869 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486649869 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486650294 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486650295 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486650515 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are really funny I will have to see if I can use them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_theory_of_relativity#Philosophical_criticism < 1486650623 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classical concepts of space, time, and geometry were, and will always be, the most convenient expressions in natural science, therefore the concepts of relativity cannot be correct < 1486651107 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pkfagohqyisgptqf QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486651113 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kxkixmqhtseyqece JOIN :#esoteric < 1486651183 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486651188 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1486651213 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloony < 1486651238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486651277 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1486651322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloony. i have the feeling i haven't seen you in a while. < 1486651369 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you havent :p < 1486651373 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent been on in a while < 1486651415 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been helping wiggle develop the discord bot Beemo, i forgot about IRC for a bit. < 1486651543 0 :planoldjames!~charles@64.64.117.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486651631 0 :planoldjames!~charles@64.64.117.30 PART #esoteric : < 1486651910 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486651925 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1486652194 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486652195 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486652618 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kaivhsshysmuwhpv QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486653056 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukqzqpgadggablzk JOIN :#esoteric < 1486654349 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvhdixwctrkesqgg JOIN :#esoteric < 1486654581 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it called the equiv to conception contraceptions but for pauses, you know so you dont get pregnant ones? < 1486654802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly "tact", but it doesn't work for e.g. disaster news < 1486654962 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a JOIN :#esoteric < 1486654971 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486655055 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read somewhere in StarTrek Fanfiction: "A whole Tribble tribe of pregnant pauses followed that statement." < 1486655134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit of an overuse :P < 1486655577 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a JOIN :#esoteric < 1486655611 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of tribal tribbles < 1486655631 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( would tribble facts be tribialities? ) < 1486655656 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tribbles with spears... < 1486655708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: colette seemed briefly to agree with you on the crowding < 1486655858 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwtujaloxugquykc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486656294 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought so too. < 1486659015 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486659015 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486659034 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486659417 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486660098 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486660141 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lownzfkjfjhxhksz JOIN :#esoteric < 1486660798 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate being bipolar, it's awesome < 1486660900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D OKay ;_; < 1486660978 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RT_1917/status/829723022227554305 < 1486661222 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486662606 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:54c0:38ee:3eab:f34a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486662778 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486662969 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :German submarine warfare poses unacceptable threat to 'freedom of the seas' - President Wilson tells Congress #ActOfWar < 1486663224 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486663395 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486663869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486664358 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486664999 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486665034 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486665501 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486665515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486665619 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486668649 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486668732 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486668916 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: may I say that that sounds wonderfully terrible... < 1486670639 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486670679 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486671064 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.myfancy: points -27.93, score 3.76, rank 47/47 < 1486671074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1486671079 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:guard//The guards are immune to electricity. They're humans in rubber pig suits. They're insulated. \ vwwwl//Vwwwls wrw w swgn wf wnswffwcwwnt wwsdwm. \ forty//Forty means "in a fort-like manner". \ skeleton//A skeleton is an unintelligent undead, similar to the zombie but harder to create, because it's lacking most of the body. The b < 1486671091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486671092 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:est skeletons are made by groups of people, so-called skeleton crews. \ patent//Patent is an adjective which means that something is painfully obvious. Often used to rightfully mock people that do not see it. < 1486671105 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/spam < 1486671106 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line="${1-$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(wc -l /hackenv/tmp/spout | awk '{print $1}')"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line /hackenv/tmp/spline < 1486671142 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486671181 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( skeletons are a by-product of creating a politician or any other kind of spineless human ) < 1486671224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which politicians are spineless today < 1486671237 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, s/or any other kind of spineless human/or other spineless creatures/ < 1486671278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits skeleton < 1486671280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e int-̈e b_jonäs < 1486671296 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing about spineless politicians is that they're not memorable at all. < 1486671365 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the thing someone linked the other day about APL characters. < 1486671413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Pike < 1486671419 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓ Spike < 1486671424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍋ Pine < 1486671435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⍒ Spine < 1486671458 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lownzfkjfjhxhksz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486672020 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :m ← +/(3+⍳4) < 1486672029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did your build go < 1486672037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make the build system good yet < 1486672038 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it suceeded < 1486672055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for a celebration < 1486672058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should ⍳ be inline with + and - < 1486672063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not every day you manage to successfully build your software < 1486672077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and test < 1486672083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1486672086 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :once in a lifetime < 1486672092 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tests all passed too , imainge that < 1486673222 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486673499 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting into new kernel < 1486673634 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486674824 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kxkixmqhtseyqece QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486674869 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-solybjsjwoeptict JOIN :#esoteric < 1486675912 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I remember Pike (...) Spine thing as a couple years ago instead of a couple days ago < 1486675925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was yesterday that it was linked. < 1486676041 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486676699 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486676944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486677342 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp dilation < 1486677344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1486677358 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dilation < 1486677359 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) insufficient time dilation. try running faster. < 1486677399 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 < 1486677400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1286) I couldn't help thinking that maybe if one considers the ramifications in full detail it will turn out that overthinking is often not helpful and therefore, not something to be proud of. < 1486677414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 < 1486677415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1301) fungot is here int-e: may cause extreme loss of appetite! may cause severe diarrhea and vomiting! < 1486677422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 < 1486677422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 < 1486677422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1283) int-e: all right...ill try not to think about your mind. best of luck with it < 1486677423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 < 1486677423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1283) int-e: all right...ill try not to think about your mind. best of luck with it < 1486677424 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1225) (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!))))) < 1486677492 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still true. < 1486677641 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486678063 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote \oren\ < 1486678064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1223) when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? apparently not santa claus Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1224) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause problems by < 1486678087 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 quote < 1486678088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:447) the classic "souls have mass" hypothesis < 1486678096 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 quote oren < 1486678097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/4:1223) when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? apparently not santa claus Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1224) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause probleï < 1486678101 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486678101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/4:½ï½“ by being hilarious \ 1234) is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be... [...] Ohh.... so apparently the jar says one scoop of powder per mug, I assumed an equal amount of powder and boiling water \ 1247) int64_t is too long a name It used to b < 1486678104 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486678105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/4:e too long long, but now it's just too long. \ 1248) I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea \ 1257) <\oren\> also the letter omega is now known as wubbleyou <\oren\> it's a cuddly doubleyou \ 1260) \oren\: If I were me, I wouldn't even let you be a /passenger/ on a /normal/ airplane \ 1261) < 1486678108 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486678109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/4: <\oren\> the upside down command module does mean that the pilot can see the ground while landing \ 1262) <\oren\> scientists can apparently research things even while rotating 30 times a minute \ 1266) <\oren\> i don't actually knwo the details, but i want those responsible, whoever they were to be punished < 1486678158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY! the spam spam thing split a unicode charater into bytes!!!! < 1486678245 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat spam < 1486678246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: spam: No such file or directory < 1486678252 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/spam < 1486678252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line="${1-$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(wc -l /hackenv/tmp/spout | awk '{print $1}')"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line /hackenv/tmp/spline < 1486678336 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know awk, does it suport unicode? < 1486678401 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not awk which is doing the splitting, it's Python. < 1486678408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sport < 1486678408 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore '' "${2-1}" < 1486678412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/distort < 1486678412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=336 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = ' \\ '.join(f.read().splitlines()) \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N] < 1486678425 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut, python doesn't suport unicode? < 1486678435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports it, but that program operates on bytes. < 1486678453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since bytes are what counts in IRC line lengths. < 1486678470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can improve it if you want to. But make sure it stays correct with regard to byte count. < 1486678480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should round down to the nearest unicorn character < 1486678486 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unicode < 1486678488 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486678495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also handle invalid UTF-8 correctly, I guess. < 1486678517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to improve it? < 1486679289 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486679418 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486680982 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▃▃▄▄▅▅▆▆▆▇▇▇▇█████████▇▇▇▇▆▆▆▅▅▄▄▄▃▃▂▂▂▁▁▁▁ < 1486681293 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rift in the fabric of space < 1486681300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know? ❸ ③ ➂ ➌ are all different unicode characters < 1486681313 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reminds me of LOOM) < 1486681358 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486681363 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486681366 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10⏨10⏨10 < 1486681392 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486681393 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486681464 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486681474 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486681475 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat//Fats are one of the four basic classes of nutrients. The other three are sugars, coffee and alcohol. < 1486681492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486681513 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zeti8n49id6ytb.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486681598 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486681631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486681693 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486682003 0 :iaglium!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486682109 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/randcard.c < 1486682124 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/randcard.c.htm < 1486682167 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program has a fatal bug < 1486682186 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you see the fatal bug? < 1486683152 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. fatal as in crash, or fatal as in doesn't work as expected? < 1486683839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: as in defeating the purpose of the program < 1486683970 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a uniform distribution. < 1486684075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/256 for the first 48 cards, and 4/256 for the last 4. < 1486684099 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. the 🃚🃛🃝🃞 are less likely to occur < 1486684264 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, however, a great chance to use a do-while statement where the body isn't a block. < 1486684276 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks so weird. < 1486684295 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :do x = fgetc(ur); while (x >= 4*52); x %= 52; < 1486684323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even look like C. < 1486684406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486684443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1486684444 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1486684482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s,@,ass-@, < 1486684483 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your wise ass-@messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1486684526 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486684534 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe be jonas < 1486684556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that seems to have been one of randall's earlier hobbies. was it the first? < 1486684563 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what if i put the body in paerns < 1486684580 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do(x=fgetc(ur));while(x>=4*52); < 1486684596 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1486684600 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do(x=fgetc(ur)); < 1486684606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(x>=4*52); < 1486684619 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello, hellochaf, hellørjan. < 1486684623 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ass-messages? < 1486684628 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it look like two separate loops < 1486684662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a lot like that even without the parentheses, to be fair. < 1486684698 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't decide which one looks sillier. < 1486684744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486684811 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(x <- 1) < 1486684830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :else if(x <= 1) < 1486684834 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. If there's an esoteric programming language that has two names, because the original name clashes with the name of a later non-eso programming language, but later got renamed, presumably to avoid this clash, then which name should I use to refer it on the esowiki? < 1486684893 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas. the new one, citing the previous name. < 1486684926 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok < 1486685004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it was randall's first hobby < 1486685015 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the largest dot in unicode? < 1486685028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just checked all the first 37 xkcds, including hovertext < 1486685058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x <~- 1) is to (x < 1) as (x < 1) is to (x <= 1) < 1486685173 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :something larger than • < 1486685176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: "The Unicode standard does not define glyph images. -- The Unicode standard does not specify the precise shape, size, or orientation of on-screen characters." hth < 1486685179 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ● is pretty big < 1486685236 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. mine is bigger: ⏺ < 1486685255 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks but my terminal doesn't render it... < 1486685265 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486685283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ⏺ is much smaller than ● in my font, which sort of proves the point. < 1486685287 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :●⏺•・. < 1486685303 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: █ should be the biggest < 1486685312 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a circle < 1486685320 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a dot or whatever < 1486685324 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :🔴 < 1486685331 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :◾ < 1486685331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if that even got through.) < 1486685344 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did, but for some reason it's red < 1486685351 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid emoji < 1486685359 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have to be a circle? < 1486685364 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said dot < 1486685380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🔴 < 1486685381 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F534 LARGE RED CIRCLE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 b4 UTF-16BE: d83ddd34 Decimal: 🔴 \ 🔴 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1486685385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be red. < 1486685389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking for "large". < 1486685395 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :🀙 < 1486685402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/sWtMq < 1486685447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🞉 < 1486685448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F789 EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 9e 89 UTF-16BE: d83ddf89 Decimal: 🞉 \ 🞉 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1486685464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from the name, that ought to be either pretty big, or at least very dense. < 1486685470 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fon't doesnt have that one < 1486685471 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⬤ < 1486685472 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE] < 1486685479 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1486685499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, why doesnt my fon't have it < 1486685509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 <-- shuf -n 1 hth < 1486685523 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf fingers why are you putting the apostrofe there < 1486685539 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only six X-X-X-Xtreme characters, and they're all EXTREMELY HEAVY symbols (white circle, white square, greek cross, saltire, five spoked asterisk, six spoked asterisk). < 1486685605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ < 1486685605 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1486685610 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the cheap person buy for an engagement ring? U+1f798. < 1486685610 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRGH < 1486685631 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this look? http://i.imgur.com/Iwpjjo3.png < 1486685633 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remind \oren\ ⬤ < 1486685633 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1486685660 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: off centre < 1486685672 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't fix that < 1486685718 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: try using ・ for the grid < 1486685726 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486685742 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of . < 1486685754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we talked about http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16185-go-symbols.pdf once. < 1486685774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo lambdabot: @tell \oren\ ⬤ < 1486685775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @tell \oren\ ⬤ < 1486685775 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486685791 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486685803 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: better? http://i.imgur.com/wwlb7B3.png < 1486685808 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It even includes the EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE. Synchronicity.) < 1486685816 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1486685824 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll keep the old one < 1486685851 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :black K 17. < 1486685857 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's white's turn < 1486685880 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i think the root problem is that you don't have a font that supports those characters with a fixed with < 1486685883 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :width < 1486685897 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it was black's, k17 is meh < 1486685963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *quot* < 1486685964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5quote \ addquote \ allquotes \ delquote \ pastaquote \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ quote \ quotenums \ quotes \ quoth \ randquote < 1486685977 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :win my font ・○● would work perfectly together < 1486685980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/randquote < 1486685981 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ quote "$@" | shuf -n 1 < 1486685986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1486685997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/randquote < 1486685998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3013:2013-05-31 sed -i \'1i#!/bin/bash\' bin/randquote \ 3012:2013-05-31 echo \'quote "$@" | shuf -n 1\' > bin/randquote \ 3011:2013-05-31 chmod +x bin/randquote \ 3010:2013-05-31 echo \'quote $1 | shuf | head --lines=1\' > bin/randquote < 1486686010 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/win/with|in/ < 1486686034 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I may have missed counting a stone >_>'... and I stand by K17. dubious moves are best moves. < 1486686093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1486686094 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :962) I think pastaquote should just quote me < 1486686097 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with my font you could use ➊➋➌➍➎➏➐➑➒➓➀➁➂➃➄➅➆➇➈➉ to show numbers < 1486686498 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486686881 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be pretty cool < 1486687157 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486687223 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486687326 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486687385 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486687408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486687853 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486687855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin//copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. < 1486688043 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486688122 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486688239 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486688376 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486688440 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Quit: ZNC http://znc.in < 1486688622 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how capable is copresident of being pumpkin? < 1486688635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin for copresident < 1486689268 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkins taste good. < 1486689276 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't < 1486689331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball do pumpkins taste good? < 1486689331 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certain. < 1486689345 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is boily wrong? < 1486689345 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I see it, yes. < 1486689352 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeh... < 1486689382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is 8ball consistent? < 1486689382 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a doubt. < 1486689388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have it < 1486689964 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486690143 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you consistent? < 1486690143 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1486690147 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1486690178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't need consistency < 1486690178 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ' been busy'. < 1486690191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :' sure you have'. < 1486690203 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1486690204 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: jun 30 fnord bistromath fnord: client fnord: zone transfer ' gehennom.org/ in' denied < 1486690215 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, no sentience tonight. < 1486690232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: whence bathyspheres? < 1486690232 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's too difficult. :-p help would be appreciated < 1486690311 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the only google hit for that phrase is me asking fungot the same thing in 2008. < 1486690312 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for 30 years esoteric exists in outer space. sometimes they kidnap people." there? < 1486690329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is fungot consistent? < 1486690330 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no such factoid i added every user on this channel. < 1486690330 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486690367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think i got it from someone's .sig, way back. < 1486690389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but google doesn't give usenet results... < 1486690500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grepping my Mail directory gave nothing, although i think some of the oldest files are zipped. < 1486690577 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an eldritch horror from outer space? < 1486690578 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://rafb.net/ fnord) returns a computation whose value is the tick they expire. bought a domain or something else. < 1486690613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you try google book search hth < 1486690639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Whose money are you using to buy "domains or something"? < 1486690639 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there really wouldn't be needed as you say, that it has a " poop on toast", as you < 1486690678 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot makes a good point < 1486690679 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: " partially" i noticed my book _is_ listed on amazon. < 1486690737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://books.google.com/books?id=enmvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA93 hth < 1486690757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now i did. still no results with quotes. < 1486690778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one i linked is only off by one letter < 1486690813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not what i'm looking for. < 1486690853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Is it what oerjan is looking for? < 1486690854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is. < 1486690902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKEPTICAL < 1486690929 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486690975 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1486690997 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486691007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Should oerjan be skeptical? < 1486691007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will not be necessary. < 1486691365 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486691367 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486691367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :output// < 1486691407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is oerjan getting suspicious? < 1486691408 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is slowly becoming the case. < 1486691525 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks shiftily at oerjan < 1486691638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball will oerjan swat me for this? < 1486691639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems plausible. < 1486691728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg output < 1486691730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5880:2015-08-02 revert \ 5879:2015-08-02 rm wisdom/output \ 3516:2013-08-28 touch wisdom/output < 1486691910 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the revert? < 1486691928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there must have been a reason. < 1486691935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very suspicious. oh no... < 1486691973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In addition to asking fungot that in 2008, you also asked the channel in general in 2011. < 1486691973 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was the decision to use c... oh wait. continuations probably not in the book-box. < 1486691997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: google didn't show that < 1486692003 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't know why. < 1486692026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tunes has robots.txt. < 1486692105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/dAMb < 1486692143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google found one IRC occurrence but not the other. < 1486692189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair it's always been spotty. < 1486692335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball does oerjan recall correctly? < 1486692336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it. < 1486692346 0 :Generic!~GenericWh@203-113-215-25-static.TCS.netspace.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1486692368 0 :Generic!~GenericWh@203-113-215-25-static.TCS.netspace.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need help with school Survey https://goo.gl/forms/Vut15Gyx19HXm81u1 < 1486692390 0 :Generic!~GenericWh@203-113-215-25-static.TCS.netspace.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486693729 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GLEAMING CHICKEN < 1486695009 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1486696407 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1486696455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate fonts where Θ looks like Ⓗ < 1486696508 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode Ⓗ < 1486696508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+24BD CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H] < 1486696528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode Θ < 1486696528 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0398 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER THETA] < 1486696567 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I should fix the appearance of Θ in my font, it looks weird < 1486696567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to have one < 1486697457 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mesages-lod < 1486697457 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo said 3h 14m 42s ago: ⬤ < 1486697476 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⬤ < 1486697477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE \ UTF-8: e2 ac a4 UTF-16BE: 2b24 Decimal: ⬤ \ ⬤ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1486698452 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486698659 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/cligo1.mp4 spammy preview of my go client < 1486698788 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486698838 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486699456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486701259 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486702113 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1486705293 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486706216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I already complained that the growth rate of the test time is going to be n^2 with the number of features implemented < 1486707006 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/cligo2.mp4 spam spam and more spam < 1486707864 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϐϑϰϖϱϒϕ < 1486707887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϐ ϑ ϰ ϖ ϱ ϒ ϕ < 1486707895 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1486708520 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486708555 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486708835 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486708930 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1486709241 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like an interesting theorem you're working on there. < 1486711424 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486711956 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486712753 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486713225 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486717598 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486717634 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486718150 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486719336 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddutqpdmfclfflvw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486720827 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hyzgjoozsayhtswv JOIN :#esoteric < 1486721434 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486721761 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zeti8n49id6ytb.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486721870 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486721898 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486723206 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486723381 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486724598 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486724801 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486726406 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486726642 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486726644 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary unit//The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love < 1486729207 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blink.sh/ < 1486729214 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH I started to write an article about an esolang, but I can't just make it a stub, it's getting long and there's still a lot of things I have to write about, even though I'm not trying to give a complete description in any sense. < 1486729223 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy it for $20 on itunes, or you can compile it yourself < 1486729225 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :for free < 1486729236 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spend an afternoon trying to build it before giving up < 1486729248 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This happens with EVERY esolangs, which is why I have like ten esolangs on my TODO and can't just create short stubs for them that juts direct people to the right place. < 1486729301 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this happens to some other people too, but damn it's annoying. < 1486729487 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TERMINAL CHICKEN < 1486730667 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zeti8n49id6ytb.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486730780 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfpw5yydzy843j.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486730824 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486731937 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486735230 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486735935 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukqzqpgadggablzk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486735953 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vtpdmukjdijqykol JOIN :#esoteric < 1486736231 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486738884 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486739688 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486739938 0 :thamus!~kvirc@0x3ec7fccd.kol.customer.dk.telia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486739956 0 :thamus!~kvirc@0x3ec7fccd.kol.customer.dk.telia.net PART #esoteric :"Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" < 1486740015 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486740180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg imaginary unit < 1486740182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6374:2015-12-11 le/rn imaginary unit/The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love < 1486740200 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a surreal number < 1486740604 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought i already hinted to you that the wiki bridge might be down, although admittedly that was _before_ anyone had made new edits... < 1486740633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and possibly before it actually went down, then) < 1486740764 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486740952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist < 1486740953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found < 1486740984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's 154, the number is a bit awkward to get to. < 1486741012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas < 1486741014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelistlist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas: shachaf < 1486741022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1486741024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486741034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1486741040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid syntax < 1486741045 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1486741047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1486741056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` makelist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas < 1486741058 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelistlist xkcdwhatiflist: shachaf < 1486741097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cat bin/makelist < 1486741097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cat: not found < 1486741103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1486741103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1486741165 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's mklist, not makelist < 1486741175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's definitely makelist < 1486741177 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat bin/mklist < 1486741178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/mklist: No such file or directory < 1486741180 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486741197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't remember that adding names required `` < 1486741197 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, makelist did work < 1486741207 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even triggered the makelistlist < 1486741279 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486741555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1486741556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" < 1486741579 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1486741580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486741591 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? make < 1486741592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486741593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? makelist < 1486741594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486741598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? listlist < 1486741599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486741601 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? list < 1486741602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list is a fun program that HackEgo has! Run it with `list and join the fun! < 1486741610 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1486741613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was actually just looking at the code to copy it < 1486741615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopïa Zarutiän jeffl3̈5 BlueProtomän fizzïe hppavilion[1̈] Phantom_Hoovër int-̈e b_jonäs boil̈y a`a`a`a`jo7äs a`a`a`a`jo8äs a`a`a`a`jo3äs a`a`a`a`jo6äs a`a`a`a`jo5äs a`a`a`a`jo4äs a`a`a`a`jo2äs a`a`a`a`jo1äs a`a`a`a`jonas̈0 a`a`a`̈a lambdaböt chicken_jonäs mynam̈e < 1486741717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/makelist//s,^,if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi;, < 1486741719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/makelist//if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi;name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1486741736 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist makelisttest hi ho < 1486741738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelistlist makelisttest: shachaf < 1486741746 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelisttest hm < 1486741747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelisttest hm: hi ho < 1486741762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1486741763 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1486741772 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/listlist < 1486741773 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ set -e \ export LANG=C \ cd /hackenv/bin;exec ls -dF *[lL]ist* < 1486741779 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486741797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISMPLE < 1486741810 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/listlistlist < 1486741811 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/listlistlist: No such file or directory < 1486741818 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelistlistlist < 1486741818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/makelistlistlist: No such file or directory < 1486741920 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/makelist//s,fi;,& , < 1486741922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/makelist//if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi; name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1486742040 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486742064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure spaces in list names are useless anyway < 1486742095 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486742104 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486742147 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486742155 0 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.232.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486742471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm should i have used && ) < 1486742583 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'I should have used &&. ' | sed 's/.*/&&/' < 1486742584 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have used &&. I should have used &&. < 1486742628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( now make it a quine ) < 1486742717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, if i had i'd probably have made error. < 1486742723 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that error < 1486742740 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do the words exist in my head bu not my fingers < 1486742745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also letters < 1486742761 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loads the muphry gun < 1486743128 0 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.232.108 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486743151 0 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.232.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486743286 0 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.232.108 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486743460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( shouldn't "at those low temperatures" be "at those low pressures" in the latest whatif ) < 1486743605 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486743754 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'" < 1486743755 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'" < 1486743784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1486743807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't actually expecting you to do it, but then this _is_ #esoteric < 1486743870 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's kind of cheating because it's relying on both bash and sed to do some of the work... but I'm not feeling bad about that) < 1486743908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quines < 1486743909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c \ cat \ ciol \ haskell \ perl \ python \ q \ q2 \ ruby \ slashes < 1486743911 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" < 1486743911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" < 1486743918 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 is nicer than 0x22 ;-) < 1486743928 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0o42 that is) < 1486743980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx quines/sed&bash//sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" < 1486743982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines/sed&bash < 1486743991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quines/sed&bash < 1486743992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" < 1486744052 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a quines directory? I have a few quines I wrote. many in perl or J, a few in C, two or three in sqlite, a few in other languages < 1486744054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1486744093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn mk//`mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. < 1486744095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mk': `mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. < 1486744102 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the quine < 1486744104 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in sed s command, and ampersand in the substitution text is replaced by the whole match of the regex < 1486744171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice quine by the way < 1486744175 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1486744178 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice quine < 1486744178 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thanks < 1486744231 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quines/haskell < 1486744231 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=putStr s>>print s;s="main=putStr s>>print s;s=" < 1486744265 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has the same basic structure to my mind) < 1486744274 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1486744386 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should collect all my quines somewhere, because currently I'm keeping them all around various wobsites and mailing lists and stuff, and keep having to search for them < 1486744477 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1486744511 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oerjan: the languages in the two entries I recently added to the esowiki, do they count as esoteric on topic stuff? < 1486744530 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't care if they count as languages, because the esowiki has non-language articles too. I'm asking if they're esoteric.) < 1486744576 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they count as background articles, at least < 1486744718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are about ten more languages I should write about, listed on my user page, but I'm lazy. < 1486744733 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, / / < 1486744756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what's polyunsaturated ) < 1486744971 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the original TAOCP advertises MIX with the tagline that it's "the world's first polyunsaturated computer", which is supposed to be a parody of margarine advertisments at that time, < 1486745009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a good guess, because even after 50 years, margarine is sometimes advertised by how it has unsaturated fats, which is healthy for your heart or something, < 1486745019 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except these days they also say it has trans fats. < 1486745048 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the descriptions of MMIX by Knuth play on this. < 1486745062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486745088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew the fat meaning, but didn't understand it was a joke < 1486745136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a hidden meaning about computer architecture, I don't think there is < 1486745159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the xkcd forum is already all over the temperature/pressure mistake < 1486745202 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, there's a second new xkcdwhatif? nobody told me < 1486745206 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw only 153 < 1486745210 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a 154 out < 1486745223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what did you think my makelist noise above was about :P < 1486745250 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly you weren't pinged by the original, because the list didn't exist yet < 1486745259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist 154 < 1486745260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdwhatiflist 154: oerjan b_jonas < 1486745261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE < 1486745280 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, have whatifs gone irregular? < 1486745285 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you add me to that list please < 1486745292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they have been irregular a long time < 1486745301 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did say `xkcdwhatiflist 153 back then. even if the program doesn't exist, someone might have set a watch/highlight on ^`xkcdwhatiflist in the channel directly < 1486745307 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: had a really long hiatus < 1486745309 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not followed xkcdwhatif updates in a long time < 1486745315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/xkcdwhatiflist//$aTaneb < 1486745317 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/xkcdwhatiflist//echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ oerjan \ b_jonas \ Taneb < 1486745320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1486745325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I assumed you made the list because of 153 < 1486745328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i shouldn't use that < 1486745337 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't there some canned command for that? < 1486745344 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo bin/add* < 1486745346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/addquote bin/addscowrevs bin/addtodo < 1486745353 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo bin/list* < 1486745353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've forgotten if so :P < 1486745354 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/list bin/listen bin/listlist < 1486745360 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1486745372 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people usually just use echo >> < 1486745383 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, echo >>foolist is the usual method < 1486745385 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to be clever but that pings < 1486745395 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sled pings < 1486745417 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`that < 1486745418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: that: not found < 1486745425 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scnr) < 1486745462 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, if you accept https://www.xkcd.com/397/ which says that Mythbusters is sloppy with its actual science, but still valuable because they teach the basic principle of experiments, < 1486745488 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the logical conclusion is that xkcdwhatif is completely worthless, since it is sloppy with its actual science and doesn't do experiments at all < 1486745552 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it creates excitement about science < 1486745573 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not worthless. it is a good basic primer in fermi estimation < 1486745584 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know it's not worthless < 1486745602 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you agree that 397 is wrong < 1486745617 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I believe 397 is correct but incomplete < 1486745623 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1486745627 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i did indeed see your `xkcdwhatiflist 153. although i had already seen the whatif itself, since i usually check it on fridays. < 1486745629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly much better than the unresearched fast media articles that http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174 describes, < 1486745636 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what you'd think from xkcd 397 < 1486745661 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on fridays? but it used to be posted on wednesdays originally, when it was regular < 1486745699 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main xkcd is sort of still regular: it is posted on almost every monday, wednesday, friday, but is often late < 1486745708 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to make the article about COMPLEX not a stub < 1486745721 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks more like it's posted tuesday, thursday, saturday and backdated these days < 1486745727 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irregular Webcomic updated an hour late yesterday! < 1486745731 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was distraught < 1486745751 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, esowiki question: < 1486745775 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to create an article for Knuth's MIX too, what should its title be, or what should the existing [[MIX]] get renamed? < 1486745799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scnr < 1486745800 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MIX (Knuth)"? < 1486745800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scnr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486745816 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but isn't Knuth's the one that deserves the unparenthisized title? < 1486745831 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the way we usually handle this taneb < 1486745844 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, background information is less important than an actual esolang < 1486745847 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: both should be parenthesized < 1486745853 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486745871 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, merge it into the article on MMIX, and move that to MIX and MMIX < 1486745885 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :see e.g. Clue (Keymaker) and Clue (Oklopol) < 1486745897 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think MIX and MMIX are an actual esolang, since they are intended for purposes other than writing production programs in them < 1486745926 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you notice that iwc (and also postcard) updated _twice_ on wednesday? < 1486745926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to perl, which has a much uglier designed, but was always intended for real uses < 1486745943 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, then are Scratch and BASIC esolangs also, as they are designed for education like MMIX < 1486745947 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I did not! < 1486745954 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, most irregular < 1486745970 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't think merging MIX and MMIX would be a good idea, they're so different (that's why there was a need for a new system in first place) < 1486745980 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good point < 1486745989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i do it on fridays out of habit because when i checked it on wednesdays it was often too early < 1486746000 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think BASIC wasn't only intended for education, but because they could implement it in very small microcomputers with small RAM < 1486746005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp too < 1486746013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1486746017 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget lisp < 1486746019 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC at least < 1486746026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about Scratch or Logo stuff < 1486746059 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, scratch _esolangs_? < 1486746074 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait wait, < 1486746095 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: way inbon the wiki naming issue please < 1486746100 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? twice? no way < 1486746104 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weigh in on < 1486746106 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a (derivative of (a programming language designed to teach children how to program without the issues of syntax)) intentionally designed to be >esoteric I totally missed the first one <-- perhaps you should make the forum thread for it, others may have missed it too (unless someone did since last i looked) < 1486746595 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so is the flame about temperature vs perssure about in 154 the phrase "ice isn't even stable at those low temperatures", or is it about the inaccuracies in 153 of the asymptotics when the hole is deep? < 1486746875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: postcard also updated twice. i don't quite remember about sromg. < 1486746893 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think dinosaur whiteboard did too < 1486746908 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't follow postcard, and I'm quite sure planet didn't double-post < 1486746932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the weekly ones didn't. < 1486746938 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you feedback about [[MIX]] naming? < 1486746953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think knuth's MIX shouldn't get the main name. < 1486746996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a flame, but it's the ice thing < 1486747006 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i haven't checked the other thread) < 1486747009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, what then? [[MIX]] disambig page? < 1486747039 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :([[x86]], [[GHC]], [[GCC]] have a non-eso and an eso meaning, that's different) < 1486747154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very firm on whether to use disambig page or hatnote. < 1486747215 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486747288 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to do slippery slope on this, by making a new esoteric language named Intercal, refuse to call it any other name, and demand that it gets the [[Intercal]] title because it's clearly more esoteric than Intercal < 1486747315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. < 1486747356 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I should do it with Brainfuck instead < 1486747359 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Intercal < 1486747958 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't make it a derivative < 1486748249 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. that would defeat the point < 1486748296 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the brainfuck derivatives, and there's an idea for an esolang I had wanted to make for a while, but the most elegant way I could make it is to make it a brainfuck variant, and I don't want that. < 1486748321 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a disambiguation page could be good idea < 1486748325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just make it an underload variant. < 1486748330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1486748411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: pretty sure you posted that in the wrong thread hth < 1486748419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I alto think that on the article for MMIX they should also be added the list of the instruction set. < 1486748428 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486748448 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. there wasn't a suitable one < 1486748456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bugs"? < 1486748461 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry? < 1486748475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a feature, not a bug < 1486748480 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1486748496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, posts in the Bugs thread tend to get deleted when DMM fixes the bug < 1486748499 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want that < 1486748505 0 :Cale!~cale@cpe-67-250-60-129.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486748514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make a new esoteric language named Intercal that gets the [[Intercal]] title, I think that should be fine as long as it also contains a link at the top to [[INTERCAL]] in case that is what you were looking for instead. < 1486748524 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't understand what you say about MMIX and instruction set < 1486748557 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean the table of the instructions should be included. < 1486748587 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486748595 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486748618 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could add one but why? < 1486748668 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To have more completion. < 1486748701 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point we should synchronize http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Languages , there are languages on one but not the other both ways, plus we should use the other categories to find all languages that are on neither < 1486748869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: feel free to edit the article if you want such a table < 1486748916 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1486749310 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``` < 1486749310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/```: No such file or directory < 1486749314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1486749315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl < 1486749327 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/1 < 1486749327 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\` "$@" |& sport < 1486749340 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rot13 < 1486749340 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1486749345 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48StcaCMtsg < 1486749360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/13//\` "$@" |& rot13 < 1486749363 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/13 < 1486749382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: commandlist hth < 1486749495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/commandlist < 1486749496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/commandlist: No such file or directory < 1486749501 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1486749540 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that implementation of Checkout for use with GPU should be made up and that standard names for exponents and trigonometry should also be added. < 1486749549 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`13 10 < 1486749549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/unpxrai/ova/`: yvar 4: 10: pbzznaq abg sbhaq < 1486749652 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe the eror mesage was rot13d < 1486749655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then to hope to be able to use it instead of ARB assembly and GLSL and so on. < 1486749691 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 aeiouy < 1486749692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nrvbhl < 1486749698 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first step to speling reform should be to eliminate useles duplicate leters < 1486749765 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1486749773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really quite amazing how close rot13 gets to a hypothetically pronounceable language given it preserves no vowels < 1486749778 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A preprocessor for Checkout will be needed in order to do it. < 1486749872 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that it would also mean you do not need a separate vertex program and fragment program, and perhaps some other stuff in OpenGL also then you won't need anymore. < 1486749882 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obfuscated programming questions. You know how buddy-blocked (twin) memory allocator pool work, right? All allocated and free blocks are aligned power of two gross sized, free blocks of each size are listed, two free slots get combined if they are the same size and would form an aligned block of one larger size, < 1486749909 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :allocation tries to get a block from the free list of the right size, if that fails, allocates a block one larger and frees half of it. < 1486749923 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Questoin: is there a fibonacci (rather than binary) version of this? < 1486749931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would it be to implement one? < 1486749985 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never heard of it, but ive implemented something roughly ewuivalent < 1486749989 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :very easy < 1486749992 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know < 1486750013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um, you've implemented the binary or the fibonacci one? < 1486750028 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people know about the binary from Knuth's book < 1486750033 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to make a fibonacci heapsort but i failed for some reason I can't recall < 1486750037 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very popular for some reason < 1486750044 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hehe < 1486750076 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive implemented a discrete fibonacci search, which involves dividing a range of integers into blocks of fibonacci size < 1486750080 0 :Cale!~cale@cpe-67-250-60-129.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486750090 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that might make sense, since there are quaternary heaps that are like binary heaps but with four children, and you could have ternary heaps and ternary triplet-buddy-block allocators. < 1486750100 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforming it into an allocation scheme seems not too difficult < 1486750124 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think it would involve the Zeckendorf representation of the addresses < 1486750143 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1486750154 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly speed up indexing < 1486750173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no < 1486750177 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want speed, just use the binary version < 1486750188 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fibonacci version isn't really better < 1486750224 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not comparing to binary < 1486750241 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im comparing to fibonacci without zeckendorf < 1486750251 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1486750350 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other question. You know the xor-coded list trick, right? Take a cyclic doubly linked list, but have nodes store only one pointer, whose value is the xor of the addresses of the previous and next nodes. List head and other iterators have two pointers to adjacent nodes. < 1486750369 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can work for trees rather than lists too: there, iterators have to store the parent. < 1486750374 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, binary trees. < 1486750437 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486750459 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1486750465 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my question is, can xor-coding be used to make a garbage collector that avoids having to store a long stack of pointers when it marks a deep list of nodes? If such a gc is possible, then what properties of the gc is it compatible with? (Stop the world vs incremental, generational moving vs stationary, etc.) < 1486750495 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.deep question < 1486750531 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are both eso in that even if they're possible, they're stupid tricks that won't be worth the debugging in the end when something goes wrong. < 1486750645 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it would be nice to have a version of qsort() that rather than taking a comparator function, takes a offset to a sort key < 1486750810 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you wouldn't have to make a separate function for each struct that needs sorting < 1486750871 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be keysort(A,&A[0].key-&A[0],N); or smething < 1486750881 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how would it know the type of the comparator key? < 1486750886 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, use offsetof for that < 1486750914 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe there would need to be different ones < 1486750939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keysort, keysortl, keysortll, keysortf, keysortd etc < 1486750960 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: one for each type of key. especially for little-endian architectures if you prefer to have the more significant sort key at the lower offset but the more significant byte within it at the higher offset. < 1486750978 0 :Cale!~cale@cpe-67-250-60-129.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486751015 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or some sort of configuration paramater < 1486751068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, like a 64-byte shuffle key? could work < 1486751156 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuffle key as in, for each of the 64 bytes of space in the real conceptual little-endian key, the shuffle key has a byte that is either 0..63 to tell which of the 64 bytes starting from the key offset you take, or 255 to mean that byte of the real key is zero. < 1486751173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in that case, the key offset might be fixed to zero) < 1486751194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that wouldn't solve sorting by float keys, which is a real need < 1486751225 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was mostly thinking of the case where there's only one key and it's of a common C type < 1486751242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :float is a common C type, right? < 1486751250 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you mentioned keysortf < 1486751304 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486751317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right. so you would just have keysortf(char *A,size_t off,size_t member_len,size_t array_len); < 1486751452 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically seems like a waste to have all these calls to somestruct_compare(struct some *a,struct some *b){return a.key - b.key;} < 1486751499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be optimized out, but even so, why have the function at all < 1486751741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a mess just because C doesn't have proper closures hth < 1486751985 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: C is low-level and I like it that way < 1486752113 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486752125 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486752143 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486752402 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAOCP has a special place in my heart, not only because it's a good book, but because I think it was a large part of what got me interested in programming when I was young < 1486752415 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell how much effect it really had, but it certainly mattered < 1486752457 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of celebrating party we should organize when the final and glorious edition of volume 3 is published. < 1486752501 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, obviously those aren't independent. TAOCP had a big effect on me as a child BECAUSE it's a good book. it was the most interesting book in the entire school library.) < 1486752718 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486752726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486753422 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486753540 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486753559 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486753723 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a betting pool somewhere for how many subvolumes volume 4 will have? < 1486753980 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486754062 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486754169 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486754265 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and question about MMIX. Is "the infamous MMIX register shuffle" an old name? Or is it still used? < 1486754286 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure when I wrote the article. < 1486754295 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how large is the physical memory space? < 1486754529 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486755069 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486755090 0 :puckipedia!puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486755132 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486755188 0 :puckipedia!puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486755450 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486756200 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486756269 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486756697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is back up. < 1486756703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to go now. < 1486756851 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50897&oldid=50870 5* 03Boxalert 5* (+192) 10 < 1486756862 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ternary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50898 5* 03Boxalert 5* (+1348) 10Created page with "'''Ternary''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[zerosum0x0]] in 2015. It consists only of the ASCII characters 0, 1, and 2. It is a member of the TrivialB..." < 1486756975 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use of a brainfuck substitution? < 1486757066 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution("asdasd","ddas","dddd","asdad","saa","calaa","saddas","dsadas") and I have just created another "esolang" < 1486757244 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a less funny version of ook < 1486757355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50899&oldid=43462 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+436) 10/* I deleted the count. */ < 1486758101 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486758103 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486758136 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486758165 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486758188 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486758407 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f187:f736:8f96:50c7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486758807 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486760135 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hyzgjoozsayhtswv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486761244 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BitCycle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50900 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+6800) 10Creating BitCycle page < 1486761365 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently in my program SDLTERM the only support for text is 8x8 PC character set, but I should later also add support for font upload with custom variable-pitch bitmap fonts, with 16-bit characters and ligatures and kerning. (The ligature capability can be used for such thing as "fi" ligature, but can also be used for making Unicode fonts, by ligaturing together the surrogate pairs.) < 1486761367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50901&oldid=50896 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+15) 10Added BitCycle < 1486761390 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486761391 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1486761468 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ouroboros14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50902&oldid=49895 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+100) 10 < 1486761600 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, it can be useful if you want to do such thing as displaying Japanese texts, and can possibly even write in Arabic. < 1486761913 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486762004 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't limited to Unicode, either; in fact it does not even do Unicode, but it can be implemented by use of ligatures.) < 1486762278 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486762376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50903 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+398) 10Created page with "I am a hobbyist programmer who was introduced to esolangs through [http://codegolf.stackexchange.com PPCG StackExchange]. My esolangs include: * [[Pip]]: a fairly sane code-g..." < 1486762720 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486763272 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just go to germany < 1486763481 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I went to germany I would be able to respond to these 2 AM emails < 1486763773 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean either they're in poland or germant < 1486764374 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486764630 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486765785 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486766716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486766949 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickets < 1486767055 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfpw5yydzy843j.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486767900 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486767917 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486768163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486768180 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486768201 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who, new twist. in http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?p=161792#161792 , DMM says the double update was an accidental bug < 1486768947 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DMM says it's worrying < 1486769327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486769860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486770066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a twist if it's what you expect hth < 1486770113 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtnvymakezekefcj JOIN :#esoteric < 1486770238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas it's not a twist if it's what you expect hth < 1486770238 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486770397 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486770401 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait do you still live in london < 1486770646 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486770702 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? < 1486770747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they might not have let you back in. i hear that's all the rage. < 1486770781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been out lately. < 1486770803 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our meeting rooms is called "court", I was tempted to book a meeting there so I could've said to someone SEE YOU IN COURT. < 1486770835 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chances that you're the first to do so are ... < 1486770861 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the rooms on the third floor are named after "things that sound strange in the sentence '(we have a meeting) in X'", like court, hell, denial, sane, jail, "my office", "your office" and so on. < 1486770882 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two offices are particularly hard to find, it isn't rare to find someone asking "where's my office?" < 1486770907 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie on principle -----### < 1486770952 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa whoa whoa < 1486770955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which office is this? < 1486770967 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: UK-LON-6PS. < 1486771037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( five minutes, the pub ) < 1486771037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, public Google Maps doesn't show individual room names there. < 1486771041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does for some buildings in MTV. < 1486771090 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It does for UK-LON-BEL as well. < 1486771104 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It just opened last year, probably no-one just thought of doing it. < 1486771167 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your meeting room naming scheme sounds much better than any of the buildings I was in. < 1486771192 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing that funny about BEL meeting rooms, though, they're just famous computer scientists (3rd floor) or actual old computers (4th floor). < 1486771216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :6PS has a different theme every floor, there was a poll for suggestions. < 1486771223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have cafeterias named after command line tools? < 1486771238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately people didn't like the Culture ship names, I thought that would've been nice. :/ < 1486771262 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cafeteria names are pretty random. In 6PS we have La Place, Labyrinth and The Fold. < 1486771368 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a David Bowie theme for the big semi-external tech talk spaces -- there's at least Major Tom, Aladdin Sane, Hunky Dory and Ziggy Stardust. < 1486771392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for example you don't have anything like "blaze menu" (citation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9257554 ) < 1486771447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I've been to Blaze though. < 1486771475 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Big Table? < 1486771519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember whether there are any others. < 1486771578 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to the building but not sure about the cafe. < 1486771593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1486771624 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. I'm not sure I've got these numbers right. < 1486771634 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have names. < 1486771652 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Names? < 1486771684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, rather than just "building 40" and so on. < 1486771860 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486771892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think building 40 was inherited from SGI. < 1486771943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in 2000. < 1486771952 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is at 2000 Charleston Rd. < 1486771957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at least it's somewhat justified? < 1486771964 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486772430 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486772469 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm too down with those street addresses either. < 1486772473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem pretty arbitrary. < 1486772495 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there should be 49 buildings between each of 1900, 1950 and 2000. < 1486772518 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the system numbers buildings by distance. < 1486772535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't end up with build 53A etc. < 1486772560 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that. < 1486772597 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's reasonable. < 1486772615 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486772620 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the choice of whether to use the street number or some other number seems pretty arbitrary. < 1486772625 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486772668 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One thing that always annoyed me a bit is that there's no way to have an https link for something that's not at any TLD. < 1486772692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty sure 1200 Charleston Road and 1201 Charleston Road are more than 1 unit of distance from each other. < 1486772719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that annoys me as well. People seem to just make them http links. < 1486772735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they always redirect to https links. < 1486772751 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they might not redirect. < 1486772767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they might leak the address to someone before they redirect. < 1486772804 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Odd numbers on one side, even numbers on the other. < 1486772837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically try to make it a https://thing.domain.tld/foo link with "thing/foo" as the visible part, if it's a thing where ^k can do a link where what's shown is different from what it links to. < 1486772853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_numbering#North_America < 1486772966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you're one of a very small number of people who do that. < 1486772997 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've suspected. < 1486773000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to admit 6 Pancras Square is pretty arbitrary as well. It's a triangle-shaped block of office buildings, numbered counterclockwise starting from south 1-7. < 1486773063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should put everything at a custom TLD. < 1486773068 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody seems to agree whether it's "Pancras Road" or "Pancras Square". < 1486773074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the NSA newsletter, they put things at .nsa < 1486773225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologs/assets/files/cryptolog_136.pdf < 1486773237 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that was 20 years ago, so who knows. < 1486773352 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember some place doing that, but I can't think of what it could've been, since I haven't worked at that many places. < 1486773927 0 :cyanidechef!~cyanidech@ip68-100-79-141.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486773986 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486774262 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the ICANN "New gTLD" project, it seems like it would be hard to have a local domain that won't suddenly become non-local. < 1486774270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/quickfix/1/8/7/188187.jpg < 1486774276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old nsa < 1486774299 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I was wondering about that. < 1486774366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got that .google, but I don't think there's much on it. < 1486774380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's https://www.registry.google/ but that's not much. < 1486774391 0 :cyanidechef!~cyanidech@ip68-100-79-141.dc.dc.cox.net PART #esoteric : < 1486774396 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand com.google finally works. < 1486774405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all the Java developers. < 1486774415 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1486774434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they can do "package google.com" now. < 1486774476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the com.google thing still backwards? If I go there, I just get redirected to google.co.uk, but that might be because no-one thought of the country redirect. < 1486774500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It redirects to www.google.com for me. < 1486774509 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :domains.google also works, which I suppose makes sense. < 1486774511 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, then it's not just me. < 1486774536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should start putting everything at [redacted].google now. < 1486774562 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than [redacted].google.com < 1486774578 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what? Does domains.google *actually* work for me now? < 1486774586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously it was all about not being available in my country. < 1486774595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I got the complaint much earlier in the process. < 1486774622 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the help thing still says: "Google Domains is currently available only for users in the US." < 1486774642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was letting me add things to cart and all. < 1486774676 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486774762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://domains.google.com/registrar?s=fizzie#st=a < 1486774787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Billing / Legal Country" dropdown that has United States, United Kingdom and Canada. < 1486774790 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486774858 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like those might be some top-secret international domains features you're unwittingly leaking. < 1486774873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if that's the case they should be labeling them clearly in the UI. < 1486774930 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm logged in with my personal gmail.com account, and using my home computer and my personal internet connection. < 1486774939 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I'm leaking something, it's been pretty much leaked already. < 1486774981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1486775001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be part of the BeyondCorp effort. < 1486775043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ (@google BeyondCorp) (@eval citation) < 1486775044 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://research.google.com/pubs/pub43231.html < 1486775118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next level of BeyondCorp. < 1486775135 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. < 1486775232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Ireland for a vacation a while back, and had booked a day bus trip, and it turned out one other person (of the about 20 or so on the tour) was a Googler from MTV working on BeyondCorp. < 1486775460 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently I enabled 2-step verification for my Google account. < 1486775517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was worried about the case where I'm traveling, and my computer, phone, and wallet all get stolen. < 1486775525 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to access my Google account. < 1486775529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think I should do? < 1486775613 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486775675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I decided to do was memorize two backup codes. < 1486775686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a monthly calendar appointment to make sure that I still remember them. < 1486775715 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could implant a Yubikey. < 1486775760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't make compact type-C Yubikeys yet, I think. < 1486775770 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once they do that it could be a reasonable solution. < 1486775792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since USB type C is forever. < 1486775886 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486775887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest Lenovo Carbon X1 rehash has USB type C for power, I think. < 1486775903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, too good. < 1486775909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Dell XPS 15 also supports that. < 1486775919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have anything that can charge it. < 1486775929 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try the official Apple adapter next time I'm near an Apple store. < 1486775932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's 87W. < 1486775978 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard allows up to 100W. < 1486775988 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- two Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C ports alongside two classic USB-A ports. And the X1 Carbon charges via USB-C too --" < 1486776025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop is my only computer, so I prefer it to be a high-end computer. < 1486776034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it comes with a charger, maybe I can charge my phones with it REAL FAST. < 1486776067 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it's gotta lotta watts. < 1486776106 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were all supposed to be using those supercapacitors already anyway. < 1486776131 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To power our memristors? < 1486776184 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the superconductors. < 1486776343 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google sells https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger < 1486776404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're so far in the future that I can plug my phone into my computer and choose to charge my computer from my phone. < 1486776413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course nothing seems to happen when I do that. < 1486776417 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486776439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should plug two phones into each other. < 1486776440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/4X20E75131/460/B5F03F2D7A74472998C11037ACE71BFB has only three quarters of the watts. < 1486776463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNF82LL/A/87w-usb-c-power-adapter is where it's at < 1486776470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Apple apparently rates it at 3/5 stars. < 1486776610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard allows for 100W but I can't find a single 100W charger for sale. < 1486776851 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486778426 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why it seem that with OpenGL, the textures with only one or two channel is not working properly? < 1486778493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1486778527 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it is only red, the data reads back entirely black. When it is red and green, the red channel reads properly but the green channel you will read back the same data as the red channel, instead of the data put into the green channel. < 1486779645 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486780380 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486780408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie < 1486780408 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Sat Feb 11 02:33:28 2017 < 1486780410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good night. < 1486780500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighty-night. < 1486782011 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486782554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50904&oldid=50894 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+258) 10 < 1486782631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50905&oldid=50904 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (-3) 10 < 1486782689 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50906&oldid=50905 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+109) 10 < 1486782918 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* 10New user account < 1486782989 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50907&oldid=50906 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+1) 10/* User Input */ < 1486783317 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50908&oldid=50897 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* (+262) 10 < 1486783326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Billiards14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50909 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* (+503) 10First Commit < 1486784698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50910&oldid=50907 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+25) 10 < 1486785328 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to make a poker game can be, each player gets one rebuy, but it is free, and it doesn't expire. There is no other rebuy allowed. < 1486786365 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdsuqsozsjosygyu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486786603 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486787058 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50911&oldid=50910 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+222) 10 < 1486787267 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant can be involving a few of the features of One Poker. (Do you know how to do One Poker?) < 1486787855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50912&oldid=50911 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (-8) 10 < 1486788090 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486790749 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486791766 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486791770 0 :Cale!~cale@cpe-67-250-60-129.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486792298 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486795670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Can you believe people still do things like "apt-get install" and "apt-get remove" to configure what's installed on their system? < 1486795673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mess. < 1486795796 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not have problem with doing that, although sometimes it can help to use the interactive mode. < 1486795826 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it should be is that you edit a file or something that describes what configuration you want your system to be in. < 1486795838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you run one command and it puts your system in the desired state. < 1486795856 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix does that, more or less. But it also does a lot of other things. < 1486795983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually thought of something similar too, where you can set which packages the system root package depends on, and then those ones are going to be installed, but also involved many other things in this my idea too. < 1486798527 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of it? < 1486799304 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486799331 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486800602 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7pDd67x.gif < 1486800740 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proud < 1486800765 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you posting it for? < 1486800779 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you to enjoy < 1486800843 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1486800882 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, perhaps you should explain it? I can see it is a Go game, but that is about all, which is why I ask. < 1486801630 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486802258 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486804550 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :after e3, if white doesn't answer black can capture f3-f2 and g1-h1-h2 < 1486804571 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so white answers in e2, threatening to capture e3 < 1486804588 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :e3 runs away in d3, now e3-d3 has 3 liberties < 1486804615 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :white takes away one with d2, threatening to capture soon < 1486804632 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now g1-h1-h2 has 2 liberties, f1 takes away one < 1486804657 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :white saves the three stones by capturing f1 with e1 < 1486804673 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :h3 brings g1-h1-h2 down to one liberty again < 1486804694 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e879:c413:10e1:174e JOIN :#esoteric < 1486804700 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if white fills in and connect at f1, the whole group has only two liberties in d1 and c2 < 1486804723 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and black will do c2 next and kill the whole thing < 1486805123 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcde25t8pqijet.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486808021 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486809578 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e879:c413:10e1:174e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486811034 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486811036 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486812217 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host81-136-80-177.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486813010 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486815159 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486815647 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcde25t8pqijet.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486816045 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486816541 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486816987 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486817477 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486817479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon//A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. Taneb invented them. < 1486817494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAAAANEEEEBMOOOON ♪♪♪ < 1486818045 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486819064 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486819065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabet//Alphabet is a system of writing invented by Google. < 1486819067 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486819071 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Taneb? < 1486819081 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google alphabet < 1486819084 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :g o l e < 1486819136 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc. Taneb doesn't invent anything that has been invented. he is powerful enough as he is. < 1486819140 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486819141 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. < 1486819224 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluous_man oh, so like teenagers < 1486819259 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I still don't get it < 1486819261 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486819262 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science. < 1486819274 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486819443 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486819685 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486819686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic-unwind//dynamic-unwind is just like dynamic-wind except that it's a different sort of weather. < 1486820324 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486821631 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486822259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Billiards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50913&oldid=50909 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* (+3745) 10Added in specs < 1486822658 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdsuqsozsjosygyu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486824335 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtnvymakezekefcj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486825510 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486825695 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486826517 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elo' < 1486826531 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/440emx8m <- blsq got a fancy mode < 1486826566 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course - it's implemented in the most hackish blsq way < 1486826576 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scopes reside on the regular secondary stack < 1486827057 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrello'man! < 1486827291 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bafternooily < 1486827316 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: \o < 1486827328 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :demahjongain! < 1486827790 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matørjan! < 1486827824 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorcah! effectivemahjong demain! < 1486829204 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH WHY MUST EXCEL FUNCTIONS BE TRANSLATED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1486829236 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, are they still doing that? < 1486829286 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would hope that at least the english variants always work, but perhaps I'm hoping for too much. This is Microsoft's Office department we're talking about.) < 1486829331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they're stored internally in an independent format... < 1486829438 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using LibreOffice Calc in French, and English functions do not work. < 1486829468 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION marmonne quelques explétifs bien choisis < 1486829497 0 :MoALTz_!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486829637 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486829670 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486830783 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec5c:4cb4:76d8:b7e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486831056 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486831138 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486831150 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the dumbest design decision in Calc. < 1486831151 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1486831153 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the dumbest. < 1486831263 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486831563 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486831875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that can cause various problem and they shouldn't do like that. Maybe you can file a bug report or to fix it yourself? The functions should always be American regardless of the language of the menus and documentation and the rest of the GUI, in my opinion. < 1486831972 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Betaload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50914&oldid=50581 5* 03Challenger5 5* (-50) 10 < 1486832240 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PART #esoteric : < 1486832258 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486833919 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486834036 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to test a soup. < 1486834043 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ELVISH CHICKEN < 1486834187 0 :MoALTz_!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486835605 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a soupervison, eh? < 1486835720 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer gnumeric < 1486835768 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xubuntu comes with gnumeric and abiwrod < 1486835899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, really I would prefer a terminal-based spreadsheet < 1486835970 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486836025 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write one < 1486836053 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe also a terminal-based rich text editor < 1486836074 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there arenterminal based soreadsheets < 1486836093 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-typtypos < 1486836105 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... < 1486836133 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there even is a 3d spreadsheet software for the terminal < 1486836138 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st or the like < 1486836170 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-solybjsjwoeptict QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486836214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486836359 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bhwirkocovwgtydg JOIN :#esoteric < 1486836381 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, actually, first I want to write a better text editor < 1486836393 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kakoune is interesting < 1486836511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would find it interesting if I was into the whole modal interface thing < 1486836557 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't you? < 1486836583 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I prefer to have things like save, copy etc on function keys < 1486836611 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have F1-F12 on my keyboard, all of those should do useful things < 1486836642 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define it as that < 1486836691 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in vim it should be fairly easy to map f1 to something like "go to normal mode, :w, go back to whatever mode previously was used" < 1486837351 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting some function into a mode other than insert, to me, is like hiding it in a menu < 1486837378 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important functions should all be accessible seamlessly from the insert mode < 1486837434 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree, i am only in insert mode if i actually want to insert something < 1486837450 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:8835:ce3b:c0f8:2c44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486837452 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit myself to that is bogus < 1486837465 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but myname, insertign things is the most common operation < 1486837535 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by that much < 1486837806 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose there's also appending things and deleting things < 1486837829 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which is done from insert mode < 1486838648 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting things is not done from insert mode < 1486839002 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ do everything from insert mode, but then why use vim at all < 1486839020 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that you spend as much time as possible outside of insert mode < 1486839107 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don < 1486839123 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bhwirkocovwgtydg QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486839135 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t even need to exit insert mode to save with a mapping; inoremap :w < 1486839359 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lqzfnlsuninbhhvn JOIN :#esoteric < 1486839384 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use alt-: to go to ed mode < 1486839447 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcde25t8pqijet.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486840002 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec5c:4cb4:76d8:b7e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486840033 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486840263 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486841292 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486841424 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Qookie 5* 10New user account < 1486842142 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486842660 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a Logisim for quantum computing? < 1486842677 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple visualization sandbox would be very helpful. I learn best by experimenting. < 1486842702 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :found one < 1486843775 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that won't work. < 1486843780 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :french hate english < 1486843790 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so french office people don't want to input formulas in english. < 1486843817 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should just store it as english or number and then translate for display < 1486844878 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486845222 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486845281 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re spreadsheets: translated function names is bad, yes, but it's not the worst part. < 1486845312 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more bothered by the convenience functions present in Excel but not in LibreOfice < 1486845344 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like R1C1 addressing (or S1O1 addressing in translated version), double-clicking on cell boundary or control-arrow to go to the next cell with a different filled/unfilled status, < 1486845353 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll lock to scroll the window, etc. < 1486845358 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funniest point of translated functions are translated argument separators < 1486845370 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, that too < 1486845391 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semicolon for argument separator, backslash for concatenation < 1486845395 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in english you do foo(bar,baz), in german you do foo(bar;baz) < 1486845414 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even IF they have the same name, they just break by that < 1486845435 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these days you can just use the English version. < 1486845462 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like twenty years ago when you had Hungarian Excel installer on five floppies or something, and that's it, you're stuck with that language. < 1486846913 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486848142 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:8835:ce3b:c0f8:2c44 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486849667 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcde25t8pqijet.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486849994 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486850540 0 :mroman!5504dd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.221.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486850619 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486851083 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486851097 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486851098 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulør//Kulør er rett stavemåte. < 1486851508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50915&oldid=50282 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+426) 10Added Drift interpreter example. < 1486851626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50916&oldid=50912 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+150) 10 < 1486855829 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486857083 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The aromaticity of arsoles has been debated for many years.” < 1486858137 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1486858140 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAWL 0.20! < 1486858144 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOOOOOOOO! < 1486858149 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances < 1486858299 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. eh. I may have hit the trunk branch by accident. darn. < 1486858791 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486858897 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486859511 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486860066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486860685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50917&oldid=50908 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+57) 10/* Introductions */ Fnord < 1486860978 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all, I'm boily, and I'm a sane person. < 1486861019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily. I'm oerjan, and I stopped pretending to be sane long ago. < 1486861036 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did you think about that text file i linked the other day hth < 1486861050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which text file twh < 1486861063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kj-sanity.txt < 1486861073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i didn't see that. < 1486861089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's at my website < 1486861138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slbkbs.org < 1486861170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just finding that < 1486861190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remembered it had something like sb or the like < 1486861303 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486861311 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i do present myself as safe. < 1486861334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kj is tg < 1486861350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps pathologically so. < 1486861375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also -intelligence, -being-a-teacher, -psychotic-girl, etc. < 1486861394 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486861458 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome riggs < 1486861460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02riggs: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1486861472 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, greetings < 1486861498 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this might be a place for masons < 1486861518 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Roald Dahl? < 1486861539 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not talk about passion fruits like Roald Dahl. < 1486861544 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw, more like manley p hall < 1486861578 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same, same < 1486861580 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different.. < 1486861581 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roald dahl < 1486861582 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still same. < 1486861582 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roald dahl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486861722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? royal dahl < 1486861723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :royal dahl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486861730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? royal < 1486861731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :royal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486861736 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dahl < 1486861737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Royal Dahl is the king of Norway. < 1486861746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :royal dahl invented royal jelly, right? < 1486861752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1486861753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Jelly_(short_story) < 1486861811 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apricot jelly is the best. < 1486861816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? king of norway < 1486861817 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :king of norway? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486861820 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg dahl < 1486861827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6544:2016-01-11 le/rn dahl/Royal Dahl is the king of Norway. \ 6542:2016-01-11 le/rn dahl/Royal Dahl is the king of Norway. \ 3139:2013-06-16 learn dahl dih dahl dahl < 1486861880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so important it had to be added twice. < 1486861901 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep 6543: < 1486861905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6543:2016-01-11 mkx bin/slashlearn//sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; echo "$value" > "wisdom/$key"; echo "Learned \xc2\xab$key\xc2\xbb" < 1486861907 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1486861908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486861918 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1486861919 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. < 1486861931 0 :riggs!~frogbiz@67-134-98-90.dia.static.qwest.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1486861938 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still have our royal couple reigning over this chännel. < 1486861951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :royal triple? < 1486861976 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple? unless you are counting Norway. < 1486861998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why nt? < 1486861999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 6542,6544 wisdom/'royal dahl' < 1486862000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg: parse error: can't use a list in this context < 1486862009 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 6542 wisdom/'royal dahl' < 1486862010 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/royal dahl: no such file in rev f96c3ec3cd15 < 1486862021 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 6544 wisdom/'royal dahl' < 1486862022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/royal dahl: no such file in rev 24299ed00557 < 1486862026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/dahl hth < 1486862032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1486862037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 6544 wisdom/dahl < 1486862038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Royal Dahl is the king of Norway. < 1486862042 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 6542 wisdom/dahl < 1486862043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :value < 1486862047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1486862047 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1486862066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp king < 1486862072 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily:“Only sane adverb” boily is monetizing a brotherhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He is also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Groan Man Eating Chicken, a METARologist, seriously lacking in the f-word department, a thwack doctor, and a renowned Capitalist who helps keep the world boring. \ bo < 1486862090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -i "\bking\b" < 1486862091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl:Royal Dahl is the king of Norway. \ elendil:Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron. \ fizzie:fizzi < 1486862104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp -i "\bking\b" < 1486862106 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/5:\ fizzie:fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg \ frenemy:Frenemy is the relationship between Kirby and king Dee Dee. \ it:It little profits that an idle king, / By this still hearth, among these barren crags, / Match'd with an aged wife, I < 1486862113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486862114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/5:mete and dole / Unequal laws unto a savage race, / That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me. / I cannot rest from travel: I will drink / Life to the lees; all times I have enjoy'd / Greatly, have suffer'd greatly, both with those / That loved me, and alone; on shore, and when / Thro' scudding drifts the rainy Hyades / Vext the < 1486862122 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486862123 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/5: dim sea: I am become a name; / For always roaming with a hungry heart / Much have I seen and known; cities of men / And manners, climates, councils, governments, / Myself not least, but honour'd of them all; / And drunk delight of battle with my peers, / Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy, / I am a part of all that I have met; / < 1486862125 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits it < 1486862127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs < 1486862132 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1486862133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/5: Yet all experience is an arch wherethro' / Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades / For ever and for ever when I move. < 1486862135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg it < 1486862137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8403:2016-06-08 sled wisdom/it//s\\ $\\\\ \ 8397:2016-06-07 `` >>wisdom/it echo -n "Taneb invented it. " \ 7481:2016-04-18 `` sed -i "s#governments.*#governments, / Myself not least, but honour\'d of them all; / And drunk delight of battle with my peers, / Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy, / I am a part of < 1486862158 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget it < 1486862160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1486862233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 grwp -i "\bqueen\b" < 1486862241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:shachaf:Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. \ victoria:Queen Victoria is the most victorious queen the world has ever known, even having won at the not dying contest. < 1486862254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like there's plenty of royalty to go around < 1486862284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 grwp -i '\bprince' < 1486862286 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:shakespeare:And besicue and a saint and son the may bean the butcious and one them bear and may me for here the mance of my lord, and leave and thou arl of the prince and will not and and hour blood and the be buralont; < 1486862318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 grwp -i '\bemp[ei]' < 1486862320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/6:atrocity:Atrocity is the capital of the Atrocious Empire. \ coruscant:Trantor is a planet covered entirely by a city. It is the capital of the Galactic Empire, and the home for the biggest library in it. \ damnation:The Damnation was an evil empire of yore, until the dam no longer held and they got flooded. \ elendil:Elendil's dad, Am < 1486862343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 grwp -l -i '\bemp[ei]' < 1486862358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1486862360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:atrocity \ coruscant \ damnation \ elendil \ iron general \ ostrich \ procrasti \ trantor \ turkey \ vim < 1486862383 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vim < 1486862385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim equals to cmxciv or cmxcvi, depending on which part of Roman Empire you are. < 1486862473 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? iron general < 1486862474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Iron General is Siona Patricia pa-Lehyll pa-Drusia Ishgur-Sal, Lady of Tyren, sometime general in His Majesty's army, dame of the Empire, and senator of Tuqnil, in http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2003-12-04.0383.html < 1486862551 0 :FiveBroDeepBook!~gk.1wm.su@2606:f180:1:2ea:2ea:af60:f0b8:8f26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486862551 0 :FiveBroDeepBook!~gk.1wm.su@2606:f180:1:2ea:2ea:af60:f0b8:8f26 PART #esoteric : < 1486862757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Vulture is like Culture, but far less picky about the food. < 1486862759 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'vulture': Vulture is like Culture, but far less picky about the food. < 1486862769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt like adding more birds < 1486862835 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lqzfnlsuninbhhvn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486862969 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-npyrdzeqavlicjmm JOIN :#esoteric < 1486863013 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vultures don't seem to be edible. < 1486863036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not even to vultures. < 1486863911 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486864047 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486864307 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: octanitrocubane. < 1486864308 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sicp is a better algoritm for that one) of asperger's, i would want < 1486865020 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxzkyjitvgthsomi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486865310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Billiards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50918&oldid=50913 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* (+363) 10 < 1486865339 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Billiards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50919&oldid=50918 5* 03Alexander-liao 5* (-2) 10 < 1486867187 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486867194 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a good saturday < 1486867266 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1486867288 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saturday was snowy, but I have new rice. < 1486867299 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you hacked any good hacks hackly? < 1486867301 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you saturday good? < 1486867305 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rice is too good. < 1486867312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it white rice? < 1486867315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it contain arsenic? < 1486867323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the grains long or short? < 1486867334 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only have rice once a week if i don't eat too much cereal on this diet, and i would almost always rather have more fruity oatmeal < 1486867343 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, yes, but only for internal company stuff. I like dependency injection. < 1486867352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependency injection is the scow. < 1486867369 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. it's white jasmine rice, 18 lbs. I don't know about any arsenic. < 1486867373 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, i worked 6 hours and then walked like 10 miles < 1486867376 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1486867378 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1486867380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where was it grown? < 1486867384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thailand. < 1486867398 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you prefer jasmine to basmati < 1486867408 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jasmine, but basmati's good too. < 1486867427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jasmine rice is PG. < 1486867448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rice's theorem, on the other hand, is pretty scow. < 1486867449 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependency injection is amazing. promotes good architecture, separation of concerns, easily testable... < 1486867521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :codependency surjection < 1486867530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowdependency urjection < 1486867557 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rice's theorem is good for DRM protection < 1486867596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Codependency is a programmer disease caused by having too much code pending. < 1486867601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'codependency': Codependency is a programmer disease caused by having too much code pending. < 1486867637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM is distilled scow. < 1486867687 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear ray smullyan died? < 1486867695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1486867727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE'S KILLING ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE < 1486867730 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i make it to 97 < 1486867743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :His wife made it to 100. < 1486867774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has forgotten how to count that low. < 1486867778 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still holding out hope for cure for aging < 1486867804 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just inject yourself with the blood of young people. < 1486867807 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, some of his god-great-great-great-great-grandchildren are only 100 < 1486867881 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have godchildren. < 1486867911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :demigodchildren? < 1486867956 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all! < 1486867964 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ACCUPRESSURE CHICKEN < 1486868115 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: impressive how you outlived them! < 1486868328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that sound. < 1486868371 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's behind you! < 1486870285 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486872281 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486874718 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1486875665 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ARGH < 1486876201 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486877583 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486878498 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486879801 0 :FiveBroDeepBook!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:72:72:3163:b97e:f4f0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486880117 0 :FiveBroDeepBook!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:72:72:3163:b97e:f4f0 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486880223 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486882672 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486884567 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486885688 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486887167 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e982:c44:694b:ecc7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486887306 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486887316 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e982:c44:694b:ecc7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486887479 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486887769 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e982:c44:694b:ecc7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486888195 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c573:49f9:cecd:c6de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486888331 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e982:c44:694b:ecc7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486888636 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host81-136-80-177.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk/colorrobotbattle.htm < 1486890020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ALL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50920&oldid=50667 5* 03IQBigBang 5* (+1265) 10 < 1486890129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ALL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50921&oldid=50920 5* 03IQBigBang 5* (+0) 10 < 1486891257 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c573:49f9:cecd:c6de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486893625 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486893627 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486893893 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486893997 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1486895134 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabilistic booleans would solve various problems... < 1486895151 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... qubits? < 1486895156 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sorta. < 1486895167 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :qubits are weeeeird. < 1486895171 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're fascinating. < 1486895182 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, they are not that weird < 1486895206 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :suit yourself. < 1486895225 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm working on some kind of fuzzy/random/probabilistic/thing. < 1486895257 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the % function would create a new random variable that only gets measured at the end of the program. < 1486895299 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x = 50%", for example. if you did "y = !x" then "z = x&y" then z would be 0%, because !x is never x. < 1486895917 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1486895946 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this: http://tinyurl.com/hwwtqjs < 1486896102 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a video about "can you guess what this blackboxed circuit does by doing just one meassurement" < 1486896119 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it explains qubits quite well < 1486896119 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that < 1486896126 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does one input change the other? < 1486896129 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :other output, I mean < 1486896274 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how does one input change the other output? < 1486896333 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wait < 1486896500 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entanglement? < 1486896569 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1486896601 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait? < 1486896676 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1486896682 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 50% get it and 50% don't < 1486896686 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind entered a superposition < 1486896713 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's 50%... right < 1486896744 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about entanglement < 1486896780 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like _the_ reason to actually use qubits < 1486896869 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the link I gave was entanglement? < 1486896906 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Quirk says each result is 25% likely... < 1486896920 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486897435 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486897482 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486897579 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486897587 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh no! rest in peace < 1486897658 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxzkyjitvgthsomi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486897688 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you deleted it? < 1486897689 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? it < 1486897698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486897835 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1486897879 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hoag < 1486897880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. < 1486897893 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dowg it < 1486897894 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowg it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486897895 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dowg nem < 1486897896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowg nem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486897900 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1486897907 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dowg if < 1486897908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowg if? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486897914 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? if < 1486897915 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: < 1486897933 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does dowg not work? < 1486897938 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1486897940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg it < 1486897942 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10235:2017-02-12 forget it \ 8403:2016-06-08 sled wisdom/it//s\\ $\\\\ \ 8397:2016-06-07 `` >>wisdom/it echo -n "Taneb invented it. " \ 7481:2016-04-18 `` sed -i "s#governments.*#governments, / Myself not least, but honour\'d of them all; / And drunk delight of battle with my peers, / Far on the ringi < 1486897942 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg nem < 1486897944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486897951 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum < 1486897952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486897955 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was never a wisdom/nem ? < 1486897959 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an oversight < 1486898036 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what a quantum programming language would look like < 1486898046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486898084 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it's actually a good idea? < 1486898148 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was there never a wisdom/nem ? should I retroactively create it so shachaf can delete it too? < 1486898271 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're talking to someone else < 1486898496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean, yes, I deleted it. < 1486898505 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very long < 1486898517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wisdom/nem? < 1486898548 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: same thing but translated. just like how wisdom/ha is the same part of the translation of the poem wisdom/if is from < 1486898572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? if < 1486898573 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: < 1486898576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ha < 1486898577 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha van szíved, hogy mindazt, mit elértél, / Ha kell, egyetlen kockára rakd, / s túltegyed magad, ha veszteség ér, / s ne legyen róla többé egy szavad < 1486898583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you make these things? < 1486898616 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was trying to make some entries for common words, hoping people would create better entries for those common words < 1486898627 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it's a nice poem < 1486898635 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them are < 1486898640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not do that? < 1486898653 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try < 1486898657 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, make a bad entry in the hope that people would replace it with a good entry. < 1486898663 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the common words already exist < 1486898668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't need to do it anymoer < 1486898682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want there can be a database of proposed entry keys that people can peruse. < 1486898704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why you make all those wisdom entries, though. < 1486898859 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about just it//Taneb invented it. < 1486898869 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent everything < 1486898877 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? everything < 1486898878 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486899018 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: of course not. you just _reinvented_ everything, because Gauss has invented all the mathematics everyone else will do in the next thousand years, but for most of it, he didn't bother writing it down because it was either too trivial or too advanced for his contemporaries to understand. < 1486899044 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since Gauss, nobody can invent any new mathematics < 1486899209 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486899216 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not until 2855 at least < 1486899221 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gauss < 1486899221 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we just gotta wait < 1486899222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486899253 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just wait as such, but we have to reinvent some of that mathematics < 1486899271 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c < 1486899276 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of depressing < 1486900633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1486900634 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1486900721 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-npyrdzeqavlicjmm QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486900846 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ray < 1486900847 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ray? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486900966 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? die < 1486900967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :die? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486900967 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dye < 1486900968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dye? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486900979 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ejdaewocccbxmkqf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486900991 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? D'ouh < 1486900992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'ouh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486901161 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A die is a small cube roleplayers roll for random generation, what happens to their character when they roll low, the mold used for making it and miniatures, and the paint giving them color. < 1486901815 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ejdaewocccbxmkqf QUIT :Changing host < 1486901815 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486901815 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1486901815 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ejdaewocccbxmkqf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486905953 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486906282 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486906284 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, the long line, locales, and histograms. < 1486906300 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :locales are math? < 1486907052 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The space corresponding to a spatial locale is not uniquely determined, but it becomes so if one requires that it be sober, i.e. that every prime open set should be the complement of the closure of a unique point." < 1486907060 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help! < 1486907060 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: making output go sloooow.. < 1486907267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp sober < 1486907268 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1486907276 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp drunk < 1486907277 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1486907286 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote drunk < 1486907287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :422) cigaretes and drunking "lame highs for lame people" yeah if it doesn't make you go crazy and shoot at people, it's not worth it. take it from a norwegian. < 1486907551 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486907736 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9432:6e42:9ac9:54c9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486909159 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486909161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation fault//The Segmentation Fault is just of the Silicon Valley and is known to produce various hiccups at the most inconvienent times. < 1486909307 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( pajamas and foxes and Canadian zombies in a chasm ) < 1486909313 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486909314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow//Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it. < 1486909326 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486909607 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486909656 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host81-136-80-177.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486909945 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1486909949 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum < 1486909950 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486909951 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc! < 1486909953 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1486909961 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486909976 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/Q/quantum-bogodynamics.html < 1486910001 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486910054 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluons < 1486910088 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :when my computer was exposed to bogon radiation a small while ago I had to find a cluon emitting USB flash drive < 1486910339 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to operate a machine is stark naked. it helps telluric currents to flow. < 1486910361 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :telluric? < 1486910369 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1486910376 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to come up with my own at some point < 1486910378 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's like etheric < 1486910381 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the computron idea < 1486910389 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :etheric? < 1486910418 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you know, how like ether is a real substance, but people don't care about that and give the word an entirely different mystical meaning unrelated to it < 1486910425 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :telluric waves are just like thta < 1486910429 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that's funny though, hotter, disordered things actually have more information, but it's funny they have less computron information < 1486910451 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9432:6e42:9ac9:54c9 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486910490 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thouhg at least sometimes they write ætheric instead < 1486910510 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you point me to a page on etheric and telluric? < 1486910514 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may have been a few ætheric chickens here and there... < 1486910526 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current < 1486910553 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1486910557 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about etheric? < 1486910618 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element) < 1486910666 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486910671 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether < 1486910678 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Douira 5* 10New user account < 1486910690 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, new user! < 1486910701 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the wiki announcer is up! < 1486910705 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't yet a few days ago < 1486910709 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I edited the wiki < 1486910713 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just doesn't like me < 1486910865 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :could I submit one of the jargon entries? < 1486910889 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486910952 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from where to where? < 1486910970 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ether < 1486910971 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aether < 1486910972 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ether? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486910972 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aether? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486910973 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the catb jargon website < 1486910978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? æther < 1486910979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​æther? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486910987 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tellur < 1486910988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tellur? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486910989 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jargon file < 1486911002 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the jargon file? to the jargon file? < 1486911010 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm... < 1486911012 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it < 1486911016 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1486911026 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! you'd have to contact ESR for that. < 1486911034 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just put it in wisdom < 1486911046 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :since HackEgo doesn't seem to know what ether is < 1486911060 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1486911060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1486911066 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help learn < 1486911066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1486911069 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486911073 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1486911074 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486911079 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `wisdom < 1486911080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`wisdom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486911083 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ? < 1486911084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom < 1486911087 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn < 1486911088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] [s][punctuation] [...] < 1486911099 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le//rn < 1486911100 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1486911105 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1486911142 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd le\/\/rn//ss/s//s < 1486911143 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud! < 1486911151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50922&oldid=50917 5* 03Douira 5* (+412) 10introduction of myself < 1486911157 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks the HackEgo in the leaning toothpick < 1486911188 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ether is the medium by which light waves travel. When you see light, you're actually hearing it through your eyes." < 1486911305 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :whadya think of the concept? < 1486911389 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. < 1486911409 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, I can actually hear you < 1486911410 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1486911452 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION luminously thwacks rdococ < 1486911463 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1486911470 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made a loud light < 1486911590 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered a new particle... saltons < 1486911769 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :from... salty poeple? < 1486911843 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just plain old regular salt. maybe kosher, if you're lucky. < 1486911859 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps calcium chloride, for making pickles... < 1486911896 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :people* < 1486911900 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're probably right < 1486911916 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new, good idea for an esolang < 1486911926 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking probability < 1486911931 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( rubbing cucumbers on people to make pickles... ) < 1486911933 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps fuzzy logic < 1486911938 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't salt one of the four classical alchemical elements, with mercury, urine, and sulphur being the others? < 1486912069 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Paracelsus < 1486912113 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these would be made of atoms, named saltine, no wait, saltine is an existing word for something else, salton, mercurion, urinon, sulphuron. < 1486912128 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course mercury is the one everyone hates < 1486912137 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1486912141 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have to wait years for a Trabant < 1486912142 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so from those four you can make everything else? < 1486912157 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't know how it works, ask Paracelsus < 1486912194 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: if you want probability, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Strelnokoff < 1486912261 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, if you want probability, try http://esolangs.org/wiki/My_Unreliable_Past < 1486912278 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486912370 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ejdaewocccbxmkqf QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486912409 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vmukovtdcptdwphr JOIN :#esoteric < 1486912485 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486912487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey//Grey is a common misspelling of Gey < 1486912502 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget grey < 1486912504 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1486912508 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486912509 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waltext2//WalText2 is WalrusOS's vector font renderer. See "WalText2i" for the improved version. < 1486912528 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NODULAR CHICKEN < 1486912540 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486912729 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486912779 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: huh? < 1486912784 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a linear 0-100 percentage probability system might work... kinda < 1486912795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: on what < 1486912822 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I could make a family of languages where each pseudo-qubit can be represented as an n-sphere < 1486912895 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the real life one would be Bloch-2, a 4d one Bloch-3, a simpler 2d system Bloch-1 and an even simpler 1d system Bloch-0 < 1486913023 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486913024 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1486913028 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stick with 1d for now maybe? < 1486913032 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you guys think? < 1486913095 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486913574 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486913858 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: why did you give me the RIP < 1486913900 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you posted that Raymond Smullyan died < 1486914029 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i posted it many hours before. lel. < 1486914073 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1486914126 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not reading the channel all the time day and night, despite what it sometimes looks < 1486914214 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but when you tell me RIP apropos of nothing when im not here,it seems like ive done something bad or am going to die myself. most disconcerting. < 1486914221 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the valentines character: 몾 < 1486914270 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1486914296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qiuntopia: sorry < 1486914334 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was among the most recent lines you said so I hoped context was clear < 1486914420 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didnt read my lines back that far. i only read my last 3 lines. < 1486915003 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486915167 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh < 1486915219 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1486916298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hsorenson14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50923&oldid=50887 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+4) 10 < 1486916705 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486916846 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits grey < 1486916848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil̈y hppavilion[1̈] < 1486916873 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't that surprise me < 1486918276 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1486920345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486921157 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.5 < 1486921206 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1486921249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? it < 1486921250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486921263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball should i create a new it entry? < 1486921264 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a random number generator that reads from a file. Make your own damn decisions. < 1486921268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1486921281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( was hoping for "It is certainly so." ) < 1486921324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate. < 1486921326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'it': It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate. < 1486921369 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball What is this? < 1486921370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concentrate and ask again. < 1486921393 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo */1 < 1486921394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/1 wisdom/1 < 1486921399 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 1 < 1486921400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1 is just for disambiguation. < 1486921409 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1486921426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `1 < 1486921427 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. < 1486921446 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might be a bit inconsistent on with and without ` < 1486921526 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 2 < 1486921527 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486921555 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( 2b | ~2b == -1 ) < 1486921579 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why -1, that's the question < 1486921593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 2b < 1486921594 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 0x were omitted for legibility) < 1486921594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2b? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486921603 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486921628 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I rather strongly suspect that the precedence is messed up. < 1486921727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50924&oldid=50901 5* 03Douira 5* (+10) 10added SUL < 1486921740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50925 5* 03Douira 5* (+197) 10created with stub info < 1486921742 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x2b | ((~ 0x2b) == (-1)) is not really what I had in mind, though it's still true in C. < 1486921749 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 b .|. complement (2 b) -- the complement ruins it < 1486921753 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1486921753 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Ambiguous type variable ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M151638560072... < 1486921753 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : prevents the constraint ‘(Show a0)’ from being solved. < 1486921764 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 2 b < 1486921766 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num (Expr -> t) => t < 1486921768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50926&oldid=50925 5* 03Douira 5* (+2) 10 < 1486921772 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 1 < 1486921776 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1486921776 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Could not deduce (Num t0) < 1486921776 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context: (Num (t -> t1), Num t) < 1486921788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the instance isn't there < 1486921812 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointwise evaluation instance was lost when mokus took over from Cale, if I have the lambdabot ownership history straight < 1486921957 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id <> (:) 1 $ [2] < 1486921960 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2] < 1486922013 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that one is standard < 1486922045 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monoid b => Monoid (a -> b) -- Defined in ‘GHC.Base’ < 1486922079 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that reference to GHC.Base is not very helpful) < 1486922140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does have a hackage page iirc < 1486922147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1486922173 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50927&oldid=50926 5* 03Douira 5* (+523) 10added some info < 1486922187 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Data.Monoid would be more helpful, but of course less accurate. < 1486922190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that module is listed, but not linked < 1486922222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50928&oldid=50927 5* 03Douira 5* (+0) 10 < 1486922307 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, geolocation and proxies can be confusing. "Someone near Brunswick, NI, DE with the IP address [redacted] is trying to access a secure portion of your [redacted] account." < 1486922392 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( [redacted] can be confusing ) < 1486922417 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I [redacted]. < 1486922440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just [redacted] < 1486922592 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My [redacted] revision is going well today < 1486922620 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does it involve locales? < 1486922638 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, nah, I've been doing that for fun lately < 1486922726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? locale < 1486922727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1486922778 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebraic geometry < 1486922779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it. < 1486922789 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you pass < 1486922797 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, haven't actually got the result back yet < 1486922800 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1486922816 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maths department here takes a while sometimes < 1486922846 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As it happens, I'm revising a follow-on module from algebraic geometry) < 1486922939 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: where is Brunswick, NI, DE anyway? the main german one is in lower saxony... < 1486922975 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lower saxony = Niedersachsen = NI < 1486922982 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is a guess) < 1486923049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1486923054 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.datendieter.de/item/Liste_Abkuerzungen_Bundeslaender ... apparently it's standard. < 1486923071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow expected NS. oh wait... < 1486923080 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1486923104 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and saxony would be SA, right?) < 1486923129 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or would that be saarland...) < 1486923226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sachsen-Anhalt, i should think. < 1486923247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at that list, i indeed suspect they explicitly avoid those acronyms. < 1486923253 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1486923253 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*avoided < 1486923282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because many of the others use (sub)word initials < 1486923282 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saxony-Anhalt <-- looks weird. < 1486923372 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, all the others for which it would be reasonable do, except that HB is for some reason Bremen instead of Hamburg. < 1486923384 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it had nothing to do with the knights who say Ni!. < 1486923472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although SA might be for the same reason they don't use BR - too many possibilities. < 1486923566 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like HB and HH for being mildly obscure. < 1486923634 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is the H for hanseatic < 1486923639 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bremen and Hamburg were both members of the Hanseatic League; the H stands for "Hansestadt") < 1486923649 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes., < 1486923729 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486923766 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's even mentioned on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_former_Hansa_cities#Modern_Hansa_connections ... though for license plates, but the idea is the same. < 1486923791 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. H is for hard, B is for blunt, and F is for ... I dunno < 1486923822 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :frivolous comes to mind < 1486923870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, lower saxony was only established in 1946, just at the time when avoiding the acronym would be most prudent. < 1486923872 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I spelt that correctly, so lucky) < 1486923938 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ni < 1486923939 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486923955 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( NI is short for lower saxony, for reasons. ) < 1486924481 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:2445:85ea:97e:95cf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486925185 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how every country has these crazy two-letter abbreviations of constituent states or areas, but Hungary uses the much simpler solution of just making the names of settlements unique so you don't have to qualify them. < 1486925475 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486925865 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486925888 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486925948 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486926470 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486926515 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486926517 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486926719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1486926720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1486926809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anyone in the UK, if you're interested in old Unixy hardware, I'm trying to get rid of these things: https://goo.gl/photos/Dm6jNwCQnrWwfLDk7 < 1486926824 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Elsewhere too if you're willing to come here to pick them up.) < 1486926951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg grey < 1486926952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10238:2017-02-12 forget grey \ 8220:2016-05-31 le/rn Grey/Grey is a common misspelling of Gey < 1486927150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( people seem to have gotten more deletionist with wisdom/ lately ) < 1486927546 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :none as extreme as ais523 though < 1486927608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is extreme de... oh right. < 1486927635 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've deleted that part of history. < 1486927639 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, why did http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/af386cb583b9 catch so many files? < 1486927685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: echo gives no actual line breaks < 1486927705 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course. thanks. < 1486927809 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: YW, and later < 1486927839 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastequotes < 1486927839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste < 1486928166 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50929&oldid=50928 5* 03Douira 5* (+5051) 10work in progress! < 1486928217 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50930&oldid=50929 5* 03Douira 5* (-4) 10 < 1486929832 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486930478 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486932252 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrices are bloody useful things in maths < 1486932262 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to come up all over the place < 1486932315 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mattresses are p. useful as well. < 1486932331 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also true < 1486932336 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend both < 1486932441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's useful about them twh < 1486932466 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of subsets of matrices are interesting algebraic groups < 1486932527 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also seem to be trapped in a matrix of solidity, a situation I rather enjoy < 1486932559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1486932560 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1486932658 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nairb14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50931 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+393) 10Created page with "Nairb is a brainfuck derivate by [[User:Ivancr72]]. ==Overview== 2 new commands, : (print decimal) and = (set to zero). And some commands have a op..." < 1486932707 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50932&oldid=50924 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+12) 10 < 1486932735 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50933&oldid=50848 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+34) 10 < 1486932761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1486932784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ivancr7214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50934&oldid=50846 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (+11) 10 < 1486934079 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:853:8be0:549a:b5ae JOIN :#esoteric < 1486934426 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486934697 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486936036 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1486936283 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tensor < 1486936284 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tensor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486936330 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? matrix < 1486936331 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A matrix is just a matrix. People use them to communicate. Taneb invented them. < 1486936422 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:853:8be0:549a:b5ae PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you I wasn't sure matrices were matrices but now it's clear < 1486936442 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1486936443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? it started with, like, an ø? < 1486936602 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Matrices of size 9 and 24 are remembered for being loud and noisy. ) < 1486936677 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure when I saw my last dot matrix printer in action, outside of (youtube) videos. < 1486936801 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, probably it was some ATM for printing bank statements, maybe 10 years ago. < 1486936847 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure whether those *are* called ATMs, probably not, but after expanding the acronym the term is technically correct) < 1486937123 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486937636 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:853:8be0:549a:b5ae QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486938041 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486938377 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486938719 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486939288 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486939321 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486939654 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486939824 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486940387 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486940517 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486940966 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486941632 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1486942065 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486942294 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486942769 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486943364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50935&oldid=50546 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+212) 10/* Input extension */ < 1486943377 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50936&oldid=50935 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+96) 10/* Input extension */ < 1486943603 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Betaload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50937&oldid=50914 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+135) 10/* Commands */ < 1486943635 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Betaload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50938&oldid=50937 5* 03Challenger5 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */ < 1486944671 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486944837 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486945642 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486945737 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486946234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486946331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url quotes < 1486946332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes < 1486946352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1486946353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1034) this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. < 1486946355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1310 < 1486946356 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1310) boily: i haven't cited these because i don't understand how to program without becoming a rainbow < 1486946366 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastequotes < 1486946367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste < 1486946444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/pastequotes//s,; e.*, | paste; else url quotes; fi, < 1486946446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/pastequotes//#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1" | paste; else url quotes; fi < 1486946461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1486946462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes < 1486946477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got line numbers anyway < 1486946529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose the raw version won't. < 1486946591 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can revert if anyone complains. < 1486946603 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Physical spam is not covered by CAN-SPAM. :-( < 1486946621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CAN-SPAM < 1486946648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway, you can avoid most physical spam by putting a little sticker on your mailbox saying you don't want it. < 1486946649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US law regulating commercial email. < 1486946663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires things like opt-out links. < 1486946685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's because the way norwegian mail ads work, they aren't usually personally addressed. < 1486946696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003#The_mechanics_of_CAN-SPAM < 1486946701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you benefit from it too? < 1486946703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just dump a copy into every mailbox that doesn't have the sticker. < 1486946735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the US postal service is primarily funded by spam or something. < 1486946760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. i'm generally assuming spam is so fishy that clicking any links in it, including opt-out links, will make it worse. < 1486946788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, blatant spam won't care about CAN-SPAM anyway. < 1486946798 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1486946807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you get signed up to some semi-legitimate mailing list "accidentally", you can remove yourself. < 1486946830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, how do you know it's semi-legitimate < 1486946861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it's sent from a company that you ordered something from once. < 1486946879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that here in the UK, you can't opt out of Royal Mail delivering those ads that are addressed to generic terms like "The Occupant" or "The Homeowner". < 1486946889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a theatre where you went to see a play once and made the mistake of providing your email address? < 1486946914 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure norwegian mail is much ad-funded, as it seems to me _most_ mailboxes (but not all) have the stickers. < 1486946923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you're not the homeowner, are you? < 1486946934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you buy that prime London real estate you were eyeing? < 1486946935 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I still throw those in the trash. < 1486946973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Opting out of Royal Mail's Door to Door service -- The opt out service only relates to unaddressed mail. Royal Mail is still legally obliged to deliver all addressed mail, which includes mail that is addressed “To the Occupier” (or with any other generic recipient information), as well as mail that is personally addressed to you by name." < 1486946999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( someone might try to sue the royal mail for environmental damage ) < 1486947000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guesstimate half of the physical spam we get is of that type. < 1486947010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other half is things like pizza delivery company ads. < 1486947031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh. so it still needs your actual _address_, but they don't need to know your name? < 1486947041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1486947061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My information is apparently available via voter registration records. Kind of scow if you ask me. < 1486947074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a bunch of mail saying I hadn't voted yet and therefore I should vote for X and Y. < 1486947079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's an incentive to vote early. < 1486947104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think political ads are covered by the stickers :P < 1486947107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i vote early and vote often < 1486947140 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here there's something called the electoral roll (or register), which you have to be on, but you can opt out of the "open register", which is the subset they sell to advertisers. < 1486947169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berkeley, CA is rather unrepresentative of the country as a whole, voting-wise. < 1486947207 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got that governmental Brexit leaflet even though we weren't allowed to vote in the referendum. < 1486947219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's we? < 1486947239 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myself and my wife. < 1486947259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html < 1486947273 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you were being advised to make a brexit < 1486947291 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brexit" is probably a keyword in some language. < 1486947301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brexit < 1486947302 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. < 1486947314 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486947322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume it's like break, except exit if there's no enclosing scope to break. < 1486947324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486947337 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1486947340 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1486947340 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 130042Z 07011KT 1SM R06L/P6000FT/D R06R/P6000FT/D -SN DRSN OVC016 M03/M05 A2970 RMK SN2ST6 SLP062 < 1486947348 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1486947349 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 130050Z AUTO 08012KT 3200 HZ BKN009 05/04 Q1023 < 1486947350 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mon cul que -SN. < 1486947362 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fungotting snowstorm outside. < 1486947363 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 4.4 megs of articles, that's like so rare. < 1486947370 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 4.4 tons of snow, you mean. < 1486947371 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you escape parens with sexprs? is it used? something like that safely, but it likes to manufacture ' tension'. < 1486947374 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it's apparently 3.2 kilohertz of weather. < 1486947388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my information is at least 10 years out of date. < 1486947406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not a new thing. < 1486947408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fizzie being married isn't exactly news. < 1486947439 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's married? < 1486947450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's come up many times before. < 1486947464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got our wedding photo in the Finnish IRC user registry, you know. < 1486947501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wife < 1486947503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, he _is_ the only person on the channel that i remember being married. although i remember there _are_ others. < 1486947558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are others here. < 1486947561 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there have been more. < 1486947580 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Roujo is married. at least last time I heard about him. < 1486947605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486947615 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: hmph < 1486947615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least this part of) norway is having one of those strange winter dry spells again < 1486947618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486947622 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wife < 1486947623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :932) The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Gree < 1486947641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 quote wife < 1486947642 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ne one in Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?) < 1486947653 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember that. < 1486947675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/1 < 1486947676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\` "$@" |& sport < 1486947693 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There should be a version of sport that only uses spam if some text wouldn't fit into one line. < 1486947697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then quote should use it? < 1486947705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe people should just not use long quotes. < 1486947778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I do is in this sort of arguments (well, usually it's my wife claiming some word I'm using is not a "proper word"), I write a convincing-looking web page and open it as file:/// in my browser. < 1486947819 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be entirely honest, I've only done that once or twice, and it has so far failed to convince. < 1486947840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool kids use data: < 1486947865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this: https://www.wordfence.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/dataURI.png < 1486947867 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember how the syntax goes. < 1486947869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very convincing. < 1486947881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:mime/type,content < 1486947919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want base64 or something. < 1486947937 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's the comma vs. semicolon thing. < 1486947951 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then it's data:mime/type;base64,data. < 1486947955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1486947960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use Google 2-Step Verification? < 1486947973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with the Authenticator app. < 1486947994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do if you were traveling and all your possessions were stolen? < 1486948010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse a little, I think. < 1486948018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which language? < 1486948029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only do it well in Finnish. < 1486948072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything too important tied to my Google account, I don't think. < 1486948079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my primary email account. < 1486948088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it's nearly every Internet account I have. < 1486948126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to memorize two backup codes. < 1486948144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether I should memorize my TOTP secret instead? < 1486948165 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a good backup strategy for the things I actually use, because they require an SSH key. < 1486948281 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a pretty special port-knocking thing too, I'm not sure I could write that from scratch either. < 1486948438 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you chain and compose curses together in Finnish? < 1486948555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me: How should I generate passwords from a master password and per-account name? < 1486948687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think you can in a particularly special way. I mean, you can list several without having any grammar to tie them together, and it sounds quite natural. < 1486948708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought some hashing was usually involved. < 1486948715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486948718 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486948737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my master password is good, is there a benefit to using a slow hash function like bcrypt? < 1486948773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of alphabet should my per-account passwords consist of? Maybe just /[a-z]+/? < 1486948784 0 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486948790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I generate a password from the output of whatever hash function? < 1486948896 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if base62 might be a good idea. < 1486948956 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486948959 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the benefit of uppercase letters? < 1486948996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the benefit is more entropy for a given length. But is it worth the cost? < 1486949015 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on whether you have to type those passwords or not. < 1486949025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder to remember, much longer if you count shift as a keystroke, harder to type on a phone... < 1486949037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type some passwords out. < 1486949148 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, say you generate a 15-character lowercase password. < 1486949155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( du dævern hain steike førbainna ijnn i svarte hælvete kor vi nordlændinga kainn kjed sammen bainnord ) < 1486949156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^15) < 1486949158 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 70.50659577211638 < 1486949186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow upercase letters, that's just one bit per character. < 1486949188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (52^15) < 1486949191 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 85.50659577211638 < 1486949199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^27) < 1486949201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1486949202 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 126.9118723898095 < 1486949203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^17) < 1486949206 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 79.90747520839858 < 1486949210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^18) < 1486949212 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84.60791492653966 < 1486949223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could get the same entropy with ~3 more letters. < 1486949272 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you type them it might not be worth it. Although a number of sites insist on having at least one uppercase letter and one digit. < 1486949297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can get around that requirement with a mechanical transformation of the password. < 1486949312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to remember a more complicated password. < 1486949583 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486949651 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ChatSharp < 1486949652 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07ChatSharp: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1486949665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChatsHarp? < 1486949677 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486949726 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat Harp. < 1486949764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :un cabot < 1486949770 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays it < 1486949775 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to play the autoharp. < 1486949809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where that's from. < 1486949840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1486949841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486949877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd fizzie//s.king.prime minister. < 1486949879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is not being helpful. I think it was some other song that mentioned the autoharp. < 1486949879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie//fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486949971 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fizzie ain't royal anymore, who's the new king? < 1486950014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is a republican, i think < 1486950031 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1486950106 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:\ < 1486950161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA:\> < 1486950277 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486950368 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dur < 1486950370 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do < 1486950479 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guzzling diet coke. < 1486950542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1486950543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone. < 1486950593 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486950686 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486950776 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486951515 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486951882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KNOWING CHICKEN < 1486952659 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486953295 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486953302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes helo < 1486953545 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486953901 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486954817 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955056 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955213 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imminent flood in california, sacramento < 1486955565 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1486955576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :immanent eschaton < 1486955625 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is another idea of making a Magic: the Gathering card: 1/1 ;; Defender, Banding ;; Combat damage dealt to ~ is redirected to you. < 1486955714 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486955776 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinion of it? < 1486955989 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486956101 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1486957871 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why sometimes the pixel clock of the display on my computer is sometimes unexpectedly altered and/or unstable today? < 1486957908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean the phase < 1486957924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clock is proper. < 1486957975 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a fluctuation in time. < 1486958018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html < 1486958025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1486958038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid touchpad paste < 1486958078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries not to leave newlines in the buffer, but forgets < 1486958129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf < 1486958131 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fer < 1486958134 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing < 1486958284 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkin: I don't think so? < 1486958302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never be so sure. < 1486958641 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be quite sure, but still I don't think so. < 1486958668 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486958945 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pigaxamazhutlswr JOIN :#esoteric < 1486959102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the mention of a infinite chess game with one piece that can jump any prime distance. < 1486959932 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you win by getting the king off the chessboard? < 1486960293 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think you win by checkmating your opponent's king, like you do in FIDE. < 1486960313 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unthinkable. < 1486963631 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486964220 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know about tic tac toe on an infinite plane? < 1486964382 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the O player force a tie as in regular tic tac toe? < 1486964397 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486964460 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. Can the O player prevent X from winning indefinitely? < 1486964549 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they keep each other from winning indefinitely? < 1486964907 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486964915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1486965185 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486965207 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486965239 0 :wdfwefewvfgew!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:2e4:2e4:762d:9e59:405b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486965243 0 :wdfwefewvfgew!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:2e4:2e4:762d:9e59:405b PART #esoteric : < 1486965586 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an infinite plane no one can win tic-tac-toe since the winning conditions can never be met < 1486965605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 3-in-a-row is a win for the first player if there are enough rows and columns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M,n,k-game < 1486965684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only limited information for 4- up to 8- in a row. < 1486965980 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486966179 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1486966826 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486967268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486967556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486968302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are you going to invent the Checkout preprocessor? < 1486968332 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the trigonometry functions should be added on too < 1486968440 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everyone < 1486968444 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time < 1486968455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc! < 1486968458 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1486968488 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1486968598 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome kmc < 1486968600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02kmc: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1486968609 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1486968698 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that limit hold 'em poker is ~solved < 1486968730 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you back? were you gone? welcome anyway < 1486968804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Bad timing ZZZZZ < 1486968922 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a AI for limit hold'em poker, and I tried to play and won by a very small number of points (and I am not very good at poker anyways), so I think it isn't quite solved. Anyways I think usually it is no-limit that is played (and I rarely see anything about pot-limit; is that game so uncommon?) < 1486969005 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does pot limit work? < 1486969085 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit of the raise is the amount currently in the pot (including previous betting rounds) plus the amount needed to call. < 1486969096 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1486969112 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 16:59 < oerjan> on the other hand, he _is_ the only person on the channel that i remember being married. although i remember there _are_ others. < 1486969115 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:34: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1486969117 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm married too! < 1486969262 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm married as well! < 1486969275 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Though that's also been for a week, so. < 1486969287 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486969392 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to never be marry < 1486969434 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486969496 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to never be merry. < 1486969629 0 :impomatic_!?@? NICK :impomatic < 1486970070 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of poker game I have never seen is to play spread-limit before the flop and pot-limit after the flop. < 1486970090 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: congrats! < 1486970213 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way I have thought of is like Texas Hold'em but also involving a few of the features of One Poker. < 1486970296 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does One Poker work? < 1486970352 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One Poker is played as following: Each player gets two cards face-down. Each player knows how many of his two cards are high cards (higher means 89TJQKA). And then, each player picks one card to play (secretly), and then you bet. If nobody folds, the higher card wins, except that a deuce beats an ace (but loses to anything else). Afterward, the card you chose not to play you keep and you get dealt one more card to replenish to two cards, and you st < 1486970386 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/knows how many of his two cards/knows how many of his opponent's two cards/ < 1486970398 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1486970415 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lately been trying to understand NMR physics < 1486970467 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your own cards you of course know exactly what they are. Also, suits are irrelevant in One Poker.) < 1486970474 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is NMR physics? < 1486970489 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear magnetic resonance < 1486970542 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1486970737 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in One Poker, the card you play is exposed after betting even if you or your opponent folds.) < 1486970740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1486970751 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome back < 1486970790 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1486970909 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1486970959 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486971221 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486971783 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if sacramento is being washed into the pacific < 1486972120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have any info on this big flood that's happening < 1486972210 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :180,000 people ordered to evacuate but do they have a designated place to go? < 1486972501 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why my machine renders Han characters as Hangul < 1486972506 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the fonts are very messed up < 1486972684 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486972737 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a font that is made for EUC-KR but is being treated as if it were for EUC-CN? can that happen? < 1486972821 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486972854 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486973144 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486974114 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974288 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486974301 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974474 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974486 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974617 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486974748 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486974883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see all the advances in HackEgo technology < 1486974886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shaventions < 1486974887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb invented them. < 1486974917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd shavention//s.invented.did not invent. < 1486974919 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shavention//Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb did not invent them. < 1486975143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/.$/ yet&/ < 1486975145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shavention//Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb did not invent them yet. < 1486975404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Not much. < 1486975649 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486975874 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486976058 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486976608 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486977835 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486977883 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-210-157-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486977990 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-210-157-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486978033 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486978140 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486978412 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486980243 0 :Yocacera!~Yocacera@62.249.146.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486980583 0 :Yocacera!~Yocacera@62.249.146.152 PART #esoteric : < 1486980917 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486981916 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982032 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486982131 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcyymuwbdeo8li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982425 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982646 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982756 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486983302 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486983585 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486983683 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486983795 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486984480 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486984498 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486984534 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486984589 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486984802 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486984984 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486985097 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486985667 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486985985 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc:2720:2899:ff45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486986177 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486986178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeesh//See yeeeeeeesh. < 1486986185 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486986186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jit//JIT is just in time. < 1486986195 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time < 1486986195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486986233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is an illusion, < 1486986387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunchtime doubly so. < 1486986457 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the time? < 1486986457 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i wonder how some people abuse the word ' thereby' abused so hideously atrociously.) of the whole screen... pretty small but very portable. < 1486988564 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ISLAND CHICKEN < 1486989226 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-80-177.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm < 1486989747 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcyymuwbdeo8li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486990147 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc:2720:2899:ff45 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486990953 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486991028 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486991600 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebraic geometry < 1486991601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it. < 1486991607 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 79% in that exam :) < 1486991913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: great < 1486991931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can learn other difficult mathematics topics that you can then invent < 1486992202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1486992654 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992654 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992662 0 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992730 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1486992730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1486992730 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486992737 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486992738 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486993004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50939&oldid=50930 5* 03Douira 5* (+102) 10formatting < 1486993076 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486993523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50940&oldid=50939 5* 03Douira 5* (+469) 10added some examples < 1486993962 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna need 85% on average in my summer exams and dissertation to get a first < 1486994651 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50941&oldid=50940 5* 03Douira 5* (+561) 10more examples < 1486994685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50942&oldid=50941 5* 03Douira 5* (+1) 10typo < 1486994838 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486995403 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486995539 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486995561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486996356 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486996372 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vmukovtdcptdwphr QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486996499 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yepozewboznlzuyg JOIN :#esoteric < 1486997517 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I will make new mahjong game on computer, what will they be call? < 1486997585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to your expectation) < 1486998128 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486998861 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning all < 1486999176 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486999436 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486999712 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yepozewboznlzuyg QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486999739 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aapgobjtmmfswcnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1487000067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. I don't think you have a theme naming for your software like ais does < 1487000306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a suggestion that I like then I can use the suggestion though < 1487000980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the idea of it? < 1487001161 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487001545 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487001712 0 :mn`!~user@188.245.42.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487001966 0 :mn`!~user@188.245.42.92 PART #esoteric :"ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1)" < 1487001970 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lie group < 1487001970 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie group? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487002108 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31C0KdvO2Ns < 1487002157 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lie group is a organization devoted to disinforming the public < 1487002189 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487002753 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487003556 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487003902 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487004371 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today trump is meeting trudeau. hopefully trump realizes we didn't take usa's jobs < 1487005367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005471 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50943&oldid=50942 5* 03Douira 5* (+6) 10styling < 1487005479 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005570 0 :shachaf_!?@? NICK :shachaf < 1487005753 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005895 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there problems other than the halting problem that a turing machine can't solve? < 1487005969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see rice's theorem < 1487006010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also all the myriad of problems that can _emulate_ the halting problem of a turing machine. < 1487006106 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. post correspondence theorem, ambiguity of a context-free grammar, various "is this term well-typed in this typing system"... < 1487006165 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all probably reduce either to the halting problem itself, or to a similar diagonalization. < 1487006187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*post correspondence problem < 1487006215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are problems that are harder than the halting problem, of course. < 1487006225 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1487006236 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that still counts as "similar diagonalization". < 1487006243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as "reduction" < 1487006246 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487006353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously wikipedia has a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undecidable_problems < 1487006381 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487006595 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rice oracle would also be able to solve the "Entscheidungsproblem" right? < 1487006618 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly its mere pronounciation is a problem < 1487006638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a halting oracle for that, i think < 1487006651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let your program be a search for a proof < 1487006657 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1487006672 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1487006709 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487006802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( but German spelling is far more logical than English... ) < 1487006832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _entirely_ logical, though. < 1487006873 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are several different ways of marking whether a vowel is long or short - and still some vowels aren't marked ) < 1487006883 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik but I'm english < 1487006895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( is there a bot with this prefix still < 1487006898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Rice's theorem, I was wondering about variations of it given that you already know something about the program you're given. < 1487006905 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. if you know a program halts, what can you decide about it? < 1487006912 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose one-- ;; - Prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to target permanent or player this turn. ;; - Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature with banding. That creature loses banding until end of turn. ;; - Target creature you control blocks target creature that is attacking you. This mode can be used only during declare blockers step. < 1487006914 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you know that a program represents a computable real? < 1487006922 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one++ < 1487006945 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is now two < 1487006961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma one < 1487006961 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has a karma of -11 < 1487006974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: no, zzo38 decremented it < 1487006980 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1487006981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although so have others, i see < 1487006986 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of Magic: the Gathering card and what mana you think is worth? < 1487006986 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one became zero < 1487006997 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shachaf incremented what exactly? < 1487007005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: apparently it was already -11 to start with < 1487007009 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it says one has a karma of -11. Isn't it? < 1487007015 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1487007015 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :-11 < 1487007017 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is less than zero. < 1487007035 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :negativeeleven++ < 1487007043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo32: strange. I don't think I've ever seen something like that third ability. this is supposed to be on an instant, right? < 1487007064 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, clearly < 1487007112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this thing exists, then it's almost certainly white, so a fair costing must be W or 1W or WW < 1487007133 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought white, yes < 1487007133 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoDucks is only super-tc if the Novikov self-consistency principle is taken to be true, right? < 1487007135 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that last ability even works < 1487007195 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1487007227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: if you have "new timeline replaces old" then i think you might get Feather instead... < 1487007257 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course everything about Feather is only partially described at best < 1487007304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( randall munroe doesn't update his blag much ) < 1487007306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What part you are not sure? < 1487007327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still somehow i keep checking it nearly every monday < 1487007410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma it < 1487007410 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a karma of -17 < 1487007415 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma him < 1487007415 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :him has a karma of -1 < 1487007418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma her < 1487007418 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :her has a karma of -1 < 1487007429 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma some < 1487007429 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :some has a karma of -2 < 1487007432 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma lambdabot < 1487007432 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has a karma of 32 < 1487007437 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see a pattern < 1487007438 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1487007440 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :power of 2 < 1487007440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma the < 1487007440 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :the has a karma of -7 < 1487007446 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, even the < 1487007451 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1487007454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it somehow change the blocking assignment after it's been done? and what happens then? if the first creature was already blocking something and could block the second target but not both at the time, what happens? how do you change the damage assignment orders and damage assignments? < 1487007454 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pattern? < 1487007459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that should rarely appear before a pause < 1487007554 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: common words go into the negative because people sometimes put a -- dash right after them < 1487007569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma this < 1487007569 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a karma of -6 < 1487007575 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma a < 1487007575 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a has a karma of 68 < 1487007580 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1487007580 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1487007592 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised c doesn't have more positive karma, after all you have c++ < 1487007602 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1487007602 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1487007605 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1487007611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i think they exempted it < 1487007615 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1487007624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1487007624 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 1762 < 1487007626 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try it-- < 1487007629 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma it < 1487007629 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a karma of -18 < 1487007633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1487007641 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma d < 1487007641 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :d has a karma of -4 < 1487007645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma that < 1487007645 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a karma of -20 < 1487007650 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma 3 < 1487007650 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has a karma of 2 < 1487007653 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1487007656 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hashtag #botspam < 1487007663 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma # < 1487007663 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :# has a karma of 6 < 1487007667 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll stop :p < 1487007675 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd type #++ though (other than me :p) < 1487007744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single character ones might be affected more by code < 1487007745 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: See rule 509.6. < 1487007747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma i < 1487007747 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a karma of 150 < 1487007752 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... < 1487007762 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma karma < 1487007762 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma has a karma of 9 < 1487007773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma me < 1487007773 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :me has a karma of -10 < 1487007802 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1487007809 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma rdococ < 1487007809 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1 < 1487007816 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay, my karma isn't negative < 1487007834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure exactly who uses # ++ though. maybe one of these newfangled languages. < 1487007847 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1487007856 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487007863 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I make a language called rdococ++ < 1487007880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell itself doesn't use ++, so it must be when someone posts code in a different one < 1487007887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1487007888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1487007936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's list concatenation, so it's unlikely to appear in the right way - you'd either have no space, or space on both sides. < 1487007941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mentions damage assignment order. About the other questions, I think that it remains blocking everything it is currently blocking and also blocks the new target too, regardless of restrictions about blocking. That is my guess. < 1487008013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1487008062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :509.6. If a spell or ability causes a creature on the battlefield to block an attacking creature, the active player announces the blocking creature’s placement in the attacking creature’s damage assignment order. The relative order among the remaining blocking creatures is unchanged. Then the defending player announces the attacking creature’s placement in the blocking creature’s damage assignment order. The relative order among the remaining att < 1487008076 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What existing card uses that? < 1487008094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we only had Gaze of Pain effects, which didn't really cause blocking < 1487008131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what existing card uses that < 1487008133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus various effects that constrained blocking in advance, before it's decided < 1487008133 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if any) < 1487008159 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that used for some backwards ninjutsu cards that put a creature on tb blocking something? < 1487008208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Aetherplasm < 1487008210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aetherplasm \ 2UU \ Creature -- Illusion \ 1/1 \ Whenever Aetherplasm blocks a creature, you may return Aetherplasm to its owner's hand. If you do, you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield blocking that creature. \ GPT-U < 1487008221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that card, and possibly no more < 1487008298 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this phrasing would override any restrictions about blocking, because rule 101.2 says it doesn't override those. It would override requirements, such as lure effects. < 1487008378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for costing, it's really the first choice, preventing damage, which requires the card to be white. I could see the second ability in white, red, green, or black I think. < 1487008378 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creature is not being declared as a blocker though? < 1487008397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that last ability is something I've never seen the like, so I can't tell what color should have it. < 1487008425 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you just turn it into a gaze of pain effect, but with the opponent's creature having the scary eyes? < 1487008468 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1487008523 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but that doesn't matter, at least for most restrictions. I don't think it will let you override flying, because of how 702.9 is phrased. Maybe it will let you block multiple creatures even without special abilities. < 1487008534 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even iterate over all real numbers with the assistance of the halting oracle? < 1487008651 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effects that cause a creature to be blocked work even on unblockable creatures though, and some cards can attack even if restricted, and I think that evasion abilities and requirements and restrictions and costs to attack/block and other stuff are applicable to the declaration of an attack or block. < 1487008689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's different, those are Curtain effects < 1487008690 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487008720 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1487008722 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curtain effects let you turn a creature to blocked, but it's not blocked by anything in particular < 1487008723 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says you can < 1487008736 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curtain as in what Curtain of Light does, but there are several other cards like that too < 1487008750 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the real numbers are uncountable, so no. < 1487008781 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1487008782 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are different, but is still "can't be blocked" < 1487008811 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ask someone else who know for sure, if even such an answer either way is possible < 1487008822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you nest iterations, the answer is no even for integers. < 1487008838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think there's a precedent for this sort of effect. I'd say just turn it into a Gaze of Pain effect or something. < 1487008839 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you determine if two mathematical functions are equal with just a halting oracle then? < 1487008852 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaze of Pain isn't the only card that does that, right? it's just rare because it's such a useless effect < 1487008860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i think that would requires nesting two iterations < 1487008863 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1487008878 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487008884 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if one is equal to zero at all points then < 1487008908 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could subtract one's result from the other and check against zero < 1487008926 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. f(x)-g(x)=0 for all x means f(x)=g(x) for all < 1487008927 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that primtive recursive functions are neat for being proovably terminating < 1487008927 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1487008960 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, as you say, the real numbers are uncountable < 1487009003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Dwarven Vigilantes < 1487009004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarven Vigilantes \ 2R \ Creature -- Dwarf \ 2/2 \ Whenever Dwarven Vigilantes attacks and isn't blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Dwarven Vigilantes assigns no combat damage this turn. \ VI-C < 1487009015 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just to add the rule if I need it, because I think what I specified seems most logical anyways. (There are some other minor changes I would make to the rules too, most of which affect nothing or hardly anything existing, although some might be affected in obscure circumstances. Such as, one thing I would to do is to redefine "flip a coin" as a keyword action that involves a random selection.) < 1487009050 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the sets of functions in Rice's theorem are uncomputable even with a halting oracle? < 1487009070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50944&oldid=50943 5* 03Douira 5* (+718) 10added more examples < 1487009072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Farrel's Mantle < 1487009073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farrel's Mantle \ 2W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Whenever enchanted creature attacks and isn't blocked, its controller may have it deal damage equal to its power plus 2 to another target creature. If that player does, the attacking creature assigns no combat damage this turn. \ FE-U, ME2-U < 1487009094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lacrolith Rig < 1487009095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487009099 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: oh wait, you don't need a nested iteration as long as checking a single value halts. < 1487009102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Rig < 1487009103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Rig \ R \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, the first creature assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-C < 1487009112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an entire cycle of this < 1487009120 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says you can go the other way < 1487009128 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Whelp < 1487009128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Whelp \ R \ Creature -- Beast \ 1/1 \ Whenever Laccolith Whelp becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Laccolith Whelp assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-C < 1487009133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Warrior < 1487009133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Warrior \ 2RR \ Creature -- Beast Warrior \ 3/3 \ Whenever Laccolith Warrior becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Laccolith Warrior assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-U < 1487009145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four creatures and an enchantment < 1487009158 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to do that sort of cycle in old sets, just think of the Flagbearers < 1487009163 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a function that returns whether a mathematical function is a constant zero can be used to create a halting oracle < 1487009169 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existing cards that cause a creature already in play to block something (other than during declaration) already explicitly say the requirements anyways. < 1487009176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Sorrow's Path) < 1487009199 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name sorrow's path < 1487009200 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorrow's Path \ Land \ {T}: Choose two target blocking creatures an opponent controls. If each of those creatures could block all creatures that the other is blocking, remove both of them from combat. Each one then blocks all creatures the other was blocking. \ Whenever Sorrow's Path becomes tapped, it deals 2 damage to you and each creature you co < 1487009221 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1487009228 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( #hashtag #mtgspam ) < 1487009242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` card-by-name sorrow's path | perl -e'local$/;print substr,250' < 1487009242 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1487009254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` card-by-name "sorrow's path" | perl -e'local$/;print substr,250' < 1487009254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :king. \ Whenever Sorrow's Path becomes tapped, it deals 2 damage to you and each creature you control. \ DK-R, ME3-R < 1487009256 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a function that determines if a mathematical function is a constant zero- well, you can construct a function that returns f(x)-g(x) and check if any function f is indistinguishable from g < 1487009281 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a good point, but that's a very old card that does something they probabyl wouldn't do now < 1487009284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from The Dark < 1487009328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and the rules text there is necessary because they want to avoid the effect where one of the creature changes what it blocks but the other doesn't < 1487009329 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although I don't care; they probably wouldn't print the second mode of the card I made up either, because it involves banding. < 1487009346 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009353 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I did think of that too. < 1487009353 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009411 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking on how to combine Uno and Robo Rally < 1487009447 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009460 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still isn't clear, because they didn't have the proper rules at the time of The Dark anyways; the new text just matches the printed text (which says that it may not cause an illegal block). < 1487009576 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, though there's a dating difference in my head. banding creatures were printed much later, up to fifth edition. sure, they didn't print pointless narrow cards like Tolaria, but that's just like how they don't print pointless stuff like Great Wall. Sorrow's Path is from The Dark, which is an early set I don't physically own a single card from. < 1487009639 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009662 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helm of Chatzuk and Benalish Hero are both in fifth edition. I have cards from Revised, Fourth, Fifth, and every expert set starting from Mirage, and I can buy new commons from those easily. The Dark is old and printed in low number of copies. < 1487009673 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like banding though < 1487009703 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I like banding too. That's why I have a foursome of Benalish Hero, several other banding creatures, and even a Helm of Chatzuk. < 1487009716 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1487009718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, the long line, locales, and histograms. < 1487009783 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009849 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a forum message about General Jarkeld, where someone asks a question and the answer is "Yes. The General just switches the blockers, the blocks do not have to remain legal." Note that this is consistent with the current text of General Jarkeld, but it is different from the printed text! Some old cards do have significant functional differences from their original printed text. < 1487009920 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009950 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010150 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name General Jarkeld < 1487010150 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Jarkeld \ 3W \ Legendary Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/2 \ {T}: Switch the blocking creatures of two target attacking creatures. Activate this ability only during the declare blockers step. \ IA-R < 1487010181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see < 1487010196 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds strange. when is the forum message from? < 1487010254 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG Salvation < 1487010308 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: _when_. as in, ten years ago, five years ago, two years ago? < 1487010322 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 2009 < 1487010334 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1487010337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is old < 1487010369 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still think that doesn't make a difference, as I don't think that is one of the things that has changed since then. < 1487010408 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you do want to look, there is Yawgatog < 1487010519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1487011248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I would want to change is to add a rule about "persistent properties" of objects. A persistent property persists across zone changes and other stuff. Changing them (if they change at all, which is unlikely) is a one-shot effect. Persistent properties include the object's initial text (or initial AST), owner, and kind. And then, I would to redefine "card" in terms of kinds of objects. What do you think? < 1487011393 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, I can't answer this one. now isn't the right time for me to contemplate rephrasing the MTG rules. < 1487011731 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1487011777 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012038 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aapgobjtmmfswcnv QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487012044 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cbblkmsufyrjgmvz JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012096 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487012454 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012565 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487013556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487013854 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487015424 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487015452 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487015537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50945&oldid=50944 5* 03Douira 5* (+4) 10time and date example < 1487015602 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487016709 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfdzewzctdnhxnuj JOIN :#esoteric < 1487017069 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487017368 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvhdixwctrkesqgg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487017474 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487017489 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487018185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1487018189 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:laver table//A laver table is a type of Welsh furniture primarily used for eating seaweed. \ umlaut//Umlaut is German for "hum aloud", an important feature of the German language. It is indicated by putting two dots over the vowel of the syllable. \ horn//Horn is the reduction system behind Prolog, and also the magical body part growi < 1487018191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1487018192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ng on the head of unicorns. \ utumno//Utumno is Morgoth's first dungeon. It is where he was defeated, and the Silmarils temporarily reclaimed from him. \ cpressey//cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse. < 1487018213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits utumno < 1487018215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonäs < 1487018220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget utumno < 1487018222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1487018243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I know b_jonas's strategy for making wisdom entries, I don't feel bad about removing them. < 1487018688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "silmarils" may be a bit too obvious? < 1487018728 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1487018789 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. The Silmarillion. (Which I started reading once and don't intend to ever finish.) < 1487018810 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean is obvious? < 1487018820 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection to Tolkien. < 1487018835 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely obvious. < 1487018843 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I see now that it's even literally the first sentence on http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Utumno. < 1487018844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :other giveaways < 1487018847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- morgoth < 1487018850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- utumno < 1487018867 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neo prog band of '80s took a slightly more hidden way of picking the name of Marillion < 1487018885 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm generally bad with names... :P < 1487018893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morgoth was pretty obvious. I don't think I'd heard of Utumno. < 1487018941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about Morgoth from having started reading the Silmarillion once. < 1487018960 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to find a pretty obscure LoTR reference as my band's name. < 1487018962 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487018980 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orocarni < 1487018997 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :The red mountains reputed to be on the far east of Rhûn, where the first elves were born in the first age. < 1487019009 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it sounds cool. < 1487019010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, must've got far enough if he was morgoth rather than melkor < 1487019019 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tolkien makes names much harder than necessary because anyone of importance seems to have at least three of them.) < 1487019037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm, well, I don't remember where I remember the name from. < 1487019076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__the_silmarillion__en.htm has it in the first paragraph of the foreword. < 1487019095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I probably wouldn't have read that. < 1487019133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like it happens pretty early on? < 1487019242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite liked reading the silmarillion on the whole because unlike lotr the text does not feel the need to describe every fucking rock in every fucking valley that the characters pass through < 1487019304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1487019305 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. < 1487019512 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487019771 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487020429 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487020552 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487020686 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rule < 1487020687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487020745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but all those descriptions allowed people to reconstruct the geology after the fact < 1487020761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lotr geology < 1487020771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, geography < 1487020784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> largest forests on the continent directly in a rain shadow < 1487020787 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:43: error: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1487020793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book called "atlas of middle earth" that describes this in detail < 1487020795 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487020803 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you said "every rock" so "geology" actually makes sense. < 1487020836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that tolkien didn't know shit about those details when he wrote the book < 1487020846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not going to make any useful sense < 1487020859 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487020880 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? utility < 1487020881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utility? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487020915 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he was ok at geology actually, he just sucked at climatology < 1487021042 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that although his descriptions of e.g. the landforms resulting from glaciers and what rocks they are made of is ok < 1487021063 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487021074 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his mountains are way too snowy way too far south < 1487021095 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( How about: "Few authors have ever been wrong in as excruciating detail as Tolkien." ) < 1487021113 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1487021136 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1487021180 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021526 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487021551 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021646 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487021665 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021865 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends. If the mountains are high enough but low enough that their rain shadows dont start until a bit after the peak on the dry side. But that means that there is one hell of a foggy landscape on their other side. < 1487022365 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: they are called "the misty mountians" < 1487022575 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487022775 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023013 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487023196 0 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nmovhdjapymafrjg JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023205 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vtpdmukjdijqykol QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487023227 0 :heroux_!?@? NICK :heroux < 1487023372 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023830 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487023856 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487024141 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024266 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4df:f114:bb4b:bf55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024408 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024448 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024730 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1487025089 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487025434 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487025830 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1487025937 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kheqhdtzupfajqpg JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027015 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487027066 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487027265 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487027326 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027342 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bigcake < 1487027388 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13bigcake: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1487028073 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "Duet" is surprisingly addictive < 1487028143 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a game that needs only two keys/buttons to be played) < 1487028368 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. is that the thing with the spinning bar? < 1487028500 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :two dots (red and blue), moving bars (initially white but can be "painted" by crashing into them... I gather that this is not the objective of the game), some spinning. < 1487028551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But it can't be played in a web browser? < 1487028578 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now remember having beaten it on my phone. very nice level design, but the pseudo-psychological statements between them irked me. < 1487028673 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4df:f114:bb4b:bf55 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487028735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duet.jpg < 1487028765 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. I got it as part of a humble bundle, but only actually installed it last weekend < 1487028794 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no rotating bars in the screenshot, hmm) < 1487028859 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487028908 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duet2.jpg < 1487029053 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:244d:c55d:191f:8c8e JOIN :#esoteric < 1487029116 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487029463 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487029676 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the support for "geometry list" into SDLTERM, and fixed a few mistakes I had made, and now I have made an example of how to draw circles with OpenGL with it, by using a geometry list, vertex program, and fragment program. (It is necessary to use a vertex program to access the coordinates before they are transformed, because the input of the fragment program are transformed coordinates.) Do you like this? http://sprunge.us/hgFd < 1487029723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have suggestions for changes to the API, or complaints about it, then you can please to mention it. < 1487029887 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487029977 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487029989 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030045 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030101 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: METHANE CHICKEN < 1487030121 0 :`_^gk`_^1wm`_^!~su@23.27.4.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030157 0 :`_^gk`_^1wm`_^!~su@23.27.4.15 QUIT :K-Lined < 1487030448 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:244d:c55d:191f:8c8e QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1487030606 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :`len 🇨🇦 < 1487030609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 codepoints \ 4 Java characters \ 8 UTF-8 bytes < 1487031199 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487031494 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1487031606 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487031657 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1487031963 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a me me < 1487031967 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.ctrlv.in/img/17/02/14/58a24d5ede43b.jpg < 1487032138 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487032155 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1487032396 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nmovhdjapymafrjg QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487032625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487032701 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487033137 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bhubnrgpmbsixsni JOIN :#esoteric < 1487033540 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very danque < 1487033974 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1487034079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1487034169 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487034407 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1487035402 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487036715 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487037027 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487037400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487039370 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1487039400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "dank" is a common adjective used to describe me mes < 1487039462 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zesty < 1487039954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnirly < 1487040452 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we definitely need to switch to zesty < 1487040462 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dengue memes < 1487040498 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487044151 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487046573 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487046648 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1487046652 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1487046686 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487047213 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :zgrepi < 1487047222 0 :zgrepi!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1487047225 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1487048275 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1487048989 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487049001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1487049082 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487049108 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487049731 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487051493 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487051952 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1487052523 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487053386 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487053425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1487053753 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having progressed to dank memes we are only steps away from Kardashev level II < 1487054230 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Peer Gynt is a real fictional character, not just made up for `? peer < 1487054486 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm4 < 1487054494 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this: < 1487054599 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1487054636 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm... < 1487056493 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1487056616 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487058698 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric map projections? < 1487058988 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487059163 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487059169 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487059416 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487060398 0 :sirnaysayer!?@? NICK :snuchibuchi < 1487060723 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:adb0:95b0:5b38:4d5a JOIN :#esoteric < 1487061768 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kheqhdtzupfajqpg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487061791 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487062101 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze57zzh9zf5hts.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487062262 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487065700 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I also have an entry for his second dungeon < 1487065706 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp dungeon < 1487065733 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm sure shachaf will be thrilled to hear about it. < 1487065737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angband:Angband is Morgoth's second dungeon. When the valar finally defeated Morgoth, they were too lazy to go to for 100% completion, so some evil spirits in Angband survived for a sequel. \ Binary file reflection matches < 1487065826 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append reflection//Does this shatter the mirror? < 1487065826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open wisdom/reflection//doe: Not a directory. \ /hackenv/bin/learn_append: line 5: wisdom/reflection//doe: Not a directory \ Learned 'reflection//doe': cat: wisdom/reflection//doe: Not a directory < 1487065871 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append reflection Does this shatter the mirror? < 1487065874 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn_append: line 5: wisdom/reflection: Permission denied \ Learned 'reflection': perl.-i.-p.-e.s/\n/ /.wisdom/reflection. < 1487065881 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh) < 1487065895 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1487065896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1487065916 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487065950 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la wisdom/reflection < 1487065951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Feb 14 09:51 wisdom/reflection -> /proc/self/cmdline < 1487066078 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -li dun\[g]eon wisdom/* < 1487066080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/angband < 1487066087 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently perl -i does not follow the symlink and instead overwrites the file, interesting. < 1487066090 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -li dun\[g]eon wisdom/* 2>&1 < 1487066091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ wisdom/angband \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory < 1487066097 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -li dun\[g]eon wisdom/* 2>/dev/null < 1487066098 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1487066098 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/angband < 1487066109 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what happened to utumno? < 1487066111 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? utumno < 1487066112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utumno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487066127 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, shachaf forgot it < 1487066131 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1487066136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one wasn't so bad, was it? < 1487066209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to put these notes to somewhere else than wisdoms < 1487067704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news: I bought a headphone for my mobile phone that has a bulit-in analog volume control. Most headphones either don't have a volume control, or have one that actually only asks the mobile phone to change the volume, which doesn't let me change volume fine grained enough. < 1487067930 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works as expected. < 1487067997 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in: gives sound to my ears in telephone, media player, and radio modes, and the analog volume control dial lets me change the volume indeed. < 1487068072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long it will last is anyone's guess. The speed these get amortized because the wires are bent, I should probably order the next copy in the weekend unless I find a bug in this one. < 1487068818 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cbblkmsufyrjgmvz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487068949 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xhbuymqgcfxmqnzs JOIN :#esoteric < 1487070198 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:adb0:95b0:5b38:4d5a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487071102 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1487071109 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see how to do this assignment question < 1487071120 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prove that the product of two algebraic groups is an algebraic group) < 1487071564 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487072063 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487072064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flagpole//A flagpole is like a tadpole, but with a flag on top. < 1487072669 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487074226 0 :snuchibuchi!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487074739 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487074740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego//HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! < 1487074759 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GALLERY CHICKEN < 1487075647 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1487075647 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1487075664 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1487075665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000 < 1487075668 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1487076496 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze57zzh9zf5hts.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487076768 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487076813 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487076830 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487076840 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Client Quit < 1487077659 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487079307 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487080733 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com PART #esoteric : < 1487081930 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487083316 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfdzewzctdnhxnuj QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487083423 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1487083423 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1487083423 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1487083459 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqaonalhjirfpspd JOIN :#esoteric < 1487083742 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487083759 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1487083825 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1487084448 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487084565 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1487085336 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487085426 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487085529 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487086329 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487086403 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487086412 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487088412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487088654 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487089324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas `` grep -li dun\[g]eon wisdom/* <-- grwp can be used with `` too and then you don't get all those directory errors hth < 1487089324 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487089368 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grwp -li dun\[g]eon < 1487089370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angband < 1487089383 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1487089394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487089396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whom//See: who < 1487089396 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1487089397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :196) ah yes, indeed, alan turing was gay and stupid < 1487089397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1487089398 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​------------------------ \ 1 pk All parmesan, peeled, chopped \ 1 tb Sugar \ 1 Egg \ 1/2 c Dry white wine \ 1 ts Salt \ 2 ts Sesame seeds \ 2 c Oil for date \ 4 c Plunces calories well \ 1 ts Baking powder \ 2 tb Ground almonds \ 8 oz Canned shredded corn \ \ Mix together the flour, sugar, the baking dish, garlic, shortening, and b < 1487089400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1487089401 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nature Shields Its Own < 1487089410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? who < 1487089411 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about ancient cases anyway? < 1487089461 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks qutie consistant < 1487089465 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487089475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't know what Plunces calories well means < 1487089495 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1487089495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wl. Stir well. \ \ Cool all speed and almost section of its of the black peppers dish. Serve \ immediately on a platter. Set aside. Combine peachio and crushed apples. Add salt. \ \ Heat chocolate chips; cut out to one liquid of a large skillet. \ \ Remove from the oven to make a bowl of a spoon in egg white. Bake until the \ browned cru < 1487089529 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this obsession of this cookbook with skillets? < 1487089631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a skillet to kill it ===\__/ < 1487089679 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bhubnrgpmbsixsni QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487089713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1487089720 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kaaawldirpbltldp JOIN :#esoteric < 1487089724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ==\____/ < 1487090089 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1487090089 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1487090136 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqaonalhjirfpspd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487090153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487090161 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator PART #esoteric : < 1487090240 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(^o^)/ < 1487090254 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,-/ ,-/ < 1487090481 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :____) ,-/',-/` <-- sled with dogs < 1487090581 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487090862 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:adb0:95b0:5b38:4d5a JOIN :#esoteric < 1487091597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Efficiently implementing Eodermdrome is impaired by the fact that selecting match graphs requires an implementation of the subgraph isomorphism problem, which is NP-complete in its base case." < 1487091620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty misleading given that ullman's algorithm is polynomial in the eodermdrome use-case < 1487091873 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1487091997 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487092392 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you be interested in seeing an esoteric language purely based on transistors and pull resistors? < 1487092410 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more basic than NOR :P < 1487092683 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, imho yes < 1487092806 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if I don't mess it up like usual < 1487092867 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning on four functions: P-transistor, N-transistor, and a pull resistor which can pull a high impendance value to true or false < 1487092886 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm naming them TP, TN, RT and RF respectively < 1487092901 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't figured out the rest < 1487093524 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487093680 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487093823 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487093897 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1487094000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487094269 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487094281 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :should my language have variables or should every program be an expression? < 1487094474 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :whadya think Phantom_Hoover? < 1487094508 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487094520 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi anothertest < 1487094571 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:79d9:3188:faca:7396 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487094800 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:adb0:95b0:5b38:4d5a QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487095185 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487095238 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487095249 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1487095249 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1487095269 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487095404 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487095460 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh < 1487095488 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you need some way to have loops in the circuit graph < 1487095505 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies some sort of label or variable-like thing < 1487095754 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that for turing completeness or do you mean like the physical shape of a circuit? < 1487095789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, i mean the 'language' here is just for circuit specification right < 1487095798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so variables etc seem a minor sideshow < 1487095837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :put them in though b/c esolangs trying to be 'difficult' by leaving out convenience features is boring < 1487095847 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1487095852 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put them in. < 1487095900 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep being pinged but have no idea what channel < 1487096033 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I need a label for the high impendance state < 1487096206 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh this is driving me crazy < 1487096334 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexchat < 1487096506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1487096507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1487096570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1487096716 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487096719 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about arrays? < 1487096733 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about using recursion for loops... < 1487096747 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, types like numbers and stuff, how about them? < 1487097458 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions would be integrated circuit < 1487097970 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a number would be an array of bits/wires right < 1487098020 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1487098029 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually implementing a 2 bit adder as an exaple < 1487098056 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tables but only so circuits can have multiple outputs < 1487098349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1487098392 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arxiv.org/abs/1002.2284v2 < 1487098408 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :markets are efficient IFF P=NP < 1487098503 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xhbuymqgcfxmqnzs QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487098529 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dodstvjekcafqtnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1487098606 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how close is that from deriving a contradiction from the premise? < 1487098619 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, close ... to. < 1487098666 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487098735 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487098970 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, that is just a pile of bullshit. < 1487099067 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody bothered to find a mistake in https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.09562 yet? < 1487099786 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487100310 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487100375 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have a simple while and if construct along with functions called circuits < 1487100419 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487100426 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :whadya think, should functions be first-class? < 1487100734 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1487101086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesthetic < 1487101093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjgHHmFQKmU < 1487101299 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Banks Look to Cellphones to Replace A.T.M. Cards" WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? < 1487101408 0 :PlatinumDotEXE!~Instantbi@host-091-097-113-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487101427 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Transistor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50946 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+3228) 10hi < 1487101449 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you're just replacing a hardened smartcard with limited but fairly well understood capabilities by a Turing complete device riddled with malware. < 1487101540 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one small advantage here is compactness, but even that's a disadvantage and that's if you don't count malware - what if you lose your cellphone or get it stolen < 1487101573 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would much rather have multiple cards for different things < 1487101753 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the bank's incentive is lower transaction times... people can prepare the atm interaction on their phone in advance (one scenario described involves the customer going to the ATM with a QR code displayed on the phone) < 1487101781 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Transistor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50947&oldid=50946 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+36) 10/* Adders */ 11 + 1 = 100 lol oops < 1487101824 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and I guess that since the bank doesn't own the phone it'll reduce their expenses for reissuing cards... people won't expect their banks to buy them a new phone) < 1487101855 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do that I'll just use cash for everything and go to the teller for everything < 1487101873 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487101873 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always about money, but I guess they need it to survive < 1487101892 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :this world is much like nature, there's an economical food cycle < 1487101905 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a financial ecosystem < 1487101936 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487102028 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1487102259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50948&oldid=50610 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+146) 10user page says hi < 1487102665 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487102697 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, since when is Pew die pie a nazi and not just a moron swede gamer? < 1487102720 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since August, apparently, he went off the deep end into antisemitism. < 1487102726 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For realsies. < 1487102782 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487102803 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487102938 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Daily Stormer, which is described as the ‘top hate site in America’ by the Southern Poverty Law Centre, even went as far as to change its slogan to ‘The world’s #1 PewDiePie fansite’." < 1487102951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT. How is 2017 even real < 1487102969 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like wut the fuck is even < 1487102970 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, the world ended like over 4 years ago now < 1487103123 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I thought in sweden they exiled the nazis to lappland < 1487103378 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most of europe we put them in parliament instead < 1487103380 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:79d9:3188:faca:7396 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487103480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I like jacksepticeye better anyway < 1487103482 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully he's not as fashy < 1487103533 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487103916 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487104154 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487104383 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, my font doesn't have 猫? < 1487104395 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 猫 < 1487104397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+732B CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-732B \ UTF-8: e7 8c ab UTF-16BE: 732b Decimal: 猫 \ 猫 (猫) \ Uppercase: U+732B \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1487104420 0 :PlatinumDotEXE!~Instantbi@host-091-097-113-090.ewe-ip-backbone.de QUIT :Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com < 1487104627 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487104673 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487104739 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487105774 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Changing host < 1487105774 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1487105928 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487106646 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487106743 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487108125 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487108413 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487108888 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5490:66ea:4388:d518 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487109045 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: re antisemitism: I have heard it is often confused with antizionism. The former is against an Abrahamic faith/religion the latter is against certain group of nostalgic people that wants to rebuild a city that never actually was on land they dont own but have the means to buy. < 1487109611 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5490:66ea:4388:d518 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487109636 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: re nazi or equiv in parliament: it has been well known for a long while that xD is basically consist(ed|s) mostly of persons suspectable to such memeplexes. < 1487109729 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487109763 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487111439 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487111553 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1487111826 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487112084 0 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112086 0 :^v^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112119 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfxwoxyixxehowoz JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112140 0 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112170 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dodstvjekcafqtnv QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112170 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112170 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112171 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnqypeijwqeyyddr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112171 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112171 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112172 0 :Lymee!?@? 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NICK :Taneb < 1487112395 0 :^v^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112395 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfxwoxyixxehowoz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112395 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@sorunome.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112396 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1487112409 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112416 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112416 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112438 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112465 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112479 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hlvirxztirdfpzfa JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112487 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112487 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1487112487 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112563 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112732 0 :alercah!~alercah@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112732 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112732 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112732 0 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487112732 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487113402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487113457 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487113578 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487113579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not found//not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487113593 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot nound. < 1487113594 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think we should add a captcha somewhere in that. because i'm specializing in natural language processing. forward error correction. < 1487113606 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being sentient. < 1487113606 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think so. my scheme skills are obviously rusty: ( case s ( ( 1 2 3 4))) result form body) < 1487113638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1487113942 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochafungot. mustard for pooches: http://mojopet.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/m/u/muttstard.jpg < 1487113943 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that would have a var called add1 in the user-env, and the making it more public now was to get the from its local environment vs. sequencing.) < 1487114340 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSMaB_Fzks0 < 1487114389 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! a very good album. < 1487114407 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovering vapourwave and mallsoft? < 1487114421 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1487114490 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487114720 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trick shot around a pooch: https://youtu.be/b3sOOBicyDY < 1487115073 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487115681 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1487116123 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487116125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ĥäŝkéll//ĥäŝkéll is not what you were looking for. Try again. < 1487116172 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifth world haskell. < 1487116174 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487116175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b//B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether. < 1487116268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp BBC < 1487116269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:A is a village in Norway. The BBC invented it by not understanding things on top of letters. \ Å:Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters. \ b:B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether. \ bbc:The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation < 1487116280 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487116312 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487116338 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487116632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487116847 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1487117127 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1487117239 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1487117339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily < 1487117602 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1487117625 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun? < 1487117707 0 :dalnet!~Android@41.190.2.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487117719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp BBC < 1487117721 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:ox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, and villages in Norway. Taneb invented it. \ nitia:nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her. \ Binary file reflection matches \ tanebvention:Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the un < 1487117739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1487117740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:iverse, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, cumin, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1487117740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe `spam should be called `n < 1487117742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1487117748 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1487117751 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ../bin/n < 1487117753 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf < 1487117756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1487117761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/n < 1487117763 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9851:2016-12-03 ` ln -s spam bin/n < 1487117786 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WHAT YOU SAY !! < 1487117786 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WHAT: not found < 1487117790 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`what me worry? < 1487117790 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: what: not found < 1487117794 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which me worry? < 1487117795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487117814 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent idea. although `spam does give a certain appearance of self-awareness. < 1487117842 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: *munch* < 1487117843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that was the intent. < 1487117858 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cumin < 1487117859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cumin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487117869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s.cumin, .. < 1487117870 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you axed cumin. < 1487117871 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1487117918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it was obviously too naughty, despite all efforts. < 1487117936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think that was all in your head hth < 1487117956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all naughtiness is in the mind < 1487117997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( did Taneb invent Scunthorpe ) < 1487118030 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he did, it would be problematic. < 1487118068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sanity < 1487118069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanity is the defining property of boily. Taneb invented it. < 1487118101 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Drunk < 1487118102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drunk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487118107 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Nerd < 1487118108 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nerd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487118112 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nerd < 1487118112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487118221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; ls \`* < 1487118222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `? \ `? `? \ `1 \ `2 \ `5 \ `learn \ `mk \ `revert \ `spam \ `words < 1487118255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '^[`]' < 1487118256 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `1 \ `2 \ `5 \ hoag \ learn \ `learn \ mk \ quine \ `revert \ sled \ slwd \ `spam \ unlambda < 1487118318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `1 < 1487118318 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. < 1487118320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `2 < 1487118321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`2 is equivalent to `1 , except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1. < 1487118322 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `5 < 1487118323 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`5 is equivalent to repeating `` 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. defaults to "quote". See `1. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2. < 1487118334 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; mv sled \`sled; mv slwd \`slwd; mv hoag \`hoag < 1487118336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487118352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `4 < 1487118353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`4? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487118359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/4 < 1487118360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/4: No such file or directory < 1487118363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1487118370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought `4 was the `2 of `5 < 1487118372 0 :dalnet!~Android@41.190.2.244 PART #esoteric : < 1487118380 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1487118381 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. < 1487118381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalnet has left us < 1487118383 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine < 1487118384 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? quine < 1487118393 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's with dalnet? < 1487118403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. oerjan's nemesis? < 1487118406 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? reflection < 1487118407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat.reflection. < 1487118504 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `mk < 1487118505 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's better with `mk. < 1487118512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1487118554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose that ("`"++) be a transformation made by `?, like (++"s") < 1487118559 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; mv mk mk_; mv mk\' mk; mv mk_ mk\' < 1487118561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `mk\'': No such file or directory < 1487118564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1487118564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we can have ambiguity and everything can be good. < 1487118580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1487118586 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1487118588 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/mk wisdom/mk'//wisdom/mk wisdom/mk': no such file in rev d523eedf694c < 1487118593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1487118594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1487118613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; mv mk mk_; mv \`mk mk; mv mk_ \`mk < 1487118614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487118622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1487118623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's better with `mk. < 1487118626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :? `mk < 1487118635 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `mk < 1487118636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. < 1487118676 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: technically `? _removes_ s, not adds it < 1487118684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1487118689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1487118691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do that. < 1487118762 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqizwtcsncbizjiz JOIN :#esoteric < 1487118873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* 10New user account < 1487118994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble is that we get an escalating number of files to try. e.g. if someone does `? culprits, it needs to check culprits, culprit, `culprits and possibly `culprit. < 1487119038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we could drop the last, it doesn't really make sense to drop plurals off command names. < 1487119249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1487119250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf --random-source=/dev/urandom -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl < 1487119266 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't do any s munging, at least < 1487119288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1487119288 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ else echo "$1? < 1487119319 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1487119320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's better with `mk. < 1487119333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess it shouldn't be that hard < 1487119341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 cat bin/\? < 1487119342 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: else echo "$1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯"; exit 1; \ fi | rnooooooodl < 1487119369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1487119370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%3F < 1487119425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should take precedence, removing s or adding ` ? :P < 1487119464 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^ < 1487119465 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose that wisdomes about commands don't have a leading backtick, because some commands in bin are only useful from command line rather than plain backtick, and some offer extra functionality from command-line (eg. grwp -l something), so it's hard to guess which commands should be wised with a backtick. < 1487119482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i disagree. < 1487119486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50949&oldid=50922 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+521) 10/* Introductions */ < 1487119486 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should support other English plurals. < 1487119491 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` find wisdom -name "`*" < 1487119492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1487119498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` find wisdom -name "\`*" < 1487119499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/` \ wisdom/`revert \ wisdom/`2 \ wisdom/`1 \ wisdom/`? `? \ wisdom/`sled \ wisdom/`learn \ wisdom/`? \ wisdom/`hoag \ wisdom/`slwd \ wisdom/`spam \ wisdom/`words \ wisdom/`mk \ wisdom/`5 < 1487119499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50950&oldid=49734 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+3626) 10I added a Quine to the sample programs < 1487119520 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in fact i just corrected some by prepending ` < 1487119527 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? revert < 1487119528 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :revert? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487119529 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `revert < 1487119530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`revert now works fine. Yay fizzie! < 1487119639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//s!¯\\(°​_o)/¯!no such entry! < 1487119641 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ else echo < 1487119644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? revert < 1487119645 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :revert? no such entry < 1487119650 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better. < 1487119655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1487119656 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing was messing up my terminal. < 1487119657 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1487119659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: HERESY < 1487119685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _could_ remove the ZWSP if you insist. < 1487119687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '°' < 1487119688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? \ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ \ ?? \ backward \ bracket \ chaos \ fnord \ hax0r \ huh \ misspellings of croissant \ mojibake \ not found \ ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ precious \ reflection \ ruddy < 1487119690 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chugs raw Cholula from the bottle to see if it has a taste < 1487119706 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ZWSP? < 1487119729 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you two have successfully demotivated me. < 1487119733 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? words < 1487119734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word (Microsoft Word) was a text-editor for animated texts but not anymore. < 1487119737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `words < 1487119738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. < 1487119739 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `word < 1487119740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`word? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487119741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hug oerjan < 1487119742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hug: not found < 1487119784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: after my recent changes, i think (hope) that the command wisdoms beginning with ` are those _mostly_ intended for ` use. < 1487119819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one other, i think. < 1487119822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grwp < 1487119823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grwp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487119824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sport < 1487119825 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sport divides its input into irc-sized pieces and displays the nth (default first). The pipe version of `1. See also spore. < 1487119826 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `grwp < 1487119827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`grwp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487119841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sport is _not_ useful with plain `, as it requires input. < 1487119863 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spore < 1487119864 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spore stores its input in tmp/spout and displays the nth line (default first). For a version considering irc line lengths, see sport. See also `spam. < 1487119867 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sport < 1487119868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore '' "${2-1}" < 1487119877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sport works on files. < 1487119882 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is useful. < 1487119898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/distort < 1487119898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=336 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = ' \\ '.join(f.read().splitlines()) \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N] < 1487119904 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `fetch < 1487119905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`fetch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487119905 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does distort. < 1487119952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `fetch is described in `help. i guess it could have its own entry. < 1487119954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` fetch 'http://www.oerjan.no/' < 1487119955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: fetch: command not found < 1487119972 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487119975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what they meant about making fetch happen < 1487119985 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fetch let you specify an output filename? < 1487119986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if oerjan.no exists, but if it does it's not my site. < 1487119997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no. < 1487120033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie to make fetch accept an output filename twh < 1487120033 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487120044 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a builtin, so we cannot change it. and i think it's limited on purpose so that it's not useful for arbitrary web access. < 1487120063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1487120069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch file:///etc/passwd < 1487120071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:///etc/passwd: Unsupported scheme `file'. < 1487120075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accepting an output filename wouldn't affect that. < 1487120082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch FILE:///etc/passwd < 1487120083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE:///etc/passwd: Unsupported scheme `FILE'. < 1487120084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Gregor can. and fizzie if he dares to make local changes to HackEgo. < 1487120088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would let you fetch files into tmp/ < 1487120105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp/ would be useful. < 1487120119 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make a directory specifically for downloads < 1487120124 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be even better < 1487120134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :less noisy. although need to be careful about the `` mv trap. < 1487120145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mv < 1487120146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/mv: No such file or directory < 1487120155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a special mv that avoids the trap. < 1487120175 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mv trap? the one that breaks revert? < 1487120180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp/spline < 1487120181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tmp/spline < 1487120186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp < 1487120187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tmp/8 \ I tmp/metar \ I tmp/pad.1 \ I tmp/pad.1 print 1+! \ I tmp/pad.print 1+! \ I tmp/spline \ I tmp/spout < 1487120227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm, i think even if `fetch saved in tmp/, it should still touch the repository for file history purposes. < 1487120235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe. < 1487120244 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1487120330 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This is the trap: < 1487120340 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi > tmp/testing < 1487120341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487120346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat tmp/testing testing < 1487120347 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: tmp/testing testing: No such file or directory < 1487120357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1487120359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat tmp/testing testing < 1487120359 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: testing: No such file or directory \ hi < 1487120368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv tmp/testing testing < 1487120370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `tmp/testing': No such file or directory < 1487120373 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat tmp/testing testing < 1487120374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: tmp/testing: No such file or directory \ cat: testing: No such file or directory < 1487120390 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wtf < 1487120399 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even work? < 1487120421 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat tmp/testing < 1487120422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: tmp/testing: No such file or directory < 1487120422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well hth < 1487120425 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat testing < 1487120426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: testing: No such file or directory < 1487120431 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just gone. < 1487120478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a ZWSP? <-- yes, it was added back when to avoid triggering myndzi with the °_o face < 1487120537 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487120546 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? blah | xxd < 1487120547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 626c 6168 3f20 c2af 5c28 c2b0 e280 8b5f blah? ..\(....._ \ 0000010: 6f29 2fc2 af0a o)/... < 1487120561 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487120564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 \? blah | xxd < 1487120565 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:0000000: 626c 6168 3f20 c2af 5c28 c2b0 e280 8b5f blah? ..\(....._ \ 0000010: 6f29 2fc2 af0a o)/... < 1487120889 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Miniflak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50951 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+825) 10Created page with "'''Miniflak''' is the smallest known Turing complete sublanguage of [[Brain-Flak]]. All valid Miniflak programs are also valid Brian-Flak programs, however not all Brain-Flak..." < 1487120932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: whenever a command changes a file in the repository, HackEgo reruns it with locking, and makes sure to put all the files in pristine state first. however, tmp/ is not tracked, so since the first run removed the file there, it simply disappears, and the second run fails. < 1487120995 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50952&oldid=50932 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+15) 10/* M */ Added [[Miniflak]] < 1487121020 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487121053 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487121145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50953&oldid=50950 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+99) 10Clean-up < 1487121401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//3itopic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed "s/^``//") < 1487121403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed "s/^``//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" < 1487121437 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "``test" | sed "s/^``//" < 1487121438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1487121450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "`test" | sed "s/^``//" < 1487121450 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1487121454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1487121479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '`test' | sed 's/^``//' < 1487121480 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`test < 1487121486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '``test' | sed 's/^``//' < 1487121487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1487121509 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ouch. I see < 1487121523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1487121524 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1487121530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lastfiles < 1487121531 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/? < 1487121550 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//3itopic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') < 1487121552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" < 1487121649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//4,$s/topic1/topic2/;9ielif [ -e "$topic1" ]; < 1487121651 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ < 1487121676 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1487121685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1487121686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1487121712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//4,$s/topic1/topic2/;10i elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; < 1487121714 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ < 1487121730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* it strips space < 1487121788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//10s/^/ /;11ithen cat "$topic1"; < 1487121790 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" < 1487121800 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/?//11s/^/ / < 1487121802 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?//#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^``//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" < 1487121820 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50954&oldid=50953 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+166) 10Updated the Sample code < 1487121826 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sled < 1487121827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`sled // < 1487121832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `sled < 1487121833 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`sled // < 1487121844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/*sled < 1487121846 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 31 Feb 15 00:25 wisdom/`sled < 1487121924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `ngevd < 1487121925 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd is a fake wisdom entry because having an actual infinite file in wisdom/ makes all manner of stuff bloody awkward. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ also t​swett‼ < 1487121943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly unfortunate < 1487121968 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487121969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case//English has two cases, upper and lower. Upper case agrees with the verb in person and number. < 1487122083 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The `ngevd command hasn't been invented yet, but still manages to prevent bugs. < 1487122085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '`ngevd': The `ngevd command hasn't been invented yet, but still manages to prevent bugs. < 1487122092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `ngevd < 1487122093 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `ngevd command hasn't been invented yet, but still manages to prevent bugs. < 1487122108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seemed simpler than fixing `?) < 1487122181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so now it hardly matters if commands are put in wisdom with ` or not. < 1487122332 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ``ngevd < 1487122333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `ngevd command hasn't been invented yet, but still manages to prevent bugs. < 1487122349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you get that feature, i guess < 1487122482 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, lifters! https://youtu.be/88YFbNOpIe0 < 1487122578 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin | shuf -n10 < 1487122579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translatefromto \ ؟ \ pung \ welcöme \ units \ 1492 \ lowercase \ random-card \ ^.^ \ ctof < 1487122591 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/translatefromto < 1487122592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/translatefromto < 1487122628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, both HackEgo's web access and the google api rotted. < 1487122631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc. < 1487122727 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, err, I made a thing that sort-of steals from Google Translate, based off of some of the things that other people reverse engineered about how it talks to Google. So if HackEgo ever gets web access, it's a possibility. < 1487122862 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently being used by another bot for Google translate. < 1487122876 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`؟ < 1487122877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ssentaerg ot xiferp eht si ` < 1487122885 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1487122890 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1487122891 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farbog Explorer \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Scout \ 2/3 \ Swampwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.) \ AVR-C < 1487122900 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ctof 5 < 1487122901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.00°C = 41.00°F < 1487122903 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lesxnbulrdomdqan JOIN :#esoteric < 1487122913 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lowercase TÉST. < 1487122943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't take commandline args < 1487122944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487122954 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` url `which lowercase` < 1487122955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/lowercase < 1487122968 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'TÉST' | lowercase < 1487122969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tÉst < 1487122974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only used as a subroutine pipe by `? and the like. < 1487122982 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed in this lowercasing. < 1487123013 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: it got sort of messed up when someone made different wisdoms that _should_ be identical modulo case. < 1487123023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Å < 1487123024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters. < 1487123025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? å < 1487123026 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​å is the same letter as Å, unless you're HackEgo and don't understand things on top of letters. < 1487123041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we can't do it the logical way. < 1487123055 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? þ < 1487123056 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​þ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487123072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mind you, if the only entry like that is a lampshade about it... < 1487123089 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode lamp < 1487123090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F6CB COUCH AND LAMP \ UTF-8: f0 9f 9b 8b UTF-16BE: d83ddecb Decimal: 🛋 \ 🛋 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1487123098 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not what I was expecting. < 1487123120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; ls *Æ* *Ø* *Å* *æ* *ø* *å* < 1487123124 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access *Æ*: No such file or directory \ å \ Å \ blæg \ bø \ døsthiswork \ døsthiswørk \ kulør \ møøse \ nø \ nød \ ø \ Ø \ øl \ ørjan < 1487123140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, ø too < 1487123143 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print("TÉST".lower())' < 1487123144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tÉst < 1487123154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/lowercase < 1487123155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ tr A-Z a-z | sed 's/Ø/ø/g' < 1487123158 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ø < 1487123158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ø is not going anywhere. < 1487123159 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ø < 1487123160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ø is not going anywhere. < 1487123167 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdow/ø < 1487123168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdow/ø: No such file or directory < 1487123169 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdow/Ø < 1487123169 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdow/Ø: No such file or directory < 1487123171 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/Ø < 1487123172 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ø escaped due to a sensitive case bug. < 1487123180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487123188 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1487123193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so that doesn't _really_ count either < 1487123196 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I don't think tomfoolery lowercases anything. < 1487123204 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random number < 1487123204 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17266 < 1487123206 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random NUMBER < 1487123207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1648 < 1487123209 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does. < 1487123218 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :🙌 < 1487123230 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh God. All my expectations of monospace font... ruined. < 1487123252 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 🙌 < 1487123253 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🙌? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487123273 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; ls -1 | grep '[^ A-Za-z]' < 1487123274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead. < 1487123286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | grep '[^ A-Za-z]' < 1487123287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `? \ `? `? \ ^ \ _̰̆̓_Ì̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_͂͋͒ͧ͋Ì̯͙̬̬̦̯̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ¯\_(ツ)_ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ @ \ * \ \ \   \ ⌨ \ ꙮ \ ⊥ \ ☃ \ ☾_ \ 🐚 \ 🐐 \ 𝕈 \ ᛁᚿ \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_Ì¿ÌŠÍ£Ì‰Í£ÍªÍ’ÍƒÌ < 1487123291 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat `which tomfoolery` < 1487123292 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ -z "$1" ];then exec echo "I have nothing to tell you.";fi;f="tmflry/$(echo "$1" | lowercase)";if [ -h "$f" ];then exec tomfoolery `readlink "$f" | sed 's/^tmflry\///'`;fi;if [ -x "$f" ];then exec bash "$f";fi;if [ -r "$f" ];then exec cat "$f";fi;echo "I must confess, I know not of what you are speaking." < 1487123307 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, case insensitive filesystem? < 1487123308 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say if there's anything alphabetical there... < 1487123318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: not at all < 1487123322 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1487123324 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed the pipe to lowercase. < 1487123331 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this, and I forgot what I did. ._. < 1487123378 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. I could be evil, and make two tomfoolery thingies symlink to each other, probably... < 1487123397 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? * < 1487123398 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1487123409 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^ < 1487123410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. < 1487123416 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-that's true... < 1487123429 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cp wisdom/^ tmflry/^ < 1487123430 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp: missing destination file operand after `wisdom/^ tmflry/^' \ Try `cp --help' for more information. < 1487123432 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1487123434 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp wisdom/^ tmflry/^ < 1487123436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487123441 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery ^ < 1487123441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. < 1487123471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: i vaguely recall you cannot make symlink cycles. < 1487123478 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1487123480 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries locally < 1487123580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | grep '[^ A-Za-z]' | grep '[A-Za-z]' < 1487123581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit \ 4chan \ 4rn4 \ 6 random numbers \ ais523 \ alg. ii \ apt-get \ banach-tarski \ beethoven's ninth symphony \ bezout's theorem \ bézout's theorem \ b_jonas \ b_jonas can't spell \ blu-ray \ brainf**k \ c# \ c++ \ can't \ category-helpdesk \ =@ccc \ co-np \ curry's paradox \ d-module \ dynamic-unwind \ dynamic-wind \ e-module \ #esoteric \ # < 1487123587 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works on my OS X laptop. < 1487123610 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah that of course _did_ show a lot of nicks. < 1487123619 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jWaNk7f6/ < 1487123638 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas can't spell < 1487123639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, existence, heard, appropriate; and confuses these sets of words: then, than; drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute, delate; contiguous, continuous. < 1487123649 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( amortized... ) < 1487123718 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tree < 1487123719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should sometimes (but not always) ignore trees. < 1487123722 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? trees < 1487123723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should sometimes (but not always) ignore trees. < 1487123730 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? treats < 1487123731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :treats? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487123747 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1487123748 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1487123753 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Treats are tasty. < 1487123755 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'treat': Treats are tasty. < 1487123776 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsmack < 1487123776 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: botsmack: not found < 1487123801 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric : D-:> < 1487123826 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/botsnack < 1487123827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '>:-D' < 1487123845 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'botsnack | rev' >> bin/botsmack < 1487123847 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487123847 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bot < 1487123848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bot: not found < 1487123851 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsmack < 1487123851 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/botsmack: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/botsmack: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1487123857 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod +x bin/botsmack < 1487123859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487123863 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsmack < 1487123864 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-:> < 1487123867 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee. < 1487123898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude < 1487123905 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1487123908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1487123909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's better with `mk. < 1487123912 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `mk < 1487123913 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. < 1487123919 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Neat. < 1487123939 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably forget it exists soon™. < 1487123944 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello < 1487123945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, world < 1487123948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello c < 1487123948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world < 1487123951 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello 2 < 1487123951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sad trombone* < 1487123952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world! < 1487123952 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello b < 1487123952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1487123953 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello bf < 1487123954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1487123962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: takes a single hexit I think < 1487123965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello 0 < 1487123965 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, world! < 1487124010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in {{0..9},{A..F}}; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: hello, world!1: Hello, world!2: hello world!3: Hello world!4: hello, World!5: Hello, World!6: hello World!7: Hello World!8: hello, world,9: Hello, world,A: Hello, world \ B: hello world \ C: Hello world \ D: hello, World \ E: Hello, World \ F: hello World < 1487124022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/hello < 1487124022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/hello: Perl script, ASCII text executable < 1487124024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello world < 1487124024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1487124028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hello < 1487124029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $c=unpack"C",$ARGV[0];print+($c&1?"H":"h"),"ello",($c&2?"":","),($c&4?" W":" w"),"orld",($c&16?$c&8?",":"!":$c&8?".":""),($c&32?"":"\n"); < 1487124040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1487124053 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it actually goes all the way up to 63 < 1487124057 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I wrote it < 1487124061 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't remember how it works < 1487124064 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. < 1487124067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in 1{{0..9},{A..F}}; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124068 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10: Hello, world!11: Hello, world!12: Hello, world!13: Hello, world!14: Hello, world!15: Hello, world!16: Hello, world!17: Hello, world!18: Hello, world!19: Hello, world!1A: Hello, world!1B: Hello, world!1C: Hello, world!1D: Hello, world!1E: Hello, world!1F: Hello, world! < 1487124071 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in 2{{0..9},{A..F}}; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124072 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20: hello world!21: hello world!22: hello world!23: hello world!24: hello world!25: hello world!26: hello world!27: hello world!28: hello world!29: hello world!2A: hello world!2B: hello world!2C: hello world!2D: hello world!2E: hello world!2F: hello world! < 1487124076 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in 3{{0..9},{A..F}}; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :30: Hello world!31: Hello world!32: Hello world!33: Hello world!34: Hello world!35: Hello world!36: Hello world!37: Hello world!38: Hello world!39: Hello world!3A: Hello world!3B: Hello world!3C: Hello world!3D: Hello world!3E: Hello world!3F: Hello world! < 1487124122 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1487124128 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1487124138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't take a hexi < 1487124143 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a character < 1487124162 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ? to ~ inclusive presumably < 1487124207 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in \? A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z \[ \\ \] \^ \_; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​?: Hello World,A: Hello, world \ B: hello world \ C: Hello world \ D: hello, World \ E: Hello, World \ F: hello World \ G: Hello World \ H: hello, world. \ I: Hello, world. \ J: hello world. \ K: Hello world. \ L: hello, World. \ M: Hello, World. \ N: hello World. \ O: Hello World. \ P: hello, world! \ Q: Hello, world! \ R: hello world! \ S: Hel < 1487124215 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SEARCH CHICKEN < 1487124217 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z \[ \\ \] \^ \_; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@: hello, world \ A: Hello, world \ B: hello world \ C: Hello world \ D: hello, World \ E: Hello, World \ F: hello World \ G: Hello World \ H: hello, world. \ I: Hello, world. \ J: hello world. \ K: Hello world. \ L: hello, World. \ M: Hello, World. \ N: hello World. \ O: Hello World. \ P: hello, world! \ Q: Hello, world! \ R: hello world! \ S: < 1487124248 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in \` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z { \| } \~ \?; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124249 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`: hello, worlda: Hello, worldb: hello worldc: Hello worldd: hello, Worlde: Hello, Worldf: hello Worldg: Hello Worldh: hello, world.i: Hello, world.j: hello world.k: Hello world.l: hello, World.m: Hello, World.n: hello World.o: Hello World.p: hello, world!q: Hello, world!r: hello world!s: Hello world!t: hello, World!u: Hello, World!v: hello Worl < 1487124271 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's how it works < 1487124325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in S T U V W X Y Z \[ \\ \] \^ \_; do echo -n "$x: "; hello "$x"; done < 1487124326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: Hello world! \ T: hello, World! \ U: Hello, World! \ V: hello World! \ W: Hello World! \ X: hello, world, \ Y: Hello, world, \ Z: hello world, \ [: Hello world, \ \: hello, World, \ ]: Hello, World, \ ^: hello World, \ _: Hello World, < 1487124352 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/``` < 1487124353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%60%60%60 < 1487124355 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/`` < 1487124355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%60%60 < 1487124427 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `hello < 1487124428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello hello, what's all this then? < 1487124804 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn `hello//`hello prints variants of hello, world. To control format, pass a single letter as command-line argument. "@"=>"hello, world", "H"=>"hello, world.", P=>"hello, world!", "X"=>"hello, world,", take 1 letter later to s/h/H/, 2 letter later to s/d,/d/, 4 letter later to s/w/W/, lowercase to remove newline. < 1487124807 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '`hello': `hello prints variants of hello, world. To control format, pass a single letter as command-line argument. "@"=>"hello, world", "H"=>"hello, world.", P=>"hello, world!", "X"=>"hello, world,", take 1 letter later to s/h/H/, 2 letter later to s/d,/d/, 4 letter later to s/w/W/, lowercase to remove newline. < 1487124881 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487125004 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'for i in range(127): print chr(i+1)' | while read i; do echo "$i | "; hello $i; echo; done > hello_output_test.txt < 1487125014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487125020 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url hello_output_test.txt < 1487125020 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1487125021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/hello_output_test.txt < 1487125034 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'for i in range(127): print chr(i+1)' | while read i; do echo -n "$i | "; hello $i; echo; done > hello_output_test.txt < 1487125044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487125061 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1487125148 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'for i in range(127): print chr(i+1)' | while read i; do echo -n "$i | "; hello $i | | tr '\n' 'ø' | sed 's/ø/\\n/g'; echo; done > hello_output_test.txt < 1487125149 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `|' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: `python -c 'for i in range(127): print chr(i+1)' | while read i; do echo -n "$i | "; hello $i | | tr '\n' 'ø' | sed 's/ø/\\n/g'; echo; done > hello_output_test.txt' < 1487125154 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'for i in range(127): print chr(i+1)' | while read i; do echo -n "$i | "; hello $i | tr '\n' 'ø' | sed 's/ø/\\n/g'; echo; done > hello_output_test.txt < 1487125182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487125206 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I'm... giving up. < 1487125331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487125809 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487126121 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487126149 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1487126155 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487126246 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487126401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode � < 1487126402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER] < 1487126426 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487126510 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi | tr '\n' 'ø' < 1487126510 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hià < 1487126515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1487126518 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1487126599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG < 1487126600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8 < 1487126842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: tr only handles single byte chars hth < 1487126860 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :W... not on my laptop. < 1487126917 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NsYDHpp7/ < 1487126967 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` tr --version < 1487126967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr (GNU coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Jim Meyering. < 1487127026 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr: illegal option -- - < 1487127052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it doesn't work with the 2016 version on this server either. < 1487127118 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you must have some other tr brand. < 1487127366 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi | perl -p -e 's/\n/\\n' < 1487127366 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution replacement not terminated at -e line 1. < 1487127371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi | perl -p -e 's/\n/\\n/' < 1487127371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\n < 1487127377 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: ^ < 1487127387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n hi | perl -p -e 's/\n/\\n/' < 1487127388 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1487127534 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume some sort of BSD tr. < 1487127537 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being OS X and all. < 1487127542 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yay for perl! < 1487127549 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1487127844 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487127859 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Quit: zonkzonk < 1487127863 0 :iovoid-!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1487127885 0 :xfix_!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1487127989 0 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tesfbgsfoagcgoka JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128002 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128020 0 :haavardp!root@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128044 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128048 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqizwtcsncbizjiz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kaaawldirpbltldp QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :haavard!haavard@haavard.me QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128048 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128049 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128049 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128049 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128049 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487128049 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128049 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128051 0 :heroux_!?@? NICK :heroux < 1487128114 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1487128141 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128198 0 :gsora!~gsora@unaffiliated/gsora JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128790 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Changing host < 1487128790 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1487128979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drift14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50955&oldid=50916 5* 03Hsorenson 5* (+54) 10 < 1487129034 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1487129169 0 :iovoid-!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1487132210 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487132628 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udneggaoxgutzkrn JOIN :#esoteric < 1487134096 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S YOU!!!!!! < 1487134113 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN! < 1487134869 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zsqkatumozutmaqk JOIN :#esoteric < 1487136221 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487137245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1487137830 0 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487137910 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487138729 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487139598 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Quit: zonkzonk < 1487139628 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :re today's XKCD, I maintain that time zones are vullshit < 1487140507 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1487140542 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should just adopt a unified timezone. < 1487140784 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487141240 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487141411 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487142071 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487142152 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1487142561 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487143721 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1487143902 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thoughts are Drifting < 1487145060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50956&oldid=50948 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1) 10CE is better than AD < 1487145779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Transistor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50957&oldid=50947 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-44) 10/* Boring things first */ mergh < 1487145972 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1487145995 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe TP and TN could have block forms that execute code if A is false/true < 1487146023 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:486e:8be0:f3f9:38b8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487146033 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if A turns out to not be what that specific transistor activates on, B receives no current < 1487146217 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? < 1487147120 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1487147685 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdg3vwj755mg7.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487148102 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487148341 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I don't think it's needed < 1487148354 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also doesn't make sense < 1487148760 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@METAR PAMR < 1487148760 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1487148764 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PAMR < 1487148764 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAMR 150753Z 00000KT 10SM BKN070 OVC130 01/M02 A2879 RMK AO2 SLP750 T00111022 < 1487148769 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lesxnbulrdomdqan QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487150411 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdg3vwj755mg7.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487151302 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Juju2143 5* 10New user account < 1487152197 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487153546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50958&oldid=50949 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+274) 10 < 1487153559 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fluffle Puff14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50959 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+1908) 10Created page with "'''Fluffle Puff''' (also known as '''BrainPuff''' or '''FluffleFuck''') is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Juju2143|juju2143]] in January 2014. It is a..." < 1487153737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50960&oldid=50952 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+19) 10/* F */ < 1487156441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fluffle Puff14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50961&oldid=50959 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10/* Language overview */ bf/pl to pf/bl per the reference implementation/sample program < 1487156464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a brainfuck equivalent, but I still can't let a wrong thing stand. < 1487156513 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf I've thought *so many times* that I should make fetch accept an output filename. Maybe. < 1487156513 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487156529 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf What sort of syntax would you like? < 1487156529 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487156923 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:486e:8be0:f3f9:38b8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487157316 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487157732 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487157888 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1487157896 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1487158194 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the whole anglosphere just fuck it < 1487158213 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the english lanuage in general < 1487158214 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who will handle all the offspring? < 1487158433 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now I get it < 1487158452 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about the sexual meaning of fuck < 1487158558 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487158998 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdg3vwj755mg7.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487159714 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487159715 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minpoijjikop//Minpoijjikop bfjoustioppl sdardqwcasf uyvjhyb mipjkpmo. < 1487159774 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1487159794 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1487159795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? it started with, like, an ø? < 1487159830 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd wisdom//s/\? it/? It/ < 1487159832 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom//wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1487159840 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1487159841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1487159852 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks the HackEgo in the random bits < 1487159854 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1487159855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1487159861 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1487159863 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1487159864 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1487159869 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1487159874 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487159875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :icbm//ICBMs are Crumbling Building Missiles. The I is currently classified. < 1487160294 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487160986 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1487161772 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MAKE CHICKEN < 1487167229 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487167328 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487167775 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi JOIN :#esoteric < 1487169022 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject: Dying man discovers obesity 'cure'" < 1487169023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I expect death would technically speaking count as that. < 1487169874 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam? < 1487170022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Calvin Games 5* 10New user account < 1487170365 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50962&oldid=50958 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+259) 10 < 1487170435 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487170887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50963 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+117) 10Created page with "'''Nors''' is a [[Zero Instruction Set Computer]] created by Calvin Games on February 14 2017. It is Turing complete." < 1487170897 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1487170957 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50964&oldid=50960 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+11) 10 < 1487170990 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50965&oldid=50963 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+1) 10 < 1487171470 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50966&oldid=50965 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+198) 10 < 1487172440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50967&oldid=50966 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+243) 10 < 1487172767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487172967 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487174069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50968&oldid=50967 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+183) 10/* Programs */ < 1487174094 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50969&oldid=50968 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+1) 10/* Programs */ < 1487174383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50970&oldid=50969 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+20) 10/* Programs */ < 1487174492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50971&oldid=50970 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+54) 10/* Description */ < 1487174672 0 :Calvin!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487174691 0 :Calvin!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Morning! < 1487174695 0 :Calvin!?@? NICK :Guest46944 < 1487174717 0 :Guest46944!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1487174793 0 :Guest46944!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1487174839 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487174856 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello I am CalvinGames. < 1487174934 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like no one is here. < 1487174940 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1487174955 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the one on the Touhou Discord? < 1487174974 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1487174984 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, just checking. < 1487174993 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will leave for a minute. < 1487174997 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1487175126 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What thrilling conversation < 1487175145 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487175174 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, CalvinGames have returned! < 1487175208 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you also use the Touhou server? < 1487175372 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to being a VR game programmer and political debater I am also a purveyor of esolangs! < 1487175464 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night in bed I created a ZISC called Nors. I added it to Esolang. < 1487175572 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will anyone respond? < 1487175705 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, it seems that no one is here. < 1487175766 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too bad. < 1487175831 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw you add it five minutes before you joined. < 1487175934 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get notifications when the wiki is changed? < 1487176045 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of Nors? < 1487176096 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487176161 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye. < 1487176237 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, what? < 1487176244 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZERO instructions? < 1487176256 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TC? < 1487176333 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487176364 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's one of those automata-like languages < 1487176388 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean by that is things like BCT < 1487176443 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By manipulating the initial state you can compute anything computable. < 1487176480 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is BCT? < 1487176727 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that it is like a cellular automaton. < 1487176847 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487176882 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the page for it now < 1487176888 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag < 1487176959 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1487176986 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I know about those. That was the first system that I actually understood its Turing completeness. < 1487177099 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is there a difference between a bitwise cyclic tag system and a cyclic tag system? < 1487177206 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would the initial state be to return a xor b? < 1487177369 0 :atslash!~atslash@95-31-26-12.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1487177647 0 :atslash!~atslash@95-31-26-12.broadband.corbina.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1487177767 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0100aabb returns a AND b < 1487177830 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, actually 0111aabb. < 1487178130 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like cheating but 01001100aabb!a!a!b!b returns a XOR b. < 1487178388 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1487178437 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like cheating because of the !'s. < 1487178468 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b are bit values. < 1487178644 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that follow? < 1487178815 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a debian game metapackage and now my games menu is larger than the screen :P < 1487178828 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only wanted minesweeper :c < 1487178852 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01001100 halts the program after 3 cycles and outputs ((a NOR a) NOR (b NOR b)) NOR ((!a NOR !a) NOR (!b NOR !b)) = a XOR b. < 1487178976 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487179105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Nors14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50972 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+297) 10Created page with "It feels like cheating but 01001100aabb!a!a!b!b returns a XOR b.
01001100 halts the program after 3 cycles and outputs ((a NOR a) NOR (b NOR b)) NOR ((!a NOR !a) NOR (!b..." < 1487179133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50973&oldid=50972 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+111) 10 < 1487179307 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Calvin Games14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50974 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+237) 10Created page with "I, '''Calvin Games''' have returned!
In addition to being a VR game programmer and political debater I am also a purveyor of esolangs!
Last night in bed I created..." < 1487179361 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there ''are'' notifications. < 1487179410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, when they aren't broken. < 1487179431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip: learn to use preview :P) < 1487179442 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hlvirxztirdfpzfa QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487179453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i've seen you not do it) < 1487179466 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, with Nors how can one implement a XOR b without !'s? < 1487179469 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-sdrsgbbwgfmgheey JOIN :#esoteric < 1487179519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly intrigued < 1487179563 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* How do you do that? < 1487179581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me < 1487179622 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how to use preveiw. < 1487179638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: it's a button not long from the Save one < 1487179642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*far < 1487179653 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1487179779 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not a save button. < 1487179815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: on the wiki? < 1487179833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using mobile or something? < 1487179859 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487179860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's where i meant to use preview. cuts down on the notifications.) < 1487179877 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that is what you meant. I have, in fact, used preview. < 1487179878 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi dad < 1487179889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1487179897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not Perenelle. < 1487179911 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was' up father < 1487179942 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a shit night last night uwu my computer broke < 1487179947 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like broken broken < 1487179958 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fell off of my desk via me being drunk < 1487179962 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;---; < 1487179975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T DRINK AND COMPUTE < 1487179983 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1487179998 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I did get the hardrive < 1487180002 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathematician's version is better (don't drink and derive) < 1487180020 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I made one heck of a compiler last night < 1487180032 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how it works tho < 1487180081 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Nors. . . < 1487180104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: the description is a bit terse < 1487180117 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ever chase a shot of absinthe with Valium < 1487180127 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways besides that < 1487180144 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you improve it? < 1487180169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was just misinterpreting P_n < 1487180179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thought it referred to a bit first) < 1487180183 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487180215 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: what does ! do? < 1487180265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1487180278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, you just mean putting !a in as a bit < 1487180297 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was afraid people would interpret it that way. ! is negation. < 1487180310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has this eerie feeling this'll bring up the Post Lattice again. < 1487180399 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ! felt like cheating to me because NOR should be the only logic operation. < 1487180423 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: doesn't the string get halved in length every iteration? i think that pretty much rules out being TC. < 1487180449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: !a = a NOR a < 1487180532 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this oerjan papa < 1487180621 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial string can be arbitrary in length so anything computable can be computed. Isn't that equivelent to TC? < 1487180659 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perenelle: Nors. < 1487180676 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: oh is the problem that all bits must be at the same depth... < 1487180696 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487180713 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nora?? < 1487180718 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nors* < 1487180725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: that's not how TC works. you need to be able to grow the memory arbitrarily during the computing. < 1487180726 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it, link < 1487180736 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1487180736 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 6h 43m 43s ago: I've thought *so many times* that I should make fetch accept an output filename. Maybe. < 1487180736 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie asked 6h 43m 27s ago: What sort of syntax would you like? < 1487180738 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to leave in 5 minutes. < 1487180752 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nors < 1487180757 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know, oerjan's the expert here. < 1487180763 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CalvinGames: oh. you have a problem then. < 1487180786 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1487180788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (A nor B) nor (C nor D) can be rewritten as (A or B) and (C or D) < 1487180817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you can only compute monotone functions of what was 2 steps before < 1487180834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovered that once when investigating 1D cellular automata < 1487180852 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No offense to myself or others < 1487180868 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric languages sound like utter bullshit and look like they would never work < 1487180869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to compute something that is neither monotone nor the not of something monotone, and XOR isn't either. < 1487180888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's impossible Q.E.D. < 1487180890 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That aside nor looks pretty neat < 1487180894 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there is no way to remove the !'s. < 1487180948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(monotone function, btw, is indeed a node in the post lattice) < 1487180965 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you not like post lattice oerjan? < 1487181209 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, goodbye. < 1487181408 0 :CalvinGames!cfe0b11a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.224.177.26 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1487181526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the post lattice is great < 1487181550 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tells everything about what boolean functions people have missed when doing stuff like this. < 1487181572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly, they probably don't get very deep into the weirder branches. < 1487181646 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it gives a simple test for whether you _have_ covered all of them - just check that you can escape each of the five second level nodes < 1487181728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: do you have a function that gives 1 as output for all 0 input, and one for the reverse; do you have a non-monotonic function, a non-self-dual function and a non-linear one. < 1487181764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOR and NAND of course fit all of those.) < 1487182072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: `fetch FILE URL should be unambiguous as long as FILE is not allowed to contain //, which we've sort of standardized on for other commands :) < 1487182172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one could be tempted to go with `fetch FILE//URL < 1487182177 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1487182183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: problem? < 1487182214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether FILE should be allowed to contain space is a different matter.) < 1487182226 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there;s a horrible bug in my code that went unnoticed for months < 1487182264 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: does it prevent anything getting through the build system < 1487182312 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because my tests test for the bug rather than testing against it < 1487182327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1487182347 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only noticed just now, noone else has noticed < 1487182359 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1487182404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( this is \oren\_ realizing no one is using his code ) < 1487182526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell * boily thwacks the HackEgo in the random bits <-- will you two be here all week < 1487182526 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487182530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1487182539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily * boily thwacks the HackEgo in the random bits <-- will you two be here all week < 1487182539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487182576 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487182576 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1487182706 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hp < 1487182940 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I'm leaning towards `fetch FILE URL -- and I guess if there's just one argument it should default to the current behaviour. < 1487182960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1487182987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you should make sure not to put it outside /hackenv, or in .hg < 1487183169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you might add that .hgignore thing as well < 1487183209 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prevent it changing) < 1487183221 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487183243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon I will need a bug tracker for this. < 1487183249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487183264 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Gregor's bitbucket that < 1487183299 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it has an issue tracker per se. < 1487183319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487183347 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Github does, but I think Bitbucket just integrates with JIRA. < 1487183372 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s ../bin test < 1487183374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487183377 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls test < 1487183377 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ findmnt \ fuser \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ kmod \ less \ < 1487183385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It does mention "issue tracking" as a feature. < 1487183390 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ip < 1487183391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ip [ OPTIONS ] OBJECT { COMMAND | help } \ ip [ -force ] -batch filename \ where OBJECT := { link | addr | addrlabel | route | rule | neigh | ntable | \ tunnel | tuntap | maddr | mroute | mrule | monitor | xfrm | \ netns | l2tp } \ OPTIONS := { -V[ersion] | -s[tatistics] | -d[etails] | -r[ < 1487183395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a separate bullet point from the JIRA integration. < 1487183395 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ip route < 1487183396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487183403 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ip addr < 1487183404 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN \ link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 \ inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo \ valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever \ inet6 ::1/128 scope host \ valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever \ 2: sit0: mtu 1480 qdisc noop state DOWN \ < 1487183410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: might want to check that you're not following symbolic links ^ < 1487183430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test < 1487183431 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487183432 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? license < 1487183433 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :license? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487183507 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? licence < 1487183508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :licence? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487183553 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not following symbolic links in what? < 1487183595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the FILE part. as you see, the /hackenv can link outside. < 1487183606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, make sure that the result is not outside. < 1487183622 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1487183637 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since it's a rather different outside than that outside. < 1487183645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487183674 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I should allow overwrites or not. < 1487183742 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.5" < 1487183764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of the obvious uses would be to directly replace a bin/ command without extra noise, renaming would defy that < 1487183855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one could put it in tmp/ first - but as i implied a while ago, that could mean there's no trace of the actual `fetch in history. < 1487183874 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487183895 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a-true. Anyway, tmp/ is very user-unfriendly if you forget what happens when you mv. < 1487183901 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487183930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf has been hinting we should make a bin/mv to safeguard that. < 1487183977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we=you hth < 1487183990 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIRA is scow < 1487184056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm just not sure how to do it correctly. < 1487184071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, i'm also lazy. but also not sure.) < 1487184074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls tmp < 1487184075 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 \ metar \ pad.1 \ pad.1 print 1+! \ pad.print 1+! \ spline \ spout < 1487184120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp/split > /dev/null; echo $? < 1487184121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp/split: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1487184125 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp/spline > /dev/null; echo $? < 1487184126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1487184139 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i wisdom/testing > /dev/null; echo $? < 1487184140 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/testing: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1487184144 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: jira is ok < 1487184146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for that. < 1487184180 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the other components of the atlassian-verse that I don't like < 1487184184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably do something. < 1487184191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp/spline < 1487184191 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tmp/spline < 1487184194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i wisdom/testing < 1487184195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/testing: No such file or directory < 1487184198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i wisdom/oerjan < 1487184199 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487184209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i wisdom/ < 1487184211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487184211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg status -i tmp < 1487184212 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tmp/8 \ I tmp/metar \ I tmp/pad.1 \ I tmp/pad.1 print 1+! \ I tmp/pad.print 1+! \ I tmp/spline \ I tmp/spout < 1487184229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, close enough. < 1487184235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, JIRA is scow. < 1487184277 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confluence and hipchat are much worse < 1487184298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confluence is pretty scow. < 1487184303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used that other one. < 1487184322 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hipchat is basically an inferior imitation of IRC < 1487184338 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a JS browserapp < 1487184340 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Confluence instance at the university. < 1487184343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty enterprise. < 1487184359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wanted to reverse the rows in a big table in confluence. < 1487184373 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up doing it with a program that sent keystrokes to the browser. < 1487184381 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kek < 1487184408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not? < 1487184447 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i see two problems: interpreting the arguments of mv correctly, and deciding what to do with a tmp/ file that is being moved. < 1487184483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see those problems as your problems hth < 1487184497 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can I not what? < 1487184502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing a mv by a cp on the first run isn't necessarily correct if it's part of a larger command. < 1487184516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4chan this place up, or whatever you're doing. < 1487184571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it might be better to _not_ change mv, and instead let HackEgo handle tmp/ specially ... making a copy of it after each commit. < 1487184599 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i herd u liek mudkipz < 1487184616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. Please cease. < 1487184621 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1487184635 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1487184640 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually never mind that's 4chan like 2006ish, I'm totally dating myself < 1487184681 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1487184698 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is tmp/ can be changed without commits, and that's part of its purpose... < 1487184722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awkward. < 1487184732 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the current mv behavior. < 1487184739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fits the flavor. < 1487184759 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ur base r belong 2 us! < 1487184816 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:486e:8be0:f3f9:38b8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487184905 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I really need to catch up, I barely know any of the newer *chan memes < 1487184911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: OKAY < 1487184983 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-sdrsgbbwgfmgheey QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487185079 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fbuhxpuhlaoibqcc JOIN :#esoteric < 1487185379 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hierjan < 1487185395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know what's also p. scow? Building JSON by concatenating strings. < 1487185395 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren, what'shachaf up < 1487185438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do you think of a streaming JSON protocol? < 1487185486 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. https://buckbuild.com/rule/worker_tool.html < 1487185490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a common thing to do? < 1487185512 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not < 1487185578 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it's worse than I thought < 1487185655 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the thing where you have an infinite array of things? < 1487185660 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1487185696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to be finite in this case. < 1487185707 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's even an end to it. < 1487185710 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting something that would have some sort of fault tolerance < 1487185736 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely anecdotally, I think the "one JSON object per line" convention is more popularer. < 1487185745 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that < 1487185759 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think I'm a big fan of either, but still. < 1487185762 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can handle faulty objects < 1487185803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of protocol would you use? < 1487185820 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stream of length-delimited protos hth < 1487185827 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not. < 1487185839 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it weird that it's such a second-class citizen, though. < 1487185848 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you would use grpc < 1487185864 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of actual RPC thing yeas < 1487185894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is Cloud Spanner the future? < 1487185913 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the languages that have proto runtimes have functions for reading varint-length-prefixed messages, but others don't. < 1487185944 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about Cloud Spanner. < 1487185962 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web page definitely isn't shy about its virtues. < 1487185997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about regular Spanner? < 1487186027 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much about it either. It's not like we're running Spanner on Android phones. < 1487186043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe add an asterisk on that, you never know. < 1487186057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? they have a gps hth < 1487186074 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Closed: this is not correct English so we won't support it" < 1487186141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can always use http://stackoverflow.com/a/22927149 < 1487186202 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've done. < 1487186222 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngkemfbhulviyuvh JOIN :#esoteric < 1487186964 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487187356 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487187531 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language where numbers aren't first class < 1487188464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487188825 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Nors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50975&oldid=50973 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+121) 10 < 1487188894 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50976&oldid=50971 5* 03Calvin Games 5* (+43) 10 < 1487188965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487189034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1487189817 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:486e:8be0:f3f9:38b8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487190028 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487190242 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487190264 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487191183 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487191576 0 :madhur!~madcodes@103.27.8.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487192295 0 :furozo!~harald@priva.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1487192881 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487193146 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487193217 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought this bluetooth headphone adapter with microphone. Has built-in microphone, round jack slot for any headphone, and connects to my mobile phone via bluetooth so I can play music through or make calls. < 1487193302 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a strange interface bug: if I set the music volume on the mobile phone to 1, then whenever the music player switches tracks, whether because I explicitly change or the current track ends, the adapter resets its volume to muted, though I can change that volume with the volume button on the adapter. < 1487193319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I set the volume on the mobile phone to 2, then I think the volume still resets after every track, but not to muted. < 1487193498 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tested calls through it yet, even though that's the main purpose (I don't need a microphone adapter for just listening to music, I can plug the headphones directly to the phone for that), will test tomorrow. < 1487193925 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fbuhxpuhlaoibqcc QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487194049 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rnvpyspjuidpdycu JOIN :#esoteric < 1487194095 0 :\oren\_!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1487194678 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487194978 0 :madhur!~madcodes@103.27.8.110 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487195134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fluffle Puff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50977&oldid=50961 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+45) 10 < 1487195353 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487196146 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I was doing the `fetch thing, and found a bug of sorts, so at least it was useful for that. < 1487196146 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487196250 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bug could be in the mobile phone's software of how it handles bluetooth headsets of course. < 1487196483 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdg3vwj755mg7.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1487197193 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1487197205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: getchangegroup() got an unexpected keyword argument 'heads' < 1487197222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interweb suggests (older versions of) git-remote-hg isn't compatible with Mercurial 4. < 1487197440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuugh the build still isn't built < 1487197455 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487197457 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844939 it is a sad < 1487197467 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just not be trying to use git with Bitbucket. < 1487197474 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487197479 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILD THE WALL^H^H^H^HPROJECT < 1487197517 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop parsing everything over and over < 1487197544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid C++ templates < 1487197849 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487197870 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rnvpyspjuidpdycu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487198009 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-icpvjvkmrsnuwwae JOIN :#esoteric < 1487198187 0 :furozo!~harald@priva.io QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1487198305 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god, gcc parses the same thing over and over and over < 1487198398 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey what if there was an esolang with a similiar feature < 1487198745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's just any macro language < 1487198848 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487198923 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487198927 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Hey there. Fairly new here, at the same time I've been lurking for quite a while. < 1487198971 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some sort of graphical brainfuck variant? Because I just implemented one. < 1487199005 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my 3DS, no less. < 1487199174 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwo do you mean, "graphical" < 1487199199 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each cell is a pixel < 1487199228 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. < 1487199808 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487199827 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan 23:03 Usage: fetch URL or fetch OUTPUT_FILE URL (no spaces or quoting in OUTPUT_FILE) < 1487199827 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1487199854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch < 1487199855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: fetch URL or fetch OUTPUT_FILE URL (no spaces or quoting in OUTPUT_FILE) < 1487199880 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's wrong with making it ///-separated? < 1487199891 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just too odd. < 1487199898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ////-separated < 1487199902 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To allow for file:/// < 1487199919 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not a supported scheme anyway. < 1487199923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1487199934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch gopher://zzo38computer.org/ < 1487199935 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/: Unsupported scheme `gopher'. < 1487199938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1487199944 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just wget. < 1487199963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you fix it to suppose gopher? < 1487199965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :support < 1487199972 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: previously it didn't add a -- before the URL. < 1487199982 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:01 `fetch --version < 1487199983 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:01 GNU Wget 1.13.4 built on linux-gnu. < 1487199993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That fact would have been a lot more fun without the word "previously". < 1487200003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie < 1487200003 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Wed Feb 15 23:06:43 2017 < 1487200023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:02 @tell oerjan I was doing the `fetch thing, and found a bug of sorts, so at least it was useful for that. < 1487200031 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 < 1487200046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : | fact n = n * fact (n-1) < 1487200071 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-icpvjvkmrsnuwwae QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487200319 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ipvswxelwohyxwyx JOIN :#esoteric < 1487200325 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487200378 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was just typing up a pull request as our internet went away. < 1487200402 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1487200402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1487200418 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, didn't update that. < 1487200534 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also had to put it in the 'default' branch instead of using a separate feature branch, because there's a bunch of local changes in the live HackEgo and hg seemed to be a little scow about that and branch changes. < 1487200564 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Mercurial thing about branches and bookmarks, I find it a little confusing. < 1487200586 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this thing is chrooted correctly < 1487200613 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 someone runs rm -rf / and throws everything away < 1487200683 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thing for that, if only because doing `revert is a little wearying. < 1487200804 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :juju2143: As a belated answer to your earlier question, yes, there's a thing that was called "bfvga" or something similar, turned up in the demoscene circles. < 1487200863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does what it sounds like it does: maps the brainfuck tape into the VGA video memory. < 1487200950 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.gudinna.com/BrainfuckVGA I don't know if this was exactly the same thing, stands to reason something like that would've been independently reinvented several times. < 1487200956 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the internet came back.) < 1487201022 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1487201054 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You came back too! < 1487201054 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm gonna totally ace that class < 1487201072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotology < 1487201073 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it only looks like chat on the surface... nothing in-depth though. qc gates have to be < 1487201186 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1487201186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1487201212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch --help file://invalid < 1487201213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :file://invalid: Unsupported scheme `file'. < 1487201220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg < 1487201245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you think gflags is a good way to do command-line arguments? < 1487201252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming things worked out as they should, that would've written the output into ./--help. < 1487201253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487201262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pass your arguments? "--arg value" or "--arg=value"? < 1487201265 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I seem to recall wget might do that with -O even when it doesn't. < 1487201270 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1487201270 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hello_output_test.txt \ --help \ hw \ ibin \ index.html \ index.html.1 \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test1 \ test2 \ tmflry \ tmp \ wdiff-latest.tar.gz \ wisdom < 1487201283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat -- --help < 1487201283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -- --help < 1487201283 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487201285 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487201323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my perception of the rule has always been that -a value is the short convention and --arg=value is the long one < 1487201337 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487201346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gflags is slightly different from the flags you're thinking of anyway. < 1487201349 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rationale, per the man page, is that "wget -O foo ..." is supposed to work like "wget ... > foo", which would also have created/truncated the output file even if it fails. < 1487201373 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't usually use the =, I think. Not sure. < 1487201390 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Okay, that's not entirely true, I do use it for at least blaze. < 1487201402 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. Ahh, I don't know. < 1487201431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underscores are what feel odd to me. < 1487201495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underscores are odd but also they make sense. < 1487201496 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks for that, but my implementation is a bit fancier. < 1487201562 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each line and each column is a circular tape, and I added a @ command to switch between horizontal and vertical mode < 1487201627 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you rotate the tapes? < 1487201647 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, it's not mapped directly in memory and you need to use . to print a pixel. < 1487201654 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1487201662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's pretty fancy. < 1487201679 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uh, no, actually. < 1487201723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have to put the pixels separately, maybe that's not so relevant. I was just thinking that might look interesting. < 1487201726 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're on line 0 you'll need to @ to go to column 0 then > and @ again < 1487201740 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go to line 1 < 1487201807 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some other languages that have a bit of a graphical focus, but I don't think we have a category for them. < 1487201815 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's https://esolangs.org/wiki/BytePusher for example. < 1487201936 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty sure if you go through all of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_derivatives there's going to be at least somewhat similar. (Drawfuck, at least.) < 1487202023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that much similar -- it's got a normal brainfuck tape, it's just been augmented with a X, Y register pair you can use to poke a pixel into.) < 1487202632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487202752 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487202778 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487202792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gold < 1487202792 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 1h 50m 45s ago: I was doing the `fetch thing, and found a bug of sorts, so at least it was useful for that. < 1487202792 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 49m 24s ago: 23:03 Usage: fetch URL or fetch OUTPUT_FILE URL (no spaces or quoting in OUTPUT_FILE) < 1487202799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my initial suggestion was essentially to make it " http[s]://"-separated. < 1487202824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you essentially have `fetch FILE URL, but don't need to disallow spaces. < 1487202939 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, we rarely use spaces in filenames outside wisdom/ < 1487202963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're not very useful for bin/) < 1487202998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there should be a version of ` that allows spaces in command names. < 1487203004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*\ * < 1487203005 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/ < 1487203013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*\ * | xxd < 1487203014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 6269 6e2f 200a bin/ . < 1487203029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ < 1487203029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec < 1487203038 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xxd bin/ < 1487203039 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 6578 6563 200a exec . < 1487203043 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487203062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that maybe an attempt to make ` cmd work < 1487203076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg bin/ < 1487203078 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487203082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1487203094 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/ < 1487203096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6583:2016-01-18 ` echo "exec $@" >> \'bin/ \' < 1487203114 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we need to ask zgrep what the purpose was < 1487203147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the doag, i don't think it did what e wanted, anyway. < 1487203151 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/ < 1487203152 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487203162 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess that could've been reasonable too. Anyway, it is what it is. There's some other gotchas as well, like the thing where it truncates the output file to be empty if `fetch files, which might easily go unnoticed. < 1487203175 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/16.01.17 < 1487203192 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's a pretty ugly gotcha. < 1487203212 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:29 The rationale, per the man page, is that "wget -O foo ..." is supposed to work like "wget ... > foo", which would also have created/truncated the output file even if it fails. < 1487203220 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go as far as to call it a scow. < 1487203240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any option to disable it? < 1487203254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I noticed. < 1487203273 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hello. What did I mess up now? < 1487203307 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/ < 1487203308 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/ ': No such file or directory < 1487203311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1487203333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: you tried to make "bin/ " about a year ago, but it failed for two different reasons. < 1487203347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i removed it, since it's useless. < 1487203349 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :O-okay. < 1487203365 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past zgrep is a whole other zgrep. < 1487203375 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember that in the slightest < 1487203378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first reason is that you can't get ` cmd to work that way, the other is that you messed up quoting) < 1487203384 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1487203443 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, how many esoteric interpreters / compilers are inside HackEgo. < 1487203481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :` relcome zgrep < 1487203483 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09zgrep: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1487203522 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :` echo does # this work? < 1487203523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1487203558 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ls -1 bin < 1487203559 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1487203577 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -1 bin | grep relcome | wc -l < 1487203578 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1487203594 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to continue being confused then. < 1487203602 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HackEgo behave weirdly with notices? < 1487203619 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... oh, wait, I'm not looking at my screen properly. < 1487203622 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should take a nap. < 1487203718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm a simple workaround would be to drop the commit if the file ends up empty < 1487203767 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once again, tmp/ gets left out :P) < 1487204007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: shachaf is cheating hth < 1487204110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly you can see it in your client, i cannot) < 1487204171 0 :juju2143!d8897f3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.137.127.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the help. I also made a musical brainfuck, this should be interesting. < 1487204395 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1487204395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] < 1487204406 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot. < 1487204422 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` echo shocking. < 1487204423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1487204453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's between the ` and the space fwiw < 1487204453 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. Now I'm going to have to figure this out. < 1487204478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with my client, even that doesn't help. < 1487204495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1487204536 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a ^O? < 1487204553 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at a 4 column ascii chart < 1487204565 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI. < 1487204579 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the control codes have special meaning for irc. < 1487204597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^O is "cancel formatting" or something like that < 1487204616 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Plausible, but would involve a little interaction with lib/fetch and the transaction logic. < 1487204616 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is, it seems. < 1487204653 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which `python -c 'print"\x0f"'` < 1487204654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/ < 1487204664 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which `python -c 'print"\u200b"'` < 1487204665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487204678 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: As it stands, fetch runs under the same transaction logic. (Yes, it fetches the URL twice.) < 1487204682 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Juju214314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50978 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+421) 10Created page with "I'm '''juju2143''' (or '''Juju''', mind the capitals) and I program things. I wrote my first [[Brainfuck]] interpreter in TI-83+ BASIC around 2009 and it keeps happening sinc..." < 1487204693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat wisdom/fetch < 1487204694 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/fetch: no such file in rev 1b9e4e8dbb85 < 1487204697 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Juju214314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50979&oldid=50978 5* 03Juju2143 5* (+1) 10 < 1487204701 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat wisdom/revert < 1487204701 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/revert: no such file in rev 1b9e4e8dbb85 < 1487204707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1487204713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat wisdom/\`revert < 1487204714 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`revert now works fine. Yay fizzie! < 1487204724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could use that ^ < 1487204806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps whatever the command is for reverting the file back to rep < 1487204824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run it inside lib/fetch < 1487204878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the transaction logic should recognize that nothing changed, by itself. < 1487205120 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1487205136 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that after the current behaviour turns out to be a problem. < 1487205150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1487205181 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably if you're overwriting a file, and it fails, you're going to just keep trying until it has the contents you want, anyway. < 1487205190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1487205215 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...will it give an error message, then? < 1487205235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's probably unlikely to be a problem. < 1487205238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll say whatever wget says. So usually an error message of some sort. < 1487205251 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not be a particularly good error message. < 1487205255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1487205483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1487205483 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1487205491 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`source < 1487205492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found < 1487205494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? source < 1487205495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sources for HackEgo can be found at https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox < 1487205526 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one really quirky corner case it currently gets wrong, which I'm not going to bother worrying about. (Mostly because I already made the pull request.) < 1487205526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx source//\? source < 1487205528 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source < 1487205534 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch tmp/foo https://zem.fi/tmp/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/foo < 1487205537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-02-16 00:38:45 URL:https://zem.fi/tmpfoo [4/4] -> "/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/tmp/foo" [1] < 1487205558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can we get access to tmp/ via HTTP somehow? < 1487205599 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a .replace() that converts the "raw" path in the wget output to the "logical" path, but it fails if the $HACKENV path happens to be a substring in the URL. < 1487205622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLY < 1487205703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, probably unlikely < 1487205755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat tmp/foo < 1487205755 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1487205774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just about the output printed? < 1487205783 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487205801 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it wouldn't be HackEgo if it weren't hacky. < 1487205841 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1487205844 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaventions are hacky?! < 1487205911 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That might be a bit tricky. Definitely not via fshg, and I don't think it would be feasible in the naive way of just pointing the web server at the directory. < 1487205912 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1487205942 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, if I make that happen you'll start asking for a way to NFS-mount tmp/ on your machines. < 1487206004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\pence{that's nonsense} < 1487206035 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's \pence < 1487206097 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much disk space does HackEgo have... < 1487206097 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be Mike Pence. < 1487206134 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df -h < 1487206135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1487206137 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1487206145 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, given how it works. < 1487206154 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably some way to work around that. < 1487206160 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's 28 gigs or so free. < 1487206165 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1487206177 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was thinking of loading some dictionaries onto there, unless there's already some there. < 1487206233 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` df -h /hackenv < 1487206234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory \ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on \ - 39G 9.6G 28G 27% /hackenv < 1487206239 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1487206243 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D: < 1487206258 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` df -h /hackenv 2>/dev/null < 1487206259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on \ - 39G 9.6G 28G 27% /hackenv < 1487206286 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A statfs call on the UML bind mount is fine, it's just the getting of mountpoints that it can't do. < 1487206372 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does mk / mkx let you make multiline things in an easy fashion? < 1487206385 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which env < 1487206385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/env < 1487206398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're single-line-only. < 1487206415 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` url `which mk` < 1487206415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk < 1487206439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been some talk of a line editor, which I think should use tmp/ for state, if someone goes ahead and does one. < 1487206468 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask why, then I realised IRC. < 1487206500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people generally just fall back to `fetch at the point things get too tricky. < 1487206514 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ed < 1487206514 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ed < 1487206532 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1487206556 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :E-except mercurial says not found? < 1487206565 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` url `which ed` < 1487206566 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1487206570 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I see. < 1487206573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking of doing it. < 1487206588 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a bad idea of how to do it < 1487206715 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an attempt already, but it went nowhere, except for leaving some cruft in tmp. < 1487206719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls tmp < 1487206719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 \ foo \ metar \ pad.1 \ pad.1 print 1+! \ pad.print 1+! \ spline \ spout < 1487206746 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could in fact do it the naive way after all. < 1487206815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the naive way involve mv for the final step? < 1487206834 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I meant the "expose tmp over HTTP". < 1487206838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i do it the knave way < 1487206842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1487206844 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do it. < 1487206847 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487206847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The permissions look plausible (after all, the web server can access the repository too), and nginx might be configurable to override content-type with something safe-ish. < 1487206865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use application/octet-stream and annoy everyone. < 1487206871 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1487206879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the fshg raw links do. < 1487206892 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1487206898 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels annoyed < 1487206903 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must be everyone < 1487206911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it < 1487206921 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to serve a guessed MIME type, but there's obvious problems if there's anything else on the same domain. < 1487206940 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I guess it would be safer. < 1487206950 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if text/plain would be okay. < 1487206957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think text/plain should be fine? < 1487206980 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487206990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can look a bit odd if it's a big binary file, but maybe that's not too bad. < 1487207013 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Risks of serving untrusted content under HTTP Content-Type: text/plain" < 1487207043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't text/css supposedly a workaround people use < 1487207064 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds vaguely familiar. < 1487207106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it and ask questions later < 1487207123 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lizojufjmarwktve PRIVMSG #esoteric :And question answers. < 1487207156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch minsk https://esolangs.org/wiki/The Amnesiac From Minsk < 1487207158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-02-16 01:05:46 URL:https://esolangs.org/wiki/The%20Amnesiac%20From%20Minsk [41183] -> "minsk" [1] < 1487207169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does work < 1487207173 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm minsk < 1487207174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487207187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it splits at most once, at the first whitespace. < 1487207235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what , 1) is for, i guess < 1487207251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces are invalid in URIs anyway. < 1487207322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch .hg/test https://esolangs.org/wiki/The Amnesiac From Minsk < 1487207324 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-02-16 01:08:32 URL:https://esolangs.org/wiki/The%20Amnesiac%20From%20Minsk [41183] -> ".hg/test" [1] < 1487207335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1487207336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat .hg/test < 1487207339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*COUGH* < 1487207345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat .hg/test < 1487207346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ \ \ \ The Amnesiac From Minsk - Esolang \ \