< 1488672438 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht about real number < 1488673371 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488674131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1488674262 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51202&oldid=51186 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+162) 10 < 1488674330 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51203&oldid=51202 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+89) 10 < 1488674371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ChuckScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51204 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+3760) 10Created page with "ChuckScript is an [[esoteric programming language]] designed by Andrés Ortiz based on the concepts of [[Unary]], where all the code is written using only zeroes. The language..." < 1488674581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :% not being a Prelude function ruins my golfing attempt :( < 1488674588 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1488674620 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was going to cheat on the input format) < 1488674622 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar AFF < 1488674627 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @metar EDMO < 1488674627 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1488674632 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh durp < 1488674635 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar AFF < 1488674653 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it need KAFF? < 1488674664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport AFF < 1488674665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oberpfaffenhofen (OBF, EDMO) \ Graaff Reinet (?, FAGR) \ Muzaffarabad (MFG, OPMF) \ Muzaffarpur (?, VEMZ) \ Flagstaff Pulliam Airport (FLG, KFLG) \ Schaffen Diest (?, ?) \ Safford Regional Airport (SAD, KSAD) < 1488674674 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport KAFF < 1488674675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1488674680 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1488674702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems not to have it at all. < 1488674722 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAFF is not exactly a minor airport. < 1488674732 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Air Force Academy's airfield. < 1488674744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport force < 1488674745 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kirtland Air Force Base (IKR, KIKR) \ Hickam Air Force Base (?, PHIK) < 1488674760 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KAFF < 1488674760 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAFF 042358Z AUTO 24016G22KT 10SM CLR 16/M22 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP109 T01591217 10183 20107 55001 < 1488674769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose no one added it < 1488674770 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, lambdabot can find it at least. < 1488674784 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted there's not that many people that actually fly in or out of it. < 1488674807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone mentioned HackEgo's list being crowdsourced < 1488674848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls share/ai* < 1488674850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/airports.dat < 1488674870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` url share/ai* < 1488674871 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/share/airports.dat < 1488675290 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made Hamster archive program on JavaScript; can be use with file and with memory, and can be use both reading and writing. < 1488675473 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The program is simple, because Hamster archive is a simple format, compared to tape archive and so on) < 1488676413 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488677482 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway02.insomnia247.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1488678761 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hamster archive file format? < 1488679719 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is consist of zero or more lumps; each lump consist of the null-terminated name, the 32-bit PDP-order data size, and then the data. < 1488679873 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDP-ordered? big endian or little endian unsigned int? < 1488679882 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pikhq: Yes, the list is from http://openflights.org/data.html < 1488679903 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 23*20 < 1488679906 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 460 < 1488679911 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: "PDP-endian" usually refers to neither. < 1488679914 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 23**20 < 1488679917 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7161558313345862e27 < 1488679954 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary coded base 23 < 1488679966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It is a 32-bit big-endian combination of two 16-bit little-endian parts. < 1488679980 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Middle-endian < 1488679987 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that < 1488680046 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the most significant 16-bit word is first but inside each 16-bit the least significant byte is first? < 1488680054 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1488680062 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ASCII or EBDIC? < 1488680067 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filename that is < 1488680079 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lump names are ASCII. < 1488680087 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it something like PETSCI. < 1488680090 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1488680139 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the datapart is counted in 8 bit bytes? < 1488680139 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why it uses PDP-endian, but it does.) < 1488680152 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes. < 1488680219 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT. ALL THIS TIME I DIDN"T HAVE 猫 IN MY FONT?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1488680369 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the name can contain full relative paths in the archive? < 1488680454 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: It can, although normally it is a single DOS filename (but it can be longer if needed). < 1488680880 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488680962 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1488681754 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord Ø < 1488681754 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :195 152 < 1488681756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1488681780 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can save 2 bytes by using "Ø" instead of "\128" < 1488681819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ø being the cutest letter to use) < 1488681901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, vim shows byte and character count separately when they differ < 1488682081 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable. < 1488682093 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Of all the things. < 1488682129 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any reason for PDP-endian other than humor? < 1488682271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't know; I didn't invent it. < 1488682283 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized shortly after asking. < 1488682356 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the format was designed by a 14 year old, which leads me to believe that the humor value was the primary reason. < 1488683389 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488685007 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488685411 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488687040 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want a way to make my mouse use polar coordinates instead of normal Cartesian ones < 1488687827 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxbuqsegssgtqdaa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1488693483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i had discarded that "Ø" for something simpler of the same length, but now I can make something _else_ shorter by putting it back... < 1488693506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait stupid unicode < 1488693515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only saves a character, not a byte < 1488693565 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm at 101) < 1488693580 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488695437 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1488696035 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? football < 1488696039 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A football is a ball made of feet. It was rdocscovered in an old burial site near a graveyard full of footless zombies. < 1488696759 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a Chaingate where the f is one step of a Underload program, then the resulting Chaingate-Underload is a superset of Underload, I think? < 1488697022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51205 5* 03Jfb 5* (+2566) 10Created page < 1488697088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51206&oldid=51114 5* 03Jfb 5* (+67) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ < 1488697168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51207&oldid=51205 5* 03Jfb 5* (-51) 10 < 1488697242 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beefuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51208 5* 03Jfb 5* (+74) 10redirect < 1488697259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK, I got past the mountain king. < 1488697439 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm good point < 1488697466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes Chaingate trivially TC < 1488697594 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 zzo38 points out that if your f implements the state transitions of a programming language, then Chaingate is obviously a superset of it. < 1488697594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1488700823 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488701870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas < 1488701873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. < 1488701883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1488703569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1488705072 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1488705913 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1488705918 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script? < 1488705967 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we really need is < 1488705987 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck, but at every - the interpreter goes faster < 1488706307 0 :gk_1wm_su!~222222222@srv-k213.hel.mediateam.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1488706401 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you find the credits? < 1488706470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You mean the audio in the secret area? < 1488706510 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1488706517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1488706541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get there via restart after the normal ending, or the other method? < 1488706551 0 :gk_1wm_su!~222222222@srv-k213.hel.mediateam.fi QUIT :K-Lined < 1488706576 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other method < 1488706601 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal ending is too Zen for me, I don't like it :P < 1488706630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you defeated the mountain king too. < 1488706645 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I did not? hmmmm. < 1488706662 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's more. < 1488706674 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, not going to boot into windows today < 1488706692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get to the secret area gur tngr arrqf gb or pybfrq. < 1488706726 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but you don't need to defeat the mountain king to do that. < 1488706734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you can restart instead. < 1488706739 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor restart < 1488706768 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how? I only found the method to get to that state after finishing the challenge. < 1488706782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just didn't look carefully enough? < 1488706803 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lbh whfg jnyx ol gur tenzzbcubar gb gur pbqr < 1488706814 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1488706822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that there was a path there until I finished it. < 1488706835 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it only opened later. < 1488706851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then. < 1488706881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get much less for finishing it than I thought. < 1488706917 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still missing a cinema code, hmm < 1488706928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get one when you finish it. < 1488706935 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1488706980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's an hour long or something? I didn't watch it. < 1488707010 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to come up with a new paradigm < 1488707033 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you figure out that you can jump through the movies? < 1488707066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through the screen? < 1488707085 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that. I saw that you can see from behind the screen. < 1488707094 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not through the screen < 1488707119 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if there's a movie 10 minutes loing and you want to start at the 5th, that's possible. < 1488707143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1488707145 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I basically found out about that by accident) < 1488707154 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it made perfect sense afterwards) < 1488707155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you use the controls on the left. < 1488707185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make perfect sense? I think those are the only "puzzles" in the game that let you terminate mid-line. < 1488707202 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe the boat does too? But I can't think of other examples.) < 1488707232 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't terminate the boat in the middle either... that would be convenient sometimes. Well, you can make it stop of course. < 1488707259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boat has many secrets. < 1488707282 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect sense afterwards because it acts like a scrollbar. It's hard to discover because it doesn't follow the ordinary puzzle logic. < 1488707309 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boat got me from +1 to about +10, and I'm not sure I figured everything out, probably missed a few. < 1488707384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still haven't said what your +1 was. < 1488707402 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :below the desert laser < 1488707786 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :onfvpnyyl vg unq gb or fbzrguvat znqr pbzcyrgryl bhg bs znpuvarel, ahqtvat zr gbjneqf ybbxvat ng gur ynaqfpncr... naq yngre ersyrpgvbaf, gbb. < 1488707878 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw, when you wrote "The Poochness" was that referring to the dog near the start? < 1488707902 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just wrote the word "pooch". < 1488707907 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that one fairly late) < 1488707909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a dog near the start? < 1488707939 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in a (pointless as far as I could see) cul-de-sac < 1488707985 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "near" < 1488708142 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all sorts of bonuses in the beginning area. < 1488708173 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few that I haven't figured out yet there < 1488708182 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rather cute one *right* at the start < 1488708190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1488708269 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, now that I know that there are over a hundred of them, these don't seem much of spoilers anymore, hmm. < 1488708339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend is in the mountain and apparently hasn't found a single one yet. < 1488708364 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only found one, I just didn't look for them. I focused on puzzles and finding the back entries. < 1488708428 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be dozens there < 1488708433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first one was outside the desert building. < 1488708452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no, I mean, he hasn't found one in the whole game so far. < 1488708459 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1488708483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as far as I can surmise without asking spoiler questions. < 1488708485 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can actually see that happening. < 1488708543 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488708859 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I still wish that game had some sort of story < 1488709072 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(going beyond "oh this was a long dream and here I am waking up from it") < 1488709347 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :adsf < 1488709347 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1488709350 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1488709356 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to come up with a new paradigm < 1488709476 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1488709480 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ideas? < 1488709539 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you figure out the long rectangular puzzle under the desert without brute force? < 1488709625 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1488709691 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: two levels underground on the way to the laser? < 1488709715 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that three, hmm. < 1488709823 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure how long "long" is. What I have in mind is 3 rows, 8 columns or so) < 1488709835 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that's the one, I didn't use brute force there) < 1488709874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used brute force for one side of it. < 1488710066 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1488710100 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: "Think of a new paradigm" really isn't how this works. Paradigm shifts are usually achieved in small incremental steps, or by some brilliant insight into connecting two seemingly unrelated ideas. < 1488710121 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1488710127 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares, I've always made no sense. < 1488710138 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was deliberate. < 1488710142 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, carry on. < 1488710806 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :⇒⇒ < 1488710895 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr. https://www.utwente.nl/en/news/!/2017/3/313543/electronic-energy-meters-false-readings-almost-six-times-higher-than-actual-energy-consumption ... where is the link to the actual study so that I can find out which work load caused that 582% error? < 1488710940 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean I'm used to "journalists" not linking to their sources but this is a university website. sigh.) < 1488711043 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually they do give the publisher and title of the study. why no electronic link though... is it accepted for publication, but not yet online?) < 1488711118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170303180139.htm has an electronic link. < 1488711130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to purchase the document. < 1488711656 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, university has a subscription. < 1488712104 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the 'unless' phrase have a character like 'therefore' does? < 1488712285 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The blue color of the sky is a result of scattered sunlight. Therefore, unless we assume that the sun is shining, the sky will not be blue. ) < 1488712427 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two words don't behave the same way at all. < 1488712748 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1488712772 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an assumption? < 1488712788 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the nasty workload seems to be a dimmed (pulse-modulated) LED with the dimmer triggered at 75% of each half period; they have a huge spike in drawn current at that point, decreasing very quickly. < 1488712841 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you're just asking that for sake of asking a question, aren't you. < 1488712861 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1488712865 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1488712878 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying out syntax for a new, crappier language < 1488713047 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1488713146 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:65d6:4535:a4d1:4fe9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488716086 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1488716649 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\zxc < 1488716703 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1488717049 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488717051 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f198:d9a9:7452:8bad JOIN :#esoteric < 1488717582 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488717622 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is a lambda expression. \a.x is a lambda expression if x is one. < 1488717624 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1488717636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - zig-zag.png10]]" < 1488717662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - zig-zag pass.png10]]" < 1488717679 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - zig-zag fail.png10]]" < 1488717709 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488718026 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what would be a creative syntax for it < 1488718045 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\1 could mean \x.(\y.y)... < 1488718050 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1488718055 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\y.y/\y.x/ < 1488718072 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then what about application < 1488718076 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy is one too... < 1488718078 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :uwrhg < 1488718116 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\/ // -> \xy.xy? < 1488718128 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_index is related < 1488718143 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1488718163 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you seem to have decided to number from the outside... that's a difference) < 1488718176 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1488718180 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488718189 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go with inside < 1488718222 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you replace the numbers with unary slashes < 1488718229 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\// / -> \xy.xy < 1488718243 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :de Bruijn indices also feature in Tromp's binary lambda calculus. https://tromp.github.io/cl/cl.html < 1488718246 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :or \x.(\y.xy) which I think shows how the idea works more < 1488718255 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :donald tromp < 1488718330 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bruijndejx seems to exist < 1488718426 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488718451 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 1 is a number that takes x and y and returns xy (as 2 would return xyy)... < 1488718455 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that work? < 1488718469 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 would return x and would be true... you could do it the other way round and do yx for 1, making it yxx for 2 < 1488718510 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1488718517 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kxy = x. doesn't this make K true? < 1488718553 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, K is true; KI is false. < 1488718559 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488718560 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1488718587 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1488718599 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix = x, right? < 1488718614 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing something? < 1488718621 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that number representation would be quite awkward to work with, though perhaps not impossible. < 1488718652 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1488718665 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1488718666 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1488718669 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so KIxy = y? < 1488718679 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1488718694 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it K(Ix)y? or (KI)xy? < 1488718697 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they the same? < 1488718702 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((KI)x)y) < 1488718705 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I doubt they're the same... < 1488718707 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488718708 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait < 1488718738 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((KI)x)y)... so KI takes an argument x and returns I, and then it becomes Iy... oh god that's clever < 1488718984 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - zig-zag unfolded.png10]]" < 1488719304 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, that number format can be used in principle, though I really wouldn't want to. \n x y. n (\t. t y) x converts Church numerals into that format; \q f x. q ((\a. a a) (\a n t. t n (a a (f n))) x) (\x y.y) (\x y.x) converts them back to Church numerals. < 1488719339 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I'm out of ideas < 1488719384 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:65d6:4535:a4d1:4fe9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488719397 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coming up with the latter was a nice puzzle really) < 1488719439 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would I call that slashy language then? < 1488719456 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grass < 1488719467 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that already exist? < 1488719502 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488719517 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd really like is some way to incorporate lambda-like functionality into bf < 1488719549 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1488719551 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea < 1488719569 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted it's a bf derivative idea but it's not a noob one < 1488719654 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is a better way to convert to Church numerals: \q f x. q (\h. h x) (\n h. h (f n)) (\n. n) < 1488719714 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488719740 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grass exists. Lawn doesn't. < 1488719753 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawn has a w in it so Grass should have been called Lawn < 1488719842 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in any case it's a visual idea... \|/ are grass leaves leaning left, not at all, and right, respectively. < 1488719845 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1488719892 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\//|/ < 1488720049 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1488720056 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I put lambda calculus into bf < 1488720315 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a lambda expression is applied, you could shift all the cells to the right and place the application in the leftmost < 1488720800 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh.. < 1488720806 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I need is a stack < 1488720810 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1488720811 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I need < 1488720812 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1488721291 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1488721469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51213&oldid=51167 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+4395) 10computational class < 1488721639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51214&oldid=51213 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+30) 10/* Computational class */ < 1488721873 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I think this works: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Trajedy#Computational_class < 1488721873 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1488722333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51215&oldid=51214 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+104) 10/* Computational class */ < 1488722438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51216&oldid=51215 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+21) 10/* Notes */ < 1488723376 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488723474 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu TOPIC #esoteric :The exact ray tracing channel | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1488723507 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of paradigms, I can't quite find any related languages to Trajedy to link to < 1488723535 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :povray ;) < 1488723593 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tbf the beacons are not very realistic as optical devices < 1488723683 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of ray tracing, but it sounded too “interesting” to make into a language < 1488723698 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think snell's law already gives you transcendental equations < 1488723709 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ray tracing? < 1488723740 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trajedy has ray tracing elements < 1488723749 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1488723781 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :specular reflection should be computable with sqrt field extensions, though < 1488724187 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1488724188 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1488724214 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a function-oriented programming language < 1488724924 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :another unexplored area seems to be fluid dynamics < 1488725040 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :borororor < 1488725056 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might get dangerously non-esoteric though, I think terry tao has done some Serious Research™ on whether undecidable fluidics can exist in a navier-stokes system < 1488725091 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://gilkalai.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/navier-stokes-fluid-computers/) < 1488725115 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :aze < 1488725118 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, he only discussed the possibility. but it must have been discussed Seriously. < 1488725312 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1488727241 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :agrh < 1488727243 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need moar idaes < 1488727355 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :read some books < 1488727412 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu < 1488727541 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am really bored < 1488727734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51217 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+144) 10Created page with "== Doesn't the Bee Movie Script have . and ,? == What happens here? ~~~~" < 1488727839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51218&oldid=51217 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+111) 10/* Doesn't the Bee Movie Script have . and ,? */ < 1488727851 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488727896 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot! < 1488727951 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ! < 1488728034 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boroed < 1488728198 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1488728406 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. < 1488728408 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOred ! < 1488728409 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bored. < 1488728569 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya aya ay aya aya aaaaya ayaya. < 1488728709 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language with real numbers < 1488728872 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1488729734 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about X11 programming? Specifically, how to load in a TrueType Font? < 1488730184 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably documentation exists for xft? < 1488730663 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: is the "nearest matching beacon" with respect to the position where the ray enters the beacon, or the beacon being entered? < 1488730741 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the beacon that has the nearest point to the current pointer position < 1488730753 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1488730757 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which of those you mean, but that is it < 1488730806 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one could do a comparison like this http://sprunge.us/BjPP < 1488730856 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would work < 1488730913 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some of the examples could be simplified with that, in fact < 1488730969 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the bit extraction for the reverse-cat could use that, but I don't think it gives a simpler program < 1488731044 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really just trying to understand the semantics for now < 1488731088 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have -->BB, then the ray enters the left B, moves to horizontally to the right B; what happens then? < 1488731096 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to create a language with time travel but I fear I'll just be copying TwoDucks :/ < 1488731132 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I expect a division by zero) < 1488731136 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it then turns back towards the first B < 1488731145 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :see #Infinitesimals which covers this case < 1488731238 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess < 1488731258 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution (keeping track of which side of a zero-width boundary you're on) is a bit ugly, but I don't think it matters because any program that encounters this just loops forever < 1488731342 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13796256 seems that Aheui is trending in the HN now, 12 years after its initial publication < 1488731630 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, this browser still displays boxes after 12 years < 1488731671 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably install a hangul font here < 1488731676 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grab Noto Sans < 1488731689 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an all-purpose font, sure < 1488731722 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how \oren\'s compares < 1488731771 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boroed. < 1488731981 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could a halting oracle be used to do? < 1488732215 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488732434 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In M:tG, how does casting a spell without paying its mana cost work? If there's an X in the cost, you have to set that to zero. But how does casting Sprout Swarm without paying the mana cost work? Can you choose to buyback, and if so, can you convoke to pay for the buyback cost? < 1488732462 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the new convoke rules that is, not the old one. < 1488733350 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think you can do that. < 1488733459 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - beacon rules.png10]]" < 1488733527 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51220&oldid=51216 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+228) 10/* Normal mode */ diagram for beacon rules < 1488733561 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thint-e) < 1488733616 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't think the TwoDucks halting oracle would work/ < 1488733708 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, eventually the machine will be switched off, or break, or explode, or succumb to the ever-increasing entropy of the universe, meaning that a function doesn't have to loop forever to be classified as non-halting, it just has to take long enough for the machine to die. < 1488733737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51221&oldid=51220 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+58) 10/* Semantics */ < 1488733906 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again < 1488733921 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abstract implementation doesn't care about the entropy of the universe < 1488734422 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f198:d9a9:7452:8bad QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488734980 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488735167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51222&oldid=46028 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+82) 10 < 1488735264 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51223&oldid=51195 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (-15) 10removed codefuck duplicate < 1488735305 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51224&oldid=51223 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+18) 10Added chuckscript language < 1488735380 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1488735432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51225&oldid=51221 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+2333) 10/* Notes */ notes on unconstrained zigzags < 1488736695 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1488736696 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to 10 minutes or until cheese is evaporated. \ Blend the beans and seasonings. Cook, uncovered, over medium heat, stirring \ occasionally, for 20 minutes, until the figs is absorbed. Store in a \ high flavors of the meat mixture, and cover with a size of the \ egg mixture. Serve the sugar canned cheese with salt and pepper. Place \ the flour a < 1488736717 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1488736746 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1488736756 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488736769 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I create a language with time travel _and_ a halting oracle? < 1488736776 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488737879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ChuckScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51226&oldid=51204 5* 03Angrykoala 5* (+316) 10 < 1488737917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should try < 1488738058 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-171-198.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488738336 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I don't think your zigzag device works as advertised: http://sprunge.us/TjgN < 1488738380 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but I also have little doubt that such a divisibility device can be built, it's just a bit harder < 1488738431 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice visual interpreter btw. < 1488738759 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488738763 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast is a halting oracle? < 1488738880 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I'm missing a "reload" button) < 1488738984 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think the answer to both is yes (about the M:tG) < 1488739038 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks < 1488739081 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: try control-R or F5 < 1488739156 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1488739186 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fast halting oracle could be very useful < 1488739320 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: why on Earth would that work < 1488740495 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sorry, I was just replying out of context to the reload button thing < 1488740814 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know why XftColorAllocValue causes a segfault? < 1488741023 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, solved it! < 1488742201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Oracle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51227 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1311) 10Not to be confused with Oracle, that company who I think owns Java. Or was it Sun? < 1488742273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Oracle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51228&oldid=51227 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+206) 10 < 1488742875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Oracle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51229&oldid=51228 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10Minor syntactical fix < 1488742937 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone gonna take a look? < 1488742989 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxcv < 1488743011 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a look at what? < 1488743478 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I add to my font today? < 1488743553 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Oracle < 1488743559 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new, even crappier language < 1488743602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should add more kanji... there are 466 joyo kanji left < 1488743980 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: check if you have all the kanji necessary for Shogi moves notation < 1488744021 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are quite obscure and rarely appear in other context < 1488744039 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you added one yesterday but I'm not sure if there isn't more left < 1488744070 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1488744075 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1488744077 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right yet < 1488744078 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but soon < 1488744092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, those accented latin and cyrillic letters I mentioned that don't have a precomposed character in unicode < 1488744251 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg now < 1488744708 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see: 將 isn't a joyo kanji < 1488744742 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's even jinmeiyou. < 1488744771 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is. < 1488744817 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :香 is joyo tho < 1488744829 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not uncommon. < 1488744846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the only ones left (by a cursory scan) < 1488744877 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi < on this page. maybe I should check the japanese wiki page for others < 1488744909 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That article looks comprehensive for the notation at least. < 1488746630 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1488746636 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[--->+<]>------.>--[----->+<]>-.+++++++++++++.--------.---------.+++++++++++++.-[->+++++<]>-.-[--->++<]>-.++++++++++.+[---->+<]>+++.+[----->+<]>.--[--->+<]>.-[---->+<]>++.+[->+++<]>+.---.+++. < 1488746639 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1488746653 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned brainfuck just to say that < 1488746916 0 :AndChat|639249!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1488746916 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488747712 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That certainly looks like a brainfuck program. Then again, so does this < 1488748283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1488748288 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1488748519 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1488749375 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/zigzag.html :) < 1488749395 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is enough for a minsky counter machine < 1488749419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fractran, too, but that's actually a bit more awkward) < 1488749568 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the minsky counter machine with three counters, represent a counters by 1/(3^a5^b7^c11); to check whether a counter is 0, multiply by the corresponding prime and then check whether the new numerator is 1 (--> nonzero) or equal to that prime (--> zero) < 1488749601 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1/11 factor takes care of the 0 < x <= 1/5 precondition of that gadget. < 1488749626 0 :AndChat|639249!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488749885 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tricky part is to turn the ray by 45 degrees, though it's quite possible that my way isn't the best) < 1488750295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck, but every + is replaced with the bee movie script14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51230&oldid=51218 5* 03Ais523 5* (+870) 10/* Cheating */ new section < 1488750984 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488751310 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1488751343 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@199-15-222-253-pppoe.toledotel.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[------->+<]>--.[--->+<]>++.-----------.-[--->+<]>-.-[--->++<]>-.++++++++++.+[---->+<]>+++.+[->+++<]>+.+.----.+++. Mhmm < 1488751599 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Oh I guess we were also missing this: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/merge.html < 1488751850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - zigzag with preprocessing.png10]]" < 1488751885 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - merge.png10]]" < 1488752640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Trajedy - zigzag with preprocessing.png10]]" < 1488753087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51234&oldid=51225 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1478) 10/* The zig-zag divisibility test */ rewrite < 1488753206 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Trajedy - merge.png10]]" < 1488753395 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1488753585 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Trajedy - merge.png10]]" < 1488753628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Trajedy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51237 5* 03Int-e 5* (+228) 10Created page with "Yet another merge device: {| | [ ]Q[ ] L R \/ \/ \ L Q R | [[File:Trajedy - merge.png]] |} ~~~~" < 1488753937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51238&oldid=51234 5* 03Int-e 5* (+98) 10/* The zig-zag divisibility test */ < 1488754544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yopumpkin < 1488754551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51239&oldid=51238 5* 03Int-e 5* (+232) 10/* The zig-zag divisibility test */ recover Fractran reduction < 1488755130 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488755168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51240&oldid=51239 5* 03Int-e 5* (+25) 10/* The zig-zag divisibility test */ fix prime choice < 1488755329 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488755553 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51241&oldid=51237 5* 03Int-e 5* (+117) 10 < 1488755821 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488755899 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, was I wrong... < 1488756118 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488756256 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1488756459 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488756459 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488756589 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sprunge.us/TjgN -- is that meant to be a counterexample? < 1488756669 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be working with the given input (namely 1/5) < 1488756871 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's all my mistake, your gadget actually works, but I misinterpreted what your interpreter did... let me clean up the mess. < 1488757029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51242&oldid=51240 5* 03Int-e 5* (-1833) 10undoing my changes, because the original gadget actually, amazingly, works < 1488757042 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine then, it doesn't hurt to have more fractran reductions < 1488757087 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually looking for a way to enter the zigzag on a corner, like in your gadget, but I didn't know it would entail p-1 output ports < 1488757130 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably easier to prove correct from a corner start, but the gadget looks messier < 1488757305 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. but I haven't yet figured out whether it reliably departs from a corner when the number is not a reciprocal. it actually looks like it should get stuck between the mirrors for some values. < 1488757329 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagining the mirrors to be extended to infinity) < 1488757374 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can prove that from the unfolded diagram (https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Trajedy_-_zig-zag_unfolded.png) < 1488757400 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mirrors in that diagram would be extended to infinity on the right < 1488757473 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if x=p/q, it should reach the corner of the k-th mirror to the right when kp/q is an integer < 1488757530 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bit that I'm not sure about is whether it is guaranteed to never escape before the first such k) < 1488757531 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PC text screen could be stored in a file with no header, with a BSAVE header, or with a MZM header. MZM file can be board-mode or layer-mode, but board-mode is not useful outside of MegaZeux, so instead can describe layer-mode. The header consists of the four ASCII characters "MZM2", two small-endian 16-bit numbers giving width and height, followed by the eight bytes 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00. < 1488757734 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, kq/p < 1488757759 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, it can get stuck. http://sprunge.us/FYYg < 1488757885 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1488757887 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what I did has merit after all, but I was looking for the wrong kind of issue. < 1488757920 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just redo my changes? < 1488757954 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still amazing to me that your gadget *does* hit that corner for all 1/n. < 1488757965 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what other resonances exist < 1488758010 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if there are only a few resonances, there is still some hope of avoiding them in the first place) < 1488758393 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it turns out, infinitely many of them (just pick another corner point within the chamber and draw a path to the first one) < 1488758395 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what I have, mathematically: if x/(6-x) equals 1/(6k+5) then we hit the corner. If x/(6-x) = p/(3q) in lowest terms then I think that'll cause a resonance... so whenever x = 6p/(3q+p)