00:01:02 bood utc midnily. 00:01:41 * oerjan got soaked by this stupid weather 00:02:14 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51371&oldid=51358 * Charliefoxtrot * (+198) 00:02:43 [wiki] [[Evil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51372&oldid=47260 * Charliefoxtrot * (+653) Added quine 00:04:27 slush storms are the worst. 00:06:26 i suppose technically fire storms are worse. 00:09:04 is there such a thing as slushy fire? 00:09:29 not with water slush, i suspect 00:09:36 maybe lava slush will work. 00:10:26 boily: Just for a visit. 00:18:43 helloily 00:20:30 -!- tromp has joined. 00:22:34 quinthellopia! 00:22:49 shapr: if you are free another sunday, ill take you up on the offer to talk my ear off about testing. ill buy lunch. 00:23:40 boily: if youre free another sunday.... :D 00:25:01 ! 00:25:34 . o O ( who is this shapr person again? ) 00:26:45 `? oerjan 00:26:47 Your buddha oerjan is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 00:26:58 <\oren\> oerjan: at least you weren't soake in hydrofluoric acid 00:27:20 Gragh, what's the command to sed wisdom/oerjan again? 00:27:22 true. 00:28:21 `` slwd oerjan 's/buddha oerjan/omnipotent local tyrant oerjan the excessive/' 00:28:22 usage: sled file//script 00:28:34 `` slwd oerjan//s/buddha oerjan/omnipotent local tyrant oerjan the excessive/ 00:28:35 /bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 8: unterminated `s' command 00:28:40 ... 00:28:58 Wait, what? How is that unterminated? 00:29:01 hppavilion[1]: YOU are excessive 00:29:05 oerjan: I am. 00:29:11 oerjan: It's a ZORK! reference hth. 00:30:03 hm curious 00:30:10 `cat test 00:30:10 hum 00:30:25 `sled test//s/buddha oerjan/omnipotent local tyrant oerjan the excessive/ 00:30:26 test//hum 00:30:40 oh 00:30:49 hppavilion[1]: it doesn't use `` 00:31:01 oerjan: Oh yeah, I forgot. 00:31:35 half the point of it is to _not_ have to escape regexps, which `` would defy. 00:31:56 `slwd oerjan//s/buddha oerjan/omnipotent local tyrant oerjan the excessive/ 00:31:58 oerjan//Your omnipotent local tyrant oerjan the excessive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 00:32:26 (I'm sure there's a better title than "excessive", but that's what it is in ZORK!. I imagine it'll now constantly change) 00:32:49 <\oren\> ok, now I'm trying to mod ksp 00:35:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: Happy π day | The exact ray tracing channel | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah. 00:37:59 hppavilion[1]: it's already over here hth 00:38:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: Happy π day to those living under the 2-norm | The exact ray tracing channel | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah. 00:38:19 oerjan: Yeah, true 00:39:05 In Manhattan, π day is instead --03-31 (approximating --04-00) 00:39:29 ...waht 00:40:25 oerjan: You know the various p-norms, yes? 00:40:55 A circle is the set of all points equidistant from some center point (equidistant being the radius) 00:41:48 If you use something other than the 2-norm (euclidean distance) as your definition of distance, you get different shapes, and if you use that same norm to then measure the circumference and divide it by the diameter (2 if you go with the unit circle), you get different values for different norms 00:42:33 And you could say they're different values of π under different norms (or different circles). In Manhattan distance (1-norm, taxicab distance, whatever), π = 4 00:43:36 `wisdom 00:43:37 internationale//You have been reported to the House Un-American Activities Committee. 00:43:58 `? colour 00:44:00 Colour is a phenomenoun froum outeur spacue designeud to drivue humanituy insanue and brinug fortuh the new age of Cthulhu. 00:44:07 `? color 00:44:08 Color is a phenomenon from outer space designed to drive humanity insane and bring forth the new age of Cthulhu. 00:45:36 `? z 00:45:37 colour is the proper spelling. 00:45:37 z? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:45:50 I have tickets to John Cleese on thursday 00:45:53 `? zed 00:45:54 zed? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:47:16 `learn zed is the 26th letter of the alphabet in Commonwealth English. Why they consider what is clearly a 3-letter string to be a single letter is unclear. 00:47:19 Learned 'zed': zed is the 26th letter of the alphabet in Commonwealth English. Why they consider what is clearly a 3-letter string to be a single letter is unclear. 00:47:28 [nobody mention the Dutch's weird 'ij' fetish] 00:54:47 `slwd zed//s/./Z/ 00:54:49 zed//Zed is the 26th letter of the alphabet in Commonwealth English. Why they consider what is clearly a 3-letter string to be a single letter is unclear. 01:04:21 -!- Zarutian has joined. 01:27:58 boily: shapr has been at #esoteric since forever, but not often 01:28:45 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:39:45 `quote shapr 01:39:46 No output. 01:40:07 must've been quite the forever, to not even be recorded through History. 01:42:03 bonnuitopia! 01:42:12 -!- boily has quit (Quit: HOMING CHICKEN). 01:45:22 -!- tromp has joined. 01:48:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:51:29 `quote hitler 01:51:30 20) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! \ 277) Oh, Hitler! You and your wacky antics! \ 538) OMG What if we shoot Hitler with neutrinos 01:51:40 ...why did I expect that to come up empty? 01:52:40 `quote Gandhi 01:52:41 No output. 01:52:54 see. Hitler is more famous than Ghandi 01:53:09 quintopia: ...wait, yeah, that wasn't a question 01:53:16 quintopia: That's not even a joke, he just is. 01:54:03 hppavilion[1]: if you were looking for a search to come up empty, you probably shouldn't search someone so famous! 01:54:29 quintopia: I forgot that it includes the text of the message 01:56:45 `quote wittgenstein 01:56:46 No output. 01:57:12 `quote nietsche 01:57:13 No output. 01:57:25 oh wait 01:57:30 `quote nietzsche 01:57:31 998) oerjan is spreading the tired rumour that if you play Nietzsche backwards you hear Jewish messages. 01:57:39 :D 01:58:07 Echsztein isn't valid Hebrew iirc 01:58:22 That sounds more German, or maybe Yiddish. 01:58:37 Then again, I've never taken or even heard Hebrew in my entire life other than as background gargle on maybe Supernatural 01:58:49 the famous russian physicist Nietsnie 01:59:15 pikhq: Hm, which language uses 'sz' a lot? 01:59:26 polish, hungarian 01:59:35 german 02:00:29 hm does dutch 02:00:30 Apparently German at one point; the double s is a ligature of S and Z originally. 02:01:17 pikhq: Ah, well yeß. 02:05:11 -!- omegasome has joined. 02:05:42 -!- omegasome has quit (Client Quit). 02:05:52 ...everybody ignore that guy^ 02:06:05 pikhq: Strictly, it's an ſz ligature iirc 02:06:10 Yes. 02:06:30 hppavilion[1]: obvious satanist and in the wrong channel 02:06:40 oerjan: Hm? 02:06:49 I wonder how many satanists are here. 02:07:01 hppavilion[1]: omegasome 02:07:15 pikhq: LaVeyan? Probably a couple. 02:07:17 oerjan: Yes. 02:07:21 what's wrong with having satanists here 02:07:23 oerjan: Obvious satanist. 02:07:32 quintopia: Who said there was??? 02:07:45 PH'NGLUI MGLW'NAFH CTHULHU R'LYE- sorry, something in my throat. 02:07:53 hppavilion[1]: That was my assumption. There aren't that many satanists who aren't LaVeyan or clearly informed by him. 02:07:56 quintopia: well they're summoning demons 02:08:18 oerjan: also okay, as long as no summoning succeeds 02:08:45 I can't tell if I'm being called a satanist at the moment 02:10:30 i can't tell if your jokemeter is miscalibrated 02:10:55 oerjan: Well I know that this is all a joke, I just don't know whether I'm a satanist in it 02:11:44 Well, are you a satanist? 02:11:59 pikhq: Oh, no, definitely not 02:12:09 I'm a Cthylla Cultist 02:20:18 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 02:27:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:28:33 oh, pi day is also einstein's birthday 02:33:57 Neat. 02:48:29 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:00:20 -!- tromp has joined. 03:28:45 `2 quote hitler 03:28:46 2/2:ith neutrinos \ 959) i don't think hitler made any bf derivatives \ 982) hm hitler probably did one thing that I like too he banned tubas, I guess I am neutral on tubas oh! he killed hitler oh yeah, there we go thanks Fiora he also killed the guy who killed hitler 03:39:53 <\oren\> I have made three new parts for KSP 03:39:59 <\oren\> https://snag.gy/pHMQK4.jpg 03:40:02 <\oren\> The GNR-KM Long-Mission RTG is powered by Kerbicium, which isn't found anywhere in nature. It outputs a small amount of electricity, but will last a lot longer, we're told. It's blue, too! 03:40:08 <\oren\> The GNR-PO High-Power RTG is powered by polarium, found on the moon Pol and also in the dirt we dug up when we planted the space centre's flag pole. It outputs a lot of electricity and is definitely not just a normal RTG painted red. 03:40:12 <\oren\> The GNR-BP Low-Cost RTG is powered by Boppium, a common isotope found in waste from recycled LV-N rocket motors. It's significantly cheaper than other RTGs. It lacks both power and longevity though. 03:47:21 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 03:47:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nitium). 05:23:10 -!- Cale has quit (Excess Flood). 05:23:53 -!- Cale has joined. 05:26:10 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:26:36 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:27:00 -!- tromp has joined. 06:27:50 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Antixk * New user account 06:31:22 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:16:31 -!- veyd has joined. 08:16:41 -!- veyd has left. 08:54:18 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:24:01 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:27:35 -!- tromp has joined. 09:28:58 -!- iconmaster has joined. 09:28:58 -!- iconmaster has quit (Client Quit). 09:32:47 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:45:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:33:28 -!- Vorpal has joined. 10:33:28 -!- Vorpal has quit (Changing host). 10:33:28 -!- Vorpal has joined. 10:33:40 -!- Vorpal has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:33:57 -!- Guest9965 has joined. 10:35:07 -!- Guest9965 has quit (Changing host). 10:35:07 -!- Guest9965 has joined. 10:35:58 -!- boily has joined. 10:37:20 -!- Guest9965 has changed nick to Vorpal. 10:39:35 Hi! 10:40:06 Hellorpal! 10:41:48 * hppavilion[1] is now playing: Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A Changin' 10:41:54 I love that button 10:42:02 * hppavilion[1] is now playing: Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A Changin' 10:42:06 Ah, there we go 10:42:09 /winamp does that 10:43:08 * boily mapoles hppavilion[1] in the plugin parts 10:43:52 boily: Are you sure about that? 10:43:53 YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE 10:43:54 * hppavilion[1] throws down a smokebomb 10:43:54 * hppavilion[1] dives out the nearest window 10:43:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has left ("HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH"). 10:43:59 -!- thenewguy has joined. 10:44:05 ...apparently this nick is registered. 10:44:06 Who knew? 10:44:10 -!- thenewguy has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 10:47:27 Now I have a CTCP reply WA that allows you to ask arbitrarily what I'm listening to (replying via privmsg) AND a ctcp WA_NEXT to make me change when I have bad taste 10:47:27 :D 10:48:25 @metar KLAN 10:48:26 KLAN 150953Z 31011KT 10SM CLR M09/M14 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP234 T10941144 10:48:44 -9 °C to defenestrate oneself? you're courageous! 10:50:15 boily: ...OK, where's KLAN? 10:50:34 I'm going to guess it's the racist airport? 10:50:35 `icao KLAN 10:50:36 Capital City (LAN, KLAN) 10:50:45 Well, that's useful. 10:51:15 Apparently it's in Lansing. 10:51:16 fizzie: Lansing, MI 10:51:38 I'm waiting for people to abuse CTCP HPPAVILION[1] WA_NEXT 10:51:42 I know for a fact it's gonna happen. 10:53:01 huh. seems to work 10:53:08 boily: Also, just play WA 10:53:15 Bah! 10:53:21 It blocked boily for ctcp floording 10:53:30 aurgh! :D 10:54:04 boily: I think I just permanently unignored you? 10:54:11 it works if I semi-flood. also, you have a weird playlist. 10:54:28 boily: ...NO I DON'T. 10:54:31 * hppavilion[1] is now playing: Chromatik - Trumpet in Bb, Cornet in Bb, Flugelhorn - 99 Red Balloons - Nena Sheet Music, Chords, and Vocals 10:54:34 I have a love hate relationship with Ubuntu LTS. On one hand I don't have to do a major update as often. On the other hand, they feel less stable than normal releases as of late. 10:55:00 I'm shocked that there's a Flugelhorn rendition of 99 luftballons at all.. 10:55:06 s/\.\././ 10:55:36 Vorpal: haven't had any major problems with mine, but I think I get how you feel. it just feels... less? 10:56:27 boily: well, I have an old core 2 duo laptop with intel graphics and intel wifi. Until the most recent LTS it worked perfectly. Now suspend & resume is kind of broken. And the screensaver too. 10:56:39 I get double screensavers while running MATE apparently 10:56:52 So I get two password unlock dialogs 10:57:24 Vorpal: Same password? 10:57:27 I think that's called 2FA 10:57:33 Hah, yeah same password 10:57:36 the suspend resume issues are worse though. On resume, sometimes the wifi doesn't scan properly, so it doesn't detect any network. Forcing a scan via the command line as root fixes it. 10:58:24 The worse issue is that the graphics in some programs such as chrome and steam (but not firefox) breaks and starts to flicker diagonally after resume. Rebooting or restarting X11 fixes that 10:59:07 (why do I have steam on this? It isn't good enough to game. True, but I can still do other stuff, such as activate codes or whatever from it) 11:01:06 fizzie: Hm, considering migrating cfunge from bzr. Any suggestions? Either hg (bitbucket hosting) or git (github) I think. I'm way more used to hg (use it at work), but it feels like it isn't very popular these days. 11:01:11 core 2 duo desktop with an old nvidia card somewhere. I have never seen suspend working. 11:01:22 boily: well this is a laptop, an old thinkpad 11:01:34 So it kind of matters more. If it was a desktop I wouldn't care 11:01:49 I don't think my desktop suspends properly under Windows even. 11:02:00 that's what I have here, an old secondhand machine. it supports windows 7! 11:02:23 Hm 11:03:07 Anyway I can't figure out which programs triggers the graphics glitch. It appears that it isn't stuff using opengl to render or some such simple thing, since glxgears doesn't have that issue 11:03:29 do you have any issues with libreoffice? weird pink rectangles? 11:03:42 I don't think I have that installed 11:03:59 Also I recently rebooted, so I don't have the issue right now 11:04:38 Actually I have it installed, and I remember writing a letter in it a couple of weeks ago (LaTeX felt overkill for that). So probably not? 11:05:08 boily: is that an issue you have? 11:07:29 I had that a few years ago on my ancient thinkpad when in university. 11:08:47 Probably need a new laptop soon. Any recommendations? Need a trackpoint and a matte screen. 16:10 monitor would be great, but I don't have high hopes. 11:08:55 Does that leave me with only thinkpads? 11:09:21 I might go for non-intel graphics this time around though. Needs to work with linux of course 11:10:21 boily: ^ 11:11:07 https://system76.com/ ← I have their Galago. 11:11:17 (well, a previous generation of galago.) 11:11:18 * hppavilion[1] is now playing: Wishful Thinking - Hiroshima 11:11:23 ^^a good one 11:11:25 er 11:11:42 ^s/\^*/^/ 11:11:54 boily: do they ship to EU? 11:11:55 Vorpal: Don't really have any suggestions, though bitbucket does git as well. I'm not too keen on the web experiences of either Bitbucket or Github, but they both get the job done. 11:12:01 ^^s/\*/+/ 11:12:06 Vorpal: eh, maybe? lemme check. 11:12:23 also that page makes my old thinkpad swap heavily 11:13:24 https://system76.com/shipping 11:14:05 I have you filed as "Sweden?" in the The File. do you per chance have more precise geographic coördinates and body weigh? 11:14:36 boily: Sweden is close enough. I value my privacy 11:15:00 So yeah looks like they ship there 11:16:27 "System76 manufactures US keyboard layouts on all laptops. You can choose your own language and software-based layout during the first time-user setup. Keyboard stickers may be used to adjust to your specific language." 11:16:36 boily: argh no. Your enter key is the wrong size 11:16:40 Not going to happen 11:16:56 Also stickers will wear out quickly 11:17:26 I worn out molded keys after all. A sticker wouldn't stand a chance 11:17:56 Also UPS shipping? Ouch. That is the shipping company from hell. At least over here in Sweden. 11:18:33 it's hell here too. I think I ranted about them quite a few times on this channel. 11:18:51 (that, or PDFs. another TLA from hell.) 11:18:57 boily: DHL or the national postal service are far preferable. 11:19:51 boily: what does PDF has to do with it? Isn't it just a subset of postscript? 11:20:16 That is then encoded as binary 11:20:20 it's a subset of a superset of postscript 11:20:23 as opposed to human readable 11:20:27 Oh okay 11:20:48 Jafet: Well I guess that makes sense. PDF has features that doesn't make send in PS. Like bookmarks and links. 11:20:53 I bought one of those "XMG" laptops from https://www.mysn.de/ once, mostly because you could customize what you get. Though I'm not unequivocally happy in retrospect. 11:21:01 fizzie: oh? 11:21:06 What was wrong with it? 11:21:44 Poor battery life, noisy fans. Weighs a lot, especially with a gigantic power brick. 11:21:58 It was more of a desktop replacement than a laptop, really. 11:22:25 Ah 11:22:32 Yes those would all be issues for me 11:23:03 * hppavilion[1] contemplates opening the first seal 11:23:10 I'm looking to start studying again this fall. So I need a replacement for this 15" thinkpad that is not so outclassed by my phone. 11:23:30 My work laptop's a Thinkpad Carbon X1, it's not too bad. 11:23:39 fizzie: how is the keyboard? 11:23:46 They keep coming up with new versions of it, I think they're up to v5 now. 11:24:03 I wouldn't mind a thinner laptop. This one has the USB ports vertically on the side. 11:24:45 It keeps getting categorized as "ultraportable", although that's probably a rather meaningless word. 11:24:55 v5 has c´ 11:25:05 ...gone partially USB-C. 11:25:10 fizzie: can you replace components, like the memory or the HDD in it? 11:25:21 If it is a netbook I would expect no 11:25:36 I don't think "netbooks" really are a thing any more. 11:25:40 Also that is expensive. Almost 2 grand 11:25:57 in USD 11:26:45 Well okay there seems to be like 15 variants of it, ranging from 1k USD to >2k USD 11:26:51 I'm guessing you can likely replace at least the storage, not so sure about the RAM. Probably not that. 11:27:18 -!- boily has quit (Quit: STORY CHICKEN). 11:27:30 Don't think I can really recommend it from a worth-the-price perspective, seeing as I didn't actually buy one. 11:27:37 ah 11:27:39 But if someone gives you one I'd take it. 11:28:02 how large is the screen on that thing? 11:28:30 I think it's a 14" screen or something. 11:28:51 -!- tromp has joined. 11:29:06 hm so smaller than my current one 11:29:12 I really like the 15" form factor 11:29:23 I've got the 2560x1440 variant, which is a little awkward when plugged into an external monitor as well, thanks to Linux not being so great on monitors that have different DPIs. 11:30:27 fizzie: windows sucks at it too. At least windows 7 11:33:09 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:34:50 Something like this doesn't look too bad: https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=3408631 11:35:01 fizzie: you can read Swedish right? 11:35:11 Don't really need the DVD drive though 11:38:56 Why is it with the two factor code, that when you open the app there is almost always like 5 seconds left before the codes refresh, so you have to wait to have any chance of submitting the code in time. 11:39:28 Would be more likely to be uniformly distributed over the 30 second interval 11:41:20 bbiab 11:48:33 Someone told me there's usually a bit of a grace period so you can still use the first one. Assuming you can manage to type it in. 11:49:02 (I usually just wait patiently.) 11:49:50 @metar EGLL 11:49:51 EGLL 151120Z AUTO 28004KT 200V360 9999 NCD 13/09 Q1034 NOSIG 11:50:07 Sure doesn't feel like 13 degrees in the sun. 11:51:47 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:17:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:32:45 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 12:44:43 -!- tromp has joined. 12:49:26 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 12:52:25 -!- tromp has joined. 13:02:49 agner's notes on skylake: The processor turns off the upper half of the 256-bit execution engine when it is not used, in order to save power. Instructions with 256-bit vectors have a throughput that is approximately 4.5 times slower than normal during an initial warm-up period of approximately 56,000 clock cycles or 14 μs. 13:03:33 do we have any power-aware esolangs yet 13:04:11 hmm. warm-up... 13:04:22 I wonder whether that's to be taken literally :) 13:04:52 <_11> huh, I didn't know that 13:05:05 * _11 wonders about some inline assembly in a Rust program of theirs 13:06:45 Jafet: "approximately 56,000 clock cycles or 14 μs", man processors are faaast these days 13:07:28 Also how soon after you stop using those instructions does it turn them off? 13:07:50 _11, I once managed to get close to inline assembly in Agda, I'm sure you can manage 13:07:54 <_11> Vorpal: man, they are 13:08:08 I could find out, if I had a skylake 13:08:24 <_11> Taneb: erm, I was wondering whether my program was affected by that slower throughput 13:08:46 Ah, sorry, didn't see context 13:15:44 There's an Inline::ASM Perl module. 13:16:05 I've only done Inline::C, which was already ridiculous enough. 13:19:15 fizzie: gcc? 13:19:36 It gets silly yes, having to try to tell the compiler what registers you are messing with, and all that 13:20:07 the syntax for that in gcc is silly complicated. Why not it slightly less compact and 10 times more readable 13:21:53 gcc should really just provide more builtins so that you can write all your assembly in C 13:21:54 I have the impression the syntax evolved from GCC internals (in particular the machine description language), not from a principled attempt at designing an inline asm syntax. 13:22:18 Jafet: I looked up that agner thingy. Really cool, but how on earth did he figure this out? 13:22:54 it gets silly these days when you have to pick registers in an asm block in order to tell the cpu what your data flow graph is so that it can rename all those registers internally 13:22:56 fizzie: that would make a certain amount of sense 13:23:48 Jafet: sure, but does Intel & AMD make all this information public somewhere, or how does he know? 13:23:54 Vorpal: from debugging the unexpected results of his benchmarks, presumably 13:24:02 Hm okay 13:25:52 agner is one of those professional cpu archaeologists who spend all their time studying undocumented computing artifacts from alien cultures, like haswell CPUs 13:26:54 with the help of priestly texts written in a shroud of secrecy, like the official intel manuals 13:27:13 imo p. esoteric 13:28:24 Possibly sometimes even exothermic, if you get it wrong. 13:32:17 Jafet: what do you have against haswell? 13:35:24 it was just an example of an architecture whose internal workings are largely secret (which, these days, is all of them) 13:37:00 hm 13:52:35 -!- Zarutian has joined. 13:57:41 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 14:01:57 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:01:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 14:04:06 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:11:05 -!- erkin has joined. 14:22:33 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 14:35:19 -!- nortti has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:37:51 -!- nortti has joined. 14:42:56 -!- Akaibu has joined. 14:46:23 -!- nortti has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:53:42 -!- augur has joined. 15:00:39 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:01:01 -!- hakatashi has joined. 15:20:17 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! 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"Geert Wilders is a true friend of the Moroccan people, says Moroccan Imam" 16:31:47 . o O ( Onion shuts down as they're unable to compete with the real world ) 16:44:38 -!- augur has joined. 16:52:45 `frink 56000/14 microseconds 16:52:56 1/250 (exactly 0.004) s (time) 16:53:07 hum 16:53:43 `frink 56000/(14 microseconds) 16:53:47 4000000000 s^-1 (frequency) 16:55:15 `units 56000/(14 microseconds) 16:55:16 Definition: 4e+09 / s 17:12:06 `olist 1068 17:12:07 olist 1068: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 17:18:06 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:38:02 let's hope they find his sword, at least. 17:42:28 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:08:48 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 18:20:15 I watched this Portal video which showed a three portal gun which could clone things (something goes in blue, comes out orange and red). Imagine if a piece of esoteric hardware could take advantage of this. 18:20:24 Would it be any different from normal hardware, though? 18:20:31 I can't imagine it would be different. 18:38:49 let's hope they find his sword, at least. <-- ??? what is this in reference to? I don't think I have anyone on ignore in here, so where there no context? 18:39:02 were* 18:40:40 Vorpal: the olist hth 18:40:58 oerjan: still blanking on that one 18:41:18 it's two lines above hth 18:41:30 `? olist 18:41:31 olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html 18:41:38 Ah 18:41:53 That one 18:42:31 oerjan: strange notification system. No RSS? 18:43:15 it's traditional hth 18:43:45 Right, so it doesn't have to make sense then :D 18:46:34 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:47:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:54:45 [wiki] [[HI9+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51373 * Rdococ * (+978) In order to help fellow esolangers prove that their new esolangs can quine, I have designed this Turing-incomplete masterpiece. 18:56:03 [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51374&oldid=51339 * Rdococ * (+130) /* My hopefully better esoteric languages (2017 CE - infinity CE) */ 18:59:09 rdococ: actually there are several other interpreters supporting quines, e.g. the one with source code "Hello, world!Hello, world!" hth 18:59:26 hm or wait 18:59:40 a quine should not take input. so only the _empty_ source works. 18:59:56 *sad trombone* 19:00:13 You're misinterpreting it :/ 19:00:33 The point is that implementing HI9+ in a languages requires the code required to produce a quine. 19:00:34 oh wait. 19:00:41 s/languages/language 19:00:57 . o O ( cat $0 ) 19:01:02 This was not the case in HQ9+, hence my construction of HI9+. 19:01:10 Also, the first two letters spell hi :P 19:01:13 rdococ: yes, but my "Hello, world!Hello, world!" example still works. 19:01:18 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:01:35 oerjan: ? 19:01:38 oerjan: if that's your interpreter 19:01:42 wait 19:01:52 * oerjan confuses himself 19:01:58 What language is this source code, "Hello, world!Hello, world!", written in? 19:02:08 That apparently interprets HQ9+? 19:02:16 I believe rdococ may have stumbled on a novel idea here. 19:02:20 that doesn't actually matter. 19:02:27 Stumbled and tripped on a novel idea. 19:02:44 it's novel, i'm just not sure it completely proves the language is capable of quining. 19:02:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:03:25 it probably doesn't because you can use all the ways that are typically considered cheating, like that "cat $0" idea. 19:03:37 oerjan: You're probably right - I think it's something to do with causing an arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point. 19:03:49 Is there joybot on this channel? 19:04:08 also if a language cannot produce any output before receiving any input, which is a more plausible (esoteric) idea. 19:04:29 Imagine a language with only one command, K, that only prints its source code if the input given is I, for example. 19:04:51 You can't cause the effect (quining) at an arbitrary point; at least, not if the input isn't I. 19:04:59 * shapr 's imagining breaks 19:05:34 shapr: i don't recall having joy. we have underload and J though >:) 19:06:09 (underload is the turing tarpit version of joy) 19:06:18 iirc I like J 19:06:26 ^ul (:aSS):aSS 19:06:26 (:aSS):aSS 19:06:35 as in, "I can't remember exactly what J is, but if it's what I think it is then I like it." 19:06:48 [ 1 2 3 + 4 5 6 19:06:49 oerjan: 5 7 9 19:07:45 [ 1 19:07:46 rdococ: 1 19:07:49 Tada, quine. 19:07:51 :P 19:08:20 i think constant-printing REPL commands are usually excluded. 19:08:25 quinetopia! 19:08:25 Aw. 19:09:06 * oerjan doesn't know enough J to do a quine, anyhow. 19:09:07 Ooh, I just had another terrible idea! 19:09:09 IRP with Cortana. 19:09:32 (Or Siri. Heck, maybe Cleverbot.) 19:09:58 (Or Alexis. Why did I think Cortana anyway?) 19:10:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 19:12:06 Why do I feel like GHOST could be turned into something more interesting? 19:13:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 19:14:40 -!- nycs has joined. 19:15:52 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:19:50 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:20:04 Also, does #esoteric have ops? 19:20:31 just wondering, since the founder is set to freenode-staff 19:20:44 Does founder-ness need to be recovered on this channel? 19:21:29 /mode +oerjan 19:21:37 `` dc <<<121272482149097494073462794d110376905358396dPrn100PnP 19:21:38 dc <<<121272482149097494073462794d110376905358396dPrn100PnP 19:22:14 -!- augur has joined. 19:22:21 shachaf: ok, just checking 19:22:44 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:23:03 also, /quote chanserv access #esoteric list 19:23:27 Vorpal: I don't have an RSS reader. hth 19:23:44 Or /msg chanserv for us non-fancy people. 19:24:09 in theory, /quote chanserv protects against absence of services 19:24:31 (and somebody taking the nick.) 19:24:46 I suppose that's true. IRC is kind of scow. 19:25:08 coi int-e 19:25:10 But I don't know whether the freenode servers even have a problem there. 19:25:31 do mo 19:25:45 Doesn't really matter for access list, anyway. 19:25:59 true. 19:26:00