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00:20:57 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I don't know OO really. WHat does anyy of that mean?
00:21:35 * oerjan high fives hppavilion[1]
00:21:59 <hppavilion[1]> Is a singleton when you have an object that doesn't do anything except for store either only loosely- or entirely-unrelated data?
00:22:03 <oerjan> functional or bust!
00:22:03 <shachaf> oerjan-oriented programming
00:22:06 <hppavilion[1]> Instead of just storing it globally?
00:22:17 * hppavilion[1] creates the wiki page for ØO
00:22:26 <shachaf> @google what is a singleton
00:22:27 <lambdabot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singleton_pattern
00:22:51 <hppavilion[1]> "In software engineering, the singleton pattern is a software design pattern that restricts the instantiation of a class to one object."
00:22:56 <shachaf> A singleton is a class that only has one instance.
00:23:00 <shachaf> This instance is stored in a global variable.
00:23:28 <shachaf> But instead of using that global variable directly, you call a method called getInstance() which checks if the variable is initialized and initializes it if it isn't.
00:23:31 <hppavilion[1]> So it's basically using a class for the exact opposite of what classes were invented for?
00:23:42 <oerjan> alas, even haskell has singletons, although goldfire is trying to fix that.
00:24:00 <shachaf> You just said you don't know OO, so how do you know what classes were invented for?
00:24:05 <shachaf> checkmate atheists
00:24:43 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I don't do OO in the sense of using it as my technique. I still do plenty of stuff with classes when they're useful, but I don't structure my code *around* having classes
00:25:01 <shachaf> oerjan: What's wrong with Haskell singletons?
00:25:06 * oerjan has read the original Simula Begin book, or at least part of it.
00:25:30 <oerjan> shachaf: they're just a poor man's pi types, or something.
00:25:39 <hppavilion[1]> Like, if I need a Euclidean Vector, I'll create the EuVector class and make it deal with vectors logically, overloading operators as needed
00:26:10 * oerjan doesn't really know dependent typing either, obviously
00:26:33 <hppavilion[1]> Because that makes sense. I don't want to have to use addVectors(a, b) for addition, and if I'm using Vectors then I'm using a *lot* of vectors, so bundling their structure together in one big thing makes sense
00:26:38 <shachaf> oerjan: Do you like System F?
00:26:53 <oerjan> System F is beautiful
00:27:05 <shachaf> @ask zzo38 Do you like this?
00:27:05 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:27:25 <hppavilion[1]> Classes are good if you want a bunch of related data together, and you want to have a structure for putting that variety of related data together.
00:27:28 <oerjan> shachaf: are you sure you're not approaching harassment with that phrase
00:27:37 <shachaf> oerjan: no :'(
00:27:46 <shachaf> i wouldn't want to be harassing people
00:28:17 <shachaf> i hardly even noticed it until a third party pointed it out
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01:32:57 <Jafet> `? this
01:32:58 <HackEgo> this is a word
01:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> The real problem with Stranger Danger is that it implies to children they don't have to be constantly paranoid about people they *do* know
01:48:11 <Warrigal> So I've got a dumb Wikipedia game.
01:48:34 <Warrigal> Start at whatever article. Try to get to the article "Indo-European languages" by following no more than 4 links.
01:49:10 <Warrigal> Example...
01:49:20 <Warrigal> "Mirza Mohammadabad (Persian: ميرزامحمداباد‎‎, also Romanized as Mīrzā Moḩammadābād) is a village in Garamduz Rural District, Garamduz District, Khoda Afarin County, East Azerbaijan Province, Iran."
01:49:27 <Warrigal> Option 1:
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01:50:25 <Warrigal> That page happens to mention [[Daylight saving time]], and that article mentions the [[German Empire]], from which you can go to the [[German language]], and thence to [[Indo-European languages]].
01:50:48 <Warrigal> Option 2: dude, Persian is an Indo-European language. You only need 2 clicks.
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02:05:19 <Zarutian> Warrigal: can I convince you to deposit some in my Daylight Savings Fund? You know, sunlight for rainy day?
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02:20:09 <hppavilion[1]> @tell Warrigal Oh yeah? Well I've got an even dumber Wikipedia game: Get to the main page in as few clicks as possible.
02:20:09 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:20:46 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I just thought of an actually-interesting one, but you have to be polylingual to make it work
02:21:16 <hppavilion[1]> Given a page and two wikipedia, get from that page on the first wiki to its counterpart on the second in as few clicks as possible
02:24:20 <Zarutian> @tell Warrigal can I convince you to deposit some in my Daylight Savings Fund? You know, sunlight for rainy day?
02:24:20 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:30:13 <shachaf> DST is scow
02:30:58 <shachaf> But I'd be interested in some esoteric daylight derivatives.
02:31:04 <shachaf> I guess they usually call them exotic.
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03:13:25 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: now get to the main page without clicking on anything outside the article proper hth
03:13:50 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: NEEVEEEEEEEEEEER
03:14:39 <oerjan> in fact your polylingual one also needs that restriction to be interesting.
03:16:12 * oerjan feels he may have gone overboard in backseat golfing a newbie at PPCG
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03:17:32 <oerjan> ok apparently not.
03:17:38 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The latter case is acceptable
03:18:12 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Well, it's still interesting in the latter case, but not as much; you're just taking the distance to a particular article from the main page of the target language +1
03:20:12 <oerjan> um the sidebar links go to the corresponding page
03:42:07 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: oh.
03:42:11 <hppavilion[1]> Have we made Esopunk a thing yet?
04:08:20 <oerjan> @ask rdococ <rdococ> Or, if you want to be really gross, through alien saliva. <-- have you read yudkowsky's Three Worlds Collide hth
04:08:20 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
04:17:27 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
04:17:27 <lambdabot> ENVA 040250Z 10004KT CAVOK 05/01 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 16010KT
04:18:01 <oerjan> `cat bin/metar
04:18:02 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | head -n 1)" \ echo lambdabot: @metar "${icao:-$1}"
04:18:52 <oerjan> `metar
04:18:53 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/airport-lookup", line 20, in <module> \ print '%s (%s, %s)' % (row[1], f(row[4]), f(row[5])) \ IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe \ lambdabot: @metar AYGA
04:19:02 <oerjan> `metar ENVA
04:19:03 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar ENVA
04:19:03 <lambdabot> ENVA 040250Z 10004KT CAVOK 05/01 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 16010KT
04:19:16 <oerjan> `airport
04:19:17 <HackEgo> Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ P
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04:19:34 <potato> hello
04:19:37 <potato> everyone
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04:19:54 <Guest54930> oh okay
04:19:55 <Guest54930> then
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04:20:38 <oerjan> `sled bin/metar//s,head,shuf,
04:20:40 <HackEgo> bin/metar//#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | shuf -n 1)" \ echo lambdabot: @metar "${icao:-$1}"
04:20:47 <oerjan> `metar
04:20:48 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar ?
04:20:54 <oerjan> `metar
04:20:55 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar SARI
04:20:55 <lambdabot> SARI 040300Z 00000KT CAVOK 21/20 Q1013
04:21:39 <oerjan> `cat bin/airport
04:21:40 <HackEgo> airport-lookup any "$*"
04:21:56 <oerjan> `cat bin/airport-lookup
04:21:56 <HackEgo> ​#! /usr/bin/env python \ \ import csv \ import sys \ \ if len(sys.argv) < 3: sys.stderr.write('usage: airport-lookup any|name|iata|icao key\n'); sys.exit(1) \ kind, q = sys.argv[1], ' '.join(sys.argv[2:]) \ \ fieldnames = dict(name=1, iata=4, icao=5) \ if kind == 'any': fields = [1, 4, 5] \ elif kind in fieldnames: fields = [fieldnames[kind]]
04:22:14 <oerjan> `airport
04:22:15 <HackEgo> Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ P
04:22:26 <oerjan> `airport
04:22:26 <HackEgo> Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Goroka (GKA, AYGA) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Madang (MAG, AYMD) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Nadzab (LAE, AYNZ) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ Port Moresby Jacksons Intl (POM, AYPY) \ P
04:22:40 <shachaf> @tell zzo38 By "this" I meant System F. Hope that helps.
04:22:41 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
04:22:45 <oerjan> `metar
04:22:46 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar VANR
04:22:46 <lambdabot> No result.
04:23:04 <oerjan> oh it was just a random ?
04:23:28 <shachaf> `metar
04:23:29 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar YBPN
04:23:30 <lambdabot> YBPN 040300Z AUTO 12018KT 9999 // NCD 29/21 Q1013
04:23:38 <shachaf> `cat bin/metar
04:23:39 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | shuf -n 1)" \ echo lambdabot: @metar "${icao:-$1}"
04:23:59 <shachaf> oerjan: You should be able to provide partial airport names, e.g. just a country.
04:24:24 <oerjan> `airport norway
04:24:25 <HackEgo> Norway House Airport (YNE, CYNE)
04:25:01 <oerjan> it doesn't actually search the country field, though.
04:25:12 <oerjan> `airport EN
04:25:13 <HackEgo> Mount Hagen (HGU, AYMH) \ Estevan (YEN, CYEN) \ Estevan (YEN, CYEN) \ Geraldton Greenstone Regional (YGQ, CYGQ) \ Dryden Rgnl (YHD, CYHD) \ Gjoa Haven (YHK, CYHK) \ Stephenville (YJT, CYJT) \ Moose Jaw Air Vice Marshal C M Mcewen (YMJ, CYMJ) \ Port Menier (YPN, CYPN) \ Kenora (YQK, CYQK) \ Trenton (YTR, CYTR) \ City Centre (YTZ, CYTZ) \ Edmonton Ci
04:25:50 <shachaf> Oh, wait.
04:25:55 <shachaf> I didn't see the $* part.
04:26:25 <shachaf> `metar K
04:26:26 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar UNKY
04:26:26 <lambdabot> No result.
04:26:49 <shachaf> `edit bin/airport-lookup
04:26:50 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/bin/airport-lookup
04:27:09 <shachaf> I guess I could've just used `url
04:27:41 <shachaf> airport-lookup just does substring matching? It should do something more expressive.
04:28:15 <shachaf> please add regular expression matching twh
04:28:44 <oerjan> it's fizzie's work i think. or at least addition.
04:43:17 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, has anybody found Donny's PornHub or Xvideos account yet?
04:43:33 <shachaf> Maybe you should ask your Twitter followers.
05:38:49 <hppavilion[1]> Gragh, what's the name of that famous gay homophobe preacher again?
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08:10:42 <hppavilion[1]> [huh, looks like it's old news. 9 hours at least]
08:10:59 <hppavilion[1]> [Suspect from Kyrgystan]
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11:43:25 <boily> fungot: nostril.
11:43:25 <fungot> boily: is it possible to use swig and an ffi without knowing c++?)
11:43:41 <boily> fungot: no, especially when knowing C++.
11:43:41 <fungot> boily: now i got it right that is.)
11:43:58 <boily> @massages-loud
11:43:58 <lambdabot> shachaf said 11h 58m 27s ago: why not make modified mac and cheese? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6AKDODgLwU
11:50:29 <boily> helloochaf ^^
11:51:21 <boily> last night's mac'n'cheese was good. I should've taken a picture. maybe next week, if I don't get distracted by the smoked meat.
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11:55:30 <shachaf> was it modified?
12:02:16 <boily> quite saucy, gratiné, served with roasted cheddar chips.
12:07:34 <b_jonas_> Hmm, so the D&D rules say you can still score a critical hit with an improvised weapons. That means we only know that the legend of the horn of Lehel is apocriphial for a historical reason, not because the event itself is impossible.
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12:08:47 <b_jonas> "<int-e> We also need a new prime example of vaporware now that Duke Nukem Forever is released." yeah.
12:09:43 <b_jonas> what do you count as vaporware? does it matter if we expect that it will never be completed, versus if we expect that it will be completed but take like a decade or two more?
12:10:00 <Jafet> could it have been a sneak attack with an improvised weapon?
12:10:06 <b_jonas> ah yes, ASOIAF is a good example too
12:18:52 <b_jonas> "<hppavilion[1]> You can even justify Aliens Speaking Basque because you can say that's where we got the language. That's why it isn't related to any others." => sure, there's that old myth about Hungarians
12:19:28 <b_jonas> though of course it might be easier to justify if the aliens just learn the language from some human they first met
12:19:53 <b_jonas> and their saucer just randomly happened to land in a place where people speak that language
12:20:29 <b_jonas> "<\oren\> or cast ReRaise on it before it dies" => "ReRaise"?
12:22:23 <b_jonas> "<shachaf> \oren\: One time I had a job interview of some sort where the interviewer kept trying to get me to say "singleton"." => was this one of those interviews where they expect you to have learnt "design patterns"?
12:26:20 <b_jonas> Jafet: um, how do sneak attacks work in D&D? I think it's something strange where you can do them even without sneaking. or was that surprise attacks, which you can do without surprising?
12:27:46 <b_jonas> Jafet: I dunno really
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14:50:48 <izabera> "yellow bellied weasels" someone used this as an insult i think
14:50:59 <izabera> what does that mean?
14:52:07 <b_jonas> izabera: you can use anything as an insult really if it's clear from the context that it's an insult. that's useful if you're driving cars abroad and want to swear at other drivers with whom you don't share a languag.e
14:54:38 <fizzie> izabera: I believe yellow-bellied = cowardly.
14:54:48 <izabera> why?
14:55:21 <fizzie> There's conflicting etymologies in the internet, I don't know which one to trust.
14:55:46 <fizzie> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/yellow-belly.html is a bit of a summary of sorts.
14:56:03 <fizzie> And of course for the other half, 1. weasel -- (a person who is regarded as treacherous or sneaky).
14:57:53 <izabera> thanks
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17:23:19 <\oren\> b_jonas: ReRaise is a spell from Final Fantasy 6
17:23:53 <\oren\> it automatically casts Raise on a character when they die
17:24:43 <oerjan> . o O ( what about when they get a pay cut )
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17:25:39 <\oren\> . o O (Someone make an anime called "Our Tank is a part timer")
17:26:46 <oerjan> Parutimuro the Tanku
17:27:26 <oerjan> wait, no ti
17:28:04 <oerjan> Paruchimuro?
17:28:05 <b_jonas> oerjan: "the"?
17:28:27 <b_jonas> \oren\: I see
17:28:28 <oerjan> b_jonas: only in the translated version, obviously.
17:28:58 <oerjan> (Paruchimuro is the tank's name)
17:29:34 <oerjan> or maybe the translaters are just misinterpreting it that way
17:29:36 <oerjan> *o
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17:31:07 <b_jonas> oerhan: nothing on topic? they found a new pyramid in Egypt! http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/262156/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Remains-of-th-Dynasty-pyramid-discovered-in-Dahshu.aspx
17:31:34 <oerjan> i guess that's esoteric enough
17:31:44 <b_jonas> a pyramid hiding so well that people haven't noticed so far? that's obviously proof of alien cloaking technology
17:31:53 -!- oerjan has set topic: News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah.
17:32:17 * oerjan was really just trying to get rid of the bomb news
17:34:18 <\oren\> bomberman used to be a game, not something you do to survive your commutr
17:35:05 <b_jonas> seriously, a new pyramid?
17:35:06 <oerjan> b_jonas: actually the pyramid seems to be just parts left, so it's easier to hide. however, a pyramid being destroyed like that is obvious proof of ancient nuclear weapons!
17:36:20 <oerjan> clearly some aliens used a brahmastra there
17:37:33 <oerjan> which also explains why there's so much desert.
17:39:45 <shachaf> b_jonas: I don't know.
17:40:30 <b_jonas> oerjan: hehe
17:42:46 <b_jonas> oerjan: note that it's one of the pyramids built the latest, during the 13th dynasty. I think that means those ancient aliens are still building pyramids in the past as we speak, and when they build it in the past, we discover them meanwhile in the present.
17:43:01 <b_jonas> It's just not a very common event, because they only build one every few decades.
17:45:10 <oerjan> figures
17:45:49 <oerjan> (would these aliens happen to be three in number, and pretty stupid?)
17:52:46 <b_jonas> Instead of basing our metric system on hard to measure nuclear stuff, we should just define the centimeter as the thickness of typical wooden boards used in furniture.
17:57:21 * oerjan tries in vain to backronym IKEA for the purpose
17:57:36 <oerjan> International is easy.
17:58:06 <oerjan> oh wait, maybe it's in swedish
17:58:24 <oerjan> um still no help.
18:00:04 <rdococ> aperture
18:00:17 <oerjan> imagine a world in which IKEA were the first to introduce standard measures.
18:00:29 <oerjan> @wn aperture
18:00:30 <lambdabot> *** "aperture" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
18:00:30 <lambdabot> aperture
18:00:30 <lambdabot> n 1: a device that controls amount of light admitted
18:00:30 <lambdabot> 2: a natural opening in something
18:00:30 <lambdabot> 3: an man-made opening; usually small
18:00:41 <oerjan> hm i don't think that fits.
18:00:58 <rdococ> 4: a fictional esoteric laboratory
18:01:15 <oerjan> i know. i don't think that's good for this purpose.
18:02:36 <rdococ> wait, what purpose?
18:02:57 <oerjan> to backronym IKEA into a wood-based international system of measure hth
18:03:20 <int-e> @metar lowi
18:03:20 <lambdabot> LOWI 041650Z 08007KT 050V110 9999 FEW025 SCT070 BKN110 10/06 Q1021 NOSIG
18:03:27 <oerjan> i was assuming you were trying to help with the A
18:03:27 <int-e> good, good.
18:03:29 <int-e> @botsnack
18:03:29 <lambdabot> :)
18:03:37 <oerjan> `metar
18:03:39 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @metar LICD
18:03:40 <lambdabot> LICD 041550Z 32012KT 9999 FEW025 16/12 Q1016
18:03:43 <int-e> @giggle lambdabot
18:03:45 <lambdabot> https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot
18:04:09 <oerjan> @boggle ikea
18:04:09 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: hoogle google
18:04:11 <int-e> workaround for that is still holding too
18:04:12 <b_jonas> fungot, how would you define a centimeter?
18:04:12 <fungot> b_jonas: have you seen orion? :( but fis promised i cry now? mooz's going to kill someone? yes.
18:04:13 <oerjan> oops
18:04:26 <b_jonas> what
18:04:44 <oerjan> int-e: is lambdabot starting to get held together by duct tape?
18:05:32 <int-e> oerjan: "the problem" is flaky IPv6 neighbour discovery, and it's really not lambdabot's fault, I can repreduce it with a C program.
18:06:06 <oerjan> OKAY
18:09:00 <rdococ> International Ksomething Esomething Authority
18:09:40 <int-e> Knob Embellishment
18:09:54 <rdococ> YAKO
18:10:56 <rdococ> How about an esoteric-class type?
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18:28:54 <\oren\> oerjan: the katakanization of "part timer" would be paatotaimaa btw
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18:35:01 <rdococ> /pɑ:t taımə/ if you have a non-rhotic dialect
18:36:34 <\oren\> japanese katakanization of words is, in general, non-rhotic
18:37:28 <oerjan> mhm
18:37:31 <\oren\> apartment -> apaato, whiteboard -> howaitoboodo, etc
18:38:36 <rdococ> I doubt anyone pronounces the "wh" in wh words any more.
18:38:58 <\oren\> my dad does but he's really really old
18:39:17 <rdococ> I was working on a conlang with /c/ but meh.
18:39:23 <rdococ> I need motivation to continue it.
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18:42:56 <rdococ> No motivation? :c
18:43:09 <\oren\> it also for some reason always assimilates t and y into ch
18:43:23 <\oren\> naisutumiichuu
18:43:48 <rdococ> Does Japanese itself have /t/ and /j/?
18:43:56 <\oren\> yes
18:44:01 <rdococ> Strange.
18:44:15 <b_jonas> \oren\: what does naisutumiichu mean?
18:44:24 <\oren\> nice to meet you
18:44:27 <b_jonas> ah
18:44:40 <b_jonas> strange
18:44:41 <rdococ> naisu tu miichuu
18:44:44 <b_jonas> `starwars
18:44:45 <HackEgo> the Rancor
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18:44:58 <rdococ> Oh.
18:45:05 <rdococ> You mean /tj/ becomes /tS/?
18:45:13 <\oren\> yes
18:45:13 <rdococ> That's not all that strange, to be honest.
18:45:35 <rdococ> It's pronounced with a /tS/ in my dialect too.
18:45:53 <\oren\> well yes some dialects of english have a lot of these features
18:46:00 <rdococ> /nais tu mitSu/
18:48:43 <\oren\> service -> サービス
18:48:54 <\oren\> saabisu
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18:49:56 <rdococ> I also tend to add /ɹ/ between some words.
18:53:01 <\oren\> what like "so the idea r is"
18:53:21 <rdococ> "so the idearis"
18:53:30 <\oren\> some people in my family do that
18:53:47 <rdococ> /aıdiæɹıs/
19:03:37 <rdococ> . o O ( I like using thought bubbles and porthellos outside of #esoteric )
19:07:45 <oerjan> <rdococ> I was working on a conlang with /c/ but meh. <- /c/ is all greek to me
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19:09:46 <rdococ> it's IPA.
19:09:55 <oerjan> *whoosh*
19:10:02 <rdococ> Also, it's Latin, not Greek.
19:10:42 <oerjan> i repeat, *whoosh*
19:12:29 <rdococ> *swipe*
19:12:37 <oerjan> eep
19:12:40 <oerjan> (wat)
19:13:13 <rdococ> (/wat/)
19:13:57 <oerjan> anyway, the word for "and" in modern greek starts with it, and seems _very_ common.
19:15:05 <oerjan> [ˈmicis θeoðoˈɾacis]
19:16:41 <rdococ> Sounds nice.
19:16:59 * oerjan should get back to learn more songs, but seems to get too preoccupied with code golfing...
19:17:49 * oerjan thinks his grammar is slipping, needs more -ing
19:18:16 <rdococ> Iing agreeing.
19:18:33 <rdococ> Iting woulding being bettering ifing youing useding moreing inging.ing
19:18:42 <oerjan> norwegian doesn't have progressive aspect like english
19:19:01 <rdococ> Sounds progressive.
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20:13:40 <\oren\> there's a political party in Ontario called the progressive conservatives
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20:53:33 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I wonder if there are noneuclidean vectors
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21:08:13 <hppavilion[1]> I just thought of *one* time that singleton classes are reasonable (while programming; I need one) though I'd rather if I could just create it as a literal object
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21:08:55 <hppavilion[1]> Iff your language supports operator overloading, using a singleton to have an "undefined" type (for which any operation involving it is undefined) is allowed.
21:09:37 <wob_jonas> There should be a protocol that's half-compatible with IRC, with weaker guarantees, in which the servers need not be connected in a forest topology, so there can be cycles. That will help if we ever have servers on three non-collinear planets or moons or space stations, because restricting the connections to a forest can cause transmission delays.
21:09:47 <hppavilion[1]> (same goes for infinity and -infinity, I guess)
21:10:04 <shachaf> `5 w
21:10:09 <HackEgo> 1/2:^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. \ istr//istr istr is vaguely similar to iirc. \ all//All that glitters is not gold. \ infinitive//Infinitives are atomic verbs. They were first spl
21:10:35 <shachaf> `n
21:10:36 <HackEgo> 2/2:it in the 1940s, and the world hasn't looked back since. \ xor//Xor is just addition of nimbers.
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21:21:21 <shachaf> `dowg istr
21:21:28 <HackEgo> 10567:2017-04-02 <oerjän> learn istr istr is vaguely similar to iirc.
21:21:54 <shachaf> istr = int-e seems to recall?
21:22:11 <hppavilion[1]> wob_jonas: I'm not actually sure what connected servers mean?
21:22:23 <shachaf> oerjan: istr "istr" is vaguely similar to "iirc" iirc
21:22:46 <hppavilion[1]> coquine "coquine" is a coquine.
21:23:10 <shachaf> Classes are scow.
21:23:27 <shachaf> object-oriented programming < return-oriented programming
21:23:29 <wob_jonas> hpp: and IRC network (which is this stuff we're talking on now, you know) is made of servers and clients. each client is connected to one server, and the servers are connected to each other, but not pairwise, but only in a tree shape. the servers manage to transmit the messages on channels and private messages and all other stuff to the right clien
21:23:29 <wob_jonas> ts.
21:23:31 <hppavilion[1]> (a coquine is a program which never outputs its own source code; to coquine a string s is to output anything but «<s> "<s>"»
21:24:14 <shachaf> Do you mean anything by the word "co"?
21:24:19 <shachaf> I mean prefix.
21:24:22 <shachaf> Just "not"?
21:24:33 <wob_jonas> hpp: the servers within an IRC network are connected so eg. if a client says something on a #-channel on one server, then every client who's joined that channel on any server will get that message.
21:25:18 <wob_jonas> hpp: does that make any sense?
21:30:00 <wob_jonas> An alternate theory (to martians) is that the new pyramid was made for publicity by WotC for the upcoming Amonkhet set, which has an ancient Egypt theme.
21:30:53 <wob_jonas> So in that case, Mark Rosewater went back in time more than three thousand years, carried the giant stones on his own back, and built the pyramid.
21:31:14 <wob_jonas> I don't know whether that's more believable than the martian spaceship hangars.
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21:49:33 <int-e> . o O ( return oriented programming is one of those things that makes your computer not just useful to you, but to a greater part of society... )
21:50:11 <shachaf> hint-e
21:50:17 <shachaf> Did you read _Max Und Moritz_?
21:50:25 <int-e> been ages
21:50:38 <wob_jonas> `? altruism
21:50:38 <HackEgo> altruism? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:50:43 <wob_jonas> `quote altruism
21:50:45 <HackEgo> No output.
21:50:51 <shachaf> Do you remember the teacher? They made fun of him for being a goat, I think.
21:50:56 <shachaf> Or for being goat-like.
21:50:58 <shachaf> Having a beard?
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21:53:28 <int-e> easy to find out... http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17161/17161-h/17161-h.htm#Vierter_Streich
21:53:54 * hppavilion[1] applies the Fast Furrier Transform to a vector containing all of the world's Sphynx cats
21:56:36 <int-e> shachaf: So... the goat-like person was the tailor.
21:56:47 <shachaf> Ah, makes sense.
21:57:24 <hppavilion[1]> ...
21:57:41 <hppavilion[1]> `addquote <int-e> So... the goat-like person was the tailor. <shachaf> Ah, makes sense.
21:57:43 <HackEgo> 1311) <int-e> So... the goat-like person was the tailor. <shachaf> Ah, makes sense.
21:57:59 <shachaf> scow quote imo
21:58:54 <int-e> (and basically it was just because of the name)
21:59:06 <shachaf> Ah, right.
21:59:10 <int-e> `` revert #veto
21:59:11 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /hackenv/bin/revert: Permission denied
21:59:11 <shachaf> Anyway, did you read Jim Knopf?
21:59:16 <int-e> `revert
21:59:17 <HackEgo> Done.
21:59:24 <int-e> I forgot that this is built in :P
21:59:37 <wob_jonas> yes, once, but don't remember much of it
21:59:38 <int-e> No, I didn't read Jim Knopf.
21:59:54 <shachaf> Oh.
21:59:57 <shachaf> How about Momo?
22:00:04 <int-e> Yes.
22:00:09 <wob_jonas> except for the giant that appears bigger if you look at them from farther, which is the opposite from normal people, who seem tinier if seen from farther
22:00:19 <wob_jonas> sure, Momo is great!
22:00:20 <shachaf> Mr. Tur-Tur
22:00:22 <wob_jonas> I love Momo
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22:00:51 <int-e> Tough names though, what's the tortoise called... was it Kassiopeia?
22:01:03 <shachaf> Yes, Cassiopeia or something like that.
22:01:07 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_turtles hth
22:01:15 <wob_jonas> int-e: yes. from the constellation.
22:01:22 <shachaf> I read it in Hebrew.
22:01:27 <shachaf> But I later reread it English.
22:01:44 <int-e> I read it in German, naturally.
22:01:52 <wob_jonas> what? why'd you do that? is the Hebrew translation that bad?
22:01:53 <int-e> (semi-pun :P)
22:02:02 <wob_jonas> or was it no longer available to you?
22:02:18 <shachaf> I think it's not easy to get in the US.
22:02:27 <shachaf> There were probably at least 15 years between the readings.
22:02:37 <wob_jonas> :-(
22:02:43 <shachaf> What?
22:03:11 <shachaf> Oh man, those scow gray gentlemen.
22:03:15 <shachaf> They even got Beppo?
22:03:18 <shachaf> What a scow.
22:03:31 <shachaf> I'm reading the plot summary now.
22:03:32 <wob_jonas> it's just sad in general that we still live in a world where I have to go to libraries, and often can't get books, especially ones published abroad, from them
22:03:44 <shachaf> Wait, did I actually reread it in English?
22:03:46 <wob_jonas> why can't I just get any book digitally through the internet, no matter where it was published?
22:03:52 <shachaf> Maybe I only bought a copy and didn't read it?
22:03:58 <shachaf> Oh, digital books are scow.
22:04:00 <wob_jonas> shachaf: hehehe
22:04:12 <wob_jonas> shachaf: sure, I like dead-tree books too
22:04:24 <shachaf> Master Secundus Minutus Hora
22:04:26 <wob_jonas> but still, I'd prefer digital books over no books
22:04:40 <wob_jonas> yep, those are some of the characters
22:05:12 <shachaf> cigars are scow
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22:50:24 <hppavilion[1]> Hm. Problem with referring to Native Americans as "Indians" (or "American Indians"): If the people in the Antilles (where Columbus landed) were Indians, that would make Natives living in now-Colorado Turkmen
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23:40:50 <boily> `wisdom
23:40:52 <HackEgo> cosplay//Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people.
23:41:51 <boily> I should cosplay into something bright pink. that way, if I ever get lost during the next convention, I'll know where to find me.
23:42:32 <DHeadshot> Mr Blobby?
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23:44:11 <DHeadshot> ?
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23:44:37 <\oren\> boily: you should cosplay as Madoka
23:44:52 <boily> he\\oren\! good idea!
23:47:53 <\oren\> Apparently Emma Watson is a furry
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23:48:42 <boily> eh?
23:49:03 <\oren\> http://dlisted.com/2017/03/13/emma-watson-is-totally-a-furry/
23:49:26 <\oren\> “Aslan in Narnia. I found the lion quite hot. Is that wrong? Is that okay? Probably not. No, it’s not okay. It’s not okay. I’m getting shaking heads. It happens. Sometimes animals in films are hot. I don’t know what to say.” -- Emma Watson
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23:51:30 * boily acquires a large sodium chloride crystal and waves it around his desktop
23:53:09 <\oren\> I agree,http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2055/1187025029_Suffer_Not_the_Furry_to_Live_Desu.jpg
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23:57:16 <hppavilion[1]> Well, it's abuse of mathematics time. i̊ = (π/180)√-1.
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