< 1491523984 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491524765 0 :tsw_ett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1491524919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491525298 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1491526618 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491528343 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Crorem 5* 10New user account < 1491528630 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51643&oldid=51620 5* 03Crorem 5* (+123) 10 < 1491528642 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SMA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51644 5* 03Crorem 5* (+211) 10Created page with "Hi, I noticed that the link to the interpreter for [[BiTrax]] is dead. Is there any possibility that you could re-host it? Thanks! --~~~~" < 1491528801 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a little optimistic. < 1491528950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not _much_ more than a year since User:SMA edited last. < 1491528961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it's less. < 1491528970 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read May as March somehow. < 1491529120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an annoying hosting site. and robots.txt violated, so no chance of wayback. < 1491529168 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This file is no longer available because of a claim by system." < 1491529245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1491529324 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a rather odd search hit where the title of the page was "A source code is a bitmap, where each pixel defines a statement:" but then the contents included "Bitrix24 in the App Store" and a Britax baby stroller. < 1491529335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a website generated from an odd mishmash of things. < 1491529370 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things of somewhat similar lexicographic appearance. < 1491529520 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i can construct a square in 12 steps, the three first being marking two arbitrary points and the line between them; are you doing it more complicated than that? < 1491529551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I... don't remember. I've deleted the construction because I didn't need it < 1491529567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1491529570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved finding a bunch of tangent lines on a circle < 1491529587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't need that to construct a square. < 1491529608 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but that was the only way I could think of < 1491529624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, like < 1491529707 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:point, B:point, l:line A B, f:circle A B, g:circle B A, C:intersect l g, and so on or something < 1491529712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a LOT of circles < 1491529815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 5 steps are the same as mine. < 1491529840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 (points) + 1 (line) + 4 (for a perpendicular from first point) + 4 (for a perpendicular from the other point) + 1 (the one missing line) = 12 is what I got. < 1491529842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess you count finding intersections, i didn't do that. < 1491529865 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this about that one game or just in general? < 1491529898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what hppavilion[1] is doing. < 1491529941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What game‽‽ < 1491529953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that game about constructing things. < 1491529971 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.euclidea.xyz/ < 1491529978 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was probably that. < 1491530010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not euclidthegame.com? < 1491530041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in retrospect that looks more familiar. < 1491530041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i just found again while trying to seach for an online geometry visualizer (and failing) < 1491530074 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess euclidea.xyz could be someone's "let's cash in on the fad" thing. < 1491530086 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks a little more polished maybe. < 1491530180 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you get pithy quotes at the end of a task and so on. < 1491530219 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok after what you said, D:intersect l f, h:circle C B, i:circle B C, E,F:intersect h i, m:line E F and that's your first perpendicular. < 1491530303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sounds about right, but I've yet to formally prove the correctness of the ad-hoc language :P < 1491530313 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(skimming it suggests you're doing the same thing I did) < 1491530318 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn squares are convoluted < 1491530399 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1491531067 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491531232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: your translation talk in the logs made me suddenly realize that the translation of Einstein into a classical greek borrowing is Monolith < 1491531259 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...my god. < 1491531268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, uh, Mein Gott. < 1491531306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or Mein Gotten? Or maybe Mein Götter since polytheism?) < 1491531330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think -en is a suffix used there < 1491531486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary lists no such word form, even for the archaic 16th-18th century forms. < 1491531530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be Meine Götter in the plural. < 1491531912 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misbe-gotten. < 1491532022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( newton <- new-town -> nea-polis -> naples ) < 1491532150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin seems to have disputed etymology < 1491532285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one of them could give Philophilos < 1491532302 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(philos meaning both dear and friend in greek) < 1491532455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other meaning could give Drys < 1491532517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe Dryinos < 1491532540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which if so looks like it might be cognate < 1491532597 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491532614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome crorem < 1491532621 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1491532631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04crorem: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.) < 1491532655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crorem: i'm afraid User:SMA hasn't been seen in nearly a year < 1491532748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if they ever came here on irc < 1491532816 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shame < 1491532851 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you know anywhere where the BiTrax interpreter might be archived? < 1491532874 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked wayback, but of course the site has a robots.txt :( < 1491532897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fizzie googled some, i think < 1491532943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't seem to find anything relevant < 1491533024 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat < 1491533028 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thanks for trying < 1491533572 0 :Crorem!827efff2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.126.255.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491533640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, whoops, I meant to just say say "Mein Götter", but my syntax messed up when I changed plans < 1491533684 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But what about the unfortunate town of Dildo? < 1491533708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUNNO < 1491533708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your mind out of the götter < 1491534118 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are mnemonics for remembering the planets- "My Very Excellent Mother Just Gave Us Nachos" (archaic: "My Very Excellent Mother Just Gave Us Nasty Pizza") or "Mary's Virgin Explanation Made Joseph Suspect Upstairs Neighbor) (xkcd) <-- i think you mean "Served" or something hth < 1491534120 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491534160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE ESCAPED < 1491534826 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the USA has hit a Syrian Air base in homs with 50 cruise missiles < 1491534830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esitmated to destroy at least a quarter of the Syrian Air Force < 1491535070 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491536757 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xczdmoiwceurvsly JOIN :#esoteric < 1491537121 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} < 1491537221 0 :{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1491537505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491538679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491538748 0 :tsw_ett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491539035 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i,i < 1491539036 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i is short for "I have wasps in my underwear, and I want to distract myself by saying". < 1491540605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491541926 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA Idiots on CNN keep saying it's an "air strike" < 1491541928 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't the same unless you're Japanese < 1491541933 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not it's a CRUISE MISSILE strike < 1491544079 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491544292 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're clearly ground strikes, anyway < 1491546475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1491547776 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1491548038 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xczdmoiwceurvsly QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1491548270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: There's such a thing as a stovetop pizza oven?! < 1491548273 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it any good? < 1491548537 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're asking me? < 1491548544 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent heard of a stovetop pizza oven < 1491548664 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're a pizza expert. < 1491548780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491550497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491550520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :voxelperfect.net appears to have been taken over by domain parkers < 1491550528 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have a backup of the Esoteric Files Archive? < 1491550590 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an equivalent of the Vesica Piscis for ellipses? < 1491550713 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this may be worth putting in the topic, a lot of esolang content is hosted there < 1491550737 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :voxelperfect.net is parked; anyone have a backup of the Esoteric Files Archive? | News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491551368 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crosses my mind that graue may still be contactable and probably still has a copy, but it may be best to see if an actual regular has a copy, first < 1491551429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://github.com/graue/esofiles hth < 1491551429 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the (linode) server that went with it seems to be gone as well. < 1491551446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1491551452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably update links, in that case < 1491551467 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, get a few clones of the repo going just in case Github gets parked too ;-) < 1491551493 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491551874 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1491551952 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :voxelperfect.net is parked; use github.com/graue/esofiles as a mirror | News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491551966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :voxelperfect.net is parked; use github.com/graue/esofiles | News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491552499 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic is mostly write-only < 1491552516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BackFlip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51645&oldid=49072 5* 03Ais523 5* (+472) 10/* How to make infinite memory */ another, belated, idea < 1491552529 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write-mostly, or is it mostly right? < 1491552544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be left-mostly. < 1491552555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rarely right. < 1491552639 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, only the rightmost parts are mostly left < 1491552697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right part alone is mostly left alone. < 1491553307 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands shachaf an MD < 1491553331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should try randomly reordering it and seeing if that changes the sort of edits we normally get? < 1491553354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the logs and esolangs.org links are important. < 1491553367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the rest is usually superfluous. < 1491553560 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491553963 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wisdom.pdf meant to be a permanent feature? or not? < 1491553980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1491553993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it. I don't think my wisdom should be recorded for eternity. < 1491554000 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But others like i so who knows. < 1491554284 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1491554650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care for it being there permanently, although advertising it when it was made made sense < 1491554787 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn esoteric files archive/The Esoteric Files Archive is now available at https://github.com/graue/esofiles < 1491554791 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'esoteric files archive/the esoteric files archive is now available at https:': github.com/graue/esofiles < 1491554834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | For bots, use #esoteric-blah < 1491555228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1491560413 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu TOPIC #esoteric :News: New pyramid found in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491561925 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491564732 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491564890 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491565165 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1491565166 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​?//? is wisdom < 1491565183 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but what is wisdom? < 1491565218 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491565373 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1491565374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1491565388 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: always factually accurate (exceptions may apply) < 1491565408 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly. I trust the Wisdom. < 1491565453 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1491565519 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491565801 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491566050 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1491566345 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491566618 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491566894 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491567148 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491567439 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491567705 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491567967 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491568148 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: STEALTH CHICKEN < 1491568256 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1491568530 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491568820 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1491569064 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491569355 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491569622 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491569878 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491570423 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491570796 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh. heard on ##workingset: "make is not a programming language in the sense that people write applications or OSes in it." Sounds like make is an esolang then. < 1491570805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the sense that openttd signals are.) < 1491572392 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sounds like a challenge. < 1491574086 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491575454 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1491576143 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491576416 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1491576419 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491577978 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491580201 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cwcdeghuwpwnsjtb JOIN :#esoteric < 1491580458 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-193.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1491580534 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-193.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1491580576 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-193.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1491582167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491582179 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491582339 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491582522 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491582884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they make Fat Link Shorteners? < 1491583020 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat Link Thinners* < 1491583060 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's called a font size menu < 1491583060 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491583073 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for both fat and long links < 1491583221 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :not broad ones tho :/ < 1491583339 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491583371 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491583607 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491584406 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491584780 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491584835 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-tbpfwggirxdgrukp QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1491584895 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491585495 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491585757 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1491585761 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491586176 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe4a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1491586488 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1491586533 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cwcdeghuwpwnsjtb QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491586676 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1491586741 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fjgkhpobdldwlddu JOIN :#esoteric < 1491587077 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491587533 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1491587591 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491587662 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491587947 0 :augur!~augur@c187-247.i02-7.onvol.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491588700 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone has the phone number 5138008 < 1491588776 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1491588796 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 5318008 on a calculator and you turn it upside down < 1491588806 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, ok < 1491589400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, make is turing complete when you inlcude its ability to run other programs, but what if make is executed in an environment with an innefectual version of sh? < 1491589492 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: gnu make or some other version of make? < 1491589517 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu make would probably be the most likely to be turing complete... < 1491589597 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gnu make is probably turing complete. It has all sorts of crazy built-in functions, including text-manip stuff and an eval function. You can define variables. < 1491589611 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has conditionals too. < 1491589653 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-make-2466.html < 1491589714 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access variables indirectly by name too. < 1491590261 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, pls. y u do joke like dat < 1491590318 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1491590979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491591308 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1491591604 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1491591604 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1491591679 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1491591912 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491592083 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1491592110 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a program that searches for all possible combinations of numbers that yields letters, and returns the ones that are in dictionaries? < 1491592267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wrote such a program to look for a Google Voice number. < 1491592355 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: wouldn't that just be grep(1)? < 1491592476 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :probablistic < 1491594591 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491596220 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491596278 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491596647 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491597285 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9hqvync5Y < 1491597556 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1491597712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're talking about Emmental in class. < 1491597880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking for searching a dictionary. < 1491597882 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -E '^a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?$' share/dict-words | perl -pe 'print length($_), " ";' | sort -nr | head -n 20 | cut -d ' ' -f 2 < 1491597883 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loquacity \ imprudent \ certainty \ mortuary \ invaders \ impudent \ hostelry \ horsefly \ hindmost \ foremost \ envelops \ eloquent \ develops \ degrades \ deforest \ definers \ corsairs \ citadels \ chowders \ chivalry < 1491597910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the regex for nethack inventory letter words. < 1491598011 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491598021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about uppercase? < 1491598079 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean uppercase in input, in my 'words' those are boringly names. If you mean uppercasing the first half in the output, that's left as an exercise. < 1491598100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you did include the alphabet twice. < 1491598109 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it the second half. I forget. Anyway. < 1491598113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then. < 1491598162 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg bin/sort-by-lengths < 1491598176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1491598194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg bin/sort-by-lengths < 1491598200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sort-by-lengths < 1491598201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk '{print length"\t"$0}' | sort -n | cut -f2- < 1491598202 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1491598205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :'w'? < 1491598207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, doag < 1491598211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/sort-by-lengths < 1491598218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9746:2016-11-20 mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk \'{print length"\\t"$0}\' | sort -n | cut -f2- < 1491598221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought it was a pretty wise move to put it there. < 1491598315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` abc='a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?'; grep -E "^$abc$abc$" share/dict-words | sort-by-length | tac | head -n20 < 1491598316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: sort-by-length: command not found < 1491598319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` abc='a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?'; grep -E "^$abc$abc$" share/dict-words | sort-by-lengths | tac | head -n20 < 1491598320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loquacity \ imprudent \ certainty \ mortuary \ invaders \ impudent \ hostelry \ horsefly \ hindmost \ foremost \ envelops \ eloquent \ develops \ degrades \ deforest \ definers \ corsairs \ citadels \ chowders \ chivalry < 1491598393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` abc=$(echo abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz | sed 's/./&?/g'); grep -E "^$abc$abc$" share/dict-words | sort-by-lengths | tac | head -n20 < 1491598394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loquacity \ imprudent \ certainty \ mortuary \ invaders \ impudent \ hostelry \ horsefly \ hindmost \ foremost \ envelops \ eloquent \ develops \ degrades \ deforest \ definers \ corsairs \ citadels \ chowders \ chivalry < 1491598411 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` abc=$(echo abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz | sed 's/./&?/g'); grep -E "^$abc$abc$" share/dict-words | sort-by-lengths | tac | head -n30 | xargs < 1491598412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loquacity imprudent certainty mortuary invaders impudent hostelry horsefly hindmost foremost envelops eloquent develops degrades deforest definers corsairs citadels chowders chivalry belabors airships adorably adjacent adequacy acquaint acerbity abstains thirsty tailors < 1491598422 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thirsty tailors. < 1491598430 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungry sailors. < 1491598487 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe4a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1491598532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing that sort by length isn't a thing you can easily do, isn't it? < 1491598553 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mess. < 1491598817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491599771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491600097 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491600230 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea "HTTP Directory Listing", which has the format of a list of key:value pairs with blank lines between records, and with the MIME type "application/directory-listing" perhaps. That is the main problem with HTTP, so the implementation of this idea would fix that problem. < 1491600238 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1491600238 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 3d 20h 56m 51s ago: Do you like this? < 1491600238 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 3d 17h 1m 16s ago: By "this" I meant System F. Hope that helps. < 1491600377 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < /usr/share/dict/words awk '{print length($1)"\t"$1}' | sort -rn | cut -f2- | head -n10 | xargs < 1491600378 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory < 1491600388 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < share/dict-words awk '{print length($1)"\t"$1}' | sort -rn | cut -f2- | head -n10 | xargs < 1491600389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option < 1491600394 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1491600547 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < share/dict-words awk '{print length($1)"\t"$1}' | sort -rn | cut -f2- | head -n10 | tr \\n \ < 1491600548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electroencephalograph's electroencephalographs electroencephalogram's counterrevolutionary's counterrevolutionaries Andrianampoinimerina's electroencephalograph electroencephalograms counterintelligence's uncharacteristically < 1491600597 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491600635 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. I didn't look at the code above... funny it should be the same... minus one unintended bug. < 1491600699 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, using $1 instead of $0) < 1491600715 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491601040 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particle Physics is all about seeing small numbers as huge; math is all about seeing infinitely large numbers as quaint. < 1491601216 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1491601320 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuickBASIC does not allow a RETURN command inside of a SUB/FUNCTION to specify the label to return to. < 1491601342 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it ought to be allowed (only if returning to another label in the same subroutine though) < 1491601937 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea of implementing GOTOs by allowing the instruction pointer to be read and written like a variable < 1491602994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that doesn't tend to work well unless you have labels as constant variables < 1491603111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491603941 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the approach I was taking < 1491604033 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | sort-by-length < 1491604033 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: sort-by-length: command not found < 1491604039 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | sort-by-lengths < 1491604039 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :long \ 缩短 < 1491604060 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale < 1491604061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ < 1491604165 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1491604173 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1491604175 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | awk 'print length;' < 1491604176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk: line 1: syntax error at or near print < 1491604181 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | awk '{print length;}' < 1491604182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 \ 4 < 1491604197 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing that sort by length isn't a thing you can easily do < 1491604447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | perl -ne 'print length $_;' < 1491604448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 < 1491604455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1491604464 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, newlines < 1491604465 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1491604473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | perl -ne 'chomp;print length $_;' < 1491604474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1491604517 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | perl -ne 'use utf8;chomp;print length $_;' < 1491604518 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1491604564 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | perl -Cne 'chomp;print length $_;' < 1491604565 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown Unicode option letter 'n'. < 1491604572 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo 缩短; echo long) | perl -C -ne 'chomp;print length $_;' < 1491604572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 < 1491604576 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1491604707 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1491604740 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does awk have a unicode option < 1491604744 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ARM32 allows accessing the IP as r15; writing to it results in jumps < 1491604899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you increment it? < 1491604928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: To sort by length accurately you need to know what font you're using. < 1491604963 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or demand the user use a CJKwidth-correct font < 1491604982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway sort-by-length operates on bytes, not characters. < 1491605030 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, people probably use different fonts < 1491605036 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and different terminals) < 1491605059 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminals are unique up to isomorphism. < 1491605104 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are initials, apparently < 1491605129 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's why there is only one xinit and one xterm < 1491605156 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cjkwidth-correct fonts at least guarantee that a cjk character is twice the width of a latin character. the standards are iffy on emoji, brahmic and arabic thoough < 1491605161 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at my screen there are many xterms < 1491605173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're all xisomorphic. < 1491605208 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :adsf < 1491605225 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gjhk < 1491605238 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1491605240 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need inspiration < 1491605251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should take inspiration from int-e. < 1491605259 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, inspiration please < 1491605265 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaaaaaah, I needed that. < 1491605291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the thing where int-e talked about the kinds of things you say in this channel. < 1491605458 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491605712 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1491605839 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever written a book on how to be uncreative, I wonder. < 1491605857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin: yontrapumpkin < 1491605956 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sad < 1491605998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: perhaps "Design Patterns"? < 1491606038 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh that's better than the direction I was heading (something about accounting) < 1491606156 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the gang of forced analogies < 1491606191 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491606199 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for being uncreative. it's just that my creativity is sapped every day by something called school. < 1491606214 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try my best to fight it, but I guess I'm just meant to be an Average Joe. < 1491606250 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: what kind of school? < 1491606290 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :A school purported to be for "special" kids, despite the fact that they're no different. < 1491606647 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it sapping your creativity? < 1491606682 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is genuinly curious to know what can be done better with education. < 1491606782 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the "gifted" program until I realized they were just giving us twice as much work and quit it < 1491606815 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian, a lot. < 1491606833 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian, I can tell you, what we have right now that passes for "education" in today's world, is horse manure. < 1491606860 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: mostly busywork, yes? < 1491606862 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be curing cancer with doodles, and the teacher would probably still tell me to do my work. < 1491606883 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you mean 'show your work' kind of work? < 1491606896 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whadya mean? < 1491606919 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in maths. You show every step of the way. < 1491606941 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike worksheets that tell me to "show my workings out" even more than I do regular worksheets. What if my mind performs it for me automatically in an efficient manner? Should I draw a picture of a brain? < 1491606975 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you talking about 'this homework which is impossibly boring and uses stuff that I havent covered yet is due tomorrow', kind of stuff? < 1491607008 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. I just plainly refuse and forget about any homework I receive, but I am worried for other students in other schools too. < 1491607074 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should increase career oriented focus in high school < 1491607092 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once got a math teacher two insisted on 'show my workings out', he quit it when he got back a worksheet from me that showed each microstep in excrusiating detail. < 1491607105 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol :P < 1491607144 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: perhaps this is a cultural misunderstanding, high school being ages 12-16 years? < 1491607199 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, children are humans - just like adults, and they should be given choices. Many counters I've heard from staff are "What if you get a job and you're told to do something you don't want to do?" My response is always "You get paid for a job, and you signed up for it." Of course, they never respond to that, because they know I'm right. < 1491607202 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary school here goes from 5 or 6 to 16 years. There is no high school here. < 1491607212 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada: grade 1-6 -> pirmary school, 7+8 : middle school. 9-12 :high school < 1491607216 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I dislike worksheets that tell me to "show my workings out" even more than I do regular worksheets. What if my mind performs it for me automatically in an efficient manner? Should I draw a picture of a brain? < 1491607242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining your answers is at least as if not more important than producing correct answers < 1491607264 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is that? < 1491607285 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it has nothing to do with the ratio of good education to horse manure in current "education". < 1491607292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, in general, why would anyone believe the automatic processes of your brain < 1491607299 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: my response to these kind of 'reasoning' by teachers is: sure I will do it but it better have utility, something that your busywork does not. < 1491607304 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491607341 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I have previously mentioned a variant of that. < 1491607345 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mentioned/used < 1491607348 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think they need to start having streams toward different career categories starting at age 14 at the latest < 1491607379 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrap that, school is a prison and it needs to be abolished if we want our species to have a future. < 1491607386 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc, he\\oren\, Zarutellon. < 1491607407 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I knew quite a lot of people that did not leave the school building until the 'homework' was done. Why? Because work is at work and school stuff is no different. If you do not learn this early you will have life-work balance issues. < 1491607420 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :school needs to be revised, but kept. it is essential. < 1491607429 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essential to what? Horse manure? < 1491607444 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: indeed. But there are pedalogics that defy logics < 1491607455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: essential to acquiring the skills to earn money < 1491607478 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something which even universities aren't focused on these days < 1491607486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ are you presently in school < 1491607491 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the core of the problem < 1491607503 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Depends what you consider under the term "school". Would a learning environment that's not comparable to manure be considered school? < 1491607511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1491607523 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you going to shun me when I reveal that I am presently in school, simply because I am a "student"? < 1491607524 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :never understood why univeristies and such are meant to be training camps for employers. < 1491607548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: becasue they cost so much < 1491607559 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's not just school I have a problem with. < 1491607585 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if universities are not teaching how to earn money, then they are a waste of time and a waste of enormous aamounts of money < 1491607586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, well i mean school can be stressful and shitty for various reasons which can lead one to indulge in fantasies of radical educational reform < 1491607597 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the camps? or the univeristies? Srue the price has gone up but then the overhead has too afaisi. < 1491607604 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can be/inevitably is < 1491607631 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a problem with some of the most common parenting practices too. < 1491607654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you do < 1491607664 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about schools. The whole concept of grading is crappy but especially how USA implement it. < 1491607665 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time-outs for doing "naughty" things can fuck right off, because children act to achieve their urgent needs. < 1491607671 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgent needs for love and care. < 1491607691 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the parent's fault if the child has to act "naughty" to get attention. < 1491607697 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I advocate radical education reform and I became a fully-fledged adult with a well paying job more than a year ago < 1491607700 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gone back with papers that just got an grade and nothing else from the teacher. < 1491607714 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they may be under a lot of stress; work could be to blame too. < 1491607730 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the problem is that up until university, virtually nothing I was taught I actually use in my present job < 1491607733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i have nothing against radical education reform in general but in this case it just reads as venting personal stress < 1491607763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly find the idea that education should be whittled down to totally utilitarian job preparation to be completely abhorrent < 1491607776 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh, you use what the British called the three Rs, every day do you not? (Reading, wRiting and aRithmatic) < 1491607791 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with venting personal stress? < 1491607809 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't taught those in school. My parent's taught them to me before I entered kindergarten < 1491607811 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Reading can often be learnt at home with these things you can get from shops and libraries called "books". < 1491607819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common line in this vein is "school never taught me to file my taxes or write a monthly budget!" < 1491607852 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, why not? isn't that a useful thing that could be included? < 1491607872 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nor did the schools even teach how to even get information about that kind of stuff. We Icelanders have an class for that kind of stuff, it is called 'Lífsleikni'. < 1491607906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently it doesn't work! students just don't give a shit about being taught very specific procedures that they don't actually need to perform yet < 1491607921 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Students don't give a shit about things they're forced into doing. < 1491607929 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no wonder. < 1491607946 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ rdococ how much educational psychology research have you done < 1491607948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much have you read < 1491607953 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1491607962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much are you drawing your opinions from "they made me do this at school and it pissed me off" < 1491607973 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1491607987 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :They force students to do a lot of things. Namely lessons many of them are probably not interested in. < 1491607988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: hence why I advocate having different streams starting at an early age. kids who like math can go into the math stream and not bother with essays for example < 1491607989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c my current evaluation is that all your strongly-proclaimed views on How Education Should Be Done derive entirely from the latter < 1491608011 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My opinions are drawn from "CHILDREN ARE HUMANS". < 1491608021 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to answer your question even though it was not aimed at me: I have done something strange, I have looked into the methadologies of some educational psychology research and frankly found it rather wanting. < 1491608040 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/found it/found them/ < 1491608053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, lol < 1491608078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise that you had a total and infallible model of human nature worked out < 1491608088 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1491608099 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth are you talking about? < 1491608115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you apparently know exactly what should and shouldn't be done in education < 1491608122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :solely on the basis of "CHILDREN ARE HUMANS" < 1491608146 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what I have found the most irritating about schooling is rote-memorization. < 1491608149 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So you think treating children like actual humans - giving them the right of choice to what they want to learn about - is "exact"? < 1491608167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never been responsible for a child have you rdococ < 1491608167 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be at the very least a generalized "Art Stream", "Humanities Stream", "Science Stream", divided starting in grade 5 < 1491608178 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You've never given a fuck about a child, have you? < 1491608189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just are/were recently a child and have a chip on your shoulder about your treatment < 1491608221 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is the converse the true about you? That you were child so long ago that you have forgotten? < 1491608222 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seriously? < 1491608233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, i've never been responsible for a child, no. which is why i don't go around shooting my mouth off about it on the internet like i know for sure how best to do it < 1491608250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this apparently is no obstacle to you < 1491608252 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have even deeper experience with children. I AM A CHILD. < 1491608266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no shit welcome to the entire fucking human race < 1491608293 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you think about the idea of dividing students into different career streams very early < 1491608316 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hm. Okay. Let me get this straight. You think I should have little to no say in how I should be treated, for what legitimate reason exactly? < 1491608328 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it is not the splitting up the curiculum or such that I deem to be the problem but the actual methods used to do teaching. < 1491608344 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, it's hard not to call you an asshole for thinking I shouldn't be given freedoms. < 1491608355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you are obviously entitled to a say but not to total dictatorial fiat over the matter < 1491608365 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what you sound like. < 1491608368 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491608378 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Look, one source of your lack of creativity is probably that you simply disregard certain kinds of information as uninteresting. However, one key source of inspiration is to think about various things, and try to connect them. School may not be perfect but it can still function as a source of inspiration. You probably also do not appreciate (but that time will come) just how much free... < 1491608384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...time you have, even with school taking a huge part out of that. Finally, this is hard to accept, but what you think is good for you and what will actually benefit you in the long term are not the same thing. < 1491608388 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if students are being taught subjects they are interested in they will learn well even if teachers are quite incompetent < 1491608392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, sounds crazy tbqh < 1491608402 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you think shit like school is going to benefit me? < 1491608420 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome sleffy < 1491608422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04sleffy: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.) < 1491608422 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if all I've actually learned is "my life is futile" or some shit like that? < 1491608424 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you could look at Phantom_Hoover as a demented geraric that should not be given as much freedom as he is old curmagedonly and does not know how to navigate the current world. Just as an thought exercise. < 1491608450 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is old? < 1491608453 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: You know, that's actually a very good idea. It would show him how I feel. < 1491608463 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I would go about it, though. < 1491608473 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1491608478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck me we were the channel babies 6 years ago and already we're geriatrics < 1491608486 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I get a relcome committee? < 1491608491 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is how your attitude to rdococ comes across here. < 1491608531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attitude to rdococ is basically "i remember kind of feeling similarly in the past and i now think that i was pretty misguided" < 1491608537 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why should we teach students to analyze shakespeare if they are destined to program, write proofs, or weld steel? < 1491608548 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it comes across as "You are pretty misguided because I think I was." < 1491608563 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Phantom_Hoover, you seem to be the misguided one here. < 1491608567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much yeah. you sound pretty misguided < 1491608580 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1491608592 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you remember feeling similarly in the past and now you think you were pretty misguided. What caused your change of heart? < 1491608597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing you're mid teens? everyone in their mid teens thinks that they unquestionably know what's best for them and that the world is unfairly conspiring to keep them down < 1491608604 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1491608618 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a programming language based on shakespeare < 1491608628 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( they're half right anyway... :-P ) < 1491608630 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t(-_-)t < 1491608643 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( guess which half ;-) ) < 1491608645 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, ya think this is purely gelgjuskapur? (closest but not quite acurate translation is teenage agnst) < 1491608647 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, well do you think the purpose of school is solely to turn you into an effective worker < 1491608651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1491608663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to an effective member of society? < 1491608683 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, but I do not recall its name. I could be something like "To Be or Not To Be, that is the buzzing question" < 1491608687 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: we always welcome newcomers to this fine channel! (we being usually myself, trigger happy with the `relcomes...) < 1491608688 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1491608689 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a first order approximation, an effective worker is an effective contributor to society < 1491608706 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: have you already perused our magnific wiki? < 1491608715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian, well that's too patronising because obviously a lot of people do go through unfair shit in their teens < 1491608728 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is an effective member of society? Everyone I have ever asks only give answers that are insubstancial as fog when probed. < 1491608735 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you see that shachaf rebelled against the eternal wisdom? < 1491608739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you're a teenager you tend to be really bad at evaluating that! < 1491608745 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What! < 1491608749 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that's how I got here < 1491608761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is responsible. < 1491608783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian, idk. as far as shakespeare goes i think the ability to engage with and understand culture is valuable and we would be impoverished without it < 1491608787 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello! what you say! < 1491608788 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the language is just named Shakespeare < 1491608788 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, my interest in entirely usable and practical programming languages with real-world applications < 1491608791 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is the patronising that seems to be what is comming from you. But then again often the 'it is too complex for you to understand' implict attitude does that. < 1491608799 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay. Listen. You think you know what my life is like? Well, you don't. You've grown so old you don't remember how shit school was. But I do remember, because I am living in it. I don't give a fuck if it's "beneficial to me in the long term" (which it absolutely isn't), I'm sick of being treated like shit. < 1491608831 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: computer science student? < 1491608832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i'm not saying, at all, that whatever you're going through at school is for your own good so shut up and stop complaining < 1491608840 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: do tell, perhaps we gain some insight why the schooling system is not working, at least not working for you? < 1491608851 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I guess I'm technically a student < 1491608868 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fresh out of high school, on a "gap year" which turned into getting bored enough to take classes at city college < 1491608875 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a high school student only 6 years ago < 1491608878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am saying is that you shouldn't use your personal experiences to inform a total hatred of all formal education < 1491608889 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate all formal education. < 1491608892 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all public schooling. < 1491608900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato, potato < 1491608903 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: heh :D < 1491608903 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://sprunge.us/NgEP seems to be the relevant bit (for reference, it's now 00:48) < 1491608911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't do that either < 1491608923 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1491608928 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language design is a hobby, personal goal is a fairly ergonomic efficient and purely functional language which can run without a heap < 1491608936 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do like I do, look if the experience is shared with lot of other people, then use that to inform the hatred of stultified education. < 1491608940 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all public schooling that requires you to "learn" about things you're not interested in. < 1491608945 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dun dun dun! I can't remember when was the last time I updated it, tho... < 1491608972 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The point is, the majority of what people think when they hear the word "school", is utter bullshit. < 1491608981 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and are not even remotely usefull? is that a good qualifier to add? < 1491608989 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: just before christmas it seems < 1491608999 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Agreed. < 1491609000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, hahaha do you not see how you're coming across here as an angry kid who thinks he knows better than everyone else < 1491609015 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to you maybe, I quite sympathize < 1491609019 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: running without a heap is quite difficult. you can try to cram everything on the stack, but then you're still stuck doing some memory shuffling by other means to achieve interesting stuff. < 1491609025 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think I know better than everyone else. But I do know better than everyone else about myself. < 1491609035 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, perhaps, other students too. < 1491609037 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's always before christmas. < 1491609046 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what goes on in the brains of other people, and I don't admit to that. < 1491609053 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's not always *just* before christmas though. < 1491609056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you objectively don't, humans are incredibly shitty at self-evaluating < 1491609058 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm okay with a sorta "holey" stack. That's a necessary sacrifice to make. For reference I'm looking at Rust's implementation which admits the same thing < 1491609058 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do know many students seem to complain. < 1491609060 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: even though said usefullness is only to kindle a bit of likeness to good asethetics. Like learning of the still life paintings of the old masters. < 1491609069 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBF Rust trusts the LLVM to optimize bits of that away < 1491609084 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: point. < 1491609106 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, while I want it to be usable without a heap, I recognize that for many things a heap is borderline necessary, so I want to make heap operations available via a library < 1491609127 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Imagine a thought experiment where you were prodded and poked with a hot iron, and then I said the same sort of things to you. How would you feel? Probably pretty upset. But that's just your objective shittiness to self-evaluation, correct? < 1491609128 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders doing a quick s/shachaf/anonymous/g < 1491609130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting everything on the stack would mean aligning your function call structure with your memory allocation patterns, right? < 1491609136 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: what do those students complain mostly about? < 1491609175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, i'm not even going to engage with that because you are not in fact being prodded with a hot iron < 1491609189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I was forced to learn about shakespere plays and other things that I wasn't interested in, do not use in my present job, and had no benefit I can percieve. < 1491609225 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Really, I thought I was. The point is, humans might be shitty at self-evaluation, but they aren't shitty at realising when they're being treated like shit. < 1491609235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i absolutely hated doing shakespeare in school but < 1491609237 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I said all this kind of stuff to slaves, back when slavery was accepted? < 1491609238 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what? < 1491609277 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now you're grateful because you can now torment the next generation on how they're so bad at self-evaluation? < 1491609279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :later on in english we did some other texts which i found engaging and had things to say about < 1491609284 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah, I guess so, if I understand exactly what you mean < 1491609285 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1491609295 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What does that have to do with shakespeare? < 1491609299 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're referring to returning large structures which don't fit in a register? < 1491609309 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: news for ya, most people are still bad at self-evaluation even after teenage years. < 1491609317 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe if they had started with the engaging texts, you'd be a writer. < 1491609325 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers himself below average driver for example. < 1491609355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and subsequently the ability to critically analyse works i read for entertainment has, i think, really enhanced my appreciation of them < 1491609358 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Maybe that's what Phantom_Hoover is going through, then. He is re-evaluating his past at school, and his past-evaluation is shit - which I definitely agree is true. < 1491609373 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Again, maybe if they had started with the engaging texts, you'd be a author. < 1491609374 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of hard to make a minimalist stack language if you want it to be more powerful than push-down < 1491609400 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You could cheat and turn it into a tape by adding a command to move the top element to the bottom. < 1491609404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, no it isn't < 1491609446 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I have a more advanced theory: If I hadn't wasted so much time on useless stuff I could have entered university 2 years earlier, and by now been working fro 3 years. < 1491609447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficient stack-only allocation basically just means that you malloc/free in FILO order < 1491609454 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already hard to make a pure functional language that doesn't have pippenger's slowdown < 1491609464 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :well malloc isn't really minimalist < 1491609471 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you think your two separate experiences of "doing Shakespeare" and "critically analysing works" somehow 'prove' that school is 'good' for you? Because they don't. < 1491609479 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491609514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they proved to me that hating being in a class in school does not invalidate the entire value of teching that thing in school < 1491609516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491609532 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of does, if you're not interested in such a thing in the first place. < 1491609552 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, it definitely comes across to me that you are saying "whatever you're going through at school is for your own good so shut up and stop complaining" < 1491609573 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, by not allowing children to specialize their education to the things they are good at, we are wasting literally YEARS of productivity for every individual < 1491609578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not at all. i am saying that please stop posting here saying that school is useless and terrible < 1491609584 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, \oren\. < 1491609585 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you may mean fifo order, which is less delicious but more stack-like