< 1491609606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i was going to write fifo but then i was like 'that's the wrong one' < 1491609614 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Where? < 1491609615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it must be filo < 1491609625 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Others seem to be participating in the topic - you seem to be bored of it. I guess I'll just get bored of the stories of people with cancer, or poverty, too. < 1491609628 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our economy as a whole is then hindered, and billions of dollars are wasted < 1491609631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :filo: push a b c d, pop d c b a < 1491609638 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Exactly! < 1491609650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not bored, quite the opposite < 1491609660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifo: push a b c d, pop a b c d < 1491609666 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then why do you want me to stop? < 1491609675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in boily's wisdom repo < 1491609691 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because you are trying to invalidate my cries for help? < 1491609695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think you're being an arrogant prick who thinks he knows better than everyone else on the planet < 1491609707 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1491609718 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both seem to think that each other is being said arrogant prick. < 1491609721 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is MIDI really fixed to 128 instruments? < 1491609733 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, what we are discussing is the education of people like me. < 1491609736 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in the sense that there are 128 instruments it can use and no more?? < 1491609742 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which would not have any immediate effect and I rather suspect boily would just revert the change and revoke my commit access :P < 1491609745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have my every sympathy in your cries for help but i suggest finding a way to express them that isn't "i know better than all these idiots who make up society" < 1491609753 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :We both seem to think that each other is being said arrogant prick. < 1491609755 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, what we are discussing is the education of people like me. < 1491609774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite worried for your sake that you'll end up reading ayn rand or something < 1491609775 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large orchestra has fewer than 128 different instruments < 1491609778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: School isn't useless, but it would be better by allowing some specialization < 1491609782 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ayn Rand"? < 1491609788 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the moment you find out, "well timmy is good at writing creatively, but not so good at long division and algebra" little timmy could be placed into a special "writing stream" where only the most vital mathematics is taught. < 1491609813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The issue with that, of course, is that sometimes you figure it out later on, or you just get a bad teacher < 1491609825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, literally have you looked at any research that's been done on the effectiveness of aggressive streaming in education < 1491609825 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Ayn Rand is a writer who a lot of people hate. Read her books! < 1491609836 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Why do people hate her? < 1491609849 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1049/ <-- having read the books I fully agree < 1491609853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because she's the definition of arrogant, self-absorbed, antisocial selfishness < 1491609869 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and has "bad" political views < 1491609883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, i would advance https://xkcd.com/610/ as the better xkcd take on rand < 1491609898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, fuck me are you an objectivist < 1491609911 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I'm a TROLL < 1491609916 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1491609939 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, perhaps too ambiguous without the image title < 1491609949 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, how is "School is shit, it treats students like shit, it should be abolished" equal to "Be an asshole and troll to everyone! LOL!" < 1491609950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Especially like, what if Timmy could be a great mathematics communicator, educating the dull masses about the wonderful and useful parts of mathematics (See: Douglass Hofstadter; Matt Parker; James Grimes; Mr. whoever wrote How Not To Be Wrong) that- if they teach you them in school *at all*- they wait until AP high school classes to even *mention* despite the simplicity of the basics (like Group Theory) < 1491609971 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: so, If you want to learn ideas that will utterly infuriate people like Phantom_Hoover, read the book "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand! < 1491610002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, did you look at the comic i linked? < 1491610007 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I did. < 1491610027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, since you deny him anything more than the most basic mathematics (and he likes that!), he never gets to the good part and just internalizes that math is terrible because it's a chore that he does because he *must* and because he never has to *really* understand, so he never sees the good part < 1491610033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see why i get a sense of the same sentiments from what you've been saying here < 1491610039 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm for some reason I had associated a stack with lifo order but not filo < 1491610062 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of see where you're coming from, but where she goes "Everyone is stupid; be an asshole", I go "Everyone is stupid about this one particular thing; try to educate them". < 1491610073 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Educate in the good way, not the school way. < 1491610083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yeah. < 1491610095 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because educating people in the school method about things would be equivalent to being an asshole, and a control freak to boot. < 1491610108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The way schools teach mathematics is atrociously unmathematical < 1491610114 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Agreed. < 1491610115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, okay but what you seem to be missing out on is the part where < 1491610129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My precalculus teacher was literally impressed when I decided to prove the Change of Base Theorem < 1491610141 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I believe I covered the "arrogant" part you keep going on about already. < 1491610145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe everyone else isn't stupid, maybe i'm not the only person who happens to be right, maybe they have a case for their beliefs and it's more complicated than i think" < 1491610169 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1491610170 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, if you're unsure, log_b(x) = log_k(x)/log_k(b) forall [usefully-defined] k) < 1491610173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe i should try to make my voice heard but in doing so hear the voices of others" < 1491610178 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: In general, I advocate reading about dangerous ideas. Read Atlas Shrugged. Read the book "Beyond Good and Evil" by Nietzsche. Read "Capital" by Karl Marx. < 1491610179 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1491610202 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :So these voices of others are "Go to school, a place you find hell, because it'll probably be good for you in the future, idk because I don't remember. LOl!" < 1491610205 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Read Art of the Deal < 1491610221 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my voice is "Please kill me now, or free me from this terrifying dystopia." < 1491610224 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: indeed, although it wasn't actually written by Trump < 1491610229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't actually read atlas shrugged tho because it's the prose equivalent of that thing where you try to eat a packet of crackers without drinking any water" < 1491610235 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yeah, that'd be one of the dangerous ideas. < 1491610252 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you seriously expecting me to listen to voices that agree with my almost literal enslavement? < 1491610252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, Nietzsche < 1491610268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's not *that* close to literal < 1491610277 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It's not too far from literal, either. < 1491610287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, okay see this is what i'm talking about, when you are at the point where going to school is "almost literal enslavement" you have nobody to blame but yourself when people don't take you seriously < 1491610299 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Das Kapital is mostly a rather weird and outdated theory of macroeconomics < 1491610306 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't understand what you mean. < 1491610313 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I am not sure if you answered already. How is grading done in your school? Is it beurocratically arbritary and based on the whim of the teachers? < 1491610315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um. I don't actually see how he's wrong. < 1491610318 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this another one of your rants where you try to explain away my feelings? < 1491610320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this again is a hallmark of randians < 1491610326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OTOH, reading "Beyond Good and Evil" and "Capital" might be a bad idea because they were written by people that we don't like in a foreign language < 1491610333 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not selfish, either. < 1491610347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"paying my taxes is LITERALLY SLAVERY AND RAPE" < 1491610348 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so is most of Keynesian and think Mises stuff. < 1491610350 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1491610362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And since we don't plan to teach students fluent German *just* to read 2 books, they'll be reading a translation < 1491610375 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it is like many of them have not learned proberly about logistics or meta-logistics. < 1491610378 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, okay, wait, so you think I equate paying taxes to the fresh hell of school? < 1491610378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i don't know what to say except 'read more about what slavery is' < 1491610396 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: being forced to do work without being paid < 1491610410 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY. < 1491610412 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do not know about you. But my taxes do not go to boondoggles like wars. < 1491610420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is doing community service as punishment for a crime LITERAL SLAVERY then < 1491610425 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1491610432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it then be abolished < 1491610436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Work that benefits others without benefiting you, involuntarily < 1491610453 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I mean, you are ~forced to do school work and not *directly* paid < 1491610455 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, some of my stronger feelings are that all punishment should be abolished, but that's not the point of this conversation. < 1491610459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, \oren\ < 1491610475 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: depends on the crime. Some crimes such as publicly urinating should result in public toilet cleaning and mantenance. < 1491610480 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm sorry, are you about to suggest that school indirectly benefits me? That's what Phantom_Hoover has been saying this whole time. < 1491610485 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the translator was probably an American with the pre-internalized "COMMUNISM AND ATHEISM ARE BAD", regardless of whether it's true (the first may be, the second is not), so the translation is pretty bad. < 1491610490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should this conversation be abolished? < 1491610497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho yes < 1491610499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes? < 1491610504 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know; does it include slavery? < 1491610505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION submits his vote < 1491610508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there are translators who are communists < 1491610509 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, white smoke < 1491610512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my posting in this conversation is LITERAL SLAVERY < 1491610515 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, not as a topic of conversation, but as an actual thing. < 1491610522 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yeah, but we're not going to trust those dirty communists to educate their kids < 1491610529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atheism may be bad. < 1491610530 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Making that stupid joke is LITERALLY SLAVERY < 1491610536 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably not though. < 1491610542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1491610547 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can opt out of this conversation whenever you want. At this point, you're just making shitty jokes. < 1491610553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more than any other religion*. < 1491610557 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a very serious topic, too. < 1491610559 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame on you. < 1491610560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, i am compelled here by the MALIGNANT FORCE OF A TYRANNICAL SOCIETY to post in this conversation < 1491610577 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this conversation should move to a different channel. < 1491610580 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*I mean, atheism isn't one, but it's still a value- the same way you can have 0 sheep] < 1491610581 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you seriously fucking think that what I go through is equivalent to a joke? < 1491610583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1491610585 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No personally I advocate exposing oneself to as many ideas that others hate as possible. < 1491610586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Or abolished entirely < 1491610595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about #esoteric-blah? < 1491610599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, the real tragedy of it is that we were actually talking about esolangs for a minute earlier < 1491610600 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't care about that, really < 1491610602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was going to suggest #esoteric-flame < 1491610606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was quite an interesting topic < 1491610633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another tragedy is you don't give a fuck about children. < 1491610641 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Making a computer contort to execute esolangs for you is LITERAL SLAVERY < 1491610644 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humanity's future, being treated like shit. < 1491610656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, for the nth time this isn't about what you're going through, it's about your decision to shitpost in #esoteric about it < 1491610673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is there a procedure for some sort of official channel vote, or..? < 1491610685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the procedure is finding someone with ops < 1491610692 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, figured < 1491610694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1491610696 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: first the chair must clearly state the motion to be voted on < 1491610704 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Ah, yes. < 1491610710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: On a related note, are you a fan of Nomic? < 1491610711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ops < 1491610713 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1491610716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1491610718 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ops < 1491610719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/msg ChanServ access list #esoteric < 1491610721 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not enough time to play lately < 1491610727 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This started because someone called me out on my lack of creativity. < 1491610741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran #xkcd-nomic on Foonetic for a while, but it deyed < 1491610756 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explained that school caused it, and now here we are, with someone on my side, an idiot who can't tell slavery from taxes, and some other people who just want to esolang. < 1491610782 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should stop already. I have two weeks off, and I shouldn't let this stupid school thing swallow my life. < 1491610807 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed? < 1491610812 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: poke? < 1491610813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is by far the wisest thing you've said tonight < 1491610826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1491610827 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you're just going to criticise me again. < 1491610827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steprans//A Steprans variable is a variable whose notation is variable. < 1491610864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not, 'don't let this stupid school thing swallow your life' is genuinely an excellent idea regardless of what you or i think about the whole thing < 1491610866 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the wisest thing I've said tonight, includes the fact that Phantom_Hoover is an idiot who can't tell slavery from taxes. < 1491610894 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you're an insufferable prick right now < 1491610918 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is correct < 1491610919 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm sorry if I'm causing you any discomfort. School causes me discomfort too, so I can sympathize. < 1491610920 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: he was trolling me when he said that < 1491610922 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what was that thing about stacks < 1491610940 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, yes < 1491610941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thought I adhered to the ideology of Ayn Rand < 1491610953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pops this topic of conversation off of the #esoteric tangent stack < 1491610969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, please please follow your own good advice and drop it < 1491610977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Peek? < 1491611008 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hi < 1491611011 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was in the process of doing such a thing. < 1491611046 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the conversation has been popped from the stack; the conversation is no longer stored in memory. So, drop what? < 1491611053 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop it and go to the library and get some of those books I told you about, you'll like them I think < 1491611057 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a minimalist stack language with two stacks would be Turing-complete. The challenge is to find something interesting and minimal between PDA and TC. < 1491611069 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between PDA and TC? < 1491611089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we were originally talking about a notional rust variant with only stack allocation < 1491611092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like someone to figure out how Call Queue works. < 1491611097 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDA = push-down automaton; TC = Turing complete < 1491611103 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1491611105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i thought was quite interesting because it's esoteric in a reasonably practical way < 1491611114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooch-down automaton?! < 1491611135 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we ban pooches too < 1491611165 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pull-Up automaton < 1491611168 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch ♪ < 1491611168 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's that tree stack thing. < 1491611210 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if giving a data tree the ability to hold a countably infinite number of branches and nodes would give it FSA capability, or TC capability. < 1491611232 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh I haven't seen that, thanks! < 1491611242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's really an incomplete language, and I think that the page at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Call_Queue should just explain the concept, personally < 1491611248 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a particular incomplete language < 1491611256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tree alone has no computational class, how are you operating on it < 1491611316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a PDA has an infinite stack but since it can only operate on the top element it's sub-TC; give it the ability to operate on an arbitrary element and its TC < 1491611345 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1491611356 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an FSA that fits the criteria to be a tree? < 1491611360 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: google brought me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_stack_automaton < 1491611438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, well you can unwind any FSA's state graph into a countably infinite tree < 1491611461 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly my point. < 1491611464 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda. < 1491611478 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that was my point, but I'm never certain. < 1491611506 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an uncountably infinite tree? < 1491611514 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be PDA, or TC? < 1491611536 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be able to unwind an infinite SA's state graph into an uncountably infinite tree, yes? < 1491611561 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make it TC. < 1491611571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could unwind any TM into a countable tree as well i think < 1491611643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except idk if the operation i have in mind is any kind of meaningful < 1491611679 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1491611680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's template has a lot of proper subsets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Formal_languages_and_grammars < 1491611685 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though right now I'm irritated by the presence of "set_\gamma"... unless that only works on leaves... < 1491611750 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the nested stack automaton too, that's like the Funge-98 stack stack. < 1491611807 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, in general i'd expect these to be TC... < 1491611856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you should just be able to directly use the tree stack as a tape < 1491611872 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tree stack one is, but the restricted form isn't. < 1491611877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the nested stack one isn't. < 1491611947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers the original question i guess < 1491611980 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted the restriction Wikipedia talks about is a little awkwardly arbitrary. < 1491612076 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :With multiplication and division by a set amount, could a BF machine with one cell and unbounded value be TC? < 1491612097 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Not sure. < 1491612144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely 'no' < 1491612172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your only way to do anything conditionally is if the cell drops to 0, at which stage all the data in your program is gone < 1491612174 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some extra conditional, otherwise any test will reset your state completely in one of the branches < 1491612226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's basically a finite state machine where the state is just which loop you're in < 1491612301 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1491612317 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1491612323 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1491612441 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function#Reduction_to_3-cell_brainfuck < 1491612482 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-cell is probably sub-TC but it seems that no one's bothered to prove it? < 1491612590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-cell brainfuck + constant multiplication/divison is enough that i'd wonder if you could do FRACTRAN in it < 1491612811 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1491612891 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oerjan has tried but I believe his proof is still incomplete < 1491613195 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I once tried to make things work with just two mutable cells and one or two that is always zero (and where trying to modify that cell would be an error) < 1491613819 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491613856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SubStation Alpha is an... unfortunate format < 1491613869 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file extension is .ass < 1491613925 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1491614266 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fjgkhpobdldwlddu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491614354 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491614396 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CLASHING CHICKEN < 1491614460 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jvzsiigvpfcudixj JOIN :#esoteric < 1491614564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it's Advanced SubStation Alpha < 1491614568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the subtitle format) < 1491614570 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1491614572 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :.assa < 1491614648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1491615016 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jvzsiigvpfcudixj QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491615120 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tonyrahatzwrgyza JOIN :#esoteric < 1491616551 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491616600 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1491616644 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491616917 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491618747 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491618860 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491618924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1491619358 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491619662 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1491619662 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491619670 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491619693 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think noah built the great pyramid, and it's actually the great ark < 1491619724 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ark was made from the cheese of the pizzas noah kept < 1491619748 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sharp chedder is the best kind of cheese, but only when it's melted < 1491619776 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about this: < 1491619787 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only two of every animal got on board, all of them would have to inbreed < 1491619881 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://viewzone.com/pyramidcavesx.html < 1491619895 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about this: < 1491619899 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the telephone game < 1491619912 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the details of stories are lost as time moves forwards < 1491619929 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hear a story about taking two of each animal literally, well... < 1491620046 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1491620066 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not religious anyway < 1491620500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were seven pairs of _some_ animals < 1491620570 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1491620627 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clean ones, aka those jews can eat < 1491620633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1491620709 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kosher ones < 1491620867 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kosher < 1491620876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome slacko64_31196 < 1491620877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13slacko64_31196: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1491620899 0 :slacko64_31196!~puppy@63-152-227-146.stcd.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1491620906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect our topic is a bit deceptive at the moment. < 1491620949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, what happened to the topic? < 1491620954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Olds: There ar pyramids in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491620959 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1491620966 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Olds: There are pyramids in Egypt | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1491622540 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQWXRJ8Lc4 < 1491622853 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say it's a new pyramid, but it seems pretty old < 1491623067 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1491623076 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491623190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491623876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491623970 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491624667 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491624690 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491628160 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491628184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491628290 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491628920 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491629024 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491629153 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491629205 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491629307 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491629490 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1491629602 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491630290 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-lkwstzhbfoeoogys JOIN :#esoteric < 1491631510 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491631868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51646&oldid=51616 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1109) 10/* Conjecture counterexample */ new section < 1491632131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric files archive < 1491632131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: esoteric files archive: Is a directory < 1491632137 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1491632174 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into evincar today. < 1491632183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1491632202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug, hm, but how did that happen < 1491632210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1491632223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1491632224 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1491632226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my phone, hard to see what command I ran. < 1491632234 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mess it up? < 1491632236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot to use two slashes < 1491632249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. But it had http:// < 1491632254 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1491632254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now. < 1491632277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should force le//rn < 1491632282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed it into the log because the response was lower cased < 1491632284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i do < 1491632304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1491632317 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I used l a/rn < 1491632323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn < 1491632341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not the point where the error happens, anyway < 1491632372 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it failed with the name le/rn I would've remembered to double slash it. < 1491632484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log -1 < 1491632485 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log: option -1 not recognized \ hg log [OPTION]... [FILE] \ \ show revision history of entire repository or files \ \ options: \ \ -f --follow follow changeset history, or file history across \ copies and renames \ -d --date DATE show revisions matching date spec \ -C --copies s < 1491632490 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1491632566 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn esoteric files archive//The Esoteric Files Archive is now available at https://github.com/graue/esofiles < 1491632567 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'esoteric files archive': The Esoteric Files Archive is now available at https://github.com/graue/esofiles < 1491633588 0 :augur!~augur@78.133.1.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491633668 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1491633859 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491633878 0 :augur!~augur@78.133.1.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491634151 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491634596 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491635237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches the big firehose to flush out all the remains of burnt strawmen from yesterday's channel discussions < 1491635268 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on my phone for most of that conversation so I didn't read it carefully. < 1491635283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not reading it carefully either. < 1491635297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I barely read any of it. < 1491635302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm better off that way. < 1491635308 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly. < 1491635690 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1491637860 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491638270 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491638676 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1491639154 0 :augur!~augur@78.133.1.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1491639455 0 :augur!~augur@78.133.1.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491640957 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mer-pointer is half fish, half pointer. A fishy pointer, if you will. < 1491641967 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491642063 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491642345 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491642623 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1491643016 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which half is the fish? < 1491643025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491643700 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the pointy half. < 1491644262 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so odd. java.sql.SQLException implements Iterable. < 1491644296 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It iterates over the cause chain, which makes some amount of sense, but it's specifically SQLException and its derivatives. < 1491644323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks odd in the "All Known Implementing Classes" list of https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/lang/Iterable.html < 1491645119 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for future reference: any plan that involves flying at 25 km altitude at 5 km/s is a good plan < 1491649232 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "This [...] is just Coyoneda" is not really helping me! ) < 1491649290 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1491649461 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: let me guess, the vessel was called Tunguska? < 1491649844 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I don't know... 25km altitude may actually be high enough to not immediately flatten everything on ground. < 1491651818 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1491655166 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe4a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1491655419 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tonyrahatzwrgyza QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491655441 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-whhxohckuiainrlv JOIN :#esoteric < 1491657491 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-whhxohckuiainrlv QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491657661 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ddjjulokxtwegroq JOIN :#esoteric < 1491657795 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds flighty < 1491660283 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-193.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1491660457 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1491661884 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe4a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1491662396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1491662466 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491662674 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1491662675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate//disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. < 1491662713 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits disflagrate < 1491662722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän boil̈y < 1491663311 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1491663312 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1491663403 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491663460 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? unnerver < 1491663461 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnerver? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1491665319 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1491665321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing//Nothing would have been better than to create this wisdom entry. < 1491665393 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ddjjulokxtwegroq QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491665431 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-abamrzryjssrloed JOIN :#esoteric < 1491665773 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a firehose? ╺ը╾═══💦⢑ < 1491665836 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it delivers disflagrating szoup < 1491666158 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a firehose? < 1491666176 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-abamrzryjssrloed QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491666301 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nxykfeaxhkoqkqkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1491666473 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nxykfeaxhkoqkqkf QUIT :Excess Flood < 1491666973 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1491667216 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491668091 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oejan is a firehose? < 1491668133 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan* < 1491668143 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an alternate universe, his name is Øryan < 1491668165 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another alternate universe, his name is Ørjen < 1491668419 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those don't sound like very interesting alternate universes < 1491668431 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1491668472 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some other universe, I'm actually useful for something instead of the worthless pile of IRChit I am < 1491668499 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't ever meant to be here. < 1491669550 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a gate that maps {A, B} to {A xor B, A and B}? < 1491669588 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF -> FF, FT -> TF, TF -> TF, TT -> FT...? < 1491669603 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1491669604 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1491669608 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1491669610 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1491670500 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to phở! < 1491670504 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SHAVING CHICKEN < 1491670665 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means < 1491671668 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Pokemon R/B/Y count as a programming language? < 1491671684 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we interpret it as one, is it TC? < 1491672022 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :// < 1491672204 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :asepotamia < 1491673228 0 :zsoc!~zsoc__@unaffiliated/zsoc PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1491673676 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491674089 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1491674104 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do of a sat? < 1491674113 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdhellococ! < 1491674170 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is Pokemon R/B/Y with ACE TC? < 1491674218 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it! < 1491674253 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what ace does or how it works < 1491674273 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe57.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1491674302 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary Code Execution. < 1491674313 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a glitch which allows you to execute arbitrary code in PKMN R/B/Y. < 1491674397 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have created games like both singleplayer and multiplayer Pong and singleplayer Snake in it, as well as two viruses (the first of which corrupts your game - the only thing you can do then is trade and spread the virus to others, and the second of which brings the Mew truck rumour to life). < 1491674468 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, given that the Game Boy doesn't have unbounded memory, I'd think it isn't < 1491674475 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you were referring to https://crystalnoel42.wordpress.com/pokemon-for-ace-kit/ < 1491674482 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1491674484 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing you're describing i know as "total control glitch" < 1491674512 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still; is it possible to execute every possible valid combination of instructions, or not? < 1491674540 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if not, some combinations may be equivalent and the system may be as TC as possible anyway as a result. < 1491674590 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my issue with it is that you're saying "Pokemon is TC" when what you mean is "8080/Z80 is TC". The latter is obviously true given access to arbitrary memory, while the former seems unlikely to be true < 1491674699 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the total control glitch entails writing Z80 instructions into game memory and using a buffer overflow to jump to them. it is not simulating anything on top of the game itself. < 1491675540 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1491675595 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1491675758 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491675848 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491676727 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1491677250 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491677537 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go watch the Ghost in the Shell movie with Scarlett Johannsen < 1491678102 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people should stop English-washing Romeo and Juliet. Only Italians are allowed to play them! < 1491679647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Italians would be preferable, although sometimes they might not have that possibility < 1491679682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they have good Italian actors to play them then they should, in preference to the English. < 1491680088 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1491680590 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The (Japanese) guy they have playing Aramaki speaks Japanese, and everyone else replies to him in English. It's a little odd. < 1491680657 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fe57.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1491680930 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1491681069 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491681145 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1491681548 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491681572 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1491682698 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone where to find the howto on using contract-of-adhesion against power trip junkies? < 1491682739 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're cyborgs, they've got google translate in their heads! < 1491682788 0 :longerstaff13!?@? NICK :Vault < 1491682810 0 :Vault!?@? NICK :longerstaff13 < 1491683146 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1491683668 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1491683907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Serprex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51647&oldid=51418 5* 03Serprex 5* (+52) 10Mention gas < 1491683936 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Serprex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51648&oldid=51647 5* 03Serprex 5* (+2) 10Let's use italics, it'll be fun < 1491684615 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1491686249 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491686253 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1491686255 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corkscrew//A corkscrew is a downwards spiral of doom. See mapole. < 1491687965 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491688271 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491688406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491689414 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491689480 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is content about abstract mathematics which is relevant to Esolangery appropriate for the Esowiki? < 1491689689 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Describe here on this IRC too I suppose. < 1491689730 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491690045 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491690609 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491690716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491691881 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1491692403 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's taken me 10 days but I now have a working XML parser (for a certain type of XML) written in C! < 1491692435 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 6 days of bugfixing, I'm now grinning ear to ear... < 1491692569 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHellodshot! < 1491692573 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc! < 1491692584 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1491692637 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491692652 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing XML from scratch is a bitch. < 1491692662 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It is < 1491692680 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code is far from perfect, but it works. < 1491692696 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does use GOTOs though... < 1491692702 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and converting stuff between jdom and jdom2 in Java because some legacy stuff makes me angry. < 1491692706 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about XML in the nitty-gritty < 1491692719 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hard things about parsing XML? < 1491692720 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: SACRILÈGE! how dare you! < 1491692724 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491692752 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I had to to break out on certain errors! < 1491692786 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that. that's ok. < 1491692827 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saves a lot of repeated code for freeing mallocs... < 1491693143 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1491693203 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: namespaces, etc. < 1491693206 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. it's a lot of grunt work for getting it Just Right™. < 1491693214 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjouroily < 1491693215 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1491693218 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorcah! < 1491693225 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering abandoning WinAmp in favour of PotPlayer < 1491693227 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[½]. < 1491693230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is a good plan < 1491693240 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC. < 1491693270 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: itym hppavellon[√½] hth < 1491693289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I've seen VLC because my mother's FWOB watches pirated TV shows with us on VLC < 1491693298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/FWOB/FWoB/ < 1491693307 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah, boily I see < 1491693324 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1491693331 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[They're mostly shows we have legal access to that we want to watch without eating up data] < 1491693352 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also cdata and entities and... < 1491693357 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is frigteningly complex < 1491693388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[√½ ≈ 0.7071067811865476] < 1491693425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: BURN IT WITH XORRISO FIRE < 1491693457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers XML to be his archnemesis < 1491693488 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION like sexps though. sexps are cool. < 1491693492 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1491693510 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"hppavilion[1]": ["what", "do", "you", {"think of": "JSON"}]} < 1491693523 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: JSON is OK, but you're using it terribly. < 1491693537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've heard good things about YAML < 1491693582 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1491693651 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[/¼] < 1491693681 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Client Quit < 1491693741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: hppavilion[4]? < 1491693766 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1:4] < 1491694020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1491694048 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that was my rendering of square root < 1491694079 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:y = x / (x + y) < 1491694086 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine an alien which used x:y rather than x/y < 1491694105 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1491694243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this < 1491694244 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a word < 1491694263 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sweet dreams < 1491694264 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1491694280 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? luftballon < 1491694281 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luftballon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1491694400 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indeed good things to be said about YAML < 1491694480 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? YAML < 1491694481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1491694904 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A Luftballon is an experimental weapon first developed by the German military in 1983 designed to scramble fighter jets, causing chaos and starting wars between their enemies. < 1491694906 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'luftballon': A Luftballon is an experimental weapon first developed by the German military in 1983 designed to scramble fighter jets, causing chaos and starting wars between their enemies. < 1491695862 0 :hppavilion[2]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1491695923 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds