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00:44:57 <oerjan> <izabera> how about using httpseverywhere . o O ( no, that's definitely too long... )
00:45:41 <HackEgo> 1/2:tanec//Why would there be a Tanec, that's ridiculous! \ d//D is a letter in the alphabet! It's also the name of a programming language. \ metasepia//metasepia knew the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks. \ kallisti//kallisti is a former prophet swearing off his pastry deity. \ llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychw
00:45:44 <HackEgo> 2/2:yrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch//Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a village in Wales.
00:49:38 * oerjan wonders what shachaf changed in the topic
00:49:52 <shachaf> I removed the first section and also something else.
00:50:00 <shachaf> I removed ?dl=0 in the wisdom pdf
00:50:11 <shachaf> I thought people agreed to remove the wisdom pdf entirely? But it keeps coming back so maybe not.
00:50:12 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hubby | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah.
00:50:32 <oerjan> i think you hallucinated people agreeing hth
00:50:55 <HackEgo> PDF stands for Pretty Depressing Format.
00:51:00 <HackEgo> Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf
00:51:08 <wob_jonas> as long as it's in wisdom, you don't need it in the topic
00:51:38 <oerjan> except that link is wrong
00:52:53 <oerjan> `slwd wisdom.pdf//s,htt.*,https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf,
00:52:54 <HackEgo> wisdom.pdf//Nicely formatted wisdoms and quotes book at https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
00:53:41 <HackEgo> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
00:54:11 <wob_jonas> Maybe wisdom/pdf should be edited to include the link instead
00:58:09 <HackEgo> 778) <zzo38> There is no rule in poker that says you have to try hard to win.
00:59:43 <HackEgo> 987) <zzo38> It appears magenta in my computer only because it is programmed to display bold text as magenta.
00:59:50 <HackEgo> 1287) <zzo38> [...] I told someone to tell the queen to tell the prime minister to cancel the EU. [...]
01:00:43 <shachaf> oh man, it was zzo38 all along
01:01:01 <HackEgo> 1083) <Bike> are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range
01:01:39 <HackEgo> 26) <zzo38> I am not on the moon.
01:01:52 <shachaf> FireFly: Do you like pollution markets?
01:04:43 <HackEgo> 1263) <lambdabot> "on the oehtr hadn, sinortg olny the ideinss of wdors is pceeflrty raabdeel,... <fizzie> Well, maybe pceeflrty is a bit too strong a word here.
01:05:45 <FireFly> it took me too long to figure out "sinortg" :\
01:06:04 <HackEgo> Ginorst is eht aillpr fo dgoo iikw aaeegmmnnt.
01:07:49 <HackEgo> 1152) <Sgeo> I have got to be less casual about typing rm -rf /
01:08:00 <HackEgo> 1152) <Sgeo> I have got to be less casual about typing rm -rf /
01:12:47 <HackEgo> Captain Phasma \ and boil until light brown. \ \ Combine sugar and olive oil and oregano. Remove chops. Break off \ doors along with tomatoes. Bake at 350 F for 45 minutes. Serve hot. \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: HONEY PEPPER (LA]) \ Categories: Diabetic, Fish, Chicken \ Yield: 4 Servings \ \
01:12:55 <HackEgo> 446) <oerjan> sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour
01:21:48 <HackEgo> 5pEV4X5h \ bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ nasmbuild \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
01:21:54 <HackEgo> wc: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try 'wc --help' for more information.
01:22:01 <HackEgo> wc: invalid option -- 'n' \ Try 'wc --help' for more information.
01:22:29 <HackEgo> ` is the prefix to greatness.
01:22:35 <HackEgo> ` is the prefix to greatness.
01:23:13 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
01:23:17 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, ` vs `` shouldn't matter though b/c i'm not using any shell features
01:23:36 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it also means you cannot take more than one argument
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02:22:11 <Sgeo> "The TeX license permits distribution of a modified version only in the form of the original version plus a differences file. If A and B are separately released that way, then merged, distributing the merged program as A plus a change file violates the license of B. Distributing this as B plus a change file violates the license of A. Distributing this in any other way violates both licenses."
02:42:54 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: "I made some changes to the diff, but it's a big file so I don't want to send you the whole thing. If only there was a way to- oh, wait"
02:43:31 <doesthiswork> yes but that would be TWO difference files not one
02:45:10 <hppavilion[1]> But French is ridiculous: I was just reading about Ēmmānūēl's political party, "En Marche!", and I noticed that the pronunciation is [ɑ̃ maʁʃ]
02:45:47 <hppavilion[1]> Which, in retrospect, is slightly less absurd now that I've noticed the ʃ, but still!
02:46:11 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: I'm particularly proud of the name I referred to the French president by though.
02:46:59 <shachaf> Mr2001: Fix your infrastructure, yo
02:49:32 <hppavilion[1]> I'm also excited about Greece's underdog candidate for... whatever the Greek leader is (Chief Philosophiser? Keeper of the Compass and Straightedge? Who knows), Aarōn Iota Subscript
02:51:07 <doesthiswork> I think that I don't get that pun other than that his name is another diacritic
02:55:30 <doesthiswork> I was disappointed when I found out that the etymology of de Gaulle was not what it should be
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03:06:30 <HackEgo> Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement.
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03:25:13 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: I've recommended before that the English name for [‹«›»] be "Willies"
03:25:20 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: I've recommended before that the English name for [‹«›»] be "Willies"
03:31:42 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: "Haskpad is free software (\"free\" as in Free Monad, \"Free Beer\", and \"Free Speech\")"
03:38:20 <hppavilion[1]> More typefaces should support Blackboard Bold as a font
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03:45:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rao]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51882&oldid=51880 * H3amza * (+78) /* Keywords */
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06:43:04 <hppavilion[1]> "US anti-Muslim bias incidents increased in 2016, group says"
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07:22:43 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: Out of curiosity, what's your native language? I need to know how embarrassed to be.
07:24:29 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: OK, good. I figured, but this channel taught me you can't be certain
07:25:01 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: If your native language wasn't English, I'd have to be even MORE embarrassed because mine is and I would've missed a pun made by a non-native speaker xD
07:26:00 <doesthiswork> many puns are easier to notice when you learn a language as an adult
07:26:05 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: ‹«›» are called "Guillemets", which is the diminutive of the equivalent of "William"
07:27:31 <doesthiswork> I get it, My coworker is named Guillimina, which was difficult to understand until I saw it written out.
07:30:54 <doesthiswork> I can't use any of the puns that I've come up with because they aren't very good but Victor Borge's puns seem to be a consequence of learning english as an adult.
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07:54:39 <hppavilion[1]> In my work of fiction, vampires have neither a reflection NOR a refraction
07:57:02 <doesthiswork> now that I think about it, vampires would be perfect for skylights and lampshades
07:58:19 <doesthiswork> they block direct lighting but let light destined to reflect pass unimpeded
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08:07:08 <doesthiswork> Yes, vampires are known for having no reflection, but being visible otherwise
08:07:59 <rdococ> but the way you phrased it makes it sound like it could be used to send information back in time
08:10:29 <rdococ> what if the light's destination is in a superposition?
08:16:45 <Mr2001> shachaf: infrastructure?
08:17:52 <shachaf> I don't know, something was broken.
08:20:44 <shachaf> Someone was being bold, I guess.
08:24:37 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea for a text encoding that allows you to represent even more symbols than unicode: even symbols that don't yet exist have a simple encoding
08:24:59 <hppavilion[1]> @ask \oren\ At what codepoint can I refer to Prince?
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08:34:47 <HackEgo> 1/3:=@ccc//=@ccc is a great innovation in gcc 6, kept top secret, where inline asm statements can return a value in the carry flag on x86_64. See https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-6/changes.html which keeps this secret, https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-6.1.0/gcc/Extended-Asm.html , http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2238065 . \ waltext2/
08:35:01 <HackEgo> 2/3:/WalText2 is WalrusOS's vector font renderer. See "WalText2i" for the improved version. \ ghost//A ghost is an unintelligent undead, similar to the skeleton but harder to create, because it's lacking the rest of the body. \ ngram model//An ngram model is just a Markov model with a sliding window state. \ orin//orin is oren's evil twin
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08:38:15 <HackEgo> 3/3:, stalking him from the other side of the international date line.
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12:00:05 <HackEgo> rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science.
12:00:56 <boily> . o O ( is there a pun in there, or am I imagining things? )
12:07:09 <HackEgo> 8813:2016-07-14 <shachäf> learn Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today\'s reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science.
12:08:26 <int-e> "<shachaf> an expert in new r[h]o science"
12:10:00 <int-e> it's sad that I had to go to the logs to finally get it... but the first part of that wisdom entry completely distracted me from it.
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12:22:57 <boily> int-e: int-ello. no, still don't getting it :/
12:23:34 <int-e> boily: read it out loud
12:23:43 <int-e> (the quote by shachaf)
12:25:21 <int-e> the [h] was added by me... quintopia suggested to insert it there.
12:25:39 <boily> an expert in new row science???
12:25:52 * boily feels quite dumb here
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15:48:49 <oerjan> `addquote <hppavilion[1]> In my work of fiction, vampires have neither a reflection NOR a refraction <doesthiswork> do they have absorption or emitance? <doesthiswork> now that I think about it, vampires would be perfect for skylights and lampshades <doesthiswork> they block direct lighting but let light destined to reflect pass unimpeded
15:48:52 <HackEgo> 1312) <hppavilion[1]> In my work of fiction, vampires have neither a reflection NOR a refraction <doesthiswork> do they have absorption or emitance? <doesthiswork> now that I think about it, vampires would be perfect for skylights and lampshades <doesthiswork> they block direct lighting but let light destined to reflect pass unimpeded
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16:07:33 <\oren\> hmm, so what do you do, keep some vampires chained up and cut their hair every year?
16:08:59 <\oren\> or does it apply to clothing too
16:10:14 <\oren\> in which case, you repeatedely dress and strip a restrained vampire
16:11:33 <Taneb> Maybe you could skin a vampire and just use the skin
16:14:54 <Taneb> Rather than having a whole vampire
16:26:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Braingolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51883&oldid=51881 * Mayube * (+157)
16:30:50 <\oren\> Taneb: well, that depends if vampires regrow their skin or not
16:33:03 <Phantom_Hoover> though actually it wouldn't b/c you can't butcher a live creature
16:33:19 <Phantom_Hoover> ...you can butcher body parts though! so you could lop its limbs off and make leather from that
16:35:31 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I don't think butchered body parts drop skin though?
16:36:13 <rdococ> I think all of the vampire must have the special property of no reflection, otherwise you'd see the rest of it in the reflection
16:36:59 <rdococ> then again, what happens to the blood or tomato ketchup that vampires consume?
16:38:28 <Taneb> ...would vampires have shadows?
16:39:05 <rdococ> it depends if the light hitting the vampire would be destined to be reflected by another surface if it did reflect from the vampire
16:41:09 <rdococ> When light hits a vampire, it will pass through the vampire iff its current trajectory leads it to a reflective surface.
16:42:00 <rdococ> So, if you count the floor as reflective (since it reflects light), vampires would have no shadow - imagine the floor as a mirror: you'd see the light the vampire would normally block.
16:42:28 <rdococ> But if you count the floor as non-reflective (since it's not usually as reflective as a mirror), vampires would have a shadow.
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16:45:55 <Taneb> I asked a physicist friend and she said "don't apply logic to fantasy"
16:46:13 <\oren\> rdococ: besically, the specular reflected light would pass through
16:46:49 <rdococ> Say you had a shiny, but not metallic, red surface. Would you see the vampire in it?
16:47:27 <\oren\> so if you're looking at for example pavement in the shadow of a vampire, you'd see a shadow, but the grains of the pavement's aggregate would still sparkle
16:47:32 <shachaf> int-e: I didn't get it either just now.
16:47:38 <shachaf> Too contrived. Too much setup.
16:48:04 -!- oerjan has set topic: Shining a light on vampirology | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah.
16:48:20 <rdococ> \oren\: I was under the impression that any reflection other than direct human vision would count
16:49:21 <Taneb> rdococ, what about, say, dog vision
16:49:28 <int-e> soon we'll get to the bottom of this mining business <-- a pun that I found yesterday in one of the Broken Sword adventure games.
16:49:53 <oerjan> clearly \oren\'s conclusion that vampires cause sparkling means the logic must be wrong.
16:50:18 <\oren\> oerjan: no, vampires just don't mitigate sparkling
16:50:19 <rdococ> I guess what we're asking for is the reflection threshold of the vampires' reflectionlessness...?
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16:50:55 <\oren\> or specular reflections of ligh sources they would otherwise block
16:51:16 <rdococ> when does non-specular reflection become specular?
16:51:43 <Taneb> I think vampires go against our understanding of quantum mechanics
16:52:00 <oerjan> Taneb: either that, or quantum mechanics is the cause of their reflection properties
16:52:20 <oerjan> maybe electrons are tiny vampires
16:52:28 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea for a way to improve QR codes; I wonder what's wrong with it.
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16:54:00 <hppavilion[1]> Taneb: ...has this conversation been going since yesterday?
16:54:18 <Taneb> I think it came back up when oerjan `addquoted it
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16:54:50 <Taneb> I didn't do as well as I'd like in my quantum information processing exam
16:55:03 <Taneb> So maybe I'm not the authority on what is and what isn't legal quanta
16:55:28 <hppavilion[1]> It's exactly the same, except that it looks completely different
16:55:40 <rdococ> I don't think vampires are useful for the FTL transportation of information, unfortunately
16:56:11 <\oren\> color QR code: 3 qr codes in diffrent colors superimposed
16:56:35 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Well, other than that it has nothing to do with that, but the 'c' IS for 'color'
16:57:03 <rdococ> honestly it only sounds useful to save space...
16:57:25 <hppavilion[1]> The second corner square (you know, they all have those 3 identical regions used to identify the orientation and- iirc- even if the code has been reflected) would be altered so that the inner squares have a number of visually-distinct colors (they can't be black or white; white is an empty square to fill in non-powers-of-2)
16:58:12 <rdococ> the second corner square/
16:58:14 <hppavilion[1]> The actual body is then written in those colors, with the position of the corresponding pixels in the color ID indicating its position in base 2^k
16:58:25 <rdococ> Can you show an example?
16:58:45 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: There are 3 corner regions on every code, iyrc. The second one is the middle one (unless there's already established nomenclature for it)
16:59:17 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: I don't have one yet and I really don't want to make it.
16:59:44 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: The point is that the body pixels are in pretty colors.
17:00:32 <\oren\> find pigments that preferentially absorb N different wavelengths
17:00:35 <hppavilion[1]> Any color pattern may be chosen in that space, so that these can use irregular patterns
17:01:00 <hppavilion[1]> So that, if you have a limited palette, you can still invoke it by choosing the colors carefully.
17:01:06 <\oren\> then you can use N superimposed QR codes
17:01:31 <rdococ> can it store any extra information, compared to a regular QR code?
17:02:46 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: The one I checked on the door- a 29×29 to sign up to use a music room outside of your normal class period- could have 4 times as many bits and 16 times as many combinations without changing the resolution OR size
17:03:18 <hppavilion[1]> (I noticed it when I was walking in and it triggered me to think about this idea again)
17:04:18 <hppavilion[1]> [to be clear, though, this only works if I understand QR codes correctly; if the "body" of the code- the area that isn't the 3 corner regions- can have arbitrary combinations, this makes sense; else, this all goes out the window)
17:04:49 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Oh, technically, if you have N colors, you're actually using log_2(N) superimposed codes
17:06:15 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: But, yeah, with k colors, you get equivalent information density to lb(k) QR codes of equal dimension to the cQR code in question.
17:08:58 <hppavilion[1]> I might be able to hack together an implementation of the decoder, but extracting the code panel from an image is another story (which was already difficult BEFORE you couldn't rely on it at least being a D=1 græyscale)
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17:14:35 <rdococ> there are color QR codes
17:15:01 <rdococ> yes, but it's still in prototyping phase
17:15:16 <rdococ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code#Extension
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17:17:44 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Looks like it follows the same idea as mine, other than the pattern not being where I put it
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20:17:45 <\oren\> California has voted to eliminate a Cold War-era law that allows state workers to be fired if they are found to be communists.
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22:32:34 <hppavilion[1]> I was thinking about angles, and I seem to have designed two ways of measuring 3d angles which correspond to cartesian vs. polar
22:32:54 <hppavilion[1]> The polar one seems to involve... rotating an angle? As in, you rotate the angle itself about an angle?
22:36:28 <fizzie> You mean spherical coordinates?
22:40:43 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: It's a 2-dimensional angle; you can think of it a point on the boundary of the unit sphere the way you can think of an angle as a point on the boundary of the unit circle
22:47:57 <Phantom_Hoover> the problem you're going to find is that 3d rotations don't map onto a sphere the way 2d rotations map onto a circle
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22:57:31 <\oren\> An oersted is equal to one dyne per maxwell
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23:12:05 <zzo38> You mentioned stuff before about if vampires do not have a visible reflection and/or does not cast a shadow. In GURPS, it is possible to define individually if your character is visible by direct sight, has a visible reflection, casts a shadow, is visible to ghosts, in visible to cameras, visible to sonar, etc.
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23:29:50 <zzo38> I don't know how it should interact in some cases with some physics either but do you know?
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23:41:50 <Zarutian> zzo38: oh, neat. Imagine a character that is only visible indirectly in, reflections, camera feeds and etc. A freak spell accident or some such. Just imagine the pain in the arse that character has to go through on daily basis.
23:42:18 <Zarutian> specially if the character is driving.
23:43:43 <DHeadshot> Zarutian: Like some kind of reverse vampire?
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23:44:20 <zzo38> Zarutian: Yes, OK. Yes you can define such a thing, and that is a possible reason for it too I suppose.
23:44:38 <Zarutian> DHeadshot: yeah, could get work as a stage hand in theater.
23:45:03 <Zarutian> DHeadshot: I meant yeah. And he or she could get work as a stage hand in theater.
23:47:22 <zzo38> Yes, I suppose it can have such advantages as that too.
23:49:44 <Zarutian> zzo38: but is there something specifing that a character can not be seen in odd number of reflections? (Only even ones)
23:50:14 <zzo38> GURPS currently has no such thing, although I like that idea too, and we can make up such a modifier for such thing
23:54:57 <boily> it's possible for GURPS to not have a thing?
23:55:29 <zzo38> Yes, sometimes is stuff missing, so we have to add them.
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