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00:51:12 <oerjan> . o O ( do wikipedia mirrors miss the Vampire page )
00:51:28 <shachaf> what's with all the vampire talk in here
00:52:09 <shachaf> oerjan: that reminds me, there hasn't been a new olist in quite a while
00:52:46 <oerjan> maybe he hurt his hand again
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01:02:10 <zzo38> Why interrupting aplay is sometimes results in a assertion failed message? It seems to do that if it is interrupted when the audio is nearly finished playing.
01:02:30 <HackEgo> Cale: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:02:39 <shachaf> Cale: Do you like FRACTRAN?
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01:17:04 <Cale> shachaf: I've never attempted writing anything in it, but it's a neat idea
01:17:20 <shachaf> Do you like calico kittens?
01:17:35 <oerjan> fractran is the most rational programming language hth
01:18:30 <oerjan> `learn Fractran is the most rational programming language.
01:18:32 <HackEgo> Learned 'fractran': Fractran is the most rational programming language.
01:18:51 <shachaf> `slwd fractran//s.Fractran.FRACTRAN.
01:18:53 <HackEgo> fractran//FRACTRAN is the most rational programming language.
01:19:05 <shachaf> Cale: Are you going to Compose?
01:19:20 <shachaf> Unfortunately I won't be going.
01:20:28 <Cale> It's actually kind of ridiculous, I was just down in NYC a couple weeks ago, and now I'm flying down again. Probably could have thought this out better.
01:20:44 <shachaf> It's a short flight, isn't it?
01:20:56 <Cale> It's not so bad
01:20:59 <shachaf> Oh, but you have to go through US customs and all that.
01:21:19 <shachaf> Maybe just move to NY then?
01:21:26 <Cale> hah, we'll see
01:21:40 <shachaf> Actually you could move to CA while you're at it.
01:23:31 <zzo38> Do you know how to help with collaboration of TAVERN?
01:24:04 <shachaf> Cale: The keynote talk looks pretty good.
01:24:07 <Cale> I could go live with my sister and uncle up in the Yukon -- only then I'd *really* be paying for Internet service.
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01:35:00 <shachaf> You could move to Ontario, CA
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02:34:50 <shachaf> Cale: Ah, Tikhon will be there too.
02:34:56 <shachaf> The person you don't know, I guess.
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02:41:31 <shachaf> oerjan: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/599092525/the-order-of-the-stick-reprint-drive/posts/1886231 hth
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04:02:42 <JX7P> I am trying to define a CMake define on the command line with -DOOPS_VERINFO="Oopsilon Development: date goes here"
04:03:00 <JX7P> but CMake thinks this is: "Oopsilon
04:03:07 <JX7P> is there some way of making it get the full string?
04:06:21 <oerjan> hm that makes no sense in a unixy shell, are you using windows?
04:06:53 <JX7P> i'm using both windows and linux to try this
04:07:02 <JX7P> in what way makes it no sense in a unixy shell?
04:07:16 <oerjan> because the shell wouldn't pass on the "
04:07:58 <JX7P> it should do given I escape it in the little script that invokes cmake for me
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04:08:27 <JX7P> i.e. CMAKEOPTS="-DOOPS_VERINFO=\"whatever\""
04:08:42 <JX7P> and CMake picks up the ", too: hence "Oopsilon
04:10:25 <JX7P> i can't find any record online of anyone trying to pass strings with spaces in them to cmake -D option so I fear it might outright not be able to handle that case
04:10:52 <oerjan> what does the line that passes CMAKEOPTS to cmake look like?
04:12:03 <JX7P> ${SCAN_BUILD} cmake "${cmake_opts}" ${src_root}
04:12:52 <JX7P> removing the quotation marks also results in it not working
04:13:02 <oerjan> which quotation marks?
04:13:10 <JX7P> the ones around ${cmake_opts}
04:13:57 <oerjan> you've given inconsistent information, which tells me you are not quoting lines literally.
04:14:02 <JX7P> you're right though: i tried doing this by manual invocation of cmake form the shell with -DOOPS_VERINFO="blah blah blah" and it worked, so something very odd is happening indeed
04:14:22 <oerjan> please tell me the relevant lines _exactly_.
04:14:29 <JX7P> the full script is: http://vpaste.net/up9MT
04:14:49 <JX7P> (though i've tried various permutations of all the stuff in there to no avail)
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04:16:48 <JX7P> i suspect it's possible sh wants me to quote something, or not quote something else, it's a hellish beast
04:19:02 <oerjan> try cmake $(echo ${cmake_opts})
04:20:40 <JX7P> unfortunately that didn't work
04:20:43 <JX7P> has same results
04:21:22 <shachaf> switch from cmake to bazel hth
04:22:00 <JX7P> i spent too much time changing build systems
04:22:00 <oerjan> or echo "${cmake_opts}", although i don't see why that should differ.
04:22:22 <JX7P> cmake mostly just works, indeed, it seems that what happened here wasn't cmake but rather the weirdness of sh
04:22:40 <JX7P> oerjan: no change
04:22:47 <oerjan> `` abc=test; echo $(echo "$abc")
04:23:20 <JX7P> that produces test on my shell
04:23:28 <JX7P> (both bash and ksh do this)
04:24:09 <JX7P> inserting an echo "${cmake_opts}" into the script produces -DOOPS_VERINFO:STRING="Oopsilon Development: Tue 16 May 2017 04:21:35 DST" <- which looks right, but somehow it isn't what cmake is getting
04:26:39 <oerjan> ok. try eval cmake "${cmake_opts}"
04:28:10 <JX7P> (with cmake_opts containing -DOOPS_VERINFO=\"${VERINFO}\" in case anyone else wants to write shell scripts to invoke cmake for them
04:28:16 <oerjan> eval manages to get rid of the " without splitting the arguments.
04:28:30 <JX7P> cheers for your help oerjan, sorry if I seemed rash at first, i've had a busy night
04:29:38 <zzo38> I thought I could to try to make up a format to enable using filters/encoders/decoders that use farbfeld so that can be use in many other program too (such as GIMP and whatever else), including using GUI forms and whatever. The command-line programs themself are not altered at all; only another file is used to tell them how to enable their use as plugins.
04:30:03 <JX7P> i noticed also that putting -DOOPS_VERINFO="${VERINFO}" directly into the cmake invocation in the script worked. but because I was in the "try weird things to see what happens" mindset I didn't think of the fact that I could have just used that (it isn't what i *really* wanted; i don't want OOPS_VERINFO to have special handling; but it's moot now that eval seems to be the magic trick)
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05:10:28 <zzo38> If making up the pokemon game one kind of rule can be that although all of your own pokemons are limited to level 100 all opposing trainers have all pokemons level 255 instead.
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05:47:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Braingolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51909&oldid=51883 * Quintopia * (+722) Add undocumented (here) commands to wiki article. Some explanation of behavior is still missing.
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07:30:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Numeriqueue]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51910 * Zzo38 * (+1542) Created page with "[[Category:Languages]][[Category:Unimplemented]][[Category:2017]] [[Numeriqueue]] is a esolang based on [[Call Queue]]. The program consists of a set of functions, which can..."
07:30:58 <zzo38> Do you like this? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numeriqueue If it is no good then I can fix it.
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11:43:15 <HackEgo> do//Do or do not, there is no try.
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14:06:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Braingolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51911&oldid=51909 * Mayube * (+8) /* Quine */
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16:31:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51912&oldid=44993 * Zzo38 * (+240)
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16:46:17 <zzo38> Now it seem icanhazip is a CloudFlare service and so requires a valid Host header. If you use curl it still works though.
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16:48:20 <wob_jonas> `pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/splitting-up/
16:48:38 <HackEgo> pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/splitting-up/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas
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17:13:16 <HackEgo> 1114) <Phantom_Hoover> i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
17:13:20 <HackEgo> umlaut//Umlaut is German for "hum aloud", an important feature of the German language. It is indicated by putting two dots over the vowel of the syllable.
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17:51:24 <int-e> . o O ( hurray up folks, there's p(h)un to be had! )
17:53:03 <HackEgo> 1/2:intellectual property//Intellectual property is either the plot of land where a university campus is or otherwise a property which gives something an intellectual air or appearance. \ mnoqy//mnoqy used to be monqy before the earthquake. \ sense//Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei. \
17:53:09 <HackEgo> 2/2:source//Sources for HackEgo can be found at https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox \ numbers//Numbers: 0, 848, 1344, 1696, 1969, 2192, _, 2544, 2688, 2817, _, 3040, _, _, 3313, 3392, ...
17:54:00 <shachaf> those numbers are not very representative tdnh
17:54:41 <int-e> well all the digits are there
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18:18:52 <kerbal> Hi! I'm working on an esoteric programming language and I thought that I would ask the #esoteric community for feedback.
18:19:12 <HackEgo> Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei.
18:19:38 <HackEgo> kerbal: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
18:20:02 <kerbal> HackEgo: Thanks! Glad to be here
18:21:20 <kerbal> The language that I am working on is called Integ. The only data type in Integ is the integer; the only storage is a long, variable-length array of integers.
18:21:43 <kerbal> The only operators implemented so far are }x, the read operator which reads array location x; {xy, the write operator which writes y at location x (and that also declares and initializes to 0 new positions of the array up to the requested location if needed); and ]x, which prints the character whose numerical value is x.
18:21:56 <kerbal> I plan to add +, -, *, and /, the arithmetic operators.
18:22:10 <kerbal> Any suggestions for features? I want this to be really low-level while still being complete
18:23:13 <kerbal> One implementation of Hello, World: {(0)(72)](}(0)){(0)(69)](}(0)) {(0)(76)](}(0)){(0)(76)](}(0)) {(0)(79)](}(0)){(0)(32)](}(0)) {(0)(119)](}(0)){(0)(79)](}(0)) {(0)(114)](}(0)){(0)(76)](}(0)) {(0)(100)](}(0))
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18:25:23 <kerbal> (oh, and the parentheses are used to separate statements)
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18:29:22 <wob_jonas> kerbal: wait, you notate read with } and write with { ? that's so backwards
18:29:46 <kerbal> Well, } points at the address, and { points away from it
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18:30:41 <kerbal> Yeah, you're right... I've got it backwards
18:31:10 <kerbal> Probably need to fix that
18:34:42 <kerbal> Corrected Hello World: }(0)(72)]({(0))}(0)(69)]({(0)) }(0)(76)]({(0))}(0)(76)]({(0)) }(0)(79)]({(0))}(0)(32)]({(0)) }(0)(119)]({(0))}(0)(79)]({(0)) }(0)(114)]({(0))}(0)(76)]({(0)) }(0)(100)]({(0))
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18:42:09 <kerbal> Also just implemented + and -
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18:45:52 <wob_jonas> kerbal: so what's unique in this language?
18:49:21 <kerbal> Well, I don't know if this is unique, exactly, but the array holding the integers starts at 0 members and can be expanded dynamically. Furthermore, if you have, for instance, only used the address 0 but you want to write to address 10, the language will automatically declare and initialize 1-9 to 0 for you, and will set 10 to whatever you specified.
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19:03:52 <wob_jonas> you have an infinite memory initialized with all zeros. ok. does this language have any sort of looping or flow control? does it have unique features that you haven't mentioned yet? and what sort of integers are these even, and where does the division round to and what happens on a division by zero?
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19:11:52 <kerbal> wob_jonas: The language has no looping or flow control yet. I haven't added any other unique features; I assume that the integers are arbitrary precision, as the interpreter uses Python. The division rounds down; the interpreter catches division by zero errors.
19:12:21 <kerbal> (Sorry, I'm new to language design)
19:13:32 <wob_jonas> and you have no indirect addressing yet, so this is just potentially infinite registers? or maybe I don't understand how this works
19:13:58 <wob_jonas> wait, } and { are operators, not statements, so you do have indirect
19:14:46 <kerbal> Yep... }, {, +, -, *, /, and ] are all operators
19:16:33 <kerbal> I don't know whether or not () would be considered an operator... () is an operator in C, and my () functions like the C version, but I don't treat () like other operators under the hood
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20:49:51 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnzSGSDhbqg
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21:06:40 <wob_jonas> has he been here or should we relcome him?
21:06:52 <HackEgo> aRaging: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
21:07:08 <shachaf> You should not relcome someone who isn't in the channel.
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23:18:25 <LKoen> G O O D N I G H T O P I A
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23:19:15 <\oren\> ｙｏｕ ｐｅｏｐｌｅ ｆａｉｌ． Ｕｓｅ ｐｒｏｐｅｒ ｗｉｄｅ ｌｅｔｔｅｒｓ
23:19:36 <boily> ｑ ｕ ｉ ｎ ｔ ｅ ｌ ｌ ｏ ｐ ｉ ａ ！
23:21:38 <boily> hellorkin. you've stumbled on an æsthetics ritual hth
23:22:00 <Zarutian> god fracking damn it! I thought the widespacing disease was confined to the web and brouchers
23:23:11 <boily> Z a r u t e l l o n ! d o n ' t w o r r y , i t h a s p r o p e r l y s p r e a d e v e r y w h e r e l i k e a n æ t h e r e a l t o a s t .
23:24:16 <Zarutian> ya probably set your tab spacing to 16 spaces per tab character or some such
23:26:55 <\oren\> ｗｉｄｅ ｃｈａｒａｃｔｅｒｓ ｗｉｌｌ ｒｕｌｅ ｔｈｅ ｗｈｏｌｅ ｕｎｉｖｅｒｓｅ
23:27:17 <\oren\> ｂｙ ｃｒｕｓｈｉｎｇ ｙｏｕｒ ｐｕｎｙ ｎａｒｒｏｗ ｌｅｔｔｅｒｓ
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23:31:15 * boily mapoles \oren\. you are being insane. please be sane, like I am.
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23:32:44 <kerbal> progress report on Integ
23:33:07 <kerbal> I added 1-char input and a conditional operator
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23:41:31 <quintopia> boily: do the quebecois mostly still remember louis cyr?
23:42:37 <boily> there was a 2013 movie about him: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Cyr_:_L%27homme_le_plus_fort_du_monde
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23:48:46 <quintopia> how much thought was he given before the movie?
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23:49:30 <boily> background folk figure, but not much, I guess.
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23:55:01 <boily> except a spontaneous light edit session of the Wisdom PDF...
23:57:35 <quintopia> is there anything you have told yourself you would code given more time and energy?