00:00:44 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:01:22 oerjan: you dont like that drink? emo-ji? 00:03:38 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:04:14 <\oren\> oerjan: 😟 but why? 00:05:15 because not caring is my default, i guess? 00:06:04 <\oren\> CNN is being imbecilic as usual 00:06:16 <\oren\> "Team Emoji (aka the Unicode Consortium) has approved some well-recieved updates to the visual lexicon we've all come to love. " 00:11:53 <\oren\> "One of the most recent updates included black hearts and a unicorn, and they also got rid of the gun emoji in favor of a much less threatening water gun version." 00:11:59 <\oren\> the unicode consortium actually disapproved of apple changing it to a wter gun 00:12:04 <\oren\> but CNN wouldn't know that since they're all idiots who buy overpriced pieces of shit from apple 00:28:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:28:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 00:28:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:36:05 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 00:57:33 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:01:12 -!- tromp has joined. 01:05:26 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:32:34 `3 w 01:32:50 3/1: 01:32:53 `3 w 01:32:57 1/1:protocol//Protocol is not to be confused with protocoal. \ pastry//A pastry is a sugary confectionery that is customarily eaten after writing an essay. \ typoerjan//typoerjan is oerjan's clumsy twin. 01:33:36 How many twins does oerjan have? 01:33:45 <\oren\> プロトコール 01:34:29 <\oren\> `grwp twin 01:34:30 ​*:Twinkle, twinkle, little star! \ ☾_:☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. \ c#:C Pound is Java's good twin. \ myname:myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother. \ orin:orin is oren's evil twi 01:35:00 <\oren\> `1 grwp twin 01:35:02 1/4:*:Twinkle, twinkle, little star! \ ☾_:☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. \ c#:C Pound is Java's good twin. \ myname:myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother. \ orin:orin is oren 01:35:08 <\oren\> `spam 01:35:09 2/4:'s evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line. \ örjan:Örjan is the diæresed twin. He will punctuate your vöẅëls, and maybe a few other unsuspecting letters. \ ørjan:Your pal Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers wi 01:35:10 * oerjan points at `2 01:35:15 <\oren\> `spam 01:35:16 3/4:thout noticing it. \ pico:pico is the useless twin of nano. \ sewerjan:sewerjan is oerjan's extremely poor twin. \ twint-e:twint-e is int-e's stupid twin. He sometimes hijacks int-e's keyboard and spouts nonsense. \ typoerjan:typoerjan is oerjan's clumsy twin. \ אrjan:אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with 01:35:21 <\oren\> `spam 01:35:22 4/4:the ZFC axioms. 01:36:12 methinks pointing may not be enough to get your point across hth 01:36:13 so at least 5, but likely uncountably many. 01:36:24 `help `2 01:36:26 ​`2 is equivalent to `1 , except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1. 01:36:58 `help `help 01:36:59 ​``help? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:37:05 tdnh 01:37:16 <\oren\> `help `spam 01:37:17 ​`spam prints the nth output piece of the previous `1, `2, `4, `5, sport or spore command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n. 01:38:27 `learn `help [] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom. 01:38:31 Learned '`help': `help [] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom. 01:38:37 > reverse "spam" 01:38:39 "maps" 01:40:25 `? help 01:40:26 Help is on the way. We don't know where the way is, though. You might try `help instead. 01:40:51 if you had left off the ` you would have got this, but the stripping only goes one level. 01:41:09 *gotten 01:41:46 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 01:42:04 this is not going to interact well with the `` / ```distinction. 01:42:11 *+ 01:42:47 hm... 01:43:04 hmm.. I recall way back when that one could 'ride' an google spider (or crawler). How does one do that now days? 01:43:05 possibly it should only add the ` if there isn't one already. 01:43:08 `cat bin/help 01:43:09 ​\? '`'"$1" 01:43:50 `cat bin/? 01:43:50 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^`\(`\|$\)//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic 01:45:49 `mkx bin/help//\? "$(echo "$1" | sed 's/^[^`]/`&/')" 01:45:51 bin/help 01:45:58 `help `` 01:45:59 ​` is the prefix to greatness. 01:46:07 `help `` 01:46:08 ​` is the prefix to greatness. 01:46:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:46:13 `help ``` 01:46:14 ​```? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:46:19 `help help 01:46:21 ​`help [] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom. 01:46:32 `help `help 01:46:34 ​`help [] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom. 01:47:15 [wiki] [[DROL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51955&oldid=50443 * BradleySadowsky * (+835) Updated commands table 01:47:45 `help run 01:47:46 ​`run is HackEgo's builtin for running a command with full shell syntax. These days most use the user-made `` or ``` shortcuts instead, although all of the three have subtle differences, with `run being the most plain option (also, unlike the rest it cannot be called from other commands.) 01:48:28 * oerjan feels lazy 01:52:50 `` mv wisdom/sss{,s} <-- * points to `whoops 01:53:01 `help whoops 01:53:02 whoops is a repluralizer. 01:53:12 hm... 01:53:15 helloerjan 01:53:25 `cat bin/whoops 01:53:25 OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»" 01:53:35 `cat wisdom/whoops 01:53:35 whoops is a repluralizer. 01:54:00 `` mv wisdom/{,\`}whoops 01:54:02 No output. 01:54:28 `slwd `whoops//s/^/`/ 01:54:30 ​`whoops//`whoops is a repluralizer. 01:54:45 hellopia 01:54:53 finally 01:55:02 took u long enuf 01:55:06 ;P 01:55:16 WAS BIZY 01:55:25 clearly 01:56:38 * Zarutian found an equiv to what he was searching for. 01:56:48 and I came across https://thefo.nz/ 01:57:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:00:23 -!- idris-bot has joined. 02:00:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:01:23 [wiki] [[DROL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51956&oldid=51955 * BradleySadowsky * (+39) Fixed examples to work with DROL 2.0 02:01:31 ok now even b_jonas is on PPCG. 02:02:10 while here he's 21 days idle? 02:02:50 what is PPCG? 02:04:54 https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ 02:17:19 -!- tromp has joined. 02:21:20 int-e: Adenian, Cytosian, Guanian un Thymian <-- in case it's not obvious, that's from DNA bases hth 02:22:35 from thymus, apparently 02:23:29 -!- sleffy has joined. 02:26:09 oerjan: ? 02:27:36 shachaf: thymine is from thymus, the gland. which looks like it _might_ be cognate to thyme the plant, the words were also similar back in ancient greek. 02:27:46 -!- erkin has joined. 02:28:32 but wiktionary is missing an etnry for the latter. 02:28:37 *nt 02:33:54 cognate to dew and dust 02:37:07 Ah. 02:41:22 bad luck <-- you could have used `n 02:41:29 `3 w 02:41:40 3/1: 02:41:43 `n 02:41:45 1/1:winter//Winter is coming. 02:44:02 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:44:22 -!- erkin has joined. 02:47:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:52:56 -!- Zarutian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:54:38 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:01:54 oerjan: Maybe `n should saturate. 03:02:14 Or take the value mod n, rather, to fit the wrapping behavior. 03:05:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:06:50 what does "saturate" mean? 03:06:54 `cat bin/spam 03:06:55 line="${1-$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(awk 'END{print NR}' /hackenv/tmp/spout)"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line /hackenv/tmp/spline 03:07:46 I mean stop at the largest number available. 03:08:16 well the current behavior seems more useful. 03:08:31 Because it's buggy? 03:10:17 the bugginess really only shows up with `3, which isn't intended to be sane. 03:14:50 in fact fixing it would sort of ruin `3. 03:24:09 -!- tromp has joined. 03:29:56 Hello now I am back again. 03:31:08 `welcome zzo38 03:31:10 zzo38: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 03:34:14 I have played a GURPS game again today. Domag is still injured but I have made up some spell and then if it is considered as suitable and if later my character is know such spell, may help a bit. 03:36:21 <\oren\> 😤 was the hardest emoji to draw 03:37:05 Which one is it? (It is not display on here) 03:39:27 <\oren\> the one "FACE WITH LOOK OF TRIUMPH" which is a face breathing out steam from its nostrils 03:39:41 OK 03:40:31 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:43:10 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:46:47 -!- tromp has joined. 03:54:38 [wiki] [[Stack Up]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51957&oldid=47200 * Qwertyu63 * (+9) 03:55:47 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:02:33 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:09:49 -!- tromp has joined. 04:52:20 [wiki] [[Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51958&oldid=51391 * Qwertyu63 * (+1566) 04:57:10 [wiki] [[Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51959&oldid=51958 * Qwertyu63 * (+66) 05:11:25 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 05:19:32 Do you like IMIDI and TVMIDI? 05:20:48 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:26:57 [wiki] [[Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51960&oldid=51959 * Qwertyu63 * (+219) 05:28:35 [wiki] [[Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51961&oldid=51960 * Qwertyu63 * (+28) 05:29:11 [wiki] [[Emoji-gramming]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51962&oldid=51961 * Qwertyu63 * (+6) 05:40:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:40:12 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:43:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:59:12 Although my shield got hit a few times in this GURPS game, it has not once gotten damaged (yet). 06:01:18 -!- sleffy has joined. 06:14:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:21:18 -!- tromp has joined. 06:25:27 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:41:02 Do you like the plan I made in GURPS game (and it worked)? I went to fly up on top of the mountain where the temple is embedded in, and there is a hole with smoke on top so we put tree branches to block the smoke. Now everyone in the temple had to escape, and then tell them why there is the smoke so they went up to remove them, but it takes them a day to get up and down by walking (by flying it takes only an hour), so I was able to get in without b 07:01:39 -!- augur has joined. 07:04:34 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:36:34 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:55:11 <\oren\> Argh, I have to redraw like 30 characters because their CJKwidth changed 07:57:02 That is one of the problems with Unicode, so make it with non-Unicode maybe 07:58:31 . o O ( somehow zzo38's solutions always seem worse than the problem they're trying to solve ) 08:01:39 That is because you forgot how to Keep It Simple and Stupid. 08:03:20 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 08:04:12 KISaS? 08:04:22 i,i Keep It Simple as a Service 08:12:29 `? ransomware 08:12:36 ransomware? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 08:13:21 . o O ( Most ransomware is just Encryption as a Service, why are people so upset? 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I think I've neglected the Burlesque shell. 17:05:47 -!- Zarutian has joined. 17:07:20 -!- sleffy has joined. 17:09:27 good morning everyone! 17:11:24 -!- mroman has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:25:00 [wiki] [[Talk:Mascarpone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51963&oldid=37282 * Challenger5 * (+178) 17:25:39 [wiki] [[Talk:Mascarpone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51964&oldid=51963 * Challenger5 * (+131) 17:26:43 [wiki] [[Mascarpone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51965&oldid=35009 * Challenger5 * (-12) 17:27:08 arent we all super positive today, ya misarable frackers? 17:27:18 [wiki] [[Mascarpone]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51966&oldid=51965 * Challenger5 * (+0) 17:48:42 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 17:56:11 http://mypy-lang.org/ 17:57:15 the typescript of python? 18:07:02 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:14:24 -!- jaboja has joined. 18:17:07 -!- Zarutian has joined. 18:28:29 -!- tromp has joined. 18:33:14 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:45:31 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:48:03 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:48:09 "<\oren\> well anyway, the new version of my font is the first where the ttf did not need to be put through fontforge" => nice, congrats! 18:49:32 you should probably ungreen some of the older changes though 18:51:47 -!- mroman has joined. 18:51:51 int-e: why? 18:51:56 and what do you mean 18:51:58 is she dead? 18:54:00 I don't understand. Why would you need `3 and similar commands? Just make `2 save the full output to the buffer so you can use `spam after it 18:54:01 I mean, 18:54:04 `? `2 18:54:06 ​`2 is equivalent to `1 , except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1. 18:54:15 that makes sense, you use it if you forgot to use `1 18:54:30 but if you use `2 , it could just save the rest of the text 18:54:38 `? `spam 18:54:39 ​`spam prints the nth output piece of the previous `1, `2, `4, `5, sport or spore command. n defaults to the next piece to display. Abbreviation: `n. 18:54:48 `? `n 18:54:49 ​`n? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:57:30 " ok now even b_jonas is on PPCG." => I rarely go there because it seems like the rules for how they accept input and output in golf problems is so vague you can never tell how to optimize golf 18:59:51 "<\oren\> Argh, I have to redraw like 30 characters because their CJKwidth changed" => which 30? 19:04:10 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:15:44 -!- erkin has joined. 19:16:06 mroman: the VM I had it on is gone (I cancelled the contract) and somehow I haven't set it up anywhere else yet though I meant to 19:16:57 I wish I'd document this stuff better. 19:18:31 you could also run the IRC bot :D 19:24:05 well, let's see if I can make it work again 19:29:28 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:29:51 -!- erkin has joined. 19:30:50 <\oren\> OH GOD AAAAAAAAA 19:31:06 <\oren\> I just had the most horrifying realization 19:31:37 <\oren\> Himouto Umaru-chan is basically Garfield! 19:31:56 *shrug* 19:33:04 so, same joke every day? 19:39:15 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:41:06 well at least I still have the authorized keys file and the cgi executable. 19:41:07 This book of art of computer program is also described "median algebra", so now I know how that is working, too. 19:41:53 fungot, what TV series do you watch? 19:41:53 wob_jonas: boobies and a bra. but there is 19:42:00 good answer 19:49:26 I didn't know fungot was into that kind of series 19:49:26 FireFly: while walking back i realized i can make an info manual with just `makeinfo scheme48.texi`, or `texi2dvi scheme48.texi`, &c. write is the dual of multiple parameters. 19:51:35 <\oren\> int-e: the main character is an orange, lazy creature that watched tv and eats junk food and is taken care of by a feckless dude 19:53:10 I'm still laughing on the bug where GNU has managed to mess up the rendering of their own fricking licenses to meaningless with their own texinfo software. 19:53:15 It's just so ironic. 19:53:35 I hope they'll fix the bug though. 19:54:07 <\oren\> wut bug? link? 19:54:24 \oren\: a moment 19:55:56 <\oren\> the ones I've widened or redrawn so far: ☔☕ ♈♉♊♋♌♍♎♏♐♑♒♓ 19:56:14 \oren\: they don't have a public bug tracker, so http://dpaste.com/17TZ178 20:03:46 mroman: okay, it should work again now 20:05:18 setup is a bit different than before, and it's sharing lambdabot's host now, let's see how that works out. 20:06:18 But heh, it's sandboxed and gets no network access. 20:07:20 int-e: is there an instance inside lambdabot? 20:07:39 instance? 20:08:12 like, an executable inside lambdabot that interprets whatever the name is of that language 20:08:14 mroman: anyway, no I don't want to run another IRC bot. 20:08:23 no, there is no such thing 20:08:30 ah sorry 20:08:30 :) 20:08:33 I mean in HackEgo 20:08:36 not in lambdabot 20:08:41 is there an instance in HackEgo? 20:08:51 `burlesque 2 3 20:08:52 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: burlesque: not found 20:08:56 `blsq 2 3 20:08:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blsq: not found 20:09:00 `! blsq 2 3 20:09:01 ​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/blsq: not found 20:09:04 `! burlesque 2 3 20:09:05 ​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/burlesque: not found 20:09:09 I don't think there's blsq installed 20:09:18 `` find ibin -iname *squ* 20:09:18 No output. 20:09:21 `` find ibin -iname *sq* 20:09:22 No output. 20:13:05 should I add anything to this list, hmm: unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC | CLONE_NEWNET | CLONE_NEWNS) 20:18:55 Well I'm still quite happy with that selection. (FS access is restricted in the old fashioned way, using a chroot jail.) 20:19:45 chroot is basically the old mechanism for back when they didn't have mount namespaces 20:19:56 funnily, there's also a mechanism between, pivotroot 20:20:57 pivotroot is quite cute 20:21:22 I gather it was invented for initrds. 20:21:45 yes, from before there were general mechanisms like fs namespaces and bind mounts and move mounts 20:23:21 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:29:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:29:41 -!- tromp has joined. 20:32:08 How much do you expect a "two-pass-deflate" algorithm working? I would expect that by itself it might not help as much, but I have not tried it and I do not know. 20:34:04 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:34:54 zzo38: I dunno. 20:35:33 zzo38: if you want a practical advice, I hear 7z implements decent gzip/pkzip compression, you could try that if you have to use deflate 20:36:00 When making ZIP archives I do use 7z. 20:37:07 This two-pass-deflate can't make the compression worse than a single pass, because the alterations made are only those which do not result in taking more bits to encode data than the first pass. 20:37:10 Doesn't zopfli use a large number of passes? 20:37:35 I don't know how zopfli works 20:37:50 Fairly complicated stuff. 20:38:55 With PNG, there is also filter selection, and optionally lossy coding. So you can add into the third pass, which will do filter selection based on what gives best results based on whether or not it would improve the results of the first approximation. 20:41:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:41:46 zzo38: how about when making gz archives? 20:42:37 I did look at the codes for LodePNG, and by experiment have found that different settings work better for different pictures. 20:43:01 wob_jonas: I generally am just using gzip then, which supports acting as a filter. 20:43:55 I tried to install a 7z executable to HackEgo once, mostly for extracting `fetched archives, but failed for some reason. 20:51:27 -!- nullcone has joined. 20:53:28 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:54:54 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:55:17 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:04:35 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:04:55 I look at "encodeLZ77" implementation in LodePNG, and look like some settings (maxchainlength, maxlazymatch) you cannot alter them directly. 21:06:35 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:12:22 What might improve the PNG compression I think is for the filter selection and LZ77 and Huffman to be all done together rather than being separate subroutines. 21:13:00 Optional lossy compression can then be added to this set of stuff too. 21:14:37 -!- iaglium has joined. 21:16:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:16:47 Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+3 21:18:04 Do you like this sentence? 21:18:35 OK 21:19:40 Now you can make the complaint and question and so on of the writing of this story too. 21:22:34 I haven't read the writing of the story. 21:23:14 (Ziveruskex does not like to use magic/psychic healing potions/spells (on himself) (if it is healing hit points and fatigue points), but using with someone else, or using nonmagical methods, or using magic healing that heals only disease and not injury, and so on, is OK) 21:24:19 I'm satisfied with ImageMagick's png encoder. It's tunable with multiple parameters, so I have a choice between slow compression and slower compression with smaller output. (It can also do uncompressed.) The color depth is also a tunable. 21:24:56 is there any point in trying lossy png compression? 21:25:16 (I suspect not, but I wonder whether it has been tried) 21:25:50 int-e: sure. like I said multiple times, converting a true color image to paletted and then making paletted png is already a form of lossy png compression. 21:25:59 first hit https://pngquant.org/ 21:26:08 paletted png works really well for me, for some images. 21:26:34 OK. LodePNG also has some options and I have added all of those options into ffpng. Some settings work better than others for some pictures, although as I have said there are some ideas I had that it just doesn't do. 21:27:02 int-e: interesting 21:27:44 My idea includes multiple passes as well as combining all of the stuff together; the API is too coarse to do this through the API. 21:28:50 int-e: that looks interesting, because it has its own palette finder 21:28:54 wob_jonas: though that really seems about picking a color palette... what I had in mind was rounding colors without using a palette. 21:28:56 thanks for the link 21:29:11 int-e: yes, but picking a good palette is a hard problem that I'd like to have software for 21:29:30 yes it is 21:29:40 (With default settings, LodePNG will automatically determine whether or not to use a palette and whether or not to use alpha and whether or not to use 16-bits-per-channel and so on.) 21:30:07 wob_jonas: You are correct, and I started such a program but it currently is not very good and anyone who can improve to please to do so. 21:35:13 -!- Mayoi has joined. 21:36:01 -!- Mayoi has quit (Client Quit). 21:51:53 LodePNG also does not allow to set window sizes that are half way between two consecutive powers of two. 21:54:55 um, window sizes for what? the deflate backreferences? 21:54:59 is that even valid? 21:55:15 I don't think deflate can do that 21:58:24 Yes, I do mean for the backreferences. The encoder can easily use any window size up to 32768 in order to figure out the backreferences, although LodePNG only allows powers of two. Window sizes that are half way between two consecutive powers of two might be useful settings too though 22:05:58 -!- iovoid has changed nick to IOVOID. 22:19:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:24:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:36:18 -!- mroman has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:40:24 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 22:41:15 -!- IOVOID has changed nick to iovoid. 22:42:04 I seem to remember that there's some sort of continuationy function that corresponds to the Law of Excluded Middle under Curry-Howard 22:42:16 The same way call/cc corresponds to Peirce's Law 22:42:37 Yes, there is, as I have figured out too 22:42:57 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:44:34 lemCC :: ContT r m (Either a (a -> ContT r m b)); lemCC = callCC (return . Right . (<=< return . 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