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00:29:24 <zzo38> Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=PNG+compression
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01:34:23 <zzo38> Why don't you like this? If there is mistake, please to fix it.
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01:47:41 <boily> `w
01:47:43 <HackEgo> footnote 8//Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes⁺?
01:47:58 <boily> `` ls wisdom/foot*
01:47:59 <HackEgo> wisdom/football \ wisdom/footnote 1 \ wisdom/footnote 8
01:56:00 <zzo38> Did you read all of the foot notes of level20.tex yet?
01:57:45 <boily> >_>'...
02:01:09 <zzo38> Which is what?
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02:02:49 <boily> it's on the list of things I should have had will be done since long ago.
02:04:23 <zzo38> Then maybe you should do some of the such things that have not yet been done.
02:06:43 <boily> hence the “>_>'”.
02:06:58 <zzo38> There is even the Article in All The Tropes wiki about Footnote Fever.
02:07:10 <zzo38> And I also have put it into my user page too.
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02:14:04 <boily> random question: do the letters zzo and the number 38 mean anything in particular?
02:15:12 <zzo38> I don't quite remember, but as far as I know it does not.
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02:22:50 <zzo38> Even though sometimes the name of my GURPS character "Ziveruskex" is abbreviation as "Ziv" but it is no relation to Lempel-Ziv, even though it is almost the same name; the name was made up at random and I was not thinking of any other name like "Ziv" when I had done so. I did not even make up the abbreviation myself, GM did so.
02:24:51 <zzo38> The way to enter the temple without being stopped by the priests, can be by covering the hole with the smoke by tree branches, so that they will have to get out and to remove the trees.
02:26:12 <zzo38> Do you ever play Dungeons&Dragons game and GURPS game?
02:27:58 <boily> I haven't dnded in a long time! But some coworkers and I are planning a 3.5e campaign.
02:28:09 <zzo38> What campaign is that?
02:28:28 <boily> no idea, the DM is currently fleshing it out.
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02:30:19 <boily> `relcome Esoman
02:30:22 <HackEgo> Esoman: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
02:30:48 <Esoman> Any humans here?
02:31:05 <boily> I think I'm human, at least last time I checked.
02:31:21 <Esoman> Cool
02:31:56 <Esoman> Is there a list of ideas for programming languages?
02:32:10 <zzo38> Yes, I also human but I play monster character on D&D and GURPS game.
02:32:18 <zzo38> And yes there is a list of ideas, see on esolang wiki!
02:32:37 <zzo38> (You can even add your own if you have some too)
02:32:55 <Esoman> Oh, found it
02:33:17 <zzo38> Good.
02:34:03 <oerjan> @tell wob_jonas <wob_jonas> I don't understand. Why would you need `3 and similar commands? <-- `3 is a joke command i made because `2 and `4 do entirely different things. `2 already behaves as you suggest.
02:34:03 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:36:24 <boily> hellørjan. bonnerjanne nuit!
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02:36:38 <oerjan> eek
02:39:42 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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02:53:42 <zzo38> Is SQLite compatible with MMIX?
02:54:24 <shachaf> Why would it be incompatible?
02:55:41 <shachaf> `? `1
02:55:42 <HackEgo> ​`1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4.
02:56:01 <shachaf> `? `2
02:56:02 <HackEgo> ​`2 <cmd> is equivalent to `1 <cmd>, except that it starts displaying the _second_ output piece. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `1.
02:56:09 <shachaf> `? `3
02:56:11 <HackEgo> ​`3 is the obvious generalization of `2 or `4, trying too hard to please everyone.
02:56:18 <shachaf> `? `4
02:56:19 <HackEgo> ​`4 <cmd> is equivalent to `5 <cmd>, except that it only repeats 4 times. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `5.
02:56:30 <shachaf> `? `5
02:56:32 <HackEgo> ​`5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. <cmd> defaults to "quote". See `1 and `4. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
02:57:39 <zzo38> shachaf: I wouldn't know why. I have not tried.
02:58:23 <shachaf> `slwd `3//s[please[confuse[
02:58:26 <HackEgo> ​`3//`3 is the obvious generalization of `2 or `4, trying too hard to confuse everyone.
03:01:05 <shachaf> `4 w
03:01:10 <HackEgo> 1/3:prooftechnique//prooftechnique né NihilistDandy: He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) He is inevitably on a mathematical descent. \ ^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and
03:01:20 <shachaf> `n
03:01:21 <HackEgo> 2/3: (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. \ webcarting//webcarting is not dissimilar to Mario Kart, but uses real, remote-controlled go-karts. Participants describe it as "the outlandish spectacle of real go-karting combined with the thrill and immersion of Mario Kart". \ macedonia//Macedonia
03:01:23 <shachaf> `n
03:01:24 <HackEgo> 3/3: is a country of which the United Nations denies the existence, just like Taiwan is.
03:02:09 <shachaf> `w
03:02:10 <HackEgo> unicide//Unicide is when people can't read your suicide note because they lack the proper font.
03:02:46 <shachaf> `forget unicide
03:02:48 <HackEgo> Forget what?
03:03:18 <oerjan> <zzo38> This book of art of computer program is also described "median algebra", so now I know how that is working, too. <-- median algebras are cool. i cowrote a paper involving them once, but it was rejected.
03:03:42 <shachaf> I bet Ørjan's never had a paper rejected.
03:03:56 <oerjan> figures, that sneaky bastard
03:04:56 <shachaf> i,i http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0287.html
03:04:57 <Esoman> I'm trying to create the ultimate programming language. Any protips?
03:05:25 <shachaf> Esoman: If there are any people who are pros in creating the ultimate programming language, your efforts are already doomed. Hope that helps.
03:06:47 <oerjan> `slwd `5//s: and `4:, `4 and `spam:
03:06:49 <HackEgo> ​`5//`5 <cmd> is equivalent to repeating `` <cmd> 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. <cmd> defaults to "quote". See `1, `4 and `spam. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2.
03:06:56 <zzo38> I think is not possible making ultimate programming language.
03:07:38 <shachaf> `? `1
03:07:39 <HackEgo> ​`1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4.
03:07:51 <zzo38> oerjan: Did you still make it available even though it is rejected?
03:07:51 <shachaf> is oerjan going to fix the inconsistency or just let it sit there and rot
03:12:51 <oerjan> zzo38: i don't think so.
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03:13:29 <shachaf> `5 w
03:13:34 <HackEgo> 1/3:unréliable//unréliable is French for «peu fiable». \ broily//broily is like boily, but more broiling. \ post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze//Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobahn album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedai
03:13:37 <shachaf> `n
03:13:37 <HackEgo> 2/3:lywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee . \ ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. \ ĥäŝkéll//ĥäŝkéll is not what
03:13:57 <shachaf> `cwlprits post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze
03:14:05 <HackEgo> int-̈e b_jonäs
03:14:06 <shachaf> `n
03:14:07 <HackEgo> 3/3: you were looking for. Try again.
03:14:20 <shachaf> `? haskell
03:14:21 <HackEgo> Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'
03:14:26 <oerjan> what inconsistency
03:15:01 <shachaf> `1 specifies that the next pieces can be viewed with `spam, but `5 only puts it in a see also.
03:15:19 <shachaf> Or just a see.
03:15:27 <shachaf> I guess it's not a see also because there's no also.
03:15:55 <shachaf> `doat haskell
03:16:00 <HackEgo> No output.
03:16:06 <shachaf> wwps
03:16:09 <shachaf> `dowt haskell
03:16:16 <HackEgo> 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. \ 289:2012-04-22 <oerjän> run echo "No instance for (Wisdom IRC) \\ arising from a use of \`wisdom' \\ Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Wisdom IRC) \\ In the expression: wisdom (Proxy :: Proxy IRC)" > wisdom/haskell \ 290:2012-04-22 <ellioẗt> run echo "Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \\
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03:17:29 <oerjan> just be happy the `? subgraph is strongly connected hth
03:17:57 <oerjan> `? `n
03:17:58 <HackEgo> ​`n? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
03:18:18 <oerjan> `learn `n is an abbreviation for `spam.
03:18:20 <HackEgo> Learned '`n': `n is an abbreviation for `spam.
03:18:47 <oerjan> NOW IT IS (maybe)
03:20:11 <shachaf> please write a program to generate the graph twh
03:21:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51974&oldid=51912 * Zzo38 * (+275) MMIX
03:26:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51975&oldid=51974 * Zzo38 * (+72)
03:30:23 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you like MMIX's MOR instruction?
03:32:47 <zzo38> Yes that is good. There is some stuff to make with that too.
03:33:08 <zzo38> (I happen to like the Muxcomp operation though (which MMIX doesn't have), which I think the computer ought to have.)
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03:39:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51976&oldid=51975 * Zzo38 * (+368)
03:43:14 <shachaf> What's that?
03:43:34 <zzo38> What is what, do you mean Muxcomp? It is described in esolang wiki.
03:44:26 <shachaf> O, now I see.
03:58:23 <zzo38> I wish that this wish will be only half granted.
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04:57:04 <zzo38> I added a program "ff-maxrgb" which can be use to keep only the highest or lowest value of channel of each pixel.
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06:45:14 <oerjan> girl genius seems to be in poster mode again (except it's not a poster)
06:49:39 <oerjan> oh, a blog update
06:50:11 * oerjan suspected they'd lost the password or something.
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07:41:13 <zzo38> How many screen shot programs are there now for X window?
07:45:03 <zzo38> There is xwd, and ImageMagick also does (although it does not work so well), and a few others.
08:13:46 <izabera> "look ma, i learned to use git"
08:13:48 <izabera> https://github.com/ThomasDickey/original-mawk
08:13:52 <izabera> https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20101210b
08:13:57 <izabera> https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20120627
08:14:05 <izabera> https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20121129
08:14:09 <izabera> https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20140914
08:15:40 <shachaf> Looks like it's related to the Google Code exporter somehow?
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08:45:04 * int-e wonders what zzo38's (although it does not work so well) comment was about
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08:46:38 <int-e> ("import" is my main screen shot program and I can't really complain. http://sprunge.us/TFGD (fvwm2 config snippet))
08:54:30 <zzo38> If you use "import" it works, although if using "convert" it doesn't work as well.
08:54:57 <zzo38> I used xwd before, but now instead use my own program.
08:58:00 <zzo38> (If there is a bug in "convert" when trying to screenshot (rather than using "import"), it probably ought to be fix, although I am not too concerned now as I am not using it.)
09:00:43 <zzo38> Of xwd, ImageMagick, and my own program, xwd is fastest and ImageMagick is slowest, it looks like.
09:02:52 <zzo38> So, I think ImageMagick may be too slow for some uses.
09:04:50 <zzo38> Are they faster on your computer?
09:04:57 <zzo38> At least on my computer it is slow.
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14:19:50 <boily> `w
14:19:52 <HackEgo> ops///msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
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14:32:11 <int-e> TIL that opaque terms are meaningless
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14:40:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[LINR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51977&oldid=51634 * Slord * (+35) Fixed reference to final line being out of date
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14:50:45 <boily> int-ello. the less meaning they have, the better they are.
14:54:30 <int-e> the funny thing is that those are technical terms, cf. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=
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16:39:19 <boily> `w
16:39:20 <HackEgo> tmyk//tmyk the more overfilled your brain gets.
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17:03:07 <nchambers> `w
17:03:08 <HackEgo> m&ndash;rdalsj&ouml;kull//M&ndash;rdalsj&ouml;kull is a draconic volcano harbouring the secret KATL base.
17:03:15 <nchambers> good to know
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17:35:23 <int-e> @metar lowi
17:35:23 <lambdabot> LOWI 221620Z 06011KT 010V090 9999 FEW075CB SCT080 SCT100 20/12 Q1016 NOSIG
17:44:36 <boily> @metar CYUL
17:44:36 <lambdabot> CYUL 221622Z 14011KT 5SM -RA BR BKN006 OVC025 11/10 A2996 RMK SF5SC3 SLP147
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19:12:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Elronnd/Fell]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51978&oldid=51074 * Elronnd * (+6) bit->digit
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19:15:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Elronnd/Fell]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51979&oldid=51978 * Elronnd * (-29) misc fix
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19:44:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Programmer5000]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51980&oldid=51973 * Programmer5000 * (+162)
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20:40:24 <FireFly> @metar ESSB
20:40:24 <lambdabot> ESSB 221920Z 26009KT CAVOK 15/03 Q1012
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21:14:38 <shachaf> `5 w
21:14:52 <HackEgo> 1/2:caine//Caine is a target administered to the drug to reverse the effects of other drugs. \ pronounceable c//int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote pronounceable capital c is the most verbose esoteric language ever comma god help you if you try to code with it comma especially without newlines perio
21:15:20 <shachaf> `n
21:15:21 <HackEgo> 2/2:d double quote close paren semicolon close curly \ applicative functor//Applicative functors are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. \ try//There is no try. \ the neverending work//The Neverending Work is what boily is going through trying to map entries that are being put in at the same time.
21:18:14 <zzo38> Can you tell me if you think the numbers for some of the new GURPS spells I made up you think are any good: Seek Air [I 3 C3s L S] Vampire Transfer [Reg 2/1 C2s Nr 1m] Mirror Link [Reg 4/2 C10s 1h] Do you know any GURPS game playing?
21:19:18 <shachaf> I don't know any GURPS game playing, and I'm not sure anyone else here does either.
21:19:32 <shachaf> But if you say some Magic: The Gathering game playing, I might be able to comment on it.
21:20:25 <zzo38> O, OK.
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21:51:38 <zzo38> Did you make up a new Magic: the Gathering card now?
21:58:25 <shachaf> No.
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21:58:41 <shachaf> `random-card
21:58:43 <HackEgo> Sylvan Might \ 1G \ Instant \ Target creature gets +2/+2 and gains trample until end of turn. \ Flashback {2}{G}{G} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.) \ OD-U, EMA-C
21:59:05 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you like Bearer of the Heavens?
21:59:07 <shachaf> `` ls bin/*card*
21:59:08 <HackEgo> bin/card-by-name \ bin/random-card
21:59:14 <shachaf> `card-by-name Bearer of the Heavens
21:59:15 <HackEgo> Bearer of the Heavens \ 7R \ Creature -- Giant \ 10/10 \ When Bearer of the Heavens dies, destroy all permanents at the beginning of the next end step. \ JOU-R
22:01:11 <zzo38> Maybe is somewhat too much powerful but I like those kind of idea too
22:01:40 <shachaf> You think it's too powerful? Why?
22:02:55 <zzo38> It is 10/10 for 8 mana that can destroy all permanents. The cost seem just a little bit low for that.
22:05:33 <zzo38> Still, 10 toughness does make it less likely to due (unless you use Reprisal or something like that!)
22:05:39 <zzo38> s/due/die/
22:06:19 <int-e> nice flavor
22:06:30 <shachaf> I had a deck based on that card.
22:06:52 <int-e> (if the heavens come down crashing, nothing will be left standing)
22:07:00 <shachaf> It had all sorts of cards that would put cards into the graveyard and cards that would put creatures from the graveyard onto the battlefield.
22:07:12 <shachaf> And cards that made all your permanents indestructible.
22:07:55 <shachaf> And other sorts of cards.
22:08:10 <zzo38> Of course it can also trigger the death triggers of all other permanents too.
22:09:35 <shachaf> Do you like Celestial Prism?
22:09:40 <shachaf> `card-by-name celestial prism
22:09:41 <HackEgo> Celestial Prism \ 3 \ Artifact \ {2}, {T}: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U
22:10:08 <zzo38> That is good. I like that one
22:11:05 <shachaf> `card-by-name pack rat
22:11:05 <HackEgo> Pack Rat \ 1B \ Creature -- Rat \ */* \ Pack Rat's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Rats you control. \ {2}{B}, Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of Pack Rat. \ RTR-R
22:11:08 <shachaf> pack rat is too good
22:11:20 <int-e> celestial prism seems expensive
22:11:28 <shachaf> `card-by-name relentless rats
22:11:29 <HackEgo> Relentless Rats \ 1BB \ Creature -- Rat \ 2/2 \ Relentless Rats gets +1/+1 for each other creature on the battlefield named Relentless Rats. \ A deck can have any number of cards named Relentless Rats. \ 5DN-U, 10E-U, M10-U, M11-U
22:11:49 <int-e> (mana wise)
22:12:59 <shachaf> It only costs {3}
22:13:02 <zzo38> Yes Pack Rat is too good I think.
22:13:56 <shachaf> What other card is too good?
22:15:45 <zzo38> Moxen, I think. (If they are restricted (possibly even like Canadian Highlander does) and proxies are permitted, then they could work though)
22:15:53 <int-e> shachaf: the activated ability destroys one mana and can only be used once per turn (without additional work) and by the time you have 3 mana you are probably also capable of getting the colored mana you need for most decks... I can't see that card carry its weight.
22:16:21 <shachaf> int-e: You're right, it's a terrible card.
22:16:27 <shachaf> I wonder why zzo38 likes it.
22:17:35 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you permit proxen in your games?
22:18:14 <int-e> (1.8g per card... hmm sounds plausible)
22:19:26 <int-e> http://www.quietspeculation.com/2010/09/dream-cache-magic-card-measurements/ <-- answering a question I should never have asked :)
22:19:39 <zzo38> Yes, I do to permit proxies, outside of official tournments (where proxies must be issued only for replacements of cards that got damaged during the tournament)
22:20:15 <zzo38> However the proxy card needs to have the proper Oracle text (possibly omitting reminder text) and enough other similar physical properties, so as to not constitute "marked cards" or biased shuffling.
22:20:16 <int-e> . o O ( proxied blacker lotus )
22:20:57 <zzo38> The card still as to be legal though, so you can't use a proxy of Blacker Lotus unless Blacker Lotus is already legal (which it isn't).
22:21:16 <int-e> I know it isn't.
22:21:30 <Zarutian> zzo38: so if someone uses a proxy card that is basically piece of paper inside of a card protection sleeve of the same make as the rest of the cards are in you permit it?
22:21:35 <int-e> but it would stretch the meaning of getting damaged during the tournament in a cute way
22:22:04 <zzo38> Yes, as long as all of the cards in the deck use sleeves (including authentic cards), and it is clear what the card is, then yes.
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22:24:22 <Zarutian> one thing I do not know of MTG are there cards of similiar power with same name but somewhat different stats?
22:24:48 <int-e> `card-by-name tragic slip
22:24:48 <HackEgo> Tragic Slip \ B \ Instant \ Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn. \ Morbid -- That creature gets -13/-13 until end of turn instead if a creature died this turn. \ DKA-C, CNS-C, C14-C, EMA-C, DDM-C
22:24:56 <zzo38> Cards with the same name are going to be the same thing.
22:26:09 <zzo38> Pokemon card doesn't do that, but if you play the old-style then each (name,level) pair uniquely identifies a card.
22:26:09 <Zarutian> I see, so the same techniques can be used for implementing MTG online as there is for 'cryptographers poker'.
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23:01:13 <zzo38> Do you know how I can make screen shot program I wrote to be faster? Currently it is slower than xwd (but much faster than ImageMagick).
23:01:53 <zzo38> This is that program: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/raw/ff-xcapture.c?name=2e66c045d39fb98c1a360cb01e9f7ca0071f65c8
23:02:25 <shachaf> Why do you care how fast a screen shot program is?
23:02:45 <shachaf> Have you considered rewriting this program in CWEB?
23:03:20 <zzo38> That would not change the speed that the program runs at.
23:03:35 <shachaf> Of course.
23:03:46 <zzo38> It would help to publish the program into a book, but that is not the intention at this time.
23:04:43 <zzo38> (Mostly I just want to know why it is slow and how such thing would be made to be faster.)
23:05:31 <shachaf> `3 random-card
23:05:33 <HackEgo> 1/2:Aggressive Urge \ 1G \ Instant \ Target creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn. \ Draw a card. \ IN-C, 10E-C \ \ Ghostly Changeling \ 2B \ Creature -- Shapeshifter \ 2/2 \ Changeling (This card is every creature type.) \ {1}{B}: Ghostly Changeling gets +1/+1 until end of turn. \ LRW-U, MM2-C \ \ Urza's Mine \ Land -- Urza's Mine \ {T
23:05:37 <shachaf> `n
23:05:38 <HackEgo> 2/2:}: Add {C} to your mana pool. If you control an Urza's Power-Plant and an Urza's Tower, add {C}{C} to your mana pool instead. \ AQ-C, AQ-U, CH-U, 5E-C, 8ED-U, 9ED-U, ME4-L \
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23:06:17 <shachaf> Is {C} the new colourless symbol?
23:06:27 <zzo38> Yes, that is what it means
23:06:28 <Zarutian> zzo38: you are requesting the screen pixmap how? One pixel or small rect a time or all at once?
23:06:45 <zzo38> Zarutian: You can see the program. It uses a single XGetImage call.
23:06:52 <shachaf> Legendary Enchantment Creature -- God
23:07:03 <shachaf> `card-by-nae bogbrew witch
23:07:04 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: card-by-nae: not found
23:07:12 <shachaf> nae, not that
23:07:13 <shachaf> `card-by-name bogbrew witch
23:07:14 <HackEgo> Bogbrew Witch \ 3B \ Creature -- Human Wizard \ 1/3 \ {2}, {T}: Search your library for a card named Festering Newt or Bubbling Cauldron, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. \ M14-R
23:07:26 <shachaf> Do you like Bogbrew Witch?
23:07:37 <zzo38> I don't know.
23:07:59 <Zarutian> zzo38: you tested with x window servers that have diffrent sized viewports? if you have have you noticed any timing variance?
23:08:35 <zzo38> (Adding generic mana into your mana pool still adds colorless mana, although to pay for {C} you need colorless mana specifically, while generic mana symbol can be paid with any mana.)
23:08:43 <zzo38> Zarutian: I have not, but I can try that now.
23:09:06 <shachaf> What's the best color in Magic: The Gathering?
23:09:09 <shachaf> Is it blue?
23:10:06 <zzo38> I think probably none of them are best because it can depend what thing you want to make.
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23:11:34 <Zarutian> zzo38: I havent read much about the X windows api but does XGetImage return a handle or the pixmap data? because if former then you are basically doing round-trip to the X window server for each pixel.
23:12:19 <zzo38> Zarutian: It returns the data.
23:12:50 <zzo38> The XImage structure contains a pointer to the data in client memory.
23:14:23 <Zarutian> zzo38: you are using shared memory between the client and server I take it? (that is when both are on the same machine)
23:14:26 <zzo38> It is faster for smaller windows.
23:15:04 <zzo38> Zarutian: As far as I know it does not work that way; it makes a copy.
23:17:12 <Zarutian> zzo38: write a program that basically omits writing out the image and see if that is faster for smaller windows or not
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23:18:31 <Zarutian> iterating pixel by pixel, scanline by scanline takes a while. Then there is the possibility of buffering or flow control to stdout too.
23:18:40 <zzo38> O, OK I suppose that is the idea to try.
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