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00:10:16 <oerjan> boily: i keep changing between my winter and spring jacket these days :/
00:11:17 <oerjan> temperature like a rollercoaster
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00:29:45 <\oren\> well, and now the mystery of "Who killed my process that was running on the server?"
00:30:17 <\oren\> Was it the butler, in the scullery, with the exacto knife?
00:38:16 <quintopia> it was boily in the wisdom file with the mapole
00:38:28 <boily> QUINTHELLOPIA! aaaurgh! you ninjaed me!
00:40:32 <boily> he\\oren\. by the way, I didn't touch your process hth
00:46:44 <\oren\> it was the lead devloper, with pkill -9, in his home directory!
00:50:46 <boily> what's a huintopia?
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00:57:00 <oerjan> a mutated irish quintopia
00:58:02 <quintopia> it was oerjan in the Dahl library with the frying pan
00:59:18 <oerjan> i didn't do it and nobody saw me, but anyone who goes in the Dahl library gets what they deserve.
00:59:33 <boily> I believe the weapoerjan is the swatter hth
01:00:21 <oerjan> i've also got a saucepan ===\__/ and recently a skillet ==\____/
01:01:46 <boily> nothing like a properly seasoned skillet to sauté a few mushrooms here and there.
01:02:37 <shachaf> oerjan: what kind of skillet twh
01:02:44 <shachaf> boily: what kind of mushrooms twh
01:05:45 <boily> shachaf: https://www.dropbox.com/s/olds0tafcy5f1dl/IMG_20170523_200405.jpg?dl=0
01:06:00 <boily> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrsx38nm3byggg6/IMG_20170523_200433.jpg?dl=0
01:06:08 <boily> I don't know what they are, but they taste good.
01:07:23 <shachaf> imo go hunting for exciting wild mushrooms
01:10:06 <oerjan> shachaf: a sciientifically improved one hth
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01:10:24 <boily> there's the Mycoboutique ( http://www.mycoboutique.com/fr/ ) that does hunting sessions during the summer ^^
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01:12:08 <shachaf> oerjan: what is the material twh
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01:16:16 * boily mapoles oerjan. 0.99 FP.
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01:42:32 <boily> ah fungot. got banished into the abyss.
01:42:33 <fungot> boily: mhmm yes dying in a party tonight and drinking. :p http://panic.joroinen.fi/pk/ breakpoint03/ wild/ etc. is a lambda that takes the object, if you consider ( cons a. b)
01:43:04 <boily> fungot: dying is pretty much assured.
01:43:04 <fungot> boily: scheme is ideal for something like a liter of hot chocolate, or software?
01:43:37 <oerjan> fungot: mainly software, i think.
01:43:38 <fungot> oerjan: and only the whole program
01:43:53 <oerjan> fungot: no, it's supposedly also good in the REPL
01:43:54 <fungot> oerjan: exactly. can you recieve 2.2 gb per dcc?). since range-list works for a living
01:44:12 <oerjan> fungot: i... don't know.
01:44:13 <fungot> oerjan: i retract that, and for only a couple annoyances. ( the port is a regular procedure just like any other
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01:50:02 <HackEgo> i'n//I'n is a contraction of "I'm in" rdocscovered in the early 23rd century.
01:50:34 <boily> contractions of the language lead to pregnant pauses.
01:50:54 <boily> (or is it the other way round? I lack the recommended apparatus for that kind of thing...)
01:55:48 <HackEgo> 1/2:isjust//isJust is just a Haskell function to check if a value is Just a. \ cosplay//Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people. \ fourth wisdom//.wisdoms other the all upon builds wisdom fourth The \ languabe//Languabes are edible and fun. They provide a quick implementation energy boo
01:57:03 <shachaf> oerjan: languabe came up last time hth
01:57:19 <oerjan> (although it's what i expected you to forget)
01:57:46 <oerjan> i think i shall still have to clamp down on this kind of cheating.
01:58:05 <shachaf> maybe before you call something cheating, you can specify the rules twh
01:58:52 <oerjan> well the basic rule is that you only get to remove one of the 5, of course.
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02:07:04 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
02:07:39 <shachaf> oerjan: i followed that rule hth
02:07:52 <shachaf> 15:47 <HackEgo> 1/2:languabe//Languabes are edible and fun. They provide a quick implementation energy boost! \ recursion//You might expect a reference to
02:07:55 <shachaf> 17:55 <HackEgo> 1/2:isjust//isJust is just a Haskell function to check if a value is Just a. \ cosplay//Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show
02:11:16 <oerjan> the rest of the rule is that you must do any deletion before you do another bunch of 5 hth
02:19:06 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
02:19:13 <HackEgo> tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
02:21:41 <Cale> dth is the dth ordinal. dth?
02:22:26 <Cale> I forget how to inform it.
02:22:32 <shachaf> It just runs UNIX commands.
02:23:26 <shachaf> Anyway you use `learn but you have to look up how it works before you use it because otherwise you'll get it wrong.
02:23:32 <shachaf> Because it's so intuitive.
02:24:14 <\oren\> guten ...shit I don;t know the german word for evening
02:24:54 <shachaf> then why are you speaking german hth
02:26:08 <Cale> `le//rn dth//dth is the dth ordinal. dth?
02:26:10 <HackEgo> Learned 'dth': dth is the dth ordinal. dth?
02:26:43 <boily> \oren\: guten abend hth
02:28:47 <shachaf> who taught you about le//rn dtnh
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02:35:05 <Cale> :( my desktop machine won't POST
02:35:13 <oerjan> . o O ( `learn would have worked just fine :( )
02:36:12 <Cale> Does `learn use the first word as the word to define?
02:36:46 <oerjan> Deutsch ist eine sehr einfache Sprache.
02:36:56 <HackEgo> `learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] <keyword>[s][punctuation] [...]
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02:38:06 <oerjan> hey that GT roundtrips
02:41:08 <shachaf> As fizzie would call it, T.
02:45:26 <Cale> Pretty nice :)
02:46:05 <Cale> It's always fun to meet all the people who I've known for years from #haskell and never met face to face.
02:48:15 <alercah> Cool. A bunch of my coworkers were down there for a different conference last week
02:50:12 <oerjan> when all the seasoned conferencers gather
02:51:37 <zzo38> On a All The Tropes wiki article about computer RPG clice they mention: "It is proven that a human mind has an effect on random number generators. Your thoughts directly affect the RNG, and this is proven. This means that your mindset affects the RNG. Any thought you have affects the RNG, any thought at all will have an effect. This also means that once you start thinking the RNG is after you, it is. You now have nobody to blame but yourself."
02:52:09 <zzo38> I think there is two thing wrong with that: [1] Computer games are commonly using pseudorandom number generators. [2] I don't see how it implies that "once you start thinking the RNG is after you, it is."
02:52:59 <shachaf> it's called "pseudo" because it's affected by your mind hth
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03:16:32 <oerjan> your mind is retroactively affecting the seed hth
03:26:00 <zzo38> The seed is not necessarily made up by a true random number generator either (although sometimes it is based on the amount of time that passes).
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03:47:42 <HackEgo> 1/2:ravnica: city of guilds//Ravnica: City of Guilds is a city of guilds. “City of Guilds” is part of its name. The Wizards of the Coast Marketing Department: We Sell Anything thought players might not notice it was a City of Guilds unless they put the tagline into the name. \ nak//matrix//A matrix is just a matrix. People use them to
03:47:44 <HackEgo> 2/2: communicate. Taneb invented them. \ yoda//Yoda object-verb dialogue adopts. \ antediluvian//We could tell you what antediluvian means, but that would just open a flood of questions.
03:48:20 <shachaf> oerjan: wouldn't the flood of questions come first?
03:49:37 <shachaf> Cale: Can string diagrams give me good intuition for tensors?
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03:56:33 <Cale> shachaf: Maybe? I wouldn't expect them to give you all *that* much more intuition than ordinary diagrams though.
03:57:47 <Cale> shachaf: What do you want to know about tensors?
03:58:11 <Cale> You mean just tensor products of vector spaces?
03:58:14 <shachaf> Hmm, I don't remember anymore.
03:58:34 <shachaf> Start with anything, I guess.
03:59:27 <shachaf> I guess tensor product is a functor, so tensor products of linear maps matter, not just tensor products of vector spaces.
03:59:50 <shachaf> But when people say "tensor" they specifically mean V^n V*^m, right?
04:00:02 <Cale> Yeah, that's true, but that's part of the same story
04:00:07 <shachaf> Where multiplication is tensor product and V* is the dual space.
04:00:22 <Cale> That's certainly the case for some
04:01:00 <shachaf> Or they mean a multidimensional array.
04:01:09 <shachaf> But everyone says that's a bad way to think of it.
04:02:05 <Cale> So, one way to motivate the tensor product space is that in the category of sets, we have this nice adjunction that says a map A -> C^B is the same thing as a map A x B -> C
04:02:25 <shachaf> Sure, it's left adjoint to the internal hom.
04:02:31 <shachaf> That's a pretty good motivation.
04:03:10 <shachaf> I should probably get a better idea of why co/contravariance matters so much in linear maps.
04:03:37 <shachaf> It's obvious why it matters with functions, but a vecor space is isomorphic to its dual (though not naturally).
04:11:15 <quintopia> is a vecor space a vector space in which vectors are forbidden from being orthogonal (no 'T')?
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04:21:15 <zzo38> Has Knuth read yet what you wrote about MMIX?
04:23:01 <shachaf> zzo38: He read an email I wrote to him about MMIXware.
04:23:11 <zzo38> What did you write?
04:23:16 <shachaf> Then he added a "rant" to the text of MMIXware, and sent me a check.
04:24:03 <shachaf> I talked about how his C programs assume that argv[0] is non-NULL, whereas the C specification (and Linux/glibc) allow it to be NULL.
04:24:54 <shachaf> That wasn't really about MMIX, though.
04:25:18 <oerjan> shachaf: i don't see why hth
04:25:43 <shachaf> oerjan: am i missing a pun here
04:26:03 <shachaf> The erratum is at http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/mmixware-errata.html
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04:38:06 <oerjan> shachaf: antedeluvian = before the flood hth
04:38:36 <shachaf> Oh, that was in reply to that.
04:38:50 <oerjan> . o O ( oh no, i just opened a flood of questions. and with shachaf, even )
04:38:56 <shachaf> Not sure what I was thinking.
04:38:59 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
04:39:12 <HackEgo> 9872:2016-12-05 <boil̈y> slwd shachaf//s/^/Queen / \ 9869:2016-12-05 <oerjän> learn_append shachaf He doesn\'t know when to stop asking questions. \ 9116:2016-09-29 <shachäf> slwd shachaf//s# T.*## \ 8814:2016-07-14 <boil̈y> slwd shachaf//s#^shachaf#Shachaf of the Dawn# \ 8553:2016-06-21 <shachäf> ` hg cat -r 8343 wisdom/shachaf > wisdom/sh
04:40:02 <shachaf> Now that Homescow is done.
04:41:47 <izabera> what is an example of a nontrivial file that <commonly used compression algorithm> cannot compress?
04:43:13 <zzo38> Yes, although I don't know if you want to count that?
04:44:19 <shachaf> oerjan: Hmm, /dev/random is infinite.
04:44:24 <shachaf> What does it mean to compress an infinite file?
04:44:38 <shachaf> Assuming it can't be generated by a finite program, which almost all infinite files can't.
04:44:46 <zzo38> Then use head -c to keep only the finite part, I suppose.
04:45:03 <shachaf> Ah, keep only the finite part and drop the infinite part. Makes sense.
04:45:28 <doesthiswork> I know a guy who has a hydraulic press you could use
04:46:22 <HackEgo> overflow:Overflow is a phenomenon that occurs when too much water pours into the inner tanks of a hydraulic computer.
04:47:00 <HackEgo> 1/2:music//The result was a short burst of the most hideous cacophony in G minor. \ deep learning//Deep learning applies software engineering principles to AI. A deep learning network has numerous layers and no one understands what any of them do. \ char//Char is a prominent component of charcoal. \ quote//Quotes are just elements of the
04:47:04 <HackEgo> 2/2:quantum dilapidated bogosphere. See qdb. \ tanstaaha//tanstaaha, so please stop using them. That would help.
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10:54:49 <HackEgo> kayayaya//Ka-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya-ya.
10:55:57 <shachaf> oerjan: the presence of a command as broken and useless as `3 in the 1 2 4 5 sequence is slightly irritating to me tdnh
11:01:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Cedar101 * New user account
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11:39:45 <HackEgo> laver table//A laver table is a type of Welsh furniture primarily used for eating seaweed.
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12:08:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51987&oldid=51261 * BradleySadowsky * (+51) Added DROL Truth Machine
12:12:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DROL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51988&oldid=51956 * BradleySadowsky * (+73) /* External Links */ Added link to docs
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13:03:45 <HackEgo> elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron.
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17:23:45 <HackEgo> bicategory//Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism.
17:32:09 <HackEgo> erkin//An erkin is a variety of cucumber: the West Indian or burr erkin (Cucumis anguria), which produces a somewhat smaller fruit than the garden cucumber (Cucumis sativus).
17:56:54 <HackEgo> palindrome//A palindrome is a word that remains the same if you take it to the mirror dimension, and then take each individual letter back to the normal dimension separately.
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19:42:31 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/wmiwxxl.jpg
19:47:31 <Taneb> It's amazing how much coding and algorithms can do
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19:56:34 <zzo38> Can make up some Magic: the Gathering card: {4} Artifact ;; When ~ enters the battlefield, create a tapped 0/1 Wall creature token with banding and defender. ;; Creature spells cost {1} more to cast if ~ is untapped.
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20:07:03 <zzo38> What can it be called, and any other suggestion maybe?
20:11:04 <zzo38> http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/magic-rules/#R7016
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22:22:39 <T-Rog> zzo38: I was told to come in here and ask you about D&D
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22:52:29 <zzo38> T-Rog: OK, what question?
22:53:56 <zzo38> If you do not tell me what question then I cannot answer you. OK
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22:56:57 <zzo38> T-Rog: What question you wanted to ask to me please?
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22:58:02 <T-Rog> zzo38: Do you prefer to DM using theater of the mind, or a map and mini figures?
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22:59:04 <zzo38> By mind. A map (on paper, not with figures) can still help in some situations, though.
22:59:26 <T-Rog> do you have a preferred campaign setting?
23:00:53 <zzo38> I am not the DM actually, although of course all of the player and DM will have the preferences and then you can put together. But if you read my level20.tex then you can see what some of it is! You can see how the different character are difference too.
23:02:26 <zzo38> All The Tropes wiki article: https://allthetropes.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/level20.tex
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23:06:36 <zzo38> T-Rog: Do you like this? If you read the story (from the source file, or the DVI or PDF) then you can see how we do it. There are some footnotes too, to explain. However, now I mostly play the GURPS I prefer it to the D&D mostly.
23:07:53 <zzo38> (That wiki article contains the links to those stuff)
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23:09:19 <zzo38> I even wrote my own TeX macro package for making the recording of story of Dungeons&Dragons game. You can keep track of experience points, spell lists, ability scores, skills, etc.
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23:09:54 * T-Rog doesn't know how to use TeX
23:10:19 <zzo38> Yes, I think TeX is probably best type setting system made so far (although it does have some problems too).
23:11:06 <shachaf> What's better: TeX or MMIX?
23:12:17 <zzo38> They are two different things; you cannot compare so well which one better.
23:12:50 <shachaf> If they were the same thing, you couldn't compare so well which one better.
23:12:58 <shachaf> But they're different things, which is what lets you compare.
23:12:59 <T-Rog> zzo38: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s4jh0nc5rjb3m0f/D%26D%20Story.odt?dl=0
23:13:09 <T-Rog> I wrote this a while back, but the campaign didn't last very long
23:13:21 <zzo38> If they are same thing, is easily to compare: They are equal!
23:13:24 <T-Rog> it ended with the party TKing each other
23:13:27 <zzo38> If there is Pascal compiler to target MMIX then you can even run TeX on MMIX.
23:13:36 <zzo38> T-Rog: I do not have the program to load .odt file
23:13:57 <T-Rog> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kglkpzezros4q8a/D%26D%20Story.pdf?dl=0
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23:18:38 <zzo38> I suppose it is OK.
23:19:03 <zzo38> This is good too I think.
23:19:26 <zzo38> How many players are there though in there?
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23:20:54 <zzo38> It just says <number of players>
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23:23:50 <zzo38> T-Rog: Also what version you play? Is it 3.5 edition like I do?
23:24:39 <T-Rog> I've never played anything else, although I know a little about AD&D
23:24:51 <zzo38> The level20.tex is 3.5 edition.
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23:25:39 <zzo38> Do you know any about GURPS game?
23:25:45 <Phantom_Hoover> zzo38, i'm curious, do you have a phonetic pronunciation of Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe
23:26:58 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: I sometimes try, but I could never manage to do properly. I made up the name at random by use of a program I wrote in my TI-92 calculator, and just added the space. (The algorithm this program uses is based on an algorithm that was designed to be performed by throwing dice.)
23:27:41 <zzo38> No; he chose that name deliberately (probably to cause the confusion it causes).
23:28:52 <zzo38> My characters are Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe and Zeux Agem; Also is my brother's character.
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23:38:59 <oerjan> shachaf: feel free to invent a useful `3 command; as b_jonas pointed out, there is no real need for one.
23:39:37 <oerjan> (`3 analogous to `2 is just `n because it makes no sense unless you've already done `2.)
23:39:42 <shachaf> There's no need for 13 as a generalization of `2
23:39:54 <shachaf> But maybe as a generalization of `4
23:40:07 <HackEgo> `1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4.
23:40:23 <oerjan> well, we have `^`, it's just not currently well-adapted to standalone use.
23:40:29 <HackEgo> cat: bin/^`: No such file or directory
23:40:38 <HackEgo> cat: bin/^: No such file or directory
23:40:42 <HackEgo> [[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport
23:40:49 <oerjan> third time's the charm
23:40:52 <shachaf> Oh, becuase it's ` raised to a power, right.
23:41:08 <shachaf> Maybe it should split $1 on the first space?
23:41:44 <shachaf> I'm not sure it should have two different similar incompatible UIs.
23:41:48 <shachaf> That'll just be confusing.
23:41:51 <oerjan> that would work. in fact we have a command to help with that, what was it named...
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23:42:20 <zzo38> Do you think this level20.tex is full of Footnote Fever?
23:42:21 <HackEgo> 1/1:gotton//gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. \ _46bit//_46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. \ lazy//La \ program//A program is an image created by means of prography. \ monoids//Monoids are just categories with single objects.
23:42:26 <HackEgo> 1/1:gotton//gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. \ _46bit//_46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. \ lazy//La \ program//A program is an image created by means of prography. \ monoids//Monoids are just categories with single objects.
23:42:35 <HackEgo> sep='//`' \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'Usage: `# <comment>'"$sep"'<command>' >&2 ; exit 1; } \ nur "${1#*$sep}"
23:43:02 <oerjan> that's not right for this.
23:43:41 <HackEgo> 10188:2017-01-29 <oerjän> slwd lazy//1cLa \ 10187:2017-01-29 <oerjän> le//rn lazy//la
23:44:10 <zzo38> boily: I suppose you are correct; it is not quite.
23:44:42 <oerjan> `slwd `1//s,ly,ly almost,
23:44:45 <HackEgo> `1//`1 <cmd> is equivalent to `` <cmd>, except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly almost the obvious generalization of `4.
23:45:00 <oerjan> i just remembered `1 doesn't support quote.
23:45:40 <shachaf> Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy Jane. she wants a drink of water so she waits and waits and waits and waits and waits for it to rain.
23:46:45 <boily> helloochaf. badoily?
23:47:18 <oerjan> . o O ( that `? program doesn't quite make sense... )
23:48:01 <shachaf> all the single objects / all the single objects
23:49:26 <shachaf> if a category has enough of them, it's a monoid?
23:50:35 <oerjan> `le/rn all the single objects//All the single objects went to form a class / but then they got a unit test / which none of them did pass.
23:50:38 <HackEgo> Learned 'all the single objects': All the single objects went to form a class / but then they got a unit test / which none of them did pass.
23:51:20 <oerjan> `slwd all the single objects//s,went,/ went,
23:51:22 <HackEgo> all the single objects//All the single objects / went to form a class / but then they got a unit test / which none of them did pass.
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23:52:24 <zzo38> T-Rog: Are you still on, today?
23:52:38 <T-Rog> I'm still here, if that's what you're asking
23:53:01 <T-Rog> I'm watching the video tutorials on how to use Roll20
23:55:46 <zzo38> I also invented another method of ability scores generation for Dungeons&Dragons which is call "Goldilock's Method" (I did not call it that, or anything else), and now with the permissions of DM, it mean some players in our games (including myself) are using it, while others prefer the traditional "4d6 drop lowest, rearrange" method.
23:55:51 <boily> if testing isn't painful, you're doing it wrong.
23:56:49 <T-Rog> and how does this "Goldilocks Method" work?