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00:10:28 <rdococ> hyoomans. hyoomans everywhyere.
00:10:32 <rdococ> hoily.
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01:28:19 <oerjan> `quote
01:28:28 <HackEgo> 372) <oklopol> such a famous bisexual <Phantom_Hoover> Yeah, like Marlon Brando. <Phantom_Hoover> And Caligula. <Phantom_Hoover> And... Keeley Hawes? <Phantom_Hoover> I feel cheated by Ashes to Ashes now.
01:28:28 <shachaf> `4
01:28:32 <HackEgo> 1/2:155) <Gregor> elliott: My university has two Poultry Science buildings. <Gregor> Two! \ 556) <fizzie dictionary> An 'ad hobbitem' fallacy is when you try to undermine someone's credibility by referring to how hairy his/her feets are. \ 1036) <Bike> I'm glad I quit programming to take up listening to numbers stations \ 790) <elliott> this sound
01:28:40 <shachaf> `n
01:28:41 <HackEgo> 2/2:s sort of like @ kmc <kmc> well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science
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01:29:27 <oerjan> `quote 186
01:29:28 <HackEgo> 186) <Phatom__Hovver> LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary. <pikh> LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary.
01:29:57 <oerjan> were those nicks accurate at the time...
01:30:14 <shachaf> pikh?
01:30:19 <shachaf> hm
01:30:23 <shachaf> the whole thing is a mess
01:30:32 <shachaf> And we can't even doag it.
01:30:45 <oerjan> indeed, nitia is probably responsible
01:31:18 <shachaf> I see you complaining about it at http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2013-09-18.txt
01:31:19 <oerjan> `1 hg cat -r 1 quotes | grep LoTR
01:31:26 <HackEgo> 1/1:<Phatom__Hovver> LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary. <pikh> LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary.
01:31:30 <shachaf> Remember when 2013 was 4 years ago?
01:31:41 <oerjan> as if it was yesterday
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11:45:41 <boily> @metar CYUL
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12:59:53 <__kerbal___> wob_jonas: Integ now has a comparison operator and user-defined operators.
13:00:27 <__kerbal___> Integbot supports them
13:00:29 <__kerbal___> now
13:00:50 <__kerbal___> but it isn't online
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13:01:24 <wob_jonas> __kerbal__: is it documented now what the } operator returns?
13:01:42 <__kerbal___> What do you mean?
13:01:59 <__kerbal___> Not on the wiki
13:02:01 <__kerbal___> hold on
13:02:07 <__kerbal___> (Thanks for the page, by the way)
13:02:22 <wob_jonas> its return value is useful for brevity
13:02:38 <wob_jonas> you might document what ? and ~ return too while you're there
13:03:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Integ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52314&oldid=52306 * Kerbal * (+47)
13:03:35 <wob_jonas> wait, you have persistent operator definitions now?
13:03:35 <__kerbal___> I forgot ?
13:03:38 <__kerbal___> Yep
13:03:56 <wob_jonas> in the bot that is
13:04:08 <wob_jonas> hmm, but that still only allows like bounded amount of memory, right?
13:04:25 <wob_jonas> because you can only have 60 or so user-defined operators, and you have to define each in one line
13:04:44 <wob_jonas> or do you allow user-defined functions with names longer than a single character now?
13:04:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Integ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52315&oldid=52314 * Kerbal * (+159)
13:05:24 <__kerbal___> There's only 52 allowed user-defined operators right now, but I may open up other Unicode blocks soon
13:05:50 <wob_jonas> also, I think the description on the wiki should mention the implicit sequencing operator
13:05:56 <__kerbal___> ok
13:07:00 <wob_jonas> unless you're planning to replace that soon that is
13:07:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Integ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52316&oldid=52315 * Kerbal * (+156)
13:08:20 <wob_jonas> and if int-e's shorter quine works, you might want to put that on the wiki page instead of the ugly long one I wrote
13:08:27 <wob_jonas> even I wrote shorter ones
13:09:02 <__kerbal___> I don't have int-e's quine.
13:09:22 <wob_jonas> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/17.06.17 has it
13:10:38 <wob_jonas> http://sprunge.us/cBXQ has just the quine
13:10:51 <wob_jonas> (make sure it works)
13:14:12 <__kerbal___> I can't test it right now, but I'll check the logs later and test it
13:16:05 <__kerbal___> I might keep yours and put the other one up
13:16:07 <__kerbal___> as well
13:16:34 <wob_jonas> I wrote somewhat shorter ones too
13:16:38 <wob_jonas> but whatever
13:18:09 <__kerbal___> ok
13:18:48 <wob_jonas> but then int-e improved mine so it's basically superceded
13:18:56 <__kerbal___> ah
13:19:16 <wob_jonas> I did write a shorter one using an array of numbers instead of a large integer though
13:19:18 <__kerbal___> I want to build a package system that connects to the web, and create a standard library
13:19:29 <__kerbal___> I've got a complex, but workable arrangement planned
13:20:05 <__kerbal___> where packages are assigned a unique identification number and retrieved from online
13:21:35 <__kerbal___> It's going to be something unique
13:22:14 <wob_jonas> or just install one with hackego with a builtin to load files local to hackego
13:22:17 <wob_jonas> `echo 1
13:22:26 <HackEgo> 1
13:25:09 <__kerbal___> well, I was planning on creating a routing repository which would contain the id number and the address where the package is stored. That way, you wouldn't have to upload packages to an Integ server; just keep them on your own and give Integbot or a similar script a link and a description
13:25:42 <__kerbal___> then, Integ would ask the repo for the file that corresponds to the number
13:25:43 <wob_jonas> oh, so you just mean loading code from the web with an url?
13:25:47 <__kerbal___> yep
13:26:08 <__kerbal___> No updating packages on your local system ever required unless you are the creator
13:26:21 <__kerbal___> (and even then, you just update the web copy)
13:26:36 <__kerbal___> You'll only be able to get packages through the web
13:28:28 <__kerbal___> Basically, you will include packages with an overcomment of the form .x. where x is the id number
13:28:55 <__kerbal___> Your implementation will look up the number from the repo
13:28:59 <__kerbal___> and get the URL
13:29:10 <__kerbal___> and then execute that code before it executes the local code
13:29:31 <__kerbal___> This gives you access to any operator definitions and useful setup bits in the package
13:31:47 <__kerbal___> I don't think (but could be wrong) that security issues would result; Integ has no access to the file system
13:31:57 <__kerbal___> or anything important like that
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15:58:09 <int-e> grr, mercurial. hg ci . --amend didn't work because I had no changes in . ... I wanted to amend the description and *not* commit the changes elsewhere.
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17:15:45 <fizzie> int-e: How about --amend --edit?
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17:44:20 <int-e> fizzie: doesn't do the trick
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17:48:05 <int-e> fizzie: I solved it by moving the local change out of the way (it was just a single file) but I'm still annoyed
17:53:41 <shachaf> int-e: what does hg githelp tell you to do twh
17:54:03 <shachaf> I haven't tried it but I wonder how well it works for slight edge cases like this.
17:54:06 <int-e> hg: unknown command 'githelp'
17:54:16 <shachaf> @google hg githelp
17:54:17 <lambdabot> Plugin `search' failed with: connect: does not exist (No route to host)
17:54:28 <shachaf> https://bitbucket.org/facebook/hg-experimental
17:54:46 <shachaf> It's a Facebook extension for people who know how to use git and want to use hg.
17:56:11 <int-e> @google lambdabot
17:56:12 <lambdabot> https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot
17:56:14 <int-e> meh.
18:03:07 <int-e> https://bitbucket.org/facebook/hg-experimental/src/e0b3fe913800ccf9376e4f1720eecaf5a2eb183b/hgext3rd/githelp.py?at=default#githelp.py-438 ... it won't do anything useful
18:08:42 <shachaf> Oh well.
18:09:02 <int-e> apparently I could have specified an actual file (even if it's unchanged) instead of a directory.
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18:11:32 <fizzie> "hg amend -e" is what I do to edit the commit message when I don't have any local changes, but I've not tried to edit the message while ignoring local changes.
18:11:43 <fizzie> I don't know if "hg amend" is just an alias for "hg ci --amend", either, or something more.
18:14:14 <shachaf> fizzie: Do you like suffix arrays (and suffix trees)?
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18:15:07 <int-e> he should, given that they're a nice way of finding repeated ngrams?
18:17:16 <shachaf> Apparently many of the recent advances in suffix trees/arrays have been made by Finns.
18:17:27 <shachaf> So I assume they're very popular in Finland.
18:19:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Functional deadfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52326 * Ehulinsky * (+442) Created page with "'''Functional Deadfish''' is an expansion of Deadfish which adds "functions" Its syntax is the same except for the '''f''' and '''c''' command. All commands between two f com..."
18:20:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Functional deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52327&oldid=52326 * Ehulinsky * (-3)
18:21:24 <shachaf> int-e: Do you know the fancy linear-time algorithm for constructing suffix arrays?
18:22:55 <int-e> there's the Ukkonen suffix trie thing... toyed with it 15 years ago I guess
18:23:23 <shachaf> I should figure out this other algorithm for constructing a suffix array directly.
18:23:27 <int-e> but it's quite memory hungry (linear, of course, but the factor is nowhere close to 1)
18:23:44 <shachaf> Right.
18:23:55 <shachaf> Given a suffix array and a letter histogram of a string S, you can reconstruct S. Is there an efficient way to query S[i]?
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18:31:17 <int-e> Hmm, you have to find i in the suffix array, don't you, then translate the resulting index in the histogram? The first part seems to require a linear scan of the suffix array, unless I'm missing something devilishly clever
18:33:04 <shachaf> I guess so.
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18:54:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:3var]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52328&oldid=45836 * Nikoraito * (-1128) /* Extensions */
18:54:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:3var]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52329&oldid=52328 * Nikoraito * (+2) /* Extensions */
18:54:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:3var]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52330&oldid=52329 * Nikoraito * (-3) /* Extensions */
19:04:31 <rdococ> 4var, 5var, 2var
19:25:32 <fizzie> shachaf: fungot likes what arguably are a little bit like a suffix tree, if you squint at a funhouse mirror. (Okay, it's not very much like a proper suffix tree, except that it's a tree, and suffixes are involved.)
19:25:32 <fungot> fizzie: you know, that went fairly well, that too. i'm sorry that i couldn't we? i can't i get an endure heat spell aready?
19:25:55 <shachaf> What does fungot do with them?
19:25:55 <fungot> shachaf: if by " age old" she means, " after i die". you need, my dear, i think as long as i move and ready an attack to disrupt my sleep with some timely ( if anyone is going to be the hardest. he's dead
19:26:01 <shachaf> ^style
19:26:01 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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20:21:47 <shachaf> int-e: You're right, it's obviously impossible in general.
20:22:09 <shachaf> int-e: Sometimes people store the inverse permutation as well, which would let you do it. But of course that uses more space than the original string, so it's only relevant if you wanted to store it anyway.
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20:56:22 <fizzie> shachaf: I think I've explained this on-channel once, but
20:56:26 <fizzie> ...
20:56:34 <fizzie> But I can't use my keyboard.
21:03:47 <\oren\> fizzie: buy a new one?
21:04:19 <fizzie> shachaf: Anyway I was referring to the babbling models, which are in what I call a reverse-context tree, where the node at path /a/b/c/d contains the list of 5-grams that have the form "d c b a *", the idea being that since it's a variable-length model, you just descend the tree and simultaneously walk backwards the list of generated tokens until you have no more children left.
21:05:23 <fizzie> \oren\: I'm actually in a market for a new keyboard, I just can't decide which one to get. I've managed to narrow it to about maybe 5 candidates, but each of them has something wrong.
21:09:59 <rdococ> ...sorry.
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21:15:13 <shachaf> fizzie: Your contention that this isn't very much like a suffix tree makes sense to me.
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21:33:09 <wob_jonas> "<shachaf> It's a Facebook extension for people who know how to use git and want to use hg." (githelp)
21:33:26 <wob_jonas> What's the point of that? Git is like the hardest to use vcs interface-wise.
21:33:47 <shachaf> The git interface makes sense to me.
21:34:20 <int-e> wob_jonas: it's not, once you've learned it :-P
21:34:23 <wob_jonas> yeah, I think we had this discussion a lot of times in this channel
21:34:42 <int-e> yes we have
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21:35:23 <\oren\> also why is there no command to make a pull request
21:35:35 <shachaf> pull requests are scow
21:35:43 <shachaf> assuming you're talking about github
21:35:50 <int-e> It's called push, basically.
21:35:55 <shachaf> That too.
21:38:12 <shachaf> I think it's not hard to invent a VCS UI better than git and hg.
21:38:51 <wob_jonas> shachaf: you mean for a distributed vcs, right?
21:39:01 <shachaf> Sure?
21:39:22 <shachaf> Being distributed is a reasonable feature, though having central servers with all sorts of features is pretty good.
21:39:40 <shachaf> No particular reason you shouldn't be able to fetch all the data from the central server for yourself, if the repository is small enough.
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21:41:34 <wob_jonas> I'd like a distributed vcs where the UI easily allows me to repeatedly fetch only some of the contents of the repo from the remote, choosing any set of files and versions of them, and lets me change the filtering in any way even after the fact, both to fetch more stuff or to free up space used by versions I don't need.
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21:51:42 <wob_jonas> (I want Scapegoat)
21:51:47 <wob_jonas> `? scapegoat
21:51:48 <HackEgo> scapegoat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:52:05 <wob_jonas> `quote scapegoat
21:52:06 <HackEgo> 554) <fizzie> Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. <fizzie> (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.)
21:57:14 <wob_jonas> `quote scapegoat
21:57:14 <HackEgo> 554) <fizzie> Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. <fizzie> (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.)
21:57:20 <wob_jonas> `quote scapegoat
21:57:21 <HackEgo> 554) <fizzie> Spacegoat is the network-operations-optimized-for-latency-of-minutes-or-hours-due-to-light-speed-limits variant of scapegoat, to be used when you need to check out some code from the Mars colony. <fizzie> (I'm pretty sure we'll have established a Mars colony by the time scapegoat rolls out.)
21:57:23 <wob_jonas> hmm
21:57:30 <wob_jonas> `? ayacc
21:57:31 <HackEgo> ayacc is ais523's yacc parser generator implementation, get it from darcs clone http://nethack4.org/projects/ayacc
21:58:08 <wob_jonas> `? uncursed
21:58:09 <HackEgo> uncursed? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:58:11 <wob_jonas> `? uncurses
21:58:12 <HackEgo> uncurses? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:58:17 <rdococ> `? deuncursed
21:58:18 <HackEgo> deuncursed? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:58:28 * rdococ flinches
21:58:29 <wob_jonas> `? feather
21:58:30 <HackEgo> A feather is something that can be found on most birds. It is responsible for their ability to not spontaneously float, seeing as how feathers are made of osmium. Penguins and ostriches have more feathers than most other birds, many of which are internal.
21:58:47 <wob_jonas> should there be a wisdom entry explaining scapegoat? it would be too factual
22:01:43 <shachaf> `5 w
22:01:48 <HackEgo> 1/2:human//Humans are a species rumored to be a majority in the channel, but evidence seems inconclusive. They are constantly evolving, although not as fast as pokémons. \ english channel//If it existed, the English Channel would separate Hexham from Finland. \ thyme//Thyme itself is only an abstract approximation of oregano. \ trick//A trick lear
22:04:59 <shachaf> `n
22:05:00 <HackEgo> 2/2:nt is a trick half forgotten. \ twhib//the world holds its breath
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23:01:34 <boily> `w
23:01:35 <HackEgo> cooperate//"Cooperate" is a common misspelling of "cōöperāte".
23:02:23 <rdococ> If you're using the macron to signal a "long" vowel, then do you need the ending "e"?
23:02:30 <rdococ> cōöperāt.
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23:07:38 <boily> rdochelloc. it's the proper spelling hth
23:08:02 <rdococ> True, but the "e" is there to signal that the preceding vowel is a so-called "long" vowel.
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23:08:37 <rdococ> Also, I like reserving the other diacritic for the umlaut.
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23:16:17 <rdococ> hᵫhᵫhᵫ
23:19:48 * boily gracefully måpōles rdococ
23:21:21 <rdococ> I'm working on a constructed (linguistic) language right now where the umlaut sounds <ü ö ä ë> have shifted from their Germanic equivalents to "iotated" versions of their non-umlauted selves - e.g. <ü> is now /ju/.
23:22:04 <rdococ> where /j/ is a "y" sound like in "yacht".
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23:46:45 <LKoen> a linguistic language
23:46:59 <LKoen> as opposed to a programming progage?
23:48:48 <FireFly> so, diaeresis indicates a preceding /j/ in your orthography?
23:49:09 * FireFly . o O ( ümp )
23:49:24 <FireFly> Hmm, I guess that's not really a /j/ though, never mind
23:50:25 <FireFly> I sometimes pronounce leading j as /j/ instead of /dʒ/ in english, it probably sounds pretty silly
23:52:34 <boily> HELLoen, FirelloFly.
23:54:25 <FireFly> bohily
23:55:29 <alercah> boily: I forgot to apologize for not making it to mahjong:( sorry
23:59:24 <boily> hellorcah! no worries :)
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