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00:20:47 <__kerbal___> Hello oerjan
00:22:28 <__kerbal___> Disregard the __kerbal__ account with only 4 underscores; that's me running on a different computer
00:23:04 <__kerbal___> That, if my hunch is correct, I cannot close right now as I am not nearby
00:25:53 <oerjan> __kerbal__: do you have any comment on this usurpation?
00:26:19 <__kerbal___> I left my baby outside
00:27:02 <oerjan> __kerbal___: /msg nickserv ghost __kerbal__
00:27:19 <__kerbal___> ;msg nickserv ghost
00:27:34 <__kerbal___> What does that do, exactly?
00:27:43 <oerjan> kick __kerbal__ out
00:28:16 <__kerbal___> oh, thanks
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00:28:54 <__kerbal___> There we go
00:29:01 <oerjan> you're welcome
00:29:07 <__kerbal___> Thanks
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00:29:25 <__kerbal__> much better
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00:51:54 <oerjan> __kerbal__: you might try `url wisdom instead.
00:52:08 <__kerbal__> `url wisdom
00:52:09 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom
00:52:39 <__kerbal__> Ok, thanks. You must be reading the logs
00:52:48 <oerjan> HOW DID YOU GUESS
00:53:10 <oerjan> `? oerjan
00:53:11 <HackEgo> Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the indecisive is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His arc-nemesis is Kitty Crocker. He twice punned without noticing it.
00:53:34 <oerjan> or not.
00:54:20 <alercah> `? alercah
00:54:21 <HackEgo> alercah? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:54:25 <__kerbal__> `? Eyes
00:54:26 <alercah> still? I'm unloved
00:54:26 <HackEgo> Eyes and ears and mouth and nose...
00:54:31 <__kerbal__> `? doesthiswork
00:54:33 <HackEgo> no
00:54:36 <__kerbal__> ok
00:54:45 <__kerbal__> now we know
00:57:17 <__kerbal__> `wisdom /̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞ @ 11050:a4fc5115efcf
00:57:18 <HackEgo> That's not wise.
00:58:39 <__kerbal__> `learn In CCCP, esolangs create YOU!
00:58:41 <HackEgo> Relearned 'in': In CCCP, esolangs create YOU!
00:58:49 <__kerbal__> that's not what i intended
00:59:12 <__kerbal__> Now prepositions have fallen to the communists
01:01:10 <__kerbal__> `learn alercah is a person
01:01:12 <HackEgo> Learned 'alercah': alercah is a person
01:02:36 <shachaf> Please stop abusing the bot.
01:02:47 <__kerbal__> sorry
01:02:49 <shachaf> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
01:03:08 <shachaf> `revert 11027
01:03:09 <HackEgo> Done.
01:03:22 <shachaf> All of it bot abuse.
01:03:31 <shachaf> `quote shachaf.*wisdom
01:03:32 <HackEgo> 1298) <shachaf> ais523: Hmm, I think the wisdom database is like the quotes file, except it's for when people think they're being funny, rather than when other people think they're funny.
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01:07:12 <__kerbal___> shachaf: I will use more discretion in the future
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01:09:11 <oerjan> __kerbal__: we have a policy that permanent changes to HackEgo must be done in public.
01:09:32 <__kerbal__> I apologize. I thought that I was sparing you all from bot spam
01:09:46 <shachaf> In order to make you retroactively adhere to that policy, I was forced to make those changes nonpermanent.
01:09:54 <__kerbal__> That makes sense
01:10:04 <__kerbal__> in a temporally strange kind of way
01:10:11 <oerjan> that's a good idea for _reading_ HackEgo stuff, but we like to keep a bit track of what's changing.
01:11:27 <oerjan> and making so many changes to HackEgo that you'd be worried about spamming isn't a good idea either
01:11:37 <__kerbal__> That's fair
01:11:49 <__kerbal__> I apologize
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01:13:28 <shachaf> To be fair, spamming with HackEgo is a popular activity.
01:13:35 <shachaf> There's even a command for it.
01:13:56 <oerjan> also true.
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01:18:22 <oerjan> <alercah> for school? <-- for work, as i recall
01:18:56 <__kerbal__> I do want to do one thing
01:19:27 <__kerbal__> `wisdom alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently
01:19:29 <HackEgo> That's not wise.
01:19:42 <__kerbal__> `? alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently
01:19:44 <HackEgo> alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:19:53 <__kerbal__> `learn alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently
01:19:55 <HackEgo> Learned 'alercah': alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently
01:20:02 <__kerbal__> (sorry, that's what I meant)
01:20:13 <__kerbal__> I didn't mean to spam it that time
01:21:07 <shachaf> you can't always get what you want
01:21:08 <shachaf> `revert
01:21:09 <HackEgo> Done.
01:21:17 <__kerbal__> ok
01:21:18 <shachaf> you gotta ease into it
01:21:27 <__kerbal__> ok
01:26:44 <__kerbal__> my bad
01:30:49 <__kerbal__> got to go
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01:31:27 <oerjan> `le/rn newbie of the month//Newbie of the Month is a traditional #esoteric position. Benefits include gentle mentoring, like having shachaf revert all your wisdom additions.
01:31:30 <HackEgo> Learned 'newbie of the month': Newbie of the Month is a traditional #esoteric position. Benefits include gentle mentoring, like having shachaf revert all your wisdom additions.
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02:09:14 * boily helloes hellørjan
02:09:51 <shachaf> `5 w
02:09:58 <HackEgo> 1/1:turing//Turing is what you are doing when you Tur. \ the u//The U are a very mad people. \ csv//CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values \ oren's font//\oren\'s font neoletters is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm \ lachine//Unholy portal to China, closely guarded from Ëvil by Roujo.
02:10:08 <shachaf> oerjan: One of those was a wisdom replacement.
02:10:10 <shachaf> `? in
02:10:12 <HackEgo> In 1492 Jesus sailed the ocean blue.
02:10:14 <shachaf> `dowg in
02:10:22 <HackEgo> 11053:2017-06-29 <shachäf> revert 11027 \ 11051:2017-06-28 <__kerbal_̈_> learn In CCCP, esolangs create YOU! \ 10539:2017-03-28 <shachäf> slwd in//s/Columbus/Jesus/ \ 7445:2016-04-17 <b_jonäs> learn In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. \ 7444:2016-04-17 <b_jonäs> learn In your dreams, sucker!
02:10:36 <shachaf> `forget in
02:10:38 <HackEgo> Forget what?
02:10:47 <boily> helloochaforget.
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02:31:42 <oerjan> what i just missed boily
02:32:43 <shachaf> obscunguage hellomanteau averted
02:33:03 <oerjan> `slwd lachine//s,U,Lachine is an u,
02:33:05 <HackEgo> lachine//Lachine is an unholy portal to China, closely guarded from Ëvil by Roujo.
02:34:18 <oerjan> `learn In just a few months, you may be able to apply `learn properly.
02:34:21 <HackEgo> Learned 'in': In just a few months, you may be able to apply `learn properly.
02:34:29 <shachaf> `revert
02:36:51 <oerjan> also, i have been too lazy to find obscure languanteaus for a while.
02:37:11 <shachaf> that didn't work as intended tdnh
02:38:04 <oerjan> what did you intend, a quick kickban?
02:38:40 <shachaf> a quick swat
02:39:07 <oerjan> that wouldn't be abusing my op powers tdnh
02:39:19 <shachaf> quickban
02:39:25 <shachaf> kick
02:39:56 <oerjan> irssi has a command for quickbans, i forgot what it was called.
02:40:16 <oerjan> of course it's not that quick when i need to get ops first.
02:40:36 <oerjan> (and also keep them until the ban expires)
02:42:27 <shachaf> you can get it to auto-op you when you use an op command, and auto-unop when you haven't used one for some duration
02:42:58 <oerjan> probably, somehow.
02:44:31 <shachaf> I mean, I don't know how.
02:44:34 <shachaf> But I've seen it done.
02:53:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52331&oldid=52313 * Qwertyu63 * (+2229)
02:54:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52332&oldid=52331 * Qwertyu63 * (+68)
02:58:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52333&oldid=52332 * Qwertyu63 * (+256)
02:58:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52334&oldid=52333 * Qwertyu63 * (-7)
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03:06:11 <shachaf> Cale: One time I made a LISP macro cr that could be used as (cr addad x)
03:06:22 <shachaf> Also the whole cadadr thing is a scow convention.
03:07:21 <shachaf> I suppose it describes a path in a binary tree, from right to left.
03:08:00 <Cale> yeah, it's just a really bizarre way to write a binary string
03:09:08 <shachaf> "hash consing" is a scow name imo
03:09:15 <shachaf> Do you like hash tables?
03:09:23 <shachaf> I think they're pretty neat.
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03:43:44 <Cale> I've never been a huge fan of data structures which rely on incomprehensibility
03:43:54 <Cale> They are neat in their own way though
03:44:08 <Cale> I just... find it hard to trust them very much
03:45:06 <shachaf> incomprehensibility?
03:45:08 * oerjan pokes Cale with a finger tree
03:47:36 <shachaf> Do you mean that you can't tell much about x from H(x)?
04:01:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52335&oldid=52334 * Qwertyu63 * (+156)
04:03:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52336&oldid=52335 * Qwertyu63 * (-58)
04:06:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52337&oldid=52336 * Qwertyu63 * (+4)
04:08:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52338&oldid=52337 * Qwertyu63 * (-42)
04:08:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52339&oldid=52338 * Qwertyu63 * (+0)
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12:54:47 <wob_jonas> the non-esoteric language website http://python.org is down
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13:35:22 <wob_jonas> hi, ais523
13:35:41 <APic> Heya
13:37:13 <ais523> hi
13:37:54 <wob_jonas> do you happen to know anything about the computational power of StackFlow with only a limited number of stacks (two or three) but an unlimited number of symbols?
13:38:20 <ais523> not offhand; I know it doesn't need very many stacks to be TC (single digits), but don't know what the precise minimum number is
13:39:09 <ais523> the cyclic tag interpreter uses six stacks, one of which is used purely for I/O and thus doesn't affect Turing-completeness
13:39:16 <ais523> so the necessary number is ≤ 5
13:39:21 <ais523> also we know it can't be TC with 1 stack
13:39:23 <ais523> so it's 2, 3, 4, or 5
13:39:50 <wob_jonas> or also the computational power of a machine with two stacks, an unlimited number of symbols, such that if you pop the second stack then the core state is a function of the popped symbol (like in StackFlow) but if you pop the first stack then the core state is a function of the pair of the previous state and the popped symbol (like in a normal mult
13:39:50 <wob_jonas> i-stack machine)?
13:40:17 <ais523> you might be interested in The Amnesiac From Minsk, which is basically the same idea but for counters
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13:41:00 <wob_jonas> hmm... I'll try to re-read how that works, but here I'm not trying to limit the number of (tape/stack) symbols
13:42:08 <ais523> right
13:42:16 <ais523> I assume you have some application in mind for this?
13:43:14 <wob_jonas> I'm trying to invent an esolang that so far I can only prove turing-complete because it can simulate a two-stack machine (not a stack-flow one, but one with proper persistent state for both stacks),
13:43:31 <wob_jonas> but I'm trying to figure out if there are other ways to prove it turing-complete
13:43:38 <ais523> huh, actually I'm reminded a lot of Incident too
13:43:42 <ais523> (not the silly parsing stuff but the data storage)
13:45:25 <wob_jonas> using the two stacks isn't a practical way to write programs, I know a much more practical way, only that one might not be Turing-complete technically, because even though I can random access lots of memory that way (the amount of memory grows very quickly in the size of the program), I'm not sure I can access an unbounded amount of memory with a f
13:45:25 <wob_jonas> ixed program.
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13:59:16 <ais523> you could use the stacks to store a single counter with multiply and divide operations; that gives you the infinite storage you need
13:59:25 <ais523> and then only use it when you absolutely had to
13:59:46 <ais523> in fact, you can use one stack to store the counter, using the other as a temporary to multiply and divide it
13:59:56 <ais523> and use the other for whatever you like, except in the middle of a multiply/divide operaiton
14:00:02 <ais523> *operation
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14:07:10 <wob_jonas> ah, trying to reduce to a counter machine. might work.
14:14:51 <ais523> you could alternatively use both as a tape, but then you wouldn't be able to use them for other things too
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16:48:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52340&oldid=52339 * Qwertyu63 * (+143)
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18:11:20 <shachaf> oerjan: whoops, meant to oerjan++ yesterday but forgot
18:11:24 <shachaf> tmnhh
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20:10:26 <wob_jonas> ais523: four stacks for StackFlow are enough for Turing-completeness, and you don't even need counter machines for that
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21:46:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Zeryx]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52341 * Conor O'Brien * (+2365) Created page with "'''Zeryx''' is a simple language designed by [[User:Conor O'Brien]]. Suppose a program in this language is referred to as '''S'''. '''N''' starts at 0. Then, the commands of..."
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