< 1501373215 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jokingly posted a screenshot of trying to install Oculus Home on Windows 3.1, and now people are making Windows 3.1 jokes that go over my head < 1501373587 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens to me all the time < 1501373596 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually because memes < 1501374414 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501375087 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@177.47.27.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501375263 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@177.47.27.242 PART #esoteric : < 1501376266 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1501376546 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? copumpkin < 1501376547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. < 1501376559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin 2010 imo < 1501376563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 2020 < 1501376944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pumpkin < 1501376945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1501377068 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( no. wisdom must be kept free of trump jokes. ) < 1501377078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp trump < 1501377086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1501377092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1501377093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you play bridge? < 1501377097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1501377098 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1501377121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, never tried. i don't don't have the patience for remembering what cards other people have... < 1501377123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s!prog!bridge, &! < 1501377125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, bridge, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involv < 1501377126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-don't < 1501377134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1501377136 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1501377137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1501377145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tanebvention list is too long. < 1501377164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1501377167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cognac < 1501377168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list. < 1501377399 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it was a bridge too far. ) < 1501377433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushrooms < 1501377434 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1501377466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep mush < 1501377473 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11001:2017-06-06 slwd tanebvention//s/, sa/, mushrooms&/ < 1501377489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not that old < 1501377547 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fueue < 1501377548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fueue? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1501377564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep fueue < 1501377571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1501377571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1501377576 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep Fueue < 1501377582 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8817:2016-07-15 sled wisdom/tanebvention//s/the/Fueue, the/ < 1501377596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than a year old < 1501377671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? special relativity < 1501377672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :special relativity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1501377686 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp relativi < 1501377688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention:Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1501377707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grWp relativi < 1501377709 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ex. < 1501377729 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loses motivation < 1501377922 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg tgtgtgtg < 1501377929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8823:2016-07-16 le/rn tgtgtgtg/This gizmo talks gibberish too garbled to grasp. < 1501378520 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtmzjniwbrgvbsds QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1501378745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1501382309 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? necessity < 1501382310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it. < 1501382829 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501383057 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501383104 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1501383574 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501384302 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1501387170 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501387306 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bangs head against wall. < 1501387612 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION repairs the drywall < 1501387620 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be $400 for labor and materials < 1501388728 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands quintopia a half-opened jar of mayo. < 1501389895 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to make up a new kind of astrological house system (such as a "photographic system", for example)? < 1501390013 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/sQH9 well, we're getting there. < 1501390155 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I could get closer to what I want by encoding explicit traversals. < 1501390159 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :left, right, up. < 1501390748 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did NoCD hacks exist in the Windows 3.1 days? < 1501391210 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501391401 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1501391755 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501391922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501392047 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501393006 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1501394203 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: plenty of tricks were used back in the win3.1 days. < 1501394221 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest? < 1501394247 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it completely depended on your application. < 1501394255 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud < 1501394271 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1501394309 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a game working in DOSBox but it required mount -t cdrom < 1501394318 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure if I can just... do that in IA < 1501394328 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to take a crack at it. < 1501394354 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1501394360 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw me the files. < 1501394361 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/details/stop-the-rock < 1501394371 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my lmao. < 1501394392 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it to run in the emularity_win31 image by copying the install files while also having the CD mounted < 1501394404 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran the installer, the real installer choked but then just had it run ROCK31.EXE < 1501394425 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that is a predicament. < 1501394508 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does it actually check whether a CD is inserted. < 1501394512 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1501394516 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it check which one. < 1501394520 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1501394524 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it. < 1501394539 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount some dummy iso. use an arch linux one if you're desperate. :P < 1501394545 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a puppy linux one or something. < 1501394645 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please insert your Stop the Rock! CD and try again < 1501394647 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders something. < 1501394660 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you just ship the ISO along with the game and then in the bat file, mount it from the c: drive. < 1501394667 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can edit runapp.bat, that's trivial. < 1501394716 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the mount command will be able to find the file. I don't know how the fake filesystem works.... wait, I have a thought < 1501394735 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw the ISO into the C:\ drive, it'll work. < 1501394745 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosbox iirc always resolves paths. < 1501394751 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the real path will be /emulator/c/something I think < 1501394755 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm. < 1501394770 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just do mount -t whatever C:\foobar\whatever.iso < 1501394790 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the command line options for mounting an iso. < 1501394811 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be C:\foobar < 1501394817 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be /emulator/c/whatever.iso < 1501394820 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1501394840 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use either. C:\ is just the extracted contents of your izp. < 1501394841 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zip. < 1501394853 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the contents of your zip contains the install CD... < 1501394861 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an ISO format... the mount command can find it. < 1501394883 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, give me a second, I'll test this. < 1501394887 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll also have to put the emularity image in C < 1501394905 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The installer needs to install quicktime, and does it into the Windows directory < 1501394911 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it just needs quicktime in its path, hmm < 1501395047 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so you can load the ISO directly from a mounted path like C:\ < 1501395052 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing with this unix path crap. < 1501395060 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it via imgmount. < 1501395127 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the path to the CD is C:\whatever.iso, just do imgmount e: "C:\whatever.iso" -t iso < 1501395133 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think to save space I can use mount < 1501395138 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's mounted on e: < 1501395218 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried it and I can view the ISO and such. not sure if it does anything more clever than that, but you can probably designate e: as your CD drive via another mount command. < 1501395240 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk. < 1501396346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52563&oldid=52559 5* 03LyricLy 5* (+76) 10 < 1501396637 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1501399009 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1501399329 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501399570 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501408915 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1501409019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1501410227 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1501410233 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) elliott: there go my minutes of research!! \ 613) * oerjan concludes that unsafeCoerce has no effect on strictness < 1501410281 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 < 1501410282 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1: < 1501410285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1501410287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1501410288 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:735) they call finnish human-readable? < 1501410289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1501410290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :744) Gregor: i watched the first episode of MLP [...] Gregor: it wasn't bad, but there was very little sex and violence < 1501411224 0 :PattuX!uid129971@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alhvrnzazlipdcst JOIN :#esoteric < 1501411813 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-168-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501411957 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-32-34.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1501412027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501412379 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9925:ece6:4878:a1ac JOIN :#esoteric < 1501413440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get it. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0935.html meant "intelligence" in the other sense of the word. < 1501413485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1501413486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :753) This quote is boring < 1501413491 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't like that behavior. < 1501413521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ` < 1501413523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] < 1501413529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does vampire Durkon speak with a grave accent? < 1501415016 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501416701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Do you understand non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs? Do you know what makes them tricky? < 1501418308 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( who'd have thought that a crazy recurrence like a(n+1,k) = (k-1)*a(n,k-1) + 2*k*a(n,k) + (k+1)*a(n,k+1); a(0,1) = 1, a(0,k) = 0 otherwise would have a nice solution: a(n,k) = n! * C(n+1,k) ) < 1501418477 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that gives a(0,0) = 1, but the rest is correct. < 1501419074 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1501419168 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9925:ece6:4878:a1ac QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1501421531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501421542 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" newsham: Do you understand non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs? Do you know what makes them tricky?" replay attacks would be my guess < 1501423234 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501424830 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-111-28.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501424869 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hioily < 1501424932 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-168-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1501425827 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501427762 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1501427928 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas! < 1501428607 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PERFECT CHICKEN < 1501428932 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This electric stove and oven is great at cooking food, but the interface is horrible. The built-in digital timer has five buttons but such a stupid interface that I genuinely couldn't figure out how to work it without reading the manual twice. < 1501428996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The buttons are small, so you can't operate them in oven mittens (gloves). The display for the timer is leds, so it's impossible to read when sunlight is glaring in from the window. They could just make it an LCD display without backlight, because almost nobody cooks in the dark. < 1501429030 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the plastic knobs for the stove and oven, they're really hard to keep clean. < 1501429046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So is the door of the oven, but that'd be hard to fix.) < 1501429121 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, it's probably not the worst interface I've ever seen. My brother has an electric stove with no oven built in, and it's operated by touch buttons that are in the same plane as the stove and the kitchen desk, so you can press them accidentally too easy by < 1501429141 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to use the stove top as storage place when it's not in use. < 1501429222 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-100.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501429310 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-111-28.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501430817 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-16-150.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501430859 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-100.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1501431261 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the house where I am we have a stove with six buttons; one is for the time of day, one is for a timer, and one is for setting the temperature of the oven, but I do not know what the other three buttons are for. < 1501431982 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ QUIT :K-Lined < 1501432050 0 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1501432199 0 :rdococ!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com QUIT :Changing host < 1501432199 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1501432216 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canon is distributing user manual for their product as a self-extracting zip archive. What are they even thinking? < 1501432249 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-157-15.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501432259 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one button for setting the temperature? does it cycle through temperatures and you have to be careful how many times you press it to turn it off? or is it a turnable knob? < 1501432268 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/knob/dial/ < 1501432352 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-16-150.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501432435 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, all versions of windows since windows 98 have a zip extractor built into explorer, there are third party zip extractor programs available too, and I doubt they have drivers for their scanner for that old versions of windows. < 1501432464 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I admit this is a type of scanner that's at least six years old, not exactly state of art thing, but still. < 1501432578 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the manual did answer my question though. < 1501432585 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was looking for specs.) < 1501433084 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a command here that looks up pokemon? < 1501433088 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pokedex cubone < 1501433093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pokemon cubone < 1501433101 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokemon cubone < 1501433101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokemon: not found < 1501433104 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokedex cubone < 1501433105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokedex: not found < 1501433109 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokédex cubone < 1501433110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokédex: not found < 1501433112 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokémon cubone < 1501433112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokémon: not found < 1501433294 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: There is a separate dial that you can turn to control the value of the function you have selected; the buttons only select the function. < 1501433322 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah < 1501433356 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any function is cancelled by pushing that button twice in quick succession. < 1501433437 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also the oven has a light that shows when the oven is still heating, and has a buzzer for timed alarms, but it doesn't have a way to ring the buzzer when the oven has reached the required temperature, you just have to watch the light for that. < 1501433491 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hear other ovens can do that.) < 1501433620 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had once also oven that didn't make the noise when the temperature is reached but this one (that I just described) does have the noise for that. < 1501433949 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No buzzer for reaching the temperature alone doesn't bother me. I remember back when gas ovens not only didn't have electronic timers, but also had no electric power at all, so not only did you have to light the gas stove with a match, you also had to do some magic with a long match and a small hole to light the oven. < 1501434028 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the combination where it already has a (presumably non-electronic) heat sensor, an indicator light for that sensor, a microcontroller and buttons for the timer, and a buzzer, but they didn't bother to connect the heat sensor indicator output to the microcontroller. < 1501434035 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what annoys me. < 1501434209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find it normal when you have to light a modern gas stove with matches (or a gas lighter with long neck), because stove spark plugs are apparently abused so much by the food that accidentally gets on them that they always have a shorter life time than the stove. < 1501434249 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is opposed to the sparker in an oven or water boiler or convection heater, which are in hard to reach places and so live for long enough. < 1501437905 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1501438523 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-27-228.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501438624 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-157-15.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501438780 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1501439128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501439357 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1501440338 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that header fields starting with "X-" is now deprecated, but I think that should not always be avoided; you should still use "X-" in cases where the header will never be standardized perhaps because it is specified to one specific program. < 1501440579 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you add my "MIXPC" implementation into esolang wiki once I make it available? Once is added, will also be added any description of the nonstandard I/O devices that it implements (music, random number generator, real time clock, and lights)? < 1501440642 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a wiki, you can just add it yourself. just make it clear which extensions don't come from Knuth. < 1501440690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lights? there's already a traffic light extension, and presumably even a standard MIX machine will have a front panel with blinking lights showing some of the processor state. < 1501440718 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a real time clock extension too in the book < 1501440728 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a memory-mapped counter) < 1501440774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which book and which section? < 1501440785 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do know where the traffic lights are described, but not the clock) < 1501440807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes if I add into the wiki I will certainly make it clear which extensions are non-standard of course < 1501440816 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clock is described in the machine with the system memory protection and interrupt. let me look up where exactly. < 1501440918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIXPC does have the front panel with the processor state too (although you can hide it if you wish, which I put in for purpose of computer games with hidden information, but it also causes it to execute much faster because it does not need to redraw the processor state after each instruction). < 1501440919 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-122-184.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501440972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch 1.4.4 exercise 18, memory location -10 is real time clock, automatically decreases by 1 every 1000 clock cycles, raises interrupt when becomes zero < 1501441007 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-27-228.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1501441108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although my implementation in MIXPC is different; it is a I/O device and accesses the current time of day, with hours, minutes, and seconds, in separate bytes. < 1501441115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has a record size of 1) < 1501441181 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a calendar clock? ok < 1501441185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall clock < 1501441221 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the hours, minutes, and seconds? nothing sub-second or date? < 1501441375 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes only hours, minutes, and seconds. (Although if I increase the record size to 2 then I can also include date) < 1501441465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52564&oldid=49840 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+41) 10 < 1501441495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien/Essays14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52565 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+70) 10Created page with "Index of "essays" pertaining to esolangs are listed here. (none yet.)" < 1501441532 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any useful programs for this MIX machine? useful in the wide sense that is, so it might include ports of games or something < 1501441566 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still simulate the traffic light program on MIXPC though, since it will (by default) display the contents of the rX register, and you can push O to toggle the overflow flag (which is also displayed). However, it just runs as fast as it does and doesn't deal with time, so you may want to modify the traffic light program to use the clock device for timing in this case. < 1501441586 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Currently, no, although you are free to write some; all standard stuff works other than floating-point and paper tape. < 1501441613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you implement the shift, multiply, divide, and compare instructions now? < 1501441631 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the conversion instructions < 1501441646 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does implement those now. < 1501441663 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1501441664 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52566&oldid=52564 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+3) 10eh forgot == < 1501441665 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I fixed the other bugs too, including some that you didn't mention) < 1501441675 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good < 1501441686 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tested with some of the larger example programs from volumes 1 to 3? < 1501441695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien/Essays14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52567&oldid=52565 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+70) 10 < 1501441719 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might need to get an assembler for that) < 1501441760 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-122-184.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501441791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have volumes 1 and 2 and they are due on August 2, but yes that would be a good idea I suppose. (But anyone with DOS, a DOS emulator, or a way to compile the BASIC program for other computers, will be able to test that) < 1501441792 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-169-205.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1501441831 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will release the .EXE file too so that you do not need the compiler if you do not wish to modify the program, but also the source file) < 1501441939 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading the program works by loading a card deck in the card reader (the card deck file has one card per line), and then return to the main screen and push G to read the first card at address 0 and start executing from address 0. < 1501442001 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the same as the loading mechanism mentioned in the book.) < 1501442025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but how do you assemble the program? have you written an assembler, or do I have to use one written by someone else? is the format of how you represent cards and tapes and disk in DOS flies documented? < 1501442112 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not (yet) written an assembler. I might do so though, maybe. It does document the format of cards and tapes and disk (the document is actually incomplete, which is why I have not released the program yet, but by Thursday it should be complete.) < 1501442142 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck? how is the side of this sign distorted nonlinearly on this photo? this lens is of a medium angle and I don't think it has a nonlinear distortion, and the sign is stone so it can't be curved < 1501442178 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there seems to be like five pixels of curvature in the right hand side of the plaque < 1501442227 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just described the file format it uses for card decks, so you should be able to make card decks in such file format (or convert from other formats) even now if you want to do. < 1501442346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. the card is the most important, but will you also describe the format for the other IO devices? < 1501442374 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can I see that description for the cards? < 1501442423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Debuggerex.png10]]": An example of a brainfuck debugger. < 1501442491 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have it on this computer yet (on Thursday I will show you). The magnetic tape and disk just use the internal format of the program, which is six bytes per MIX word for fields 0 to 5, the sign (field 0) is 0 for positive and 1 for negative. < 1501442569 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printer uses the same format as cards but the width is more. (If you try to read a file written for printer output by the card reader, you will get only the first 80 columns and the rest will be ignored.) < 1501442596 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501442640 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When specifying the filename for the printer, you may specify "LPT1:" to use a printer connected to your computer. < 1501442686 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typewriter is interactive only and does not use files. < 1501442777 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but how are the characters represented on the cards? < 1501442781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII < 1501442800 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a carriage return and line feed after each card) < 1501442812 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, character set reminds me, there was something strange... < 1501442879 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A column with positions 11 and 0 punched ("negative zero") should be represented as character code 233. < 1501442904 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, fine < 1501443007 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You may need this if you are using the loader program described in the book. However, you are not limited to that loader program; you can use whatever loader program you want.) < 1501443013 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so delta is character code 233? ok < 1501443040 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it represents a theta; there is no uppercase delta in the PC character set. < 1501443068 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1501443145 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@119.81.29.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501443250 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@119.81.29.178 PART #esoteric : < 1501443402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, for card input, any line that does not have enough columns will still be read; the rest of the columns are considered to be spaces.) < 1501443791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Theta also makes some sense because it can resemble theta by overstriking a minus sign with zero; according to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Blue-punch-card-front-horiz.png it is even matching the Hollerith character code for minus sign and for zero.) < 1501443972 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-169-205.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501444945 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501445705 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! I started gimp, and it threw up a ton of message boxes in quick succession, apparently in an infinite loop. < 1501445764 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written a assembler for MIX programs? < 1501445819 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't. I think other people have. I think even Knuth has written one, though possibly not an assembler that runs on MIX itself < 1501445963 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what output formats are used? < 1501446191 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output format for the assembler should be the loader input < 1501446202 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input format is MIXAL, which is described in vol 1 < 1501446221 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know the input is MIXAL < 1501446222 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, do you mean what the non-MIX assemblers output? < 1501446224 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1501446240 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean what files the non-MIX implementations of MIXAL will output < 1501446258 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to use with MIXPC, the output also needs to include the loader card(s), otherwise it won't work. < 1501446280 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, so include the loader cards < 1501446337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: How do you mean? < 1501446419 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess "zero-knowledge" by itself doesn't imply that, but sometimes you want a proof that proves that you know something (like a private key) but without giving a way for others to give the same proof too. < 1501446429 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are interactive zero-knowledge proofs with that property < 1501446519 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fun one is described in Wettl Ferenc's chapter in ed. Hraskó András: ''Új matematikai mozaik'', a popular maths book which introduces many people here to zero-knowledge proofs < 1501446526 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that chapter does < 1501446531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it introduces you to other maths stuff as well < 1501447837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1501448396 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501449966 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18cd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.205 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1501450598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien/Essays/Programming in Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52569 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+10284) 10Created page with "== Introduction == Brainfuck is a Turing tarpit, meaning it has few commands, but maintains status of "Turing complete", that is, being able to compute anything computable by..." < 1501452090 0 :tuu!~tuu@91.109.20.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501452104 0 :tuu!~tuu@91.109.20.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1501452117 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome tuu < 1501452118 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1501452142 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@158.85.67.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501452304 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@158.85.67.146 PART #esoteric : < 1501453138 0 :goeo_!~quassel@2607:5300:120:45e::7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501453245 0 :goeo_!~quassel@2607:5300:120:45e::7 PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." < 1501454801 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1501455012 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501455156 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1938@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1501455487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1501455727 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1501455729 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp//tmp/ is a directory for files that are not worth saving in HackEgo history, but which should still outlive a single command. 04NOTE: It interacts funnily with HackEgo's lock and re-run commit check; files can 04DISAPPEAR if you don't know what you're doing. Basically, don't modify files inside and outside tmp/ in the same HackEgo command. < 1501455761 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I need more levity. < 1501455763 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1501455764 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo//Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. < 1501455772 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1501456068 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1501457910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1501458387 0 :molum!?@? NICK :ybden < 1501458989 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Long-held predictions about the nature of < 1501458989 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particles and gravity have been proven startlingly < 1501458989 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct by experiment, which sucks." < 1501458992 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1938@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What text layout engine does firefox on debian use? < 1501459062 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...