block :P
< 1503160267 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(woah there went the afternoon.)
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< 1503161538 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo
< 1503161667 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( note to self, what's an unsigned natural number, wouldn't that suggest that there are signed ones as well? )
< 1503161699 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned complex numbers
< 1503161777 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Concept: implicit CPS, which is made explicit to the callee. the callee receives a continuation as the final argument, and must call it to return - but the caller wouldn't pass it explicitly.
< 1503161861 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, you'll have call/cc everywhere
< 1503161872 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1503161897 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the callee doesn't call the continuation, execution halts
< 1503161904 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more goto/cc
< 1503161923 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where's the fun in that
< 1503161985 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fun starts when you have several continutations to choose from. oh and of course when you use the same continuation more than once)
< 1503162004 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1503162018 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "fun" I mean the kind that usually requires mind-altering drugs.
< 1503162049 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can force other functions to return to other continuations from further back in the call stack
< 1503162134 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say you have add(x, y15, return) that calls return with x+y. then you could have add5(x15, return) { add(x, 5, return); } rather than return(add(x, 5));
< 1503162233 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could also be multiple-continuation syntax like you said - e.g. if(condition) { cont1 } else { cont2 } cont3
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< 1503163333 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :imodee!!
< 1503163338 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :imodium
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< 1503163370 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuup.
< 1503163383 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuuuuuuuuup.
< 1503163384 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup.
< 1503163393 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky is up
< 1503163436 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just found out that there's another of these big image editing libraries, called G'MIC, at http://gmic.eu/ , which is sort of like ImageMagick in that it goes for scriptability, but even more so, and also has GUI plugins for Gimp and Krita
< 1503163442 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely worth to know about
< 1503163445 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^
< 1503163685 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs stacks and heaps and call queues when you have the DATA SOUP?! :P
< 1503163778 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need trees, because they're more general
< 1503163952 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but soups can be reactive
< 1503163956 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen G'MIC
< 1503164018 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. I'd never heard of it until a few days ago for some reason
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< 1503165187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add a Halt CLUT program inyo my Farbfeld Utilities (actually, two such programs; one makes the identity and one applies it)
< 1503165487 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what's a Halt CLUT?
< 1503165578 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLUT = 'color lookup table', but no clue about the "halt".
< 1503165638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Halt CLUT/Hald CLUT/
< 1503165649 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/color_mods/#hald-clut
< 1503165667 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit too slow :P
< 1503165686 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1503166449 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1503167238 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hereafter
< 1503167239 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereafter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503167240 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hereunder
< 1503167241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereunder? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503167242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thereof
< 1503167243 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thereof? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503167243 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? set forth
< 1503167244 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set forth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503167263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hereinafter
< 1503167264 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereinafter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503167490 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made the program, ff-apclut ff-idclut
< 1503168209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 456
< 1503168210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 456: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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< 1503174264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moo
< 1503174265 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo is the sound made by a cow as it freezes.
< 1503174277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1? mud
< 1503174279 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mud
< 1503174280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mud? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503174298 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mmo
< 1503174299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503175388 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mud
< 1503175389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mud? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1503175401 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1503175402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate.
< 1503175448 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody has any recommendations for a book about game design?
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< 1503175967 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a particular kind of game you're interested in?
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< 1503176099 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a specific way. i like games with a high replay factor a lot
< 1503176109 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big fan of rogue likes n stuff
< 1503176147 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar
< 1503176157 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is your target board/card games only, or video games only? games with mostly well-defined rules, or games requiring an imaginative game master who comes up with scenarios?
< 1503176182 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily video games
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< 1503176500 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the wiki go down again?
< 1503176528 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1503176534 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it
< 1503176536 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was up an hour ago
< 1503176541 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik
< 1503176653 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it's just a temporary problem. fizzie?
< 1503176671 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: seems like it might be working now.
< 1503176694 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1503177014 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's down
< 1503177487 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk what to do
< 1503177724 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1503177853 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting someone else to talk
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< 1503178108 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki is up.
< 1503178128 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`is-wiki-up
< 1503178219 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just delete every crappy shitty esolang I have?
< 1503178252 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones?
< 1503178274 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them excluding QWOP, HI9+, Rule and Mindscrew
< 1503178346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: http://magiccards.info/mi/en/48.html
< 1503178438 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. esplangs are like spells so I want to uncast my shitty ones.
< 1503178476 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the esolangs will still exist no matter what. that's why it's dangerous to even think of brainfuck-alikes.
< 1503178506 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird how my brainfuck-alike is my best esolang yet, then
< 1503178536 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably disown esolangs though
< 1503178559 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to travel back in time and kill my past self before he even thinks of making shitty langs
< 1503178583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "disavow" them, which sounds much fancier
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< 1503178646 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what do you think of a lang where every call is a call/cc? every function gets passed its continuation to it, and it has to call that continuation to return
< 1503178673 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better is you can explicitly call it with a different continuation and it'll return there instead
< 1503178688 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 'Assignless' is a nice language.
< 1503178700 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, maybe
< 1503178704 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never fleshed it out enough
< 1503178734 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could stick some of my better ideas together, but idk how assignlessness plus first-class continuations would work...well, actually it might work
< 1503178940 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think assignless and first-class continuations fit well together.
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< 1503179148 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayb
< 1503179149 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1503179610 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/zserik/280f3126e2141d7bad223c3c1e9a1b9d
< 1503179749 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1503180031 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1503180084 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google dykyabc
< 1503180086 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://disneykid08.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/dykyabc/
< 1503180264 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe (parameter1, parameter2, k) and have "self" as some hidden function-local variable?
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< 1503180350 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that there's a programming language called 'Self'?
< 1503180496 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wasn't Self a non-eso object-oriented programming language?
< 1503180523 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At one point a version of Smalltalk was implemented in Self."
< 1503180526 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Self was a dialect of Smalltalk"
< 1503180533 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. the. actual. lol :P
< 1503180567 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: prototype based, if you care about the difference; and it was basically a research language, so kind of esoteric
< 1503180587 0 :wob_jonas!b03f187d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1503180623 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My question is: should 'self' (or 'this'; as an variable) be implicit, and the continuation an explicit? That seems a little bit inconsistent.
< 1503180651 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIUC, the most significant influence was the Hotspot VM which borrowed techniques from Self's JIT compiler.
< 1503180665 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'self' and 'continuation' are different concepts. I think a function should be able to call itself without too much in the way.
< 1503180703 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the syntax could be "function (x, y, z) k { ... }" (where x, y and z are parameters and k is the continuation), just as syntactic sugar
< 1503180993 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, on the explicit/implicit end-of-function return, I think it should be explicitly required - otherwise the program will have nowhere to flow to and will hatl.
< 1503180995 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :halt*.
< 1503181261 0 :zseri!5e86d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.210.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated.
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