< 1504051259 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504051481 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504051481 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: VOCAL CHICKEN < 1504051500 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504051572 0 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504051572 0 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1504051572 0 :[io]!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504051681 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504051761 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504051825 0 :[io]!?@? NICK :iovoi < 1504051852 0 :iovoi!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1504051862 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swedish chef goes bork bork bork < 1504051882 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid program that eats all memory goes brk brk brk < 1504051966 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rdococ eats both < 1504052142 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1504052679 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'm not aware of any languages, but a naive tree data structure will get you that < 1504052691 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :re list insertion < 1504053261 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504053286 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pair is kinda like a binary tree if you think hard enough < 1504053960 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: is there a program which enables overstrike? < 1504053970 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/enables/allows/ < 1504054011 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab⌫⌫yay < 1504054257 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't know if any font rendering really does it these days < 1504054278 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1504054454 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm far from certain there isn't < 1504054461 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: does your font do combining characters? < 1504054472 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I mean, you can do a lot with combining characters < 1504054484 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even make regex parse html! < 1504054511 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yey < 1504054768 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how about an esolang with string formatting like that? e.g. "b\Bbo\Bol\Bld\Bd, u\B_n\B_d\B_e\B_r\B_l\B_i\B_n\B_e\B_, s\B-t\B-r\B-i\B-k\B-e\B-t\B-h\B-r\B-o\B-u\B-g\B-h\B-" < 1504054768 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\B" could be replaced with something like "^H". < 1504054768 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504054784 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1504054872 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1504054882 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that formatting system is kinda unwieldy :P < 1504054909 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1504054952 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. how about \b for the special backspace, \r for carriage return, and \f for line feed? < 1504054993 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good bro < 1504055044 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1504055045 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1504055050 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lymia < 1504055159 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1504055163 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. what if \CR was carriage return and \LF was line feed? then the overstriking backspace character would be \BS. < 1504055201 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also considering ^M for carriage return < 1504055270 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504055340 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other idea I had was having reserved variables for BS, CR and LF, and you would use a concatenation operator on them. < 1504055365 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "abc" + CR + "___" would be an easy underlining method. < 1504056332 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504057777 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no italic, though. < 1504057977 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504058225 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504058703 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1504059218 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504059473 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504059973 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504060163 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504061368 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504061617 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504062206 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504063995 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit. I wish redis supported empty keys. < 1504064002 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, empty lists and hashes. < 1504064111 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504064180 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504064600 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504064732 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote int-e: Did you *have* to post that link? I'm on vacation, I can't afford to get stuck by a flash game for the rest of it. fizzie: you can save it for later, when you're back at work < 1504064736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1314) int-e: Did you *have* to post that link? I'm on vacation, I can't afford to get stuck by a flash game for the rest of it. fizzie: you can save it for later, when you're back at work < 1504064883 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504065058 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504065058 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1504065058 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504065413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? just intonation < 1504065414 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad-tempered people can be recognized by just intonation. < 1504066777 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: printf 'h\bh_\bi\n' | less < 1504066839 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that style of formatting was used sometimes in fortune files < 1504069418 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d7ywqz/create-a-game-within-a-game-using-shenzhen-io < 1504069929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there a language where inserting lists into lists is equivalent to inserting each element at the corresponding position? <-- perl < 1504069977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print 1,2,((3,4),5) < 1504069978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 < 1504070007 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1504070007 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1504070091 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504070109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: ^ < 1504070215 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1504070431 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504070931 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language where the keys in associative arrays can be any type, including other arrays, functions and whatnot? < 1504071034 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lua can do that < 1504071056 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it wouldn't really work out because lua tables and stuff are kinda weird < 1504071081 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504071375 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504071395 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504071526 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504071961 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504072500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes scott aaronson would stop mixing math and politics in the same post. < 1504072582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the politics ruins the comment sections which are usually so good when there's just math < 1504072605 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was the maths about < 1504072630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest P vs NP proof attempt by Blum < 1504072686 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! < 1504072843 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if you haven't spotted the latest astronomy rumor http://www.nature.com/news/rumours-swell-over-new-kind-of-gravitational-wave-sighting-1.22482 < 1504073175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, it may be that without neutron stars, we'd have neither gold nor nuclear bombs... < 1504073626 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504073752 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504074364 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504074651 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504074814 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU GOOGLE YOU SHIT COMPANY WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING UP YOUTUBE < 1504074830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fix youtube, it is fucked up < 1504074907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly there are only 4 youtube videos per row, next to abunch of empty space < 1504074923 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that empty space for? < 1504075047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i get six < 1504075123 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you haven't been selected for a "trial" of their new, fucked, layout < 1504075207 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they included a "restore old youtube" button < 1504075216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing that shit so fast < 1504075234 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel like screaming. To everybody. < 1504075396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504075546 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is google's new motto "we must secure the existence of out ad revenue stream and a future of huge empty white spaces in graphic design" < 1504075651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is literally hitler < 1504075727 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite obvious < 1504075742 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to be fair, \oren\, that's an insult to hitler < 1504075747 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Huh? I haven't worked at Google since 2014. < 1504075761 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504075764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thankfully never worked on YouTube. < 1504075769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: damn it! < 1504075782 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to complain to somone! < 1504075811 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1504075813 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this new design was like satan barfed on my screen < 1504075830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you should see the -- you know, never mind. < 1504075903 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: niconicodouga doesn't fuck up their layout every year < 1504075966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Solution: Go work at Google, and then you can complain internally. < 1504076010 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought complaining at google leads to being branded a nazi and fired? < 1504076056 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what < 1504076082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that happened to anyone I know. < 1504076086 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as google is bad, I wouldn't quite compare them to hitler and the nazis < 1504076099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I knew lots of people at Google whose favorite activity was complaining. < 1504076102 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: have you seen the new colors on youtube? < 1504076109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can probably make a lot more money. < 1504076109 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch youtube < 1504076127 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: well they should be tried in the Hague < 1504076137 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :my roommate's chromecast has an ad 00:01 permanantly stuck in the corner though < 1504076211 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a personal goal of mine to get tried in the hague, but hopefully not for that < 1504076273 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I only recently learned that the hague is a city, and not a building < 1504076305 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear entry level engineer total compensation at Google is ~$180k/year nowadays. < 1504076355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether SV wages will keep going up or stay constant or pop. < 1504076403 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504076432 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is total yearly rent and car in silicon valley? < 1504076458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1504076482 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car costs aren't all that variable by location in the US, I think. < 1504076552 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504076569 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rent is pretty expensive, especially if you want to live by yourself, but I'm not up to date on the numbers. < 1504076765 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if not, I hear < 1504076788 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is food, and last I was in california, I paid double for gas < 1504076802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Petrol is so cheap in the US that even if you pay double it's fine. < 1504076804 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in most parts, 1.5, < 1504076879 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't fine if you're used to getting to work for 3$ on public transit < 1504077005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you work at one of the big silly valley companies you can get to work for free on the shuttle. < 1504077061 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to school on $0 in transit < 1504077084 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with basically everything else < 1504077095 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to go home, it's $50 round trip at most < 1504077128 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1504077133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently walk to work, 5 minute walk. < 1504077265 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I walk home every day. I should walk to work too, but I'm too lazy to walk both ways < 1504077793 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, over the past summer, it was 7 minutes from my apartment to the 4th floor office < 1504077797 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my classes are faster < 1504078291 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504079075 0 :mroman!a0556846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.104.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504079082 0 :mroman!a0556846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.104.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1504079184 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504079535 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504080016 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504080271 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504080570 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504080711 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1504080734 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest76900 < 1504080808 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504081292 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504081745 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504082517 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504082546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Härdfïsh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52974&oldid=52960 5* 03Mroman2 5* (+48) 10 < 1504082640 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504082667 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504083103 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504083708 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504083924 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504083951 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504084087 0 :p-!~p@41.108.207.28 QUIT :Client Quit < 1504086676 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504087153 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504088730 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504089574 0 :mroman!a0556846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.104.70 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504090221 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504090230 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504092833 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504093045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504093170 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH! what the fuck is the point of having the list of different parts of the webpage be links that only work if javascript is allowed? no, it's not even in one of those stupid javascript-based rolldown menus. no, it's not just highlighting the link background when it's hovered on that doesn't work. < 1504093191 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fucking links only work if you click on them. They're not actual links you can select with keyboard. Not even with caret browsing. < 1504093257 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're some stupid li element that you can only follow through an onclick event, even though that event is just a javascript that loads another page. < 1504093296 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not doing anything magical like replacing half the page and rendering it client side from queries or anything. Just plain mouse-only links, reinvented with a bad javascript implementation. < 1504093300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1504093902 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else do you ensure that your google analytics code is used properly :P < 1504095336 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504095367 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: once < 1504095470 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1504096099 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SUBURBIAN CHICKEN < 1504096360 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504096449 0 :Guest21903!~irinaaaa@host135.181-9-180.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1504096569 0 :Guest21903!~irinaaaa@host135.181-9-180.telecom.net.ar QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1504096654 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504097122 0 :Guest76900!?@? NICK :shikhin_ < 1504097152 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :Guest66154 < 1504097168 0 :Guest66154!?@? NICK :shikhin` < 1504097173 0 :shikhin`!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1504097173 0 :shikhin`!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504097183 0 :shikhin`!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1504098421 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098421 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098421 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098421 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098421 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098421 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504098453 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1504098458 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1504098492 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504098714 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, is https://unicode.org down? < 1504098757 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504098759 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hehe. that page doesn't use google analytics though. it does use some facebook thing. < 1504099221 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I suspect zzo38, he wants to finally establish his own character encoding < 1504099263 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://www.unicode.org/ is down. I had to check archive.org's copy of the HTML-rendered unicode line break rules. < 1504099287 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait, what's that a reply to? < 1504099310 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean he's the reason why unicode.org is down? < 1504099311 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: unicode.org being down < 1504099323 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504099323 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504099324 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a reason < 1504099325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1504099332 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although zzo38 is a good idea, for a different reason. < 1504099353 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any reaction to MaRo's spoilers of Unstable (the future un-set)? < 1504099467 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O (Un-icode? ) < 1504102660 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/anonymous/464ba89ac19cab8fd573ab62c21bbb6b << I hate C. (this is my own code) < 1504102769 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504103483 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504103600 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504103850 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504104303 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504104559 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504105072 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504105327 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504106552 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is the "role" HTML attribute? I can't find it in https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html or http://w3c.github.io/html/fullindex.html#attributes-table or https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference < 1504106581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HTML4 standard, HTML5 draft, Mozilla developer docs HTML respectively) < 1504106614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found: https://www.w3.org/TR/role-attribute/ < 1504106934 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504107119 0 :zseri!5e86dc83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.220.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504107924 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504109999 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504112690 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504112957 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504113156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Avian 5* 10New user account < 1504113181 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504114916 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504115361 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for translation icon images (used as an icon on webpages to show where you can change the interface or content to a different language) that have a letter A and an あ kana next to each other. Apparently there's another variant of these, which has a 文 hanzi and a letter A. < 1504115388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that variant yet. I think I prefer Aあ because that's more recognizable to me, but I'm not sure which one is better. < 1504115441 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :文A might work better because that hanzi is common (and so recognizable) in both Chinese and Japanese apparently < 1504115899 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504115900 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504116106 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1504116282 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504116617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52975&oldid=52955 5* 03Avian 5* (+158) 10/* Introductions */ < 1504116799 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FiM++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52976&oldid=47240 5* 03Avian 5* (+106) 10 < 1504117176 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504117614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish bash had some quoting style that lets you easily quote any URL. But alas, apostrophes doesn't work because the URL can contain apostrophe, and double quotes don't work because the URL can contain a dollar sign which is special inside double quotes. < 1504117869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504118235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504118599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52977&oldid=52266 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+235) 10Added a Whitespace implementation (heavily golfed; pushing 0 with SSL instead of SSSSL, and a blank label name) < 1504118906 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504119576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504120280 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.189.84.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504120356 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504121093 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit... < 1504121261 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hirdococ, what's up? < 1504121298 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1504121303 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky < 1504121369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an unexpected pattern of behavior < 1504121515 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet black holes don't really exist < 1504122628 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :black holes suck < 1504122972 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.189.84.33 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504123722 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504124401 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504125432 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504125636 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504125654 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504125749 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504126415 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504126528 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, i assure you, they also blow. < 1504126537 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1504126552 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i just realised how that sounds < 1504126558 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504126560 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facekeyboards < 1504126569 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keyfacepals < 1504127090 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Robert Mugabe denies he cast an ‘evil spell’ on the vice president of Zimbabwe" like, why would he need to deny that < 1504128835 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: lol < 1504129313 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504129328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504129430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So some of Autstralia has DST, but they use summer time only for approximately five months, not for approximately seven months like much of Europe and the U.S. does. Strange. < 1504130157 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504130623 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504130786 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504130802 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504131030 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: do you mean six months instead of five? < 1504131060 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Australia seems to switch on the first Sunday in April and October) < 1504131073 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean five months instead of seven < 1504131076 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1504131082 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an exact count of months < 1504131135 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the first Sunday in October to the first Sunday of April is five months of summer time in Australia < 1504131159 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's just some of Australia, some parts don't use DST at all, which makes sense because they're closer to the equator) < 1504131160 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really isn't. < 1504131178 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as close to 6 as you can get < 1504131187 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while switching on Sundays) < 1504131192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1504131261 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then those parts of Australia have six months. and much of Europe and America have seven. < 1504131268 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's six months instead of seven. < 1504131277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much less of a difference, I can understand that. < 1504131278 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that last claim of mine wasn't accurate, but close enough for this discussion) < 1504131294 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504131749 0 :zseri!5e86dc83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.220.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504131868 0 :rdococ!?@? NICK :RdOcOc < 1504132244 0 :RdOcOc!?@? NICK :rdococ < 1504132293 0 :rdococ!?@? NICK :RdOcOc < 1504132345 0 :RdOcOc!?@? NICK :RdococX < 1504132351 0 :RdococX!?@? NICK :rdococ < 1504132489 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daylight savings time is crap anyway. they should jsut change work schedules based on season if light matters < 1504132492 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504132527 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't have to bother office workers like me for whom the sun is largely irrelevant < 1504132613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but it would be much harder to convince people to change work schedules based on season. For one, it would be more confusing because most clock faces wouldn't show the difference, so you wouldn't be able to tell which schedule you're supposed to follow. A lot of timetables and opening hours labels would have to be reprinted, including ones < 1504132613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stickered in very big letters on a supermarket saying "OPEN EVERY SUNDAY 7-15" or something < 1504132653 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and it's supposed to be relevant for office workers too, because the advantages mostly present when you're NOT in the office during normal office hours, but at home or traveling < 1504132661 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/traveling/commuting/ < 1504132718 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still other good arguments for saying DST is crap of course, but I don't think "change work schedules based on season" makes sense. < 1504132765 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've convinced myself that DST is a good thing at least twice and that DST is a bad thing (in Hungary that is) at least twice at different times, so I'm not sure what to think anymore. < 1504132809 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree; the 1 hour time shift in working schedule *is* the problem I associate with DST. < 1504132828 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree with who? < 1504132886 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the idea that if changing the work schedules instead of doing the DST switch is awful < 1504132916 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it just wasn't clear if you said you agree with \oren\ or agree with me < 1504132987 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it still makes sense to use UTC for times that aren't tied to a geographical location or shouldn't be tied to DST, but most human schedules are tied < 1504133004 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1504133312 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think that DST isn't worth the biannual hassle (and confusion about which countries switch when, if at all). < 1504133402 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :daylight scow time < 1504133437 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1504133656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "which countries switch when" is not too much of a hassle usually, because different countries often use different time zones anyway, so you have to check timezones already, and most of Europe has DST switch at the same time (Iceland and Russia and Belarus and Turkey don't use DST) < 1504133680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a big hassle because the difference in time zones between countries isn't constant. < 1504133702 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that you can't schedule something to happen at a given time in one time zone and have it happen at the same time in another. < 1504133754 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1504133803 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you also can't do that when a region randomly decides to change the timezone from now on, which also happens sometimes, often because of political changes) < 1504134033 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tourism, near the date line < 1504134118 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tourism near the date line already haves the problem that the timezones are different < 1504134177 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problem, it's by design; people get to do things like celebrate New Year's Eve twice. < 1504134245 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1504134258 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would be neat to pass a bylaw that in my district, the time zone is officially Italy Time < 1504134296 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore you would be able to drink after legal close time < 1504134319 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I was thinking of passing a law that makes the timezone something like six hundred years before UTC for a medieval theme park < 1504134341 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drink after legal close time" there are other workarounds for that, but ok < 1504134379 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would really mess with AoE deadlines. < 1504134404 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most places we don't have rules that limit when you can drink, but rather possibly rules that limit when shops can sell alcoholic drinks < 1504134407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the medieval variant) < 1504134413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the timezone at the store matters < 1504134424 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what's an "AoE"? < 1504134426 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: age of empires? < 1504134449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@googe aoe time zone < 1504134451 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/aoe < 1504134512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that reminds me, could you get around a legal statute of limitations by getting a region to use a timezone decades into the past, or around a copyright limitation by getting a region to use a timezone a decades into the future? < 1504134599 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or various exploits related to how old a person is, like opening a bar in a timezone that's a decade into the future so that younger people can drink because they're suddenly over the legal drinking age? < 1504134610 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be your own sovereign country outside of the Geneva copyright convention... < 1504134616 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to mess with time zones < 1504134653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah but often individual cities can mess with time zones so it's easier < 1504134672 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there are practically no such countries < 1504134690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: can they? I don't think states usually allow that to indidvidual cities < 1504134806 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest might be to get some small pacific island nation that is already in a not too common timezone to switch to such a crazy timezone, but that doesn't help you with bars or shops where the point is not to travel far, or legal exploits that are tied to an existing country < 1504135299 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think the solution to the original question about statute of limitation is that how you measure absolute times doesn't affect relative times like age (time since birth etc.) < 1504135336 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, but does any law actually do that? especially laws about drinking age? < 1504135347 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a local calendar (and that's essentially what you get if you pick a cracy time zone offset), you'll have to convert external dates to local ones or vice versa before doing the comparison. < 1504135365 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I expect the laws to talk about age, not dates of birth. < 1504135389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Don't people wait until midnight to drink or something? < 1504135418 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they check age by checking the date of birth in your id documents and compare it with the current date. this actually matters because many people go to a bar to drink on their birthday when they reach legal age. < 1504135419 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you're not talking about drinking age. < 1504135462 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, drinking age, and similar age restrictions, like when you can buy alcohol and tobacco and lottery tickets and go into casinos < 1504135528 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exploit doesn't easily work for driving though, at least in Europe, because the rules say even if you have a valid drivers' license from another country, the age restriction of the local country for the relevant category of vehicles limits you, < 1504135543 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sozzlin' age < 1504135552 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could only drive in the territory with strange timezone, which is useless. < 1504135560 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, but the reason that this is the case is that nobody gives a damn about a few hours difference. in this matter. < 1504135569 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But putting a bar or shop into a strange timezone is more practical. < 1504135582 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting a casino is even better. < 1504135596 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it simply won't work. < 1504135609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a few hours, probably no, sure. but if there's at least months of difference, that might matter < 1504135615 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504135621 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it does work, it won't be due to the timezone trickery. < 1504135658 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather it'll be because your local law enforcement doesn't care about the legal drinking age. < 1504135673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, for drinking and tobacco, there are already lots of workarounds like that < 1504135678 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504135727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Maybe I can withdraw money from my retirement accounts if you arrange for a time zone a few decades ahead. < 1504135743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why the US laws with regard to those are so complicated. < 1504135770 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, that might work too < 1504135831 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could avoid repaying loans and paying some bills by moving into a timezone where they're not due yet. < 1504135872 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Oh, maybe you can write a clever financial contract based on the current date. < 1504135879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a much more interesting use. < 1504135893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I was reading Matt Levine, https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-12-05/blackstone-made-money-on-credit-default-swaps-with-this-one-weird-trick < 1504135981 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504136016 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lawyer died suddenly in his sleep and was very upset when he entered the Pearly Gates. "I am too young to die, that way," he protested. "Not at all, you are 87 years old." "There must be a mistake, I am only 35 years old." "Well, we checked the number of hours you have billed to your clients, you must be 87 years old.” < 1504136039 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think this is similar territory as the time zone trick) < 1504136046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hehe < 1504136052 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504136057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the problem with billing multiple people for the same hour? < 1504136193 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there isn't one until you die unexpectedly of old age. < 1504136252 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't that fine only if they share the bill, eg. two people pay half and half of it because the lawyer did a job that benefits both of them? < 1504136264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1504136306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, billing someone for an hour indicates that you spent the full hour only in service of them, unless you specify otherwise? < 1504136359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504136370 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is billing a whole hour for a fraction of it < 1504136371 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1504136389 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 10-minute phone calls with 6 clients, each pay for one hour = jackpot < 1504136420 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: I don't actually know if lawyers do that < 1504136474 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: hmm, something like that might work, although it is probably hard to do it in a way that is actually profitable (i.e. you don't pay for it with lots of downtime when you can't bill anyone) < 1504136638 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that might work better in practice is being applied as a high-ranking professor in a university or even two and at the same time working in a research institute that isn't part of the university. It's hard to get more than 24 hours a day that way, but a nominal 16 hours a way is definitely possible, and 20 might perhaps be possible. < 1504136682 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be hard to do in a profitable way? < 1504136684 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a professor who works in two universities and one research institute, but it's hard to tell which one of those jobs is half time and which is full time. < 1504136693 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 hours pays for more than a day < 1504136743 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: dunno. maybe it isn't, I'm not a lawyer and don't know much about how lawyers work. I have a difficulty switching between projects when I have more than two simultanous projects in my job, and even switching between two rapidly. < 1504136762 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other people have trouble too swapping that way, although the amount of trouble differs a lot. < 1504136798 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two projects and switching only a few times a week is somewhat managable for me usually.) < 1504136814 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depends on the actual tasks of course) < 1504136957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504136964 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think such double work is possible for doctors two, when they work for a public hospital and private institute or private patients at the same times, sometimes even in a questionably legal way (when they handle private patients in the public hospital, within the public hospital job's work hours or using some cheaper resources of the hospital). < 1504137011 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night now < 1504137017 0 :wob_jonas!b03f193d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.61 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504137050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Lawyers usually bill in 6 minute increments, I believe. < 1504137201 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk