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I have written a DOS COM program that loads a 16x9 VGA font I drew, but it only bothers to load the 95 printable ASCII characters or so, plus the 18 accented Hungarian letters, 13:51:02 Hehe 13:51:07 the table for ASCII font is stored raw in the COM file so that's like 95*16 bytes, but then the 18 accented ones have only the scanlines of the accents stored, and it generates them procedurally. 13:51:25 When I drew a bitmap font recently inspired by that hackaday post, I only bothered with uppercase, digits and a few punctuation characters 13:51:31 not even full printable-ASCII coverage 13:51:48 Ah, that's neat 13:51:51 Neither the compression scheme nor the code isn't too optimized though, partly because it's already small enough, and partly because I didn't know better. 13:52:09 As for "bothered with", well, that one isn't a particularly good font. 13:52:35 fecupboard20, the 10x20 font that I made later, is much better 13:52:37 reminds me of how ^~`'", in ASCII acted as diacritics too, via overstriking 13:52:48 Yeah, I have a copy of fecupboard20 somewhere 13:52:51 FireFly: only for printers. that isn't possible on video terminals. 13:52:58 FireFly: it's in `? fonts 13:53:10 ah 13:53:41 I should make a page collecting my bitmap fonts… and provide them in more useful formats 13:55:04 b_jonas: https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 this was what I ended up with when I designed a font with the "re-use tiles" constraint from the hackaday post btw (it's bad as a programming font since 0=O, 1=I, 5=S, but intended for demo-y contexts where size matters) 13:55:25 FireFly: that would be nice 13:56:12 Yeah, currently my fonts are only provided in… ummm… my own "bitmap font format", which is really just a convenient way for me to edit it as a png 13:56:18 FireFly: nice 13:58:07 FireFly: I don't know how that compares to a COM file, but then for the two fonts I put in a COM file I later also extracted to headerless raw VGA font format 13:58:15 so that I can load them on Linux console too 13:58:48 * FireFly nods 13:59:04 I mostly just like designing fonts with harsh constraints placed on the design 13:59:11 like very harsh size constrains, for instance 14:00:03 FireFly: this is the 9x16 VGA font in the smaller COM file: http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/stickfont-screenshot0.png 14:00:28 Hm 14:00:32 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 14:00:49 and it is sort of constrained to have only hollow lines, 14:00:49 I think I would fill in the vertical lines rather than backboard-bold it 14:00:54 mm 14:01:04 sure, that would look better. this one isn't really a readable text font 14:01:15 Yeah, more presentational? 14:01:19 it's rather a fancy heading font, which I know makes no sense in VGA text mode 14:01:26 it doesn't really have a good purpose 14:01:32 It doesn't have to 14:01:40 it was just something I made back when I had lots of time for stupid experiments but less experience 14:02:11 the * character look s particularly ugly, I tried to redraw it several times but couldn't get anything reasonable 14:02:57 I made a new lowercase for a 8×4px-tile font (7×3px size for capital letters), making the lowercase one pixel smaller, but more consistent in size across letters 14:03:17 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2017-09-08_141818.png 14:03:21 that tiled font you made looks quite nice though 14:03:39 Yeah, I'm pretty content with it 14:03:56 I was thinking it'd look okay in a game (I had this js13kgames competition in mind when I made it) 14:04:47 the other font I made was actually usable as a terminal font. it was fecupboard18, which only ever had 256 characters of coverage, and I never distributed it because of copyright reasons: 14:05:12 I made most of it by combining characters from three or four existing 16x9 VGA terminal fonts, picking whichever I liked the best, 14:05:19 and edited only a few characters specifically 14:06:00 Fecupboard20 started as a sort of successor, but completely copyright laundered, but it grew to have a rather different visual style, and much more character coverage eventually 14:06:03 Ah 14:06:47 Fecupboard20 also originally had only 256 characters (and a lot of them were just copies of other characters), and even now the ASCII part is way more mature than the little non-ASCII coverage it has 14:06:59 it still both has too few characters, and some of the non-ASCII stuff is REALLY ugly 14:07:03 Most of my fonts cover only printable ASCII + assorted glyphs that I found interesting to draw 14:07:13 the whole greek letters part should be thrown out and redone from scratch for example 14:07:37 I think only oneof my fonts cover greek 14:07:40 covers* 14:07:44 FireFly: fecupboard20 covers printable ASCII plus assorted glyphs that I found interesting to *display* 14:07:50 in a terminal that is 14:08:05 Yeah, that's probably more useful :P 14:08:07 FireFly: this doesn't cover greek, it only has the basic greek alphabet intended for simple mathematical formulas 14:08:51 entirely unsuitable for greek text 14:09:22 if I want to add language coverage, I'd add more latin letters and russian before I even tried to draw greek 14:09:50 both because greek is less useful, I rarely try to read or write greek text, I only use greek letters for maths formulas, 14:10:08 and because greek is slightly harder to draw if you want it actually nice-looking 14:10:16 Hm, honestly I don't know if my greek is good for greek text 14:10:25 not that cyrillic is easy to draw either 14:10:33 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/7x5px-font.png 14:10:46 the height is probably awfully off for my greek lowercase here 14:10:53 well, awfully inconsistent 14:10:57 obviously supporting greek text is nice and possible, but not in a font that only covers like 2000 characters 14:11:28 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/9x5px-font.png oh I guess this one has greek too 14:11:29 FireFly: wow, that actually has greek letters! 14:11:44 and I don't think you made it up on the fly as I mentioned it, that would be too fast, you probably already had it 14:11:47 upper and lowercase 14:12:02 Yeah, these are old fonts 14:12:48 9x5px has the same x-height as 9x5px, so a lot of the glyphs are shared between them 14:12:57 Just more space for ascenders/descenders 14:12:58 and it actually looks like acceptable greek letter glyphs to me too 14:13:10 2px for each rather than 1px for each (1px ascender/descender is really tiny :P) 14:13:23 "9x5px has the same x-height as 9x5px," huh? 14:13:32 what's the difference between those two? 14:13:36 err, as 7x5px 14:13:40 my bad 14:14:12 well yes. 8x16 and 9x16 would share like a third of the characters too, but I never really tried to make a 8x16 font. 14:14:28 the 7x5px-font.png has 5px x-height, 1px for asc/desc (thus, 7px space reserved for letters), the 9x5px-font.png has 5px x-height and 2px for asc/desc 14:14:39 there didn't seem a point, with vertical screen estate always more precious than horizontal screen estate 14:14:58 Hm, it depends 14:15:56 I mean, I like having terminals open side-by-side, but would still want 80-90 chars' width 14:16:12 if, say, having files open in vim or so 14:17:09 FireFly: there are also 5+x7+ and 5+x8+ and x8+ fonts with no space allocated for descenders and 5 pixel x height, where the + means it's shown on displays with gap between the fixed character cells, and the x8+ is variable width shown on single-line pixel displays on information boards 14:18:04 ah 14:18:59 My tiniest fonts (3px and 4px high) are variable-width out of necessity… (also, are really uppercase-only/don't cover full printable-ASCII) 14:19:05 on modern large TFTs, you now get to do that with 9px width, even if we didn't on older 1024px wide TFT and good CRT monitors 14:19:19 Well, the 4px-high font *has* a lowercase but it's awful and I know it's awful 14:19:23 I wouldn't actually use ti 14:19:24 it* 14:19:42 (for some worse CRT monitors, 1024px wide had too many rows and wouldn't display nicely, and video cards didn't have enough memory for high color depth at 1024x width) 14:20:08 Heh 14:20:49 yeah, that was back when the choice between 4, 8, 16, 24 bits of color depth was a real problem, and lots of software had to have extra code for supporting reasonable graphics at lower color depths 14:21:12 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/4px-font.png ← there are some horribly awful glyphs here (# & { } come to mind) 14:21:42 these days the difficulty is the opposite: lots of software don't yet have enough support for more than 8 bit per channel color depth, but more and more applications have real need for such high color depth per channel 14:22:03 this isn't only for display, but also for graphics editing without displaying the high color depth 14:22:09 Indeed 14:22:52 It's a bit unfortunate that we have kind of settled on 8 bits per channel as defacto standard 14:23:02 FireFly: I have tried to draw some tiny fonts, but they never really worked so I don't have anything actually finished, and even those had a pixel for ascender 14:23:05 no 14:23:07 a pixel for descender 14:23:51 at those small sizes you're best at trying to draw a font that has letter shapes rather different from traditional printed ones, readable only after practice 14:24:06 some crazy people do that even for larger sizes 14:24:17 that's a type of crazyness that isn't too far from me 14:24:48 even fecupboard20 has characters that are deliberately uglier for easier proofreading, because it's a terminal font, not a typographic font 14:25:13 I really dislike… inconsistencies like having lowercase letters at uppercase size (so x-height = full height) or using lowercase n as uppercase, but I think when working with extreme constraints it can be okay 14:25:31 but I have more restraints in going against the typographical traditions than to do something much more radical than that 14:25:38 b_jonas: oh, "sufficiently distinct glyphs" is certainly a fine thing to keep in mind when designing a font 14:25:54 that reminds me of some of the fonts designed specifically for signage 14:26:04 FireFly: sure, but still there's a difference between one intended for proofreading and one intended for easy reading 14:26:16 "signage"? what does that mean? 14:26:46 is that when you try to make printed text that's hard to modify (for either forging or defacing) by drawing some extra lines in pen 14:26:53 I mean, for traffic signs and such 14:26:54 ? 14:26:59 oh, traffic signs 14:27:22 Or car plates, where having distinct glyphs for different characters/digits is important 14:27:34 isn't that just normal readable fonts that try to be readable from faraway in bad vision conditions, rather than from close like books? you do sans serif with thick lines for that, but still make it nice looking 14:27:56 b_jonas: well, yes, but e.g. I recall some font where the Q had some quirks to make it more distinct from an O 14:28:09 I don't know what to think about car reg plates, because different countries use SO VERY different style fonts that I can't really imagine why 14:28:16 -!- ATMunn has joined. 14:28:30 and it's not just because of a difference in the set of characters used 14:28:38 like intentionally exaggerating the space surrounding tail of the Q to make it extra clear at a distance 14:28:54 (the tail being separated with paddingn from the circle) 14:29:00 err, I'm not describing this well :p 14:29:03 because that can explain a few changes, like some countries have Ö and Ä in license plates 14:29:46 FireFly: meh, they do that with the Q even in some print fonts. it makes sense because it's a capital letter in text that's not all-caps. 14:30:07 reg plates are all uppercase, and road signs have some all-caps text 14:30:20 Mm, sure 14:31:39 Q is one of those letters that's rare enough in most text that fonts designers use it to try to make their font different from others. the other such character is & 14:32:25 I ended up with a somewhat Quake-like Q in that tile-based font :p with the tail being vertically centred and vertical 14:32:38 That was mainly for tile re-use purposes though 14:32:42 If a text says "Q&A", that's a great help for identifying an unknown font. 14:32:50 Heh, yes 14:32:57 hmm... I should put "Q&A" in font specimens 14:33:00 Ampersands are tricky to draw 14:33:09 -!- augur has joined. 14:33:13 I've never liked mine much 14:34:15 straight vertical tail in Q is fine, you can just say it's a long tradition going back to the phoenician alphabet. font designers always respect tradition. 14:34:28 but then, any style of Q is fine, and any style of & too, that's the whole point 14:37:35 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 14:39:55 Yep 14:40:05 of course, ideally the style is somewhat consistent across glyphs 14:41:08 b_jonas: re. fecupboard18, I recall reading that in the US bitmap fonts specifically aren't copyrightable because glyphs are small and so it's hard to claim originality/several people can draw the same glyph 14:41:30 Which is a bit interesting (and I think I disagree with it, but partially agree… blah, it's a tricky area) 14:42:14 like at some point if you approach extremely tiny sizes, it's inevitable that the same glyphs get drawn the same way independently 14:42:34 FireFly: it's possible that they aren't copyrightable, I'm not sure, but since it's not a particularly good font, nor one unique enough that someone would need that one in particular rather than any of the plethora of already available x16 video fonts (many of them clearly free of copyright), I didn't want to decide. 14:42:57 If someone wants to take a look at it without distributing it, I can give it to them personally, but I don't think it's valuable enough. 14:43:19 It's just a combination from multiple similar fonts according to whatever I liked at that time. I don't even like it much anymore. 14:43:44 fecupboard20 is different, some people apart from me actually seem to like it 14:43:57 and there's much fewer choice in decent x20 bitmap fonts 14:44:31 I couldn't just combine it from existing fonts with small modifications, because I didn't know of any good enough fonts similar to it 14:44:38 that's why I draw it from scratch 14:44:55 sure, I did take some inspiration of all sorts of existing fonts, but you have to do that to make your own art 14:47:04 Right, yeah 14:47:17 it's just an interesting thing, the copyrightability of bitmap fonts 14:47:52 I think individual glyphs are very likely to get reinvented a lot, but I think the value of a font (at least smallish bitmap fonts) is in consistency and style 14:48:15 and other such traits, things that cover the collection of glyphs as a whole more than an individual glyph 14:48:52 wow. I am writing a perl one-liner, and I just got an error from perl that isn't a fatal error and whose meaning I can't guess from the code 14:48:56 this hasn't happened for many years 14:49:05 s/fatal error/internal error/ 14:49:36 time to check the documentation 14:50:10 -!- augur has joined. 14:50:19 huh what 14:50:43 it's a warning, not an error, despite not clearly saying "warning", and the doc doesn't give a clear explanation 14:50:46 wtf 14:51:15 ah, I get it! 14:51:23 -!- Vorpal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 14:53:11 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:53:40 Ideally I should write a doc patch for this, but I'm lazy 14:54:37 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:01:29 -!- erkin has joined. 15:03:33 -!- SigmundYx has joined. 15:11:52 Q has so many fancy shapes that you could probably draw one that looks like a B or D or S or G at a glance and then deliberately try to confuse people with misreadable words like Quality, Quit, Quite, PLAQUE, Quest, Quilt. 15:20:02 -!- ATMunn has quit (Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). 15:22:26 Ah, Qu ligatures can also look very nice, although bitmap fonts aren't really ligature-friendly :p 15:23:08 FireFly: only for printers. that isn't possible on video terminals. ← I learned recently about this: https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/905772498796646400 ! 15:25:03 FireFly: was that one that used the type of CRT that traces graphics only once with no continuous rescans and the phosphor keeps remaining lit? 15:25:07 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:25:51 No idea 15:25:51 they even used CRTs like that as memory, back before DRAMS when people tried all sorts of crazy constructions to get large efficient RAMs 15:26:16 http://www.platopeople.com/emoticons.html has more examples too 15:27:03 such as rotating magnetic disks, rotating magnetic disks with a separate head for each sector (this was actually common, I'm not making it up), mercury delay lines, core memory, that crt thing, 15:27:15 and probably even more that I simply never heard about 15:29:54 also SRAM and shift registers made of transistors, which were not that crazy, but were hard to use before transistors were invented 15:30:07 tube or relay variant would have been too bulky 15:30:53 then the DRAM is of course BOTH crazy and requires large integrated circuits 15:31:21 but it turned out for large enough memory it could be made smaller than SRAM, so it won out 15:37:01 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:45:28 -!- zseri has joined. 15:50:57 -!- tromp has joined. 15:57:05 -!- Guest48979 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:00:26 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 16:00:50 -!- Bowserinator has changed nick to Guest74187. 16:02:52 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:16:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:46:25 -!- tromp has joined. 16:49:48 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:51:17 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:06:18 -!- augur has joined. 17:06:49 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 17:10:35 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:13:26 -!- tromp has joined. 17:15:35 -!- xkapastel has joined. 17:16:16 -!- Guest74187 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:19:06 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 17:19:49 -!- Bowserinator has changed nick to Guest65869. 17:20:44 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! 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