< 1504224068 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the early 1970s a feasibility study was conducted for a project to build a canal from the Mediterranean Sea to the Qattara Depression in the Western Desert of Egypt using nuclear demolition. This project proposed to use 213 devices, with yields of 1 to 1.5 megatons detonated at depths of 100 to 500 meters, to build this canal for the purpose of producing hydroelectric power." < 1504224402 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504225423 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504225441 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :water doesn't do a very good job of absorbing pressure, since it's very near incompressible < 1504225467 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :could a light gas like hydrogen work? < 1504225519 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504225521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1504225523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1504225575 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s;sanity;&, the grace period; < 1504225579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anyth < 1504225644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1504225645 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms. < 1504225694 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1504225701 0 :augur_!~augur@104.236.181.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504225706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time for some rearrangements < 1504225922 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1504225924 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving < 1504225938 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true that I never invent anything involving < 1504226004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb never invents anythimble < 1504226018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom < 1504226019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504226117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn tanebventions: food//Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac. < 1504226120 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tanebventions: food': Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac. < 1504226158 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grWp -l ' ' < 1504226160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell \ haskell' \ rules of wisdom \ speedy gonzales \ tanebventions: food \ tip < 1504226166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1504226167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1504226169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1504226171 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504226173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell' < 1504226174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1504226174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn tanebventions: food//Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac. < 1504226177 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'tanebventions: food': Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac. < 1504226298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s.aut[^,], ..;s/wee.*rooms, //s.cognac, .. < 1504226299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 31: unknown option to `s' < 1504226319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s.aut[^,], ..;s/wee.*rooms, //;s.cognac, .. < 1504226321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1504226348 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong. < 1504226368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1504226381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s.aut[^,]*, .. < 1504226383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1504226453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions//s,maths,& or tanebventions: foods, < 1504226454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud! < 1504226464 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s,maths,& or tanebventions: foods, < 1504226466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1504226588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg haskell' < 1504226597 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5842:2015-07-17 ` ln wisdom/haskell{,\\\'} < 1504226607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1504226635 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/haskell\' < 1504226636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 102 Oct 28 2016 wisdom/haskell' < 1504226642 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504226644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1504226660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/haskell < 1504226661 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 102 Oct 28 2016 wisdom/haskell < 1504226712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marmite < 1504226713 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marmite is a hive mind of fungal microorganisms spreading throughout the supermarkets of the Commonwealth. < 1504227159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? speedy gonzales < 1504227160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sp e e d y G o n z a l e s i s t h e f a s t e s t < 1504227172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tip < 1504227173 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tip is 0,3[ $ ] if you're American, 12[ £ ] if you're British, and if you're Japanese. < 1504227258 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504227341 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504227521 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504227621 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :#racism < 1504227735 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tips in japan? < 1504227769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :purportedly < 1504228019 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a couple restaurants around here that don't take tips, mostly east asian places < 1504228042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504228111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504228371 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tips are generally not done in asian cultures < 1504228427 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1504228428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​costume//Costumes are used for cosplay. Taneb sometimes invents them. < 1504228534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504228603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504229017 0 :kcyre!~kcyre@177.87.12.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504229018 0 :kcyre!~kcyre@177.87.12.92 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504229597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504229801 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1504229806 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:epimorphism//An epimorphism is just a monomorphism in the opposite category. \ Э//EH? \ ⌨//You are probably using one right now! \ pun//Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. \ shikhin//shikhin is a Malevolent God, who will promise you stuff tomorrow. < 1504229807 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1504229808 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:epimorphism//An epimorphism is just a monomorphism in the opposite category. \ Э//EH? \ ⌨//You are probably using one right now! \ pun//Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. \ shikhin//shikhin is a Malevolent God, who will promise you stuff tomorrow. < 1504229888 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Tomorrow, dammit. < 1504230063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monomorphism < 1504230065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monomorphism is just an epimorphism in the opposite category. < 1504230087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So say f is a morphism. < 1504230100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mono" means "(f .) is injective" < 1504230111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"epi" means "(. f) is injective" < 1504230120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"split mono" means "(. f) is surjective" < 1504230125 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"split epi" means "(f .) is surjective" < 1504230146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If f is split x, then it's also x < 1504230167 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504230176 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course if f is mono+split epi, or epi+split mono, then (f .) or (. f) is bijective, and so f is iso < 1504230217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mono morphin' power rangers < 1504230465 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504232946 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww the p!=np was wrong like the other 3453452 p!=np proofs < 1504232952 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have guessed it < 1504233016 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like solid evidence that P=NP hth < 1504233123 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :observing a green apple makes it more likely that a black raven is not NP. < 1504233233 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Sainsbury's was out of green apples the other day so therefor a black raven is NP! < 1504233800 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble the first of every month i use to drain the laptop battery because that's supposedly good for it. < 1504233836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i forget about it when i'm doing something else, and come back to discover it has turned off. < 1504233853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes he found the right settings to get it to hibernate instead
< 1504233908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my browser remembered the tabs this time, it seems. < 1504233936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is particularly annoying because of the way it nags when recovering stuff < 1504233987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim recovery is so annoying < 1504234022 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard recovery procedure: vim file; press r; save file with another time; diff two files; delete one of the files and the .swp < 1504234035 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you're supposed to do? < 1504234049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so manual. I don't get why there isn't a simple thing to automate it. < 1504234079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just ask it to recover, but it half panics because the recovery file is older than the saved one (probably a bug in file times or something) < 1504234090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have to deleted the swp files by hand. < 1504234092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ed < 1504234128 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction Set where indirect addressing can only be done via self-modifying code: https://github.com/pbl64k/ShenzhenIO-Turing < 1504234128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who would have guessed it <-- scott aaronson hth < 1504234154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tons of instruction sets are like that, especially very old ones and toy ones < 1504234191 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1504234283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell, the .swp file age must be when it was _created_, regardless of when it was changed. < 1504234333 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Neat. < 1504234410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not all the .swp files are in the same directory. < 1504234572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh forced reboots are my trigger for moving to the next tatham puzzle. < 1504234695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how old is your laptop? draining batteries is useful for nickel-cadmium batteries but basically all laptops nowadays use lithium batteries, which don't care < 1504234707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there were some tabs reopened that i had already closed < 1504234717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's from 2013 < 1504234733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can stop doing it, then < 1504234762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit to occasionally having done it out of habit before remembering that modern batteries don't care < 1504234778 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :lithium batteries it's actually better not to fully drain < 1504234780 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure if i saw it suggested in the accompanying manual, or just old habit < 1504234781 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're still not supposed to charge them to full capacity, right? < 1504234792 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most people here are young enough to not be aware of the battery draining ritual < 1504234794 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fully charging is also good, but harder < 1504234796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i'm not getting a choice for that... < 1504234818 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop's BIOS has settings where you tell it how you use the battery (e.g. in my case, usually on mains power) < 1504234838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has built-in rules for charging and discharging the battery in an optimal way based on that < 1504234839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some setting. < 1504234872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ occasionally seem to drain the battery a little, even though i rarely remove the cord < 1504235131 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504235272 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BUMPER CHICKEN < 1504236657 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1504236662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:wlcom//Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: . (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.) \ htdh//HtDH is a classic text on How to Design Hotdogs or possibly Hogprams. It is all about functional condiments, and was co-authored by Herence Tao < 1504236679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1504236681 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1504236681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:and Don Ho. \ ☃//Frosty the Snowman / had a very shiny nose / And everywhere that Frosty went / the nose was sure to go. \ coulor//Coulor is the correct spelling. \ אrjan//אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms. < 1504237977 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504238251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504238884 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504242069 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504242415 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An­other im­por­tant ap­pli­ca­tion of time travel is in com­put­ing. Many newer mi­cro­proces­sors take ad­van­tage of retro­ca­usal con­nec­tions as part of their branch pre­dic­tion and cache prefetch hard­ware, en­abling much higher per­for­mance and clock speeds than be­fore." < 1504247878 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504248275 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504249292 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504251531 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504251814 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504251862 0 :mroman!a0556846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.104.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504252775 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504253015 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504253234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504253808 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504254289 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504255130 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504255826 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504259689 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504259891 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504259958 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504261464 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504262229 0 :mroman!a0556846@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.104.70 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504264249 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504265779 0 :zseri!5e86cd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.205.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504265815 0 :zseri!5e86cd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.205.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrub? < 1504265963 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504266216 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504266758 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504266849 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1504267872 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504271744 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, my city produces so much sewage that I am able to build a seaport on Shit Creek < 1504274088 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504274351 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504276173 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504276416 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504277920 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504277961 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504277976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504279642 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504280999 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504281024 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1504281131 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oom < 1504281887 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504281995 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504282407 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do cpus use flags < 1504282415 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have three op instructions < 1504282432 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might as well have blt target_addr, r0, r1 < 1504282452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's typically because in old CPUs, it's easy to set flags as a side effect without losing any performance < 1504282477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding more ops to an instruction costs performance because the instruction takes longer to read and decode < 1504282641 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 3 operands bad? < 1504282647 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just different < 1504282654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tradeoffs with any instruction length < 1504282672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things being equal, though, you want the machine code to be as short as possible so that more of it fits in the cache < 1504282815 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno anything about modern microcode designs, but in older machines, it's basically free to set a flag since you can hardwire it < 1504282848 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's used either extremely frequently or extremely infrequently, it has advantages over making it configurable < 1504282882 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in modern machines, setting the flag is basically free, reading it can be rather more expensive though (because it introduces a dependency) < 1504282930 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :for jumps in particular, it also lets you compress the jump instructions if they always use the same register to read from < 1504283100 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly hardware optimize them too? < 1504283128 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case jumps are always absolute < 1504283141 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the address always is in a register < 1504283165 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1504283169 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there are also relative jumps < 1504283179 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are 12bit one's complement < 1504283192 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can jump forward/back 2048 < 1504283205 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :times 4 even < 1504283211 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an instruction is 4 bytes < 1504283213 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aligned < 1504283218 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: what's your opinion on skip/jump instruction sets? < 1504283224 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can multiply the relative address by 4 < 1504283227 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all conditionals skip one instruction if they succeed, and all jumps are unconditional? < 1504283266 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've never used one < 1504283279 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can jump forwards/backwards 2047 instructions < 1504283286 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds nice though? < 1504283290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used at least one, possibly more < 1504283297 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode has skips :D < 1504283300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it'd be good for branch target prediction < 1504283320 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1504283322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the one I'm thinking of was on a processor with pipeline length 2, so it could implement a skip simply by flushing the pipeline < 1504283329 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: because all jumps are unconditional < 1504283337 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1504283343 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still don't know whether the jumps are taken or not < 1504283360 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you still don't know where to prefetch stuff from < 1504283381 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it solves one of the problems with branch prediction < 1504283385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the main one < 1504283389 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this makes me wonder whether you could have two pipelines < 1504283395 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one always fetches the thing from the jump < 1504283399 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for branch prediction, you know what I'd like? < 1504283404 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just switch pipeline if the jump is taken < 1504283428 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: with long pipelines that doesn't work if there are multiple jumps in succession < 1504283430 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call it "speculative decoding" < 1504283436 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is common with if/else if chains < 1504283516 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculative execution is a real field of study, though, so there's probably something similar that works < 1504283524 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kind of marking for a conditional jump where the programmer claims the result for the jump will be available early. when the decoder encounters such a jump, it doesn't try to predict whether the jump condition is true or false, instead it just stalls the decoder and hopes the execution unit will be able to supply the input for that condition early enough that it knows for sure whether the branch is taken, and when it knows, that's when it will continue < 1504283570 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since you (the programmer) make that condition available early and not modify it in later statements, there's still statements to execute in the execution pipline when the decoder can continue working < 1504283598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this is a bit harder to do in an architecture like x86 that has too few instructions that don't modify the flags < 1504283617 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like the "delay slots" technique < 1504283619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could do the same for an indirect jump, but that's a less common case) < 1504283627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all jump instructions have no effect for another X instructions, and then act immediately < 1504283659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a fairly smart compiler but it gets around all the branch instruction issues, and unlike VLIW and friends, the source code is still compact < 1504283683 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but "it needs a fairly smart compiler but" never works in practice < 1504283696 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tried that ten times < 1504283699 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just never works < 1504283704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: gcc already has code for implementing this, I think < 1504283708 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such CPUs are used in practice < 1504283726 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it has now for mips twenty years later. < 1504283734 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't bode well if you design a new cpu with it < 1504283747 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the delay slot design even makes much sense with today's cpus < 1504283749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just write a gcc and llvm backend at the same time < 1504283754 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made sense for a fixed instruction time schedule < 1504283778 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it doesn't work so well with the modern parallel pipeline < 1504283786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would nonetheless help to reduce branch prediction penalties < 1504283793 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if not zero them < 1504285595 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504285646 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504285853 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1504286010 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.79.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504286121 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504286822 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504287313 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.79.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504287367 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504289026 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing yet another VM. < 1504289033 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly... < 1504289042 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of an ABI layer for processes < 1504289046 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OSes < 1504289050 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1504289067 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is a VM with complete process isolation < 1504289086 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can safely run programs in it < 1504289118 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "container"? < 1504289129 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a container < 1504289129 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1504289141 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you planning to use Linux's existing functionality for that, or to write your own? < 1504289179 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write it OS dependent as a reference implementation. < 1504289183 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OS independent < 1504289246 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an OS on top of an OS. < 1504289291 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "selinux" < 1504289372 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the idea is that you can load dynamic libraries with restricted permissions < 1504289388 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that if you use a math library < 1504289393 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and invoke sqrt(x) < 1504289403 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sqrt(x) is not running in the context of the current user < 1504289406 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as current OS do < 1504289433 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were to be a security vulnerability in sqrt(x) < 1504289442 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be very restricted with what you can do with it < 1504289465 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would run in a "computation only" context meaning you have absolutely zero I/O available < 1504289524 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise processes will be started in a restricted environment as well < 1504289528 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if you have a text editor < 1504289546 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a root directory of course (containing the binary of itself and stuff) < 1504289561 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will only have permissions to the file opened and that root directory < 1504289577 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there were an error in the parsing code of that text editor < 1504289585 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so what happens if someone does sqrt(-1) and raises a signal? < 1504289587 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a form of I/O < 1504289589 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the damage would be _very_ restricted. < 1504289595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does error handling have its own rules? < 1504289624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang where the primary form of output is through timing? < 1504289637 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by signal you mean like linux signals? < 1504289655 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1504289659 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: have you seen Fuschia? < 1504289663 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computation only can't even call os functions < 1504289710 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this has implications on programmers < 1504289719 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you wouldn't design software like < 1504289726 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-164-38-142.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504289731 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what about a hardware exception? < 1504289733 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub parse(string path) end sub < 1504289747 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a divide-by-0 < 1504289748 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sub parse(stream path) end sub < 1504289753 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the I/O in a different component < 1504289759 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd seperate I/O from non-I/O < 1504289791 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: terminates the process. < 1504289810 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that seems like a loophole < 1504289815 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1504289826 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an externally-visible side effect < 1504289832 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504289840 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a malicioius library could crash the process at an inopportune moment < 1504289845 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean a div-by-zero in another component? < 1504289848 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1504289852 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I write the sqrt component < 1504289855 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call sqrt < 1504289860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the less-malicious alternative would involve checked exceptions < 1504289863 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decide that this time, I'm actually going to divide by 0 and crash you instead < 1504289867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that requires changes to the programming languages < 1504289879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't just do it on binaries, it'd be part of the ABI < 1504289914 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although come to think of it, ABI violations are another possibility; say the calling convention says that you're supposed to restore r10 to its original value before returning from a function, what happens if the called code doesn't?) < 1504289917 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't thought too much about that < 1504289925 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :security wise a div-by-zero isn't too much to worry about < 1504289936 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I haven't thought about that aspect yet < 1504289944 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, or any other sort of illegal instruction < 1504289946 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case the process dies < 1504289949 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think you would like fuschia < 1504289975 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1504289980 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: fuchsia" < 1504289981 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nope. probably not" < 1504290013 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link? < 1504290015 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems hard to google < 1504290018 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia < 1504290021 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google likes fuchsia more < 1504290056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't xkcd find that "fuchsia" is the most frequently misspelled colour name? < 1504290071 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because the spelling is dumb < 1504290091 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1504290096 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounced fuchsia < 1504290097 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1504290103 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you misspell that? < 1504290110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo "colour" is the most frequently misspelled color name < 1504290116 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written as it's spelled < 1504290141 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK pronunciation is more like "fyew-sha" < 1504290149 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's how I pronounce it as well < 1504290155 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ch before s makes me want to do a german/irish ch < 1504290174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: was that a reply to my comment? if so, how did you type it that fast? < 1504290178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's the US pronunciation too. < 1504290197 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had 6 seconds! < 1504290211 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :German is best language ever anyway < 1504290213 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hat man mir gesagt. < 1504290214 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually type between 80-100 WPM < 1504290216 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How you do pronounce "fuchsia" so it makes *sense*? < 1504290225 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 seconds at my end < 1504290231 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuck Sia"? < 1504290234 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno. I can't even pronounce it in Irish because the vowels are wrong < 1504290237 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty worrying, I might have passed out momentarily or something < 1504290245 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when did you sleep? < 1504290251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning < 1504290264 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not sleep deprivation probably < 1504290295 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sent to hospital a few months ago because I fainted for no apparent reason < 1504290305 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they couldn't figure out the cause, and it hasn't happened again < 1504290311 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1504290314 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :( < 1504290328 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't happen this time, though; there are a few tests you can perform to figure out if you just fainted < 1504290331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's unrelated < 1504290349 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fʊχsɪa < 1504290350 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1504290353 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an IPA expert < 1504290482 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so "fuck sia" indeed. :P < 1504290542 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for anyone wondering: excessive sweat, especially from the forehead; skin and especially lips are white; low blood pressure, although that's hard to self-assess) < 1504290546 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :futSsya < 1504291542 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the club < 1504291551 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of undiagnosably ill people < 1504291668 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :80WPM? < 1504291674 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kinda low. < 1504291678 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100WPM is ok < 1504291749 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: my limiting factor is usually deciding what to write, not the actual typing < 1504291780 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I use a keyboard that I value for its comfort, although it's not the fastest tool < 1504291798 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by ok I mean good < 1504291803 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a bad day I type 100WPM < 1504291807 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a good day about 120 < 1504291813 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a very good day I'll hit 120 < 1504291827 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't IRC as much as I used to and that's how I learned to type quickly < 1504291832 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming has much lower WPM demands < 1504291872 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few people can sustain 120WPM for more than 2 minutes < 1504291909 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a really good ergonomic setup < 1504291912 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shorter nails < 1504291930 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: I've been sick since uhm. < 1504291936 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 years < 1504291937 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1504291942 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof :( < 1504291956 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows why < 1504291973 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I've been in the club of undiagnosably ill people for ages < 1504291995 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only measurable thing is elevated transaminasis. < 1504292006 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some kind of mucus-related or salivary problem that I've seen several doctors about; none could figure it out, but through numerous experiments I discovered that it could be managed simply by drinking water frequently < 1504292010 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not elevated enough to indicate anything in particular. < 1504292018 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salivary problem? < 1504292019 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough? < 1504292042 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in xerostomia? < 1504292061 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it causes excess mucus production whenever I rehydrate < 1504292081 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has knock-on effects of its own < 1504292097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the easy way to prevent it causing trouble is just never dehydrating so that I never have to rehydrate < 1504292123 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504292153 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :weord < 1504292158 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weird < 1504292185 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "weord" is a weird word. ) < 1504292189 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my body temperature is too high < 1504292192 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tired all the time < 1504292203 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes deliriously tired at 4pm < 1504292234 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gotten weirder for the last two weeks < 1504292241 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't go to the doctor anymore < 1504292298 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better go home, anyway < 1504292314 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504292314 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be online at some point later but possibly not today, maybe not even for a few days < 1504292340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504292340 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will you be reachable by email> < 1504292344 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah damn < 1504292497 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wounder what the actual effect would be of having a container ship sail on a river of pure untreated sewage and chemical waste < 1504292552 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cities:skylines, the main effect is that business on the shores of Shit Creek is booming < 1504292629 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the engines could be stirring up trouble, quite literally. < 1504292878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504293081 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cause of accident: hull dissolved in sewage" < 1504293494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1504293997 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504294033 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1504294170 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504294420 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504294906 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504294929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504295156 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olleho < 1504295188 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504295562 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504295811 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504296038 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make the calculation of leap year needing only one division operation, such as the MMIX code: DIV $0,$0,100; GET $1,rR; CSZ $1,$1,$0; AND $1,$1,3; now if $1=0 then it is a leap year, otherwise it is not a leap year. (These instructions are 63 oops in MMIX.) < 1504296181 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSZ? < 1504296198 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1? < 1504296260 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The $0 and $1 are registers, while CSZ X,Y,Z means to set X to Z if Y is zero. < 1504296285 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GET? < 1504296290 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rR? < 1504296322 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reads the special register rR into $1, where rR is the remainder register. < 1504296355 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see. < 1504296403 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't x86 div put the remainder somewhere? < 1504296405 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that IDIV < 1504296410 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was IDIV for signed numbers < 1504296423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504296447 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what x86 does < 1504296471 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504296549 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know, you can try to figure out the way for x86 (or even for 8088) < 1504296651 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both DIV and IDIV do the same -- they divide a double-wide number (in ax, dx:ax, edx:eax or rdx:rax) by a regular-sized number (the operand), and put the regular-sized quotient in al/ax/eax/rax and the remainder in ah/dx/edx/rdx. < 1504297150 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good refernece for learning to use sqlite better? < 1504297204 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the SQLite documentation. < 1504297426 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.antigen: points 13.21, score 35.52, rank 5/47 (+1) < 1504297430 0 :zseri!5e86cd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.205.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there DIV and IDIV? what's the difference between them? < 1504297453 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiv treats numbers as signed < 1504297461 0 :Lowlight!~IceChat9@2a01:e35:2e28:49a0:a0a3:9c49:1b93:1e7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504297485 0 :Lowlight!~IceChat9@2a01:e35:2e28:49a0:a0a3:9c49:1b93:1e7 PART #esoteric : < 1504298047 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: add and sub works for both unsigned and signed numbers (two's complement) < 1504298050 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mul div doesn't. < 1504298052 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's imul and idiv. < 1504298330 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also an imul r, r/m variant that works with two values of the same size, updating the first with the result; there is no mul variant for that because it would produce the same results) < 1504298455 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I forgot the slightly crazy imul r, r/m, imm variant... which assigns to the first operant the second operant multiplied with the immediate. < 1504298492 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does x86_64 still have all those? < 1504298539 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so < 1504298636 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the immediate restricted to 32 bits when using 64 bit operands. Which is fine; afaiui it's really designed for indexing into arrays with large element sizes. < 1504298819 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504298885 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504298950 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504299032 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504299167 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504299953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering the idea of a massivley multiplayer game where game-logic is entirely implemented as constraints and stored procedures < 1504299967 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think massively multiplayer and that design go together < 1504301141 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504301196 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504302029 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1504302038 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a mmo in sql < 1504302065 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massively multiplayer online database < 1504302093 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1504302095 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using sqlite < 1504302097 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite has no stored procedures, although you can use triggers inatead. < 1504302099 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one file on a smb share < 1504302103 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and players connect to the share < 1504302146 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triggers in SQLite can't have statements that have WITH at start, although WITH is allowed in subqueries and so on. < 1504302182 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: If you do that < 1504302186 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll create distributed brainfuck < 1504302226 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1504302228 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll create it even if you don't. < 1504302232 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything to do anyway < 1504302344 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me do my VM stuff first. < 1504302396 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got six months left < 1504302401 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gotta do something useful in that time < 1504302407 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and distributed brainfuck isn't that useful. < 1504302675 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504302826 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Quit: gotta go < 1504302851 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504302971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504303001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504304647 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504305703 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504305785 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504305896 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504306010 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504306370 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone make a hardware implementation of MIX (including punch cards and magnetic tapes and everything else like that too)? < 1504306609 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504306715 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504306792 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504306925 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504306992 0 :zseri!5e86cd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.205.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1504307274 0 :zseri!5e86cd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.205.45 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504307458 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504307841 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504308236 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504308984 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504309412 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504309412 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1504309412 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504310011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this MIX program to tell you if a year is a leap year and also what day of the week is January 1: http://sprunge.us/TdAc < 1504310103 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504310174 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It expects entering a Gregorian AD year number on the typewriter and then will write the result also on the typewriter. < 1504310181 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504310229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1504310685 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1504311387 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504311812 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this method "STA *+1(0:2)" and stuff like that common in MIX programs? < 1504313534 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504314524 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I dare put a character named "Mallock" in a story about memory" < 1504314548 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care < 1504314758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had really strong soju at work today! < 1504314782 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to play cities: skylines! < 1504315480 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504315660 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504316511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504317700 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504318000 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504318085 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504319135 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504319215 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504320081 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504321266 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504321441 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504321655 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Behrooz Binary 5* 10New user account < 1504322285 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504324283 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azzxufkqdmkvyuwd JOIN :#esoteric < 1504324804 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :100000 residents! < 1504324807 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/wbaOWxK < 1504324886 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/e6QHSLr < 1504325807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another bug in MIXPC that LDiN and LDXN are not work. I found the mistake so that I can fix it. < 1504326196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52980&oldid=52977 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+357) 10+[[MIX (Knuth)]] < 1504327632 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504329281 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504329561 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504329730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is chanterelles < 1504329732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is chanterelles < 1504329946 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504330775 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call the next district after "Extra Orenburg"? < 1504330793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/yM8y8dB < 1504331024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Orenchugladitsnotorenburg < 1504331177 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ankh-morpork for wherever that sewage continues to < 1504333010 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :orenville < 1504333269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orengrad < 1504333362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :santoreno < 1504338655 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azzxufkqdmkvyuwd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504339485 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Excess Flood < 1504339498 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1504339627 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504340591 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504340735 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504342174 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504342578 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504342592 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1504342616 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mroman < 1504342627 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's mrome? < 1504342684 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrome what? < 1504342778 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :an < 1504342780 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn < 1504343367 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blubb < 1504344542 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504345254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Skastic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52981&oldid=52932 5* 03Mypalmike 5* (+23) 10 < 1504345356 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Skastic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52982&oldid=52981 5* 03Mypalmike 5* (+35) 10 < 1504346349 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504347181 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504347926 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504348673 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504349239 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504349260 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504350284 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504350549 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504350740 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504352673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52983 5* 03Zseri 5* (+4336) 10Created page with "Pronounced ''toons-whack'', '''TEWNLSWAC''' is an idea for a programming language by [[User:Zseri]]. It's initially derived from [[TEWELSWAC]], but uses a very different synta..." < 1504352745 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52984&oldid=52983 5* 03Zseri 5* (-1) 10/* External Resources */ < 1504352997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52985&oldid=52984 5* 03Zseri 5* (+112) 10add labels < 1504353342 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52986&oldid=52954 5* 03Zseri 5* (+16) 10+TEWNLSWAC < 1504353371 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally added my own esolang to the wiki < 1504353423 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang page is still not complete, but only the section about object orientation is missing. < 1504354381 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504354419 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52987&oldid=52985 5* 03Zseri 5* (+1285) 10+Object Orientied Programming < 1504354427 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ,done < 1504356020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52988&oldid=52987 5* 03Zseri 5* (-18) 10''a'' command: parentheses no longer needed (keep up to date with interpreter) < 1504356091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zseri14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52989&oldid=52304 5* 03Zseri 5* (+32) 10+Own languages < 1504356356 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504356445 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504356462 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm holding lectures last week and next week. < 1504356473 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna do my lectures < 1504356479 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I'm gonna go. < 1504356609 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504356727 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504356739 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504356741 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52990&oldid=52988 5* 03Zseri 5* (+645) 10+VM memory model < 1504356981 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504357145 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504357421 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504357513 0 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504357513 0 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1504357513 0 :[io]!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504357659 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504358304 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Quit: moo < 1504358549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52991&oldid=52990 5* 03Zseri 5* (-79) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ < 1504358594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52992&oldid=52991 5* 03Zseri 5* (+17) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ fix indent < 1504359263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52993&oldid=52992 5* 03Zseri 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ update link < 1504359347 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWELSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52994&oldid=52231 5* 03Zseri 5* (+15) 10/* External Resources */ update link < 1504359411 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. With mismatching monitor sizes, X doesn't let me move the cursor to the other screen if it would go to the invisible area. (I was hoping that part of the border would just clamp to the bottom of the other screen.) < 1504359802 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504360407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52995&oldid=52993 5* 03Zseri 5* (+178) 10+Unary Operators < 1504362326 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504363715 0 :moony!?@? NICK :moonheart08 < 1504363786 0 :moonheart08!?@? NICK :moony_tablet < 1504363798 0 :moony_tablet!?@? NICK :VERSION < 1504363967 0 :VERSION!?@? NICK :moony < 1504366614 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some configuration of that? < 1504366640 0 :* Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d: PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in Oxford now < 1504367259 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504367515 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504367539 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re < 1504367769 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504367807 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1504368443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* 10New user account < 1504368716 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52996&oldid=52979 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (+253) 10 < 1504369165 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here comes a new bf derivative :D < 1504369169 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504369188 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair.. Härdfish is also kinda a bf derivative < 1504370080 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new in that derivative < 1504370160 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504370235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52997&oldid=52995 5* 03Zseri 5* (+21) 10inspired < 1504370278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504370520 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-138-86.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504370661 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504370692 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: START isn't even an operation or pseudo-op, and END needs an argument. what's that about? < 1504370732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It isn't MIXAL it is a bit different. < 1504370753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and what's the point of those extra IN statements? < 1504370791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones you mean? < 1504370812 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the comment "It is a leap year" < 1504370844 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To read the card " IS NOT A LEAP YEAR" and skip it, so that the next card it reads will be " IS A LEAP YEAR" < 1504370931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that make sense now? < 1504371030 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The program does work; I have tested it. I can provide the compiled deck too if you wanted it, whether base 100, base 64, or independent.) < 1504371120 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah I see. fancy human-readable output read from the localization data at the end of the program to attract the young who hasn't been pulled into computer programming yet. that's a good idea, I support it < 1504371138 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like, who is this "king karl" who declared war on me? < 1504371143 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I was like, OH SHIT < 1504371254 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you got king Carl 14 Gustaf of Sweden to declare a war on you? What did you do? < 1504371328 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this way of copying rA and rX into index registers common in MIX programming? < 1504371385 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno < 1504371427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, Charlemagne < 1504371440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse for me < 1504371467 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: whoa. isn't he already dead? did a regent declare war in his name? < 1504371553 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, what's with the PUNCH header? doesn't the assembler just stop reading after one more card after END so you just put extra cards readable by the program directly after them without any formatting? < 1504371569 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504371571 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no wait, it can't work that way < 1504371577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's a loader involved < 1504371587 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm in 769 AD < 1504371602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: whoa.... is that timezone shenanigans? < 1504371609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't raise someone from death < 1504371610 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing as the Ummayad Sultan in CKII < 1504371612 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real tiem travel? < 1504371614 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MIXPC assembler does not stop reading after END; you can add further pseudo-ops there (specifically, ORG, EQU, PUNCH, and DECK are allowed, as well as comments). < 1504371616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504371645 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does it know when to stop reading then? < 1504371651 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504371677 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: it's funnier than hardfuck < 1504371678 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: By EOF. This assembler is not itself written in MIX, so it can be done (it is also a two pass assembler). < 1504371700 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it stop reading one card after END, and perhaps the operator just removes the rest of cards and puts them after the loader card stack as routine? < 1504371717 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just submit the data as a separate stack < 1504371750 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a single stack might simplify things if the punchers are heavily underpaid unqualified workers < 1504371750 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: In a hardware implementation you may very well do that if you are using MIXAL written in MIX itself with the source program on cards. < 1504371779 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to be written in MIX itself. it could be any other computer driving a punch card reader < 1504371781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you probably would combine the decks, as there doesn't seem a real reason to submit it as an extra stack if it is static data that is part of the program.) < 1504371797 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, that too < 1504371850 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could run the program on an expensive MIX machine with a fast cpu and lots of extra devices, and the assembler on a cheap almost-MIX machine. < 1504371876 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that's slow and only has 4000 RAM and a punch card reader and a puncher and nothing else. < 1504371925 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ < 1504371933 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem like a guy who might be intersted in that talk < 1504371978 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can do that, although the MIXPC assembler is not designed to read the program from cards; it even uses characters that are not in the MIX character set (such as quotation marks), and the DECK pseudo-op reads an external file (it is meant for use with externally prepared data, that may have output using a MIX program, and needs a filename) < 1504372005 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1504372035 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the assembly program could be entered through a terminal directly without punching < 1504372123 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU MIX assembler also uses quotation marks though < 1504372169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the bunny ears are on the same code as some other character, like the at sign < 1504372215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you actually do want MIXAL, you could provide an implementation in MIX that is already compiled and you will be able to run it. < 1504372745 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-138-86.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504373079 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could also use another standalone implementation that produces an executable deck; the GNU MIX assembler does not, although it can use MIXAL input (the quotation marks are optional).) < 1504373096 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-138-86.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504373257 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made a hardware MIX implementation (with punch cards and that stuff) yet? < 1504373330 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. I haven't seen one in http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/simplex/ringhome.html at least. < 1504373549 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there surely at least exists an FFPGA implementation? < 1504373554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1504373556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ᛁᚿ//ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏ < 1504373597 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: dunno, I'm a software guy, I don't usually see what that would win over a pure software emu on a conventional computer, in cases like this where you don't lose much performance by such an emulation < 1504373644 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone have mention to me to try to make it in Verilog myself, but I do not have any computer punch cards. < 1504373697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do understand there are people who prefer stuff encoded in wires they solder with their own hand < 1504373727 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a terminal with tape then? you need only one or the other < 1504373769 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a custom adapter card between the card reader/punch or the terminal and the computer, which is quite complicated < 1504373812 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punch card reader or terminal or disk drive has all the mechanical parts, but the controller used to have all the complicated electronics, back before cheap ICs. < 1504373833 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they used to have two hard disks or two floppy disks on one controller in such a way that it can control only one at a time < 1504373842 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you could, although an implementation that supports all of the I/O of MIX would be something to see, by anyone who is interested in working with these old computer, I suppose. < 1504373869 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keyboard and mouse, funnily, have most of the electronics in them though. I don't understand why. < 1504373918 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the keyboard it sort of makes sense, because you have to reduce the hundred keys to just a few wires somewhere, but why in the mouse? < 1504373994 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1504374058 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although keyboards back then lasted way more than these cheap junk people buy these days, so it wasn't like you're throwing away an expensive keyboard controller when the keyboard wears off after two years < 1504374088 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504374091 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like the old IBM Model F keyboard, which however they do not seem to make anymore < 1504374199 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that the stereotypical two-finger hunt and peck 20 wpm medical assistant who's paid for one job, to type what the doctor dictates, would deserve a real keyboard, but still, they buy some of that junk at my workplace... oh I SEE! we have to give something to the stupid interns! yes, it all makes sense now.) < 1504374241 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, I have a real keyboard for home now. and I have a Genius mouse that works really well and lasts quite long. < 1504374290 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have not too expensive but not too bad either keyboard and mouse and monitor at work now, after a few iterations of asking for better equipment < 1504374322 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system of giving junk to people at first and giving them real stuff only when they complain is actually a reasonable cost-saving measure < 1504374332 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because different people care about different things < 1504374396 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you give the guy who needs a comfy chair a comfy chair, and give the guy who needs a good keyboard a good keyboard, and the guy who wants sunshades on the window sunshades, it's way cheaper than preemptively putting comfy chairs and good keyboards at every workstation and sunshades on every window < 1504374404 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504374428 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works even in non-tech stuff like the coffee maker and coffee and milk they buy < 1504374470 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't believe how some people will work with monitors with a bright pixel, or keyboards with one key not working at all, until you see it < 1504374482 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are so different you never know what to expect < 1504374513 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504374520 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my co-workers actually started to work in an open space, as in rooms aren't completely separated by walls < 1504374531 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504374631 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504374880 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aluminum < 1504374881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504374883 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aluminium < 1504374884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504374887 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alminum < 1504374888 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alminum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504374892 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alumni < 1504374893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alumni? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504374909 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aluminiumminimumimmun < 1504374911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminiumminimumimmun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504374914 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504374961 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Alumni is a compromise spelling suggested to solve the aluminum vs aluminium debate that never really caught on, except in a few big colleges. < 1504374963 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'alumni': Alumni is a compromise spelling suggested to solve the aluminum vs aluminium debate that never really caught on, except in a few big colleges. < 1504375051 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in the Germanies „Alumni“ means „Absolvents“ < 1504375122 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it absorbs oxygen on the surface and mercury? < 1504375158 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hardware MIX implementation can be made that doesn't necessarily have punch cards and typewriter and so on, but does have the ability to connect to all of that equipment, and then you can also substitute other equipment such as a VDU instead of a typewriter if you want to, with the same interface for connection. < 1504375175 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504375419 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504375483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if it's already ASCII over a serial lines with given settings, then video terminal and print terminal are equivalent < 1504375512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the driver hardware is still nontrivial < 1504375534 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need some input/output device, either cards or terminal with tape, to use the computer < 1504375622 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504375671 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably you won't just invent a completely different I/O device once you go through the trouble of making a hardware MIX specifically instead of some other computer < 1504375705 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have better modern computers and don't have a use for MIX though < 1504375717 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes of course you do need some I/O devices, and probably you are correct you won't just invent a new kind < 1504375719 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't care much even about an emulator < 1504375904 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protoss < 1504375905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protoss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504375906 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zerg < 1504375907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll try to think of an entry here, but we don't want to rush it. < 1504375908 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? terran < 1504375909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terran? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504375976 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just use software implementations and so don't need a hardware implementation either, although still it can be interesting to see for similar reasons that EDSAC is rebuilt and the other old-style computers that some people like to make. < 1504376013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had punch cards then a hardware implementation would be useful to me of course, since I would use that to write a program to read the cards. < 1504376105 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-138-86.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504376375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52998&oldid=52997 5* 03Zseri 5* (+79) 10global/local vars < 1504376806 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504377105 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504378211 0 :[io]!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1504378522 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504378873 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? /ꙩ\ < 1504378874 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ꙩ\? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504378877 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? illuminati < 1504378878 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminati? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504378885 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sauron < 1504378886 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sauron is the eponymous protagonist of the Lord of the Rings series. He serves primarily as narrator and the main driver of the plot. His heroic exploits include the resurrection of the Kings of Men and the conquest of the racists of Gondor. < 1504378948 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn Sauron is the eponymous protagonist of the Lord of the Rings series. He serves primarily as narrator and the main driver of the plot. His heroic exploits include the resurrection of the Kings of Men and the conquest of the racists of Gondor. He now leads the Illuminati from his pyramid fort /ꙩ\ . < 1504378949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn Sauron is the eponymous protagonist of the Lord of the Rings series. He serves primarily as narrator and the main driver of the plot. His heroic exploits include the resurrection of the Kings of Men and the conquest of the racists of Gondor. He now leads the Illuminati from his pyramid fort /ꙩ\ .? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504378958 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sauron is the eponymous protagonist of the Lord of the Rings series. He serves primarily as narrator and the main driver of the plot. His heroic exploits include the resurrection of the Kings of Men and the conquest of the racists of Gondor. He now leads the Illuminati from his pyramid fort /ꙩ\ . < 1504378961 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'sauron': Sauron is the eponymous protagonist of the Lord of the Rings series. He serves primarily as narrator and the main driver of the plot. His heroic exploits include the resurrection of the Kings of Men and the conquest of the racists of Gondor. He now leads the Illuminati from his pyramid fort /ꙩ\ . < 1504379310 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504379549 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504379555 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1504379629 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrooman? < 1504380466 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought another possible extension into MIX can be a card sorter unit; IOC (16) will control it, where the address field tells it which area to put the most recently read card into. It is an error to use it on a card that has already been sorted. (Maybe there might be a better way though) < 1504380527 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly wonders whether he has any chance of recognizing Taneb if he should run into him some time next week.
< 1504380544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, y'all're at ICFP? < 1504380581 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll sneak into ICFP a bit but I'm there for FSCD and an associated workshop. < 1504380598 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no sneakiness required, this is officially permitted) < 1504380616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family Support for Children with Disabilities? < 1504380623 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that's colocated with ICFP < 1504380627 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1504380650 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/conferences/fscd2017/ < 1504380679 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he's an inventor, so maybe look a professor in his fifties with grey hair, bushy mustache, thick-framed glasses, and so forgetful he wears non-matching socks? < 1504380709 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he's a non-stereotypical inventor < 1504380735 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too bad I forgot the secret #esoteric handshake ;-) < 1504380740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1504380742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1504380889 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you look at the ICFP full program you'll find FSCD listed as a separate track, which is a bit weird, but probably good for the visibility of FSCD.) < 1504380909 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think you have more of a chance of recognizing me than I have what you < 1504380998 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that list of home-built computers I found the "Qibec" computer, which seems to be the same as the TOGA computer described in esolang wiki. < 1504381034 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, you're looking for a tall, skinny, white student volunteer with fluffy brown hair and thick eyebrows, possibly wearing glasses < 1504381045 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a mathematics conference < 1504381051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: maths < 1504381052 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms. < 1504381064 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conferences have conference food, which is usually worse than < 1504381069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: foods < 1504381070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac. < 1504381120 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :conference food varies wildly < 1504381133 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: biology < 1504381134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: biology? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504381141 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: chemistry < 1504381143 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: chemistry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504381147 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: economycs < 1504381149 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: economycs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504381150 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: economics < 1504381151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: economics? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504381153 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: military < 1504381154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: military? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504381159 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, those ones are classified < 1504381168 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the military inventions that is < 1504381182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for ten years, after that they'll be hopelessly obsolete < 1504381192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the maths inventions, which live forever < 1504381216 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't Curry's paradox be in the foods category? < 1504381218 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like naive set theory. < 1504381317 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a tall, skinny, white student volunteer with fluffy brown hair and thick eyebrows, possibly wearing glasses" oh great. now you've described like half of the population of the conference < 1504381317 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also conjectures are often rather shortlived (though most of those never become famous). < 1504381348 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be banking on the IRC name being accurate.
< 1504381357 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1504381414 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: brb < 1504381485 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504381542 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because there's a big market for conjectures, so most have to be made by unqualified people. Only very few mathematicians have mastered the art of making really good conjectures, ones that spawn an entire branch of research after their death. These include Fermat, Hilbert, Erdős, and a few more. < 1504381581 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we agree that not all math inventions live forever? < 1504381594 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now Gil Kalai too I think. < 1504381602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1504381621 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have way more chance of living forever than military inventions < 1504381624 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with the P=1 conjecture < 1504381627 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody disproved it yet. < 1504381643 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, my IRC name is accurate < 1504381645 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way those can live forever is if they manage to destroy civilization. < 1504381654 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh? < 1504381671 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you mean it's the same name as shown on your conference badge name tag? < 1504381767 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504381895 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, name as distinct from nick < 1504381918 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, I see it, I was just not sure what "accurate" meant < 1504381932 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would describe some other easily observable attribute < 1504381938 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504382004 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, I presume int-e could shout my name out and I'd be like "shit that's me" < 1504382018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have so many names. < 1504382079 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, any of them will do < 1504382119 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :van doom < 1504382173 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can recognize int-e too, from how he isn't swedish < 1504382188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1504382190 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. Er hat ein Hipster-Spiel gekauft. < 1504382211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure int-e isn't into swedes < 1504382382 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jojo < 1504382396 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :labered ir nur < 1504382447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rutabaga < 1504382448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutabaga? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504382477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's a mini-TAS-block in the Games Done Quick special, starting in a bit. < 1504382541 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Oh, this will be my horrible pun for the day: We have reduced the problem to a simple matter of badge processing. ) < 1504382569 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :schrecklich indeed. < 1504382593 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1504382654 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? satsuma < 1504382655 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :satsuma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504382737 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504383268 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing machine < 1504383269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383273 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing < 1504383274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing is what you are doing when you Tur. < 1504383279 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1504383287 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tur < 1504383288 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To tur is not to flas. < 1504383294 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flas < 1504383295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383299 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1504383410 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-58-225.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504383498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flass < 1504383499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flass? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383619 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1504383634 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you learn stuff with spaces? < 1504383654 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashlearn < 1504383664 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn < 1504383665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] [s][punctuation] [...] < 1504383668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1504383669 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1504383672 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le//rn < 1504383673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1504383685 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slashlearn < 1504383685 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin/learn < 1504383686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashlearn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/learn: No such file or directory < 1504383692 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ./bin < 1504383693 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ `^ \ `̀ \ ^.^ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ ( \ @ \ * \ # \ ؟ \ ⁗ \  \  \  \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ < 1504383698 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ./bin/learn < 1504383700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/learn < 1504383706 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ./bin/learn < 1504383707 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\?[:;,.!?]\? .*//') \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$1" >"$(echo-p "wisdom/$topic")" \ echo "$verb '$topic': $1" < 1504383719 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ./bin/le* < 1504383720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access ./bin/le*: No such file or directory < 1504383725 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls ./bin/le* < 1504383726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1504383731 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls ./bin/le* < 1504383732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/leann \ ./bin/learn \ ./bin/learn_append \ ./bin/learn_append2 \ ./bin/len \ ./bin/len.pl < 1504383742 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls ./bin/slash* < 1504383743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/slashes \ ./bin/slashlearn < 1504383748 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ./bin/slashlearn < 1504383749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sep="//" \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'Usage: `le/[/]rn //' >&2 ; exit 1; } \ key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)" \ value="${1#*$sep}" \ [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo -n "$verb '$key': $(echo "$value" | sed 's.^[ ].0,04&.')" < 1504383749 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ls le < 1504383756 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ls bin/le < 1504383768 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn turing machine//is a machine that turs. < 1504383768 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/le < 1504383770 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'turing machine': is a machine that turs. < 1504383772 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/le: No such file or directory < 1504383781 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls le < 1504383781 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm \ rn \ rn_append < 1504383785 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing complete < 1504383787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You complete a Turing when you Tur by a specified amount. < 1504383810 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing test < 1504383812 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing test? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383835 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`turing machine < 1504383836 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: turing: not found < 1504383840 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing machine < 1504383841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a machine that turs. < 1504383843 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd turingmachine//s=^=A Turing machine = < 1504383844 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud! < 1504383846 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf < 1504383853 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn turing machine//A turing machine is a machine that turs. < 1504383856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'turing machine': A turing machine is a machine that turs. < 1504383874 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed the space < 1504383885 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn turing test//A turing test tests by what amount you can tur. < 1504383885 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe' < 1504383887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'turing test': A turing test tests by what amount you can tur. < 1504383889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a machine that tures? < 1504383889 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap hackego < 1504383890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will count to five...
< 1504383893 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1504383895 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then? < 1504383905 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? enigma < 1504383905 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap hackego < 1504383905 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pushes hackego from his chair
< 1504383906 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383915 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap slap < 1504383915 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pulls slap through the Evil Mangler
< 1504383935 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( There's no turing back now. The pun will be with us forever. ) < 1504383943 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slahlearn enigma://Eine machine that encrypten all < 1504383944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slahlearn: not found < 1504383950 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn' < 1504383956 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn enigma://Eine machine that encrypten all < 1504383956 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maschine < 1504383958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'enigma:': Eine machine that encrypten all < 1504383961 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1504383963 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know german < 1504383965 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Maschiene < 1504383968 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be extra correct. < 1504383969 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is fake german :D < 1504383975 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's against the rules < 1504383981 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1504383984 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wosdom < 1504383985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules of wosdom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504383987 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how is that extra correct? < 1504383988 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wisdom < 1504383988 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? fake german? < 1504383989 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation < 1504383997 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1504383999 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø? < 1504384050 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? enigma < 1504384051 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504384052 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn enigma:// < 1504384054 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'enigma:': < 1504384063 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? enigma: < 1504384064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1504384072 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's cleared now :D < 1504384081 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1504384083 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Almost forgotten these days, the Enigma pioneered the "rotor" principle that is the foundation of the famous rot13 cipher. ) < 1504384129 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a 'learn' and a 'slashlearn' command? < 1504384140 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slashlearn < 1504384141 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashlearn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504384148 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1504384149 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1504384174 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la bin/le/rn < 1504384176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/le/rn: No such file or directory < 1504384182 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la le/rn < 1504384183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 17 Oct 28 2016 le/rn -> ../bin/slashlearn < 1504384187 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing machine < 1504384188 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A turing machine is a machine that turs. < 1504384195 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: to create more wisdom < 1504384233 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the spirit of eso, le/rn is magically two commands < 1504384270 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1504384325 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore, le//rn is no longer any different from le/rn < 1504384327 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I now lookup bitbucket / GregorR / hackbot < 1504384361 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole slashslash family of commands got slashed < 1504384394 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, will I need sun screen for oxford :P < 1504384403 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?\ < 1504384403 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the weather forecast says no) < 1504384418 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will I slashlearn then? < 1504384449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was inaccurate < 1504384455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1504384455 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 021853Z 25004KT 6SM HZ CLR 29/11 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP096 T02940111 < 1504384466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasas 39° here yesterday. < 1504384469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absurd. < 1504384479 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slashslash family slashed the slash family and the "slash" of its own name that became superfluous. < 1504384488 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1504384489 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 021920Z VRB01KT 9999 -RA FEW007 SCT015 BKN045 10/09 Q1018 NOSIG < 1504384500 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :been raining for days < 1504384513 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 commands, hm, make key lowercase, save the entry and output it again < 1504384559 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the (gone) different? < 1504384576 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/different/difference/ < 1504384579 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the treatment of slashes < 1504384616 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504384639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shaventions < 1504384640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet. < 1504384655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't shaventions include slashlearn? < 1504384665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat bin/slashlearn < 1504384674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5010:2014-10-02 ` echo $\'#!/bin/bash\\ntopic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | cut -d / -f 1)\\n[ -z "$topic" ] && exit 1\\nvalue=$(echo "$1" | cut -d / -f 2-)\\necho "$value" > wisdom/"$topic" && echo "Learned \xc2\xab$topic\xc2\xbb"\' > bin/slashlearn \ 5011:2014-10-02 ` chmod +x bin/slashlearn \ 5152:2014-11-19 ` sed < 1504384675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn foo/bar//baz used to create an entry "foo" with contents "bar//baz", because it cut things at the first slash. le//rn did what le/rn does now: create and entry "foo/bar" with contents "baz" < 1504384737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? curse < 1504384738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A curse is a curse, off course, of course. < 1504384739 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cur < 1504384740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cur? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504384743 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cursed < 1504384744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cursed? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504384748 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emu < 1504384749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emu? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504384927 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1504385079 0 :mroman!b2c5e08e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.224.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504385105 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to make the TEWNLSWAC language + interpreter more golfy, I think I've added enough shortcuts. < 1504385153 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough? < 1504385178 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504385261 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, enough < 1504385335 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. In TEWNLSWAC, you could simplify ''a = a.b()'' to ''a .= b'' < 1504385405 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ''a = c:i a'' to ''c:i a'' < 1504385444 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be a;_b. or something cryptic like that? < 1504385477 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504385530 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to use the same syntax or a similar syntax for similar things. < 1504385595 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most shortcuts are just combined assign expressions, but combined assign expressions, that someone would assume, like ''a += b'' aren't supported. < 1504385672 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can combine a bunch of ''a .= b; a .= c;'' ... into ''a .= {b c}'' < 1504385784 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's not the syntactic sugar that matters, but the (insert buzzword for new paradigm that's supposed to revolutionarize programming forever this month) < 1504385968 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at Arthur Whitney. where did all that dense syntactic sugar, lack of automatic promotion, and inhomogeneous lists take him? is he a respected esolang designer now? < 1504386028 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no he isn't. everyone just cares about brainfuck, which has about the least amount of syntactic sugar or paradigm you could imagine! < 1504386051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a stupid language, and look at how successful! < 1504386141 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1504386657 0 :wladz!~zuz@107.170.255.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504387026 0 :hazyPurple!~hazyPurpl@14.140.110.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504387082 0 :hazyPurple!~hazyPurpl@14.140.110.205 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1504387089 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504387721 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1504387722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​endomorphism//Endomorphisms are just final morphisms. < 1504387722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1504387723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :343) It's a Toy Story character, you uncultured fuck. < 1504387731 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1504387733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​zzo38//zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. < 1504387742 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1504387744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cackling Counterpart \ 1UU \ Instant \ Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. \ Flashback {5}{U}{U} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.) \ ISD-R, C14-R < 1504387753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one needs a refresh of the card database by the way < 1504387755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1504387756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil Comes to Fruition < 1504387756 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1504387765 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars < 1504387767 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supreme Leader Snoke < 1504387785 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1504387786 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok over low heat until flour and pour \ is thoroughly completely melatais set. Microwave each cake; boil 4 hours, \ until melted too mush of skillet in foil; add remaining 1/4 cup of cheese. \ Stir together flour, baking powder and leaves to a platter. \ Sprinkle with basil. Place fish filling into a large bowl; \ lemon juice only fill stems o < 1504387803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1504387804 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :king Chocolate Yeese Cookery, Muffins, Teles April Mix Typed for you've \ or that and the serving. \ \ From: Date: 08-06-92 Formant, 125 mg sodium, 4 5 dozen \ with fresh apricots, 2 cups, 1/4 cups, 2% of cookies, 1 1/2 (3 T) \ Date: \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: BUFFALO MEAN-LAPTI BREAD \ Categ < 1504387810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MMP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52999&oldid=50740 5* 03Zseri 5* (+250) 10improve formatting < 1504387852 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMMMM, that sounds lovely < 1504387863 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like one < 1504388098 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I could remove most of the (mostly useless) syntactic sugar and simplify the (buggy) BISON parser. < 1504388445 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504388508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504389118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1504389118 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 021953Z 27006KT 6SM HZ CLR 34/07 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP092 T03390067 < 1504389192 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-58-225.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504389489 0 :zseri!5e86db21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.219.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504389641 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504389734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504392613 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504393579 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504393910 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504396084 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1859@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.89 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504396096 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504396655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504398261 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504398545 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504398604 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53000&oldid=52973 5* 03LyricLy 5* (+358) 10 < 1504402900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504403437 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504403960 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a828:600b:3af4:8d81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504404408 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a828:600b:3af4:8d81 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1504404462 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504404996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch a legitimate user isn't getting past the spam filter < 1504405039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, do we really _want_ people with no reading comprehension... < 1504405141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there some way they might not be seeing the error message?) < 1504406417 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504406631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504406733 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504407229 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504407839 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504409518 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1} Artifact Creature (1/1) ;; When ~ enters the battlefield, if it is a token, you lose the game. Do you like this? < 1504409790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you use it? < 1504409828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a 1/1 creature for one mana, so that is one use. < 1504409841 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504409917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1504411065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zerg < 1504411066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll try to think of an entry here, but we don't want to rush it. < 1504411083 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh misread the logs < 1504411090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thought it was missing) < 1504411116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1504411121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:phantom_______hoover//It doesn't get any better than this. \ loodun//Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. \ luftballon//A Luftballon is an experimental weapon first developed by the German military in 1983 designed to scramble fighter jets, causing chaos and sta < 1504411127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1504411128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:rting wars between their enemies. \ oren//oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. He also has a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a and other shady characters. \ null pointer//Null pointers wer < 1504411145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1504411146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:e bred to be more exceptional than other pointers. However, the whole effort went nowhere. < 1504411163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What about two-storey lowercase g? < 1504411398 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate getting up in the middle of the night. < 1504411496 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you travelling somewhere? < 1504411600 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed. < 1504411655 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oxford, but not for ICFP directly, there's a second conference called FSCD colocated with ICFP) < 1504411686 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a lot of trouble just to avoid Taneb < 1504411745 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have discussed this a bit :P < 1504411768 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's the same building... it's not completely impossible that we'll meet. < 1504411844 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I make it there in one piece. < 1504411954 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1504411955 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 030250Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 -RA FEW006 BKN020 09/08 Q1017 < 1504411980 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, eww. But I guess -RA is better than Ra. < 1504412076 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, gotta go. < 1504412175 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504413293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? turing machine < 1504413294 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A turing machine is a machine that turs. < 1504413368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rm < 1504413369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ rm-p "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" < 1504413384 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l le/rm < 1504413385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 13 Oct 28 2016 le/rm -> ../bin/forget < 1504413516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? enigma: < 1504413518 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1504413533 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget enigma: < 1504413535 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1504414506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1504414507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the indecisive is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He thrice punned without noticing it. < 1504414532 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1504414644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like that wisdom entry is maybe overdone a tad hth < 1504414644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s,isiv,ipherabl, < 1504414646 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the indecipherable is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He thrice punned without noticing it. < 1504414661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? < 1504414704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hikhq, how'z jamz? < 1504414747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hwrl oerjan < 1504414748 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, you can type seven characters < 1504414755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1504414759 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oag bin/hwrl < 1504414760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl wisdom/oerjan < 1504414760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oag: not found < 1504414761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/log/tip/wisdom/oerjan < 1504414765 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/hwrl < 1504414772 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9814:2016-12-02 mkx bin/hwrl//echo \'come on, you can type seven characters\' < 1504414782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1504414790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely didn't remember that. < 1504414796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't. < 1504415008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should tanebvent a script that takes a commit id and turns it into a log URL < 1504415021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to account for time zones because tunes logs in Pacific time (I think?). < 1504415057 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: College going alright. < 1504415095 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 semesters away, whoo. < 1504415106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm scrapping < 1504415114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do now? < 1504415128 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unclear. < 1504415398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Should shachaf take up crocheting? < 1504415399 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I see it, yes. < 1504415406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. < 1504415482 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball What should shachaf take up? < 1504415482 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crocheting. < 1504415539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _not_ doing that cheat hth < 1504415691 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504415843 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spots 125 mg sodium in one of HackEgo's recipes. are you sure these are healthy?
< 1504415889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a blood test recently. < 1504415894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my sodium is slightly low. < 1504416220 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is hurrican Irma also going to Houston? < 1504416596 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504416787 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504417143 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1504418024 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise against taking a pill of pure sodium. < 1504418036 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might seem the most efficient, but it'll be a bit more exciting than you are likely to appreciate. < 1504418093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what if I balance it out by breathing some chlorine at the same time? < 1504418179 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'll add to the excitement. < 1504418546 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZKUqIjVPY < 1504419072 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504421425 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504422233 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504423386 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504424353 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moin < 1504425175 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504425243 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make more room for city, I flattened out the edge of this mountain < 1504425255 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/ADqkuVf < 1504425333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flattening tool automatically stops at the city limits, so you get a cliff hundreds of feet tall < 1504425449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I know that money exchanges at airports are ripoffs... but this is the first time I've seen an ATM run by such a money exchange, which offers the same, very favorable (to them, they're a factor 1.15 from the nominal rate) exchange rates... ) < 1504425474 0 :jhurricane96!0e8ba202@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.162.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504425570 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, I want to make a language to define rules for a 2d dungeon(rooms, paths and puzzles) with the compiler generating the dungeon < 1504425625 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules would describe interactions b/w items < 1504425649 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pointers on how to get started on something like this? < 1504425946 0 :jhurricane96!0e8ba202@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.162.2 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1504425952 0 :jhurricane96_!0e8ba202@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.162.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504425996 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-131-72.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504426385 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-131-72.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504427154 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-131-72.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504427477 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-131-72.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504427667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504429179 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1504429935 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504430127 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504430383 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504430439 0 :jhurricane96_!0e8ba202@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.162.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504430927 0 :zseri!5e86c527@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.197.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504431066 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-58-225.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504431447 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504431589 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504431828 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504432047 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504432175 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504432329 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504432593 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504432745 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504434322 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504434569 0 :zseri!5e86c527@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.197.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504434666 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Quit: * < 1504434675 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504434675 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1504434675 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1504434796 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504434945 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1504435695 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1504436707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504436800 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504436808 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504436812 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that a function that takes 2 arguments is a binary function, but is there a similar name for functions or operators with no arguments? < 1504437208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullary? < 1504437659 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1504437686 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use that word now in my esolang's page for TEWNLSWAC. < 1504438094 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53001&oldid=52998 5* 03Zseri 5* (-87) 10Expressions < 1504440447 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1504441937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53002&oldid=44705 5* 03Zseri 5* (+13) 10dead link < 1504442372 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's possible to write a brainfuck interpreter in TEWELSWAC or in TEWNLSWAC. < 1504442644 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be a translation of a subset of HashHell (#hell) to TEWNLSWAC < 1504443985 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-58-225.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504445154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Complode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53003&oldid=9684 5* 03Zseri 5* (+66) 10improve formatting < 1504446044 0 :^arcade_droid!?@? NICK :DTrump < 1504446068 0 :DTrump!?@? NICK :^arcade_droid < 1504448016 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504448261 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504449249 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53004&oldid=52399 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+0) 10 < 1504450513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Number Factory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53005&oldid=52623 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+54) 10 < 1504450660 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504450678 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504450868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Number Factory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53006&oldid=53005 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+224) 10 < 1504451619 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504451663 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1504451825 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C527.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504451895 0 :moony!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504451895 0 :moony!?@? NICK :Guest50143 < 1504451972 0 :Guest50143!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1504451985 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 QUIT :Changing host < 1504451985 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504452211 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504452247 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I finally got it. Hexchat works < 1504452678 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504454108 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504456027 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504456170 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504456418 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504456949 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504457029 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9 < 1504457032 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504457055 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504457199 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504457465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53007&oldid=53001 5* 03Zseri 5* (+30) 10/* Binary Operators */ < 1504457632 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504457705 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504458401 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-691-148.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504458622 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504458697 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-691-148.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504459369 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it seems I made it. < 1504460232 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1504460661 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :riding two of those weird winged things made of aluminium < 1504461646 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504462937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Crainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53008&oldid=9491 5* 03Zseri 5* (+13) 10dead link < 1504463948 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-159-070.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504464700 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504465008 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504465418 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504466018 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504466261 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504467243 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504467679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an answer from Andrej Bauer: https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/77487/decidable-properties-of-computable-reals/80811#80811 < 1504468697 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504471366 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504472046 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbLl14kjms < 1504473537 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504473569 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1504473753 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504473753 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504473949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504474251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504474320 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504474548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagrid14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53009 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (+1846) 10Created page with "'''Javagrid''' is a two dimensional language about programming in a 2 dimensional grid. It is still in development. ==Language overview== Code is written in cells. A cell co..." < 1504474648 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53010&oldid=52986 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (+15) 10 < 1504474762 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagrid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53011&oldid=53009 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (-14) 10 < 1504474801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53012&oldid=53007 5* 03Zseri 5* (+64) 10const-reference < 1504475031 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504475041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504475359 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzbuzz < 1504475367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzbuzz? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504475541 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504475551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504475560 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1504475565 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D2E4.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504476380 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504476608 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504476897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504476907 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504477073 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504478090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Implicit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53013 5* 03MD XF 5* (+578) 10Create page (reserve) < 1504478120 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimpleStack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53014 5* 03MD XF 5* (+578) 10Created page with "Implicit, also called SimpleStack, is a WIP language by MD XF. There are two types of commands: * Those that behave differently on strings than they do on integers/floats *..." < 1504478127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimpleStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53015&oldid=53014 5* 03MD XF 5* (-2) 10 < 1504478135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Implicit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53016&oldid=53013 5* 03MD XF 5* (-2) 10 < 1504478154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Implicit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53017&oldid=53016 5* 03MD XF 5* (+22) 10 < 1504478174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimpleStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53018&oldid=53015 5* 03MD XF 5* (+22) 10 < 1504478301 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimpleStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53019&oldid=53018 5* 03Ais523 5* (-576) 10please use redirects rather than creating multiple identical pages < 1504478975 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504479055 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504480271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504480385 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504480661 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504480783 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504480837 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1504481066 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1504482322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1127546339 < 1504482741 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504482809 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504482932 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504482947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504483102 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504483202 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1504483219 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504483905 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504485893 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504486980 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504488308 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504488341 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504488601 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504488808 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504489992 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504491383 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504491460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504491624 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504491912 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504492819 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FINALLY DID IT < 1504492823 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 K POPULATION < 1504492827 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1127628055 < 1504492837 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUHU! < 1504493108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is this about the time you send in the giant monsters? < 1504493143 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :only after copying his save file. :P < 1504493163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: do you have the CJam cheat sheet somewhere? someone marked the link as dead on the wiki page < 1504493179 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah http://foldr.moe/cjam.pdf < 1504493246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53020&oldid=53002 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-41) 10/* Instructions */ Fix link < 1504493290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1504493385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53021&oldid=53020 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10/* Instructions */ pdf warning < 1504494002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Official Crainfuck Distribution (dead link) (can someone please mirror this?)" apparently we couldn't. < 1504494042 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504494807 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504494930 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504495289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzbuzz < 1504495290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzbuzz? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504495312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziebuzzie < 1504495314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fizzbuzz is the enterprise version of counting, where you replace certain numbers by buzzwords. < 1504495318 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fizzbuzz': Fizzbuzz is the enterprise version of counting, where you replace certain numbers by buzzwords. < 1504495390 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And others by fizzwords. < 1504495432 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are technically correct. < 1504495460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't really improve the wisdom. < 1504495462 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, that one's actually pretty funny < 1504495468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1504495499 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I define "fizzword" as "a word used like a buzzword, but which was never meaningful" < 1504495499 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think tastes on wisdom entries vary. < 1504495508 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed < 1504495515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are all fizzwords buzzwords? < 1504495596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think buzzwords are generally originally meaningful, although the original meaning may have been dubiously useful at best and they may often be used in a way unrelated to their meaning < 1504495858 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in the future. I can charge my Dell laptop and Google phone using a charger made by Apple. < 1504495875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The future has plenty of downsides but this is nice. < 1504496283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the future brexit all, putin in downsides that trump everything ) < 1504496302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier today I tried connecting the printer to the USB on the front of the computer instead of the USB on the back, and this time it did not result a kernel panic < 1504496459 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it result in a kernel panic the previous time? < 1504496714 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1504496721 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever write up the rules to your jam? < 1504496734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a jam? < 1504496740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean game. < 1504496742 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504496761 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, although I've been thinking about them < 1504496767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to pin down certain details < 1504496996 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504497007 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504497053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Isny 5* 10New user account < 1504497114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sorts of details? < 1504497153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53022&oldid=52996 5* 03Isny 5* (+158) 10/* Introductions */ < 1504497343 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best song of the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE4H5IArtaw < 1504497409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53023&oldid=53010 5* 03Isny 5* (+10) 10 < 1504497457 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53024 5* 03Isny 5* (+56) 10Created page with "Rev is a small, stack based language based on [[Mouse]]." < 1504497556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53025&oldid=53024 5* 03Isny 5* (+148) 10 < 1504497681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53026&oldid=53025 5* 03Isny 5* (+585) 10 < 1504497712 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504497760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53027&oldid=53026 5* 03Isny 5* (+29) 10 < 1504498015 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the last time I tried before that was a few months ago, and yes it did result a kernel panic. < 1504498039 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mostly what each of the resources is used for < 1504498071 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that game? < 1504498096 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: jigoku kisetsukan < 1504498097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What resources are there? < 1504498136 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/app/368950/ < 1504498146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i with no other recourses but my own resources < 1504498149 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean ais523 < 1504498195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: even that wasn't pinned down until fairly recently, and I'm still not 100% on what one of them does in a specific circumstance < 1504498214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a set of rules for a TCG that aims to solve some of the biggest problems with Magic, whilst still being quite flexible < 1504498223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problems can either be balance problems or UI problems) < 1504498266 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris is dead, long live solaris. < 1504498331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of a slightly different resource system for Magic: The Gathering at one point. < 1504498356 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What different resource system? < 1504498361 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's asymmetrical < 1504498384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One property of it was that instead of having red mana, you would have things requiring mana + red as two separate resources. < 1504498409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is already the way some games work. < 1504498437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK. I had some ideas too, such as writing the rules as a literate computer programming, to make the rules more clear, and if anything remains unclear, you can figure it out by putting it into the computer to figure out. < 1504498577 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504498596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MtG resources are pretty complicated. < 1504498608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering has some things unclear and I thought to do by literate computer programming and mathematics to make clearer, although also there is still some klugy rules which are not quite so mathematically elegant; fortunately most of those problems have been fixed. They also got rid of the planeswalker uniqueness rule and retroactively made all planeswalkers legendary; while I think the new way is more logical and mathematically elegant, < 1504498612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. karma that you can only use for casting creature spells, or that has an effect on a creature if you use that karma to cast it. < 1504498689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks zzo38's client needs a wrap long lines feature
< 1504498692 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is "mana" and not "karma" in Magic: the Gathering, although yes those things do exist (but they aren't so common) < 1504498769 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I should perhaps to put in the mode to ring the bell if you try to type too much on one line, but I don't even know what limit < 1504498788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there are other restrictions. < 1504498815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spend this magma only to to cast colorless Eldrazi spells < 1504498833 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, there are many other kinds too. < 1504498886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, Piracy < 1504498889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it's 510 bytes for the whole IRC line < 1504498908 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that includes information that's specific to the recipient, IIRC < 1504498923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to know exactly what limit is safe without knowing all the possible metadata the recipient could see < 1504498930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1504498970 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play it safe and don't write any messages longer than four bytes. < 1504498990 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is what I thought, which make it difficult to know what to set it to. I would make it a user configurable setting of course, but still I should have to know what to set it to! < 1504499024 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can't; the word PRIVMSG itself is seven bytes. < 1504499079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not part of the message. < 1504499106 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O,OK < 1504499118 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504499152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. apparently my splitlong.pl script no longer exists on this server. < 1504499166 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong works badly with freenode anyway < 1504499168 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :been meaning to take it off < 1504499175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symbolic link goes nowhere < 1504499202 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for OKAY < 1504499213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But O,OK works too. < 1504499256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i respond to messages directed at other people < 1504499318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one of the social rules you learn playing werewolf/mafia is not to respond to messages directed at other people < 1504499335 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We aren't playing werewolf/mafia. < 1504499342 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no game rule against it but people will get annoyed at you if you do, because it can kind-of mess up their plans (and it looks like you're covering for the intended recipient) < 1504499381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. splitlong still works, somehow. perhaps it's become an internal irssi feature. < 1504499432 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, is there at all a *safe* line length in IRC? < 1504499509 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought that was an in-person game. < 1504499515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it played on IRC. < 1504499529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mostly play it on web forums, although I've played it on IRC too < 1504499534 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play Contact? < 1504499541 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in pretty much any medium that allows for communication < 1504499544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what Contact is < 1504499548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a word game that can be played in person or over IRC, but I wrote a web application that implements it. < 1504499564 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suppose that I should to add a setting for a bell in case of too long line. For my personal setting, I could assume that it uses a prefix ":zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-999-999.eastlink.ca " at the start (although it isn't actually "999") to figure out what limit to set < 1504499592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One person thinks of a word and reveals some prefix of it, and others try to think of clues for other words that start with that prefix. < 1504499620 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, so there's a prefix part + PRIVMSG + target + message, in the server-to-client side portion. < 1504499622 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they can clue to each other successfully, one letter of the prefix is revealed. < 1504499681 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and "PRIVMSG" and the target and message are already counted, so the only remaining part is the prefix part, and the space that comes between it and "PRIVMSG". < 1504499750 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There does not appear to be a maximum prefix length. < 1504499792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter now, since we can guess at it. < 1504499849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it part of WHOIS reply for yourself? < 1504499857 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A suitably malicious server could intentionally use a ludicrous prefix like ":foo.bar.baz.im.a.little.server.blah.blah.blah.example.com", at least as far as the protocol syntax is concerned. < 1504499860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a limit for the server to client length, then if the client to server length is not a smaller maximum then you will just make the guess. As I said it can (and I think it should in other client too) be a user-configurable setting. < 1504499881 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 512 both directions. < 1504499945 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, and that is how to figure out, but still I should to just make the user setting (replacing "-56-48" with "-999-999" instead, in case those numbers change unexpectedly to three digits, which does seem possible). < 1504499991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 when counting CRLF, no? < 1504499995 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually want to change it to "@zzo38computer.org" instead of "@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca", but it seems that Freenode doesn't support forward-DNS cloaks.) < 1504500013 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504500019 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Correctly. < 1504500026 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: doesn't at least Freenode have a known list of finitely many serversS? < 1504500066 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, in case one of my previous messages today was cut off, then please to notify me that I can repeat the part that you did not receive. < 1504500107 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that the prefix is actually required to be a real connection? < 1504500111 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe it is. < 1504500122 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. There is an entry suggesting it's intended to be. < 1504500135 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it as a hard requirement, but it seems that's the intent. < 1504500143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't it about time someone invented a good build system? < 1504500157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that person be you? < 1504500169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the one i saw ended with "logical and mathematically elegant," < 1504500186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seemed like it might have been cut off < 1504500208 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... while I think the new way is more logical and mathematically elegant, the change itself seems messy to me. < 1504500271 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504500280 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the prefix replaced with the freenode cloak if you have one? < 1504500306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain name is, but not the nickname and username. < 1504500381 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://make.girls.moe < 1504500438 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunh. < 1504500770 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Will you tell me what kind of stuff now is your game? Did you write any rules yet at all, or nothing yet? < 1504500927 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wrote some but I need to change some of it < 1504501168 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my ideas also are, that the cards can be sold in a box with all card of the set, arranged in sections by rarity (for assembling packs), and within each section by alphabetical order, which together with the included list of cards can be used to check in case any are missing. < 1504501219 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also would include the complete printed rules, and a DVD with open-source computer implementation of the rules and complete card database. < 1504501390 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have told me that the rarity is meaningless if they are in the boxes like that, but I disagree, because the rarities can be used to construct a "booster draft" like in Magic: the Gathering, or like sealed in Magic: the Gathering. < 1504501423 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you think some of the biggest problems with Magic: the Gathering is, then? < 1504501489 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that priority exists but is rarely relevant is a big problem < 1504501506 0 :idonob!~Owner@S010600259c3e7d7b.vs.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504501515 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are a lot of priority passes every turn, making communication difficult and making a UI for a computer version hard to make < 1504501544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the rules I'm working on, priority is a more important part of the game (meaning that people keep track of it) and is gained much less often (making it less tedious to deal with) < 1504501573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, if it's not your turn, you can only do the equivalent of playing a spell or activating an ability if it's a response to something an opponent does < 1504501589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this obviously changes the balance of the game but it can be designed around) < 1504501675 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sirlin's "Codex" game has a different kind of solution: You cannot make any choices at all if it isn't your turn. This means that your opponent must declare blockers before you attack, instead of afterward. < 1504501750 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i gain priority until end of turn < 1504501784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: many games do that but it cuts down the tactical depth somewhat < 1504501927 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think you are correct. < 1504502001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you play Cale's favorite game, Prismata? < 1504502014 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1504502023 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I mean even more than in Pokemon card, where sometimes something you do does require opponent to make choices on your turn; in Codex, the rules explicitly prohibit this, in order to allow long delays of several days between turns. < 1504502231 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However in Magic: the Gathering still the computer UI can be done, such as if you assign a key combination for each step/phase of the turn, and then if you push that key it will pass priority until that phase/step if no other player does anything and no new information is revealed. (You can also just pass priority normally.) Can also assign one key to auto-play during a mana step or such. < 1504502239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, correspondence Magic: The Gathering < 1504502245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a good game. < 1504502749 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504502963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :correspondence chess boxing < 1504503163 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you going to fight by correspondence? < 1504503196 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504503211 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504503264 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504503337 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correspondence Sid Meier's Civilization < 1504503492 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's on the honour system. You get a letter in the mail and it has "Bxe5. Left hook." < 1504503537 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504503625 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keith Johnstone talks about games like mimed tug-of-war and slow-motion tag. < 1504503653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people play those games and try to win, which is obviously pretty silly. < 1504503804 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps after I fix the bug in MIXPC with LD1N instruction, I can also to add the overpunch mode. Some characters will no longer be valid MIX characters (or even valid Hollerith characters) when overpunched, so sometimes the result is lossy, especially since the file is using 8-bit characters rather than 12-bit characters. < 1504504013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Overpunch mode is something I have not seen in any other MIX implementation. The other thing I have not seen in other MIX implementations is the support to connect to an actual printer for output (although MIXPC still supports print to file, too).) < 1504504100 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability to split a partially read card deck might be another thing to add, too. < 1504506494 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504506755 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504508528 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504508874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, I wrote up what I have so far: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/d81df1c3c147f5dc.txt < 1504508923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should hopefully be a framework that's general enough to do lots of interesting things but simple enough that it's clear how it works, even if a few of the rules look complex when written down < 1504508930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping it'd be more intuitive in actual play < 1504509033 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1504509054 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will read too < 1504509208 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the General have a different card back than the other cards? < 1504509214 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504509232 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it the same? < 1504509347 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought of that; within these rules it doesn't matter, so making it different might make it easier to find if it gets shuffled into a deck by mistake < 1504509386 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it a different size, too. < 1504509468 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are benefits in either case; it depends whether or not they should be drafted together. In Magic: the Gathering, conspiracies (which are purely optional) are drafted together with the rest of the cards. < 1504509512 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that, if this game is distributed using booster packs, generals would show up in those occasionally < 1504509519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not very often as decks only need one < 1504509524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be a reason to make them the same size < 1504509582 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on whether or not you are going to draft them together, whether or not to make the back the same, although if they do come in the same pack that is a good enough reason to be the same size whether or not the back is the same. < 1504509638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant larger but I suppose you could make it smaller too. < 1504509907 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1504510010 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504510183 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504510864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1504512958 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504512975 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504513241 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504513485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504514641 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504515712 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504515996 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504516990 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504517473 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504518389 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504518481 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504518979 0 :idonob!~Owner@S010600259c3e7d7b.vs.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: host lost < 1504519141 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504519815 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504519910 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504520165 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504520452 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504520663 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504520670 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to read recent backlog of this channel. "I think the last time I tried before that was a few months ago, and yes it did result a kernel panic." and "Spend this magma only to to cast colorless Eldrazi spells" wait, magma?
< 1504520698 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can tell about the irc length limits if you want to know more details < 1504520839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the fact that priority exists but is rarely relevant is a big problem / because there are a lot of priority passes every turn, making communication difficult and making a UI for a computer version hard to make" => yes, but I think you can still make a decent computer interface that allows players to rollback actions by other players and requires explicit confirm for irreversable events like revealing new information that the player doing the ac < 1504520888 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be made to work decently for M:tG, at least within Earthly communication lag. < 1504520930 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" pikhq: doesn't at least Freenode have a known list of finitely many serversS?" => yes, but the list can change dynamically < 1504520973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the list isn't even made automatically public by the IRC infrastructure, so it's not quite clear if the docs on their homepage is complete or if the DNS entry for chat.freenode points to all servers (there may be non-public servers) < 1504520989 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are likely complete most of the time, but you can't tell how up to date < 1504521077 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" A suitably malicious server could intentionally use a ludicrous prefix like ":foo.bar.baz.im.a.little.server.blah.blah.blah.example.com", at least as far as the protocol syntax is concerned." => freenode has a length limit of 63 bytes on the hostname, above that it will display the ip or ipv6 address < 1504521147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one tricky part is that there's an extra byte in the received message for PRIVMSG and NOTICE messages that is only added if the client requests it with an option. It's an obsolate extension, but many clients still use it. < 1504521194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Huh, is there at all a *safe* line length in IRC?" => not globally accross all networks, not really. not with quakenet supporting channel names up to 200 bytes. < 1504521297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on freenode, 356 bytes is the definitely safe limit, but you can go longer if you know some of the target name, your nick and username and hostname (but the server can change your nick asynchly for a nick collision) < 1504521341 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this thing ais523 was talking about? is he designing a new game? < 1504521447 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [your rules] also got rid of the planeswalker uniqueness rule and retroactively made all planeswalkers legendary;" => that sounds like a bad idea to me. aren't there more than one very powerful Jaces, and decks with 16 planeswalkers played competitively even in Standard? < 1504524421 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` \? fizzbuzz # lol < 1504524451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fizzbuzz is the enterprise version of counting, where you replace certain numbers by buzzwords. < 1504524481 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" zzo38: it's a set of rules for a TCG that aims to solve some of the biggest problems with Magic, whilst still being quite flexible" => what was the context for this? what is that set of rules? < 1504524594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" We're in the future. I can charge my Dell laptop and Google phone using a charger made by Apple." => wow. that's some serious future indeed. I'll probably buy a new mobile phone this year or next year, and it will be one I can charge with these USB charger thingies that I'm already using to charge my camera, bluetooth microphone headphone adapter, and electric razor. < 1504524608 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the camera requires the other kind of cable) < 1504524742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your other things all use USB type-C? < 1504524826 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the razor and the headphone adapter uses the same plug as most current mobile phones. I'm not sure if that's "type-C" < 1504524841 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other things aren't charged by USB < 1504525008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, my mobile phone is charged by a round plug DC charger < 1504525024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a USB port, but only for data, not charge < 1504525138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the camera uses the other, slightly less common USB port, which some other cameras use too < 1504525403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the electric toothbrush doesn't use USB either, but that's probably a good thing) < 1504525590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, probably not. < 1504525604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB type C is the future, man. < 1504525623 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504525664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't believe it. people keep saying that the current standard is the future and I should buy into it now because everything and everyone will use only that in the future, but it often lasts only a few years or at most ten years. I'm older than to believe that. < 1504525706 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a great way to sell things, I admit that, and I've been tricked by it several times during my life. < 1504525827 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504525973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I'd like? a calendar that displays both the name of the month and the number of the month together. < 1504525986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most calendars have just one or the other < 1504526002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I actually use both and need to know both < 1504526330 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well english names have numbers in them, but the wrong numbers < 1504526583 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the discordian calendar, only 5 months to rememer < 1504526786 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand St. Tibb's Day, but only in Leapyears ☺ < 1504526844 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ibb/ib/ < 1504527334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Hoolootwo: but I don't want to remember anything. that's the whole point. the calendar is there to remember everything instead of me. < 1504527334 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1504527397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in our calendar, I'm generally only confused about the matching of names and numbers in three months now. < 1504527414 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe four. < 1504527752 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504529327 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP is very busy < 1504529480 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm noticing this too. < 1504529505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though L1 is still pretty empty right now. < 1504529538 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? an empty L1 cache? that's a miracle < 1504529562 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-159-070.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504529591 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you're out < 1504529610 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfp17.sigplan.org/room/icfp-2017-venue-l1 < 1504529672 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least I've seen SPJ from afar :P < 1504529850 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504529934 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case it's filling up now < 1504530106 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it may have been pretty empty but it may have in fact contained me < 1504530175 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But L1 suddenly got very not empty at all < 1504530468 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I somehow have a free seat either side of me < 1504530508 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504530726 0 :moony!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504530727 0 :moony!?@? NICK :Guest53736 < 1504531078 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504532977 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you here all week? < 1504535032 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504535629 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504535735 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504535744 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi again < 1504535826 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504535868 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1504536271 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504536345 0 :^arcade_droid!~arcade_dr@unaffiliated/arcade-droid/x-4286778 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504536368 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Natyre14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53028&oldid=51308 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+47) 10Clarified one sentence. < 1504536379 0 :zarcade_droid!~arcade_dr@telg.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1504536402 0 :zarcade_droid!?@? NICK :Guest28588 < 1504536816 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1504536966 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm leaving on Saturday < 1504536983 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back in L2 :P < 1504537031 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("back" in the sense that FSCD is what I'm registered for) < 1504537929 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP contest full results are now available at https://icfpcontest2017.github.io/ < 1504537944 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too surprising since the prizes are given on the conference < 1504538012 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1504538014 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not full results < 1504538028 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just almost full results, because they hold back the full results until the prize ceremony < 1504540598 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504540614 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1504540636 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does stuff like if (x > z) || (q <= r) assemble on x86? < 1504540710 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if? < 1504540752 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not if < 1504540803 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case there is no single answer. mov rax, x; cmp rax, y; jg l; mov rax, q; cmp rax, r; jle l; jmp g; l: ... g: ... is the most naive way but no good compiler will do that. < 1504540829 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://godbolt.org/g/Atht9E < 1504540832 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs jumps < 1504540834 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1504540887 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's set where is a condition code (like g or le above) and r is a register < 1504540898 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with -O3 it will be setg < 1504540904 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't jump, so doesn't mess up branch prediction. < 1504540934 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on adding equ, lt, lte, instructions < 1504540943 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as equ dst a b < 1504540949 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sets dst to 1 if a == b otherwise 0 < 1504540963 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you don't need two instructions < 1504540998 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was also planning on having a cmp instruction) < 1504541005 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can be used for conditional instructions) < 1504541651 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504541767 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504543812 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9sE2S8Pho < 1504543976 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is Wizards of the Coast who removed the planeswalker uniqueness rule. The new way seems logical and makes sense to me, although the change itself looks messy to me (retroactively changing planeswalkers to legendary). < 1504544036 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you talking about the M14 rule changes? < 1504544055 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that did not retroactively change them to legendary < 1504544190 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean the future change < 1504544299 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504544302 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't seen them < 1504544409 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't the legendary rule changed as well not too long ago? < 1504544608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean this change? https://yawgatog.com/resources/rules-changes/dgm-m14/#D704.5k. < 1504544622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a more recent change? < 1504544990 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504545064 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504545257 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1504545418 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504545979 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504546237 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504546534 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504546862 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to drop the load (l) and store (v) commands of TEWNLSWAC < 1504546877 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: WHAT? < 1504546884 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up. that looks strange. < 1504546893 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504546910 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can emulate them using nested objects. < 1504547110 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see where that happened. was this recent? < 1504547240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unless it's a change so recent it's not in the Comp Rules yet, it doesn't look to me like they changed planeswalkers to legendary. the changed the legend rule and the planeswalker uniqueness rule at some point so they only count within permanents controlled by one player, not across players, but planeswalkers still care about their 'walker type, not their name. < 1504547251 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas legendary permanents care about their name. < 1504547266 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they just announced it < 1504547292 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: can you point to a source? < 1504547296 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: google can < 1504547297 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1504547425 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/ixalan-mechanics < 1504547432 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I hadn't heard that yet < 1504547463 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that going to work in Modern with the 16-planeswalker decks? will we have a 12-Jace deck now? or did those always only work in Standard? < 1504547490 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504547596 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "Legendary Planeswalker - Tezzeret" still comfortably fits the type line with the new ugly font, so it's technically possible. it might even be better for understanding, and they probably know more about whether it turns Jace to too dangerous < 1504547639 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that Jace, the Mind Sculptor is still banned in Modern probably helps < 1504547644 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504547947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53029&oldid=53012 5* 03Zseri 5* (-226) 10removed sdat stack (update with interpreter) < 1504547959 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, done. < 1504548449 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say it is a future rule, not a current one. < 1504548510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that kind of change does seem messy to me, even though I think the new way is sensible. < 1504548700 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are only a few cards that care about non-creatures being legendary, such as one in Amonkhet and a few in Kamigawa. < 1504548727 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those cards get better, some worse. < 1504548741 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know we have planeswalker creatures, but printed and animated after the fact < 1504548757 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, technically none of them are printed as a creature < 1504548771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one or two have a built-in ability to turn them to a creature < 1504549288 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504549547 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550031 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504550316 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550488 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550742 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504550964 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504551202 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504551726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504552085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53030&oldid=53029 5* 03Zseri 5* (+45) 10symbol vs variable < 1504552205 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504552336 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has confirmed the existence of Taneb (though this is really a zero knowledge proof)
< 1504552527 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504552550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53031&oldid=53030 5* 03Zseri 5* (+38) 10/* Binary Commands */ < 1504552757 0 :* Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d: PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversely has the beginnings of an existence proof for int-e < 1504553557 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504553788 0 :^v^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504553855 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504553855 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1504553907 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554007 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 269 seconds < 1504554125 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504554127 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1504554127 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504554174 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554345 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554365 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554393 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest35351 < 1504554410 0 :Guest35351!?@? NICK :shikhin_ < 1504554415 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1504554415 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554430 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1504554485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554722 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504554732 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear gogogle < 1504554735 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*google < 1504554736 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1504554742 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop thinking I'm not human. < 1504554750 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbye < 1504555324 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: don't be a bot, have a cookie! < 1504555471 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bot. < 1504555473 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a failing liver. < 1504555492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a failing liver? < 1504555674 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My transaminases are elevated. < 1504555678 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really know why. < 1504555686 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it usually indicates some damage to the liver. < 1504555798 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it might not be the liver failing < 1504555809 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be something else failing that just happens to also punch the liver in the nuts < 1504555851 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the rule about maximum health being reduced to also reduce current health should be clarified. < 1504556265 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1504556268 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic the Gathering? < 1504556292 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: probably the TCG work-in-progress that I posted here last night < 1504556298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think can be simplify by the manoeuvres not giving name for each action also, and instead to have something like "manoeuvre name: negative resources, source -> destination, positive resources: action" < 1504556299 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse shachaf's been bugging me about it for months < 1504556312 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504556324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like giving things names because it makes it possible for cards to talk about them < 1504556340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one big problem that Magic had was not differentiating between, say, fire and lightning spells mechanically early on < 1504556346 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example "Start: hand -> ready, logistics 5: End the turn." < 1504556349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that they can't draw a mechanical distinction nowadays < 1504556368 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I have mention that a few days ago. they don't have a damage type system. < 1504556388 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :massive in particular is something that things probably want to care about < 1504556395 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was this rules thing you were talking about earlier? < 1504556400 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but the manoeuvres and aspects still themself have names < 1504556414 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"massive"? < 1504556421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that manoeuvre in particular would make it possible to end the turn with a card on the tactics track; the rules handle that state but it's something I'd imagine you'd do rarely if at all < 1504556431 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "massive: end your rurn" < 1504556434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turn < 1504556450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, this game doesn't have summoning sickness < 1504556469 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do mean "end your turn", and doesn't the rules say you can't end any turn if there are any tactics? < 1504556471 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the easiest way to make something that's ready to defend as soon as it's played, but can't attack as soon as it's played, is to end the turn when it becomes ready < 1504556484 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not via the normal methods < 1504556490 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume rules on the cards override the rules of the game < 1504556637 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what game is this again? is it the one you're planning that I don't know much about? < 1504556648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it doesn't even have a name yet < 1504556660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are my notes: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/d81df1c3c147f5dc.txt < 1504556687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a trading card game? if so, then we can just call it Feather: TCG; or Feather: Collectible Card Game. < 1504556760 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was also trying to figure out if I could make something of a toy TCG, but I quickly realized I'm bad at designing entirely new games or writing new stories, I should just stick to analyzing existing games and existing stories. < 1504556763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, can then to write the Haskell program (or some other programming language) to make an implementation on computer, and can be made literate programming so that this is the rule document it explain the rule including by computer program too. < 1504556775 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did come up with a few mechanics, but they don't really work together. < 1504556781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think it has anything to do with Feather < 1504556784 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What did you come up with? < 1504556837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably the most useful idea I had is that when creatures attack you (which normally happens once per turn) you get to evade (escape, run away from) one for free by default. < 1504556871 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case they don't deal combat damage to you, but you can also do this if you also don't want to deal combat damage to them < 1504556929 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there can be a ton of abilities that modify this, both on creatures (fast creatures you can't evade, slow creatures so you can evade any number of slow creatures or up to one non-slow creature) or abilities affecting the player (boots of speed to evade an extra creature per combat) < 1504556954 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pkrixgujyycwmost QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504556968 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ektpncwqwekrwcjc JOIN :#esoteric < 1504557021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name darksteel myr < 1504557030 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darksteel Myr \ 3 \ Artifact Creature -- Myr \ 0/1 \ Indestructible (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this creature. If its toughness is 0 or less, it's still put into its owner's graveyard.) \ SOM-U < 1504557068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: being able to cancel one attack a turn (unless it's hard to stop) is apparently worth 3 mana < 1504557129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in M:tG. I'm not saying this rule in context of M:tG < 1504557134 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good to know < 1504557145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right, I was just thinking "M:tG has done something similar" < 1504557155 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Darksteel Myr doesn't have defender, which makes it better if you increase its power somehow < 1504557210 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name maze of ith < 1504557211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maze of Ith \ Land \ {T}: Untap target attacking creature. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by that creature this turn. \ DK-U, EMA-R, ME4-R, V12-M < 1504557234 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also has a similar effect, although IIRC it's normally considered broken < 1504557253 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as you can see from the set of sets it's printed in!) < 1504557255 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you asked that in advance, the cheapest I'd have known is four mana, for Trap Runner (which works on fliers and even unblockable creatures by the way) or Uncle Istvan (a very old pseudo-indestructible creature) < 1504557511 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504557649 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504557685 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504557770 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. Order of the Stars. that works well enough for this in practice < 1504557800 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name order of the stars < 1504557802 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, wait < 1504557805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Beloved Chaplain < 1504557806 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1504557827 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's straight two mana and is good against any creature it can block < 1504557853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beloved Chaplain \ 1W \ Creature -- Human Cleric \ 1/1 \ Protection from creatures \ OD-U < 1504557853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of the Stars \ W \ Creature -- Human Cleric \ 0/1 \ Defender (This creature can't attack.) \ As Order of the Stars enters the battlefield, choose a color. \ Order of the Stars has protection from the chosen color. \ GPT-U < 1504557855 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about that one. I used Inviolability, which is an aura version. < 1504557875 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make the argument for mother of runes, actually < 1504557879 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, its flavor text is actually “Nomad and Nantuko, eagle and elephant; all the birds and beasts are charmed by his quiet dignity.” < 1504557884 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she can block a creature, then give herself protection from it after the block < 1504557893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's hardly the most broken thing you can do with that card < 1504557900 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quiet dignity in that quote and its art is in nice contrast with Inviolability, which has the opposite flavor < 1504557943 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't recognise those set codes < 1504557945 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not "then give protection". they all already have protection almost all the time. < 1504557957 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504557962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was talking about mother of runes < 1504557967 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name mother of runes < 1504557968 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPT is Guildpact, from Ravnica block < 1504557969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mother of Runes \ W \ Creature -- Human Cleric \ 1/1 \ {T}: Target creature you control gains protection from the color of your choice until end of turn. \ UL-U, CMD-U, EMA-R, DDO-U < 1504557975 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, that does more < 1504557990 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's the expensive one for one mana < 1504557992 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's even better < 1504558002 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't pick up when you mentioned that < 1504558004 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, OD must be Odyssey < 1504558018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother of runes is probably the best creature costing {W} < 1504558036 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's the best, but it might be close to < 1504558054 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of competition for best < 1504558058 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think is better? < 1504558062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depends on the environment < 1504558082 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some environments have longer matches with many creatures, in those the Soul Sisters are probably better < 1504558256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect the best creature costing {W} would be more expensive in money than what Mother of the Runes cost for uncommon < 1504559309 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO more double-faced cards with a land on the back face and a new pair of symbols identifying which face is the front and which is the back. STOP THAT, Wizards. You shouldn't have printed the first one either. < 1504559327 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like double face cards < 1504559350 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what does that do to the sleeve market? < 1504559396 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the icon for the back face is even fucking the same as the land icon on Future Sight timeshifted futuristic border cards. That's even worse. < 1504559457 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not much, I think. < 1504559488 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, technically the icon isn't exactly the same, but it is very similar.) < 1504559515 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it is exactly the same. I can't tell from this low resolution.) < 1504559539 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah wait! This one isn't so bad < 1504559566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Wizards have a perpetual problem trying to identify which side of a DFC is which, in an objective way that can be written into the rules < 1504559566 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a reminder text on the back side that says it's the back side < 1504559566 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess it's OK < 1504559574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's why they have the reminder text < 1504559616 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do the rules say about faking a reminder text? < 1504559623 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah. it doesn't help that they keep messing up the Gatherer, so very often double-faced cards (and flip cards and split cards) show up wrong in Gatherer itself. If even they don't know, how should I know? < 1504559634 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: faking in what sense? < 1504559638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I can't imagine that the reminder text is the actual rules-defined way to tell the sides apart < 1504559662 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's probably not. but that's not a problem here < 1504559664 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: M:tgO sometimes has a bug where it allows half a split card to exist on its own < 1504559689 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my problem is that if you happen to never look at the FRONT of the card, you might not realize the card is double-faced, and think it's a single face land < 1504559712 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd notice when you tried to put it into a deck < 1504559720 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sleeve it < 1504559730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do people sleeve cards without ever looking at the other side? < 1504559780 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, there are sanctioned proxies ("checklist cards")?! < 1504559795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they're not really proxies, they look nothing like the original < 1504559805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably do sometimes sleeve cards that way when making a deck, but I already know more or less what cards I have in my collection and would know if I had a double-sided card (I have zero. I also have no flip cards. I do have a few split cards.) < 1504559810 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their only purpose is to have a normal back so that they can represent the position of a DFC in a deck without giving it away, even if you don't use sleeves < 1504559869 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are proxies in the literal sense; they stand for the card indicated on the checklist. < 1504559877 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, part of the purpose of the reserves in my game is so that if you want to do something DFC-like, you can just fetch the other card from the reserves < 1504559889 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, it's sort of backwards. during a game, the checklist cards are the normal cards you use most of the time, and you can use the double-faced to represent the card in public zones. when buying or submitting a deck or drafting, that's when you need the double-faced card to be allowed to use it, and the checklist cards are penny cards you alw < 1504559889 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ays have or can get access to. < 1504559916 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is full of nerds. < 1504559932 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a combination token supply and sideboard and back-DFC-face and tuner for tunable cards (i.e. I'm envisaging cards that can affect opponent's cards only if you have a copy in your own reserves, so you can choose to hate out specific cards) < 1504559944 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote nerd < 1504559946 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102) Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough \ 482) we need more films aimed at the lucrative irc nerd demographic < 1504559958 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504559968 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504559980 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.221 QUIT :Changing host < 1504559980 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504560074 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, OK I suppose that can work, I like that < 1504560081 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504560159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagrid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53032&oldid=53011 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (+167) 10 < 1504560258 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagrid14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53033&oldid=53032 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (-48) 10 < 1504560308 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1504560312 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C595.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504560944 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: great, now I'm wondering what the implementation limit of the number of users in a channel in ircd-seven is < 1504560965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think there's a strict limit for that. < 1504560976 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how else would an IRC channel be "full"?) < 1504561024 0 :mroman!b2c5e46d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.228.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504561118 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but in practice the biggest legitimate channels in freenode top out below 2000 joined, and those are moderated the most quickly so there won't be much flood on them, so I don't think any individual big channel would cause a problem < 1504561147 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because those less than 2000 nicks will be distributed decently around the more than 10 servers < 1504561609 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: If configured with --enable-small-net, 256; otherwise 32768. < 1504561684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming MEMBER_HEAP_SIZE measures that. It might be something else. But the BAN_HEAP_SIZE sounded reasonable for a banlist size limit. < 1504561749 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. Apparently that's not the limit, that's just the allocation block size. < 1504561795 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could ask #freenode if you want to know for sure. they're usually helpful about these sorts of IRC software questions, as long as it's software used on freenode < 1504561805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean server and services software < 1504561807 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like digging into code more. < 1504561815 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's fine too < 1504561829 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it myself a few times, but usually I just ask #freenode < 1504561837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or TIAS for things where that's possible) < 1504561869 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I can't really test for what inter-server race conditions are possible, especially not ones that require a netsplit at the right time) < 1504562046 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No explicit limit in the same place (conf_channel_table) the ban list is configured, so maybe there isn't a limit. Anyway, it's kind of implicitly limited by the number of clients of the network. < 1504562132 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor can I easily check for what the longest possible hostname is, so I just had to ask that) < 1504562146 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not going to set up reverse DNS entries for that) < 1504562189 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504563332 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504563404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504563810 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504563944 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504564397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. The wiki's started being intermittently slow again, at least according to the graphs. (It was surprisingly snappy for a while after the CaC downtime.) < 1504564498 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/esolangs-response-time.png < 1504564548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what'sitcalled < 1504564559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it's not just the wiki but everything? < 1504564564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so what do you think of my TCG rules so far? < 1504564565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's overall? < 1504564597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read them but it's hard to see how some of the rules would play out without examples. < 1504564603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1504564612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course those are a lot more work. < 1504564615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a general idea in mind but still don't have the details pinned far enough down that I can make examples < 1504564623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be that some of the rules would have to change < 1504564627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like this game is meant to be played both printed and on the computer? < 1504564633 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well sure, it's clearly not final < 1504564637 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1504564679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of design choices that you can only realistically make in software. < 1504564721 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1504564735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good question. what are the edge conditions you're designing for? a collectible/trading card game (as in, players can buy cards and choose which ones to put in their decks, but the game tries to be such that you won't have a linearly more powerful deck by just buying more powerful cards), two players making separate decks from their < 1504564735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collection or draft independently, < 1504564746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the design choices was to have status and current health as the only tracked values needed to explain the gamestate < 1504564770 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the reason that "overhealing" increases combat damage, as that's a common sort of semipermanent change to want to make) < 1504564774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also is it supposed to be playable with just the paper cards and not much other tools, esp. no computer, < 1504564777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about "what'sitcalled", but sure, yes, it's generally slow. Though a lot of the non-"wiki" things are still wiki-related, that's just filtering to actual MediaWiki page loads. < 1504564788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :grafana < 1504564791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, it's meant to be playable with just cards and counters for current health < 1504564796 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's grafana, yes. < 1504564804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also meant to be much simpler than M:tG UI-wise on a computer < 1504564821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Priority is pretty tricky to implement well on a computer, I imagine. < 1504564837 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, priority here passes much less often than M:tG < 1504564847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much entirely "do you want to respond to this?" < 1504564857 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really see why this would be much simpler UI-wise than M:tG, but obviously it depends on the details like what cards you have < 1504564874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only one person having priority at any given time means that there's no arguments over who plays a card "first" < 1504564900 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: think about one player going to combat in M:tG, when the other player has an instant in their hand that they can play < 1504564921 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining how that works even in M:tG in paper is complicated, and in fact there had to be a rules change recently due to people exploiting the nature of the priority passing rules < 1504564935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a computer, you either have to click OK a lot of times or configure "always yield" settings for the various parts of combat < 1504564979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rules change? < 1504565016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC it was a change to exactly what happened if someone said "go to combat" < 1504565034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's because the current UI sucks. you could have a better UI that allowed you to continue specifying your actions assuming the other players use the default until either (a) you deliberately want to wait for other players to confirm they do the default to avoid revealing info or (b) the game would have to reveal you some info that you do < 1504565034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n't already know, eg. drawing a card. < 1504565058 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you play the game that way, which is sort of similar to what happens when you play on paper, then there's much less messing with priority. < 1504565078 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the other player decides to not do just the default actions, then the game rolls back to the point where he first doesn't do the default actions. < 1504565110 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is implementable by computer, and I think it would be easier to use and learn for the players than the current system. < 1504565129 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see a) https://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2017/04/24/policy-changes-for-amonkhet/ (from "Communication" onwards), b) https://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2017/04/27/how-to-think-about-the-new-combat-shortcut/ < 1504565136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it still only works if you have no more lag than earth-mooon sized ones between the players) < 1504565140 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504565145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you might want to see those too < 1504565159 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of them, but let me check them < 1504565163 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really good evidence of quite how complicated M:tG gets in corner cases to stop people pulling priority scams on each other < 1504565276 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504565460 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504565779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that second article I linked seems to think there's a card named "Grizzly Bear" < 1504565819 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: no, it seems to think "Grizzly Bear" is a reasonable shortcut to name a creature < 1504565845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1504565854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it is I think, although it's sort of moot because that card is more an example there than a real card used in tournament < 1504565861 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case "attack with grizzly bears" is ambiguous as it's implied that there are two of them, so are you attacking with one or both? < 1504565877 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess that it'd be obvious if they didn't have vigilance < 1504565882 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use such simple well-known cards as examples in rules questions too, even though I don't actually play Grizzly Bears in my decks (I do have that card in my collection) < 1504565924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I own one as well? but it isn't a very good card < 1504565960 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own Flashcoat Bears which is practically always better, unless you have Petroglyphs < 1504565965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1504565970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called Ashcoat Bears < 1504565975 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Ashcoat Bears < 1504565978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1504565980 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Ashcoat Bear < 1504565981 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashcoat Bear \ 1G \ Creature -- Bear \ 2/2 \ Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.) \ TSP-C < 1504565985 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that then < 1504566013 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't even play that one < 1504566045 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everyone knows about that card, which is why it's great for rules examples < 1504566070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name kalonian tusker < 1504566071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kalonian Tusker \ GG \ Creature -- Beast \ 3/3 \ M14-U < 1504566080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not all that good, but better in a green deck < 1504566157 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy looking through all the 3/3s for 2 < 1504566168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smuggler's copter is probably the best (and indeed, got banned in standard) < 1504566173 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name smuggler's copter < 1504566174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smuggler's Copter \ 2 \ Artifact -- Vehicle \ 3/3 \ Flying \ Whenever Smuggler's Copter attacks or blocks, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card. \ Crew 1 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 1 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.) \ KLD-R < 1504566200 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drawback turned out not to be nearly large enough < 1504566306 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that one is relatively new. If you have the double green mana, back in my days Elvish Warrior or Simic Guildmage were the most decent choices, then later we got Garruk's Companion. < 1504566328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want only one colored mana, there's also Stonewood Invoker and later Woodland Changeling which are slightly better than the bears. < 1504566354 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guildmage cycle is one of the things that started jading me to Magic < 1504566356 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Simic Guildmage and Stonewood Invoker and Woodland Changeling are elves) < 1504566372 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "a 2/2 with no drawbacks for {R/B}{R/B} is bigger than those colours normally get" < 1504566547 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was at that time. these days we at least have 2/2 with no drawbacks for RR < 1504566587 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Black Knight always existed, and was printed in large numbers, but I don't think there were many other choices for a 2/2 for BB with no drawbacks < 1504566630 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before Kamigawa) < 1504566693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504566729 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name ash zealot < 1504566730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash Zealot \ RR \ Creature -- Human Warrior \ 2/2 \ First strike, haste \ Whenever a player casts a spell from a graveyard, Ash Zealot deals 3 damage to that player. \ RTR-R < 1504566731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, not a game rules change. < 1504566740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tournament rules change < 1504566772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that one does have a drawback of course < 1504566776 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, technically speaking ash zealot has a drawback? but it's hardly ever going to come up (especially if you build a deck accordingly < 1504566781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1504566784 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1504566812 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504567098 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ash Zealot is much newer < 1504567112 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from RTR, that's lots of years later than ravnica with the guildmages < 1504567274 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, maybe you're sort of right and something like those rules might avoid some of the priority shenanigans. but of course the cost is that you don't yet have twenty years of history you have to be compatible with, or even twenty years of carefully designed future cards with enough new thing each year to keep players interested. < 1504567303 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, some of the priority problems may have been avoided by designing against them from the start. < 1504567314 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I don't think it's that big of a difference. < 1504567471 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I believe this sort of the priority problem is the #1 reason that online Magic isn't more popular < 1504567686 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it? I thought it was mostly because people don't want to buy both paper cards and online cards, and paper is the obvious choice < 1504567751 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a few years into the future cards would have unique identifiers printed on it (unique per copy) so you can easily load them into your online account, but even that solves only half of the problem. < 1504567755 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: compare Hearthstone to Duels of the Planeswalkers < 1504567838 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: M:tG is old. it started when online wasn't really possible yet. so the first people started in paper, and most people start playing with their friends, and so matching their friends' choice of paper vs online. < 1504567873 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hearthstone started in 2014 and was designed as an online game in first place < 1504567877 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: also the original rules weren't very thought out < 1504567889 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of progress has been made at trying to tame the chaos < 1504567893 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1504567898 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely true < 1504567910 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is the most popular TCG only because it was the first one < 1504567920 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not even sure it's still the most popular < 1504567935 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably is < 1504567936 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is? < 1504567942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently had a lot of growth recently < 1504567948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite doing its best to drive away all the existing players < 1504567968 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from BFZ to Amonkhet, they appear to have had no idea how to balance the game < 1504567982 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had to make emergency changes to their internal processes in an attempt to bring things back under control < 1504567992 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played any of those sets. < 1504568005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has it gotten much worse than before? < 1504568020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the famous incident a while back when they declared (on the banned and restricted announcement day) that they weren't banning a card, then had to emergency ban it a few days later < 1504568060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we've had four Standard bans over the last year or so (Reflector Mage, Smuggler's Copter, (Emrakul, the Promised End), Felidar Guardian) < 1504568074 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic hardly ever bans cards from Standard, when they do it's normally a sign that they really screwed up < 1504568094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a) a pretty small format, making it easier to catch problems in it, b) one of the two main formats they focus on when balancing < 1504568103 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFZ block additionally managed to break Modern < 1504568106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lead to bans there, too < 1504568260 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: anyway, many M:tG interface problems are a consequence of the way rules changed over time < 1504568267 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally you had to float mana before playing spells, which is simple enough < 1504568279 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people persistently started tapping lands /while/ playing the spell, so the rules changed to let you generate mana then too < 1504568292 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we have a situation where floating mana exists but is rarely used, and spells have two sequences for playing them < 1504568305 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have been a lot neater to just not have a mana pool from the start, but it's too late to change now < 1504568333 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1504568376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I can sort of see why that would complicate the interface < 1504568677 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, what? < 1504568695 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's unclear? < 1504568696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I learned the rules of the game in 2013, I thought you always had to use mana from your pool to cast spell. It seemed simple enough. < 1504568704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that hasn't been true for ages < 1504568724 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I learned that you can announce the spell first, and then activate mana abilities to pay for it. < 1504568738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that there are all sorts of complexities there. < 1504568748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now you say that originally it worked the way I thought? < 1504568774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they ever change it? That's such a straightforward way to handle it. < 1504568776 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in early Magic, yes < 1504568781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because people kept doing it wrong < 1504568790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people persistently started tapping lands /while/ playing the spell" -- that's definitely not an excuse. < 1504568804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Magic designers/developers/rules team seem to think that it's better to change the rules to allow for human nature, than to try to fight it < 1504568807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just say that it's a shortcut or whatever you want that has the same effect. No need to make a big rules change for it. < 1504568813 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the mana is in the pool, but during the process of casting a spell or activating the ability, you get a chance to activate mana abilities (with a few rare exceptions) if the spell or ability needs mana payment < 1504568822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504568827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, I know how it works now. < 1504568843 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: another big reason is cards that let people make payments unexpectedly < 1504568850 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name rhystic study < 1504568850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhystic Study \ 2U \ Enchantment \ Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays {1}. \ PR-C < 1504568857 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not thato ne < 1504568863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rhystic cycle generally < 1504568881 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also when they added that rule, it didn't make the rules too complicated, because a few actions demanded mana payment by a player other than the one who plays the ability, those existed ages ago, and they already had to support activating mana abilities to pay mana. < 1504568882 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"opponents can pay {1} or something good happens to you" is way more powerful if the opponent had to keep {1} floating all the time < 1504568891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the current rules, they can just generate the {1} on the spot < 1504568901 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ais was faster < 1504568903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better reason would be that there are various non-mana payments that you make as you announce the spell/ability, and that there's no reason for mana to be different. < 1504569004 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that doesn't sound like a good reason to me. you'd still make the mana payments during announcing the spell or ability, only now you can also activate most mana abilities (which generate most of your mana) at that time < 1504569023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like that one interaction that these rules make possible. < 1504569046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. < 1504569049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name wall of roots < 1504569050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall of Roots \ 1G \ Creature -- Plant Wall \ 0/5 \ Defender \ Put a -0/-1 counter on Wall of Roots: Add {G} to your mana pool. Activate this ability only once each turn. \ MI-C, TSP-S, ARC-C < 1504569095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a spell that costs {G} and as an additional cost requires you to sacrifice a creature, and you have a Wall of Roots with four -0/-1 counters on it, you could use it to pay for the spell. < 1504569111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is arguably a problem for the learnability of Magic < 1504569121 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh no. it generates lots of really ugly interactions, mostly because you can do heavy effects like moving cards between zones for the cost of a mana ability, and that can in turn immediately generate even heavier effects, including players leaving the game. it's totally rare, but shouldn't be possible. < 1504569126 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many such tricks work and many such tricks don't and it can need an intricate knowledge of the rules to work out which is which < 1504569158 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you're reminding me of the tricks you can use in multiplayer games to pick on players via conceding at specific moments < 1504569166 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea that a player can lose immediately, rather than only the next time state-based effects are checked, is a bad idea, complicates multiplayer rules a whole lot < 1504569178 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but it can happen without conceding < 1504569183 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rarely, but it can < 1504569185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some playgroups actually have a house rule that you have to wait until the stack is empty before conceding, in order to prevent that happening < 1504569199 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from indirect effects by a mana ability < 1504569199 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I assume this involves replacement effects? things like paying your last point of life aren't fast enough < 1504569223 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh, I don't quite remember. < 1504569230 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm just stupid here and conceding is the only way < 1504569264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, without players losing, there are rules patching around the problem that activating mana abilities may require you to reveal new information like drawing a card. those information are hidden because of extra rules. < 1504569272 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to preserve rollbackability < 1504569321 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name lich < 1504569322 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lich \ BBBB \ Enchantment \ As Lich enters the battlefield, you lose life equal to your life total. \ You don't lose the game for having 0 or less life. \ If you would gain life, draw that many cards instead. \ Whenever you're dealt damage, sacrifice that many nontoken permanents. If you can't, you lose the game. \ When Lich is put into a graveyard < 1504569329 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a triggered ability < 1504569336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a card like that where it's a replacement ability < 1504569340 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other problem is of course that stupid Wurm.) < 1504569341 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it lets the game loss happen at mana ability speed < 1504569345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name nefarious lich < 1504569346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nefarious Lich \ BBBB \ Enchantment \ If damage would be dealt to you, exile that many cards from your graveyard instead. If you can't, you lose the game. \ If you would gain life, draw that many cards instead. \ When Nefarious Lich leaves the battlefield, you lose the game. \ OD-R < 1504569354 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's a replacement ability < 1504569375 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the original lich too < 1504569382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure offhand that you can deal damage at mana ability speed < 1504569386 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :original lich is triggered < 1504569386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, not the original one < 1504569432 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Adarkar Wastes < 1504569433 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adarkar Wastes \ Land \ {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. \ {T}: Add {W} or {U} to your mana pool. Adarkar Wastes deals 1 damage to you. \ IA-R, 5E-R, 6E-R, 7E-R, 9ED-R, 10E-R < 1504569496 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought that cycle went via a trigger somehow < 1504569501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't, so that works I think < 1504569505 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the more popular title, the shocklands < 1504569544 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Watery Grave < 1504569545 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watery Grave \ Land -- Island Swamp \ ({T}: Add {U} or {B} to your mana pool.) \ As Watery Grave enters the battlefield, you may pay 2 life. If you don't, Watery Grave enters the battlefield tapped. \ RAV-R, GTC-R, EXP-M < 1504569559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I came across the painlands first < 1504569563 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes you pay life, which won't kill you < 1504569569 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but misremembered them as working like city of brass < 1504569587 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would be very awkward wording, so I'm not surprised they don't!) < 1504569591 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name city of brass < 1504569591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :City of Brass \ Land \ Whenever City of Brass becomes tapped, it deals 1 damage to you. \ {T}: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. \ AN-U, CH-R, 5E-R, 6E-R, 7E-R, 8ED-R, MMA-R, ME4-R < 1504569592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, the shocklands are in ravnica, and they're so popular because they have basic land types, and there are search lands searching for lands with basic land types < 1504569609 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know why the shocklands are good < 1504569653 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I started playing when Dissension was already out, which is why I don't notice that those weren't first < 1504569672 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I do have some idea about earlier sets, but often forget < 1504569675 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started playing with 9th edition < 1504569679 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stopped early into lorwyn < 1504569709 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. 9th, ravnica block, coldsnap, time spiral block, 10th, and a bit of lorwyn) < 1504569784 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it was Dissension, not just Guildpact, because the person who introduced me brought Sky Hussar. I have seen people play M:tG before, but I haven't played.) < 1504569816 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissension is an odd place to start, really < 1504569839 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one "problem" with the original ravnica block is that it only really makes sense as a combined entity, rather than being playable set-by-set < 1504569847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although dragon's maze is even worse in that respect < 1504569858 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coldsnap may have been out, but only very recently, so I have only seen cards from it a month or two later when I bought my first cards, which was the Coldsnap black-blue theme deck. < 1504569873 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did have one of the most intriguing names ever, though, people were asking for dragon's maze spoilers during rtr, rather than asking for the next set as usual < 1504569883 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, the black-blue Coldsnap theme deck is a bad one as a beginner product, but obviously I didn't know that. < 1504569891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't hate Coldsnap as much as most people do < 1504569931 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't hate Coldsnap, I'm just saying it was not good as a first set of cards to buy. < 1504569942 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine to buy later. < 1504569970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at this point it doesn't matter. < 1504569972 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people don't like it because it sucked to draft < 1504569987 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people are bad at figuring out what draft environments are good until Wizards has already stopped supporting them < 1504569990 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have so many cards that one theme deck doesn't matter. < 1504570016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably what lead to the balance issues, Wizards deciding that trying to balance the sets carefully was a waste of money because they move onto the next set anyway before it's figured out < 1504570028 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"supporting" as in you can no longer buy boxes cheap, or only that they are no longer played much in tournaments? < 1504570041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both happen around the same time, probably not coincidentally < 1504570074 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I first started playing Magic, I was under the impression that the game had been continuously refined and optimized over time and would always stay much the same < 1504570075 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it lead to the balance issues which time? I don't think that's happened the last time. It may have happened back ten years ago. < 1504570089 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing the name "ninth edition" made me think "ooh, this has had a lot of work put into it" < 1504570109 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out it's actually a game where they randomly change things every few months to keep it fresh, whether the old things worked or not < 1504570109 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... yes, that's a bit misleading because the second edition is exactly the same as the first < 1504570149 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta and unlimited? < 1504570164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts ABUR4 so I assume alpha and beta are collectively the first edition < 1504570168 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, core sets from ninth to M12 did have a lot of good work put into refining it, perhaps more so then the block expansions < 1504570173 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504570181 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, AB are collectively the first edition < 1504570200 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's silly but they won't change the numbers now < 1504570207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well tenth was definitely an attempt to mix things up < 1504570209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the numbers are printed on the core sets from fifth to tenth < 1504570211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name lightning bolt < 1504570212 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning Bolt \ R \ Instant \ Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to target creature or player. \ A-C, B-C, U-C, RV-C, 4E-C, M10-C, M11-C, MM2-U, MED-C, PD2-C < 1504570227 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it was in M10 /and/ M11? I can't be reading that correctly < 1504570234 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope that's right < 1504570238 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tenth was garbage though < 1504570240 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1504570242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and it wasn't tenth < 1504570251 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :M10 was when they shook things up < 1504570261 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem with numerical core sets is that it's hard to remember which ones are which < 1504570264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like tenth, but mostly because of nostalgy. M10 might actually be a better set, even with all the new cards. < 1504570275 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tenth was the core set before M10 < 1504570285 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I know it went tenth, M10 < 1504570346 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504570392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't like about the current direction magic is heading to is that they keep making changes that amount to printing more and more distinct cards per year. this started at approximately coldsnap or tenth edition. they always give very nice sugar-coated explanations of why the particular change is good, but the gross number of new cards per ye < 1504570392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar always keeps going up, almost never down. < 1504570421 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the explanations are even kind of mutually contradictory. < 1504570485 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that time many years ago when they first raised bus prices to encourage people to travel by train which is cheaper to run, then later they raised train prizes to harmonize mass transport prizes and not disadvantage people who live in places with no train. < 1504570550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was before the time when they raised the prices of trains that stop at fewer stations, but basically every train stops at fewer stations, so you don't have a real choice. that one was much more obvious because they did it in a single step.) < 1504570563 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back in Birmingham, the bus and train companies went through a phase of repeatedly undercutting each other by 10p < 1504570566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it couldn't last < 1504570602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is between cities, not within Budapest, in case that's not clear < 1504570643 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercity train travel in the UK is very expensive except when it's randomly much cheaper < 1504570661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coach travel can be very reasonable but it's slower < 1504570696 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504570756 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always expensive in Sweden, but there are surprising price differences between different types of trains and buses on the same line, depending on at least whether you forfeit your right to refund your ticket, and whether the price for reservations increases dynamically by time like with international airplane tickets. both of those categories < 1504570756 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't exist here. < 1504570788 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a difference between trains where you need a seat reservation versus no, which is a distinction that exists in Hungary but very often you only have one of those choices < 1504570791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most train lines in the UK have four price categories: anytime, off-peak, super off-peak, advance < 1504570813 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a reservation is orthogonal to this (although it'd be unusual to get an advance ticket without a reservation) < 1504570815 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is partly because south-Sweden is big and has multiple big cities and big airplanes, so there's a lot more train and bus travel than in Hungary < 1504570844 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, many train companies, when selling advance tickets, just give you a ticket saying you're guaranteed a seat but don't allocate any specific seat, to save the trouble of putting the "reserved" signs onto the seats < 1504570896 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, even though you get a seat number, in practice seat reservations work that way on trains in Hungary too (and often in cinemas) < 1504570908 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504570942 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, most passengers and the controllers don't care about the seat numbers unless there's a dispute between passengers < 1504571025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unlike airplane tickets or theatre tickets, where people only swap places locally among nearby ones in the same row or when the airplane stewards ask, in theatres because they're more full (a movie is cheap to repeat multiple times for the cinema) and in airplanes partly because of security reasons the airlines insist < 1504571111 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for some reason many people seem to seem to consider different seats in an airplane to have different values, so much that some airlines even sell the right to choose your seat at an extra price and a varying price depending on the position, < 1504571145 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :seats with extra legroom fetch a premium usually < 1504571150 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas on the trains where you can get a seat reservation, usually all seats are equivalent (this is sometimes not true for some trains with no reservation, because those are lower comfort) < 1504571209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: yeah, but then I don't want extra legroom seat on airplanes because those are usually at the front row so you can't keep your luggage at your feet < 1504571231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extra legroom is probably worth more on longer flights though, on which I rarely fly < 1504571270 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on long bus trips, I'll certainly take the extra legroom any time, but that usually just manifests in the difference between a 40 seat bus versus a 50 or 63 seat bus, which you can't really change < 1504571374 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, most long-distance trains have two tiers of seats < 1504571404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :known as first class and third class for silly historical reasons, although the "third class" name typically isn't used nowadays (they have "first class" and "standard class" or "first class" and "not first class") < 1504571429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the vast majority of people don't buy first class seats, as they often aren't much better, and when they are, they're often very expensive < 1504571432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a topic for #trains, y'all < 1504571442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's leading to something of a problem because of trains getting fully packed < 1504571450 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the exit row in particular is what I was thinking of < 1504571457 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they have to open up the first class section, without first class advantages, to normal tickets < 1504571480 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: that has the same problem. no luggage at your feet because it obstructs the emergency exit. < 1504571498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, of course, but they don't sell that except for very expensively < 1504571502 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's usually been allowed when I've been on flights < 1504571506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it depends on the route < 1504571538 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the flights I've been on are cheap ones that don't even have first class seats (they do have middle class seats) < 1504571543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, some do) < 1504571628 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I picked a random off-peak train journey from Birmingham to London to compare, far enough in the future that Advance tickets are still cheap (also on a Saturday so that I don't run into peak time restrictions) < 1504571649 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the class distinction on trains is totally meaningless too these days by the way. most trains only have second class, because people just don't buy first class tickets, so the company just uses originally first class carriages as second class. and the distinction between different trains is much bigger than the class distinction. < 1504571706 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the distinction entirely a few years into the future, it's just that MÁV is a huge company with lots of bureaucracy plus is regulated heavily by the state because it's mostly a monopoly which means even more bureaucracy, so changes take a lot of time. < 1504571707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs £17 (London Midland) / £27 (Virgin) first class, or £6-£8 (London Midland) / £11-16 (Virgin) third class < 1504571717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on Advance tickets, which get more expensive the more of them have been bought < 1504571731 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I'm saying this for trains in Hungary < 1504571738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check Chiltern < 1504571739 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can totally matter in other countries < 1504571743 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm just interested to compare < 1504571752 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are those on the same train? < 1504571787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: same set of trains; Virgin and London Midland use similar routes, but London Midland's is less direct and therefore cheaper because it takes longer < 1504571790 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different classes of trains are very real, although sometimes you have limited choices, but sometimes you do have a real choice, and the price difference may be zero or it may be bigger than the difference between first and second class. < 1504571817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chiltern is charging £5.50 to £12 on trains during the same set of days < 1504571827 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a notably different route but it's comparable to the other two < 1504571832 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make your own implementation of Magic: the Gathering in computer if you have a better idea. < 1504571852 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, they all go from Birmingham to London, and normally you wouldn't vary the route based on where in London you ended up < 1504571862 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you'd probably have to make a journey within London anyway < 1504571871 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there ever three distinct classes of carriages on the same train? "third class" in Hungary is something from before I was born < 1504571878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Chiltern doesn't even seem to have a first class < 1504571890 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, basically what happened was that the government decided that trains were too expensive < 1504571900 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so asked trains to introduce third class tickets (that were cheaper than the existing second class) < 1504571907 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expensive to run or expensive to travel on? < 1504571912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't long before second class had vanished altogether because first and third were just more sensible option < 1504571916 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*options < 1504571917 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504571919 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expesnive to travel on < 1504571921 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's first and third class < 1504571940 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1504571981 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504572005 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that £5.50 to London on Chiltern is crazy, though < 1504572025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it's in the middle of the day on a Saturday, in the heart of super off peak time, and it's booked like a month in advance < 1504572056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hadn't realised that prices that low were actually achievable except on adverts showing the lowest possible price because that's what adverts do < 1504572093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : known as first class and third class for silly historical reasons <-- the first class gives you a better chance if the train hits an iceberg hth < 1504572116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on many services, first class is at one end of the train, often the front < 1504572124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might give you lower chances in the case of a train hitting something < 1504572138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although london midland put first class in the middle of a middle carriage, normally < 1504573049 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at least on quite a lot of companies, it's now just first class and "standard class". < 1504573071 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now as for your game design draft, you don't allow payments of moving a card other than the one that has the mano written on it, right? < 1504573092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: wasn't planning to, at least to start with < 1504573121 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be possible to find a nondisruptive way eventually, probably as long as the other card moved doesn't touch the tactics track; you'd probably have to ban the card from being manoeuvred itself < 1504573124 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so moving other cards can only be an action, and there are no restrictions on how much they can move a card at the same priority, and you just ignore impossible actions, right? < 1504573133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right < 1504573166 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mention it, but the intention is that any action that can't be fully carried out is entirely ignored (also, health can go negative), but with multiple actions, it's possible for one to fail and others to succeed < 1504573167 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beyond their current health" is probalby a minor typo < 1504573174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, probably < 1504573204 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgin is one of those companies. ("Our WiFi is complimentary in First Class, and pay as you go in Standard Class, --") < 1504573228 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's missing to me from this document is listing manos that are common among a large class of cards (like all creatures, all lands, all spells, whatever) < 1504573255 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't quite understand how playing cards from your hand usually works. < 1504573321 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like they can't just go to the tactic from your hand, because then you couldn't distinguish between the card used from your hand or from the ready; but if they go directly to the busy or ready or attached, then how do you counterspell them? < 1504573328 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ Trains in Great Britain provide a two-tier class structure, with the higher tier called "first class". The lower tier was re-branded from "third class" to "second class" by British Rail from 3 June 1956, and then to "standard class" from 11 May 1987. ]] < 1504573355 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so that's what happened < 1504573363 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you could have cards that are directly spent from your hand or something < 1504573372 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cards have to get to the bf somehow < 1504573391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, the way it works is that most cards go from hand to tactic 1, but from play to attack / defend / tactic 2 < 1504573402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's the plan < 1504573412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1504573422 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can go directly to tactic 1 even if attack is empty? < 1504573430 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases, the effect on being initially played is the same as the effect you get from an ability, so you could just "replay" it as a discount < 1504573446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the same physical slot on the board is used for tactic 1 (when there's no attack) and for defending (when there is an attack) < 1504573458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly so that 2 continues to have the same meaning, of a slot where you respond to your opponent's action < 1504573565 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, you even mention this as ""Deploy" is a very common manoeuvre name; it always includes "hand → tactics 1" and no positive resource usage, but the negative resource usages vary." < 1504573716 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "This might be able to do with an overspill" sounds odd to me, but maybe it's an Englishism < 1504573975 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "overspill" isn't actually a noun, I'm just using it as one < 1504573986 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with a consequence for overspilling" would be more correct < 1504574116 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can an enchantment add manos to the card it's attached to? Or is that forbidden? < 1504574327 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ugly phrasing is because in M:tG, when you attach a Holy Strength enchantment to a Devoted Hero creature, then the Holy Strength is the "attached permanent" but the Devoted Hero is the "enchanted permanent" even though to attach something and to enchant something is sort of the same; and "equip" works the same as "enchant". the terminology is < 1504574327 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing.) < 1504574354 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily most of the time in M:tG it's obvious what the words mean because the abilities make sense only for the aura or only for the creature.) < 1504574482 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: grafting manoeuvres onto cards seems like a reasonable use of an aspect < 1504574512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1504574514 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, writing that document made me much better at spelling "manoeuvre", it's not an easy word to spell) < 1504574533 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... although you could just choose a different word instead in that case < 1504574534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it's spelled "manoeuver" in US English? not sure on that < 1504574575 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's late so goodbye, channel < 1504574609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18fe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.254 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504574611 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1504575170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ais523 < 1504575172 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ais523 is Tue Sep 5 01:32:51 2017 < 1504575177 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on and off at the computer. < 1504575667 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504575739 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504576869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( just spell it "manøver" hth ) < 1504577047 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely ø̈ would be a better vowel there? < 1504577403 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504577509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we don't use that in norwegian hth < 1504578978 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504579435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the rule of your kind of game, to become more clear, to write the open-source computer program of it, possibly by the literate programming so that they same document can also be all of the same text, as well as the computer program codes. < 1504579515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What I want, instead, is for card text to be written in a declarative programming language such that you can generate both behavior and readable English text from it. < 1504579527 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care which word you use, but you should use words that you can write with ASCII and be understandable all of the card, even if you may use some non-ASCII characters in their document they should not be require < 1504579555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think requiring ø is OK. < 1504579576 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is another idea yes, and I have thought about that too. Although, I was talking about the rules rather than the cards. < 1504579618 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd prefer for most of the rules to be implemented in the same programming language as the cards. < 1504579621 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But about requiring a slashed "o", well, I think that is not even the correct spelling anyways, so it does not make sense. And even if it is used in the word, it doesn't cause problem with ASCII-only communications anyways. < 1504579647 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only a small core language needs to be part of the definition of the game itself. < 1504579657 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't care whether the core language is specified in English. < 1504579682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ASCII-only communication is outdated < 1504579686 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least in the case of Magic: the Gathering that does make sense, but for ais523's game it seem difference < 1504579688 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has gone the way of Gopherr. < 1504579709 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wasn't talking about either of those games, but a hypothetical game I haven't described. < 1504579717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like the idea of storing cards as AST and converting it to English and code < 1504579718 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, then it works fine. < 1504579734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the English should convert back to the AST too, otherwise people wouldn't know what a card did by looking at it < 1504579754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ideally the language describing card behavior would be simple enough that people could also read it directly. < 1504579757 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KAFF < 1504579757 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAFF 050058Z AUTO 33015G23KT 8SM CLR 24/03 A3029 RMK AO2 PK WND 34026/22 SLP178 T02390030 $ < 1504579771 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be good if there was a canonical translation back and forth to English. < 1504579772 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually that idea I have thought of even for use with Magic: the Gathering too (but not the second part about back conversion, which would make the text a bit messy I think) < 1504579774 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8? I dispute that claim; that is too high. < 1504579775 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504579780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1504579780 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 050053Z 34006KT 9SM BKN140 BKN200 26/19 A2984 RMK AO2 SLP105 T02560189 < 1504579786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perhaps it should be a subset of English? < 1504579794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, just like Magic: The Gathering < 1504579794 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The air would be nicer if it was breathable. < 1504579797 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is sort-of like a "programming language that's a subset of English" already < 1504579801 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that well specified < 1504579807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's annoying that Hearthstone card text doesn't describe behavior completely at all. < 1504579819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact people have to reverse-engineer card behavior sometimes. < 1504579820 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearthstone is trying to deal with screen size problems < 1504579830 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the reason why aspects, manoeuvres, actions all have names < 1504579836 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that on a small screen, you can display just the name < 1504579854 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people know what the names do most of the time, or if they don't, there'd be some way to look up the corresponding action < 1504579855 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 8 mile visibility is from smoke. < 1504579864 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: MtG card language is fairly well-specified, but it can also say whatever it wants. < 1504579890 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, mostly it is well specified enough. Not quite, though. < 1504579910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'd argue that it's very poorly specified, although rigid < 1504579910 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504579920 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't even a grammar, unless you count Alex Churchill's < 1504579921 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, "almost" isn't good enough. < 1504579923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unofficial < 1504579934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like using keywords and short descriptive words in card names. < 1504579949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I kind of wish those were part of a "standard library", separate from the core game rules. < 1504579953 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think one of my favourite innovations is cards referring to themselves in first person < 1504579960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I liked that. < 1504580005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering has text editing effects, which implies a AST anyways, even if nobody has ever written it down. < 1504580041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gain hug until end of turn < 1504580041 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I like that too, although it isn't only you who did that; someone else too has described a game they were making, with the same thing, to me. < 1504580208 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ideas for AST for Magic: the Gathering is one example can be: [:counter [:target :spell]] or [:counter [:target [:and [:not :black], :spell]]] and it can use precise rules (written in open-source computer code) to describe the exact conversion and meaning. < 1504580297 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Counter" in Magic: the Gathering has another meaning too, which refers to a one-shot property, although in this AST the two kind of "counter" are two different words.) < 1504580322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think RoboRosewater uses "unspell" internally? < 1504580432 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe, and yes that will work too. (Or maybe it uses "uncast"; I don't know, but that works too) < 1504580437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like the chain rule? < 1504580478 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504580542 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: text editing doesn't require an AST < 1504580551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just requires S < 1504580575 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1504580587 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that it refers to types < 1504580589 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it does < 1504580595 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1504580614 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What chain rule and what about chain rule? < 1504580626 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The derivative one. < 1504580695 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, OK < 1504580757 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chain rule makes intuitive sense if you see derivatives as limits of deltas < 1504580758 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chain rule makes a lot more sense when you add types. < 1504580763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only thing that type-checks. < 1504580773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do you mean? < 1504580783 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's two ways to write it < 1504580793 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dy/dx = dy/du × du/dx is the one I'm thinking of < 1504580818 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other version is less symmetrical, shorter, and comes to the same thing < 1504580821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best way to write it, though I haven't figured out quite what it means. < 1504580846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: basically, y is a function of x, but can also be written as a function of u, where u is a function of x < 1504580852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that much. < 1504580867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can differentiate y with respect to u, because y is a function of u < 1504580869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Leibniz notation a lot. But I don't really know how to formalize it. < 1504580878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can differentiate u with respect to x, obviously < 1504580916 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, do people often write things like "d(x^3)/d(x^2)"? < 1504580917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a silly example, let's say y=u², u=sin x; then we have dy/du=2u, du/dx = cos x < 1504580938 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we just multiply them together and get 2u cos x = 2(sin x) cos x < 1504580948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is dy/dx in this case < 1504580951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that. < 1504580980 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notation only works if you have one specific independent variable identified (in this case, x) < 1504581004 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(x³)/d(x²) is meaningful if you treat x as the variable in question (it's d(x³)/dx ÷ d(x²)/dx) < 1504581035 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it works in some other cases as well. < 1504581048 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way to think about dy (where y isn't your independent variable) is that it means "the value of y when x has a slightly higher value, minus the value of y right now" < 1504581064 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where the "slightly higher value" would be x+dx) < 1504581097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case where the derivative isn't continuous, "slightly higher" and "slightly lower" may give different results, but that's a case that's typically ignored at lower levels of maths < 1504581123 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is that you take limits, so you take the limit of the derivative as dx shrinks to 0 < 1504581142 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the thing people do -- I think we've talked about this before -- where they have "x^2 + y^2 = 1", and then "2 x dx + 2 y dy = 0", and then "dy/dx = -x/y"? < 1504581149 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clearly, you have dy/du×du/dx=dy/dx while dx is positive, so you wouldn't expect it to change in the limit < 1504581170 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, there are a bunch of rules for whether that's safe to do, and I'm not sure I've ever seen them written down < 1504581172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that you can parameterize x and y in terms of some other variable, but it doesn't matter which one you use. < 1504581190 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, I'd probably define x = cos t and y = sin t < 1504581231 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that the exact parameterization can matter, especially when multiple x correspond to a single y < 1504581234 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa < 1504581259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it? < 1504581262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an example where it matters? < 1504581288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was thinking of the chain rule in multidimensional cases, since the single-dimensional version loses some important content. < 1504581302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, think of x²+y²=1 as a curve (in this case, a circle); in order to calculate things like dy/dx, you have to imagine a point moving along that circle, and dy/dx becomes the ratio of its y velocity to its x velocity < 1504581303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dy/du * du/dx is really composition of linear maps, or multiplication of matrices; it's not commutative) < 1504581322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, it doesn't matter how fast it's moving (as long as it has nonzero speed) in the case of the circle < 1504581331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can imagine a more complex curve, say one that crosses itself < 1504581349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed of the point is going to depend on which path it takes < 1504581363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're parameterizing everything in terms of time to make it work. < 1504581369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really degenerate example where the theory breaks down is 0xy=0 < 1504581377 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find the derivative at any point to be anything there < 1504581411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, dividing by 0 is normally cheating, but you need a rigid set of rules to make sure you aren't doing it in any given case < 1504581433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing you can say is, the curve is defined by the zero set of f(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 - 1 < 1504581443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1504581460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this sort of derivative shenanigans only works at points on the curve which have a unique tangent < 1504581461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the derivative is defined by the zero set of Df(x,y)(dx,dy) = 2x dx + 2y dy < 1504581473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather the derivative at each point < 1504581479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, you do have to uniquely define the point (which may involve specifying both x /and/ y, or using a third variable to parameterize) < 1504581496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite happy using both x and y < 1504581526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, even for the half-circle sqrt(1-x^2), "-y/x" is much nicer than "-sqrt(1-x^2)/x" < 1504581545 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it works for a circle of any radius. < 1504581577 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1504581593 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is easy what it mean, if you multiply dy/du by du/dx then the du are cancel out, it look like. < 1504581604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think what typically goes wrong with this approach isn't necessarily in the dx/dy manipulation itself, but in trying to write x or y in terms of each other when it isn't unique < 1504581612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It look like, but is it actually? < 1504581643 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, the dx and dy symbols don't necessarily obey all the normal rules of mathematics, so you often have to prove any specific thing you can do with them separately < 1504581648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case they do follow normal rules < 1504581720 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd like them to be something other than symbols. < 1504581728 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example sometimes people define them to be differential forms. < 1504581733 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar kcos < 1504581734 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KCOS 050154Z 31008KT 4SM HZ OVC050 24/06 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP172 T02440056 < 1504581737 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1504581743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't really work that well with the typical uses of Leibniz notation, I think. < 1504581754 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have read that the notations like d^2x and dx^2 don't follow the rules in the common way, but that it is possible to use the notation to mean something else to make it work, but then the second derivative is written in a more complicated way (although it is still d(dy/dx)/dx) < 1504581976 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have made the figuring out of d(dy/dx)/dx by myself and confirmed what Penrose mentioned.) < 1504581978 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I worked it out in this channel once. < 1504582017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(dy/dx)/dx = d^2y/dx^2 + dy/dx d^2x/dx^2 < 1504582075 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked it out on paper once but forget now what it is < 1504582095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I said is what you get if you parameterize x and y in terms of t < 1504582114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then treat "d(...)" as meaning "the derivative of ... with respect to t" < 1504582317 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504582741 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504584256 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504584291 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1504584293 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1504584293 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1504584322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: helrod < 1504584878 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hello < 1504584885 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server just shat itself and I don't know why < 1504584910 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :load average went through the roof, but it wasn't a DDoS or anything (no spike in net traffic, nothing useful in logs) :/ < 1504584981 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: it's likely either a scheduled maintenance task that rarely runs, or a trojan/virus < 1504584998 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want something like top in order to see what's responsible for a high load average, not logs < 1504585012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be a legitimate program that got stuck in an infinite loop for some reason < 1504585113 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a Linux box, so I'd assume not trojan/virus. And I run the box... I haven't installed any new cronjobs recently or anything. < 1504585139 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: the most common malware on Linux is from people brute-forcing your password, then installing it manually when they learn what it is < 1504585140 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah it's likely a loop of some sort...but I was hoping something would have spit out something useful to a logfile < 1504585159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux boxes are much more valuable targets to hackers than Windows boxed because Linux is a much more powerful OS < 1504585166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there disk I/O? High memory usage? < 1504585168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's a loop, the program responsible will show at the top of top < 1504585169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Huh? < 1504585170 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 100% CPU usage < 1504585184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Linux more powerful? < 1504585201 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I only root login with key auth. So if it were a password attempt, they'd also need to know my username, and the (non-standard) port I run sshd on. < 1504585207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you can run as root on Linux, it's fairly easy to do things like make a highly scalable spam cannon < 1504585209 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it would be a *very* targeted attack < 1504585220 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :only allow root login with key auth* < 1504585220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's harder on Windows, which is further from the metal < 1504585227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean? < 1504585238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need metal to make a cannon? < 1504585290 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there was a spike in mem usage, but it didn't peak. https://elrod.me/collectd/bin/index.cgi?plugin=memory×pan=86400&action=show_selection&ok_button=OK < 1504585305 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is better for writing servers than home editions of Windows < 1504585325 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:19:28 < ais523> but if it's a loop, the program responsible will show at the top of top < 1504585328 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I could've ssh'd into it, yes < 1504585331 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to force a reboot < 1504585334 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have arbitrary restrictions that make them very bad at serving as servers < 1504585340 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get into the box at all, on console or ssh < 1504585345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about home editions of Windows. But I assume relrod's server isn't running that anyway. < 1504585383 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has system calls like sendfile(2) which are designed for highly efficient network operations, whereas IIRC Windows can't do more than 4 network connections at once unless you pay Microsoft money to increase the limit < 1504585427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: kernel panic, perhaps? that would normally show in the logs, but sometimes it's something bad enough that the logs can't be saved to disk < 1504585434 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: you should give up and set up prometheus like fizzie did hth < 1504585440 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that can't be the case if the graphs were collected by a usermode process on the machine < 1504585450 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it was responding to pings (so net stack was still up), but that was about it. < 1504585459 0 :FjordPrefect!~soorya@220.158.140.122 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9 < 1504585496 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm thinking some process just went crazy < 1504585534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't make it impossible to ssh in, and definitely shouldn't make it impossible to get in via the serial console < 1504585578 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53034&oldid=53023 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+15) 10/* C */ Added Charcoal < 1504585609 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is someone finally documenting Charcoal? < 1504585621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out bits by reading the source, but it's still a really hard language to learn < 1504585638 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53035&oldid=50903 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+151) 10Added note about Charcoal contributions < 1504585658 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people actually have Windows 10 S though? < 1504585670 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 S is the one with that limit, and it *also* has the limit you can only run Store apps. < 1504585682 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, I thought it applied to regular Windows * Home too < 1504585690 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that got removed at some point < 1504585746 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, if a process was hammering both cores, everything else would get queued up, waiting for CPU time, right? < 1504585776 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would explain SSH hanging, and the console not being able to throw me a login prompt < 1504585862 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might have been also in some of the "developing nations only" editions too. < 1504585900 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home omits some features, like Hyper-V, but doesn't have arbitrary limitations on the features it does have like that. < 1504585905 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends though. I've had work servers that nagios-alerted with ~400 load average before that still let me ssh in and kill the process that went to shit. *shrug* < 1504585929 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: schedulers don't work like that, if a process is really hammering the CPUs, the kernel will make sure that other processes can get timeslices < 1504585943 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if a process is really hammering the /disk/, that can give Linux trouble, for reasons I don't fully understand < 1504586029 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I looked it up, there's a limit of 10 or 20 (depending on edition) devices that can be connected to a single Windows machine, but that wording is vague and probably doesn't apply to all TCP connections < 1504586079 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh... < 1504586086 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the limit on the *SMB server*. < 1504586110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, looking around various discussions on this < 1504586124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, humorously, is trivial to work around now. < 1504586132 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Samba in WSL. < 1504586140 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gathered that a) that limit is related to SMB; b) inbound connections that don't use SMB or IIS are sometimes banned by license agreements but there's no technological block on them < 1504586175 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, that's brilliant < 1504586201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53036&oldid=53035 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+66) 10 < 1504586209 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is provided on all versions of Windows that will run 64-bit Windows binaries. < 1504586225 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of up-to-date Windows 10, I should say) < 1504586372 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504586456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your polyglot challenge is up to 127 now < 1504586483 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, has it slowed down a bit then? < 1504586497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I just failed to track the typical rate of growth mentally? < 1504586519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any interesting new languages, or is it all just BF derivatives? < 1504586536 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to come in bursts, with several people posting shortly after each other, i assume they coordinate. < 1504586606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest are: deltaplex, nhonhehr, gammaplex, C(clang), mycelium, monkeys, braincopter < 1504586622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nhohnhehr < 1504586667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet wasn't too long ago < 1504586692 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504586802 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brian and Chuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53037 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+27) 10Redirected page to [[Brian & Chuck]] < 1504586837 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before that, they had a bunch of emoji languages < 1504586873 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how eso kOS is. Maybe it merits an wiki page? < 1504586892 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the latest additions now < 1504587452 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504587647 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504587720 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504587952 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504588640 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504589702 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504592200 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504592288 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Client Quit < 1504593610 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the book of Pitman shorthand (from 1971). But, can we to make up a new system of shorthand can be theatre shorthand? < 1504593783 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intention of my idea of the theatre shorthand will be (among other things): [1] To write without having to look at the paper so much. [2] In addition to words, can also be record music. < 1504594371 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1504594820 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504595010 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504596570 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53038&oldid=53036 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+137) 10 < 1504596612 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53039&oldid=53038 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+0) 10Alphabetized < 1504597577 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504597627 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504597878 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504597954 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1504598083 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504598094 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504598229 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1504598344 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1504598351 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504598568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504599618 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504599803 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504600079 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504600079 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504600454 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504600701 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504600871 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504601115 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504602324 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504602353 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504603421 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504605585 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504606306 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504606716 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504607133 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504607300 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ais523: It's annoying that Hearthstone card text doesn't describe behavior completely at all." => um sure. M:tG text doesn't either. that's why we have a separate Comprehensive Rules and Oracle Text document, each hundreds of pages long. < 1504607323 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules are so big you can't reasonably fit them on the front of the cards. < 1504607448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For almost all cards, the card text and general rules understanding describes the behavior precisely. < 1504607458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some special cases where you need extra rulings, those are mostly to disambiguate. < 1504607487 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" actually I think one of my favourite innovations is cards referring to themselves in first person" => why is that useful? couldn't it cause confusion because players also refer to themselves in first person when they describe an action. I'm not saying you should use full card names (or the part before comma) all the time, but M:tG also uses "this " in indirect rules text and "this" in reminder text. < 1504607554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hearthstone there are cards with effects like "summon a random creature token of type X", where you don't even know what tokens of type X there are and what abilities they have without trying it out. < 1504607562 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, I don't know the details. < 1504607588 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Magic: the Gathering has text editing effects, which implies a AST anyways, even if nobody has ever written it down." => no, I totally disagree with that. The text editing effects are very limited, they only care about mentions of mana symbols and color words and subtypes (land and creature) in the card text, which just requires a few simple parameters of those types rather than a full AST. < 1504607876 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in particular, I'm not really convinced that it would be worth to specify M:tG in some abstract domain specific language tailored to M:tG. It could work, but I think it might be better to use a good generic programming language for implementing the rules, and not have it automatically linked to the English version of the rules. < 1504607910 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The English Comp Rules and Oracle versus the computer-readable code version could be maintained together, or separately one following the other as they are now.) < 1504608075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas_: I'd rather design a new game meant for this sort of system than use MTG < 1504608121 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the chain rule [in calculus] makes intuitive sense if you see derivatives as limits of deltas" => it's easy to confuse yourself to think that the chain rule makes intuitive sense, but it's much harder to actually get an intuition that helps you figure out answers to more complicated applications, such as those involving multiple derivatives or more some crazier integral-fubini transforms < 1504608133 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: same to you < 1504608171 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's like five different ways how people say the chain rule makes intuitive sense, and I've no idea how to connect those different intuitions. < 1504608215 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, for simple problems, any of the intuitions work. < 1504608257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas_: All I was saying was, if you add types, there's only one way the chain rule can work. < 1504608282 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say that for f : A -> B, Df : A -> (A -o B), where -o means a linear map < 1504608288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just fit it all together < 1504608314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess some people would say something about the product of the Jacobian matrices or something. < 1504608351 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C292.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504608693 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [home editions of Windows] have arbitrary restrictions that make them very bad at serving as servers" => and no good ports of C or C++ compiler toolkits or perl interpreters. it took some working on windows at my job to realize how REALLY TERRIBLE the C compiler situation is. < 1504608711 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry perl is pretty good < 1504608784 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if Rust ever takes over, it won't be because it's a better language or has a better compiler, even though both of those are true, but because they're doing a lot of extra work to make sure all the infrastructure works on windows. and this might be a factor of the popularity of python and other high-level languages over C++, though I'm not sure about that.) < 1504608835 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. NOBODY HAS A GOOD FREE SOFTWARE PORT OF ANY GOOD C COMPILER TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS X86_64. There are tons of ports, but each of them suck. < 1504609001 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root problem isn't that your existing C or C++ programs aren't portable, because libraries are missing. That's just a consequence of having no good C compiler toolkits, which is why existing mostly portable C or C++ libraries already don't get ported, and it's hard to develop entirely new C or C++ programs too. < 1504609065 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even libraries that get ported to BSD and Hurd and IBM's non-ASCII systems and VMS all sorts of crazy systems don't have a windows port, because it's such a suffering to continuously maintain C code for windows. < 1504609092 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good. < 1504609093 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Windows does have some other advantages for a user, I know.) < 1504609113 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes good Programmers go away from Winblows. 😎 < 1504609336 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C292.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1504609409 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The intention of my idea of the theatre shorthand will be (among other things): [1] To write without having to look at the paper so much." => people just use stenography (shorthand typewriters) for that, I think < 1504609504 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'd rather design a new game meant for this sort of system than use MTG" => ok < 1504609551 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" b_jonas_: All I was saying was, if you add types, there's only one way the chain rule can work." => I don't think so. when you do third derivatives, you get small constant factors in your expressions that you can't figure out from just the types. < 1504609615 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: good in what sense? it's not good for a programmer like me who has to suffer with stupid windows software because of this < 1504609642 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stop working for a Company that forces You to use Windows? < 1504609674 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: technically they only force me to develop products that will work on windows, but it's difficult either way < 1504609774 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is generally not easy. ☺ < 1504609862 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1504609890 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :And: < 1504609894 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Generalizations are false. 😉 < 1504610743 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504611181 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas_: Third derivatives? How do you mean? < 1504611762 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53040&oldid=53031 5* 03Zseri 5* (+19) 10+new cast op equivalent < 1504612313 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1504612333 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1504612895 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504613859 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504614922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53041&oldid=53040 5* 03Zseri 5* (+250) 10Operator Compat Levels < 1504615703 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504615983 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504616612 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fd67:5801:84d3:d47c JOIN :#esoteric < 1504617114 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh... let me look up the formulas online, I don't remember how they work. might involve some partial derivatives in multiple dimensions on a totally differentiable function where the symmetry of the order of derivatives causes the constants, or maybe something else was involved < 1504617132 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you already mentioned chain rule and second derivatives < 1504617137 0 :b_jonas_!?@? NICK :b_jonas < 1504617206 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_rule#Higher_derivatives and the constant factors of terms on the right hand side of equations < 1504617255 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as always, it's possible that you or ais are already good at calculus and all that stuff is still intuitively obvious to you, and it's just me who has the problem < 1504617713 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53042&oldid=53041 5* 03Zseri 5* (-30) 10improve formatting of operator tables < 1504617823 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still couldn't get used to some of this strange new interface in MS Word these days. So find and spellcheck aren't controlled by dialog boxes now, but instead by dockers. The main action buttons in those dialogs (find next, replace, replace all; skip, skip all, ignore, replace with selected word) do have underlined letters in them, < 1504617899 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't obvious to figure out how you actually press the button with those shortcuts. The answer is, you have to first F6 to the docker (clicking on a buttom with the mouse doesn't activate that docker), then press the letter without modifiers. < 1504617940 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt+letter or alt+shift letter doesn't work even if that docker is selected, because it's not a dialog. Alt+letter will just activate the menu entry, which sort of makes sense, but alt+shift+letter doesn't seem to do anything, < 1504617985 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which goes against what I learned in all word, in which macro debugging was controlled by such a persistently active non-modal "docker" (actually an extra toolbar thingy) with underlined buttons and you had to press alt+shift+letter for its buttons (because alt+letter clashed with the menu). < 1504618083 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still think there's no way to figure out how the shit any of this keyboard contorl works from just the interface and help, unless you already have a lot of fucking experience-based intuition on how older more intuitive MS software works and try pressing a lot of random buttons (and make sure you have gigabytes of free RAM and make backups because trying random buttons has strange side effects). < 1504618335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if you do figure it out, the interface is sometimes unintuitive. Example: you can toggle the ribbon bar as always visible or hidden, have ribbon bars with functions that you commonly use together, only one ribbon bar is shown at any one time, and if a ribbon bar was visible and you activate a new one, the new one will stay visible. Good so far. < 1504618418 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The buttons and other controls on ribon bars have the equivalent of menu shortcuts, these shortcuts are one or two letters, and they're per ribbon bar. Still good. The shortcuts within a ribbon bar are distinct form the shortcuts of different ribbon bars (top-level menu entries), which implies you get a lot of really strange and too long shortcuts, BUT < 1504618475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just press alt plus the shortcut of a ribbon bar button, despite that it seems like you can, no, each time you have to press the shortcut of the ribbon bar (with alt or f10) and then the shortcut of the particular control, even if the ribbon bar is already fucking active and visible. < 1504618526 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just one example of lots of basically good innovated design messed up by stupid small things like that. < 1504618601 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also hate the Hungarian localized interface with a passion no matter when I use it, continuiously ever since those eixst. Just stop localizing any of the fucking interface to Hungarian.) < 1504618726 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But luckily these days it's easier to get software with the original English localized interface than it used to when you'd have Hungarian Winword on two floppies and that was it. I even looked up the magical incantations for telling Firefox to use the English interface. Its default is to use the default localization of Windows, and I did download the English language pack for Firefox, but even then it wouldn't automatically choose that.) < 1504619045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for all the rant) < 1504619818 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504620465 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way, in case this is new to other people. Windows 10 does have a multiple virtual desktop thing built in, wherein you can group windows to multiple "virtual desktop" and quickly switch between desktop to show those windows and hide most others. In windows 7 you need extra software for that, although that might still be useful for windows 10 because of a better interface. < 1504620483 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't known this before, because the feature is somewhat well hidden in the windows 10 interface. < 1504620962 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504621018 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53043&oldid=53042 5* 03Zseri 5* (+251) 10Computational class < 1504621941 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504622039 0 :catern!~catern@104.131.201.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504622056 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504622557 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504622690 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504623384 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fd67:5801:84d3:d47c QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1504623855 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504624025 0 :picoder_!~picoder@103.43.112.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504624093 0 :picoder_!~picoder@103.43.112.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, has anyone tried to optimize the graham scan by modifying the actual algorith? < 1504624142 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504624929 0 :picoder_!~picoder@103.43.112.99 PART #esoteric : < 1504625433 0 :picoder_!~picoder@103.43.112.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504626350 0 :fractal!?@? NICK :_fractal_ < 1504627144 0 :picoder_!~picoder@103.43.112.99 PART #esoteric : < 1504627685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Noid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53044&oldid=52875 5* 03Zayne 5* (+38) 10/* Examples */ < 1504628008 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Noid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53045&oldid=53044 5* 03Zayne 5* (+123) 10 < 1504629679 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this session will be full... (will include ICFP contest ceremony...) < 1504629785 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan please define "broken" < 1504629785 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504630129 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan in general I find it very hard to not simply ignore reports that tell me that something is broken without explaining how. < 1504630129 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504630155 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice! will Endo be present? < 1504630160 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins magically.
< 1504630179 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know. < 1504630205 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a couple of talks first < 1504630267 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504630325 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, now I'm wondering how different countries compare, if you asked people there "do you prefer to use most software in English or in your native language?" < 1504630364 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: did Endo's planet even have trees and rivers? < 1504630529 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504630549 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd have to somehow correct for differences in English knowledge between countries < 1504630760 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there might be a crossover point where a country's population knows enough english that they will prefer the English interface to a badly localized version < 1504630780 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dunno, but I think there his transformed form has definitely affected a tree and river. < 1504630805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(recall that endo's DNS affects its environment more directly than ours) < 1504631049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I see. < 1504632740 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: My idea specifies the cards (and some of, but not all of, the rules) in a domain specific language, although it does not have to be one specific to M:tG, and might be usable with other kind of card games too. But it should be one close enough to be able to do alterable AST (whether it is an interpreter and alters it directly, or is compiled and figures out what it needs to compile in order to allow the alterations to be implemented to do t < 1504632792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make sense? Or maybe I missed something < 1504633413 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504633551 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504635684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1096 < 1504635685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1096: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1504636889 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504636895 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biproportional_apportionment <- how the fuck can this work < 1504636898 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have 6 seats < 1504636911 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. no < 1504636919 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have 2 seats to give < 1504636925 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have the votes 200, 200, 200 < 1504636938 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can there be a divisor such that the rounded sum yields 2? < 1504636945 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either 200 / divisor is 0 or it is 0 < 1504636951 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning the sum of seats will either be 3 or 0 < 1504636954 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can never be 2? < 1504637334 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504637546 0 :doesthiswork!80c1aad3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.170.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504637565 0 :doesthiswork!80c1aad3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.170.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see we're a shrub now < 1504638565 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1504639242 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504639402 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-164-38-142.range86-164.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504639684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* 10New user account < 1504639766 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53046&oldid=53022 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (+275) 10 < 1504640741 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504641111 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504641474 0 :doesthiswork!80c1aad3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.170.211 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1504642001 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504642119 0 :mroman!b2c5e19a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.225.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504642367 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfqtuidnrulmxovi JOIN :#esoteric < 1504642478 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504642680 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504642727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cubestate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53047 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (+5268) 10Created page with "'''Cubestate''' is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:Raumaankidwai]]. 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NICK :moonythedwarf < 1504651017 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 QUIT :Changing host < 1504651017 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504651365 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504651655 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504651718 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504651893 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504651931 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504651985 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504652618 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1504652677 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504652764 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8d5c:7109:d6f2:af3b JOIN :#esoteric < 1504652764 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8d5c:7109:d6f2:af3b QUIT :Client Quit < 1504652767 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1504654341 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfqtuidnrulmxovi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504654452 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504655487 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504655488 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504655573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wii int-e < 1504655573 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.haskell.org/int-e_ < 1504655577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1504655599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1504655599 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 7h 10m 13s ago: please define "broken" < 1504655599 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 7h 4m 29s ago: in general I find it very hard to not simply ignore reports that tell me that something is broken without explaining how. < 1504655609 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1504655609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504655609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504655609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504655718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e Broken as in even @hoogle a -> a wasn't working yesterday. < 1504655718 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504655737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504655764 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck! is there some simple way to remove a rust stain from a cheap polypropilene box with rough surface? < 1504655779 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamite hth < 1504655799 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stored a throwaway standalone scraper blade in it, and I didn't realize the blade was made from a non-rustproof iron < 1504655799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may also remove other things. < 1504655848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, my chemistry is rusty < 1504655911 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8934:a53:cc3c:f1da JOIN :#esoteric < 1504656160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504656482 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I have found the rest of the pack of the same type of scrapers after some searching < 1504656725 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504657062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504657231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" b_jonas: My idea specifies the cards (and some of, but not all of, the rules) in a domain specific language, [...] one close enough to be able to do alterable AST" => it does totally make sense, and it would probably work, and it's possible that it's the best way, but I think it's probably easier to not do that, and use a general purpose p < 1504657231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogramming language and write the rules and cards in it. < 1504657577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet search says (besides various advertisment sites and answers to questions other than mine) try acidic cleaning agent. I'll try a mild one, it probably won't work, but won't hurt either. < 1504657597 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that, just buy a new plastic box and throw this one away. < 1504658497 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant. the webpage says their phone number is “06 80 353 353 (06 40 FKF FKF)”. from context I think the first one is right, and the one in the parenthesis is a typo, but I'm not sure. < 1504658533 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good, later on the same webpage it says “06 80 353 353 (06 80 FKF FKF)” so that's more votes on the first number < 1504658683 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. actually both of those numbers are correct and ring at them. < 1504658854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! organic acid cleaning agent did seem to help. I removed most of the dust. some remains, but I did expect that. < 1504659296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f194f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.79 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504659633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust and polypropylene are sufficiently chemically different that you'd imagine some cleaning agent exists that can clean one from the other < 1504659979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1504659980 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504659980 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504659980 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504659984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not broken < 1504660388 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I misread as rust and polymorphism and thought you were talking about programming < 1504660434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end of the sentence must have been fairly confusing then ;-) < 1504660641 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1504660808 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504662084 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I in a shrub. < 1504663026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Ni! < 1504667186 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504667552 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504668046 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1504669578 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504669903 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504670343 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504670470 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-159-070.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504670543 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504671471 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1504671861 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504672294 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e JOIN :#esoteric < 1504672477 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504673192 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504675148 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504675194 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504675735 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504675787 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504675865 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504676112 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504676367 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504681231 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504681287 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504681416 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504682249 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504682613 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504682885 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504683099 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504683621 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504683745 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504685573 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ais523: I misread as rust and polymorphism" lol < 1504685587 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504685706 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some solvent must work, sure. the non-obvious part was if there's some househole agent that I can use safely (so not eg. natrium hidroxyde or some such cleaner) and simple enough to use to be worth for some cheap plastic thingy (as opposed to something expensive to replace like a window frame). < 1504685915 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504686044 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? windows < 1504686053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1504686080 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frame < 1504686081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. Frame homomorphisms don't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. < 1504686100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? locale < 1504686101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1504686197 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504686929 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504688430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504688720 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504689018 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504689268 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504690902 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504691487 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504691983 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504693121 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I asked many time for a numerical multi-dimensional maximizer function other than the ones in GSL? apparently recent versions of OpenCV have one. I'm sure this wasn't there in older versions. < 1504693240 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1504693240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504693241 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504693241 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504693266 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan @hoogle not responding at all is strange indeed, but I have no clue why; no suspicious OOM kills, and it's running locally; maybe an IO bottleneck and resulting timeout... how would one diagnose this < 1504693266 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504693302 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1504693305 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1504693529 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504693916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1504694094 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There's also http://dlib.net/optimization.html (don't know this firsthand, but remember having come across it somewhere) < 1504694360 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let me look at that < 1504694405 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at it later, thanks for mentioning it, I haven't heard of that library yet < 1504695358 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:521:2c59:d584:3b32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504696784 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. they're printing an eighth Jace card < 1504697035 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :druid? < 1504697103 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? no, Jace is definitely not a druid < 1504698103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :droid? < 1504698386 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. Karn might be a droid < 1504698513 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're printing another hive land, which could be useful for some decks, like five-color sliver decks that already run only crazy lands and have four Ancient Ziggurats and four of that sliver land thing already , < 1504698525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the spirit deck I'm trying to build < 1504698756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatures you control have sliver. creatures your opponents control lose sliver and can't have or gain sliver. < 1504698791 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1504699007 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we don't have those together, but we have the two separately < 1504699069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for quite cheap too, namely Shields of Velis Vel for the first one and Ego Erasure for the latter < 1504699137 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are just about the only defense you can use against when a good sliver decks plays Crystalline Sliver unless it plays that very early < 1504699189 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other possible defense is mass creature removal, but that only works if you build your deck in such a way that it can recover from that faster than the sliver deck, which is not so easy < 1504699208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Ego Erasure and Shields of Velis Vel don't require much of a build around < 1504699330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also some early defense you can do, which you need to have before the Crystalline comes out, like counterspells and similar < 1504699392 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Hivestone for the former by the way < 1504699721 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8934:a53:cc3c:f1da JOIN :#esoteric < 1504699886 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8934:a53:cc3c:f1da QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504706875 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504707090 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Client Quit < 1504707961 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504708452 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504708697 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504708770 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504709023 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504709703 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CBFF.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504711660 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :FIX < 1504711662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cubestate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53051&oldid=53050 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (-349) 10 < 1504711669 0 :FIX!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1504712459 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1504712581 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504713689 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504713823 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e JOIN :#esoteric < 1504714862 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504715417 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CBFF.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504715794 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pytufrnbudhinren QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504717345 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-thfsogypdwfjvlzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1504717404 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:521:2c59:d584:3b32 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1504717954 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504718739 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, sint maarten is fucked < 1504718943 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbuda is probably annihilated < 1504718950 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504719120 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504720145 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504720293 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504721733 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Disgraced pharmaceutical CEO Martin Shkreli claims to have Hillary Clinton’s DNA and has threatened to clone her in a bizarre series of Facebook posts. 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504723910 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504724364 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CBFF.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504724885 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504725355 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504727023 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504727404 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504727586 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@91.219.236.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504727778 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@91.219.236.140 QUIT :Client Quit < 1504727841 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504727841 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1504728195 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504732195 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CBFF.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504733905 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504734713 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1504735099 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504735173 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504735901 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504736241 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504736707 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504737025 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504737945 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504738261 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504739866 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504740094 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-159-070.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504741089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504742873 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504745017 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504745295 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504746795 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504749932 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 615 seconds < 1504749941 0 :rumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1504751494 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504751791 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504752653 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504752846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504753136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1504753136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 16h 37m 50s ago: @hoogle not responding at all is strange indeed, but I have no clue why; no suspicious OOM kills, and it's running locally; maybe an IO bottleneck and resulting timeout... < 1504753136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : how would one diagnose this < 1504753155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell it actually did respond with a list of packages, just not the actual functions. < 1504753156 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504753159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1504753166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell incomprehensibly it actually did respond with a list of packages, just not the actual functions. < 1504753166 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504753169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1504753178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e it actually did respond with a list of packages, just not the actual functions. < 1504753178 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504753212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell incomprehensibly ...tab completion error. < 1504753212 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1504753359 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504753566 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 QUIT :Quit: See Ya. < 1504753582 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504753743 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504754015 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504755692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Drawkcab14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53052&oldid=52138 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10C++ ----> ++C < 1504756896 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504757098 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504757496 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504757590 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504758359 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504760215 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504760495 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504760671 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504761594 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504761611 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504761616 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504761617 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504761712 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504761719 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504761867 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504762020 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504762069 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504762360 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1504763098 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1504763505 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504763747 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504764800 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504766249 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.17.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504766329 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1504766364 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.44.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504766736 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504766836 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504767005 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504767827 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504769687 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504770017 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504770287 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504771107 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504771488 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504771636 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, weird < 1504771665 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I to conclude that the command line hoogle is not deterministic? < 1504771900 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504772144 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.17.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504772589 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504772775 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504773430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well it wasn't on that day, anyway. < 1504773467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good enough if it's deterministic some of the time. < 1504773496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was acknowledging oerjan's joke, not missing it and then making the same joke.) < 1504774668 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know anything tangible that changed between then and now < 1504774759 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor did I actually observe the behavior you describe, but that's a smaller issue) < 1504775183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps i should paste my log < 1504775258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35 =oerjan> @hoogle a->a < 1504775258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35 =lambdabot> package base < 1504775258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35 =lambdabot> package bytestring < 1504775258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35 =lambdabot> package containers < 1504775288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it gave the same response to every type i tried < 1504775348 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "worked" though: < 1504775350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:34 =oerjan> @hoogle f::(a->b)->(a,c)->(b,c) < 1504775350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:34 =lambdabot> Formatting.ShortFormatters f :: Real a => Int -> Format r (a -> r) < 1504775353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:34 =lambdabot> Turtle.Format f :: Format r (Double -> r) < 1504775356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:34 =lambdabot> Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars f :: FromExpr a => a < 1504775364 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1504775369 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a -> a < 1504775369 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504775369 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504775369 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504775372 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a->a < 1504775372 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package base < 1504775372 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package bytestring < 1504775372 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :package containers < 1504775378 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some parsing problem < 1504775382 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1504775395 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: false alarm, it was deterministic anyhow < 1504775430 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try a newer hoogle version soonish, though it may have to wait until october < 1504775435 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1504775467 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a < 1504775467 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Blaze.Html4.FrameSet a :: Html -> Html < 1504775467 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Blaze.Html4.Strict a :: Html -> Html < 1504775467 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Blaze.Html4.Transitional a :: Html -> Html < 1504775485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe it simply treats everything without a space as an ident < 1504775494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int < 1504775495 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude data Int < 1504775495 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :module Data.Int < 1504775495 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Int data Int < 1504775514 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a ->a < 1504775515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504775515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504775515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504775518 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not quite) < 1504775562 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is Hoogle 5.0.9 < 1504775620 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.0.13 apparently fixes this < 1504775625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1504775647 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/issues/219 < 1504775669 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504775752 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's just try installing the new version < 1504775919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504776219 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a->a < 1504776220 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1504776220 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1504776220 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts breakpoint :: a -> a < 1504776326 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the significance of those 'package' results (if they are results at all...)? < 1504776876 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.17.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504776893 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.17.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504776947 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504777162 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504777238 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.17.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504777368 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a < 1504777707 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.17.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504778323 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504779548 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504779884 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504780208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. today's first SMBC cracks me up http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pictograms < 1504780224 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504780419 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504780681 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504780759 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even a chimp < 1504780806 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be a very stylized one but pls < 1504780876 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0, are you accusing Zach Weinersmith of being able to draw and choosing not to < 1504780917 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1504780922 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1504780936 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was a gorilla at first < 1504780946 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504780968 0 :TheRegulator!~the_regul@2a01:cb15:8161:bd00:d5ed:1b33:1e6a:1595 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504781225 0 :TheRegulator!~the_regul@2a01:cb15:8161:bd00:d5ed:1b33:1e6a:1595 PART #esoteric : < 1504782283 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-098-003.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504782334 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-159-070.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504782570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504784886 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: I think misrepresenting the visual appearance of chimps is a noble tradition from Irregular Webcomic. < 1504784891 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it doesn't look like a chimp. < 1504785009 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :us that a meme? < 1504785038 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the more technical sense o the term, that is < 1504785052 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: maybe just a callback < 1504785061 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1504785084 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more likely it's not intentional at all, only I'm connecting it, and Zach just doesn't care too much about drawing accurately as long as he can get the meaning through < 1504785107 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just funny comic strips, not some hard sci-fi stories < 1504786781 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1504789324 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ektpncwqwekrwcjc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504793211 0 :rumble!?@? NICK :grumble < 1504793679 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504793836 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Therrore 5* 10New user account < 1504795763 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504796518 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504796645 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504796760 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1504797518 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: . < 1504799314 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504799664 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504799687 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest23223 < 1504801567 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezhdclanubhtixsk JOIN :#esoteric < 1504803088 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504803274 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504803488 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504803755 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504803857 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504804144 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504804727 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504806174 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504806786 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504806854 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504806976 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504807153 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504807328 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1504807453 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504807994 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504808261 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504808299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504808328 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504808780 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504808801 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening lads < 1504808829 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504809103 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504809149 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504809156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1504809162 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:brevity//syn. "shortness" \ iwc//iwc contains puns! Puns galore! Puns after puns after puns! Also science! \ cocoon//Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. \ it'//It's written with an apostrophe. \ `fetch//`fetch [] downloads files, and is the only web access currently available in HackEgo. It < 1504809166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1504809166 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: is a special builtin that cannot be called from other commands. See also `edit. < 1504809432 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504809524 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504809869 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810303 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810503 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810614 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504810760 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBF1.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810791 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810862 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D9B5.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504810955 0 :zseri__!~zseri@i5E86CDA8.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504811042 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBF1.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504811121 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504811178 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D9B5.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504811195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think I'm getting to the bottom of this < 1504811249 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1504811417 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504811639 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAUAAUAGHH it froze again < 1504812266 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504813198 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504813226 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504813269 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504813473 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504813982 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86DD6A.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504814193 0 :zseri__!~zseri@i5E86CDA8.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504814632 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504815090 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504815212 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504815303 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504815334 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys < 1504815401 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: bottom of what, and what froze? a drink? < 1504815403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504815470 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you all today? < 1504815488 0 :Guest23223!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1504815494 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1504815494 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1504815764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1504816271 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah rats < 1504816302 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battey went out during creation of my recovery stick. < 1504816308 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3h wasted. < 1504816322 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this keyboard can't really tolerate fast writing. < 1504816331 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typing < 1504816355 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll do for travelling I guess < 1504816450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: whoa, what keyboard is that? Is it some really old device like a ZX Spectrum? Or some of this fancy modern software like Windows or mobile phone stuff that runs on fast modern hardware but still manages to have reaction times so slow that your keypresses appear on screen only a second later? < 1504816476 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I haven't seen that happen on Linux too, but it's still certain bad software that causes that.) < 1504816484 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504816504 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything in between can easily tolerate much faster writing than basically any human can manage. < 1504816574 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically there's also old slow modems with a low communication throughput limit, and old typewriter terminals where the mechanics of the printer limit the speed, but even most of those are fast enough for typical human typing. < 1504816678 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a mini notebook < 1504816683 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly modern. < 1504816698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a software problem then < 1504816707 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your typing has to go through network without local echo < 1504816747 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504816790 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im' probably not usde to hit this hard < 1504816807 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my timing si probably of because hte distance between keys is'nt exaclty thes ame anymore < 1504816823 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this si waht it look like if i try to type fash < 1504816843 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very narrow keyboard. < 1504816900 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my typing gets bad when I'm angry and doing heated debate flames on internet. you can sometimes see that on IRC, even on this channel. it doesn't quite look like that though. < 1504816950 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Medion-Akoya-E2215T-Convertible.188012.0.html <- a version of this one. < 1504816970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, funnily, I have difficulty typing slowly. I think it's the centipede problem: I can type English just fine when I do it at the usual fast speed, but when I try to slow down to pay attention to the individual keypresses, I get all confused and forget how to type. < 1504816994 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I try to think of where each individual letter key is, I can only tell that very slowly, even though I press those letters in normal typing easily. < 1504817004 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's normal. < 1504817020 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens with pin codes for debit cards etc. as well < 1504817037 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And passwords of other sorts, yes. < 1504817062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have difficulty walking slowly, or also walking anything between my two habitual walking paces, the normal fast one and a slower one. < 1504817082 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They differ in movement, not only speed, which is why I can't just interpolate between. < 1504817114 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The slower pace is also slightly more difficult than the faster pace, at least dexterity wise, not necessarily in energy use.) < 1504817140 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezhdclanubhtixsk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504817149 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. they reskinned the library search webpage of FSzEK. < 1504817182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it has these input boxes with custom borders, not just ordinary browser input controls with the height forced too small < 1504817226 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand that stupid fashion. Even Wikipedia bought into it with checkboxes. I have just fine form controls in my fucking browser, there's no need to reimplement them with something worse. < 1504817281 0 :zseri_!?@? NICK :zseri < 1504817284 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least the custom input boxes usually only differ in appearance, they still use the browser's normal text input. It's much worse when a websites reimplements even the behaviour of control, much worse than the browser.) < 1504817923 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1504817932 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU NEED JAVASCRIPT FORM CONTROLS < 1504817971 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they don't offer any functionality browsers implemented over the years < 1504817987 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as remembering what you entered when you press backwards or F5 < 1504818098 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F5? wtf. you press alt-down to bring up the history dropdown. but the javascript implementations also do remember what you typed and offer suggestions, but often with a worse interface, and sometimes in a way that both the browser's dropdown and the custom one appears at the same time and conflict with each other when you try to choose an entry fro < 1504818098 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m either dropdown. < 1504818107 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tcmnqfmipiqyitsf JOIN :#esoteric < 1504818156 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You press F5 for reloading the page. Or control-R. Either works in all current browsers, the two different shortcuts originate from some difference in two popular competing browsers ages ago. < 1504818239 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also why you enter the address bar with either control-L (which straight up activates it) or F6 (which cycles between the webpage, the address bar, and the sidebar in typical Windows fashion). < 1504818270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hob_jonas < 1504818277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1504818287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old laptop's keyboard would send F6 if you pressed three keys simultaneously. < 1504818291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was either hjk or jkl < 1504818307 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy idea, related to esolang community < 1504818425 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: strangely, some keyboards or software start autorepeating a sequence of multiple letters if you hold down multiple letter keys long enough, so you get something like eg. "hkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkj". I could do it with even six letters in some configuration. This seems new to the last five years, and I don't understand why any < 1504818425 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hw or sw would do that. Why would it autorepeat more than one key? < 1504818456 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Well, touchpads and touchscreens are now "multitouch" < 1504818462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it makes sense to extend the same to keyboards. < 1504818485 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some keyboards just omit a key if you press certain combinations of too many keys at the same time and at least two of them aren't shift keys, but this is sort of an understandable limitation of the electronic wiring. < 1504818512 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f5 is refresh in pretty much all browsers. < 1504818515 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: typing all letters once when you press the keys simultaneously does make sense. It's autorepeating more than two that doesn't make sense to me. < 1504818529 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, that's what I said < 1504818574 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this notebook actually has touchscreen as well < 1504818591 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in particular, I used a workstation where I couldn't type leftshift+capslock+backtick, which is where "Í" is assigned on my strange keyboard layout. Luckily that's a rare letter. < 1504818643 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the keyboard is definitely a negative point. < 1504818667 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saner keyboards and software, like this home machine I'm using now, doesn't do either. it allows basically any number of keys simultaneously, and doesn't try to autorepeat multiple keys at the same time < 1504818697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um, the keyboard is a negative point in that notebook in what sense? < 1504818709 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not sensitive enough. < 1504818728 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tap certain keys and they go down without registering a keystroke < 1504818734 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, touchscreens for ordinary computers, eww, I hate those) < 1504818748 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to press firmer and hold the key down a bit longer than on other keyboards. < 1504818762 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning typing at 120WPM really sucks with this keyboard. < 1504818774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's certain reasons to use it for some special applications, like in publically accessable terminals that anyone can access. even there I don't like them, but I admit they have some advantages.) < 1504818783 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean: you can't type over 80WPM on this keyboard. < 1504818804 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "can tap certain keys and they go down without registering a keystroke" ouch. a keyboard shouldn't do that. < 1504818817 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like mechanical typewriters < 1504818842 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plug in an external keyboard as a workaround < 1504818866 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it only registers it if you press down exactly in the middle < 1504818881 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even worse < 1504818888 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I press on the corner it won't register anything. < 1504818906 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get that notebook? did your job lend it to you for work? < 1504818917 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought it in a store. < 1504818924 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 200 bucks. < 1504818934 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a really cheap one. < 1504818938 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the keyboard feel like physically? is it like cheap normal computer keyboards, or horrible rubber keys, or something else? < 1504818972 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a regular notebook keyboard. < 1504819074 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD6A.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504819113 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's like 10GB usable space < 1504819118 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clerk said there's 20GB < 1504819123 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504819158 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the storage device 20 GB but filled with 10 GB of junk that comes with the system installation or later automatic downloads and caches and temporary files and log files? < 1504819404 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to analyse that first < 1504819407 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504819428 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdisk < 1504819456 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it has tricky firmware hiding some of the storage, in which case it's much harder < 1504819474 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1504819482 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shit should be regulated < 1504819565 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shit? shipping mobile phones with software full of security hole, even when they aren't deliberate holes for bad reasons but just plain bad development, with updates that make the original android OS even worse, and with no support for downstream security updates later, or no support at all half a year after people buy the phone model? < 1504819576 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or false advertisment? < 1504819588 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a windows < 1504819603 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bundling products with crap should be regulated yes < 1504819616 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pre-installing useless crapware < 1504819626 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504819632 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stuff like anti-virus products that can't be uninstalled < 1504819681 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd actually be in favor of prohibiting pre-installing anything EXCEPT the OS < 1504819723 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a scam to push useless software to unknowing customers. < 1504819758 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows might be the same, I'm just less familiar with it than the android crap < 1504819818 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily mostly only from other people's devices and second hand accounts. so far I've managed to avoid owning any of this smartphone stuff myself, and even my next phone, which I'll probably buy within a year, will be a non-smartphone < 1504819836 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like my current phone, but electronics does age) < 1504819888 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also now I want more realiability, so with how long this one lives, I might actually buy a new one BEFORE it breaks down or gets stolen, to avoid even a day of downtime. < 1504819889 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1504819981 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504820018 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1504820028 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll do the job. < 1504820037 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I already have a normal notebook < 1504820054 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't want to invest 1200CHF to buy a good mini notebook < 1504820063 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bought the cheapest one they had :D < 1504820138 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I understand not wanting to buy something more expensive. that's why I specifically said external keyboard as workaround, because that's both cheap and simple < 1504820154 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no space fo external keyboard :) < 1504820155 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a huge market of external keyboards with lots of variation. obviously most of it is crap. < 1504820167 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keyboards are easier to test in shops than notebooks. < 1504820183 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no space? like, holding the notebook in your lap on a train? < 1504820196 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backpack < 1504820199 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1504820205 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be my travel notebook < 1504820209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1504820233 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my backpack is now complete and ready < 1504820247 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504820254 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit on the heavy side though < 1504820255 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I was traveling to the airport in Sweden this year, by train. The train had nice tables between the seats. Three people sat together with me, and all three were busy apparently working on a large notebook each. < 1504820273 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but temperatures are anywhere from -15 to +35C here < 1504820273 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't seem to know each other, so it looked as if everyone independently chose to work on the train. < 1504820282 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to pack winter stuff as well < 1504820296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only the ones sitting close to me though, not everyone else on the train.) < 1504820347 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after my MRI I'm probably going to vanish for some time < 1504820350 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I travel within Hungary, I don't often see large notebooks. I see people pushing the touchscreen on tiny smartphone displays, with often a broken display. < 1504820358 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the MRI actually shows something. < 1504820378 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a girl with a nintendo DS on the bus at one point, it stuck in my memory because it was so unusual. < 1504820378 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have the will to go from doc to doc anymore. < 1504820386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanish where? < 1504820398 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1504820402 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1504820404 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds scary < 1504820412 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I packed for every temperatue range. < 1504820413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to get yourself committed, do you? < 1504820421 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just some vacation? < 1504820431 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extended vacation that is? < 1504820437 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to leave the environment of your normal home? < 1504820495 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1504820506 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more scary < 1504820509 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried < 1504820512 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1504820526 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you supposed to do otherwise? < 1504820538 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1504820545 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary. < 1504820547 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know your circumstances < 1504820576 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can enjoy vanishing for a vacation, but only for two weeks or so < 1504820583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people do it for much longer < 1504820604 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically ill 3/4 of the time < 1504820607 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like influenza ill < 1504820611 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not influenza < 1504820612 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8cb:8e0a:7f86:f88a JOIN :#esoteric < 1504820630 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have very reduced capacity to actually do stuff < 1504820642 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone from our school had enough of everything at some point and suddenly vanished into Nepal, herding yaks on a bicycle or something, and returned a year later. or something. that's a bit distorted version of the rumour, but still. < 1504820646 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means rather poor quality of life < 1504820656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I also have that, but not that badly < 1504820671 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly ill all the time, seriously ill twice a year, reduced work capacity during < 1504820702 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just took a four month long leave from work, but didn't really vanish, not from work, not from my family or the internet < 1504820711 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not for longer than a week at once at least) < 1504820739 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too stressed, and also don't do enough sports and healthy eating and all that stuff, and it's a self-reinforcing bad cycle < 1504820756 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also preinstalled software is usually demo 30 days < 1504820759 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while I get overweight, which makes my health worse, my future health expectations much worse, but also makes it more difficult to break the habits and do more sports < 1504820763 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not removed after 30 days < 1504820768 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mcaffee < 1504820775 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll consume ressources even after that < 1504820778 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's seriously worrying me, but hard to change < 1504820781 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that should be even more illegal. < 1504820794 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so be careful < 1504820798 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely work < 1504820815 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope at least you also do have a family supporting you, and that you don't vanish from them at least < 1504820817 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504820819 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I only have 20% of my cognitive potential avalable < 1504820825 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1504820830 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, keep a mobile phone < 1504820832 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no family suppoting me < 1504820841 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird relationship < 1504820866 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504820873 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, my memory and mind is getting worse. that's the really scary part, from the inside even more so than from the outside I think, because my family and coworkers can see how I'm fat and unhealthy and can't work as much, but I see that and also how I can't think normally < 1504820895 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying my family isn't a "weird relationship", but their support still means a lot for me < 1504820909 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have no family, then you should strive to make one, even if they're not blood relations < 1504820915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but friends < 1504820936 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly look my parents in the eyes < 1504820942 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes I can't talk to them < 1504820951 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: selective mutism can't talk < 1504820966 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :original family is great default in some cases, but I mostly care about them too because they care about me, all they did for me in the past when they were younger and more able to help, but also how they always try support me now as much as they can < 1504820980 0 :^v^v!?@? NICK :^v < 1504820998 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't be comitted :D < 1504821009 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically yes < 1504821012 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically no < 1504821023 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... can be difficult. I hope they can work it around. my mother always seems to somehow correctly guess most of what happens to me, even if I try to not tell everything. it's hard to prove, but I think he has some secret superpowers. < 1504821031 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rest of my family doesn't have that) < 1504821074 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you at least have enough money to be able to support yourself for a break from work while you regenerate yourself < 1504821082 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last clinic stay gave me PTSD < 1504821083 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1504821086 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply couldn't keep up working all the time < 1504821100 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have a _really_ hard time keeping me there. < 1504821129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: wait, so you say you can't be committed because staying in the clinic has a terrible effect on you? I don't think that's how institution works, but I don't really know < 1504821138 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1504821143 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I don't believe you can't be committed, only that reason seems odd < 1504821168 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any doctor can legally committ any random person for 24h no questions asked < 1504821217 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the questios is whether any random person would comply. < 1504821231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thanks for telling about your situation, it (and other stories on #esoteric ) shows me I'm not alone in some sense < 1504821243 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoreticaly the police can enforce admission of course < 1504821259 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1504821264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for that, I don't know how they keep people in against their will, but they seem good at it. maybe that only works for certain types of people. < 1504821282 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: are you open to a discussion by PM? < 1504821299 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1504821324 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically, I do have some ideas from certain terrible stories my mother told about people who really had to be kept in for a good reason, but I mostly blocked them from my mind < 1504821341 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try not to pay too much attention to most details of my mother's work, it has a bad effect < 1504821368 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only listen to the part of how it affects her outside her works, like a certain workplace accident when he got his hand bitten, strongly, by a kid < 1504821393 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how overloaded she is with her work because she just can't stop accepting more and more work all the time < 1504821401 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's so dedicated < 1504821761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dlib.net/ => oh wow. this sounds nice. if it actually lives up to those promises in the front page, then I'll like this library. it reminds me to other well maintained software that I also like. < 1504821827 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some other such software are http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/ and http://sqlite.org/ . if you already know this dlib thing, and like it, check out those.) < 1504822074 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, did they change the shortcut for the bookmark manager too? I swear firefox keeps scrambling keyboard shortcuts lately. they've changed the shortcut for the download list twice, between control-J, control-Y, and control-shift-something, and now the bookmarks < 1504822252 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504822271 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504822557 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504822666 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504823430 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504823599 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504823713 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1504824027 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504824038 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504824182 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1504824192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504824253 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504824923 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504824984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504825005 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504825145 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504825229 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, I wanted to tell about my stupid esolang idea < 1504825235 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got distracted < 1504825276 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504825305 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I was thinking of creating an esolang parody of bad esolangs that some people create and write about on the wiki. < 1504825376 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Statistical Brainfuck is basically that, but I never got round to writing it < 1504825391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically BF only it infers the commands in use via analysing the program < 1504825398 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to use a lot of the bad tropes, such as no really eso features, missing computation power such as not enough control structures or not enough memory access, and also a bad attempt of an implementation that supports only the easier half of the language features, crippling it even more, sometimes fails to match the documentation, and has bug < 1504825398 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s and bad coding that clearly shows the creator doesn't know how to implement interpreters (this part might be hard for me, I'm not saying I write good code, but it's hard to deliberately write code bad in that way) < 1504825399 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it can't figure it out, prints "Hello, world!". < 1504825412 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ah, right < 1504825432 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to write a "language from someone who can't write interpreters" is to have no form of control flow at all < 1504825441 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the commands run in sequence, then the program ends < 1504825507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I won't learn Java or C# for just this, even though it would be realistic to write the interpreter in that, and I also won't unlearn C++ to imitate the horrible C++ styles found online, but I'll still try to do justice to using an unsuitable programming language and the wrong features of that langugae. < 1504825530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: write it in C with a .cpp extension < 1504825539 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be close enough < 1504825556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is fairly easy to do even if you're a good programmer < 1504825561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that can work, but if I do that, then either I can't write an interpreter at all, or I'll have to write an interpreter that's not obviously lacking important features of the language. that could be more realstic, but also more boring < 1504825578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python could also work, if you know it < 1504825609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, those are options. I was also thinking of using C or pascal with some vague label like "Pascal 5.0" that suggests some old DOS interpreter. < 1504825622 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really decided yet. < 1504825681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about some proprietary language which is very similar to a more widely used free language? < 1504825689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only I don't know many examples of those nowadays < 1504825731 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do know a little mathematica and maple and matlab, which may be enough to write bad code, but I'm not sure how realistic it would be for a newbie to use those to write interpreters < 1504825737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even bad interpreters < 1504825759 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, how about visual basic < 1504825762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right < 1504825763 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also write C or C++ that only works in microsoft compilers < 1504825769 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, visual basic works perfectly for this < 1504825780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can learn the relevant parts in like 5 minutes if you don't know it already < 1504825784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spending any more time would defeat the purpose) < 1504825795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C using conio.h would also make sense < 1504825806 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eww. I mean, I can write bad basic, I used to, even in visual basic, but I would feel so dirty from that as if I wrote php < 1504825821 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, :) < 1504825888 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pascal with turbo/borland pascal's crt library is sort of the same as conio from turbo/borland c, only older and that much simpler (turbo pascal is actually a non-optimizing compiler), and was quite popular in the days when people used turbo pascal in DOS for education, and those days haven't completely ended yet < 1504825926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (turbo pascal is actually a non-optimizing compiler) ← now I'm even more confused and worried about how when, years ago, I rewrote a Turbo Pascal program in C and it got slower < 1504825939 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it was a good IDE and library for the context it was made for < 1504825946 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there something massively wrong with the library I was using, or something massively wrong with my code? < 1504825984 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turbo C is an optimizing compiler, but that's basically like a non-optimizing compiler today. sort of like how C is a low-level language now, but was a high level language forty years ago < 1504826009 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious projects used assembly for all the performance-critical code < 1504826065 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504826067 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was easier to mix with C than even now, because there was good support for assembly in the IDEs and debuggers, good support for inline assembly, the compilers had simple ABIs, and the CPU and OS was simpler so optimized assembly prorgamming was easier to learn < 1504826102 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course means that most of the assembly programs written back then are worse than what you'd write in C++ today, with some exceptions of master programmers, but still, it was useful at the time < 1504826132 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm trying and failing to remember the precise C compiler I used < 1504826163 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what target platform? MS-DOS? win16 on x86? win32 on x86? < 1504826165 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ABIs are /still/ simple when the signature of the function is simple < 1504826171 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even OS-2? < 1504826191 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know the computer it was on was running either Windows 95 or Windows 98, but I don't know the platform of the executable, although it was probably a DOS executable < 1504826246 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turbo C and borland C did support win16 as a target, but few people learned that because then you have to learn a lot about win16 system programming first and get familiar with the libraries < 1504826268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :win16 was my "main" target platform for several years < 1504826281 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good GUIs are still hard, and it was even harder when you HAD to support cooperative multitasking with no memory protection < 1504826282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it stopped working, I ended up switching to Linux rather than trying to get win32 to work < 1504826300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(part of the reason behind this is that my compiler had problems making win32 code, possibly due to bitrot) < 1504826315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cringe! https://scontent.fwaw3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21317927_870196236467487_2502978163715573443_n.jpg?oh=0036232e6f91b8a0c522171488267087&oe=5A1901C7 < 1504826333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :win16 + GDI wasn't too bad when you were used to it, anyway, although my programming style was shocking back then < 1504826339 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not shocking, just unsuitable for Windows < 1504826366 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically put the entire program logic into the repaint handler, then had a timer to repaint the window at short intervals < 1504826369 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, when did it stop working? I stopped using win16 programs before windows dropped support, but I know win95 OSR2 runs the non-unicode win16 programs winword 2 and 6 and excel 5 fine, and I seem to remember they still ran on win32 < 1504826380 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually how most old games consoles work (although I didn't know that at the time), but is very out of place on PC < 1504826405 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: even in windows 98 some of the APIs didn't work < 1504826409 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean compilers and libraries stopped supporting win16 programming, as opposed to windows stopped supporting running windows programs? < 1504826410 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the one to play music through the PC speaker < 1504826419 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, it never did stop working -- Windows 10 *still* supports Win16, if you're on x86, not x86_64. < 1504826438 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know some of the old APIs didn't work, but those came up in very old win16 programs from before windows 3 (seriously) or older DOS programs < 1504826440 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, I imagine stuff only *kinda* works these days. < 1504826444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to move onto MDI instead which is a pain because on our Windows 98 configuration, attempting to load a MIDI file with MDI caused a freeze of tens of seconds < 1504826468 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although oddly, if you played one through Windows Media Player, the freeze happened when the file looped for the first time rather than when it was initially loaded) < 1504826483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but it's sometimes easier to just run those programs in a full virtual machine < 1504826491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked around this by preloading all the MIDI files during a loading screen at the start but it meant that the program took ages to load < 1504826516 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP reduced this to about a second per file, so it was much more reasonable (although still seems ridiculously large given how simple a MIDI file should be to load) < 1504826535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IIRC MDI used a "command-line" API where you called a function and passed a string to it describing what you want to do < 1504826554 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using separate functions which each had their own arguments < 1504826564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may have the name of the library wrong, it was ages ago < 1504826581 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I can imagine the graphics and sound stuff used mostly by games stopped working earlier. that wasn't really MS's target to support. although some of that is because the DOS (and even nominally win16) programs used direct hardware stuff, not documented APIs, for speed and flexibility, and those are much harder to emulate than APIs that < 1504826581 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably designed wrt future compatibility < 1504826633 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had to move onto MDI instead which is a pain because on our Windows 98 configuration, attempting to load a MIDI file with MDI caused a freeze of tens of seconds" => hehe, that totally sounds believable. for that era, and for today also < 1504826669 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"by preloading all the MIDI files during a loading screen" => wait, it froze for loading EACH midi file? that's even worse < 1504826685 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you work it around by loading just one big midi file and playing sections? < 1504826733 0 :mroman!b2c5ed33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.237.51 QUIT :Quit: need sleep < 1504826752 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also, IIRC MDI used a "command-line" API where you called a function and passed a string to it describing what you want to do" => we use the euphemism "domain-specific language" rather than "command line" for APIs like that < 1504826773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still exist these days, and are sometimes good but sometimes terrible < 1504826809 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like sqlite < 1504826822 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reasonably good example is SQLite, where most of the API is SQL statements, and people keep asking for a more direct C api for many functions, but the devs wisely don't add such a thing, because that would make future compatibility much harder < 1504826911 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad example is G'MIC's api, although I don't know enough about it to be sure. it involves syntax horror with impossible quoting of the like cmd and powershell could envy. < 1504826919 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can access files from the file system. < 1504827002 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might also count cases where an interpreter was first and an API was added as an afterthought but the API wasn't designed, it just evolved from trying to hack the interpreter. perl is the classical example, but I seem to remember there was a few more like that. < 1504827060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm not sure what controlled the duration of the freeze, it might have been that a large file froze for logner < 1504827073 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perl 5 obviously < 1504827094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: SQLite does have a direct C API for many of its functions < 1504827122 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 6 has an overdesigned impossible to implement API with second system effect, completely unlike the rest of the language, because the designer for that is a different person from Larry who has the vision for the language proper) < 1504827163 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: direct C api for many of the auxiliary functions, but not for the database table accesses, which would be sort of the main point < 1504827267 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while it tries hard to pretend that it has a complete API for writing new SQL functions, there are actually a few things that the builtin functions can do but that are impossible with the public API. I asked about one or two of this, and it's by design, because they couldn't figure out a good enough API for that functionality yet, so they'll r < 1504827267 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ather not add bad APIs that will constrain future compat. < 1504827429 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, MIN and MAX magically compare text values (character strings, they just use a strange term) with the collating function appropriate for the column, when the documented API makes that impossible < 1504827469 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a few builtin optimizations for MIN and MAX, but then those are transparent optimizations so that's OK < 1504827534 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if I create such a parody, I'll try to create a new user account on the esowiki for it, with a little background personality story, and perhaps call it fungot < 1504827535 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this, my friends, is the malaise of the glutton at life's buffet, building complicaters? domino frustraters? wobbley times u.s.a.? um, maybe if i told his jokes < 1504827592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, isn't perl 6 basically an elaborate esolang in the intercal tradition by now < 1504827592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, and some of the things they promise are actually physically impossible. it is starting to sound like one of those pseudoscience products actually < 1504827592 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this is a very common fantasy among children played hopscotch! maybe! i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. they'll just go somewhere else. < 1504827608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know < 1504827644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1504827644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://glyphic.s3.amazonaws.com/ozone/mark/periodic/Periodic%20Table%20of%20the%20Operators%20A4%20300dpi.jpg < 1504827649 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should try to hide some specific community in-jokes or references in the text too < 1504827664 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8cb:8e0a:7f86:f88a QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1504827674 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, I can see why it's like an esolang, it's just the Intercal part that I don't understand < 1504827695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well intercal's philosophy was 'be a bizarre reflection of a serious language' < 1504827722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and some of the perl6 features it has are very impractical to interpret even programs that sparesly use them, like computed come from < 1504827742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the vast majority of esolangs are along the brainfuck/befunge tradition of 'be some utterly weird model of computation' < 1504827775 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but it doesn't look like a reflection of any language to me. quite the opposite, it seems a very unique language in its feature set and design, different from everything else I've seen, it's just that the feature set and design is terrible < 1504827802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true of intercal too man < 1504827908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504827948 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl6 has some parts of utterly weird model of computation, such as how it stores data. you can imagine it as a parody of perl5, where in perl5 it occured mostly from historical compatibility and different features trying to have different models utterly incompatible with each other, as in DWIM scalars a la perl/bash/tcl versus scalars that know th < 1504827948 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eir dynamical type a la python/ruby; in perl6 it's a straight up design without much historical compatibility reasons that ends up looking like a bad parody. < 1504827952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've never looked into perl 6 too deeply b/c it was always too incomprehensible in my 'learn all the languages' phase < 1504827973 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I didn't look at it deeply either < 1504827996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm actively avoiding it now, sort of like how I avoid PHP < 1504828061 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that PHP has a bad history like C++ and has actually improved a lot in recent versions, slowly turning into a good language, but with most of the code monkeys using it still using all the bad programming practices they learn from past bad code examples and old books; < 1504828076 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas perl6 isn't like that. < 1504828144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so weird about perl 6's scalars < 1504828169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not avoiding PHP because it's such a bad language, but because I have a superstition that the four big p languages (perl, ruby, python and php) are mutually incompatible in that any one person must choose at most three unless they want to tempt fate, and I already know too much about perl, ruby, and python. < 1504828205 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't remember. I managed to deliberately forget most of the specific knowledge I acquired about perl 6. I'm happier not knowing now. < 1504828216 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that the scalars aren't the problem. < 1504828245 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only retained the general warning sign reasons so that I know why I shouldn't revisit it ever. < 1504828256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, to avoid the "how bad can it be" thing < 1504828308 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not easy to suppress stuff, which is why I have to completely avoid the language or else the suppressed memories might resurface < 1504828507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait. how can a modern library provide a portable thread abstraction and at the same time have structures with non-threadsafe reference counting. that makes no sense. < 1504828544 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic refcounts are not hard to implement these days, there are tons of other code you can copy from if you want the portability, and they're almost always just as fast as non-threadsafe refcounts if there's no contention of multiple threads accessing the same refcount close to the same time, with the unusual exception when there's page tear < 1504828570 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/page tear/cache line tear/ < 1504828587 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache line tear as in different threads accessing different parts of a cache line with at least one writing < 1504828619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even with cache line tear you don't lose much performance compared to non-threadsafe code < 1504828628 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't lose any, I'm not sure < 1504828639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that cache line tear already loses you performance, no matter what < 1504828658 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to avoid it, just like you avoid unaligned objects that pass through a cache line boundary < 1504828687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are simply technologically impossible to support efficiently, there's nothing to do but avoid them whenever performance matters < 1504828791 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time they're easy to avoid: just align all objects, and use a memory allocator that's reasonably threading aware. if you do that, then you usually have to do specifically stupid things as in disabling the safety that's already there to get misalignment, and typically have to do design that already has bad performance to get cache li < 1504828791 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ne tear < 1504828854 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504829105 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the rant, it's annoying. I should set up a blog where I put all the stupid rants I talk about all the time < 1504829445 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pholy fuck this code is so poisonous it causes the debugger itself to lock up < 1504829502 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504829628 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I can set a break point at line 180, and hit continue, and then gdb will output its prompt, and THEN the system locks up < 1504830086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can step through this part of the code, but not continue through it < 1504831221 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504831505 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504831821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504833277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504833355 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungo < 1504833356 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1504833362 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1504833362 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hey, t-rex, i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. ready... set... go! on to, but i don't like them, you have to be wacky to go on a walk! < 1504833363 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1504834254 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 quote fungot < 1504834255 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and that is good, but now each of them has met their maker. < 1504834256 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/42: please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 56) i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys) \ 57) ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used from famous program talisman with fnord windows to cascade, someone i would never capitalize " i" \ 80) < 1504834271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`randquote fungot < 1504834271 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, t-rex, i'm not sure i should do this" they'd say, and hey presto, you're a muslim! bears do it, but the more they'll find you < 1504834272 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :695) elliott_: how usable is borges in the real world < 1504834503 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504834746 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1504834746 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. everything is similar but different! everybody i know gets to write one chapter, and they don't do anything they might regret before they get married, and have children! the only career she wants to spend a friday as weekend, why not monday too? < 1504835871 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.17.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504836273 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504837731 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504838001 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504838347 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504838794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cubestate14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53053&oldid=53051 5* 03Raumaankidwai 5* (+61) 10 < 1504839686 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504839852 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.17.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504842542 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504842599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows SIGABRT smoking is lethal < 1504842943 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504843203 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504843677 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504843715 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504844806 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504847536 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504850698 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504851878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1504852501 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504854309 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1504856729 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504857005 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504857442 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504857841 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1504857940 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tcmnqfmipiqyitsf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504858871 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504859185 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504859261 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504859505 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504859543 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504860813 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504861872 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504863076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504864431 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504864848 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504866364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504867503 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504867988 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1504868422 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504868630 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1504868635 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504868653 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest48979 < 1504870107 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504870353 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504870781 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504870834 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504871794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53054&oldid=50433 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+51) 10 < 1504871861 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504872205 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1504872693 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504872711 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504874937 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504876942 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : `unidecode ▀▄ < 1504877010 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ▀▄ < 1504877011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2580 UPPER HALF BLOCK] [U+2584 LOWER HALF BLOCK] < 1504877019 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is middle half block? < 1504877037 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean middle block < 1504877068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I don't think there's one. these two are for drawing block graphics. < 1504877196 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i wanted to draw a line that's half as high as a normal line and i wanted it in the middle < 1504877257 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504877277 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: use graphics? < 1504877433 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i do that < 1504877468 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1504877620 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, graphics is sometimes good at drawing lines, although there are kinds of graphics that isn't, such as tile+sprite graphics < 1504877656 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1504877688 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really the same thing, but it's vertically centred and ~the right size < 1504877730 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I know, abusing Braille glyphs as monochrome bitmap-drawing chars… < 1504877810 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also ━━━━━━━━━ < 1504878041 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ━ < 1504878042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2501 BOX DRAWINGS HEAVY HORIZONTAL] < 1504878047 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1504878123 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't have much font support though < 1504878129 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much rarer than ▄ < 1504878147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ▄ is in cp437 and similar < 1504878167 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is one of ▀ or ▄ more commonly supported than the other? < 1504878195 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use ▀ when I want to draw blocky graphics in programs, so that fg = top pixel, bg = bottom pixel < 1504878242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, except that the commodore 64 video always has 128 normal displayable characters and 128 inverse images of those, so one of them is in the lower half and one in the upper half, but that shouldn't matter much. also on some displays one of them might be a pixel higher than the other. < 1504878256 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the character grid is an odd pixel height) < 1504878261 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1504878313 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all my fonts have had character grids of even height, heh (usually the height of capital letters is odd, though) < 1504878327 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the ones I've designed, not ones I've used < 1504878353 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also has at least two different charsets of 128 chars that you can toggle for the whole screen easily, but that doesn't matter) < 1504878378 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: have you seen https://hackaday.com/2016/12/15/character-generation-in-144-bytes/ btw? since you're interested in bitmap fonts and it's a kinda #esoteric thing wrt them < 1504878544 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cool idea to design a font that can be stored in a tiny space by re-using tiles between glyphs < 1504878608 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I haven't. I have written a DOS COM program that loads a 16x9 VGA font I drew, but it only bothers to load the 95 printable ASCII characters or so, plus the 18 accented Hungarian letters, < 1504878662 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1504878667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the table for ASCII font is stored raw in the COM file so that's like 95*16 bytes, but then the 18 accented ones have only the scanlines of the accents stored, and it generates them procedurally. < 1504878685 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I drew a bitmap font recently inspired by that hackaday post, I only bothered with uppercase, digits and a few punctuation characters < 1504878691 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even full printable-ASCII coverage < 1504878708 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's neat < 1504878711 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither the compression scheme nor the code isn't too optimized though, partly because it's already small enough, and partly because I didn't know better. < 1504878729 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "bothered with", well, that one isn't a particularly good font. < 1504878755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fecupboard20, the 10x20 font that I made later, is much better < 1504878757 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of how ^~`'", in ASCII acted as diacritics too, via overstriking < 1504878768 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have a copy of fecupboard20 somewhere < 1504878771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: only for printers. that isn't possible on video terminals. < 1504878778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's in `? fonts < 1504878790 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504878821 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a page collecting my bitmap fonts… and provide them in more useful formats < 1504878904 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://twitter.com/FireyFly/status/899965577481129984 this was what I ended up with when I designed a font with the "re-use tiles" constraint from the hackaday post btw (it's bad as a programming font since 0=O, 1=I, 5=S, but intended for demo-y contexts where size matters) < 1504878925 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that would be nice < 1504878972 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, currently my fonts are only provided in… ummm… my own "bitmap font format", which is really just a convenient way for me to edit it as a png < 1504878978 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: nice < 1504879087 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't know how that compares to a COM file, but then for the two fonts I put in a COM file I later also extracted to headerless raw VGA font format < 1504879095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can load them on Linux console too < 1504879128 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1504879144 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly just like designing fonts with harsh constraints placed on the design < 1504879151 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like very harsh size constrains, for instance < 1504879203 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this is the 9x16 VGA font in the smaller COM file: http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/stickfont-screenshot0.png < 1504879228 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1504879232 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504879249 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is sort of constrained to have only hollow lines, < 1504879249 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would fill in the vertical lines rather than backboard-bold it < 1504879254 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1504879264 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that would look better. this one isn't really a readable text font < 1504879275 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, more presentational? < 1504879279 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather a fancy heading font, which I know makes no sense in VGA text mode < 1504879286 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really have a good purpose < 1504879292 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to < 1504879300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just something I made back when I had lots of time for stupid experiments but less experience < 1504879331 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the * character look s particularly ugly, I tried to redraw it several times but couldn't get anything reasonable < 1504879377 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new lowercase for a 8×4px-tile font (7×3px size for capital letters), making the lowercase one pixel smaller, but more consistent in size across letters < 1504879397 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2017-09-08_141818.png < 1504879401 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tiled font you made looks quite nice though < 1504879419 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty content with it < 1504879436 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it'd look okay in a game (I had this js13kgames competition in mind when I made it) < 1504879487 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other font I made was actually usable as a terminal font. it was fecupboard18, which only ever had 256 characters of coverage, and I never distributed it because of copyright reasons: < 1504879512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made most of it by combining characters from three or four existing 16x9 VGA terminal fonts, picking whichever I liked the best, < 1504879519 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edited only a few characters specifically < 1504879560 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecupboard20 started as a sort of successor, but completely copyright laundered, but it grew to have a rather different visual style, and much more character coverage eventually < 1504879563 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1504879607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecupboard20 also originally had only 256 characters (and a lot of them were just copies of other characters), and even now the ASCII part is way more mature than the little non-ASCII coverage it has < 1504879619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still both has too few characters, and some of the non-ASCII stuff is REALLY ugly < 1504879623 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my fonts cover only printable ASCII + assorted glyphs that I found interesting to draw < 1504879633 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole greek letters part should be thrown out and redone from scratch for example < 1504879657 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only oneof my fonts cover greek < 1504879660 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :covers* < 1504879664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fecupboard20 covers printable ASCII plus assorted glyphs that I found interesting to *display* < 1504879670 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a terminal that is < 1504879685 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's probably more useful :P < 1504879687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this doesn't cover greek, it only has the basic greek alphabet intended for simple mathematical formulas < 1504879731 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely unsuitable for greek text < 1504879762 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to add language coverage, I'd add more latin letters and russian before I even tried to draw greek < 1504879790 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both because greek is less useful, I rarely try to read or write greek text, I only use greek letters for maths formulas, < 1504879808 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because greek is slightly harder to draw if you want it actually nice-looking < 1504879816 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, honestly I don't know if my greek is good for greek text < 1504879825 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that cyrillic is easy to draw either < 1504879833 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/7x5px-font.png < 1504879846 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the height is probably awfully off for my greek lowercase here < 1504879853 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, awfully inconsistent < 1504879857 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously supporting greek text is nice and possible, but not in a font that only covers like 2000 characters < 1504879888 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/9x5px-font.png oh I guess this one has greek too < 1504879889 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow, that actually has greek letters! < 1504879904 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think you made it up on the fly as I mentioned it, that would be too fast, you probably already had it < 1504879907 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper and lowercase < 1504879922 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, these are old fonts < 1504879968 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :9x5px has the same x-height as 9x5px, so a lot of the glyphs are shared between them < 1504879977 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just more space for ascenders/descenders < 1504879978 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually looks like acceptable greek letter glyphs to me too < 1504879990 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2px for each rather than 1px for each (1px ascender/descender is really tiny :P) < 1504880003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"9x5px has the same x-height as 9x5px," huh? < 1504880012 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between those two? < 1504880016 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, as 7x5px < 1504880020 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad < 1504880052 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes. 8x16 and 9x16 would share like a third of the characters too, but I never really tried to make a 8x16 font. < 1504880068 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 7x5px-font.png has 5px x-height, 1px for asc/desc (thus, 7px space reserved for letters), the 9x5px-font.png has 5px x-height and 2px for asc/desc < 1504880079 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there didn't seem a point, with vertical screen estate always more precious than horizontal screen estate < 1504880098 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it depends < 1504880156 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I like having terminals open side-by-side, but would still want 80-90 chars' width < 1504880172 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if, say, having files open in vim or so < 1504880229 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: there are also 5+x7+ and 5+x8+ and x8+ fonts with no space allocated for descenders and 5 pixel x height, where the + means it's shown on displays with gap between the fixed character cells, and the x8+ is variable width shown on single-line pixel displays on information boards < 1504880284 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1504880339 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tiniest fonts (3px and 4px high) are variable-width out of necessity… (also, are really uppercase-only/don't cover full printable-ASCII) < 1504880345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on modern large TFTs, you now get to do that with 9px width, even if we didn't on older 1024px wide TFT and good CRT monitors < 1504880359 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 4px-high font *has* a lowercase but it's awful and I know it's awful < 1504880363 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't actually use ti < 1504880364 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1504880382 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some worse CRT monitors, 1024px wide had too many rows and wouldn't display nicely, and video cards didn't have enough memory for high color depth at 1024x width) < 1504880408 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1504880449 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was back when the choice between 4, 8, 16, 24 bits of color depth was a real problem, and lots of software had to have extra code for supporting reasonable graphics at lower color depths < 1504880472 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/4px-font.png ← there are some horribly awful glyphs here (# & { } come to mind) < 1504880502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days the difficulty is the opposite: lots of software don't yet have enough support for more than 8 bit per channel color depth, but more and more applications have real need for such high color depth per channel < 1504880523 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't only for display, but also for graphics editing without displaying the high color depth < 1504880529 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1504880572 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit unfortunate that we have kind of settled on 8 bits per channel as defacto standard < 1504880582 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I have tried to draw some tiny fonts, but they never really worked so I don't have anything actually finished, and even those had a pixel for ascender < 1504880585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1504880587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pixel for descender < 1504880631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at those small sizes you're best at trying to draw a font that has letter shapes rather different from traditional printed ones, readable only after practice < 1504880646 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some crazy people do that even for larger sizes < 1504880657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a type of crazyness that isn't too far from me < 1504880688 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even fecupboard20 has characters that are deliberately uglier for easier proofreading, because it's a terminal font, not a typographic font < 1504880713 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really dislike… inconsistencies like having lowercase letters at uppercase size (so x-height = full height) or using lowercase n as uppercase, but I think when working with extreme constraints it can be okay < 1504880731 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have more restraints in going against the typographical traditions than to do something much more radical than that < 1504880738 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, "sufficiently distinct glyphs" is certainly a fine thing to keep in mind when designing a font < 1504880754 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of some of the fonts designed specifically for signage < 1504880764 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sure, but still there's a difference between one intended for proofreading and one intended for easy reading < 1504880776 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"signage"? what does that mean? < 1504880806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that when you try to make printed text that's hard to modify (for either forging or defacing) by drawing some extra lines in pen < 1504880813 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for traffic signs and such < 1504880814 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1504880819 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, traffic signs < 1504880842 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or car plates, where having distinct glyphs for different characters/digits is important < 1504880854 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just normal readable fonts that try to be readable from faraway in bad vision conditions, rather than from close like books? you do sans serif with thick lines for that, but still make it nice looking < 1504880876 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, yes, but e.g. I recall some font where the Q had some quirks to make it more distinct from an O < 1504880889 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to think about car reg plates, because different countries use SO VERY different style fonts that I can't really imagine why < 1504880896 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504880910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not just because of a difference in the set of characters used < 1504880918 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like intentionally exaggerating the space surrounding tail of the Q to make it extra clear at a distance < 1504880934 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tail being separated with paddingn from the circle) < 1504880940 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I'm not describing this well :p < 1504880943 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that can explain a few changes, like some countries have Ö and Ä in license plates < 1504880986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: meh, they do that with the Q even in some print fonts. it makes sense because it's a capital letter in text that's not all-caps. < 1504881007 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reg plates are all uppercase, and road signs have some all-caps text < 1504881020 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, sure < 1504881099 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is one of those letters that's rare enough in most text that fonts designers use it to try to make their font different from others. the other such character is & < 1504881145 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up with a somewhat Quake-like Q in that tile-based font :p with the tail being vertically centred and vertical < 1504881158 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mainly for tile re-use purposes though < 1504881162 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a text says "Q&A", that's a great help for identifying an unknown font. < 1504881170 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, yes < 1504881177 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I should put "Q&A" in font specimens < 1504881180 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ampersands are tricky to draw < 1504881189 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504881193 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never liked mine much < 1504881255 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight vertical tail in Q is fine, you can just say it's a long tradition going back to the phoenician alphabet. font designers always respect tradition. < 1504881268 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, any style of Q is fine, and any style of & too, that's the whole point < 1504881455 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504881595 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1504881605 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, ideally the style is somewhat consistent across glyphs < 1504881668 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: re. fecupboard18, I recall reading that in the US bitmap fonts specifically aren't copyrightable because glyphs are small and so it's hard to claim originality/several people can draw the same glyph < 1504881690 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bit interesting (and I think I disagree with it, but partially agree… blah, it's a tricky area) < 1504881734 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like at some point if you approach extremely tiny sizes, it's inevitable that the same glyphs get drawn the same way independently < 1504881754 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's possible that they aren't copyrightable, I'm not sure, but since it's not a particularly good font, nor one unique enough that someone would need that one in particular rather than any of the plethora of already available x16 video fonts (many of them clearly free of copyright), I didn't want to decide. < 1504881777 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone wants to take a look at it without distributing it, I can give it to them personally, but I don't think it's valuable enough. < 1504881799 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a combination from multiple similar fonts according to whatever I liked at that time. I don't even like it much anymore. < 1504881824 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fecupboard20 is different, some people apart from me actually seem to like it < 1504881837 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's much fewer choice in decent x20 bitmap fonts < 1504881871 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't just combine it from existing fonts with small modifications, because I didn't know of any good enough fonts similar to it < 1504881878 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I draw it from scratch < 1504881895 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I did take some inspiration of all sorts of existing fonts, but you have to do that to make your own art < 1504882024 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yeah < 1504882037 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an interesting thing, the copyrightability of bitmap fonts < 1504882072 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think individual glyphs are very likely to get reinvented a lot, but I think the value of a font (at least smallish bitmap fonts) is in consistency and style < 1504882095 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other such traits, things that cover the collection of glyphs as a whole more than an individual glyph < 1504882132 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I am writing a perl one-liner, and I just got an error from perl that isn't a fatal error and whose meaning I can't guess from the code < 1504882136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hasn't happened for many years < 1504882145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fatal error/internal error/ < 1504882176 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to check the documentation < 1504882210 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504882219 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1504882243 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a warning, not an error, despite not clearly saying "warning", and the doc doesn't give a clear explanation < 1504882246 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1504882275 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I get it! < 1504882283 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1504882391 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504882420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I should write a doc patch for this, but I'm lazy < 1504882477 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504882889 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504883013 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504883512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q has so many fancy shapes that you could probably draw one that looks like a B or D or S or G at a glance and then deliberately try to confuse people with misreadable words like Quality, Quit, Quite, PLAQUE, Quest, Quilt. < 1504884002 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1504884146 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Qu ligatures can also look very nice, although bitmap fonts aren't really ligature-friendly :p < 1504884188 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : FireFly: only for printers. that isn't possible on video terminals. ← I learned recently about this: https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/905772498796646400 ! < 1504884303 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: was that one that used the type of CRT that traces graphics only once with no continuous rescans and the phosphor keeps remaining lit? < 1504884307 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504884351 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1504884351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even used CRTs like that as memory, back before DRAMS when people tried all sorts of crazy constructions to get large efficient RAMs < 1504884376 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.platopeople.com/emoticons.html has more examples too < 1504884423 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as rotating magnetic disks, rotating magnetic disks with a separate head for each sector (this was actually common, I'm not making it up), mercury delay lines, core memory, that crt thing, < 1504884435 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably even more that I simply never heard about < 1504884594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also SRAM and shift registers made of transistors, which were not that crazy, but were hard to use before transistors were invented < 1504884607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tube or relay variant would have been too bulky < 1504884653 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the DRAM is of course BOTH crazy and requires large integrated circuits < 1504884681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out for large enough memory it could be made smaller than SRAM, so it won out < 1504885021 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504885528 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DDF4.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504885857 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504886225 0 :Guest48979!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504886426 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1504886450 0 :Bowserinator!?@? 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1504891835 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504892192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504892921 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504893852 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504894095 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504895137 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504895431 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504895589 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1504895641 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504896677 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504897052 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504897093 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504897505 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: :> < 1504897753 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504898560 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504898589 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etufwlzhgoslezxn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504898825 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504899157 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8934:a53:cc3c:f1da QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504899815 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504899975 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504900230 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504900324 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504900354 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1504900574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fixed the bugs in MIXPC with LD1N and so on, and now also it keeps track of how many cards have been read/punched so far < 1504900842 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1504900941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the truth-machine program is working. < 1504901415 0 :Guest65869!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1504901422 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1504901422 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1504902412 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, :D < 1504902586 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504903309 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504903747 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504904858 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1504904996 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1504905401 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. coffee crisp and caramilk don't exist outside canada? < 1504905405 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what fucking universe is that acceptable < 1504905670 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cream soda isn't pink in america? what color is it then < 1504905755 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504905785 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504905967 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but foods are better in Canada; I have been in other places and the food is not as good, so I will stay here in Canada. < 1504906260 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504906385 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504906612 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504906718 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DDF4.versanet.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504906861 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD5A.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504906956 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86DDAE.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504907138 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504907185 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD5A.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504907597 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Clear or golden brown, typically. < 1504907823 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504908206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then how do u tell the difference between it and 7up or gingerale? < 1504908223 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably by the label I would think? < 1504908472 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504908665 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504908953 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1504909449 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can the critical path method be worked when some activities might not require all of their dependencies but rather five of nine or one of two or whatever? < 1504909588 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also assume that the minimal set of activities needed to start the goal activity will be done rather than necessarily all of them; if the project needs some other activities, they will be made dependencies of the goal in the normal way (where all dependencies are required rather than only some).) < 1504910098 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504911310 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86DDAE.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504911368 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504911422 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504912049 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504913492 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504913712 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504913981 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504914655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I never watched star trek so I won't be sad when they ruin it < 1504915169 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504915820 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing about this variation of critical path method that I mention is that the graph will not necessary be acyclic (cycles can't be used with the normal critical path method, but in this case there is the possibility). < 1504916063 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1504916068 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504916387 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504916563 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1504917128 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504917724 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 QUIT :Quit: See Ya. < 1504918935 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:38:41e4:3dfe:291e JOIN :#esoteric < 1504919322 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-211-124.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504919417 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504919455 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-098-003.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1504919459 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1504920485 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont understand. Can someone explain this madness? http://i.imgur.com/deoP869.png ( from http://blog.piston.rs/2017/09/08/what-is-happening-5/ )' < 1504920962 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504922170 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1504923234 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1504923639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504923683 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I don't know, but foods are better in Canada; I have been in other places and the food is not as good, so I will stay here in Canada." => have you been to Hungary or anywhere in the Balcan? < 1504923713 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food is great here, and cheap too. < 1504923719 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not, as far as I can remember. < 1504925322 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.218 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504925833 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-211-124.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504926076 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1504926256 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1504927718 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsbxkdyplqzdwpim JOIN :#esoteric < 1504928143 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504928586 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504928852 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504931618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TheSingularity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53055&oldid=52814 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+2657) 10Clarification + 99BOB example < 1504931874 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504932122 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504932710 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504934370 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504935109 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504935164 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.54.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504935257 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.206.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1504935359 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504935595 0 :SigmundYx_!~quassel@197.1.54.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504936268 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1504936432 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504936687 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504936869 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504937008 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504937167 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504937223 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1504939267 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504939531 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504939627 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1504941589 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504941861 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504942297 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504942503 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1504943261 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504943491 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504943507 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504944889 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504944901 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504945145 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504945263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1504945523 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1504946694 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504946718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Noid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53056&oldid=53045 5* 03Zayne 5* (+40) 10/* Implementation */ < 1504946736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Noid/decompile14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53057 5* 03Zayne 5* (+965) 10Created page with " import os s = open(input("Run Script: "), 'r').read() s = s.replace('a', '.') s = s.replace('b', '!') s = s.replace('c', '?') s = s.replace..." < 1504949686 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504951215 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504952286 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1504954325 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsbxkdyplqzdwpim QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1504955040 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504958033 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why does lambdabot @hoogle give worse matches than web Hoogle? < 1504958037 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Look at this thing: < 1504958039 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Monad m => [m a] -> m [a] < 1504958040 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Run mswitch :: (Monad m, MonadUnTrans MaybeAlg t) => [t m b] -> m b -> m b < 1504958040 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Run mswitch0 :: (Monad m, MonadUnTrans MaybeAlg t) => [t m b] -> m b -> m b < 1504958040 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Run mswitch1 :: (Monad m, MonadUnTrans MaybeAlg t) => [t m b] -> m b -> m b < 1504958062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/hoogle/?hoogle=Monad+m+%3D%3E+%5Bm+a%5D+-%3E+m+%5Ba%5D has sequence right at the top. < 1504959302 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504959641 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504959665 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest26272 < 1504960184 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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NICK :Bowserinator < 1504969240 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1504969240 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1504969622 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1504970393 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504971151 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504971168 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504971277 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504972034 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504973172 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504973432 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1504973820 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1097: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1504981913 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504982021 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CC55.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504982124 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504982182 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504982254 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504983854 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504984034 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CC55.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1504984807 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53058&oldid=53043 5* 03Zseri 5* (-23) 10fix typos < 1504985287 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1504985455 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN 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:#esoteric < 1504989838 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SirScrooble 5* 10New user account < 1504989846 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504989915 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504990081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53059&oldid=53046 5* 03SirScrooble 5* (+264) 10 < 1504990138 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53060&oldid=52395 5* 03SirScrooble 5* (-2) 10/* Removed incorrect apostrophe. */ < 1504991568 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504991677 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504991690 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504992882 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504993675 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504993795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504993905 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504994792 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Monad m, Traversable t) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1504994792 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude sequence :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1504994792 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad sequence :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1504994792 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable sequence :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1504994859 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's some part of the answer, but I don't really know what the differences between the haskell.org hoogle and the command line hoogle are. < 1504994889 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Prelude.sequence < 1504994889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude sequence :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1504994890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pipes.Prelude sequence :: Monad m => Pipe (m a) a m r < 1504994890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streaming.Prelude sequence :: Monad m => Stream (Of (m a)) m r -> Stream (Of a) m r < 1504994975 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: note that the online hoogle does give the list type for Prelude.sequence, so maybe that's actually the full answer; the databases are different. < 1504995112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my setup of the hoogle command just uses 'hoogle generate', there may be room for tweaks. < 1504995659 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504995719 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CC55.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1504995754 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504995855 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504996233 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There were some other "obvious" queries I did mostly just to verify which also didn't return the "expected" results. < 1504996244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1504996245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List nubBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1504996245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.OldList nubBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1504996245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distribution.Compat.Prelude.Internal nubBy :: () => (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] < 1504996267 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the interwebs, forM_ :: Monad m => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m () comes first. < 1504996296 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle forM_ < 1504996297 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad forM_ :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => t a -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1504996297 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable forM_ :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => t a -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1504996297 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Vector forM_ :: Monad m => Vector a -> (a -> m b) -> m () < 1504996322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might be that -- your thing has the Foldable t instead of []. < 1504996332 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by all appearances, the online version isn't encumberred by the burning bridges proposal < 1504996376 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoogle has no hack to restore the behavior, I wonder whether it has a bug report < 1504996769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments on a blog post: "What bother me most is the potential impact of such a change on tools like Hoogle or Hayoo! Will a search on the (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] type still be able to find mapM ?" < 1504996951 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at this point in time, the answer is no. < 1504996983 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1504996985 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the full list of tresults, of which there are 325 < 1504997015 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the hoogle on lambdabot's VM) < 1504997037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the height of the printer of MIX expected to be? < 1504997206 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504997218 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on sheet paper or leporello? < 1504997242 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Heh, looks like the http://hoogle.haskell.org/ version works the same way as your bot. < 1504997281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What does "leporello" mean? < 1504997288 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504997296 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Client Quit < 1504997368 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504997468 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: long continuous stack of sheets folded in fan stack, the printer can see it as an almost infinite height paper, not feeding individual pages, around 70 g/m^2 density, with series of holes on the side so the printer can drive it more easily with a cogged rubber band on either side, but has perforations so humans can tear off the hole strip fr < 1504997468 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :om the sides and separate to A4 size pages < 1504997495 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was used in dot matrix (and presumably daisy head) printers for printing bills cheaply in businesses that need that < 1504997574 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also double layer carbon paper version of it for printing two copies of everything, also useful for bills < 1504997634 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful because it allows more stable feed than individual sheets < 1504997653 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know of such paper and have used it on dot matrix printers before, although MIX can command the printer to eject a page to start on the next page. < 1504997668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think printers can still do that with leporello < 1504997685 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful for printing bills, because you want to tear at perforations between pages < 1504997702 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MIXPC just emits a ASCII form feed character when it is commanded.) < 1504997762 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't the continuous paper need holes to feed the paper? So you will need a printer that feeds with such holes < 1504997927 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I think it's more like the holes make the feed more stable, especially for thin paper, but the whole point of a paper roll or leporello is less maintenance during printing, so both leporello and holes together helps < 1504997963 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1504997972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not really srue < 1504998000 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a fun weekend and second half of the week < 1504998075 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504998106 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504998114 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 QUIT :Client Quit < 1504998159 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1504998179 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1504998233 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I expect around 60 to 70 lines per page < 1504998239 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a leporello < 1504998252 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 70 on a leporello, 50 on sheet paper < 1504998349 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since this is a 1960s computer, leporello would be the defalut < 1504998437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1504998501 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a MIX computer can be connected to various IO devices, and they can have different line length < 1504998512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different paper height < 1504998514 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1504998580 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as long as it does not exceed the limit it is OK. (Sometimes the number of lines printed may depend on user input, in which case the user input (possibly taken from a card) may specify the maximum number of lines per page. But I suppose due to what you mention, using 70 as the default (or maybe even a bit less than 70) can be reasonable.) < 1504998619 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504998627 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIX anyways only cares about the width and not the height of various devices; the height may vary, but still is good to know a reasonable default value that can be assumed if not otherwise specified. < 1504998732 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1504998881 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504999093 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1504999505 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504999769 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.183 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1504999831 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1504999986 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505000117 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505000812 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505001362 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505002081 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505002350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505002621 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505003053 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505003271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505003281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505003407 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505004199 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505004497 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505006135 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505006222 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505009725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505011574 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505011907 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505012213 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505012466 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505013517 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505013961 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505014279 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Oh noes I ded < 1505014826 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think punching only the top position is a ampersand, and the MIX character set does not have a ampersand, which makes it difficult to use with MIX if you are using a single hole in one column to represent a month. Specifying amount of money in pence will still be possible though since it only goes from 0 to 11. < 1505014846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, wait, I am wrong.) < 1505014855 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, it uses top position to mean 10 instead of 12) < 1505016515 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017170 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505017284 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017500 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017560 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505018135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505018825 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505019439 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505020377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the "spider and fly" puzzle involving the shorest distance along the faces of a cube. How to do with the cells of a tesseract? < 1505020587 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505020879 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505023441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505023803 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505023867 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505024143 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505024409 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozvpamuzlcjgirbv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1505025023 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505025555 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org seems down again. < 1505025768 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505025830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah HackEgo croaked too < 1505025859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you'll have to steer the ship alone now < 1505025859 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the t-rex chases, of all places, t-rex, but t-rex explained how the bank that only i was a mutant with a fully-formed extra hand growing out of the base of my spine! if i had an " e", an " x", and so on, to infinity people in it showed a ghostly words written on a slip of paper! < 1505025935 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505026609 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505027115 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027267 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027362 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505027377 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505027387 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027559 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505027898 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505028649 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505029163 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably stop using the heaviside step function as a response curve. < 1505030185 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505030363 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505030611 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505030766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505030905 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505031178 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505032081 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505032136 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505032317 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the response curve of what? < 1505032416 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like Edwards curves? < 1505032485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is Edwards curves? < 1505032701 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505033681 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1505033849 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A type of elliptic curve. < 1505033853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like elliptic curves? < 1505034210 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /ignore -channels #esoteric -pattern 'Do you like' ) < 1505034287 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505034400 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, is that a roundabout way of asking whether we like djb? < 1505034426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1505034451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's certainly overrepresented in what I've read about elliptic curve cryptography, which isn't much. < 1505034472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But his arguments for Edwards curves seem reasonable. Are there other arguments I should know about? < 1505034580 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I thought the arguments he made were persuasive, too. < 1505034878 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505035185 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505035663 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505036403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I did like https://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html < 1505036672 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1505036678 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone used autolisp? < 1505037595 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :From AutoCAD? Not I. < 1505037606 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1505037658 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038341 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505038444 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038539 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038583 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505038802 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505038976 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've just ordered Hardy and Wright's An Introduction to the Theory of Numbers because apparently I like spending money on textbooks now that I've graduated < 1505039342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505039536 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :addicted to learning :P < 1505040178 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much :D < 1505040212 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It totally isn't because one of my friends is catching me up on Project Euler < 1505040478 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1505040537 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time for me to unoxford < 1505040546 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm home already < 1505040549 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good trip < 1505040552 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1505040558 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meeting a friend for lunch in London < 1505040619 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm: it seems unlikely that I'll catch up on PE, ever. Now missing almost 370 problems) < 1505041039 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may have forgotten my password as well, yay < 1505042018 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505042815 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505044281 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505045062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505045093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I just got the most horrible troll of an idea for an esolang < 1505045108 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to implement this < 1505045339 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( brainfuck with all commands represented by the same symbol, chosen at random during runtime? ) < 1505045592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no. this is one about that parody I want to make about a newbie esolanger trying to make a language and an interpreter < 1505046051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I was trying to think of how to write an interpreter that differs from the specification in an interesting way that is also realistic from a newbie. The interpreter can't just be completely useless or missing most of the language, because while that's realistic, it's not interesting. But the differences also have to cripple the language, < 1505046052 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard to make realistic. < 1505046073 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I realized exactly how I could do this. This is tricky to write, but it will be worth. < 1505046085 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an underhanded esolang < 1505046093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1505046217 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :liars. "We use cookies so that Dropbox works for you." < 1505046233 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to look like a stupid esolang from the specs, and has to be a completely differently stupid esolang if you actually try to run the interpreter < 1505046309 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Of course you could also try the opposite, a non-TC esolang that due to a programming error becomes a TC strange machine (ideally in a machine independent way; otherwise you'd just need a buffer overflow or other vulnerability somewhere) < 1505046323 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1505046370 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the implemented esolang might still be TC, it will just be restricted way more than the specs intends to restrict it < 1505046387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's much less convenient to program it than it seems from the spec and the examples < 1505046481 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505047139 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I could even make it work on windows only, as a bonus < 1505047154 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or work differently on windows and linux < 1505047169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwhahahahah < 1505047638 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505047967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplatform differences would make testing a bit trickier for me, I might have to ask help from other people. < 1505048388 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also make the interpreter horribly inefficient for real computations, and get away with it because today's computers are fast enough that I can run toy examples quickly < 1505048412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean so inefficient that I will scream inside as I read my own source code < 1505048430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think that bothers most people much less < 1505048524 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I'll have to put the code on github < 1505048531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what a newbie would do < 1505048539 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can put jokes in the version control history too < 1505049001 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you could unroll a loop too, to improve efficiency ) < 1505049434 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea how github works, but hopefully I'll figure it out < 1505049458 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using github is something a newbie would do, right? they teach that in schools these days or something < 1505049475 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best practices version control and github is the most popular version control system or something < 1505049489 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505049499 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is a VCS, github is just a place that hosts repositories < 1505049505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, or perhaps bitbucket < 1505049525 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit annoying it's become defacto standard < 1505049527 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your homework on github so all the other students in the class can copy it easily < 1505049529 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though gitlab exists I guess < 1505049564 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try that in fact, making the language an obvious fork from another student's homework < 1505049599 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you may be reaching the point where you're trying to do too many things at once ) < 1505049603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the name in a comment at top changed < 1505049608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1505049617 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably works better if it's not a homework actually < 1505049656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the teacher would hopefully at least teach something useful about interpreters and maybe look at the students' code and give them advice or something (yeah, I know it doesn't always work like that) < 1505049663 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hobby project by a single person is better < 1505049691 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's homework, they wouldn't come to esolangs.org and talk about anyway < 1505049698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's copied homework that is < 1505049720 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will use github, but in a home way < 1505050141 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505050687 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505050750 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505051618 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505052017 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505052048 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505052796 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:38:41e4:3dfe:291e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505052988 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8007:e6a6:3e2d:98d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505053857 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505054101 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwnlcsbwsgecuhby JOIN :#esoteric < 1505054305 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505056632 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505057184 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505060970 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505062054 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505062158 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505062566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505062575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505063516 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1505063528 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1505063567 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've started to figure out how I can do the interpreter part of this esolang parody thing < 1505063602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had trouble with it because I didn't have any memories of trying to write a bad parser before I knew how to write at least a working parser < 1505063616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think now I successfully got in the mindset, and know some core ideas, < 1505063637 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll be able to write a parser that hurts when you read the source code, < 1505063665 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more importantly, I know how to write a parser that results in a language that is interstingly more broken than the specified language but not so broken that it's boring < 1505063672 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505063708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might still need some feedback from some of you later < 1505063764 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505065615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What programming language are you going to use to implement the card game that you have invented? < 1505065667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure if I'm going to implement it at all < 1505065690 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right, I guess this is one of the things you have to see before you can give feedback on it < 1505065731 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I would try to implement it some day then; I don't know. And then you can complain in case I have done it wrong. < 1505065782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the breakthrough was when I realized I could simply match parenthisized subexpressions with /\((.*)\)/, to support nested parenthesis < 1505065816 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that made me see how I can make the rest of the parser ad-hoc and work only for specific example programs, without handling syntax errors gracefully < 1505065830 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just syntax errors, but things like unusual whitespace < 1505065848 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imaginary person simply didn't try most of the deliberate syntax errors that a person rarely commits < 1505065894 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, parsing with regex < 1505065907 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505065967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he would handle finding a statement keyword that doesn't exist yet, but not a missing expression after a comma in an argument list or something < 1505065983 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have to be careful with regex, because a newbie might not know of them at all < 1505066019 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're programming perl or something, and I don't just want to write the program in perl, because then I'd be too prone to write the perl I wrote when I was young < 1505066046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I hope I can get away with naive uses of simple regexen < 1505066162 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're not that unknown these days unless I make the character program DOS Turbo Pascal < 1505066220 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I should probably use Java or C# or something, but I'm not ready for that < 1505066316 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I might still try. I can probably learn as much Java as the character < 1505066328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to find some old and bad enough Java tutorial < 1505066401 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java supports PCRE-style regexes, perhaps surprisingly < 1505066406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it surprised me < 1505066439 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main criteria for the regex here is that the dot should automatically match newlines < 1505066730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't in most regex syntaxes < 1505066734 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I already had matlab as a candidate, because it already allows for (1) doing unnecessary file IO in the interpreter to look which source files exist and also having code that could break in interesting ways when you run it on a case-sensitive fs, < 1505066787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used [^] to match any character including newlines < 1505066808 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) easily lets the program call matlab functions, which makes the interpreter easier to implement and have the newbie-esoteric trait that it doesn't have arithmetic operator syntax and you have to call matlab's minus and times functions, which easily brings in the parenthesis limitation < 1505066817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that won't work in all regex syntaxes, some of them parse the ] as a literal closing square bracket, not as the end of the character class < 1505066828 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that doesn't work in posix regex, only in perl regex < 1505066837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not even in perl regex, I don't remember < 1505066841 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: IIRC it doesn't work in perl regex either < 1505066846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a syntax where it works, though < 1505066851 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, [^] works in JavaScript at least. < 1505066853 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the octave regex has dot matching newlines by default < 1505066862 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My implementation of /// in JavaScript does this) < 1505066891 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab is also realistic as a language a student learns in a university class, < 1505066938 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/slashes.js < 1505066939 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a reasonable enough syntax that the character could base his syntax on it and because of the builtin function thing, accidentally give .m as the extension for one of his supposed functions written in the program, although I'm not yet sure that works out < 1505066962 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't do that, I'll probably make the syntax too different for that < 1505066990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, wiki is down. As usual, no answer over SSH so... wait and see, I guess. < 1505067038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I no longer thing I'll call the character User:Fungot, because sadly there's a mainspace Fungot article which would make people find that before User:Fungot < 1505067127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an email alert, but of course I didn't notice until now. Should probably have it do something more visible, but OTOH so far there's never really been anything I could do about it. < 1505068439 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505068719 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505069907 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1505071943 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505073422 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has the Wiki crashed so frequently lately? < 1505073427 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505073435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1505073465 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1505074015 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074622 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of it's hosting provider, I'm pretty sure. < 1505074788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'// < 1505074924 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074964 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074994 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505075002 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1505075144 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505075159 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505075325 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.159.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505076665 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1505077500 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS has 100 core spells, which is too much to be selecting at random by use of a deck of cards, even if tarot cards are in use. Even if the Enchantment spells and Recover Energy are omitted, there is still too much. < 1505077574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enchantment spells are used to permanently enchant magical items and work differently than other spells, while Recover Energy cannot be cast at all.) < 1505077613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot be cast at all? you can only splice it? < 1505077729 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no (although I like that idea too, but none of the core spells can be spliced). Simply having it at a high enough skill level allows FP spent on energy costs of spells to be recovered faster by a mage who knows the spell. < 1505077951 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it'd be a good idea if it could be spliced, it's hard to balance that thing. < 1505077967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that depends on the rest of the mechanics and stuff < 1505078049 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought you meant that you want a random choice of spell for misfiring a wand that a non-caster is trying to zap, in which case recover energy would make no sense < 1505078193 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505078658 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :nnuMTA < 1505078673 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505079011 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505079048 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: admin of esolangs.org (according to whois) is Alan Dipert. Domain Registrar: godaddy; server location: Canada; Nameserver domains@: zem.fi , rollernet.us < 1505079161 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISP = KW Datacenter < 1505079234 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a wand with a random effect, even if it is not misfired, but still it has to be a spell that can be cast. (Splicing also won't be used in this case, presumably, though.) < 1505079259 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505079326 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: That WHOIS info isn't quite right, possibly because I have WHOIS privacy turned on for the domain. < 1505079429 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1505079500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's hosted (with HackEgo) on a cloudatcost.com "one time fee" VPS, of which stories have been told. < 1505079533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.trustpilot.com/review/cloudatcost.com < 1505079759 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just gave it a kick on the panel. < 1505079780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505079783 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have anywhere to move it to, I'd recommend moving it X-D < 1505079794 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaC seems to have gone from bad to worse. < 1505079903 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just stop using/talking about c@c at all? < 1505079943 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but why is it then nevertheless hosted there? < 1505080272 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505080959 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1505080967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1505080978 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :up again < 1505082433 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505082659 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8007:e6a6:3e2d:98d0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505082754 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505083030 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ad6c:2bfb:bd7f:e91c JOIN :#esoteric < 1505083186 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thanks. I looked at Google Cloud Platform (we at least used to get some free credit for it), but it can be used only "for business" in the EU. Maybe after Brexit. < 1505083190 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm too stingy to pay specifically for it more than the yearly domain renewal.) < 1505083781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few very cheap offerings around, though -- should maybe seriously consider those. They might not be great, but it's not a high bar to be better than the status quo. < 1505084487 0 :nnuMTA!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505084515 0 :nnuMTA!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505085409 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505085424 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505085597 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.159.148 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505085661 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505085863 0 :nnuMTA!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1505087789 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505088002 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1505088018 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505088595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505088856 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505090188 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505090808 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505090820 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505091026 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505091060 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505093759 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505093954 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505094092 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505094351 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505095196 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505095473 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505095575 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1505097031 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505097140 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1505097903 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53061&oldid=52781 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+158) 10formatted page better < 1505098652 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505098869 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505098920 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505099344 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@24.216.12.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505099732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I partially am making up the calendar printing program for MIX. It needs a data deck with at first the starter card (specifying the year and cell height), and then zero or more date cards, and then a blank card at the end. The same data deck can be used every year except that the starter card will need to be replaced with a fresh one. < 1505099786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, the starter card has many unused character positions, so we could use them to allow the same starter card to be used for several years, if you can punch an additional hole into one of the unused columns every year until it is full. < 1505099935 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also using a disk, with one record per week, for temporary storage, since the RAM is not enough. < 1505100207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1505100690 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505100965 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505100995 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505101623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WCDA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53062 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+3852) 10Created page for WCDA, the ultimate golfing language < 1505101870 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WCDA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53063&oldid=53062 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+4) 10minor - added link to Hello, World! 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505127729 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505130308 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505130524 0 :fuyu!?@? NICK :fuyuu < 1505131094 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505131381 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505132002 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505132096 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 1097 olisted yet? < 1505132117 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was < 1505132123 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupid, I've even seen that < 1505132136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's days old < 1505133818 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1886/ <-- well you can take solace in the fact that I was blissfully unaware that "typing notifications" are a thing < 1505133837 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's just hope that IRC client don't jump on this particular train) < 1505133851 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1505133855 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1505133863 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1505133865 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1505134013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: IRC clients won't, because luckily the kind of people who think IRC should be extended with modern multimedia capabilities are developing a dozen different chat protocols with modern multimedia capabilities and decentralized cryptography schemes and video chat built in < 1505134060 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if anyone tried to add client-to-client typing notifications in IRC, which is totally technically not that hard, freenode would kick them in the ass for the useless extra traffic < 1505134095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :skype has typing notifications by default, and I think you can't disable them now with the latest dumbed-down client which doesn't even have an options dialog or a way to quit or anything < 1505134112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically MS has successfully turned skype into malware < 1505134121 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was already close, but they made it worse < 1505134132 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think skype is the only chat that does that < 1505134635 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that seems unlikely < 1505134682 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1505134752 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505134767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ITYM
TYPING
< 1505134905 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hangouts' typing notifications are also un-disableable. < 1505135021 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505135604 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same is true for adding multimedia inserts or fancy HTML formatting information or extra-long lines or picture avatars or name colors or deletable or editable messages, < 1505135632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of which could be added to IRC as an extension among cooperating clients, but nobody bothers with that, because the people who care write fancy heavy javascript-based web chat programs. < 1505135640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or android apps < 1505135749 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@24.216.12.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505135959 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an irssi plugin for one-time-pad encrypted messages once. < 1505135976 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then swapped a CD-full of random bytes with a friend. < 1505135987 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CA9C.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505136010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wanted to say "CD full" or "CD-ful", but somehow ended up with both there. < 1505136202 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehe, lol. there are cheaper protocols than a CD full of random bits, but ok. < 1505137355 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505137363 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505137751 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505138402 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505138430 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505138661 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505138701 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@24.216.12.163 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505139114 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-140-43.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505139276 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505139322 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505139790 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505139845 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505140744 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505141046 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505141236 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-140-43.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505142045 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505142301 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505142905 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505143000 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505143497 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505143793 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1505144222 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how does one remember C-x 5 2 ) < 1505144306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You don't use any chat program with typing notifications? < 1505144320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1505144366 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505144379 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I use (non-multiuser) Hangouts with XMPP, and I assume I can disable typing notifications in my client. < 1505144395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is becoming less and less supported, I suppose. < 1505145112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's right. < 1505145182 0 :alercah!?@? NICK :lexer < 1505145190 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Also, my mobile phone has about 15 keys and 3 games on it, no camera, and the flashlight is an actual lamp rather than the display backlight. < 1505145203 0 :lexer!?@? NICK :alercah < 1505145219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 games? Is one of them Snake? < 1505145224 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1505145229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're fine. < 1505145695 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505146001 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505146257 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1505146260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1505146269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, so HackEgo and wiki probably came up < 1505146321 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 15 keys? that seems either too few (if it has a numeric keypad and no touchscreen or a touchscreen and full alphabetic keypad), or too many (if it has a touchscreen and no keypad). < 1505146418 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505146555 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 12 for the numeric keypad, # and *, and then you have 3 more... perhaps pick up, hang up, and something to do with caller id? < 1505146715 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: most phones have at least 16, typically around 22 to 25 these days. a phone that has games most certainly has at least 16. < 1505146753 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of one very old phone that has 16 keys, and that kind of interface is too limited and rare these days < 1505146771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is copying the interfaces from each other, and since the previous one has more buttons, the new ones have more buttons too < 1505147026 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The moon phase isn't encoded on the card, currently; I should think it would calculate the phase of moon by themself if they needed to do, rather than taking it as input. < 1505147099 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you could use the numeric keypad to control those games. The N-Gage had 5 and 7 as the A and B gamepad buttons, slightly raised. Though it also had a d-pad. < 1505147114 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall 12 (keypad) + 3 (up, "action" and down) + 2 ("soft buttons" on left and right bottom corners of screen) = 17 being pretty standard setup. < 1505147336 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think in addition to the 0-9 * # you will also need send, end, high volume, low volume, and delete. < 1505147499 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ed13:48ef:9aef:2a7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505147618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Note the "about". I'm not sure how to count the cursor cross, since it's a single button with four active directions. I think it's actually 17 or 20, depending on how you count. < 1505147641 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Count it as four buttons, I should think < 1505147664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it has four directions, then it's four buttons. if it has four directions plus can also be pressed in the middle for a different effect, it's five buttons. if you can only press it up and down, it's two buttons. if up and down and middle, it's three buttons. < 1505147680 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1505147694 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, it depends on how you count; I gave two ways that I consider reasonable. < 1505147705 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: these days phones also have a power key and often volume keys and sometimes other extra keys (lock, lamp, message, alarm clock) on the sides or the back. < 1505147714 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok < 1505147804 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and many phones have two soft buttons and an additional pick up and put down buttons, with red and green icons, between the soft button and the numeric keys < 1505147848 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am counting everything in my own count of 17 < 1505147894 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these conventions are useful because on non-touchphone telephones, if you want to call emergency services, you can always just type 1 1 2 followed by the button above the 1; and if a colleage leaves his phone in the room and it rings loudly, you can almost always mute it by pressing volume buttons on the side or back and/or turning the phone display down. < 1505147953 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like the people who make the laws actually care about being able to call emergency services from all phones easily, < 1505147976 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for the loud ringing, it's getting more and more important with so many phones with no removable battery, < 1505148014 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need removable battery. < 1505148025 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even apart from those the manufacturers just want to make people be able to learn to use their phones easily < 1505148034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case it won't turn off somehow, can be useful < 1505148047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's useful. but there are still phones without it. < 1505148061 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if the battery is damaged and you need to replace it) < 1505148069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they put in some special turn off mode like PCs have where if you press the power button for long enough it turns off < 1505148134 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I can actually understand why they don't want a removable and replacable battery. they want a light and thin phone, and if the battery is removable, then it needs an extra layer of casing on both of its sides, besides what the phone would already hvae < 1505148146 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phones without removable battery can simply have fewer plastic in them < 1505148197 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if the display breaks once every two years in normal use, then most phones don't get to the age when the battery has to be replaced < 1505148207 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people replace their whole phones with a new model every two years too < 1505148214 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why bother with replacable battery? < 1505148424 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn't need to change it entirely every few year < 1505148496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but even then, my phone is about six or eight years old now, I'll replace it soon, and the battery seems to have a lifetime comparable to the rest. the battery is simply no longer the part that lives the shortest, so why make that one replacable in particular, rather than any of the other parts? < 1505148582 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, if the battery lives longer anyways, then it makes sense, but why can't the other parts work? < 1505148671 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the display breaks often because it's huge and has a glass plate that extends to the sides of the phone with little or no frame, so whenever you drop the phone in any orientation except flatly to the front or back, the glass gets a shock from the side and may crack. it may also get hurt in other ways. < 1505148689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not just parts breaking, but sometimes people wanting the features or performance of a new phone that might matter. < 1505148755 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it can then depend on the individual customers; who are more likely to break or not to not do so; and there are sometimes if you want hardware upgrades too. But sometimes you might only need a software upgrade, depending how it is designed. < 1505148774 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in android and windows phone smartphones, the software gets unsupported because the manufacturers make changes from the vanilla OS and barely update the modified OS with upstream security patches, so you end up with very old software that is often unsecure < 1505148792 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people either install custom software or they have to buy a new phone just for the software < 1505148822 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, it's just that getting a software update is often impossible < 1505148833 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not updating the software, but getting the software you want to update to < 1505148848 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505148887 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be the case, but they should allow custom software (unless the software is stored in ROM, in which case there might be a reason to make the ROM chip replaceable, or preferably, to use programmable ROM so that you can set an internal switch in the battery compartment to programmable ROM mode if you want to upgrade it). < 1505148903 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why you need open source software, then you can make the upgrade by yourself < 1505148932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for dropping the phone, what do you expect people should do? half of the phones these days don't even have a wrist/neck strap attach point in the chasis, and I think when my grandmother lost the back cover of her phone, that was because I had a wrist strap attached without a proper attach point which made the back cover not snap in properly on that corner < 1505148967 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the smartphones almost always do allow you to install custom software, it's just that you don't find the right custom software to intsall < 1505148993 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for non-apple phones. apple phones, I think, have longer support for their software < 1505149015 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends how the customer uses it and how prone they are to dropping stuff, how often you carry it with you, store in your pocket, etc. < 1505149030 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people don't drop stuff as much < 1505149075 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, but I am saying they should include full source codes and free license for the manufacturer's software; even if they do not maintain it anymore someone else might do. < 1505149242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, I think people are just overconfident and don't think they'll drop their phone, yet I see a lot of people with phones with broken displays on a bus, and whenever you travel on a chair skilift, you see an abundance of dropped batons and gloves under the route. < 1505149301 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, maybe some people don't drop their stuff. I do drop my stuff, which is why I use a wriststrap and a neckstrap (not at the same time) for my camera. I don't use a strap for my mobile phone, but it's survived a few drops already, doesn't have a big display, and is cheap enough to replace, and I want to replace it soon anyway. < 1505149308 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the case. Still, some people might be more likely to drop it than others anyways. < 1505149331 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even dropped my phone into a toilet bowl once. That doesn't just happen to other people like I thought. < 1505149338 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It survived.) < 1505149358 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505149362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I admit I have a low DEX score, so I fail those checks more often. But half of the people have a low DEX score. < 1505149631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, my father cut into his finger with a circular saw. And that's a dangerous machine and he knows he has to avoid it, and pays attention to what he's doing when using it. Whereas < 1505149647 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505149715 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people text on a mobile phone while still holding on to the bus so they don't fall, three shopping bags full of goods and two children; or they hold a mobile phone to their ears while driving, using their two hands to also hold the steering wheel, the shift stick, a cigarette, a sandwich or cup of drink, and the leg of the girl sitting next to them. < 1505149737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's absolutely normal that people drop their mobile phone. < 1505149765 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you shouldn't do stupid things like trying to do all of those things at the same time. (Where I live it is illegal anyways) < 1505149820 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, of course someone may drop it anyways < 1505149822 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drop them because I don't yet have a kid I have to hold, so until that, because I'm clumsy, I have to pay extra attention to train myself to drop things in my hand when I trip so I can put the palms in front of me if I fall forward or behind me if I fall sideways or back, < 1505149845 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :against the normal reflex of always keeping holding on to whatever is in your hand, which only makes sense once you grow up and carry a child in one hand. < 1505149907 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holding stuff in your hand while driving is usually illegal, yes. Holding shopping bags and two kids and a mobile phone is most definitely not illegal, and it'd be hard to regulate. < 1505150020 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, holding shopping bags and two kids and a mobile phone is not illegal and probably shouldn't be illegal, but still you shouldn't do all of those things at the same time while you are also eating and driving and smoking all at the same time too. < 1505150048 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are two different examples. < 1505150069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1505150102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write a calendar program? If so, in what program language? < 1505150108 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few people hold their children while driving, or their children while holding the leg of the girl next to them, or two shopping bags while driving. < 1505150128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought. < 1505150151 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written one program that computes the days of the week, in perl or ruby (I'm not sure), but I haven't written much else. < 1505150216 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead I just wrote emails to timeanddate.com each time the Hungarian government decides to swap up holidays just a few months in the future, and used their calendar. < 1505150233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus paper calendars and other existing computer calendar programs. < 1505150284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also used libraries for some date-time computations, like date arithmetic and io. < 1505150291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ton of those. < 1505150323 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used perl Date::Manip from CPAN mostly, it's good (and I also have written emails to its maintainer), but it's not perfect. < 1505150565 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things are the problem with it and have you fixed it? < 1505150656 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: with timeanddate, and almost every other calendar interface, I'd like to see both the name of the month and the one-based number of the month, together on the same year overview calendar page, and also in other calendars, on month overview and week overview pages. < 1505150708 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then I will put that in < 1505150711 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Date::Manip, many bugs have been fixed if you upgrade to latest versions, some outstanding problems that are hard to fix are: (1) it's a perl module with perl interface, but you often want to so date calculations and perl is an overkill, so you need other libraries, < 1505150743 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) Date::Manip doesn't do sub-second precision (it gracefully discards sub-second parts when parsing, but that's all), < 1505150801 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) for localized translated formatting, it uses only its built-in set of around fifteen languages, which is fine for me, but in general you want a larger translation database, such as the one ICU or glibc have. < 1505150831 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glibc has a longstanding bug with Hungarian localization of dates, but I never bothered to fix that because I don't want Hungarian localized interface, but some other people do want that. < 1505150832 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505150885 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Date::Manip excels is the three (actually more like five or six, but I use three) different modes of date arithmetic < 1505150903 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the customizable formatting and scanning of dates < 1505150923 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505150936 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to afk now for probably 90 minutes < 1505150978 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I have, a date card might look like this: " 0901 1F +00 2 LABOUR DAY " and the rest blank. < 1505151339 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "+00" is actually optional; if left blank, it means the same thing. The "1F" if omitted will just use the date in the first five character positions instead; in this case, September 1.) < 1505152366 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yopumpkin < 1505152997 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505153039 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505153070 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@185.159.156.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505153195 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505153307 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505153715 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvtmcjzvanypiveu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505154071 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "pumpkin lemma" < 1505154073 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/metadave/status/396017702117994496 < 1505154214 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did this delicious drama start! "YouTube star PewDiePie under fire for branding rival gamer with n-word" < 1505155548 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505155988 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505156693 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯ < 1505156948 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not delicious, it's boring. < 1505156955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you stop paying attention to it maybe it'll go away. < 1505157031 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "newbie"? < 1505157078 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, "noob". < 1505157365 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, someone killed him and he yelled that they were a fucking nigger < 1505157810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505158814 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53065&oldid=53058 5* 03Zseri 5* (-390) 10remove useless information about internal vm stacks < 1505159109 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505159284 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53066&oldid=53065 5* 03Zseri 5* (+189) 10re-organized variable assign commands < 1505160669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Super Mega books are shipping out soon! < 1505161419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? smlist < 1505161425 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? smlist < 1505161427 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega. < 1505162286 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505162294 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice < 1505162343 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in the Kickstarter thing? < 1505162517 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505162634 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505162674 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:f55a:3505:2a0e:fa8e PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it from the preorder store shortly after the kickstarter ended < 1505162745 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you're still here, right? < 1505162746 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: and a second course of extra dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that in the dark, so that < 1505162755 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1505162755 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1505162930 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505163002 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505163713 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505163737 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1505163737 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1505163836 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505163920 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505163971 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1505164123 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164146 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505164166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that was a bit too extra < 1505164166 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never!! so that's why! < 1505164173 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1505164209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164530 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ed13:48ef:9aef:2a7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164633 0 :dingbat_!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kbmhjyzvuksmuopw JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164685 0 :lifthrasiir_!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164710 0 :ocharles_!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164764 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164768 0 :deltab_!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164856 0 :xkapastel_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymqjkjjljonhhpmm JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164862 0 :molum!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :molum? i 'ardly know 'um! < 1505164958 0 :sdhandsucks!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164961 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164967 0 :sftp_!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1505164976 0 :nchambers^!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1505165015 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1505165016 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot oerjan? < 1505165016 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and i think to myself: this is a black market, t-rex? there are already a lot, but they're always a good party, but are we including all space as the nouns! you can have nouns floating around you in conversation. how is that not awesome? < 1505165023 0 :sdhandsucks!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1505165032 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1505165032 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1505165047 0 :wob_jonas!b03f182c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.44 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvtmcjzvanypiveu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ed13:48ef:9aef:2a7 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165047 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165048 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165048 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgrsmoxbnehcgxfj QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165048 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165048 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165048 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505165052 0 :sftp_!?@? NICK :sftp < 1505165056 0 :xkapastel_!?@? NICK :xkapastel < 1505165069 0 :dingbat_!?@? NICK :dingbat < 1505165080 0 :ocharles_!?@? NICK :ocharles < 1505165102 0 :nchambers^!?@? NICK :nchambers < 1505165178 0 :molum!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaichaf < 1505165304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybdolum < 1505165928 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :konnichaf wa < 1505165948 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't we been over this? The "ch" isn't like "chair". < 1505165983 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CA9C.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505166080 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakhaf < 1505166135 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1505166685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a fact that I've somehow never been in the channel to see < 1505167143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had guessed that fact before being told, but had otherwise guessed the stress wrong. < 1505167150 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never even suspected that there was a preferred pronuciation < 1505167182 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was just "i rot13d funpuns. pronounce it however you like." < 1505167197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1505167269 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom shachaf lachaf < 1505167293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :badum tishachaf < 1505167313 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505167759 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@185.159.156.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505168770 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505169114 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thanks < 1505169175 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1505169307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbe gur ebg13 uvag < 1505170115 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\unrot13 sbe gur ebg13 uvag < 1505170128 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafuq did i have a space there < 1505170173 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its supposed to be forward slash *facepalm* < 1505170185 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its latex that uses backslash < 1505170453 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505170713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that uvag is wrong, anyway < 1505170759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? \ < 1505170760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ was initially popular as a replacement for the solidus, but inevitably there was a backslash. < 1505171721 0 :deltab_!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505171786 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505171854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53067&oldid=53061 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+18) 10/* Contributions */ < 1505172995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505173234 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard: "heated oil bath core memory" < 1505173273 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :early IBM computers literally fried their memory to keep it at a consistent temperature < 1505173501 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Oh noes I ded < 1505174899 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505174914 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: early computers also heated their cathode tubes, hadn't they? < 1505175022 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505175107 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505175290 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if MtG Arena will be good
< 1505175316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll depend a lot on its monetisation model and how buggy (or not) it is < 1505175328 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been learning not to underestimate WotC's ability to screw something like that up < 1505175482 0 :Bowserinator_!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1505175488 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1505175488 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1505176820 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505177335 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played Eternal in a while, maybe I should play a bit < 1505178489 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1505178665 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505179767 0 :catern!~catern@104.131.201.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505179946 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505181301 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505181917 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505182149 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505182187 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505183241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WCDA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53068&oldid=53063 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+1015) 10Added more examples and documentation < 1505184352 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505184409 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505184446 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505184616 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505185030 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505185279 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505185775 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505187152 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505187421 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505187974 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymqjkjjljonhhpmm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1505188993 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should I sign up for Closed Beta? I know the rules of MtG to some extent but haven't played much and not great at deckbuilding. I do have a Magic Duels account so I think I have priority access. < 1505189000 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would that be stealing access from a better player? < 1505189008 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if I don't end up playing a lot < 1505189051 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's up to you, I wouldn't worry much about stealing access, they can just change the numbers of people accessing it according to how active people are < 1505190705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505191868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yangtse 5* 10New user account < 1505191947 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505192009 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53069&oldid=53059 5* 03Yangtse 5* (+104) 10/* Introductions */ < 1505192899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1505193001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505194018 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8d01:1095:7788:8332 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505194785 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505195624 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505196221 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505197045 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan the hint may be wrong but it's very plausible. < 1505197127 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1505197134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK, oerjan will see it anyway. < 1505197329 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505197604 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1505197895 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( stupid socat ) < 1505198266 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505198487 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505198593 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PART #esoteric : < 1505198781 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505199471 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505199541 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1505199759 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505199805 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505199990 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505199998 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505200033 0 :jaboja64!?@? NICK :jaboja < 1505201979 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505202257 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505203318 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505203491 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505203997 0 :HTTP_____GK1wmSU!~DEEP-BOOK@103.27.125.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505204001 0 :HTTP_____GK1wmSU!~DEEP-BOOK@103.27.125.238 QUIT :Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go? < 1505204185 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505204196 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505204308 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505204477 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505204991 0 :HTTP_____GK1wmSU!~DEEP-BOOK@103.27.125.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505205134 0 :HTTP_____GK1wmSU!~DEEP-BOOK@103.27.125.238 PART #esoteric : < 1505205396 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505205539 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505207871 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505208632 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505209428 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505209669 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505209816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505209925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1505209925 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 3h 33m 31s ago: the hint may be wrong but it's very plausible. < 1505210115 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505211754 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505212093 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505212255 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505212259 0 :fuyuu!~fuyu@45.124.56.254 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505212418 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505212725 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505213486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's OK, oerjan will see it anyway. <-- SPOOOOKY < 1505214529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Szs 5* 10New user account < 1505214652 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CCC1.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505214708 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53070&oldid=53069 5* 03Szs 5* (+125) 10/* Introductions */ < 1505214784 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CCC1.versanet.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1505214805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53071&oldid=52636 5* 03Szs 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */ corrected: a 0 is necessary to end the loop < 1505215545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge 64+"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1505215546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1505215590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53072&oldid=53071 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10Undo revision 53071 by [[Special:Contributions/Szs|Szs]] ([[User talk:Szs|talk]]) (Welcome, but it's not - empty stack pops give 0) < 1505215950 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505217973 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1505218930 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505220624 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505220640 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505220686 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-211-124.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505220718 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-211-124.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505220737 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505220868 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505220943 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505221921 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always write 52*, and I know people who write 55+, but 64+ is new to me. < 1505221942 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Context: putting a newline on the stack in Befunge.) < 1505222168 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've used everything from 55+ to 91+ in the -93 part of Mycology < 1505222211 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never 52* though, don't you know that adding is faster than multiplication? < 1505223904 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505223927 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1505223979 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505224009 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505224917 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505224932 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505225161 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505225501 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505225807 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505226198 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@209.60.159.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505228411 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've used 91+ in my programs < 1505228440 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4880:daeb:5335:9959 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505228983 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CCC1.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505229069 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@209.60.159.114 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505229385 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@209.60.159.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505230015 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: goodbye peasants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1505230431 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:6548:5e70:6234:b743 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505230582 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:6548:5e70:6234:b743 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505230788 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505231676 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1505231878 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ed13:48ef:9aef:2a7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505232932 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505232980 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@209.60.159.114 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505233297 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505233673 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505233878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1098 < 1505233879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1098: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1505234039 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505234107 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1505234178 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4880:daeb:5335:9959 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505234754 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505235601 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505236913 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505237904 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505240267 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505240710 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xjiddtbiajkkkbdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1505241641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you like Matt Levine? < 1505242423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smallfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53073&oldid=51417 5* 03EzoLang 5* (-17) 10Change sf2tab link to point to the current Cat's Eye URL < 1505242597 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505242744 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1505242815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53074 5* 03Zseri 5* (+694) 10create page < 1505242829 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505242880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53075&oldid=53064 5* 03Zseri 5* (+10) 10+XTW < 1505243546 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505243567 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1505245420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505245931 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505246290 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505246292 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505246778 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505247213 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:5860:66ca:ab62:e6f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505247272 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53076&oldid=53074 5* 03Zseri 5* (+144) 10+Interpreter < 1505247564 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505248655 0 :molum!?@? NICK :ybden < 1505249535 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1505249666 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505249981 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eILrESvP-jE < 1505250229 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505250598 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505251043 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505251051 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life-hack, do all your banking with a bank whose world headquarters are in your city. < 1505251119 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:5860:66ca:ab62:e6f3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505251151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my bank has something like three branches in the US, and none in this state. < 1505251165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the benefit of having the world headquarters in your city? < 1505251190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can take the CEO hostage if you're unhappy. < 1505251904 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505251990 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505252012 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1505252016 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505252073 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-bit brainfuck with overflow is interesting because both + and - do the same thing < 1505252283 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of instruction reduced bf derivates with that idea in mind < 1505252288 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CCC1.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505252399 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just too lazy to write a piston-powered 8-bit adder and I/O device < 1505253975 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@162.255.170.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505254911 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@162.255.170.6 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505254925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505255906 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505255920 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1505255920 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505256516 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505258785 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505258801 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505259464 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505259580 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505260499 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505260640 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505260747 0 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505261321 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505262430 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505263327 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505263462 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505263899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505263903 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505263909 0 :callforjudgement!?@? 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505266532 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505266638 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@41.226.107.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505266649 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505266775 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505266797 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505267302 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505267420 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@41.226.107.20 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505267468 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:702c:7c8d:a245:aab9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505268200 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505268920 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505269405 0 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:augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505281735 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505282769 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505284032 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505284303 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505284679 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505284818 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505286218 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505286748 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505287291 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505287528 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505287778 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505287862 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505288721 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505288827 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505288982 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505289370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PyText?!.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53077&oldid=52856 5* 03Zayne 5* (+69) 10 < 1505290161 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505290539 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505290805 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505291794 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505291910 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505293753 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505294301 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505303218 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505305285 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505305769 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505307633 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505308249 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505308730 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DF57.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505308785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505310428 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505311231 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505311279 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505311629 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505311645 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505311660 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505312770 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505312907 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505313009 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505313053 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505313644 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROFL another of those funny webpages that put a box saying "You're reading a preview. Unlock for full access." and fades and blurs a page, all in client-side HTML+CSS, but still serves the full image to you under it. < 1505313676 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ton of these for some reason. I don't get why. < 1505313711 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you want to show a blurred preview anyway, it wouldn't even cost much to just store low-quality blurred faded images on your server. < 1505313812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, I didn't find what I actually want < 1505314022 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505314601 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505314609 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone < 1505314626 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make first interpritier for ACRONYM < 1505314630 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But failed < 1505314652 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, here http://cssdeck.com/labs/full/mugdi9nj you can try out what i made < 1505314670 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it have working basic rules of ACRONYM < 1505314677 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made loops working < 1505314698 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you must define conditions of the loop at the start of loop < 1505314749 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so {/{{(>>)}}[>]:/=: ...code... \} < 1505314770 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit examples from ACRONYM page not working < 1505314773 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why < 1505314782 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for debbuging use brpwser console < 1505314787 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F12 in Chrome < 1505316089 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1505318178 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505318927 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505319458 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.3.128.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505320595 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505321330 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505321775 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505322027 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505322043 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505322113 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505322248 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505322337 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505323102 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505323970 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.3.128.133 QUIT :Quit: See Ya. < 1505324320 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505324511 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505325725 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505325775 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505326352 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505327051 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505327577 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zayne2 5* 10New user account < 1505327739 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:dc2c:bb83:53f3:4c2f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505328271 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505328565 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505328980 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505329366 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505329752 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53078&oldid=53076 5* 03Zseri 5* (+37) 10+Object orientied paradigm < 1505330336 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505330639 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505330935 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1505331084 0 :this!5dbe8a70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.190.138.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505331087 0 :this!5dbe8a70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.190.138.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this chat dead? < 1505331133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505331145 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505331154 0 :this!5dbe8a70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.190.138.112 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505331557 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505331569 0 :juh9870!b2971a8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.151.26.140 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1505331801 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505331892 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505332052 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1505332179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international bush for esoteric programming language design and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1505332210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that's just the same thing < 1505332218 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international brush for esoteric programming language design and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1505332432 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505333110 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505333767 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1505334396 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not dead which can eternal lie. < 1505334472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lie < 1505334474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies are even easier than monoids. They form groups, known as Lie groups. < 1505334922 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505335207 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505335301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1505336176 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505336804 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505336978 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505337303 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505337382 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505338164 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505338233 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505338384 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505338433 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505338521 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DF57.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505338650 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505339378 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1505339567 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505340442 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505340719 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505341754 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.3.128.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505342774 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505342812 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505343061 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505343361 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505343841 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505343855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505344117 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505345493 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505345521 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505345550 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505345768 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505345977 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505346097 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505346110 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505346606 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505346768 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505346986 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.3.128.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505348597 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1505348918 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505349837 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505351647 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505351994 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505352245 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505354244 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505354522 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505356645 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1505357479 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505357745 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505358148 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: :> < 1505358869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WCDA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53079&oldid=53068 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-128) 10minor page edits < 1505360341 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505360732 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505360996 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505364002 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505364286 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505365804 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505366578 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505367051 0 :BikiniOptional!~BikiniOpt@66.187.76.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505367134 0 :BikiniOptional!~BikiniOpt@66.187.76.166 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505367239 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505367507 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505368870 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505369079 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505369643 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505369939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505370068 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1505370395 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505370395 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505370402 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505370654 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1505372178 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505372560 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505373247 0 :_fractal_!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505373717 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505373965 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505374628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505376080 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505376225 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505376962 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505377272 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1505377765 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505377966 0 :noobTuberPoopieP!~linux@197.221.251.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505378440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol netanyahu's son wtfbbq < 1505378465 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505378529 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505378594 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505378648 0 :noobTuberPoopieP!~linux@197.221.251.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is death < 1505378651 0 :noobTuberPoopieP!~linux@197.221.251.2 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1505380201 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505380725 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505381782 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505382188 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505382251 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505382416 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505382495 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1505384249 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505384276 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505385135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505385590 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8568:e1f9:8251:a613 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505386372 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505386748 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In M:tG, how will the new set Ixalan have a merfolk theme, when they no longer want to print color hosers, and merfolks in Lorwyn had the theme of going everywhere on water by taking the water with themselves? < 1505386806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck? How do they have so many non-vanilla tokens in a set? < 1505387348 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505388146 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505388348 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505389038 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505389082 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505389162 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505389416 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505389559 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505389681 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505389767 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505390585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to buy a replacement battery, and for that, I have to determine the type of the battery in the device. It is cylindrical, 0.027 long, and has the labels "VAVVT 27A 12V alarm battery". < 1505390626 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it's probably an A23 battery, since that's of a similar same size and shape and nominal voltage, but I'm not completely sure. < 1505390663 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum lambda calculus seems pretty interesting < 1505390759 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also says "Hg" under a crossed out trashcan icon, so probably a mercury battery, as well as "made in China" and "Leagallon battery co., ltd. www.vavtt.com" and "Warning: do not dispose of in fire or attempt to recharge as battery may explode or leak.") < 1505391114 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently there's also a battery size called "A27", which is also 12 V and 0.027 long, and also can apparently be labelled 27A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:27A_Battery.jpg < 1505391175 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the A27 type is thinner. < 1505391235 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to measure the diameter when I get home. < 1505391291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1505392257 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505393386 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505393425 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505393568 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505394147 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505395644 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505395727 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1505395730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ü//ü is the ridiculously happy second derivative of the letter ‘u’ with respect to time. < 1505395739 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1505395740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g powder \ 1/3 c Brown sugar \ 2 c Flour; sifted \ 2 tb Butter or margarine \ 1 ts Sugar \ 3 tb Lemon juice \ 1 Garlic cloves; etchick \ \ 1. Grill and divide into serving platter. Each balls (airlecking) \ overning ripe beef with a spoonfuls on platter. Sprinkle each rounds \ over top. Slice the muffin cups and pourient of a 2-quart pan < 1505395741 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars < 1505395742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gial Ackbar < 1505395780 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerlic? ouch, what's that? < 1505395901 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505397125 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505397625 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505397689 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505397767 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505397835 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505398001 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505398044 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505399057 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505399377 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505400207 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505401176 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1505401235 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally a good idea < 1505401425 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505401866 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes help? < 1505401880 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I guess you found that already, sorry. < 1505401881 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I looked at that < 1505401912 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not at home and only have two photos of the battery here. when I go home, I'll measure how thick the battery is, and find out which one it is < 1505401915 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a great page though, I think. Worth recommending :) < 1505401926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, A27 or A23 < 1505401962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already bought an A23 in the shop, but it's a cheap one so it's not a big problem to have bought that. The problem might be if A27 is harder to find. < 1505402567 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505402698 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505402901 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505402975 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505404074 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505404529 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505404575 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505405561 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505405825 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505406320 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505406749 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505407514 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505407539 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8568:e1f9:8251:a613 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505407990 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505408050 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505408107 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505408533 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505408568 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505408651 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@72.27.253.99 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505408850 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505409093 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505409261 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505409956 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505410012 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505410703 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505410872 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that there was a new olist, but I kept getting distracted from reading it. < 1505410946 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's normla < 1505410957 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so many things on internet that it's very easy to get distracted < 1505410984 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I got distracted from reading olists completely years ago < 1505411025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe it's time to get you ristracted hth < 1505411091 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it wasn't really my thing < 1505411187 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1505411192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See any good cats lately? < 1505411401 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505411475 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505412079 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505412095 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505412327 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( there is no such thing ) < 1505412335 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505412423 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, as a cat? < 1505412434 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1505412488 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DCA8.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505412509 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a good cat < 1505412756 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that's a corollary of there is no such thing as a cat < 1505412773 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:612c:4cc8:5227:2cec JOIN :#esoteric < 1505412817 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: true, but I'd have trouble justifying that stronger statement. < 1505412860 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it also resolves neatly Schrodinger's famous thought experiment < 1505412904 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the cat will be both dead and alive? < 1505412942 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all a wild goose chase, the cat never existed in the first place < 1505412944 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while I'm being philosophical, is a dead cat still a cat? < 1505413132 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think of http://thefw.com/files/2013/02/2uu34uG.jpg < 1505413149 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: itym "Do you like this?" hth < 1505413183 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps but I made a point of not writing it. < 1505413714 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505414110 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505415345 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:612c:4cc8:5227:2cec QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505417284 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I need a mass-rename tool < 1505417299 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass-rename what? < 1505417303 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :files < 1505417314 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm < 1505417317 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1505417342 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm for RenaMe < 1505417355 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix has such nice logical executable names < 1505417362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld for linker < 1505417372 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek suppose i have files named pokemon_1 pokemon_2, ... pokemon_6 i want to rename them to pocket_monsters_1 etc. < 1505417504 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the perl command-line rename tool. rename -n 's/kemon/cket_monster/' pokemon_[0-9] # -n means dry-run; first argument is perl snippet that must transform filename in place in $_ < 1505417581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just bash magic. for s in pokemon_[0-9]; do echo mv -vi "$s" "pocket_monsters_${s##pokemon_}"; done # echo is for dry run < 1505417596 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505417599 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of other ways too of course < 1505417625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505417630 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1505417648 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505417695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :often you want to make a backup copy of everything first, because mass renaming can go really wrong < 1505417768 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505417797 0 :jaboja64!?@? NICK :jaboja < 1505417937 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505418193 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a vim renamer < 1505418431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash magic worked, not sure why we don't have the rename command < 1505418450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :install it < 1505418464 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1505418464 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm not an admin < 1505418480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :althpugh i could isntall it locally < 1505418506 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's a stupid utility < 1505418511 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be best not installed actually < 1505418516 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that with nano so that i would have the latest version < 1505418536 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it provides brief syntax but too many opportunities for mistakes that are hard to fix < 1505418551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason ubuntu hasn't updated nano in their repositories in a while < 1505418554 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done complicated batch renamings (not with the perl rename tool, but in other ways) < 1505418583 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to download latest source and compile it < 1505418586 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505418789 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ shrugurhs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1505418858 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505419375 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother fucker someone did it: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/11880/build-a-working-game-of-tetris-in-conways-game-of-life < 1505419516 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1505419573 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough that's far more exciting than regular logic design. < 1505419994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they did use a rather overengineered method, i think < 1505420064 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you have done it. < 1505420754 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a working program, now it just needs to be golfed to death ;-) < 1505420818 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a VHDL to GoL compiler? :P < 1505420890 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably wouldn't be hard to build. < 1505420893 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :using this method. < 1505420918 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd need to really strip out the metapixel to do any real golfing, which means you'd need to find something reasonably smaller. < 1505421839 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505422085 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505422196 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're only using a few settings for the metapixel, so that might be doable. < 1505422609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts is free today: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/psychonauts < 1505422697 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you shachaf. < 1505422995 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DCA8.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505422997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all should play it, it's great. < 1505423004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even if you don't, you can get it today and play it later. < 1505423060 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a copy on PS2. loved that game. < 1505423063 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :super creepy. < 1505423067 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weird. < 1505423624 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a better way to do tail -fn+0 < 1505423684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: a good cat <-- http://narbonic.com/comic/july-30-august-4-2001/ < 1505424486 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505425067 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505425094 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505425374 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505425630 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505425724 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505426022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505427917 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505428343 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505428615 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505429862 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505430171 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505430230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505430464 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505430741 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505430852 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505431263 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505431787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505431803 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505432163 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505432203 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit the norks < 1505432667 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505432811 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505433117 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505433150 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think tomorrow's xkcd will appear early (compared to how late it's usually posted this year) so that it's before Huygens-Cassini's death? < 1505433474 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1937@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.55 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505433649 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505434088 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic the Gathering question: What does the stack look like to characters in the MtG universe? Do characters experience casting a spell, then someone else casting a spell and that second spell is faster somehow? < 1505434191 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505434260 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505434749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1505435316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack has so much flavor. < 1505435614 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505435923 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mspalist Hiveswap + music released! < 1505435924 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mspalist: not found < 1505435928 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1505435929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ `^ \ `̀ \ ^.^ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ ( \ @ \ * \ # \ ؟ \ ⁗ \  \  \  \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ < 1505435940 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the list for Homestuck? < 1505436079 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505438374 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505440856 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505442245 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505443550 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505443896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1505443901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. \ hexchat//Hexchat is a variant of Smalltalk invented in Hexham. \ icbm//ICBMs are Crumbling Building Miss < 1505443908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 4 < 1505443908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`4 is equivalent to `5 , except that it only repeats 4 times. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `5. < 1505443914 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 5 < 1505443915 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`5 is equivalent to repeating `` 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. defaults to "quote". See `1, `4 and `spam. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2. < 1505443917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 1 < 1505443918 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1 is just for disambiguation. < 1505443921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `1 < 1505443922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4. < 1505443933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2017 < 1505443934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi < 1505443991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le////rn `2017//Not confusingly not the obvious generalization of `1. < 1505443993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '`2017': Not confusingly not the obvious generalization of `1. < 1505444548 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505445724 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Man, query language design is tricky. < 1505445767 0 :MDude!?@? NICK :MDream < 1505448931 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-64-134-245-169.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505449213 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505450757 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip-64-134-245-169.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505450880 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505451395 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505452759 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505455130 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505455420 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505456702 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1505456936 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505457578 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505459362 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505461112 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee JOIN :#esoteric < 1505461342 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:702c:7c8d:a245:aab9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505464590 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505464640 0 :MDream!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505467319 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505469744 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505470030 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1505470473 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505470905 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505470997 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505472821 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505473264 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505473525 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505474160 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505474280 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505477527 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand what's with people and bitfields. < 1505477601 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People write all sorts of hundred file long macro packages for doing trivial operations you could do with just two &|^ bitwise ops and a shift. A lot of people try to do this for some reason. In C++ too, but also in other languages (that also have bit operations on arithmetic already trivially available). What the HECK is up with people? < 1505477655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's SO wrong with just int stuff(int flags, ...) { if (flags & 1) { ... } else { ... } } that you need deep such abstractions for it < 1505477758 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that eventually you can't just write stuff(0, ...); but have to write stuff(CONSTRUCT_BITFIELD(stuffmodule::stuff::argument::flags, flags = FLAGS({ stuffmodule::stuff::argument::flags::backwardsflag = (boolean)FALSE, defaults })), ...); and some similarly horrible syntax inside the function implementation < 1505477766 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so strange < 1505478313 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask lambdabot how do you feel about moving back to NL? < 1505478313 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1505478415 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505478559 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@can lambdabot still do this? I forget < 1505478559 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn run faq < 1505478581 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that was faq < 1505478583 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq < 1505478583 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.haskell.org/FAQ < 1505478585 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1505479637 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/commit/883f1107abc5029e668ef1b677ed0758292977f7 ... the joke had grown old. < 1505479651 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I thought it was removed, just checking :p < 1505479667 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily disagreeign < 1505479671 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still in the hackage version anyway. < 1505481516 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505481775 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505482672 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@64.134.176.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505482805 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505483343 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505484031 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505484330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels absurd. < 1505484403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reported a bug in a tracker about a day selection input calendar popdown widget in a browser-based interface. I'm clicking on a day in the calendar and the interface chooses a different day one month after that instead. This seems repeatable. < 1505484417 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent two screenshots and a description. < 1505484448 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505484477 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I've reported stupid bugs before, like back ten years ago when dc -e "" segfaulted (or something like that, I'm not sure) < 1505484495 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this one is funny < 1505484837 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505486104 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@64.134.176.169 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505486394 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rggwezyoupgijgbv JOIN :#esoteric < 1505486604 0 :Guest28588!?@? NICK :^arcade_droid < 1505486612 0 :^arcade_droid!~arcade_dr@telg.xyz QUIT :Changing host < 1505486612 0 :^arcade_droid!~arcade_dr@unaffiliated/arcade-droid/x-4286778 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505486693 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505487050 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D95B.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505488479 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯/_(ツ)_\¯ < 1505488925 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505488949 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505489457 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505489583 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505490659 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505491348 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505491597 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505493793 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505494247 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505494512 0 :SoniEx2!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505494530 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee JOIN :#esoteric < 1505494530 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1505494563 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505495830 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.83.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505497177 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505498414 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505498621 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505498841 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505499037 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505499528 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505500770 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505500992 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505502091 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505502871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Why are contravariant functors so popular? < 1505502979 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505503082 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1505503667 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505503678 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505503952 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505504052 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505504328 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505505065 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505505727 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505506561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53080&oldid=53078 5* 03Zseri 5* (+185) 10new operator ~ < 1505507029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Point operator14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53081 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+343) 10/* Workable point operator. */ new section < 1505507080 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@c-67-174-70-62.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505507482 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1505507865 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53082&oldid=50772 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+54) 10TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution < 1505508279 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505509556 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@c-67-174-70-62.hsd1.va.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505509690 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505509922 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505509922 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1505510928 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505511160 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because you take what you can get, and there are a lot of accidental ones which happen to change the direction of the arrows < 1505511212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: There's this discussion on the categories mailing list where they talk about the joke that covariant functors should be thought of as contravariant functors on the opposite category. < 1505511221 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1505511228 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that < 1505511228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is only a sort of joke? < 1505511241 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have Yoneda as well < 1505511247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I often see people taking two abstract categories C and D, and saying "let F be a contravariant functor from C to D" < 1505511250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1505511365 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obviously doesn't make so much difference when the categories are perfectly abstract < 1505511460 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all these branches of mathematics and the direction of the arrows in their respective categories is somewhat an accident of how we managed to define the relationships we wanted to talk about using functions. < 1505511585 0 :* Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d: PRIVMSG #esoteric :now owns a copy of Introduction to the Theory of Numbers < 1505511591 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can finally figure out what a number is < 1505511982 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in theory < 1505512272 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least asymptotically < 1505512695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess presheaves are contravariant for some reason. < 1505512703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it fundamental or is it a coincidence? < 1505512727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I always tell my students that since category theory reduces all of mathematics to the study of arrows, and the only mistake you can make with an arrow is to get confused about which way it's pointing, they should expect to spend many hours confused about exactly this." < 1505513236 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505513257 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1505513434 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505513785 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up word game on MIX computer < 1505514178 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee JOIN :#esoteric < 1505514770 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505514906 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D95B.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505516047 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505516242 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505516388 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505518177 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505519127 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505520698 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505524131 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505524207 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505525628 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505525873 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505525874 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505527157 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505528382 0 :SoniEx2!?@? NICK :Soni < 1505528957 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.38.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505530941 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505530973 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505531378 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505531502 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1505531655 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505531722 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505533026 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505533035 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505533061 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505533301 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505533941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505534230 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505536055 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505537201 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.38.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505537382 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505537553 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the calculation by computer to figure out when a deceptive attack is better in GURPS, and to figure out whether a improved defense or double defense is better; in most cases improved defense is better, but not always. This does not consider all needing considerations though (including not knowing your opponent's attacking/defending scores, as well as other things too). < 1505539296 0 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505539318 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505539354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505539354 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505539354 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505539355 0 :diginet_!?@? NICK :diginet < 1505539362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505539666 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505539686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505540198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One possible possible thing that could be done with the punch card programs loading with MIX could be for all of the cards other than the first and last card to be punched "0" in the first character position (for the first and last cards it will be blank), so that if the cards are mixed up, you can easily recover them by using a thin stick in the first zero position < 1505540222 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two cards it won't go through are then the first and last card, which it should be easily to tell apart. The other cards can be placed in any order and the program will still work. < 1505540238 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1505540248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1505540749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This will not work if the program includes additional cards of data after the end of the program, although it may be possible to use different colours of cards (if you have different colours of cards available) to help that a bit) < 1505541263 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505541299 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505541564 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505541760 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505542633 0 :betaveros!~betaveros@mint-square.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505543334 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505543633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505543739 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505543804 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505546189 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you launched Russell's teapot yet? < 1505546583 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505548421 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505548497 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505548521 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505551814 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cale: Why are contravariant functors so popular? <-- people like being contrarian hth < 1505551965 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505551976 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1505551980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand baseball twh < 1505552445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth < 1505552466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( understanding baseball is not cricket ) < 1505552517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the "cricket is not croquet" thing < 1505552522 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was p. advanced for me < 1505552523 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505552558 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505552578 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did at one time understand croquet enough to play it. < 1505552604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with flamingos? < 1505552612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly only with clubs < 1505552634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a member of any fan clubs < 1505552651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1505552653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the Andrej Bauer fan club? < 1505552667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember who that is, even if it rings a bell < 1505552674 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1505552697 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because you've mentioned him before < 1505552708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i googled him < 1505552712 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you've encountered him elsewise. < 1505552721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then promptly forgot what he was. < 1505552791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Andrej Bauer (rojen 11. maj 1971) je profesor računalniške matematike na Fakulteti za matematiko in fiziko Univerze v Ljubljani v Sloveniji." < 1505552811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the only wikipedia hit on the front page) < 1505552826 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes think it would be interesting to see pros play certain variants of baseball, for example, if each base were worth a run (or some varying number of runs), making bunts much more valuable. < 1505552854 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505552873 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should vary the rules more, it would be interesting < 1505552893 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( are bunts the same as wickets ) < 1505552933 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not < 1505552939 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dff:1c12:e8ea:3f75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunting is where you hold the bat with both hands and hit the ball a short distance to make the opposing team run forward to get it < 1505552987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm food -> < 1505553026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale obviously understands this game much better than I do. < 1505553117 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505553598 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505553810 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505554613 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505554874 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505555121 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505555373 0 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:imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Wireworld would look like with a von neumann neighborhood.
< 1505574469 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505574582 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505574649 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505574763 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505577148 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505577152 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1505578785 0 :S1!~S1@ip4d16fe59.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505581222 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505581721 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505581798 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505583963 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505584442 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505585027 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C965.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505589652 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505590703 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505591355 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505591645 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505592231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505592257 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re MIX programs, I don't think it's true that you can permute cards of the program other than the first and last card around to any order. < 1505592310 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in fact I think even in a typical program the assembler will often emit cards that rewrite a word that was written by a previous card, when you define a backreference that a far earlier part of the program has referred to. < 1505592352 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505592364 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is when the MIXAL assembler runs on a MIX machine, which usually has only as much memory as the program will run on. it might not apply to your assembler, which can emit cards differently and uses more RAM. < 1505592443 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note that MMIX is trickier because its loader xors values when multiple values are loaded to the same memory word. you could do something like that in MIX too, by adding values. You have to be careful with overflows, but that doesn't cause many problems with just backreferences, < 1505592519 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and at least the overflow behavior is well-defined and deterministic even if you do tricks with ORG. However, this would require zeroing the entire memory first, which takes a few more instructions in the loader, and is not as natural as in MMIX, where you zero the memory anyway to protect from other processes' secrets. < 1505593210 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C965.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505593401 0 :Pazzaz!97b10e21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.177.14.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505594403 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505594608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505596197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think you are right about MIXAL, yes, but my own assembler is different and outputs the entire program at the end after two passes. < 1505596245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes it does depend on the assembler and on the computer running it. < 1505597104 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505599435 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1505599605 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48a1:857:475:daee QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505601946 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ais523 teminology, would LoL have more headroom than Dota2? < 1505603049 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the golf course have dragons? < 1505603057 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:a94e:f413:69d8:ef7a PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What do you mean by headroom? < 1505603171 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/blog/strategy-headroom.html < 1505603185 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to make suboptimal decisions without necessarily instantly failing < 1505603202 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are two possible extremes for the scale here. One is "no matter who you are or which choice you make, it won't affect your odds of winning the game". There are two ways to look at this situation. One is that the game is "perfectly balanced" with respect to character creation. The other is that the choice is entirely meaningless; if nobody gains an advantage from either choice, then either success or failure has nothing to do with the < 1505603202 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :skill of the player, or else the various options play so similarly that the choice is entirely cosmetic. This situation has a very high headroom; the player can mess around with their strategy at will without any risk of the game limiting their experimentation. < 1505603202 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other extreme is "one of these choices will guarantee you victory; the other will guarantee you are defeated". This is definitely a meaningful choice, now! However, it can be seen as unsatisfactory for other reasons: the choice is meaningful, but it's a false choice, in that only one option is reasonable to take. An unspoiled player may pick the wrong one, and lose, if the choice is not well-signposted. Or a player might want to pick one < 1505603207 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice (because it fits in more with how they want to play the game, for instance), but be forced to take the other in order to have a chance of success. This situation has zero headroom; a player must follow the path that the game dictates for them in order to have any chance of survival." < 1505603208 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:a94e:f413:69d8:ef7a PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah, I think that's somewhat true. < 1505603253 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C965.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505603300 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:a94e:f413:69d8:ef7a PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played either game extensively, but I have watched a bunch of both, and it seems that in Dota2, the abilities tend to have much sharper effects. It doesn't necessarily mean the game is overall more challenging, but locally the play seems much more unforgiving. < 1505603404 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd like LoL but the business model bothers me < 1505603431 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can also be the challenge game. And, for the character creation, you can try to win with every combination, some may be more difficult than the others < 1505603980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that idea of the headroom though it can help I suppose. The game design can be consider such thing, although for character definition at start of game and also with challenge game, there is the other aspect of that too. < 1505604636 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505604667 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505606177 0 :Pazzaz!97b10e21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.177.14.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dota 2 has an All Hero Challenge where the goal is to win atleast one game with every character. It's a pretty nice way to add some variety to your games < 1505606181 0 :Pazzaz!97b10e21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.177.14.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dota2.gamepedia.com/All-Hero_Challenge < 1505607001 0 :Pazzaz!97b10e21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.177.14.33 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1505607549 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505607817 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505609957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505610401 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505610912 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1505611036 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505611121 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505611534 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505611636 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505614581 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505616152 0 :moriarty!~ihodf@unaffiliated/moriarty JOIN :#esoteric < 1505616158 0 :moriarty!~ihodf@unaffiliated/moriarty PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1505616172 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sal' < 1505616186 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a suspiciously familiar nick and greeting... < 1505616188 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION squints
< 1505616823 0 :moriarty!~ihodf@unaffiliated/moriarty PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION burps
< 1505617081 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505617161 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505617205 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: [insert creative quit message here] < 1505617757 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505617813 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1505618159 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505618383 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505618800 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505619234 0 :moriarty!~ihodf@unaffiliated/moriarty PART #esoteric : < 1505619535 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505619745 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to try Gwent
< 1505619755 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I see MtG people expressing enjoyment of Gwent < 1505619953 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:a94e:f413:69d8:ef7a PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1505620021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi Cale < 1505620021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Cale. Hale. < 1505620035 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505620095 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi T is a terrible letter. < 1505620095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi T is a terrible letter.. His a terrible letter.. < 1505620135 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi T is a terrible letter. < 1505620136 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi T is a terrible letter.. His a terrible letter.. < 1505620141 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares
< 1505620363 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hi < 1505620364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Hi $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/H/; } else { s/^./H/; } print "$_."; < 1505620777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/thanks < 1505620778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1505620794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same general shape. < 1505620816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ants < 1505620817 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ants. Thants. < 1505621681 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you try to play a poker game using the tarot cards? If so, you will have to figure out the kind of hand and ranking of the hands. I made up such a list (including "impure", "semi-pure", "pure", and "all-trump" hands), but does not specify the ranking of hand, yet. Do you know what ranking it will be? < 1505622364 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505623863 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505624491 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:11b7:9a32:2fe3:1e96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505624679 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505624842 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHd3xfDzTg8 awesome scene, props to the seiyuu < 1505624857 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, epic rant there < 1505626685 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505626766 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505627347 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505627523 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505627644 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505631137 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505631154 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505634525 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505635128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a kind of encryption that is design to make decryption very slow even if you know the key and algorithm and have a lot of parallel and/or quantum computing? < 1505635176 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505635820 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505636726 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about the deniable encryption and have various ideas. One document says: As soon as you have over 4 pass-phrases, the excuse "I can't recall" or "there's nothing else there" starts to sound highly plauseable. < 1505636775 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you could even make "I can't recall" to be one of the actual passwords for one of the layers, too. < 1505636865 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or to be a kind of self-destruct mechanism password? You could even put in data which is meant to take advantage of vulnerabilities and damage the government's computer) < 1505637000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also frame yourself for something you didn't do (but the police won't know that until they investigate) and encrypt that. < 1505637041 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505637092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple hidden computers (with MAC spoofing if needed, non-internet, etc) can also be in use. < 1505637496 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1505638475 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Complode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53083&oldid=53003 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+216) 10The exception < 1505638549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Complode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53084&oldid=53083 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+20) 10 < 1505640198 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505640665 0 :S1!~S1@ip4d16fe59.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505641700 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505642422 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505642758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the groundbreaking research into whether cats are liquid or solid? < 1505642762 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rheology.org/sor/publications/rheology_b/RB2014Jul.pdf#page=16 < 1505642912 0 :S1!~S1@ip4d16fe59.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1505642953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heassumptionofincom- < 1505642953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressibilitymayalsofailforoldercats,whichcanacquire < 1505642971 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it i hate PDF;s that don't copy right < 1505643746 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505651160 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505652379 0 :S1!~S1@ip4d16fe59.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505652852 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505657090 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505657636 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505658558 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505658842 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Uh this isn't supposed to happen < 1505658850 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505658886 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest36146 < 1505658945 0 :Guest36146!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Client Quit < 1505659455 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505659519 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505659886 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Quit: Uh this isn't supposed to happen < 1505659998 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1505660021 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest9724 < 1505660153 0 :Guest9724!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1505660155 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1505660155 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1505660296 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505662162 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505662168 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505662192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" There can also be the challenge game. And, for the character creation, you can try to win with every combination, some may be more difficult than the others" => sure, that happens. < 1505662276 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are games where people challenge themselves to win with each of the different starting character classes. I know of at least three: nethack (everyone agrees that some classes are more difficult, eg. valkyrie is one of the easiest for beginners, wizard is easiest for advanced players, some roles are hard for everyone), < 1505662386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the 3d fps games from id software with three classes (I don't remember the name), or even Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels which has two playable characters < 1505662494 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also seems to happen with some versus games: in Age of Mythology and extensions, in two players playing against each other (even at competitive level), sometimes challenge themselves or each other to play with a different god than their favourite < 1505662530 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the favorite varies, but there are some gods that seem weaker and almost no player uses them as their favorite, even though it's not clear if there's a strongest god everyone agrees on < 1505662562 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a great way to make the games less repetitive, because the different starting characters add not just extra difficulty, but different styles of play. < 1505662755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Is there a kind of encryption that is design to make decryption very slow even if you know the key and algorithm and have a lot of parallel and/or quantum computing?" => yes < 1505662768 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, not necessarily if you know the key < 1505662841 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) there's public-key encryption that's designed to be hard to break if you have the public key but not the private key, people started to design some because most of the currently popular public-key encryption is easy to break with a good quantum computer. < 1505662876 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) there's one-way functions that are designed to be slow to compute (and practically impossible to reverse compute), for hashing passwords, < 1505662927 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) and there's also one-way functions designed to be very slow to compute even if you have lots of parallel computing (also quantum, but quantum doesn't really help much for any of this anyway), < 1505662994 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed as a sort of time-lock to lock a symmetric key for when you want to release encrypted documents in such a way that people will be able to decrypt them eventually, but not soon enough, without a trusted third party, because this would have some practical uses. < 1505663052 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😸 < 1505663062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of any public-key cipher where parallel computing doesn't help, and that seems like it would be impossible, but you have have public key cipher that's hard enough to break even with all the parallel computing people will ever have. < 1505663093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course none of this cryptography stuff is proven, because we don't even know P=NP, all of them depend on various very reasonable hardness assumptions. < 1505663215 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To clarify, (2) is used because if you hash passwords with a fast to compute one-way function and someone somehow steals the hashed password database, then they can do a dictionary attack using parallel computing, and (2) makes this somewhat less practical. < 1505663304 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) is used because if you just use a (good) symmetric key encryption and reveal nothing about the key, then it could take so much work that nobody will be able to decrypt it, or the key could be too short so people can decrypt it in reasonable time, or anything between, but in either case parallel computing speeds up breaking the key almost linear < 1505663305 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly with the number of parallel computers, < 1505663343 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (3) is a solution to make the problem take about a fixed number of time regardless of how much parallel computers (how much money) you throw at the decryption. < 1505663447 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you seen the groundbreaking research into whether cats are liquid or solid?" => do you mean like bonsaikitten? < 1505663638 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:a94e:f413:69d8:ef7a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505663905 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505664064 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CEE6.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505664190 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505664271 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505664593 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505664933 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pho < 1505664934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by lyyyyyyynn to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters. < 1505664941 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/hunting-man < 1505665888 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505666881 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505667107 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505667114 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505667210 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505667764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505668585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: In addition to the character classes there can be multi dimensions, such as classes and the species of your character, or classes and species and gender, or even more (which you would have to multiply together if all combinations are allowed) < 1505668590 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: up up and away! (brb, hopefully) < 1505668615 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1505668627 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people care about that in some games < 1505668645 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, it even goes down to how I'd like to be able to make good mono-black and good mono-blue decks in M:tG < 1505668776 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, there is the stuff like that too I suppose. (Especially if you are playing Commander, where color identity can matter; but you can do that even if you don't play Commander.) Anyways I meant single-player games in my comments anyways < 1505668788 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1505668824 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play commander, although I like singleton/highlander decks as a challenge (whether 100 or 60 cards) < 1505668899 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if it is the ordinary singleton game or the "functional singleton" < 1505668924 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some constructed decks can be made singleton quite nicely, like decks where half of the non-land cards are black kill spells, because there really are that many different good kill spells; some decks really don't work like that < 1505668959 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then, there is the version including the basic lands that must be the single, too) < 1505669060 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ordinary singleton. no card other than basics repeated with same English name throughout deck and sideboard (or throughout two decks and sideboards for a team as an extra), but a Terramorphic Expanse and an Evolving Wilds is fine < 1505669310 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop moving lambdabot to a new VM every 6 months :P < 1505669331 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google this may be broken again? < 1505669333 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-18/gartmanthis-may-be-one-most-important-days-future-equity-markets < 1505669333 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Gartman: "This May Be One Of The Most Important Days In The Future Of Equity ... < 1505669342 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, time will tell < 1505669401 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tic* < 1505669485 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1505669488 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1505669515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, about slow decryption, I did mean symmetric algorithms < 1505669654 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 5d6 < 1505669654 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 17 < 1505669661 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> b -> a < 1505669662 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a _ = a < 1505669677 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle id < 1505669678 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude id :: a -> a < 1505669678 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function id :: a -> a < 1505669678 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Category id :: Category cat => cat a a < 1505669692 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any other external program that I usually forget, hmm < 1505669698 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type 1 < 1505669700 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num p => p < 1505669805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x->\a->\b->case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669805 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 23): < 1505669805 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '{' < 1505669805 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or end of input < 1505669811 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x->\a->\b->case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669811 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 23): < 1505669811 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '{' < 1505669811 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or end of input < 1505669814 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x->\a->\b->case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669815 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: parse error on input ‘->\’ < 1505669827 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x=>\a=>\b=>case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669828 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: parse error on input ‘=>\’ < 1505669839 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, whatever, haskell < 1505669857 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :type \x a b->case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669858 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x a b->case x of {None => b; Some(y) => a(y);} < 1505669859 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x -> \a -> \b -> case x of {None -> b; Some y -> a y;} < 1505669860 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: parse error on input ‘=>’ < 1505669861 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1505669861 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘None’ < 1505669861 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1505669876 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x -> \a -> \b -> case x of {Nothing -> b; Just y -> a y;} < 1505669877 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe t -> (t -> p) -> p -> p < 1505669882 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x a b->case x of {None -> b; Some y -> a y} < 1505669884 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1505669884 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘None’ < 1505669885 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1505669887 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1505669891 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks zzo38 < 1505669900 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl id < 1505669901 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1505669909 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> \a -> \b -> case x of {Nothing -> b; Just y -> a y;} < 1505669909 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 29): < 1505669909 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '{' < 1505669909 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting variable, "(", operator or end of input < 1505669915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> \a -> \b -> case x of Nothing -> b; Just y -> a y; < 1505669916 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 39): < 1505669916 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '>' < 1505669916 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting operator < 1505669927 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \x -> \a -> \b -> case x of Nothing -> b; Just y -> a y; < 1505669929 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe t -> (t -> p) -> p -> p < 1505669944 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl doesn't like me < 1505669945 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't like me < 1505669957 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip id < 1505669957 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ x y -> y x) < 1505669965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl flip const < 1505669965 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ x y -> y) < 1505669970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl const id < 1505669970 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ _ x -> x) < 1505669986 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think @pl does pattern matching. < 1505669988 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1505670006 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \a b c -> b c a < 1505670007 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flip < 1505670013 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what does it do then? only already pointfree replacements like library functions? < 1505670019 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1505670046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl f Nothing a b = b; f (Just y) a b = a y; < 1505670046 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 18): < 1505670046 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected ';' < 1505670047 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting letter or digit, variable, "(", operator or end of input < 1505670059 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that either? < 1505670064 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl f (Just y) a b = a y < 1505670065 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 17): < 1505670065 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected " " < 1505670065 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting operator < 1505670069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1505670081 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl f y a b = a y < 1505670082 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = (const .) . flip id < 1505670088 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this work? < 1505670097 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1505670107 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, the world, and the math are mistaken < 1505670125 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe t -> (t -> p) -> p -> p < 1505670125 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = < 1505670125 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : case a of < 1505670125 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing -> c < 1505670125 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just d -> b d < 1505670136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @pl @djinn Maybe t -> (t -> p) -> p -> p < 1505670136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (line 1, column 39): < 1505670136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '>' < 1505670136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting operator < 1505670187 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl really only knows abstraction and application and a few library functions < 1505670219 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://www.xkcd.com/298/ < 1505670221 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it sees f x y z = t, it turns that into f = \x y z -> t < 1505670286 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoogle probably knows the answer though < 1505670292 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Maybe t -> (t -> p) -> p -> p < 1505670293 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude maybe :: b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b < 1505670293 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe maybe :: b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b < 1505670293 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Strict.Maybe maybe :: b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b < 1505670420 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In https://www.xkcd.com/298/ , did black hat deliberately say "so cute" with a heart-shaped letter "o"? < 1505670431 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old XKCD < 1505670452 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rock < 1505670453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505670453 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xkcd < 1505670454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd ([ɪkskɑsede]) is a webcomic that updates every M/W/F. < 1505670455 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xkcq < 1505670456 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505670552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53085&oldid=52862 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+301) 10 < 1505670970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hammer < 1505670971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505671005 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505671121 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505671389 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505671391 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> if x then y else z < 1505671392 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :if' < 1505671418 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1505671419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's the one bit of haskell syntax beyond application and abstraction I know about that @pl actually parses. < 1505671430 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the treatment is a bit... silly. < 1505671449 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x < 1505671449 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1505671452 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if' is not a standard operator) < 1505671458 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x {- hi -} < 1505671458 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1505671476 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it parses comments, unlike some modules < 1505671493 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> a {- hi -} < 1505671494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1505671498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> a < 1505671498 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = a < 1505671522 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind a -> a {- hi -} < 1505671524 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Not in scope: type variable ‘a’ < 1505671524 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Not in scope: type variable ‘a’ < 1505671565 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1505671577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind foreach a. a -> a < 1505671580 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1505671580 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal symbol '.' in type < 1505671580 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant to write 'forall . '? < 1505671589 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind forall a. a -> a < 1505671591 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1505671598 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn forall a. a -> a < 1505671599 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = a < 1505671606 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind forall a. a -> a {- hi -} < 1505671609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1505671611 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn forall a. a -> a {- hi -} < 1505671612 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1505671633 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical. it's a malicious djinn that tries to interpret every comment you say as a wish. < 1505671722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, Jim! Look what I found! A real wish-fulfilling djinn!" "Jim is looking, your wish is fulfilled. Goodbye." < 1505671757 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fulfilling/granting/ < 1505671762 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505671805 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505671809 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1505671869 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505671902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505671929 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505671960 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505672376 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505672902 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@pool-173-61-30-116.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505673146 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505673302 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505673674 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505674700 0 :Cale!~cale@70.42.26.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505675663 0 :Cale!~cale@70.42.26.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505675793 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I dreamt in a hotel someone had just exited an elevator on the third floor and I entered the same one intend to go to the fourth floor, but the only button was one labeled "Elevator" (there was no open/close button either) < 1505675806 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505676165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that button take the elevator to its own position? < 1505676189 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lenguage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53086 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+210) 10question about Lenguage < 1505676211 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it took it to a secret floor. < 1505676280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lenguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53087&oldid=53086 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+98) 10forgot to sign < 1505676383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In there they had some other elevators, but there seem no call button, but I figured out, the elevators are called by attempting to pry open the doors by hand. Inside these elevators they have two sets of floor buttons, as well as open, close, alarm, telephone, cellular phone, two diamonds, and four arrows (up, down, left, right). < 1505676515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do the diamonds do? < 1505676562 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1505676644 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one hollow diamond and one filled diamond) < 1505676765 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505676798 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: secret floor like https://www.xkcd.com/288/ ? < 1505676880 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like the space station in Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator? < 1505676982 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not like those thing < 1505677304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505677304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1505677304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505678036 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solid diamond is probably a secondary shift key, for extra functions with fewer keys. That's how the symbol is used on one of the brands of programming calculators. < 1505678053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which brand is that? < 1505678237 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI. newer TI programmable calculators like TI-89 < 1505678341 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this seems like a new feature, the previous TI programmables didn't have it. < 1505678431 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't explain what the hollow diamond does though. < 1505678494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My TI-92 calculator also has a solid diamond like that too < 1505678518 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the TI-92 and the TI-89 are very similar < 1505678545 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same generation, one of them just has a bigger keypad with a qwerty alphabetic set of keys < 1505679310 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505680046 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lenguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53088&oldid=53087 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+162) 10 < 1505681722 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505681733 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505681809 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Quern was pretty good, though also a tad buggy... savegames don't store all state, with consequences ranging from annoying (having to redo something that you had already done) to, in one case just before the end of the game, closing a door that you cannot open again, locking you in and making the game impossible to finish. (This is the Linux version, but that really shouldn't matter... < 1505681815 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...(unity engine).) ) < 1505681846 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you know glitches about saving games? < 1505681846 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: in this fallacy, t-rex? < 1505681876 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e < 1505681885 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get Psychonauts when it was free the other day? < 1505681909 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw that, but there was no point. < 1505681933 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I already own a copy, have played it through a few years ago.) < 1505681934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No point? < 1505681938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1505682029 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other games also have some glitches about saving games (once someone complained about a MegaZeux game they were making where the robots started moving in the wrong direction if the quicksave key is pushed; since I have previously examined the MegaZeux source codes (in order to modify it, mainly), I have been able to identify exactly which subroutine is causing this problem). < 1505682086 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some VMs are designed to avoid problems with save games, and/or may just have their own save game function anyways (MegaZeux does this). RogueVM is my own design and one of its feature is specifically the design to avoid problem with save games. < 1505682108 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1505682108 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1505682119 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, savegame glitches are popular. Ones where some of the state isn't restored when you reload are the easiest, but there are also crazy ones people get by interrupting the save to slow eprom on older game consoles that didn't make the saves atomic.. < 1505682120 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google haskell < 1505682122 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.haskell.org/ < 1505682151 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I wasn't doing a speedrun :P < 1505682182 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor was I trying to root my PC.) < 1505682245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike Z-machine, RogueVM has "display segments", so it is like having video memory, but it isn't actually video memory but rather normal memory that uses a display program to display it, if the display bit is set for that segment.) < 1505682309 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like RogueVM? < 1505682653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1505682671 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do YOU like this? < 1505682700 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like this? < 1505682773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the save glitches can help complete the game easier even if you're not speedrunning. Although it can feel like cheating. There's a particularly easy one save glitch in the Commander Keen series that lets you skip many of the levels. < 1505682953 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the second trilogy only.) < 1505682998 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's quite funny, basically it forgets to save or restore the fact that you're dead, so you save when you're dead and reload and end up in an undead state.) < 1505683081 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a similar vein, Keen can see what is offscreen by saving his game" -- I think that's the only one I knew < 1505683140 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Moon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53089&oldid=47024 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+395) 10still working on hellborne? < 1505683181 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many computer games I have played you can save game, but if you do the restoring is at the beginning of that level (with your score, arrows, etc as they were at the start of the level). Some game (such as Apogee's Arctic Adventure) will automatically do that for you (and actually only allows saving on the map anyways). < 1505683202 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure seems to have a bug; if you save on a bonus level, it restores on the wrong level. < 1505683252 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505684008 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505684629 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb furry artists draw themselves hanging from power cables https://2.bp.blogspot.com/O65fmrug_jnuU7HDonP2MllLQBJ_hF3G1QF4Fxf1KPUlWcs5tUBkhh1YfLwihBd_NMyd7xOniMUY=s0 < 1505684650 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :without realizing how power cables work and why birds can do it and why cows can't < 1505685275 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WCDA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53090&oldid=53079 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10/* JavaScript interpreter (7 bytes) */ is now 6 bytes < 1505685334 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: . o O ( she should should probably lose some weight before trying that trick ) < 1505685480 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505685494 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I look at things like that and remember how good I have it. < 1505685517 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505685538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then people who draw that should learn better; you can write to them such notice < 1505685560 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that does look like she's sitting on just one wire, not multiple wires. and cows supposedly can't even go down a stairs or something. < 1505685798 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the authors of that tetris-in-GoL thing accomplished their goal is nothing short of amazing. < 1505685828 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mulitple metapixels following different rules.. damn. < 1505685925 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505686202 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505686207 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505686243 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CEE6.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505686268 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1505686296 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505686792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is ? I have received attempts to my server (from 88.116.57.10) attempting to relay mail to them (always rejected). < 1505686805 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I have not seen such thing? < 1505686879 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/11880/build-a-working-game-of-tetris-in-conways-game-of-life < 1505686887 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy. < 1505686955 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks < 1505687180 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505687190 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, fizzie < 1505687192 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see < 1505687631 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505688002 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505688847 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505689019 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505690812 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505691755 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505692802 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1505692820 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505693072 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505693571 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505693682 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505693695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505695002 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505697605 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505700162 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least SOMEBODY made a good fighter combat game for PC even if it wasn't bandai namco < 1505700323 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it have been bandai namco? < 1505700371 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: they make ace combat series < 1505700416 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only title for PC is "ace combat assault horizon" which is total crap < 1505700453 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/app/242130/ < 1505700498 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently somebody made a proper recreation of the classic ace combat games < 1505700510 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505702885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505703577 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505703757 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505704074 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505705003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does bash believe that the only files I will want to open with Firefox are HTML files? It isn't; sometimes I want to load PDF files, SVG files, and sometimes even plain text files (mainly for printing), too. < 1505705078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because Firefox is often called a "web browser". < 1505705099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I also use it for PDF (since I don't have another program for PDF) < 1505705116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the authors of the computer code that things you only want to open HTML files have never used Firefox. < 1505705133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only made their decision based on the one-line description of the program. < 1505705157 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably alter it easily enough, although still there it is. < 1505705190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people who make it should learn better; you can write to them such notice < 1505705239 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bash, it's whoever writes the default completions < 1505705241 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who made that part of the code < 1505705257 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash completions are customizable < 1505705259 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :though very arcane < 1505705271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Yes, but I thought they were written by the same people < 1505705280 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1505705284 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try not to assume that sort of thing < 1505705288 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a separate package on debian < 1505705321 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, I did not know that < 1505705831 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible to make bash completions for some commands to be able to use SQL queries for the completions? (I have a shell script where this would be useful) < 1505705872 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505705872 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1505705913 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1505705921 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can call arbitrary binaries < 1505705936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's just a bash function. < 1505706163 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically the following SQL query is what I use: select moz_bookmarks.title from moz_places, moz_bookmarks on moz_places.id = moz_bookmarks.fk where not hidden; I use it with another shell script which makes a different SQL query on the same database in order to load Firefox with the named bookmark as the loaded URL. (I name all of my bookmarks with single words making them easily to type) < 1505706674 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What database software do you like, other than sqlite? < 1505706845 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite is all I use for databases < 1505706960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505706989 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about for distributed systems? < 1505707003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :halercah < 1505707008 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505707016 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use that < 1505707023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any good scalable open-source databases that aren't key-value stores? < 1505707065 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but you could write a driver to use them with SQLite4 perhaps, if you want to use a key-value store as a SQL database. < 1505707149 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think SQLite4 does support shard keys, in case you need that feature.) < 1505707160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1505707186 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hachaf < 1505707287 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation describes how that is working. Any columns which are the keys are stored as part of the key using such an encoding so that a binary sort will sort them in the correct order. The table number is also stored at the beginning of the key, using a variable integer encoding. < 1505707584 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was reading about how cockroachdb was implementing SQL recently, https://www.cockroachlabs.com/blog/sql-in-cockroachdb-mapping-table-data-to-key-value-storage/ < 1505707590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the name of that company. < 1505707593 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505707597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do my best not to use their product because of the name. < 1505707947 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505708122 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is different than what SQLite4 does. < 1505708413 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also think if you hate it due to their name, that is not a very good reason to avoid using it. However, you may have other reasons to use or don't use it, which can be OK.) < 1505708501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's pretty much the main reason. < 1505708528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they nearly fail and are forced by their investors to chang their name. < 1505708655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is your choice to use or don't, but in my opinion it is not a very good reason. (I also don't hate their name, but even if so, isn't the very good reason, unless perhaps you are also using another program with the same name and makes it confusing.) < 1505708694 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just don't like cockroaches. < 1505708848 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505708941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the SQLite4 description http://sqlite.org/src4/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki < 1505709199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like SQL? < 1505709211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you designed another database query language? < 1505709250 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not designed another one; I think SQL is OK (there are some things that are difficult with it, but mostly it is OK) < 1505709274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Scow Query Language < 1505709293 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL is not so bad. But I think it's possible to do much better probably. < 1505709318 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you are correct; I don't know < 1505709352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it depends on the application. < 1505709591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL seems good for querying SQL databases and also CSV and similar stuff, although to query something such as a RDF graph will be difference < 1505711219 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505711505 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505712289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1505712316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505714722 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505715199 0 :pancaked!48823cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.130.60.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505715206 0 :pancaked!48823cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.130.60.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1505717709 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505717969 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505718092 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505720759 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505721058 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505721342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505721880 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505722490 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505722571 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505723173 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505723684 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505723883 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505725317 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505726368 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505727889 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie, I'm not sure if you're around here. do you know any way of setting up the locale inside umlbox? < 1505728505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505729362 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505729444 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505729637 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505729809 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505729910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :kurolox: The same way you'd do it outside, pretty much. The kernel isn't really involved. On HackEgo we call essentially "umlbox env LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 X" to run X. < 1505729954 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so env changes are permanent inside the sandbox? < 1505730042 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what "permanent" means this context. It works the same way as always, children inherit the environment from the parent. < 1505730062 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean this. https://i.imgur.com/DIRXDjL.png < 1505730095 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the locale between umlbox and the host are quite different. < 1505730096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we just wrap every execution inside env. < 1505730114 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the "X" part of "env LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 X". < 1505730137 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, when someone says `foo, we run env LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 foo. (Omitting some details here.) < 1505730137 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay. Now I understand. < 1505730156 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I was thinking that you were trying to run a X session with umlbox, not that X was "insert whatever here" < 1505730173 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a coffee < 1505730188 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505730198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of saying instead, but was wary of '<'s and '>'s. < 1505730230 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks for the help. < 1505730476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a more "direct" way of setting environment in umlbox in that the init binary's configuration file format has an 'env' command, but I don't think the stock umlbox script ever uses that. < 1505730570 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505731768 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505732219 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's not bash's beleif, that's the belief of debian who wrote all those crazy custom completion scripts. I start by disabling those. < 1505733366 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505733428 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuqejsljqjmivvsb JOIN :#esoteric < 1505735369 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505735447 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-10.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505735454 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-10.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks < 1505735600 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505735867 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@175.red-88-4-61.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505735972 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuqejsljqjmivvsb PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo < 1505737635 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a82b:e69c:24b9:f74a JOIN :#esoteric < 1505737820 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505738062 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505740662 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D8A4.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505741761 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505741935 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1505742536 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505743130 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505743410 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505743833 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:11b7:9a32:2fe3:1e96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505744324 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505744353 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505745523 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505746985 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brevity < 1505746987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syn. "shortness" < 1505746992 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? terseness < 1505746993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terseness? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505747771 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1505749786 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google lambdabot < 1505749788 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot < 1505752581 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505752945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53091&oldid=53085 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1764) 10 < 1505753270 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp dome < 1505753279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredome:The Boredome is a dangerous place swarming with woodpeckers, dentists, and bookworms. \ wisdome:The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". < 1505753339 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sphere is just a bidome < 1505753856 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sphere < 1505753857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sphere? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505753857 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bidome < 1505753858 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bidome? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505753873 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505753912 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1505753968 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1505754018 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505754279 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505754280 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.65 QUIT :Changing host < 1505754280 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505754849 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505754878 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what was the last olist? < 1505754918 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505755005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1099 < 1505755006 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1099: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1505755398 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505755766 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505755965 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505756011 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505756191 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505756594 0 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Russia helps the United States run the International Space Station. Other countries also help with the space station. But only Russian spacecraft carry people to it right now." -- NASA official website < 1505774312 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: using that language? :-D < 1505774532 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505774572 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505774825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505774833 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505775550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.186 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505775873 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a site for kids < 1505776017 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a WaPo writer was disciplined for criticizing jeff bezos < 1505776048 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505776268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505776268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1505776268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505777008 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505777346 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505777554 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505777572 0 :pancaked!48823cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.130.60.184 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1505777578 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505777756 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505778001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505778028 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505778640 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505778989 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53094&oldid=53091 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1) 10/* Instruction opcodes */ < 1505779457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505779597 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53095&oldid=53094 5* 03B jonas 5* (+316) 10 < 1505779660 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1505779666 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:spaghetti stack//A spaghetti stack is the most edible data structure. \ doublethink//Doublethink is the ability to hold the right belief. 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There be balrogs. < 1505779822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits match < 1505779833 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocöc < 1505779928 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c41c:e5d5:a97:8825 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505780543 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505780562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53096&oldid=53095 5* 03B jonas 5* (+169) 10/* Instruction opcodes */ < 1505780666 0 :Cale!~cale@209.226.201.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505780842 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505781225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53097&oldid=53096 5* 03B jonas 5* (+168) 10 < 1505781507 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505781747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505782097 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505782299 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505783874 0 :Bowserinator!?@? 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NICK :Bowserinator < 1505784420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprints doublethink < 1505784420 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cwlprints: not found < 1505784423 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits doublethink < 1505784431 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän int-̈e < 1505784638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( goes well with a triple latte ) < 1505785018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like avocado toast too < 1505785037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international brig for esoteric programming language design and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1505785046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arr) < 1505785094 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really have a relationship with avocado outside guacamole, which i haven't had for ages. < 1505785171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't had toast for ages either, i think < 1505785236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly not since i moved, or even longer < 1505785293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my favorite restaurant until 2010 had a nice eggs, toast and sausages lunch, though) < 1505785351 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omelettes < 1505786778 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505786886 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505786909 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505787170 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505787215 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505787643 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505787868 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505789796 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1505790032 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505792826 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505792904 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/show/rs-193-eric-jonas-on-could-a-neuroscientist-understand-a-mic.html < 1505794062 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-163-44-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1505794109 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505795003 0 :Cale!~cale@2601:86:1:cf5b:fdfb:8b07:ac1a:9788 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505795731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1505798427 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505799570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505799970 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505800575 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505801227 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505801608 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505803042 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505803216 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505804590 0 :Cale!~cale@2601:86:1:cf5b:fdfb:8b07:ac1a:9788 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505804618 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505804723 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804723 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :Hooloovo0!~Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804724 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :*.net *.split < 1505804737 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505804738 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505804739 0 :Hoolootwo!znc@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505804742 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1505804751 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505804829 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? 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NICK :MiGR0S1911 < 1505858939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else here read Matt Levine? < 1505858961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be mllist < 1505858966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/mlist < 1505858973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3908:2013-10-14 revert \ 3907:2013-10-14 rm bin/*list \ 2484:2013-03-22 chmod +x bin/*list \ 2481:2013-03-21 mv *list bin/ \ 2432:2013-03-14 rm bin/?*list \ 2418:2013-03-12 revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 revert 2243 \ 2356:2013-03-03 echo "echo S < 1505858983 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat bin/mlist < 1505858992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2355:2013-03-03 echo "Seeing a philosopher" > bin/mlist; chmod +x bin/mlist \ 2356:2013-03-03 echo "echo Seeing a philosopher" > bin/mlist; chmod +x bin/mlist \ 2417:2013-03-12 revert 2243 \ 2418:2013-03-12 revert 2416 \ 2432:2013-03-14 rm bin/?*list \ 2481:2013-03-21 mv *list < 1505859013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1505859044 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505859333 0 :MiGR0S1911!?@? NICK :erkin < 1505859505 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505860673 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505861141 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505862375 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505863859 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505864288 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1905@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.5 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505864805 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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Bad card? Too expensive/cheap? Too rarely useful? < 1505878460 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought of that card before. < 1505878469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the one I thought of said "until end of turn". < 1505879967 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that "most-recently added" vary as the stack changes as I intended, or is it more static? < 1505880109 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.2.43.195 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505883243 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505886823 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505889298 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505889304 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505889380 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MFW his name is apparently worf not wharf < 1505890948 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505891068 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505891071 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505891855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505892661 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505895588 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505896197 0 :ambrus!b03f1938@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505896304 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1505897069 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505897477 0 :ambrus!b03f1938@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.56 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505898173 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505899220 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505900091 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a strange dream where there was a voice-controlled gas stove on display in a home appliance store after closing time, and it kept burning with a jumpy big yellow flame since someone shouted a command to it through the window pane. < 1505900194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know this dream is unrealistic, because (1) flame would be blue, not yellow, (2) there would be multiple small blue flames, you get a big uneven flame only if the burner is dirty from cooking, and they wouldn't display a dirty stove, < 1505900226 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) they don't actually connect the appliances on display into the water and gas supply, they just display them in an inert state. < 1505900303 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the dream gets more believable as I keep thinking about it though. Yes, a store would manage to import a spectacularly unsafe home appliance. Yes, they would be able to get a qualified gas technician to install it. < 1505900362 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505900398 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm too afraid to search on the internet whether this exists. I'd probably find even instructions for how to log into it through wifi with the hard-coded admin password and what commands you can send to it that way. < 1505900779 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505901012 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505901026 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505901558 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and unfortunately my company is in that sort of business... < 1505901730 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is entirely possible one day code i write will partially be responsible for such an incident < 1505901927 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the code on such a device should, theoretically have safeguards < 1505902077 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's the hardware that should have safeguards. and even if it were done safely, a voice-activated stove sounds like a really bad idea. just imagine cleaning it with a kid around. < 1505902141 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I know there's some market for houses that are horribly unsafe for kids.) < 1505902922 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505904008 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505906555 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505908065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1505909098 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505910671 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505911971 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505912932 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505916913 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505919231 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505932672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1505932672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505933999 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505934152 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D1F1.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505934241 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1505934349 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505935074 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505935588 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1505936224 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp impost[eo]r < 1505936232 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1505936279 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( everybody else is an impostor, too ) < 1505936585 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505936946 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@sorunome.de QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1505936955 0 :Hoolootwo!znc@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1505937039 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1505937670 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imposteor? < 1505938420 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505938524 0 :rottytooth!26609942@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505941312 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D1F1.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505941583 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505941878 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.65.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505943345 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505943437 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: what graphical presentation do you have so far? < 1505943441 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505943450 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505943466 0 :Antoxyde__!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505943491 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1505943927 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:844e:5c4b:58a6:3979:fd0d:c539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505944660 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505946621 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505947193 0 :Antoxyde__!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505947217 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505947486 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.65.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1505947756 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505947844 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Magic: the Gathering have any cards that create tokens (or otherwise place abilities on other permanents) which refer back to the original card by name? < 1505947886 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical example is if Pentavus had been written with the following ability: < 1505947895 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505947917 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1), Remove a +1/+1 counter from Pentavus: Create a 1/1 colorless Pentavite artifact creature token with flying. It has "(1), Sacrifice Pentavite: Put a +1/+1 counter on Pentavus." < 1505947986 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/cbn//card-by-name "$@" < 1505947989 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/cbn < 1505947999 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn pentavus < 1505948000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentavus \ 7 \ Artifact Creature -- Construct \ 0/0 \ Pentavus enters the battlefield with five +1/+1 counters on it. \ {1}, Remove a +1/+1 counter from Pentavus: Create a 1/1 colorless Pentavite artifact creature token with flying. \ {1}, Sacrifice a Pentavite: Put a +1/+1 counter on Pentavus. \ MRD-R, HOP-R, M12-R, C14-R, DDF-R < 1505948277 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:844e:5c4b:355f:a8be:ec5a:287c JOIN :#esoteric < 1505948352 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm pondering how easy it would be to implement combinator calculus as Magic cards. < 1505948428 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:844e:5c4b:58a6:3979:fd0d:c539 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505948723 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:844e:5c4b:355f:a8be:ec5a:287c QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1505948832 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505949095 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505949107 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. Artifact Creature - Equipment. Whenever I becomes attached to a creature, exile that creature, then I becomes a copy of that creature. < 1505949119 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505949142 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K. Artifact Creature - Equipment. Whenever K becomes attached to a creature, exile that creature, then K loses this ability and gains "Whenever K becomes attached to a creature, exile that creature, then K becomes a copy of the first exiled creature." < 1505949169 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505949320 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W. Artifact Creature - Equipment. Whenever W becomes attached to a creature, exile that creature, then W loses this ability and gains "Whenever W becomes attached to a creature, exile that creature, then W becomes a copy of the first exiled creature, then create a copy of the second exiled creature, then attach W to that copy. Whenever W becomes a copy of another creature, create a copy of the second exiled creature, then attach W to that copy." < 1505949322 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1505949332 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that would even work at all. < 1505950285 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what about a card that creates tokens that do nothing < 1505950306 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except exist < 1505950385 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: gutter grime < 1505950492 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn gutter grime < 1505950493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutter Grime \ 4G \ Enchantment \ Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, put a slime counter on Gutter Grime, then create a green Ooze creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of slime counters on Gutter Grime." \ ISD-R < 1505950541 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a card like: < 1505950602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gambler's rage \ R \ instant \ Destroy target counter. < 1505950684 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505950691 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there are a few cards that just remove counters, yeah < 1505950696 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn heart of oceans < 1505950697 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1505950702 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn chisei, heart of oceans < 1505950703 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chisei, Heart of Oceans \ 2UU \ Legendary Creature -- Spirit \ 4/4 \ Flying \ At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Chisei, Heart of Oceans unless you remove a counter from a permanent you control. \ BOK-R < 1505950708 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that exact match :( < 1505950789 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are other commands. < 1505950793 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ls bin/*card* < 1505950794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1505950802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*card*a < 1505950803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/*card*a: No such file or directory < 1505950806 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1505950808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*card* < 1505950809 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/card-by-name \ bin/random-card < 1505950825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card heart of oceans < 1505950826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chisei, Heart of Oceans \ 2UU \ Legendary Creature -- Spirit \ 4/4 \ Flying \ At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Chisei, Heart of Oceans unless you remove a counter from a permanent you control. \ BOK-R < 1505950836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/rc//random-card "$@" < 1505950838 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/rc < 1505950859 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there don't seem to be any cards that "destroy target creature token" < 1505950874 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but there is < 1505950880 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn aether snap < 1505950881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aether Snap \ 3BB \ Sorcery \ Remove all counters from all permanents and exile all tokens. \ DST-R, C14-R < 1505950903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rc dogged hunter < 1505950903 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogged Hunter \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Nomad \ 1/1 \ {T}: Destroy target creature token. \ OD-R < 1505950936 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I must be using a crappy card searching method < 1505950940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or using it wrong < 1505950999 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was using it wrong... obviously there are no cards with "destroy target creature token" in the name < 1505951085 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn aether snap < 1505951086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aether Snap \ 3BB \ Sorcery \ Remove all counters from all permanents and exile all tokens. \ DST-R, C14-R < 1505951089 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lol < 1505951106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would hilariously confusing to have a card named Target Creature though < 1505951173 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amazing < 1505951204 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an un card < 1505951234 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whenever a player casts a spell that targets a single creature, change its target to Target Creature." < 1505951247 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was < 1505951249 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505951253 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbn creature guy < 1505951253 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creature Guy \ 3G \ Creature -- Beast \ 3/3 \ Gotcha -- Whenever an opponent says "Creature" or "Guy," you may say "Gotcha!" If you do, return Creature Guy from your graveyard to your hand. \ UNH-U < 1505951294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rc trample < 1505951295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil \ 8BB \ Creature -- Demon Child \ 8/8 \ Flying, first strike, trample \ If you say "I'm coming, too!" as you search your library, you may pay {1}{B} and reveal Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil from your library to have it deal 2 damage to a player of your choice. Do this no more than once each turn. < 1505951843 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4712:4430:c46c:e61f:1abe:40e3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505951973 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505952133 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505952244 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505952497 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4712:4430:c46c:e61f:1abe:40e3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505952886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505953401 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1505953712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505954581 0 :pdxleif_!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505955781 0 :tswett!~tswett@167.73.32.65 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505956630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language where it's common for e.g. variable names to contain spaces? < 1505956679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :algol maybe? < 1505956694 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr it allows spaces < 1505956968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Algol? < 1505956991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I mean a language where it's actually common, not just idiomatic. < 1505957041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/comp455/Algol60.pdf doesn't seem to mention it, anyway. < 1505957408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1505957648 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rc rj < 1505957649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arjun, the Shifting Flame \ 4UR \ Legendary Creature -- Sphinx Wizard \ 5/5 \ Flying \ Whenever you cast a spell, put the cards in your hand on the bottom of your library in any order, then draw that many cards. \ C15-M < 1505957661 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1505957662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the indecipherable is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He thrice punned without noticing it. < 1505957687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/indecipherable/shifting flame/ < 1505957689 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifting flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He thrice punned without noticing it. < 1505957765 0 :pdxleif_!?@? NICK :pdxleif < 1505957808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/shifting/shifty/ < 1505957811 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He thrice punned without noticing it. < 1505957967 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag oerjan | grep thrice < 1505957975 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1505957982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag oerjan | grep thr < 1505957987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1505957988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1505957992 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg oerjan | grep thrice < 1505958001 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11156:2017-08-18 slwd oerjan//s/twice/thrice/ < 1505958152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hereby shifty the blame to boily < 1505958326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53:55 helloily. well the logs perviously spoke of child porn. < 1505958338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:54:04 * oerjan decided not to fix that misspelling. < 1505958344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that you did notice it. < 1505958379 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to discuss that with boily hth < 1505958394 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/thrice/twice/ < 1505958397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1505958416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi < 1505958418 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I downgraded oerjan to twice punned, because he did notice the pun. < 1505958418 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1505958559 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505958583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1505958588 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:hand//A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird. \ it'//It's written with an apostrophe. \ rincewind//Rincewind is a wizzard. He likes potatoes. \ finland//Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. \ overflow//Overflow is a phenomenon that < 1505958604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1505958605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: occurs when too much water pours into the inner tanks of a hydraulic computer. < 1505958789 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505960411 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505960666 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1505960714 0 :Ackack!bd223c91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.189.34.60.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505962152 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505962454 0 :Ackack!bd223c91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.189.34.60.145 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505962761 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1505962908 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505962926 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505965914 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1505967239 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:c122:d34e:5d78:b167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505967522 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nambia! < 1505967819 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:c122:d34e:5d78:b167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505968274 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505968998 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505970542 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ephedrine is my favorite amine! < 1505970574 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? amine < 1505970576 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amine? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505970580 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? anime < 1505970582 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anime? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1505972554 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505976782 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505976845 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-10.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :King of the Hill is my favorite anime < 1505976890 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-10.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork : One color for the probability of the state and two dots for the phase < 1505977127 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1505978317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1505978377 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depth Perception works in VR because the headset gives a parallax effect, so objects that you should perceive as closer to you are rendered in different positions on each screen (closer to the middle- near your nose) < 1505978417 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closer they should be, the closer they are together on the screens < 1505978457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're in the same position on each screen, you perceive them abstractly as "far away"- effectively infinite, really, even though it really isn't < 1505978480 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... what happens if they're farther apart? Where does your brain perceive them to be when you look?? < 1505978520 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505978597 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505978902 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505978905 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1505978937 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505979348 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505981481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505983347 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505984902 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505986473 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505987460 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505988519 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know if PDFs of The C Users Journal are available anywhere. archive.org only has the March 1994 issue. < 1505989910 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505990548 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505990565 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505990876 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1505990986 0 :sdhandsucks!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1505991001 0 :sdhandsucks!?@? 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#esoteric :CANADA IS IN AN ANIME https://youtu.be/a822uufNGlw < 1506021601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53100&oldid=53080 5* 03Zseri 5* (+394) 10+Version 2 < 1506021802 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the most disorienting sensation of /why?/ until I saw that it was sponsored by the canadian tourism board < 1506021922 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506022191 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506022233 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506022487 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506023497 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506024988 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506025130 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506025308 0 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timeout: 240 seconds < 1506029764 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506030288 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brandonson: they put canada in an anime < 1506030505 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506030620 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506031715 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506032017 0 :Havde!~Havde_@55.92-220-69.customer.lyse.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506032205 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506034059 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-thfsogypdwfjvlzc QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506034559 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506034872 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yjbzwemnvckcsvxt JOIN :#esoteric < 1506035404 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently shift-space scrolls one page upwards in my browser (I just pressed it by accident then tried to figure out what had happened) < 1506042762 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@guest-nat.fw1.untrust.mtv2.mozilla.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506043994 0 :Antoxyde__!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-455-224.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506044792 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506045633 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506045856 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506046801 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506046967 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506047007 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506048534 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506048916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hypercube for esoteric programming language design and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1506049222 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506049376 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506049601 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506050016 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506050055 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506051979 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506052013 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506052082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does that. And web pages that override space to do their own scrolling hardly ever remember to override shift-space. Very annoying. < 1506052358 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506052359 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506052386 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :web pages are _able_ to override navigation keys. Very meta-annoying. < 1506052582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that annoys me is how the proportion of web pages that use JavaScript is much, much higher than the proportion of web pages that actually need it < 1506052722 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microtransactions would solve that. Clients could charge the host a small fee for every line of script executed. < 1506052786 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is such a horrifically bad idea but I like it < 1506052787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems hard to implement in other ways < 1506052806 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good fix would be for search engines to penalise sites with unnecessary JS < 1506052822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Google will never do that as they're one of the main beneficiaries (adverts are a common use of unnecessary JavaScript) < 1506052833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Google Analytics is another) < 1506052836 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet you could get DDG to do it < 1506052850 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wrote the code, I guess < 1506052925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duckduckgo can't easily give bonuses or penalties to sites, as they mostly don't run their own crawlers, but instead hire other engines' < 1506052997 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I see < 1506053078 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506054449 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PART #esoteric : < 1506054486 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506054564 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506054582 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit ctrl-w on the wrong tab < 1506054748 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506055063 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506056158 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506056162 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506057001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506057046 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506057817 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506058971 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506059321 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506059429 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506060204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506063873 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1506065241 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506065633 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506066015 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506067755 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506070154 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506070994 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506071101 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506071105 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506071161 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506071188 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506071219 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506071284 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1506071352 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506073350 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506073707 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506076548 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506076708 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506076837 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Thf772 5* 10New user account < 1506077027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506077580 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506077819 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506077917 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" something that annoys me is how the proportion of web pages that use JavaScript is much, much higher than the proportion of web pages that actually need it" => yes, and many of them use javascript that needs a huge computer to just run it < 1506077938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53101&oldid=53099 5* 03Thf772 5* (+735) 10/* Introducing Nathan/Eilisha Shiraini */ < 1506077942 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they keep changing existing sites to contain more and more performance hungry client-side scripting (youtube is a recent example for such a stupid change) < 1506078021 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but Google will never do that as they're one of the main beneficiaries (adverts are a common use of unnecessary JavaScript)" => the adverts don't actually need all that much javascript. you could practically do them with just iframes and no javascript, the javascript is only there to simplify it or size the iframe right or something. < 1506078044 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506078050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they shouldn't need the JavaScript; nonetheless, disabling JavaScript pretty much universally blocks adverts < 1506078059 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's unnecessary even in the adverts themselves < 1506078069 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's an attempt to track the users of the sites the adverts are on < 1506078084 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but at least most of the ads don't use javascript that needs a very powerful machine to run it, except for the ads on wikia < 1506078093 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506078094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the video ads on video sites < 1506078102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :video sharing sites < 1506078190 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, the javascript isn't really needed for tracking. you need the separate iframe for the ad because the ad is personalized and so google can't allow the individual websites to find out what ad they're serving for particular users, and iframes are practically the only way to solve this, < 1506078211 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once you have an iframe, that's more or less enough to track the users. < 1506078288 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want such complicated things as transferring all the mouse movements and all the characters you type in input fields even before you backspace or don't submit the form, which google could do with the javascript, but presumably if they did it too obviously, there'd be a strong backlash from the sites that show those ads. < 1506078344 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so google can only do it on their own sites, which is still quite important, with google search and gmail and youtube and their other big sites. < 1506078357 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506078362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, a question about google < 1506078386 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they hiding google scholar? it's not even in the "more" menu of the google search now, and it's been like this for years. < 1506078417 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also aren't discontinuing it, in fact they've improved it so it does a lot of personalized tracking, and recommends you articles connected to your articles, like the academic spambots do < 1506078458 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's still in their big "More" menu that lists all their sites, but that's a huge list few people read I think < 1506078508 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just in the selection bar for searches which has "All, Images, Videos, News, Maps, Books" and used to also have shopping blogs, scholar, code etc, some of them in a pulldown menu < 1506078538 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand when they discontinue a service, but I don't get why they keep running and improving a service but hiding it. < 1506078675 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their discontinued services include code hosting (probably got taken over by github and its kin), code search (this was very useful, but proably didn't bring much income), Square (I'm not sure if anyone used it much), and Wave (which was some kind of social communication thingy like Plus I think). < 1506078704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and shopping search is discontinued too. < 1506078731 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the moon and mars maps I think, but those were always just a joke. < 1506078806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those maps were pretty impossible by the way, they seemed to show higher resolution maps than space agencies ever scanned with their probes. I don't know how they got that data. < 1506079459 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1506080505 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506082907 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/belleveinvis/status/911172578831622144 ← this reminds me of the problem of overstriking… I guess one could argue ⿻ is a reasonable way to encode general-purpose overstriking < 1506082955 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, even outside of CJK glyphs < 1506083540 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506083577 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506085519 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506085639 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506085786 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506085878 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506086097 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506086700 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506087062 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506087223 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CD7A.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506088830 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506089523 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506089767 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506090045 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506090165 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1506090909 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506091157 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506091841 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506092962 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506093261 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@128.93.82.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506095219 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506095229 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506096183 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506096305 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506096341 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506096908 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1506096925 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506097155 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1506097424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506097735 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506097777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53102 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+4145) 10Initial commit < 1506097853 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506098111 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506098368 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506100032 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506100211 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506100457 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506100501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506100520 0 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1506100554 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1506100555 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ per serving. Makes about 3 days and test with serving \ remaining remaining sugar mixture. Microwave each one casserole in cool \ sides. 3. In a large bowl, combine flour, cinnamon, cream and \ the corn drained rosemary seed. Sprinkle with ganzies. Add \ chicken in saucepan. Simmer for an hour. Prepare fruit of soup. Spread \ squares. \ < 1506100575 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1506100579 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1506100896 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506100950 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506101082 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CD7A.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506101630 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506101881 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506102923 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506103087 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506103417 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506103539 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5493:a419:b5bd:e57f JOIN :#esoteric < 1506103867 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5493:a419:b5bd:e57f QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506104005 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506105387 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506105436 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506106393 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506107315 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506107405 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a QUIT :Client Quit < 1506107414 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506107420 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1506107827 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506109186 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506109196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zseri14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53103&oldid=52989 5* 03Zseri 5* (+10) 10+XTW < 1506110758 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506110869 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone! am I right that algo in O(2^n) complexity is in P? or...? < 1506111002 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic, I think you are not right. Any polynomial in n tends to less than 2^n < 1506111020 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OK... so what class this could be? < 1506111051 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic, EXPTIME I Think < 1506111062 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks for the idea! < 1506111145 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is what I think. to solve SAT problem (in CNF) form, we can just brute force all variables. this is 2^variables steps in total. does it mean that bruteforcer is in EXPTIME? < 1506111167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GilDev 5* 10New user account < 1506111242 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic, that sounds right < 1506111257 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks < 1506111278 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know that SAT is in NP, however < 1506111310 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes. but EXPTIME and bruteforce is "slower" than usual SAT solver? < 1506111323 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1506111468 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1506111490 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506111951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53104&oldid=53101 5* 03GilDev 5* (+272) 10Presentation < 1506112474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53105&oldid=53072 5* 03GilDev 5* (-3) 10Fixed broken link < 1506112664 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree too many pages have scripts when they shouldn't have. (Sometimes it may be useful to verify form data, although it should never be a requirement, and the server should verify it too so that it work if script is not enabled.) < 1506112853 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506113612 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506113616 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1506116542 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimPPLe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53106 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+1914) 10Created page with "'''SimPPLe (Simple Probabilistic Programming Language)''' is a probabilistic programming language. Most programs written in this language, produce different results every time..." < 1506118046 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506119928 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.170.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506120036 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.0.170.47 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506120588 0 :Dr_Groove!~space@aylmpq0104w-lp130-06-74-12-211-228.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1506120604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506120702 0 :Dr_Groove!~space@aylmpq0104w-lp130-06-74-12-211-228.dsl.bell.ca PART #esoteric : < 1506120790 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :ErroneousNicknam < 1506120795 0 :ErroneousNicknam!?@? NICK :Erroneous_Nickna < 1506120799 0 :Erroneous_Nickna!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1506121762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506121906 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506123486 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506123486 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506124469 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506124469 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506124618 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506124677 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506124686 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506125421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: Mill talk on IPC in San Jose in a couple of weeks. < 1506125445 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaaa < 1506125454 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably can't make it but whoaaaaa < 1506125463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whoa, man < 1506125464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know? < 1506125503 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaaaaa < 1506126468 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506127208 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506127461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506127487 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506128740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506128809 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506129123 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506129351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506129420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506130337 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506130418 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506131212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506131264 0 :olsner_!?@? 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NICK :Nein < 1506135463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506135464 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506135465 0 :Nein!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1506135466 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506135631 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506135696 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506135732 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506135996 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506136092 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506136246 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One golf course in this computer game is "Par 3 Golf Course", but actually it is some par 4 also, and the total par is 60 < 1506136275 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to go golfing in the rain? < 1506137156 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506137224 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506137460 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1506137717 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried loading one DOS game on my Linux computer and now the level editor is not work properly. It won't save properly, but the game itself is otherwise working OK. < 1506137725 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong with it please? < 1506137813 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine on a real DOS computer. < 1506140145 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506140550 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506141073 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506141245 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506142096 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~Marcela_G@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara/x-7649558 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506142202 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1506142295 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@unaffiliated/marcela-gandara* < 1506142301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1506143369 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506143839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506145258 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506145535 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506146065 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506147409 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506147527 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1506147745 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506148526 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506148781 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506148956 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506149425 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506151777 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506151812 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1506152045 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506152191 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SimPPLe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53107&oldid=53106 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+54) 10 < 1506154232 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506155031 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506155202 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506155296 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506155379 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506155383 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a PART #esoteric : < 1506155428 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506155860 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506156302 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506156572 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is for some ungodly reason writing an ed-like text editor in Haskell
< 1506156778 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1506159251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506159566 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506160168 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506160430 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I create a language called brainfuarrrk? < 1506160491 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be an extensible brainf*ck < 1506160600 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea came to me now, because of a word filter, to add replace rules to brainfuck, which'd function similarly to functions or macros < 1506160648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lots of languages along those lines have been created already < 1506160655 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to look at the existing attempts for inspiration < 1506160666 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc that doesn't necessarily mean that you couldn't come up with something better < 1506160685 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1506160692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it doesn't take too much work to make replace rules Turing-complete on their own (see, e.g., /// or Thue) < 1506160707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you don't even need the BF part of the language < 1506160769 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the brainfuck part is practical < 1506160788 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think brainfuck can really be described as "practical" < 1506160819 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main impracticality in Thue is purely that it's bad at exchanging information < 1506160835 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not practical to write in but practical to interpret < 1506160873 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add anything that makes it capable of doing that, i.e. moving to a language like Retina, and suddenly you have something that's very powerful (from the point of view of "it's easy to see how to write programs in this") < 1506160913 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's surely easier to write a substitution language than a substitution + tape language? < 1506160952 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easyness doesn't bother me < 1506160980 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is still easy < 1506161023 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wad thinking of BF arithmetic the other day < 1506161069 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I came up with a new operator for repetition < 1506161089 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would substitute the loop rules < 1506161119 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it written down < 1506161268 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue looks great < 1506161322 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my substitutions would be on symbols though < 1506161356 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is thue bad at exchanging information? < 1506161465 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very hard to write a Thue program that takes a string of consonants followed by a string of vowels, and returns the same string with the two halves swapped (vowels first then consonants), for example < 1506161476 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even harder to write a program that takes a string of letters and reverses it < 1506161497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are possible, but much more difficult than they really should be, you have to write a very large number of cases < 1506161716 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1506161757 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… just thinking about this, a 2-dimensional Thue would be much better at this sort of thing < 1506161775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you could move the data round each other rather than through < 1506161795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bedtime < 1506161798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506162310 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I'd call the former tedious, not hard, since it's not difficult to implement a stable sort by swapping ) < 1506162367 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reversal otoh, hmm. that's not even possible without marking the end of the string somehow or using a new set of symbols for the result. < 1506162871 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible but tedious again < 1506163148 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure exactly how though, if there are no accumulators < 1506163261 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506163303 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1506163351 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506163666 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this... oh too late. http://sprunge.us/HiBR < 1506166411 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.67.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506166519 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506166641 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506167117 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.188.67.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506167399 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.189.74.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506169491 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@188.189.74.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506175229 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506175533 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506175590 0 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1506180171 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506180318 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506180621 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506180867 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506180996 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506181396 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506182709 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506183707 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506183826 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506185455 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506185978 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506188738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Essays14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53109 5* 03Zseri 5* (+82) 10Created page with "* [[Essays/A_Defence_of_Brainfuck_Derivatives|A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]]" < 1506190193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TEWNLSWAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53110&oldid=53066 5* 03Zseri 5* (+60) 10 < 1506190251 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506190668 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1506190824 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concept: function whose local variable scope is defined at creation, rather than run, time. the scope would be per-thread, avoiding race conditions, but a function would be able to access local variables it modified in an earlier call. < 1506190893 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that would also be reified scopes themselves - scopes would be objects containing (1) an associative array mapping local variable names to their values, and (2) a reference to the scope they were initialized in, which ties in with the above concept and naturally givers rise to closures. < 1506191780 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506191915 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506193107 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506193191 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why the norwegian.com website quotes me airplane tickets sometimes in USD and sometimes in GBP currency. I was logged in with the same account. < 1506193209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care whether they give me one or the other, but changing confuses me. < 1506193967 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1506194033 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised when it quoted me with tickets that seemed to cost 70% the price it gave a few days ago. Until I read the currency. < 1506194053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The price didn't actually change significantly. < 1506194098 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter what I pay in, because it's an online bank card payment, and the ban < 1506194106 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k charges very cheap rates for currency conversion for that. < 1506194239 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rates are very high for direct money transfer in any foreign currency, so even if I can nominally have an account containing foreign currency at the bank cheaply, I can't actually send it to anyone or pay with it or pretty much anything useful. < 1506194263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for just online payment with my HUF bank card with any currency they support, they convert cheaply. < 1506195378 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web design question. I want to add a spinner loading animation to my javascript website. I want it to be Coriolis-correct, so spin it counterclockwise on the north hemisphere, clockwise on the south hemisphere. What's the best way to autodetect the likely hemisphere of the user before he sets the option explicitly in his account? < 1506195432 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I can autodetect the user's preferred language from the Accept-Language HTTP header, but I don't know if there's a HTTP header or some javascript query for the user's hemisphere. < 1506195474 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need his full geographical location, and I understand that that would be more personal information that most of my users would be willing to share. < 1506196180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up a HTTP header for it and then try to detect based on the IP address if nobody sends that header < 1506198967 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506199017 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506199125 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506199208 0 :Cale_!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506199450 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506199632 0 :Cale__!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506199823 0 :Cale_!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506199857 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506199939 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayis! < 1506199945 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think your average web developer would use an existing geolocation system and then just round to hemisphere, plus provide a setting somewhere for overriding it for the inevitable misclassifications. < 1506199981 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't care what average web developers do. < 1506199983 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ok. < 1506200187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the commercial IP-based geolocation service providers has a "lite" version under CC BY-SA, I know that much. < 1506200277 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506200286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506201616 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506201665 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid top-posters repeating the whole email recursively rather than just the relevant bits. And the google mail interface actually encourages that stupid habit. < 1506201730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: so does Outlook < 1506201745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is probably more or less singlehandedly responsible for encouraging that sort of posting style < 1506201797 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Heirlom-Mailx myself, which also repeats the entire message but the reply message is on the bottom. < 1506201892 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: outlook doesn't encourage it as much as google mail. google mail actively hides quoted lines and sigs by default, both when composing a mail and when reading a mail, in the latter case agressively by looking up each line in the thread, which often has false positives. < 1506201914 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if the reply is above or below the new content, that's mostly irrelevant. < 1506201935 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating the entire message is fine, because I like deleting stuff, so repeating everything and then deleting most of it is more fun than copying just some lines. < 1506201984 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I even thought of an eso feature in a text editor where the only copy-paste feature is duplicating the whole contents of the buffer or appending a copy of a file to after a buffer, and then you just delete the range you don't need. < 1506202047 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would have to be supported by a feature where if you duplicate the buffer, the marks get corresponding marks created in the copy, and you can jump to either the original or the copy version of a mark easily as you wish. < 1506202330 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506202415 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does vim have the ability to copy marks from one buffer to another one? Does it have the ability to save marks to a file or load them from a file or pipe? < 1506202444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure if it has a built-in command for doing that, but I think its scripting language is powerful enough that you could write a command to do that < 1506202468 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really know. I don't know much about advanced vim. < 1506202483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a vim channel on freenode, you could try to ask there. < 1506203272 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506203719 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506204936 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.8 < 1506204939 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506205298 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! I'm helping someone on the internet in something I know nothing about but could track down info with some internet searches. And it's a person who could help me in my previous stupid queries. The internet works! < 1506205573 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuqejsljqjmivvsb PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vm01.unsoft.hu/~np/basic/latest/ptsvubas.cc < 1506205645 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1506207640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.65 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506207725 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506208469 0 :Cale_!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506208481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Charli9 5* 10New user account < 1506208666 0 :Cale__!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506208710 0 :Cale__!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506208760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53111&oldid=53104 5* 03Charli9 5* (+181) 10Introduced myself < 1506208777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53112&oldid=41876 5* 03Charli9 5* (+80) 10Added link to WIP compiler < 1506208926 0 :Cale_!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506208951 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506209228 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506209335 0 :Cale__!?@? NICK :Cale < 1506209551 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506210915 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506211806 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506213088 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506213146 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506213153 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1506213322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506213682 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506214776 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506215941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506216084 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506216904 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:d49b:e807:277:8838 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506216988 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506217110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Elronnd/brainfcuk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53113&oldid=50025 5* 03Elronnd 5* (+59) 10Updates. < 1506218735 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506220811 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506222026 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506222549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1506222965 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506223683 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are some X events going missing when reading by SDL? < 1506224288 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506224502 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506225032 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506225076 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it seems to be dropping events. Is it X or SDL that is doing that? < 1506225165 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506225890 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try to fix it anyways though < 1506225905 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506227192 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506227576 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506227736 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506227877 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506228335 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506229947 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506230787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding a call to usleep() in the program that sends the X events seems to help, but I am not sure why. < 1506230791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why? < 1506230804 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even 1 microsecond seems to be sufficient) < 1506230864 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506231125 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506231329 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506232367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it causes a context switch? < 1506232563 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know. The man page says "The sleep may be lengthened slightly by any system activity", and maybe it is related to that. < 1506232776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506234096 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506234385 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506236239 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506236568 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506237080 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was another problem, but now I fixed that other problem too. < 1506238731 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506239497 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506239654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glass14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53114&oldid=53112 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+23) 10Correct a link to a disambiguation page < 1506241661 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506241756 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506241937 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506243410 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506243425 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506243624 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1506243667 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506243872 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506245692 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506245723 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506245841 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the esolang wiki article about imaginary function < 1506245927 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506245937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506246241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1506246561 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what an imaginary function is
< 1506247023 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I don't know. But it look OK so far (assuming they are pure functions; otherwise I do not expect it work) < 1506247189 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506248781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506249808 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d416:1d2c:c4ce:2c0e JOIN :#esoteric < 1506250343 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506251359 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506251508 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506251549 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506253813 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506253893 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506254103 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506254305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506255774 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d416:1d2c:c4ce:2c0e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506258291 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506259953 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506259978 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1506259992 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1506260037 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading the copyright laws for Hungary, namely "http://net.jogtar.hu/jr/gen/hjegy_doc.cgi?docid=99900076.TV#pr215id" . This seems to explain why the legal terms in many of the free licenses are so long and complicated. < 1506260075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that link is in Hungarian, I'm unlikely to be able to understand it < 1506260086 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I'll tell more < 1506260086 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copyright laws in the UK are pretty complex too, though :-( < 1506260106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're usually unambiguous, although they also tend to disallow things in situations where other legal systems are ambiguous < 1506260110 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law regulates such copyright-related licenses that transfer rights regulated by the copyright law. It says how certain settings are defaulted if they're not mentioned in a license. < 1506260152 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the defaults are almost always such that they are less permissive for the receiver. < 1506260176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's standard < 1506260183 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, it says that the license can be given only for particular uses on praticular media, and only for uses known at the time I give the license; < 1506260194 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"default-all-rights-reserved" is a license name I refer to often for a reason < 1506260248 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the time length of the license defaults to whatever is usual for that type of work (this shouldn't be a problem for software, which is usually permanently licensed, it's there for licencing book publishing rights towards publishers, but note that it also gives specific rules for specific types of works), < 1506260302 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most importantly, it says that the license defaults to giving right to distribute the work only within Hungary, which is a problem because a lot of licenses (including the Gnu GPL 2 and Gnu GPL 3) doesn't say "global" or "any country" or anything about the location. < 1506260332 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law seems serious about this, because it clarifies how the location works for television received directly from a satellite broadcast. < 1506260386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this law is harmonized with international agreements, so the laws in other countries are probably similar, regardless all the crazy stuff the US does, some of which might actually contradict those international agreements they've supposedly agreed to. < 1506260416 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't think Hungary is the only place where this is a problem. < 1506260507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now trying to read stuff written by the FSF and the WMF Hungary (they have a form letter for asking permission for use from people who aren't familiar with Wikimedia projects, and it does mention some terms explicitly with the assumption that people don't actually read what the mentioned Creative Commons BY SA license says, but it doesn't say " < 1506260507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :global" either.) < 1506260527 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The CC BY SA license does say "global" by the way. It doesn't say for how long.) < 1506260533 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this is a legal oppinion. < 1506260568 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at the FSF's FAQ, and the fsf.hu wobsite, because they actually have lawyers paid, and might try to ask for a clarification from them in email if the FAQ doesn't answer me. < 1506260647 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the Gnu GPL, but it's still relevant for software already licensed under it, and, like I said, other copyright license agreements seem to be similar. The X11 license also doesn't mention a location or countries. < 1506260657 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1506260667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506260672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the specific situation which violates the spirit of the GPL? person A writes some GPLed code, person B (who is Hungarian) makes a modified copy and licenses it to person C (who is also Hungarian), person C makes another modified copy, but can't send it to non-Hungarians because it would violate B's license? < 1506260678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the simplest situation which causes a problem? < 1506260697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know yet. I'm trying to read up on this. < 1506260799 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest situation is probably when I send hu.Wikipedia's form letter in Hungarian to ask permission from someone to allow their work of art to be distributed under the CC BY SA license, they agree to that form letter without reading the long legal terms of the CC BY SA license, and then I, in Hungary, distribute that work of art to people outs < 1506260799 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ide Hungary. < 1506260800 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506260896 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a situation where it matters whether it's CC-by-sa or CC-by-sa-unported? < 1506260902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of this is regulated by a hundred other related laws, and I'm not a lawyer, and don't know anything about this anyway. < 1506260903 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally doesn't, but this strikes me as being potentially relevant < 1506260920 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a JOIN :#esoteric < 1506260965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when someone choses the non-default license, it's easier to assume that they've read the legal terms, rather than just the form letter and the lay summary, so they'll know that the CC licenses do explicitly say it's a "global" license to distribute etc. < 1506261068 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. I've distributed stuff under CC BY (the non-sharealike license), and have written arguments that something is public domain under the US copyright law because it was published before 1923 and so can be distributed on Commons. So I probably couldn't claim that I thought the CC BY license gave only permission in Hungary. < 1506261101 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the damned CC hides their legal terms on a separate page from their lay summary. < 1506261148 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want people to at least read the summary, I guess < 1506261162 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1506261190 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the CC license doesn't claim anywhere is that it doesn't expire. < 1506261197 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU license does say that it's permanent. < 1506261253 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both say that they're not arbitrarily revokable. < 1506261315 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also have to read what the Boost license FAQ says, because they also claim a lawyer was involved. < 1506261629 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506261734 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1506261822 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, do you recall that discussion on wikimedia projects about the lack of freedom of panorama in Sweden, which got to a courts decision, and people complained about the strange law that sometimes gives you the right to use something commercially but not to use it non-commercially? < 1506261838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1506262011 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can't find the details about that right now, sadly < 1506262116 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it turns out the copyright law of Hungary I linked also has one specific clause that smells like that, about using works of fine art (Mona Lisa) as set in television freely without attribution, unless that work of art is specifically intended to be used as a stage set or stage costume. < 1506262130 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not Mona Lisa, the copyright term of that one expired) < 1506262135 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but something like that) < 1506262334 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also wonder about the musical fountain in Margitsziget. It's playing recorded music from loudspeakers, automatically shoots jets of water with a coreography matching the music, and, after dusk, lights the water jets with colorful lights also according to a coreography. < 1506262385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"choreography" is one of those words which has a silent h for no apparent reason < 1506262387 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is weird sometimes < 1506262388 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like it's "permanently exhibited" because half of the songs it's playing now it's been playing for over five years multiple times a day. < 1506262498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think that's no apparent reason. That's a CH from latin from a greek chi, which is usually pronounced as a /k/ at the start of a word. Same as chemistry and chronometer and christianity. My big dictionary confirms it comes from a greek word, cognate with chorus. < 1506262551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm guessing it's for the same reason as chorus < 1506262573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, though, we pronounce it more like kappa than chi < 1506262597 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wonder what the freedom of panorama exception in the law says about videos of that musical fountain. That seems to depend on two things: (a) what does "panorama" mean, and (b) is the fountain covered by "a work of fine art, architecture or applied art". < 1506262686 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, I don't know about other people, but I personally never studied russian or german or greek or latin, and as a result I don't pronounce hard h properly in any word, I always just use either a "k" (at the start of words) or a "h" (inside words) regardless the source language. So I don't know what "more like a kappa than a chi" means. < 1506262719 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something about these greek origin words I wanted to find out. I should try to get back to that later. < 1506262823 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the greek words themselves, but how we use them now. < 1506263112 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also. Now I understand why libraries put limitations on photocopying or photographing their books for personal only non-commercial use. < 1506263171 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law actually says that I'm allowed (with certain conditions) to make copies of parts of books for personal use, but also that even then I'm not allowed to copy an *entire* book even that way except by typewriter or handwriting. < 1506263275 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It still seems I am still allowed to copy entire books when their copyright protection has expired.) < 1506263338 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's good to know, because I've distributed an entire out-of-copyright book a month ago.) < 1506263581 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506264114 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this copyright law is the one that permits the government to put a tax on empty CD/DVD disks and photocopier machines. < 1506264187 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tells how the income of that law is to be used. < 1506264619 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d98b:4c05:8d2:232b JOIN :#esoteric < 1506264807 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: too tired to IRC < 1506265735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506266025 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506266261 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? white < 1506266264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? white chocolate < 1506266265 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :white? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506266266 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :white chocolate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506266359 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mario < 1506266360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario is a classic PSPACE-complete problem invented by Nintendo. < 1506266619 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chocolate < 1506266620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506266656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum < 1506267051 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506268608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506269569 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any languages implemented scopes as ordinary objects? < 1506271352 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-84-220.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506271385 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-10.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506271463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada is also the law that the government puts the tax on blank CDs, but in Canada, this law does not apply to DVDs. < 1506271799 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506271942 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506272086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53115&oldid=53108 5* 03Zseri 5* (+185) 10+infobox < 1506272098 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1506272107 0 :rumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1506272107 0 :rumble!?@? NICK :grumble < 1506272175 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506272560 0 :zseri!~zseri@2a02:810a:8680:1a14:e890:2cbe:3d2a:b72a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506273333 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't know, but maybe can you give an example of how you might mean? < 1506273358 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of one way it might be done at least < 1506273633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506273671 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to try something similar in JavaScript by use of eval, maybe < 1506273687 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a Scope object would consist of an associative array and a reference to its parent scope < 1506273721 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript objects do have prototypes, so you do have objects like that. < 1506273795 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a variable from the current scope, the interpreter/compiler/whatever would determine if the associative array has the variable name as a key. If so, the value of the variable would be returned. Otherwise, it would check the scope's parent. < 1506273807 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/variable/entry/ < 1506273823 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the value of the entry < 1506273844 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can even easily to have a global variable and then enter and exit the scopes, by using scope=Object.create(scope) to enter a new scope and scope=Object.getPrototypeOf(scope) to exit a scope; this works though more like the scopes in TeX rather than in JavaScript and other programming languages, but I did use it in a program I am writing to keep track of the types in a scope) < 1506274005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could though, for example, define a new variable inside of the scope by scope.x=[42]; and then to change its value to write scope.x[0]=43; and so on, if the variable's value is shared with the parent scope.) < 1506274366 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I decide to add OOP features to my concept, I will probably do something like that < 1506274554 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1506274881 0 :Cale!~cale@98.7.118.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506275022 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C7BB.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506275473 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506276128 0 :Cale!~cale@98.7.118.148 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506278487 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506278634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gaot++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53116&oldid=48993 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* bleet commands */ Reference implementation does it the other way around < 1506278689 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sobsz 5* 10New user account < 1506278872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53117&oldid=53111 5* 03Sobsz 5* (+380) 10 < 1506279203 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Qwerty Reverse Polish Notation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53118&oldid=40946 5* 03Sobsz 5* (-3) 10It literally says it's Turing-complete in the second frickin' paragraph < 1506279205 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d98b:4c05:8d2:232b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506279402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The built-in editor for this game http://zzo38computer.org/prog/pcpuzzleboy.zip does not work properly on DOSBOX (although I believe I found the mistake, but I don't know why it works fine on a pure DOS computer then!) < 1506279734 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506279853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The DOS computer I have tested it on has MS-DOS version 7) < 1506280215 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506280360 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506280424 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506281879 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506282187 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506282320 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506283646 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506283688 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506285266 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506285980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506286169 0 :ATMunn!?@? 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NICK :ATMunn < 1506286444 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506287911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53119&oldid=53102 5* 03CANICVS 5* (-8) 10 < 1506287975 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53120&oldid=53119 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+52) 10 < 1506288040 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53121&oldid=53120 5* 03CANICVS 5* (-38) 10 < 1506288242 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506288655 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C7BB.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506288976 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506289274 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1506289285 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1506290117 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506290502 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506291001 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506291009 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1872@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506291042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1872@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1506291043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1506291062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1872@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why were the logs on tunes.org down at some earlier time today? < 1506291063 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, but i was never going to. < 1506291075 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1872@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.114 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506291286 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53122&oldid=53121 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+0) 10 < 1506291502 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is being ominous < 1506292469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53123&oldid=53122 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+195) 10 < 1506292822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being ominous, you're just a bot < 1506292822 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: all that means is that if a building? has the warm embrace of satisfaction become the smothering the person with a large number of strangers to say it, but reality sucks sometimes. i have no idea! < 1506292836 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506292859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has, it has < 1506292911 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506293590 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506293690 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506293762 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506294703 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506294898 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1506295060 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506295086 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506295131 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506295154 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the logs on tunes behind the channel by days? < 1506295164 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least by half a day or something? < 1506295210 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have made some progress on brainfuarrrk < 1506295323 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Capaverde/brainfuarrrrk/blob/master/arithmos < 1506295353 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a brainfuarrrrk and do I want to know? < 1506295388 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: an extensible brainfuck of sorts < 1506295399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh whew. < 1506295464 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't like those either, but for a moment I thought it was a brainfuck equivalent intended to be spoken by wookies or something like that. That was funny the first time, with Ook!, but we now have like three or four such languages and it's getting quite stupid. < 1506295484 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An extension can at least be good, even if most of them aren't. < 1506295528 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a direct extension, but it is extensible < 1506295547 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the user, with macros) < 1506295619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem. < 1506295648 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I much prefer languages that stay away as far from brainfuck as possible, but still. < 1506295683 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like brainfuck's simplicity < 1506295739 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(implementation-wise) < 1506295774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a language planned that has underload's simplicity. I prefer that. < 1506295792 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even turn out to be simpler than underload. < 1506295936 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,(*) : eval first argument < 1506295952 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan this too < 1506295963 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is far away < 1506296082 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything is macros and there's no state < 1506296168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506296219 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I said this because I looked up underload and it said it is stack-based and has an eval operator) < 1506296238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506296265 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1506296288 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1506296296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read GNU's license FAQ and Boost's as well. They don't say anything about the worldwide clause I asked about earlier. < 1506296314 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a mail to GNU. I'll have to look at the Wikimedia permission form letter later. < 1506296451 0 :Capaverde!bade3c27@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.222.60.39 PART #esoteric : < 1506296515 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the GNU case is not very relevant in practice, because the kind of people who choose to distribute works under GPL won't try to abuse the license to distribute it only within a country. < 1506296534 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikimedia permission form letter is actually more relevant, but it's less clear who I should ask about it. < 1506296868 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just bragged that the esoteric language I'm planning to make would have the simplicity of underload, but I'm not really sure if it really would. < 1506296915 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more than one way to define simplicity < 1506296935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. is SKI combinator calculus simpler or more complex than SK combinator calculus? < 1506296942 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506296949 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing that language requires an associative array, and even the simplest decent implementation of an associative array I know is somewhat complicated, even without supporting deletion. < 1506296961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506296966 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have to support deletion. I can, but it's just an optimization that's irrelevant for most programs.) < 1506297184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO associative arrays are a fundamental data structure, and just because asm doesn't support them easily, doesn't mean that they should be considered less fundamental than, say, indexed arrays < 1506297196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they're very easy to implement if you don't care about efficiency < 1506297225 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I do care about efficiency < 1506297225 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506297238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"associative array" is such an awful name < 1506297246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people use it? < 1506297281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let put k v a = \k2.(if k=k2 then v else a k2) in (put 1 red $ put 2 blue $ put 3 green $ undefined) 2 < 1506297283 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: error: parse error on input ‘.’ < 1506297289 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let put k v a = \k2 -> (if k=k2 then v else a k2) in (put 1 red $ put 2 blue $ put 3 green $ undefined) 2 < 1506297292 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:29: error: < 1506297292 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error on input ‘=’ < 1506297292 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you need a 'let' in a 'do' block? < 1506297294 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it matters to me how efficient you can implement programs in the esolang, and if the impl of the language uses a linear search implementation, that ruins the parts I care about. < 1506297301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let put k v a = \k2 -> (if k==k2 then v else a k2) in (put 1 red $ put 2 blue $ put 3 green $ undefined) 2 < 1506297305 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1506297305 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: red < 1506297305 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1506297316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let put k v a = \k2 -> (if k==k2 then v else a k2) in (put 1 "red" $ put 2 "blue" $ put 3 "green" $ undefined) 2 < 1506297320 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "blue" < 1506297322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1506297335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you haven't used functional languages for a while they all tend to blur together < 1506297344 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506297407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write an OK hash table implementation in a few lines of code probably < 1506297415 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you implement underload properly, then you can translaste any non-parallel program to lambda calculus first and then to underload and the runtime will grow only to O(t**(1+epsilon)) compared to the runtime t of the original. < 1506297436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any simple efficient ordered key-value data structure < 1506297452 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: even if the keys are strings that can ideally be as long as fits in the memory, but definitely at least 255 bytes long should be allowed? < 1506297461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd like to < 1506297461 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need ordered for this language < 1506297468 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: my point is that this sort of data structure (shall we call it a "map"?) is very easy to write if you don't care about efficiency, meaning that it's conceptually simple, and theoretically the performacne coudl be fixed by a compiler < 1506297479 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a somewhat simple ordered one, but it's still not simple enough < 1506297499 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but if I only want conceptually simple, then I can just use brainfuck < 1506297516 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not what I want < 1506297520 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do care about efficiency < 1506297534 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: map works, but dictionary is better IMO < 1506297543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have said dictionary, rather than associative array < 1506297566 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will write my own implementation for the reference interpreter of the language. < 1506297572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Probably? < 1506297576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just a function that's a) defined in terms of its I/O behaviour, and b) can have that behaviour changed at runtime < 1506297602 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1506297617 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some map data structures support iteration < 1506297620 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506297668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is partly for eso reasons, because I'll use a somewhat eso dictionary structure, one that's slower than typical implementations although still much faster than linear scans; < 1506297690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and partly because I want to write the reference interpreter in portable C, and there's basically no portable implementation of dictionaries with a C interface. < 1506297707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean no standard one? < 1506297761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. I mean not in any library I know of, if you want an implementation that's both portable and its interface isn't restricted to unusable. < 1506297789 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, and of decent performance. I don't count using the file system as a dictionary from filenames. < 1506297804 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the keys and values? < 1506297819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing on my phone right now, haven't even seen the beginning of the conversation < 1506297848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was stated yet < 1506297893 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keys are strings with characters from a limited character set of around 70 characters or so, of ideally arbitrary length, but definitely at least as long that you shouldn't store them in fixed length arrays; < 1506297924 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the values don't matter much, let's say they're indexes into an array in the interpreter's memory. < 1506297946 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always just use indexes as values like that for any dictionary, and store the real values indirectly. < 1506297993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it happens to be convenient for this language because there'll be a lot of repeated values, and in many programs some of them will be longer than an index. < 1506298059 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has search.h < 1506298141 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up < 1506298188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe that doesn't help you. < 1506298242 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just does search. < 1506298250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo just use c++ < 1506298352 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should look in Knuth's free software (TeX, Metafont, MMIXware, Standford Graph Base). Maybe they have a suitable implementation. < 1506298369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hsearch, that's the one I was thinking of. < 1506298410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First a hash table must be created using hcreate(). The argument nel specifies the maximum number of entries in the table. (This maximum cannot be changed later, so choose it wisely.)" < 1506298446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a pretty scow library. < 1506298511 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the search tree functions in GNU libc, which may overlap with this. I found that they had a really bad interface, one that seriously limits how you can use them. I thought they were specific to GNU libc though, and GNU libc is very non-portable. < 1506298542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google c hash table < 1506298543 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/tonious/1377667 < 1506298557 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, it runs on Linux and Hurd, and needs a wizard to compile it, despite that the GNU GPL explicitly forbids distributing a program in a state where ordinary people can't compile it.) < 1506298569 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use something like that. < 1506298761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The POSIX search.h functions, both the hash and the tree ones, are limited to one hash table or tree in the entire program, and don't allow ordered access (lower_bound). That would technically still allow implementing my language, but I dislike that on principle. < 1506298796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're awful, ignore whatever I said about them. < 1506298807 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it requires a global comparison function with no cookie argument, like qsort. < 1506298811 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1506298858 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older versions of gcc might have an implementation I can steal. < 1506298923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were looking for a simple implementation. < 1506298935 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that may be the problem. < 1506298971 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then if it's something in an already well-known software, then I could sort of count it as simple in the same way as just using malloc or some other widely used library function as simple. < 1506298987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the interface you need? < 1506298999 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's not simple enough. < 1506299080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Perl has hash tables as a primitive < 1506299082 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506299204 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need one dictionary per interpreter (and one interpreter per process in the reference interpreter), initializing it as empty or some other known state, looking up a string key with a fatal error if it's not present, or inserting a pair in such a way that if it's a new key, the key is copied to a permanent storage array and the tree will reference < 1506299204 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that, not my original copy. < 1506299242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I don't want to keep a new copy of the key in memory forever each time I overwrite the pair for it in the tree. < 1506299250 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will overwrite values a lot. < 1506299320 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both lookup an insert/overwrite shall be fast. I don't need ordered lookup or iteration. < 1506299368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no delete? < 1506299395 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I'd like an interface that easily allows to have multiple instances per process, so that someone can modify the reference interpreter to multiple instances per process, in which case I also need deallocation of the whole dictionary. < 1506299399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need delete. < 1506299427 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete would be a nice extra, but I don't insist on it, because I know it complicates implementations a lot. < 1506299449 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you actually want to use delete, then you also need a malloc to store the keys and be able to free them. < 1506299486 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you'll have two copies of the key in memory when the key gets recreated after deletion. < 1506299499 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be worse than just not deleting anything. < 1506299587 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A malloc/free system is, in theory, on the same order of magnitude to implement efficiently as a dictionary. The main difference is that malloc is available in C, so everyone has it. < 1506299603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I know perl has one, and so does almost every modern programming language. < 1506299610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But C is still quite important. < 1506299618 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want it in C? < 1506299638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages, e.g. OCaml, do it via the standard library rather than as a primitive < 1506299666 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Perl's primitive a hash table or a dictionary? < 1506299673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: " I will write my own implementation for the reference interpreter of the language. / This is partly for eso reasons, because I'll use a somewhat eso dictionary structure, one that's slower than typical implementations although still much faster than linear scans; < 1506299708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... / and partly because I want to write the reference interpreter in portable C, and there's basically no portable implementation of dictionaries with a C interface." < 1506299722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perl's is a hash table < 1506299724 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ordered < 1506299745 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's in the standard library for most languages where that distinction is important. < 1506299748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being ordered doesn't mean it's a hash table. < 1506299749 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506299773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby has has tables as a primitive, python has them and I think they're a primitive, < 1506299781 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ and rust has them in the standard library. < 1506299790 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ and rust have ordered versions. < 1506299805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53124&oldid=52212 5* 03Get52 5* (+1) 10github changed < 1506299806 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but I also know perl implements it as a hash table < 1506299826 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're not even trying to change that, they're just disputing what the Right**TM hash function is to use < 1506299910 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perl and rust devs are both worried that a hash table can have security problems because in programs that use untrusted data as keys, the people providing that untrusted data can make a denial of service attack by making the hash table perform badly; < 1506299934 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're both trying to solve it by making a hashing function that's both fast and secure, which I think is theoretically impossible, < 1506299966 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what's wrong with siphash? < 1506299989 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the cryptography guys have done serious research about how fast you can make a digest that is probably cryptographically secure, and it's still slower than anything the perl and rust guys are trying, and < 1506300016 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a cryptographically secure hash function (with the key never revealed) is the only way to guarantee no suboptimal performance. < 1506300022 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1506300036 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there's more than one way to be cryptographically secure < 1506300055 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, and I have no proof and don't know cryptography, so this is just my conjecture < 1506300101 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siphash is meant to be cryptosecure when used as a MAC (which is the security guarantee you need for a hash table) but not for other uses of a cryptohash < 1506300128 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think people should just use balanced trees or something like that with performance guaranteed by deterministic bounds for almost every cases when this consideration is relevant, except perhaps in some cases in operating system kernels. < 1506300146 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, the security property it's claimed to have is that you can't choose X and Y so that siphash(k, X) == siphash(k, Y) unless you know k) < 1506300177 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506300189 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't even chose them that way if you get feedback of the order of hashes of any number of keys you construct? < 1506300224 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, this gets ugly because even that is probably only enough if separate secret keys are used for each hash < 1506300243 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the property's actually slightly stronger; it says that you can't choose X and Y so that siphash(k, X) == siphash(k, Y) unless you know k, even if you know siphash(k, Z) for arbitrary Z < 1506300251 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the attacker can experiment on one hash to make another hash behave badly later < 1506300265 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is that you choose k randomly per program < 1506300272 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by just using the same keys in the order they're in the first hash < 1506300287 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash tables only break upon hash /collisions/ < 1506300294 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely inserting elements in hash order doesn't break must hashing algorithjms < 1506300301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*most < 1506300391 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but when you have hashes of multiple sizes, then the smaller hashes use shorter hash keys that are made from the longer hash keys in simple ways that allow the attacker to make collisions in the smaller has by learning about the keys in the longer hash < 1506300421 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if the key for the shorter hash is the upper bits of the keys of the longer hash, then keys close to each other in the large hash will often collide in the large hash, < 1506300440 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other simple methods of creating shorter hash indexes have similar problems. < 1506300455 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506300487 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand correctly, in some cases the devs defend from this by using entirely new random salts for each hash table, and each time they resize a hash table too. < 1506300499 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: but now you're adding 2**n elements to the large hash so that you can get n**2 performance adding them to the small hash < 1506300520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just add 2**n elements to the small hash instead… < 1506300538 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I don't think so. you're adding O(n) elements to one hash to add n elements to a second hash and get O(n) collisions < 1506300591 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be some other way to defend from this attack that I don't know about though < 1506300604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: actually, we're both wrong, you're adding O(n) elements to the hash, but only O(sqrt(n)) will have clashing top bits < 1506300616 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the second hash has O(sqrt(n)**2) = O(n) performance < 1506300654 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1506300674 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced, but that sounds more likely than exponential < 1506300755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An attacker can already force O(sqrt(n)) performance with just one hash after all, under some reasonable conditions. < 1506300820 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. If you say this SIPhash solution could really work, then I should do more reading up on this, < 1506300877 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be interesting for me to know, even if I just want to avoid the original problem by using either separate passes of sorting and binary search, or a balanced tree or similar dictionary when I can't do that. < 1506300915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This because the cryptographical properties you say SIP provides might be useful for other problems, < 1506300928 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they might not, I don't know, that's why I'll have to read up about it. < 1506300995 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a particular problem I have in mind that I can so far only solve with similar strong crypto stuff like good message digests, but might have a faster solution under some conditions. < 1506301019 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a balanced tree helps there. < 1506301314 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1506301319 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1506301404 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the problem. My server communicates with multiple parties that I don't trust and that don't trust each other. When any party asks, I must give them a new unique ID token. < 1506301475 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem so bad so far < 1506301506 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody shall be able to guess that ID unless I or that party transitively gives information about the ID to them. But also, nobody should be able to examine the tokens to learn about how many tokens I've generated in any time interval, or when any token they see was generated, except that I've generated at least as many tokens so far as they've see < 1506301506 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n, and at least as many in an interval as they asked for. < 1506301550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parties may learn about some of this from timing attacks, which seems very expensive to avoid, but they shouldn't learn such information directly from examining any number of tokens. < 1506301575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506301583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One solution for this is to use 256 bit long cryptographically secure uniform random strings as tokens. < 1506301629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are well-tested libraries for doing that, and it's essentially as hard as computing one or two 256 bit long message digests. < 1506301646 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a solution for this involving just sequence numbers and no cryptographic operations. < 1506301723 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might or might not be crypto solutions that are easier than a HMAC, and this is what I should find out. < 1506301745 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or faster than a HMAC, or even faster than a message digest, like as fast as a SIP hash or two. < 1506301787 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does my description make sense? < 1506301848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you're basically just trying to generate random numbers, but have weaker security requirements < 1506301855 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are hoping that you might have something faster than a CSPRNG? < 1506301887 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to think. I thought there isn't anything faster than that, but after what you said about SIP hash, I'll have to reexamine that assumption. < 1506301932 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also somewhat fuzzy about where there seem to be two essentially different requirements called cryptographically secure PRNG, < 1506301968 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of which seems to require as many non-pseudo hardware random entropy as bits output, and one that uses much fewer bits than that. < 1506301985 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full CSPRNG requirements are that a) you can't predict any future outputs or any internal state given all past outputs, b) you can't predict any past outputs given the internal state < 1506302000 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several applications that would typically use a CSPRNG don't actually care about b) < 1506302002 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the impression that the first kind is recommended for generating keys for public key cryptography, but I don't understand why there's a distinction in first place. < 1506302013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. NH4's RNG is intended to obey a) but definitely does not obey b) < 1506302078 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1506302172 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want (a) and (b), then you want as much incoming entropy as outgoing; but when you want only (a), then you don't need that? < 1506302198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this is more to do with security levels < 1506302220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have a CSPRNG with a 256-bit internal state, you can't then get more than 256 bits of security on keys generated from it < 1506302223 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't understand why some crypto libraries only seem to provide the first kind of CSPRNG but not the second, despite that the first kind is slow on many hardware in most cases. < 1506302232 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could just brute-force the CSPRNG itself rather than the resulting key < 1506302347 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but for currently used public key cryptography, such as RSA, the public key itself is much longer than the entropy you need, because you can factor numbers much faster than with brute force, right? So if you generate a 1024 bit key with 256 bit entropy, then the fastest way to factor your key is faster than brute forcing 256 bits of seeds. < 1506302380 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the difference important only for generating more random output than just a single public key? < 1506302404 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, generating several Diffie-Hellman keys? < 1506302414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, certainly you don't want to generate so many keys on the same seed that brute-forcing the seed is faster than individually factoring the keys < 1506302429 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even for generating multiple symmetric crypto keys. < 1506302461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason to use RSA nowadays? < 1506302465 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generating lots of symmetric crypto keys comes up a lot with public key cryptography, do you need the stronger guarantee for that? < 1506302494 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think this applies not only to RSA, but also for most other public key schemes used nowadays < 1506302507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure though. < 1506302684 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so is the weaker CSPRNG guarantee enough for the unique ID problem I asked? < 1506302698 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'd think so < 1506302699 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does a proper implementation of the weaker CSPRNG need two or just one calls to a digest? I guess I can find that out by reading the source code of tomcrypt < 1506302710 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I'd be surprised if a security audit told you off for using /dev/urandom there < 1506302715 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the explanation < 1506302715 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm not a crypto expert < 1506302718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I may be wrong about all this < 1506302744 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This helped. < 1506302758 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave soon because it's late. < 1506303187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506303215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a hash table implementation without delete support. Seems pretty straightforward. < 1506303240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd never implemented it before because I don't like hash tables that much. < 1506303345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( did you make a hash of it ) < 1506303411 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but it still makes the implementation longer < 1506303461 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506303474 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep, tunes was away for nearly a day < 1506303516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, clog < 1506303553 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506303568 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506303704 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506304010 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506304082 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506304232 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What tricks are there for implementing key-value maps efficiently other than ordering and hashing? < 1506304271 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know one trick that requires ordering but not anything that looks like a tree, and I'll try to use that in my reference implementation. < 1506304284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a prefix tree is another popular one. < 1506304286 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recommend it for most non-eso purposes though. < 1506304299 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your trick? < 1506304303 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prefix tree still counts as ordering. < 1506304318 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that an array that you binary search still looks like a tree < 1506304333 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in that case this still looks like a tree. < 1506304339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, prefix structure is more than order structure < 1506304362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < function isn't sufficient to implement a prefix tree < 1506304379 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also using prefix trees you can sort in linear time? < 1506304385 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1506304400 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than order structure, sure, but then a balanced tree or a treap or a self-balancing tree is also more than order structure I think. < 1506304412 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any cellular automata software that allows arbitrary spaces? as in, CAs on arbitrary graphs or implicit spaces or.. something. < 1506304421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the structure of the keys themselves < 1506304466 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my trick (and I have invented this independetly but I think it's known) is to use a set of sorted arrays of key-value pairs with power of two size, no two of the same size. < 1506304487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: prefix trees are basically an optimized version of radix sort < 1506304492 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find an element, find it in each array, which takes O(log**2 n) time < 1506304500 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're O(n) if you have a fixed number of possible keys < 1506304527 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Oh, sure, that's a good trick < 1506304538 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to insert an element, add a length 1 array, then while there are two arrays of the same size, merge those two arrays to an array twice the size, keeping duplicate keys but keeping track of which one is newest < 1506304546 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's basically a trie, isn't it? < 1506304552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you can do it more generally than powers of two, and sometimes there are benefits to other counting systems < 1506304565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example skew binary works well < 1506304596 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this takes amortized O(log**2 n) time < 1506304598 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the rough idea behind databases like Bigtable? < 1506304609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to insert an element, add a length 1 array, then while there are two arrays of the same size, merge those two arrays to an array twice the size, keeping duplicate keys but keeping track of which one is newest. < 1506304623 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also helps remove an element. < 1506304667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing on my phone so I can't type very quickly < 1506304680 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure. I know this method also lets you keep snapshots of older versions of the dictionary cheaply, which I think Bigtable or some such db promises, but there are other ways to provide that, and I don't know how they actually implement it. < 1506304693 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's similar to a trie. < 1506304709 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, no, I misunderstood how it works < 1506304715 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a skiplist, but not the same < 1506304724 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, skiplists are very similar and more popular. < 1506304748 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iirc skiplists differ in that they need randomness. < 1506304765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this faster at accessing more recently added data? that might be a useful property in some cases < 1506304768 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike a trie, this structure only needs key comparisons,. < 1506304776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what this data structure is called < 1506304791 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know any name for it either < 1506304826 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: theoretically yes, but it's so slow in general even for accessing recently added data that if you want that, you'll still use balanced tree or self-balancing tree structures < 1506304861 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this structure can be deamortized, which you need to make persistent snapshots actually, but that makes the implementation more complicated < 1506304887 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deamortized as in making a version that guarantees non-amortized deterministic upper bound on insertion time < 1506304970 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it can be deamortized while still being O(log**2 n) time, as opposed to O(log**3 n) which you might think if you just know that an array can be deamortized to a complete binary tree with log speed loss < 1506305089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: How about "cache oblivious lookahead arrays", or "fractal trees"? < 1506305105 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even seen a good reference for this data structure, even one that doesn't give it a nice name. In particular, I don't think it's in the current TAOCP, nor in the Chris Okasaki persistent data structures book, nor in anywhere else.\ < 1506305116 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've no idea what those are < 1506305130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd look them up but it's very annoying in my < 1506305133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my phone < 1506305157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the thing you're describing? < 1506305177 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, deamortizing is easy, just do the merges with the steps delayed compared to one another just fast enough that each merge result is ready by the time you have to merge that one with a new array < 1506305194 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in each step, do a constant number of merge steps at each level < 1506305213 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can do a constant number of merge steps total < 1506305259 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bad part of this structure is that lookup still guarantees only O(log**2 n) but Omega(log n) time, < 1506305296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think you can fix that without turning it into some other structure in disguise with extra unnecessary complications added. < 1506305306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See these slides for example http://ekmett.github.io/presentations/Cache-Oblivious%20Data%20Structures.pdf < 1506305311 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as skiplists. < 1506305351 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how skip lists are randomized < 1506305362 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's too late for me to try to read that now, but thanks for the reference, if I don't get back to it, feel free to point it out again < 1506305392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas See these slides for example http://ekmett.github.io/presentations/Cache-Oblivious%20Data%20Structures.pdf < 1506305392 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1506305405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, are you on the list? < 1506305417 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1506305418 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work, it will ping me when I type the next line, such as this one < 1506305418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ i​n​t​-​e​ < 1506305430 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no < 1506305430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not later < 1506305435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it'll work < 1506305444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time someone else sends you a message < 1506305450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1506305494 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needn't have typed that line though. Good night. < 1506305498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506307930 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written hash table codes that are without deletions < 1506308206 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506308482 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506308955 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506310096 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506310364 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506311599 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506311913 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainflub14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53125 5* 03Snorepion 5* (+2550) 10Created page with "'''Brainflub''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Snorepion|Snorepion]]. While its documentation is written jokingly, it isn't as much of a joke as some ot..." < 1506311930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Snorepion14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53126 5* 03Snorepion 5* (+17) 10Created page with "I hate red links." < 1506311944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Snorepion14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53127 5* 03Snorepion 5* (+13) 10Created page with "==Talk here==" < 1506313687 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506315227 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506316570 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506316882 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506317581 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you written hash table codes that are with deletions? < 1506317640 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember < 1506319843 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506320113 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506320222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53128&oldid=46400 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-3) 10 < 1506320570 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53129&oldid=53128 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-49) 10That is a wasteful way to do natural log. < 1506320693 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53130&oldid=53129 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+21) 10/* Real Part and Imaginary Part */ < 1506320911 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506320929 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1506320930 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 4d 4h 41m 52s ago: I downgraded oerjan to twice punned, because he did notice the pun. < 1506320990 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53131&oldid=53130 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+29) 10/* Trigonometry */ < 1506321512 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/7rmTFxyjSpk < 1506322331 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@METAR PAMR < 1506322332 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1506322343 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: metar PAMR < 1506322345 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1506322350 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how lambdabot works < 1506322352 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PAMR < 1506322352 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAMR 250453Z 19010G16KT 10SM BKN060 10/06 A2963 RMK AO2 SLP035 T01000061 $ < 1506322356 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1506322932 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1506323117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ETAR < 1506323118 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETAR 250556Z 11003KT 0600 R27/0500V0900 FG VV002 07/07 A3014 RMK AO2A CIG 001 RWY08 SLP214 T00700070 10070 20032 53000 $ < 1506323144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport ETAR < 1506323146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ramstein Ab (RMS, ETAR) \ Queretaro Intercontinental (QRO, MMQT) \ Seletar (XSP, WSSL) < 1506323186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*air* < 1506323187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/airport \ bin/airport-lookup < 1506323207 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506323211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/airport < 1506323211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport-lookup any "$*" < 1506323224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep share airport-lookup < 1506323225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: airport-lookup: No such file or directory < 1506323233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep share bin/airport-lookup < 1506323234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with open('share/airports.dat', 'rb') as datafile: < 1506323254 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ETAR share/airports.dat < 1506323255 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :751,"Ramstein Ab","Ramstein","Germany","RMS","ETAR",49.436911,7.600283,776,1,"E","Europe/Berlin" < 1506323342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most metal metar, obviously < 1506323445 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506323514 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1506323688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mornily. < 1506323882 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rms < 1506323883 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506323924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar META < 1506323924 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506323930 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1506323931 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 250600Z 22004KT 15SM FEW030 23/21 A3004 RMK CF1 CF TR SLP172 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1506323932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar MTAR < 1506323933 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506323938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar MEAR < 1506323939 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506323944 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23/21. the humidity. < 1506323944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar METR < 1506323945 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506323991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "oh the humidity" hth < 1506324023 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twim. < 1506324066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to do some circadian realignment. < 1506324079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TYPED CHICKEN < 1506324982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506325934 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506325944 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506326777 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506326845 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuqejsljqjmivvsb QUIT : < 1506326916 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506327136 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506327344 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506327439 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d6:486f:93e5:e590 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506327736 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1506327921 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506329971 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :K-Lined < 1506330141 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@185.14.184.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506331550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506331561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some corrections about the dictionary data structure I talked about yesterday. < 1506331619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, about persistence. If you just want to keep snapshots of some or all earlier states of the dictionary, then use the original version. Don't deamortize it the way I suggested, because deamortizing just makes it harder to use persistently, because the deamortized version needs in-place writable arrays, the ordinary version does'nt. < 1506331708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is enough if eg. you want to store all states of a nethack game in such a way that you can play it back (not that I recommend using this structure in practice). < 1506331752 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a persistent data structure that you can revert (or even fork), then this gets ugly, and I don't know how best to do it. The easiest way is probably to just not use this data structure and use a B-tree instead. < 1506331774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second. Like many other binary data structures, this one has a fibonacci version. < 1506331807 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I should use the fibonacci version for eso purposes. In practice, that would screw with my mind too much so I'd be unable to write a correct implementation, so I might not do that. < 1506331854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third, name. If this data structure doesn't yet have a good name, then I call it a plywood, because it's made of layers (of different sized arrays), and is a cheap substitute for real solid trees. < 1506332053 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I give you a name yesterday? < 1506332067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cache-oblivious lookahead array" < 1506332075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the same thing as COLA or not? < 1506332077 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, that turned out to be this structure? < 1506332085 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I haven't read the slides you linked to yet < 1506332087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1506332087 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will read them < 1506332399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.191 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506332823 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506332858 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506336655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh no. these slides are basically stored as bitmaps. wtf. < 1506336797 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d6:486f:93e5:e590 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506339200 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506339535 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506340180 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506340355 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me. If I eventually want to buy an internet domain name for my personal stuff, if I use a distinctive enough name, what top-level domain do you think is the best to put it under? Possibilities can include .org, .net, .com, .xyz < 1506340374 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't hold your breath, this won't happen any time soon, and the answer might change by that time.) < 1506342126 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google lambdabot < 1506342127 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `search' failed with: Network.Socket.connect: : does not exist (No route to host) < 1506342135 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-kay. < 1506342139 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google lambdabot < 1506342140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot < 1506342490 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it still needs that workaround (permanently add an IPv6 neighbour). I wonder whose bug that is. < 1506342528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "I wonder whose bug that is" => ah yes, those are the best bugs < 1506342628 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not lambdabot's... it's more low-level than that (I could reproduce it with curl) < 1506342652 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either the Linux kernel or the configuration of the local router. < 1506344693 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506344793 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506345025 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506345363 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506345468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boost license FAQ "http://www.boost.org/users/license.html" has two interesting tidbits. < 1506345478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why is the "disclaimer" paragraph of the license entirely in uppercase? Capitalization of these particular provisions is a US legal mandate for consumer protection." < 1506345517 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I have to copyright/license trivial files? Even a test file that just contains an empty main() should have a copyright. Files without copyrights make corporate lawyers nervous, and that's a barrier to adoption. The more of Boost is uniformly copyrighted and licensed, the less problem people will have with mounting a Boost release CD on a corporate server." < 1506345543 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of these make sense in a twisted legal sort of way in retrospect, but I wouldn't have guessed them. < 1506348140 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506348229 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506348310 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506349142 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07InterpretMe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53132&oldid=49652 5* 03Zseri 5* (+7) 10Category < 1506349341 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506349440 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:f8fe:17c7:a87f:8347 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506349802 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53133&oldid=53115 5* 03Zseri 5* (+11) 10+Influence:Terse < 1506349988 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506351193 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506351799 0 :rottytooth!26609942@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.96.153.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506352996 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're right. although I don't like those slides, they do seem to describe the same dictionary data structure as the one I said. < 1506354287 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506354753 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainflub14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53134&oldid=53125 5* 03Snorepion 5* (+18) 10My user page link is still red, updating the page might help < 1506355418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainflub14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53135&oldid=53134 5* 03Snorepion 5* (-1) 10fix broken link < 1506355597 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506356892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainflub14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53136&oldid=53135 5* 03Snorepion 5* (+278) 10/* Examples */ Better hello world < 1506357103 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506357464 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1506358509 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506358562 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506359251 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506359268 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506359379 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506360136 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506360208 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506361764 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode! < 1506361936 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506361965 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rdococ. < 1506361972 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's things. < 1506362076 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :medium. < 1506362103 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully medium well. :P < 1506362109 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1506362124 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the concept I had of a 'Scope' object, but I have no idea how I'd incorporate that in an interesting manner. < 1506362341 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506362488 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506362597 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506362876 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506362940 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1506362997 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506363994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol world war three is apparently hapening < 1506364022 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, who knew. < 1506364034 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1506364084 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :North korea says they're gonna start shooting down any american aircraft that come near < 1506364097 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it. I dare them. < 1506364107 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll turn the penninsula into a gulf. < 1506364465 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506364493 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506364507 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: haven't they said that before? < 1506364559 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I mean, they bragged before that they have intercontinental ballistic missiles that they can screw their hydrogen bombs onto. if they really had that, would they have to wait for the aircraft to come near? < 1506364595 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they acting like the Iraqi people who said in the news that a farmer shot down the super modern American stealth aircraft with his bird rifle? < 1506364684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506364695 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much the latter. they released a propaganda video that's... just hilarious. < 1506364749 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that sounds normal. < 1506364775 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows them "blowing up" U.S aircraft, ships, etc. < 1506364840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said the us had declared war with its actions but that's a surprisingly common state of affairs with north korea, meanwhile the threat to shoot down planes isn't terribly grave because, believe it or not, us planes do not in fact habitually fly over north korea < 1506365021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might plausibly try, though. something could happen but it's not 'ww3 now' territory < 1506365048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chimera14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53137&oldid=17981 5* 03Zseri 5* (+95) 10Categories < 1506365065 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hit "ww3 now" when they actually strike. < 1506365393 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53138&oldid=53133 5* 03Zseri 5* (+19) 10+Category:2017 < 1506365633 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506367217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, b_jonas, fwiw i've found that by far the best way to get clued up on NK is to follow analysts on twitter < 1506367253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ankit panda is my go-to guy atm b/c he tweets a lot < 1506367729 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506367889 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506368371 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506368867 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, imode: Somehow I doubt that north korea will trigger WW3. Nobody likes them. Sure, China and Russia don't like US messing in the region, but WW3? Probably not < 1506369730 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506369769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if this was Civilization, then north korea and america would declare war, and then suddenly for no apparent reason india nukes them both < 1506369781 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I tried loading one DOS game on my Linux computer and now the level editor is not work properly. It won't save properly, but the game itself is otherwise working OK." => the problem is that the simulated video card and motherboard doesn't behave exactly like the hardware one. < 1506369947 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tunes log is missing for half of the interesting conversation we had yesterday. < 1506370024 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than half < 1506370761 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506370887 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that underflow glitch :P < 1506371028 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506371040 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506371779 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:f8fe:17c7:a87f:8347 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506372520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1100 < 1506372521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1100: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1506372559 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1506372655 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506372785 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506372806 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, so much loot just left there < 1506373347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, my favourite twitter comment on it of the day is: < 1506373365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So far we have not figured out what they can shoot down, sink or shell and precipitate a full hot war." < 1506373384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have learned from experience that the us will put up with a lot of shit < 1506373415 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506373953 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506375083 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, when have you last cleaned your fridge? < 1506375083 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: look, you're trying to lead well, but has not been dispelled! hah, i should have specified: i'm from like 2 hours in this comic... spider-man! will!! die! < 1506375105 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO!!!!! Spidey! < 1506375461 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spider < 1506375462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spider? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506375463 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spiderman < 1506375464 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiderman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506375464 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ant < 1506375465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ants are great architects. They are famous for their highways. < 1506375466 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antman < 1506375467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506375968 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506376959 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506377354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this aint world war three?! lame < 1506377807 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506377835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506378071 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1506378074 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DD39.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506378575 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you actually a human, or well, it depends on whether the chicken or the egg that I just laid - and haha! < 1506378575 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: to the last, i will grapple with thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! from hell's heart, i stab at thee! < 1506378580 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1506378858 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506378928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506379018 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506379018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506379245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I haven't seen a loopy fungot in quite a bit. < 1506379245 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you and the dromiceiomimus had a customer is either rude, but as a terminator 2. that was a pretty good... or bad?" each moment we delay, so when i send not to know for sure who i just met! < 1506379360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506379363 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-150-0-85.range109-150.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506379468 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506379779 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506380014 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506380057 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the boost license FAQ also tells two interesting things that are sort of obvious in retrospect only < 1506380113 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "http://www.boost.org/users/license.html" "Why is the "disclaimer" paragraph of the license entirely in uppercase? Capitalization of these particular provisions is a US legal mandate for consumer protection." < 1506380138 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Do I have to copyright/license trivial files? Even a test file that just contains an empty main() should have a copyright. Files without copyrights make corporate lawyers nervous, and that's a barrier to adoption." < 1506380151 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the thing about uppercase license disclaimers, is that the law just says they have to be prominent < 1506380169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a court case that found that uppercasing the disclaimer when everything else is lowercase (and in the same/similar font) is sufficient < 1506380183 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so everyone uppercases them nowadays because they know that that works < 1506380251 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but at the same time at least we in Hungary also have laws that none of the rules are allowed to be printed in small font, so they can't really just use different font sizes. it's either all caps or bolding, and bolding doesn't easily work in text source code < 1506380284 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about a third of the text of the travel insurance I buy is in bold, sometimes indicating such disclaimers, and sometimes that it's changed since the previous version, and you can't tell which clause is bold for which of those reasons) < 1506380347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insurance is so complicated. < 1506380398 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but I read it through, and it basically comes down to being a travel insurance with some extra services that I don't need but I also can practically never use in practice because the disclaimers cover everything < 1506380443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quit my job last week. So now I need to figure out US health insurance. < 1506380445 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mess. < 1506380533 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ouch. < 1506380551 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what job are you looking for now, and are you planning to relocate? < 1506380565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not immediately looking for any job. < 1506380579 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it needn't be immediately < 1506380585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get another job or should I be a lazy unemployed bum for a while? < 1506380609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no plans to move but I might. < 1506380610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should *look* for a job. it will take some time to find a good job anyway. you don't have to intentionally delay for that. < 1506380625 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But looking for a job is even more stressful than having a job. < 1506380629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, obviously the way I should ask is how far you're willing to move for a job. < 1506380650 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to move anywhere, I suppose. But this area isn't so bad. < 1506380692 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1506380713 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, where do you recommend? < 1506380757 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One time a company wanted me to move to Istanbul for a job. I guess that was a bit drastic for me. < 1506380805 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think one reason they were in Istanbul was that it was cheaper. Why would I move far away to a place I don't particularly want to live in to work at a job that paid less? < 1506380810 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea, I'm in Hungary, but it's not a good place to move to. < 1506380837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. You don't get payed much here, which is why companies get people to work here. < 1506380896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If income scales roughly linearly with cost of living, it's better to live in the most expensive place. < 1506380896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't, of course. But it might still be better.) < 1506380901 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the qualified workers are moving away from Hungary, but at the same time the companies in western europe figure out they can get half-qualified workers here for much less money than in western europe who work better than the people hired in india for free, so they fire the western europeans and hire teams here. < 1506380979 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506380995 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like keeping my employer's health insurance will cost me a bit over $500/month. That's a lot but it's less than I was expecting. < 1506381021 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 USD per month? that's a LOT < 1506381027 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it give for that price? < 1506381038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you choose some other health insurance? < 1506381046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can choose another one. < 1506381046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I understand it's beneficial while you're working there < 1506381050 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after that < 1506381054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheapest I can get would probably cost ~$250/month. < 1506381151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the fanciest most expensive option because my employer was subsidizing most of it. Maybe that was a mistake. < 1506381157 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more reasonable, unless you're over 65 years old or something < 1506381182 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends on how you treat insurance. < 1506381205 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important reason to have health insurance is to handle the very expensive cases that cost hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. < 1506381234 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure. < 1506381255 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like needing to swap your dialysis filter every two days < 1506381321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dialysis is covered for everyone in the US, I believe. < 1506381367 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. then expensive patented heart medicine. < 1506381387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the general cost of making hospitals work, which is getting more and more expensive. < 1506381389 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1506381396 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1506381405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the hospital for the first time in a decade last month or so. < 1506381421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a good time getting X-rays and CT scans and things. < 1506381436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I'm OK, though. Hopefully. < 1506381448 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those turn out to be less scary than you thought as a child < 1506381518 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out getting water through IV is not such a bad or painful thing as I remembered from when I was nine years old, it's just that every time I had to get that, I was so sick that everything felt like a bad experience. < 1506381544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you gotten a CT scan? < 1506381545 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a needle stuck in your arm all day isn't as uncomfortable as I remembered. < 1506381554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and those aren't as bad as they imply either. < 1506381558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no needle, is there? < 1506381578 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The doctors warn that it's very loud, and while it's loud, it's not a distracting sort of sound, but a comforting hum. < 1506381589 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting the dye injected was a very odd experience. < 1506381589 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, sorry < 1506381592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's MR scan < 1506381598 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CT scan isn't loud < 1506381602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confusing stuff < 1506381605 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got both types of scan < 1506381612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get the dye? < 1506381615 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CT scan is just an ordinary X-ray, only with a hundred times < 1506381619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did get a dye < 1506381619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MRIs are obnoxiously loud yeah < 1506381624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels very warm. I guess you can feel your own circulation. < 1506381644 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they scare you about that too, saying they leave a needle in your arm after the dye because there's a small chance of an allergic reaction to it < 1506381783 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got dye twice, once for CT, and once for just plain X-ray. Plus radioactive measurement chemical once. < 1506381797 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hungary spent the equivalent of USD 1719 per person on health in 2013, compared with an OECD average of USD 3453." < 1506381800 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cheap. < 1506381813 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like radioactive dye, but because they measure the radiation rather than the absorbtion there, it needs only a much smaller dose. < 1506381841 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's the costs the state pays. it doesn't include what people pay for themselves I think. < 1506381883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the the total spending. < 1506381888 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1506381888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Public sources accounted for 65% of overall health spending, below the OECD average" < 1506381895 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Country-Note-HUNGARY-OECD-Health-Statistics-2015.pdf < 1506381897 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1506381910 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about private health insurance companies? < 1506381920 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :65% sounds believable < 1506381942 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you only measure the costs accounted for, not the black market stuff and tips < 1506382205 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1506382227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same source says the US spent $8713/person: https://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/Country-Note-UNITED%20STATES-OECD-Health-Statistics-2015.pdf < 1506382249 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's yearly, right? < 1506382272 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's in 2013. < 1506382395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US politicians are saying a lot of nonsense about health insurance. < 1506382400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mess. < 1506382513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506382562 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, $500/month is below the US number but way above the Hungarian number. < 1506382610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :politicians always say a lot of nonsense. that's their work < 1506382626 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506382637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe health insurance is just fundamentally problematic without a lot of regulation (maybe of a form similar to the ACA in the US). < 1506382678 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it possibly work? < 1506382927 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506383219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the winner's curse? < 1506383343 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506384141 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1929@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.41 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506384155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506384413 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TEENAGED CHICKEN < 1506384720 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506385893 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506386141 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506386187 0 :brandons1n!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506386196 0 :brandons1n!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506386794 0 :brandons1n!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506387073 0 :brandons1n!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506389131 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506389393 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506390348 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506390588 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506391175 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506392297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoa whoa whoa < 1506392311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Are you stopping a little north too? < 1506392349 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I’ll have time, just here for gf’s conference < 1506392359 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :You’re in SF area right? < 1506392427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, Berkeley. < 1506392445 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should stop by < 1506392452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you bring your pooches? < 1506392485 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah that’s quite a trip. We have a couple of free days afterwards but will probably just make it to LA < 1506392493 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :No pooches, pooch hotel for them < 1506392510 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506392518 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your trip's schedule? < 1506392552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of going to San Diego at one point but I don't have definite plans so I guess it probably wouldn't overlap. < 1506392565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go somewhere else now that I have all this free time. < 1506392797 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506394241 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506394886 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506397844 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506398475 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506398600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506398982 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506399270 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506399868 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1506399877 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506400274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your quit message is more noisy than three ordinary quit/join lines tdnh < 1506400288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now walk -> < 1506400325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's informative, and quit messages are easy enough to filter out (either mentally or technologically) if you don't like them < 1506400352 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how narrow is your client? I'd be surprised if it came to more than two lines on this one < 1506400480 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might golf it down a bit once people have got used to it, though < 1506400886 0 :rottytooth!~Mutter@pool-100-33-245-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506401059 0 :rottytooth!~Mutter@pool-100-33-245-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506401200 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506401618 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterick deluxe < 1506401830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 80 chars wide terminal < 1506402036 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506402117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a 10 char left margin on the continuation lines < 1506402170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less than on ordinary messages < 1506402272 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506402379 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder if a line consisting entirely of lowercase i's could come to 1 line on my client but 3 on yours < 1506402537 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506403267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you're using a proportional sans serif font... < 1506403278 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and a fairly small one < 1506403283 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a fairly wide client < 1506405505 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506405775 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506405808 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506407345 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506409225 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1506409865 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506410028 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:d49b:e807:277:8838 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506410381 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506410411 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506410552 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://emotifuck.rs/ < 1506410679 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the URL says "fuck" but the page itself censors it < 1506410734 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506410781 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the domain was registered by a third party. < 1506411276 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506411661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506411751 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506411975 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506412971 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-452-73.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506413002 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506413024 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506417542 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506417939 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506418475 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506418647 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506418696 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506419397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506419844 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6593:a30b:4ca:dae JOIN :#esoteric < 1506420027 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506420082 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1506420531 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1506420533 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​welcome.tr//Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! : Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde #esoteric deneyin.) < 1506420539 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506420545 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:no//No means hi. \ md5//MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. \ trantor//Coruscant is a planet covered entirely by a city. It is the capital of the Galactic Empire, and the home for the biggest library in it. \ busy beaver growth//No one can compute the length of a wisdom entry sufficient to explain busy beaver g < 1506420547 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506420548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:rowth. \ high hat//A high hat is the same as a top hat, not the same as a hi-hat, just like how a top quark is not the same as an up quark. < 1506420567 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION inhales a wisdom hit
< 1506421345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, half of those are mine < 1506421352 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the MD5 refer to? < 1506421375 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the aliens part in it < 1506421380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg md5 < 1506421389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5133:2014-11-15 learn MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. < 1506421440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:23:13 mroman: it's defined as a function? can't you use alien? beings) < 1506421440 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle."? and there's a little picture of a ruler. < 1506421443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:23:25 I'm not sure if aliens know what sha1 is. < 1506421446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:27:43 Yes, they're probably stuck with MD5 still. < 1506421457 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't kid us, you're sauzzled all the time < 1506421458 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my final wishes! they're the last things i ever did wish, and that makes me very sad to me! < 1506421494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some questions about esolang design. < 1506422086 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C77E.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506424895 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506425267 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506426007 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote shachaf: i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my final wishes! they're the last things i ever did wish, and that makes me very sad to me! < 1506426007 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way? < 1506426010 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1315) shachaf: i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my final wishes! they're the last things i ever did wish, and that makes me very sad to me! < 1506426108 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i '$s=shachaf=shachaf=' quotes < 1506426109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he shou < 1506426126 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cat bin/sed < 1506426127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cat: not found < 1506426132 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1506426155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sed < 1506426155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ /bin/sed "$@" && if [[ $# == "3" && "/$1" == "/-i" ]]; then echo -n "$3//"; cat "$3"; fi < 1506426184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1315 < 1506426185 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1315) shachaf: i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my final wishes! they're the last things i ever did wish, and that makes me very sad to me! < 1506426191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do? < 1506426199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1506426204 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: insert a ^O in hope of not hilighting you < 1506426210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I have /hilight on /chaf\b/ < 1506426222 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1506426247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1506426248 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1506426255 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo if you're going to do it do it properly twh < 1506426274 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I should write a proper noping script for hackego. I promised once. < 1506426301 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, not sure what you mean by properly < 1506426361 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noping as in modifying a nick to fool that user's client to not recognize it, while humans reading it will still recognize it. culprits macros already do this, but I want to improve on the specifics. < 1506426367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that doesn't match /chaf\b/ hth < 1506426408 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I'd try to make a better one, and make a version of my culprits-ng command that uses it, but so far I was lazy < 1506426424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in something other than Perl. < 1506426531 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we sort of have a lack of interpreters and compilers on hackego, and at one point I had trouble when trying to install a linux binary onto hackego < 1506426534 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure < 1506426543 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this wasn't to be part of Hackego, then sure, < 1506426563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to use it in a culprits program, and that has to access hackego's version control system, so it's hard to put it outside hackego < 1506426570 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i '$s=sha[c]haf=shachaf=' quotes > /dev/null < 1506426571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1506426577 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wish to write it all in bash < 1506426579 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sed < 1506426583 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the standard position, going by `hlnp < 1506426594 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1315 < 1506426595 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1315) shachaf: i've a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my final wishes! they're the last things i ever did wish, and that makes me very sad to me! < 1506426608 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have reasonable suggestions for how I could use some other useful programming language that has a decent interpreter or compiler I can easily run on hackego? < 1506426637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Python, there are a bunch of programs that use that. < 1506426645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use an esoteric language. < 1506426652 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or bash. < 1506426680 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've been told that the funpuns are entirely accidental; is that true? < 1506426710 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo funpuns | tr a-z n-za-m < 1506426711 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1506426718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: python could be a reasonable suggestion. I'll consider that. < 1506426759 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I won't write in brainfuck, because it's brainfuck, and I won't write in unlambda or underload or any language that doesn't have easy handling of character IO, < 1506426789 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for most esolangs, the problem is that you need an interpreter on hackego, for which you'd need a non-eso programming language in which the interpreter is written in. < 1506426876 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` python3 --version < 1506426877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: python3: command not found < 1506426879 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` python2 --version < 1506426879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7.9 < 1506426883 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` python --version < 1506426884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7.9 < 1506426885 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Are fun puns ever an accident? < 1506426891 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` py --version < 1506426892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: py: command not found < 1506426899 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a python3 on hackego? < 1506426918 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's a rare occasion. < 1506427144 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` tr a-z n-za-m << [1 @ 13] = "Hello, World!\n". ; Put the string in memory [0] = 1...." < 1506480349 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506480423 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506480783 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506481269 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506481547 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506483297 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506483324 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506483598 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506483753 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506485735 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506486114 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1506486992 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506487170 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506487272 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506487997 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506489306 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506489825 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506489877 0 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506489893 0 :alercah_!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah JOIN :#esoteric < 1506490172 0 :puck1pedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506490190 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1506490190 0 :diginet_!?@? 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NICK :Guest65841 < 1506523281 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-84-220.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506523315 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just figured out a new twist on the esoteric language I'm trying to make. This will make my work harder, but it may be worth it. < 1506523344 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My work as in writing documentation, reference implementation, and example programs.) < 1506523362 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the twist? < 1506525272 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506525368 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell yet because the language is still secret < 1506525568 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally disagree with the statement of today's xkcd < 1506525623 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The news reporters always want to have lab coat guys shown on screen. So they interview an astronomer for every solar eclipse, a mathematician every time someone wins the lottery (blackboard instead of lab coat that time), < 1506525664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a virologist and vulcanologist and robot engineer and all that sort of dangerous sounding profession for all the most boring fake news they invent. < 1506525686 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly when they ask apparently boring scientists when we should worry that there's something scary going on. < 1506526411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506526602 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"breaking news" != "news" (how many unexpected solar eclipses have you experienced?) < 1506526617 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the scale is totally arbitrary even with that considered. < 1506526645 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, but even given that < 1506526687 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also anything sun related is very likely to be a total extinction event; those aren't really worth worrying about in my view) < 1506526733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a particularly bad solar storm could do a lot of damage without causing a total extinction < 1506526739 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when they happen and can no longer be prevented ;) < 1506526745 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true < 1506526806 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit stupid to attach it to a scientific field. A breaking news event involving a virologist could be a cure for HIV. < 1506526931 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( There are no absolute truths. ) < 1506526945 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1506526997 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or just some other daily story about which parents don't want their children to get the flu shot and asking the virologist for a thousandth time why the flu shot is important to stop spreading the epidemic to other people and stuff < 1506527041 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strip says "local reporters interviewing scientists about a breaking news story" < 1506527135 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1506527188 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess there's a puzzle there... what concrete event(s) did Randall have in mind when creating this ranking? < 1506527206 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1506527222 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506527252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506527322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506528381 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506528402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506528418 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506528812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, someone from FSF replied to my email about the licencing question, but didn't say anything useful. < 1506528822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a pity < 1506528885 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically they confirmed that, sure, the licenses are written with lawyers involved trying to make it a global license, so it should work anywhere. < 1506528898 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not a specific legal opinion or anything that would directly answer me. < 1506528920 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how many bugs there are in the GPLv2, I'm not convinced that their lawyers are all that good < 1506528930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the GPLv3 is much better, but it had a really long public review period) < 1506528966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure how many of those are actual bugs, as opposed to just problems that didn't exist back when v2 was written and couldn't have been foreseen reasonably. < 1506529029 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But obviously the FSF already says that v3 is better than v2, so there's no point complaining to _them_ about bugs in v2 only. < 1506529094 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1506529104 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really important to remember that the FSF is ideological first < 1506529327 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the v2 is from 1991. The laws have genuinely changed since. The whole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIPS_Agreement global international convention is from 1995, and it took years after that for countries to agree to it, < 1506529345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why the Hungarian law I link to is dated to 1999 (but modified since) in first place. < 1506529412 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in particular, the section 43.4 that talks about geographical area was modified in 2011, let me see the version history of that one if I can. < 1506529690 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think the free version history info on net.jogtar.hu doesn't go back to that < 1506530921 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506532016 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506532306 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. does describing any arbitrary cellular automata require a turing complete language? < 1506532319 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does. :P < 1506532331 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506532394 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506532564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it depends on how you define cellular automata, possibly? < 1506532586 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it also depends on how you define the description < 1506532610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpaca is not TC because it can't express an infinite loop (it's only usable for producing interpreters as output, not interpreting directly) < 1506532620 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if alpaca is a cellular automaton description language, so is cat < 1506532641 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506532718 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :For whatever reason, I feel afraid of talking here. < 1506532727 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I hand you an arbitrary CA with some behavior. for any behavior I could possibly hand to you, I want you to re-create the rules followed by every cell in any way you'd like. does this require a turing complete language? < 1506532763 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gut says no, because why would it? the board's state is, well, the machine state. you could describe most behaviors with just an FSM. < 1506532785 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be interesting to find a counterexample. < 1506532791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: what are the inputs and the outputs to the program in the language that you're not sure whether it's TC? < 1506532806 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, either the output is a program that emulates the CA, in which case trivially the language doesn't need to be TC < 1506532817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else the program itself emulates the CA, in which case it's TC because some CAs are TC < 1506532829 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem like you have something else in mind, but I'm not sure what < 1506532915 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, alternative description. I write a CA simulator that supports black-box functions for rules. board state + coordinates for the currently active cell go into the black box, resulting cell state comes out. < 1506532957 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a rule set that necessitates that whatever's in the black box use a turing complete language? < 1506532961 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your program now takes an infinite amount of input, which causes the normal definitions of TCness to break down < 1506532987 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's hard to say what being turing-complete even means in that context < 1506532989 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nowhere did I mention infinite. try a 30x30 grid. < 1506532999 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's not hard to extrapolate what I'm talking about here. < 1506533004 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even hard to interpret. < 1506533008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only have a finite portion of the grid as input, then you can trivially just use a lookup table < 1506533013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you only have finitely many possible inputs < 1506533023 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program itself is deterministic < 1506533044 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input grid could be the neighborhood of the cell < 1506533056 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it could. < 1506533071 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/Q5kTWT my amazing new text editor < 1506533071 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, what rules would break the idea of a lookup table. < 1506533096 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you'd need infinitely many states per cell (e.g. an analog CA) < 1506533112 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, an analog CA < 1506533116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else you'd need to look at an arbitrary amount of context (e.g. in RUBE, a dozer can push arbitrarily many crates) < 1506533146 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506533156 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what that says to me is "anything past the neighborhood of the cell". < 1506533234 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually interesting. if a dozer can push arbitrarily many crates, what's stopping me from defining an FSM that takes that into account, and if the dozer pushes the first crate, you swap the pushed crate's state to "crate, pushed left". < 1506533279 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That becomes difficult to interpret < 1506533281 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the crates next to that pushed crate take note of that and alter their own states. then near the end of the chain, the empty spot just turns into a crate... < 1506533285 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it's not a finite state machine because a single crate has to keep looking left as long as there are crates, to see if it finds a dozer or empty space < 1506533293 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have infinitely many states to deal with < 1506533324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it into a CA with "speed of light" propagation of data rather than instantaneous < 1506533325 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not from what I can see. it can still be defined by local rules. < 1506533331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. by having the dozer start a vibration < 1506533334 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1506533341 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was intending to describe above. < 1506533345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the crates will keep moving for some time even if you remove the dozer < 1506533374 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :say > is our dozer, # is our crate, and @ is "crate, moving right." < 1506533439 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :>### is our initial state. say the dozer pushes the first crate. the next state would be >@##. the state after would be >@@#. after that, >@@@. after that, >@@ #. after that, >@ ##. after that, > ###. < 1506533456 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't take a turing complete language to describe. < 1506533469 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: yes but it's much slower than actual RUBE < 1506533476 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in RUBE, you can push an entire sequence of crates in a single tick < 1506533479 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, given. :P < 1506533488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is necessary in several Rubicon levels as a method of fast long-distance communication < 1506533512 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not interested in speed, I'm interested in requirements. < 1506533546 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the speed affects the semantics of a CA < 1506533551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because multiple things go on at once < 1506533553 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. propagation. < 1506533593 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, though. so you do need a TC language to account for "faster-than-light" travel. < 1506533602 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if there's any way around that. < 1506533613 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't need to be TC specifically, just an FSM is not good enough < 1506533625 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, regular expressions are good enough for this and yet sub-TC < 1506533646 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. pretty much anything that has the capability to expand the neighborhood of a given cell can do that. < 1506533780 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :..wait, regexes are FSMs. < 1506533825 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they are good enough for this by your word. :P < 1506533872 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: different level of FSMs < 1506533883 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regex processes input as it reads it < 1506533897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the FSMs we were talking about earlier just have a single input and aren't applied iteratively to it < 1506533949 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're talking about because both march along iteratively along their respective inputs. < 1506533957 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :be it the board or the string they're fed. < 1506533959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: take Life as an example < 1506533986 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm for calculating one cell there is based on having one output for each of the 512 possible inputs (each of which is the state of the cell and adjacent cells) < 1506534018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not typically based on reading the cells one at a time and having an internal state that updates with each cell read; that'd be substantially more complex as you'd need to count the cells to know which one was the central one < 1506534060 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could describe life as an FSM, because the transition between "alive" and "dead" depends on the sum of its neighbors, which can be fed as input to the FSM. < 1506534110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like a cellular automaton where instead of discrete cells you have a continuous function? < 1506534120 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also not hard to do naive iteration over the whole board using that. just keep applying the same function to each cell over and over, running from row to row. < 1506534130 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: smoothlife. < 1506534156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, maybe I've seen this before. < 1506534220 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in that way, the whole board can be seen as an array of finite state machines, hooked up to a 'sum' unit that adds all of a cell's neighbors together and feeds it to the FSM underneath it. < 1506534231 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wolfram generated a few of those, but I'm not sure if any were actually studied from a programming point of view < 1506534258 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: in that sense, a regex isn't an FSM, then < 1506534271 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1506534275 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it needs to take input in an entirely different way to be implementable with an FSM < 1506534294 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of a regex as a robot that moves around the grid, reading cells, but has a finite amount of internal state < 1506534316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can only move in one direction in a straight line, you have a regex amount of power < 1506534322 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware. but if you leave it in place, marching along the string just means "marching in time." < 1506534339 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can backtrack, it's more powerful than that (potentially even TC if you have two dimensions) < 1506534339 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning you're continuously reading the neighborhood around you as it evolves. < 1506534631 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506534653 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you don't need FTL communication a non-TC rule language would suffice. < 1506534663 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or analog states. < 1506534790 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506536333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506539045 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506539210 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1506539560 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C8AD.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506539622 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506540185 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506541159 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506543976 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard it'd be to get a "reasonable" approximation of something like gravity or magnetism in a CA. < 1506544262 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506544980 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506545151 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1506545265 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C8AD.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506545687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, hard b/c there's no galilean invariance in a ca < 1506545693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're discretised < 1506545694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and local < 1506545900 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506546660 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's pretty easy to make something fall in a given direction, but I imagine you'd run into limits regarding the neighborhoods of each cell. instead of orbits you'd get everything just pushing towards the gravity source. < 1506546696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember voraciously reading everything i could find on this, probably nearly a decade ago now < 1506546707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone had a decent model of gravity in a CA < 1506546733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506546788 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I don't know what other "games" do, but something like The Powder Toy treats the world state as a set of particles rather than a grid with cells. < 1506546868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's extremely non-CA < 1506546974 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can do a sort of gradient, where if you place a "black hole" state in one cell, it'll spawn a bunch of force cells around it that point towards it with a certain strength, but at that point you might as well go with particles. < 1506547903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :modelling motion in a ca is hard in general because motion is all about 'hidden' state < 1506547990 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1506548106 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try to model it via afterimages and a sort of type+force state model. < 1506548136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you discard so much parsimony in doing that that i've never really seen the point < 1506548149 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. you might as well take the high road and just do sparse particles. < 1506548700 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1506548701 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas < 1506548942 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pbflist < 1506548943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist is update notification for the Perry Bible Fellowship webcomic. http://pbfcomics.com/ < 1506549226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lord they're getting racy < 1506549642 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506549681 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506549793 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506549967 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506550056 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1898@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506550120 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1898@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another of these cases when searching for "all" in a search web interface doesn't work, you have to choose a specific category. Aleph library catalog of MTA Kvt, entered an ISSN number to the single-field search form, leave default "any field" gives no hits, but if I choose "ISSN" instead, it does work. < 1506550166 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1898@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't understand what "any field" is, then don't make the fucking selection box say that! Say "some random fields" or "author or title" or just exclude it entirely. < 1506550208 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1898@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL of catalog is http://opac.mtak.hu < 1506550633 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506550788 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1898@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.152 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506551361 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506551888 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506552615 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506553204 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506554216 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506554518 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506554927 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506555050 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!!! < 1506555060 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithought u were ded < 1506555778 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506555795 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506556218 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506556434 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1506556438 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on vacation. < 1506556442 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you postcarded? < 1506556549 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506556674 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506556984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506557038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506558003 0 :nchambers!?@? NICK :apunzoref < 1506558018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1506558527 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1506558608 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar WAHH < 1506558609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506558615 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1506558619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :waht < 1506558630 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar WIII < 1506558630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport WAHH < 1506558631 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIII 272300Z VRB03KT 2300 BR SCT019 25/25 Q1012 NOSIG < 1506558632 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1506558638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport WIII < 1506558638 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soekarno Hatta Intl (CGK, WIII) < 1506558646 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1506558646 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 272300Z 28011G16KT 15SM FEW030TCU FEW045 SCT090 BKN140 OVC220 22/20 A2968 RMK TCU1SC2AC2AC3CI1 TCU TR SLP051 DENSITY ALT 1300FT < 1506558650 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks indonesian < 1506558658 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1506558729 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what did you do in your vacation? i got to know Java better ) < 1506558763 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Jakarta (two nights), Bandar Seri Begawan, Denpasar and Yogyakarta. < 1506558827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like Java all right < 1506558885 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent six nights each at the other places, visited temples, other cities, jungles, forests, ate random unknown things and took sunny pictures ^^ < 1506558943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you weren't eaten by random unknown things < 1506558968 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have remained intact hth < 1506559264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506559269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:ipa//The IPA (short for International Phonetic Abjad) is an international standard encoding all non-vowel sounds in all spoken languages, and is used to indicate the pronunciation of words. It is incredibly useful, unless you need to pronounce a word. \ welcome.fr//Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des lang < 1506559349 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506559350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:ages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: . (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.) \ magus//magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. \ claustrophobia//Claustrophobia thought the wisdom database was getting too crowded, so left. \ 9 < 1506559353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506559354 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3://9 is a free smalltalk. < 1506559360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can IPA encode beer? < 1506559585 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw I don't even hate phabricator or arcanist. I can see its appeal, but I'd need a few weeks of practice to become fluent with arcanist, and that's not happening when I'm contributing one patch every 6 months to ghc :P < 1506559613 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in reality I'd have to relearn the tool every single time, and that's tedious. < 1506559715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so what you're saying is, more things should use Phabricator. < 1506559835 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: exciting! no postcard tho < 1506559993 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, not exactly. < 1506560056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think code review is important and lacking in many projects. < 1506560083 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have a baby version of its console with 3 buttons (or was it 2 or 4?) instead of hundreds. < 1506560084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my complaints about Phabricator, but it's better than the status quo. < 1506560097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which console? < 1506560108 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to make a reference to Inside out) < 1506560156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not familiar. < 1506560255 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how long are your femurs, as a fraction of your height < 1506560314 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: darn. may take a few more days! < 1506560339 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd say about a quarter, eh? < 1506560341 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the movie has a bunch of characters inside the brain of a human... they control it (mostly its emotions) by pushing buttons on a console. And it starts out with a baby and very few buttons, (one for happiness, one for sadness, I forgot whether there are any more). And then the console gets more and more complicated as the child grows up. < 1506560435 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, the buttons were for crying and laughter. The characters are the emotions. Anyway, it was a cute movie, I should watch it again to refresh my memory :) < 1506560469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babies are so complicated. < 1506560520 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how any babies survive the first week. < 1506560718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a baby myself, once. < 1506560757 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard stories and seen pictures. < 1506560781 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have? < 1506560814 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAWvvE9w6Po < 1506560838 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean I don't remember being a baby. < 1506560984 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of you, not of me. < 1506561072 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a time where int-e was a short-e. < 1506561131 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506561133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought int-e was interrupt $0xe < 1506561206 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: which type are you? < 1506561729 0 :apunzoref!?@? NICK :nchambers < 1506561795 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mine are 26%. theres a kid at 30% < 1506562173 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1506562391 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this girl in front of me declined measurement < 1506562400 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but id guess 40+ < 1506562526 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very femury person. < 1506562809 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PURPOSE CHICKEN < 1506562908 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506563894 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got out the measuring tape and I'm 25% < 1506565788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1506565789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1506565808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/pheasant back/dryad saddle/ < 1506565810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1506565828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what's that ) < 1506565847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerioporus_squamosus hth < 1506565848 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1506565900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, squamous, my favorite "sounds more evil than it is" word < 1506565919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly because i saw it first in lovecraft quotes, i think) < 1506565964 0 :MrBusiness3!?@? NICK :MRBusiness < 1506565977 0 :MRBusiness!?@? NICK :MrBusiness < 1506566061 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/lane/road/ < 1506566063 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1506566398 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/diss/miss/ < 1506566400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1506566427 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506566437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you remember the word "depreciation"? < 1506566450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "depreciated", I suppose. < 1506566538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used it so rarely i deprecated it hth < 1506567090 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506567132 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506567214 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506567930 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506568098 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506568105 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1506568147 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506569484 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you like _Mathematics Made Difficult_? < 1506569535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read it < 1506569559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like your type of humour hth < 1506569564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i7-dungeon.sourceforge.net/math_hard.pdf (25MB) < 1506569578 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to read it any time soon. < 1506569602 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506569621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1506569953 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe ørjan would like it better < 1506569955 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506569993 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506570257 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506570769 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506571001 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506571020 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506571299 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506571714 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506572355 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506573249 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506573283 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506573630 0 :Hoolootwo!znc@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1506573712 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? 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The baby has only one button; regardless of the emotion, it will cry :P < 1506589823 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506592014 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506596096 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out randomly from the internet that there's a museum of natural sciences in Budapest. Why did nobody ever tell that to me? Is it so small, with all the valuable stuff removed during the second world war or what? < 1506596174 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to the big one in Wien. < 1506596261 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it moved to its current location in 1999. < 1506596272 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently it's not even small. < 1506596303 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does nobody tell me useful things like this? < 1506596307 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506596388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll urgently have to watch this one before it gets wrecked because of politics, but it's possible that it's already got wrecked, in which case I screwed up. < 1506596630 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506596685 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:71ed:3638:7221:8579 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506596950 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506597338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506597345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: yes, it's already started to get wrecked for political reasons. I'm sort of too late. < 1506597354 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have to watch it soon. < 1506597371 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask my brother tomorrow for why he never told me about this one. < 1506600040 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: OSSATURE CHICKEN < 1506602399 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506606316 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why didn't you tell me? < 1506606316 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this, my friends, is the malaise of the glutton at life's buffet, building complicaters? domino frustraters? wobbley times u.s.a.? um, maybe if i told his jokes < 1506606325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a good reason! < 1506607228 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506607275 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506608162 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.237.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506608258 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506608308 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506608700 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.237.251 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506608852 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506609444 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506610116 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.237.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506610381 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506610462 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506611221 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506611406 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506613552 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506613952 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506614129 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.237.251 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506614491 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506615372 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5843:2121:10f0:f382 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506616251 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506618835 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a pretty funny linguistic meme http://allthingslinguistic.com/post/165809617830/youve-heard-of-elf-on-the-shelf-now-get-ready < 1506619857 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506620569 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506620898 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506621259 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506622602 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1506622769 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506622780 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.147 QUIT :Changing host < 1506622780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506622895 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506623112 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506624359 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506624369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506624394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506624394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1506624394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506625160 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506626636 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: LOL < 1506626940 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i don't get the first one < 1506627312 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait never mind it just clicked for me < 1506628200 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506630238 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1506630520 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C89F.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506630641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506630757 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metasepia < 1506630758 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia knew the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks. < 1506633639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506633645 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ehlist//ehlist is update notification for the Everyday Heroes webcomic. http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ \ slereah//Slereah est sur un téléphone \ postorder//Postorder is the same as Polish notation, since Post was Polish. Not to be confused with reverse Polish notation, which is postfix. \ clever//Being clever is different from being < 1506633649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506633650 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:wise, but they are indistinguishable in sufficiently large quantities. \ pogrifon//A pogrifon is stim for a gostak's shamtag. < 1506634833 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C89F.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506636372 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506637387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506637804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506637861 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506637901 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506638239 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1506638248 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506639051 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506639065 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506639083 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506639683 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506639811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506641733 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506642467 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506642483 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506642517 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506642761 0 :augur!~augur@198-27-215-123.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506643246 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506643828 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506643868 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506644106 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506644112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:i,i//i,i is short for "I have wasps in my underwear, and I want to distract myself by saying". \ reference//reference is dangling, sorry. \ cofridge//Cofridges are ovens or stoves that are disrespectful towards entropy. They are useful for postparing ffee and oking cofood. \ twhib//the world holds its breath \ wisdome//The Wisdome is < 1506644113 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506644114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. Strictly speaking, it should be called the "Wissphere". < 1506644130 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506644202 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1506644733 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506644758 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506644825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506645095 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506645249 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1506645317 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bgood day to youily < 1506645431 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhelloesthiswork! < 1506646416 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :buenoilys dias < 1506647222 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new one! < 1506647882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BLUE CHICKEN < 1506647904 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506647906 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506647923 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506648719 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506649779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506651357 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506651567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : doesthiswork: i don't get the first one <-- i got that, but i don't get the second one :( < 1506651605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming there's some phonetic symbol resembling those birds, but i cannot find it. < 1506651734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or those birds have a name i haven't absorbed < 1506651745 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait until it clicks < 1506651793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i got that one < 1506651811 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second one, the first mug has one wug < 1506651821 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three ___ on the mugs < 1506651860 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/secretlife/blogposts/whats-a-wug/ < 1506651900 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorryjan, I miss parsed your quote < 1506651925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1506651960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the wikipedia page first. definitely seen that some time. < 1506654051 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1506655577 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506657336 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506657608 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506657608 0 :Cale!~cale@pool-100-37-183-165.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506657872 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506660629 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506660897 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506663364 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506663400 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506663495 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506663540 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506663858 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506664000 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506664173 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506664529 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506664849 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506664928 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506665195 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506666479 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506667221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506668675 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1506669370 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506670353 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506670662 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506670887 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506672199 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506672489 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506672522 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506674041 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506677459 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506677804 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506679478 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506681453 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506681536 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506681792 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. I don't think that's right. < 1506681833 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? postfix < 1506681835 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfix? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506682081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Postfix is a genericized trademark of household adhesives for sticking little pieces of paper on your door or monitor to remind you of something or telling your officemates your login password. Called Tack-it in the U.S. < 1506682084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'postfix': Postfix is a genericized trademark of household adhesives for sticking little pieces of paper on your door or monitor to remind you of something or telling your officemates your login password. Called Tack-it in the U.S. < 1506682159 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: this is a mix-up of "post-it", which is the genericized trademark brand name of 3M's sticky notes (small note papers with adhesives on it), cloned by lots of other brands but IME always with much worse quality than the originals; < 1506682238 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of "Blue tack" (U.S.) or "UHU Patafix" (Europe), the name of reusable adhesive blobs for sticking ordinary pieces of paper (not ones that already have adhesives built in) to your door or monitor. I think it's renamed from "Blue tack" because the version sold in Europe these days is white, not blue.) < 1506682254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Way to ruin the joke, but I'm putting it in the log in case someone wants to delete the entry later.) < 1506683206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 65 < 1506683207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 65: boily shachaf < 1506683208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 66 < 1506683209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 66: boily shachaf < 1506683219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I want to watch 65... < 1506683266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily isn't even here < 1506683453 0 :moony!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506683462 0 :moony!?@? NICK :Guest12180 < 1506684086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1506684091 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ysaclist < 1506684092 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506684095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ysac < 1506684096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysac? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506684099 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1506684770 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506686209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eww. HTML page puts both the sidebar and the main section in floating sections. Such a stupid idae. < 1506686504 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ORTHORHOMBIC CHICKEN < 1506687017 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506687339 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506687458 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506692801 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506693028 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506693633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506693677 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506694530 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506696812 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506696934 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506698062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In today's http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-grandfather , do the "dwarven swordsmiths" LoTR style dwarves, D&D dwarves, or Discworld dwarves? It would sort of matter for the context of how cool that weapon is. < 1506698627 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506698780 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506698834 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506699177 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506699340 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506699388 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506699712 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506699734 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506701568 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506702104 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506704058 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1506704857 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506704910 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506705037 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506705131 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506705637 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506705639 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506706830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Strake 5* 10New user account < 1506707398 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506707552 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506708822 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506708909 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506709011 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506710263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506710372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Bread as a weapon sort of inherently suggests Discworld dwarves. < 1506710394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Dwarf_Bread < 1506710461 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the other hand, in that case the "dwarven swordsmiths" would presumably have known how to handle it.) < 1506710776 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be one kind of dwarf or another, when it could be a merry mixture of them all < 1506712269 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds interesting < 1506712989 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "carried it over the gray mountains" suggesT? < 1506713001 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: this is re http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/your-grandfather < 1506713045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xkcd.com/921/ clearly suggests LotR on the other hand < 1506713049 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506713143 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xkcd and smbc has so much of the same themes all the time that I wonder if Randall basically just sold his website to Zach after like the first thirty comics and now Zach posts strips of two different styles to them for a different target audience. < 1506714221 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506714993 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506715012 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506715267 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506715293 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506715388 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506715802 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506716088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506716308 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506716321 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1506716335 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo! < 1506716343 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had a Idea for a esocetric language < 1506716404 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the big idea? < 1506716467 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A polite language :) < 1506716498 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how interesting, what does it do that is polite? < 1506716519 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user needs to be polite. < 1506716655 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if they are overly sarcastic < 1506716668 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( s/brainfuck/braindead/ ) < 1506716679 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like the user needs to say PLEASE before doing anything. e.g PLEASE PRINT "HELLO" < 1506716692 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dan_zh: do you know INTERCAL? < 1506716702 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1506716721 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say that there's little new under the sun < 1506716744 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, INTERCAL! FORGOT ABOUT IT!! < 1506716757 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF's more nicer. < 1506716933 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, i wont my language(countdown) to have WEIRDER syntax. I just implemented it in python3 < 1506716961 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1506716962 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an OOP funge < 1506716967 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that would work though < 1506716972 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are manageable < 1506716976 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP... eh < 1506717231 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe replace the befunge stack with message passing? < 1506717383 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actor-based befunge? < 1506717397 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1506717611 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYVR < 1506717611 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 291936Z 13009KT 10SM SCT010 BKN018 OVC051 16/15 A2991 RMK SF3SC4SC1 SLP129 DENSITY ALT 200FT < 1506718208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506720019 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506723569 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506723628 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506723764 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506725042 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506725612 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506728020 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506728020 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1506728020 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1506733565 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506733780 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506733786 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:hacker//Jim Hacker is a former British prime minister. \ ais523//Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. \ rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho < 1506733787 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506733788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science. \ treat//Treats are tasty. \ macabre//The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries. < 1506733854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits rho < 1506733862 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf < 1506733863 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1506733865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget rho < 1506733879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget rho < 1506733881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1506734049 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506734052 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irish < 1506734053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irish? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506734062 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? english < 1506734064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is an inherently ambiguous context-sensitive language that is too powerful to fully describe itself. < 1506734066 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? french < 1506734068 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Le français n'est pas le démon, visitez les Coupeurs. Ne pas couvrir. Meilleur avant! < 1506734075 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? japanese < 1506734076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506734927 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506735079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf, bonsoircah. < 1506735104 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1506735511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed the ysaclist < 1506735524 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're forgettable, I think < 1506735609 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ysaclist < 1506735610 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506735960 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was either on vacation and/or lagged when they were issued. last two episodes were very short :/ < 1506735978 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive technology was nice, tho. < 1506736059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506736141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Sure, sign me up for ptlist < 1506736173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506736215 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506736547 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ELECTRONIC CHICKEN < 1506736578 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ysac and pt? < 1506736684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pt is often physical therapy < 1506736795 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other times programming theory? < 1506736883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1506736906 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case I meant the first two words of boily's last sentence < 1506736921 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA! < 1506738304 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506738479 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506739544 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506740503 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: humans need sleep, unfortunately < 1506740771 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506740943 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506741073 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506743050 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506743301 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506745940 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506746303 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506746577 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506748202 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506749550 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506749619 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506749829 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506750681 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506751925 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506752894 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506755032 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506755121 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506755135 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506755257 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506755689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1506755814 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506756189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:22 i,i an esolang where every time you make a mistake one more thing becomes undefined behavior < 1506756194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:22 There's plenty of self-modifying code, but are there self-modifying languages? < 1506756364 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1506756747 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION good morning
< 1506756834 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506757014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morneb. < 1506757646 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506757672 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506759390 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506760128 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506762661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506763147 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506763248 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506764829 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There are self-modifying languages, I think < 1506765043 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506766487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dan zh 5* 10New user account < 1506766804 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53142&oldid=53140 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+136) 10 < 1506766909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dan zh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53143 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+101) 10Created page with "Hi! I am Danil! I like making translators from different languages. I'm Reacheable(sometimes) by IRC." < 1506766978 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506767003 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there! < 1506767799 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506768159 0 :dan_zh!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506770108 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcqplni9cagmzi.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506773911 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally got paper for my printer! < 1506773914 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I print < 1506773952 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :black pages until you run out of ink or toner :P < 1506773985 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dark brown if it's a color printer < 1506773994 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I'd probably run out of paper first < 1506774011 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd like to print something slightly more interesting < 1506774040 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "Quantum Lambda Calculi with Calssical Control: Syntax and Expressive Power" < 1506774258 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :print all papers from https://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP.htm ? ;-) < 1506774679 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or print the source code of X11R6, I hear it's a classic < 1506774957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe print a play. < 1506775483 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or #esoteric logs < 1506776451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print ASCII art to tape on your walls. < 1506776503 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention the time I hooked a tractor feed dot matrix printer to IRC? That got old fast. < 1506776508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're p. noisy.) < 1506776783 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that must have come as a big surprise ) < 1506777484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506779529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53144 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+583) 10Created page with "Countdown is a Quite Easy Esoteric Programming Translator. The code is here: global stack stack = [0 , 0, 0] print("Hello! This is the countdown translator!!") print("countdo..." < 1506779591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53145&oldid=53144 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+18) 10 < 1506779634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53146&oldid=53145 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+10) 10 < 1506779653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53147&oldid=53146 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+1) 10 < 1506779943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53148&oldid=53147 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+146) 10 < 1506780017 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53149&oldid=53148 5* 03Dan zh 5* (-55) 10 < 1506780032 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506780072 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53150&oldid=53149 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+33) 10 < 1506780090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countdown14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53151&oldid=53150 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+1) 10 < 1506780495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53152&oldid=53075 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+16) 10 < 1506780838 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506781461 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506782401 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506782493 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506783442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506784337 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506786453 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506788209 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506788503 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506788506 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1506789518 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you do not need to print something right away; it can be a waste of paper. Make a printout of something on the times when you need/want them. < 1506790295 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C85E.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506790639 0 :cyber4dude!~puppy@103.70.202.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506791657 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506792993 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506794520 0 :cyber4dude!~puppy@103.70.202.8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506795802 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506796069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506796194 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C85E.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506796386 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1506796416 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506798424 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506799804 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506801960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe print a calendar, if you do not already have one. < 1506802163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506802255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the kind of computer game I make up? It is not quite finish yet, but, many buildings are larger inside but not all; the castle is much smaller inside. On the outside it spans multiple screens, but on the inside it takes up less than a quarter of the screen (and part of the screen is taken up by a message "Why is this castle so small inside? It look much bigger outside") < 1506802335 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506802357 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cal -y | lpr < 1506802418 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes it is one way to print out the calendar, if you do not need to add the holidays and spaces to write your own markings per days and so on < 1506802599 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king and queen nevertheless does not want this kind of strange monsters in their castle (even though the note says that any people (or monsters) who solve this puzzle are allowed in) and will cast a spell on you!!! < 1506803250 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, thank you for the advice < 1506803268 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up print a chapter of a book on quantum lambda calculus (I am kind of into QLC right now) < 1506803468 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if you like that, then that is good < 1506803894 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506804037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does qlc work < 1506804210 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I should learn too, if you explain it please < 1506804272 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you are familiar with regular lambda calculus < 1506804288 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, simply typed lambda calculus < 1506804383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1506804481 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And linear typing? < 1506804738 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take a simply typed lambda calculus with linear typing, product types, and like the version I'm reading has sum types and also recursion < 1506804750 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a qubit type < 1506804755 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know linear logic, I don't know how linear typing is work < 1506804792 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if linear logic is related to linear typing < 1506804805 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know < 1506804845 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But linear typing is a way of encoding "you can only use this value once" in a type system < 1506804926 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, linear logic can do that too < 1506804951 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic is "you can only use this premise once (unless there's a bang)" - the connection is the usual one between lambda calculus and sequent calculus < 1506804958 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaiui) < 1506804979 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I think that is correct < 1506805008 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must use the premise as well... the same is true for the linear arguments in the linear lambda calculus < 1506805065 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it works out that linear typing is good for representing quantum state < 1506805068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : But linear typing is a way of encoding "you can only use this value once" in a type system < 1506805088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's because you're representing quantum computations that have to conserve information < 1506805089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct? < 1506805092 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1506805106 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should have said "exactly once", sorry) < 1506805183 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linear logic also has a question mark, which is like exclamation mark but on the other side of the logic instead. < 1506805228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1506805252 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1506805301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is !A the same as, uh, 1 & A & A⊗A & A⊗A⊗A & ... ? < 1506805460 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506805482 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read somewhere that it is possible to have multiple kind of ! and ? which act in the same way but are incompatible. < 1506805529 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't think that that is the case in QLC < 1506805589 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506805656 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you do get !x |- x though, and !x = !x,!x in contexts (in the sense that anything provable with !x,!x in the context is provable with !x and vice versa) < 1506805701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: And also !x |- 1, right? Or whatever that thing was. < 1506805712 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And !x |- !!x? < 1506805715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! behaves like a comonad and !x behaves like a comonoid. Or something. < 1506805746 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's no !!x in the syntax. < 1506805753 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in what I'm currently reading) < 1506805771 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Lambda Calculus for Quantum Computation" by van Tonder < 1506805783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(!x) < 1506805804 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1506805815 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood. Let me check < 1506805833 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, there is in what I am reading, Quantum Lambda Calculus by Selinger and Valiron < 1506805835 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you hget !x |- !!x < 1506805861 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfamiliar territory, mistakes happen :) < 1506805872 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in maybe two or three years I would like to do a PhD in QLC (once I have some money saved up) < 1506806041 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (what happened was that I was focussed on abstractions, where there's no !!x, instead of terms, where such a thing does exist) < 1506806103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstractions? < 1506806118 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :λx . t and λ!x . t < 1506806143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Maybe you should save up money by coming to work in California. < 1506806150 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could work at that quantum computing startup in Berkeley. < 1506806254 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the foreseeable future I'd much rather work in Europe < 1506806259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ! mean in a lambda? < 1506806302 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the argument is non-linear < 1506806329 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it corresponds to having !x in the proof context < 1506806332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a different type? < 1506806353 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's --> vs. --o < 1506806362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG < 1506807609 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I'm printing a copy of van Tonder's thing < 1506807975 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506808803 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506808804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506808808 0 :callforjudgement!?@? 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