< 1506816158 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506816215 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506816273 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://pbfcomics.com/ , in the bottom mosaic that seems at first as if it listed all strips, why isn't there a link to http://pbfcomics.com/comics/skub/ ? < 1506816326 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does the link to http://pbfcomics.com/comics/harmony/ show the wrong thumbnail image? < 1506816812 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does pasting a javascript: URI into the location bar when it is currently empty will cause it not to paste the scheme? < 1506816838 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is not empty it does paste the scheme, and if the scheme isn't javascript: then it also pastes the scheme) < 1506816902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what browser is this? is it possible that the scheme is logically there but hidden in the display of the url bar? firefox hides https:// in the url bar these days, but it's still there and gets copied when you select the whole thing < 1506816926 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also hides most percent-escapes showing them as the character they represent, which is much worse IMO < 1506816941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox. Also, it isn't logically there; if pasted and push return, it doesn't work! < 1506816968 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be other reasons why it doesn't work < 1506816969 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But about those other things hidden, I have gotten rid of them. I can show you the code I used to avoid hiding percent-escapes if you want it < 1506816997 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: No, it really isn't logically there; if I paste it and then add "javascript:" in front, then it does work. < 1506817017 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so important that I'd start fixing it. firefox has other bad things, and I won't spend my time fixing them all, except for the really orst ones. < 1506817067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506817097 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I wrote a document about how to make a better kind < 1506817117 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better kind of what? < 1506817231 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of web browser program < 1506817249 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats easy < 1506817265 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not for me. I want to make better software if I have time, but not browser. < 1506817268 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let other people do that. < 1506817269 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :something better than firefox has become a weekend job as of today < 1506817271 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1506817323 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plugins can fix some of the more annoying things in firefox. they made every part pretty hookable. < 1506817325 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I used a code like this: if(location=="chrome://browser/content/browser.xul") window.losslessDecodeURI=x=>x.spec; < 1506817342 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, they removed most hooks :( < 1506817347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did add several extensions as well as userChrome.js with many of my own codes < 1506817357 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not install the newer version with the removed most hooks < 1506817368 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? they removed hooks? when < 1506817385 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :fx57 does not support most of old XUL hooks < 1506817389 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This forces it to display percent encoding, I think, rather than the characters they represent) < 1506817390 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never will < 1506817417 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hooray, it can do sidebars now, but... < 1506817418 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1506817450 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think XPCOM is stupid, although I think XUL can be good (or something like it; HTML isn't as suitable here) < 1506817472 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the hooks that people used a lot that they removed, or the ones that nobody used? < 1506817491 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used userChrome.js to make a relative location bar feature. < 1506817512 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed most ways to modify your UI, excluding "add things to the sidebar" and "add a new toolbar button" < 1506817531 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :userChrome.css is an inadequate replacement IMO < 1506817545 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: Which isn't very good, as I have instead removed most toolbar buttons, rather than adding stuff. < 1506817554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't a CSS always the normal way to modify the UI? < 1506817562 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, their reason was "we need chrome compatibility" < 1506817566 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pukes  < 1506817581 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, no. < 1506817584 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :XUL was. < 1506817628 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :my firefox updated to 57 yesterday and i never hated using a computer so much in the last few decades-. < 1506817630 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the chrome window has IDs and classes and stuff suitable for CSS, then use of custom CSS codes should help somewhat, although still there are many things it will be no good at. < 1506817643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disabled updates to Firefox to avoid stuff like that < 1506817678 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write custom dialogs in HTML now, hooray. "dialogs", that is. no more access to firefox's own dialogs < 1506817696 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AFAIR the API to execute external applications has been removed for good < 1506817704 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :"security" my ass < 1506817723 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like opendownload² and vimperator are pretty much dead now. < 1506817731 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously consider going back to pale moon. < 1506817752 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Node.js API is better for executing external applications and files anyways < 1506817765 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(better than XPCOM, I mean) < 1506817782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: oh, so that's why the open-as extension was broken! < 1506817800 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was broken because they started to require that all extensions have to be signed or something like that < 1506817808 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I have done is actually hexediting one of the .so files, in order to remove support for HSTS. < 1506817823 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, maybe. i wrote the OpenDownload² extension and i was reported that it does almost the same... yup, not possible anymore < 1506817841 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :crapzilla < 1506817894 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains a lot < 1506817907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the document I wrote about how to make a better web browser program: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/web_browser < 1506817908 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed they broken some plugins, but I thought they broke them in some other way < 1506817974 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like vivaldi would be nice, but with a more flexible UI (= scriptable) < 1506817980 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :or qutebrowser with plugin support < 1506817982 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1506818055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you will think of the ideas I wrote? < 1506818091 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user is assumed to be an expert at the computer << :DD lovely < 1506818459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all? < 1506818759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506818770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506818956 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no objections _generally_. < 1506818974 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506819039 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an objection not-generally, or any suggestion, question, comment, complaint, etc? < 1506819115 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm positive that the only relevant rule is "assumed to be an expert" because that will inevitably lead to most of the other features. < 1506819203 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does; I don't quite know. But it does seem like it can be possible. < 1506819646 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506819711 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like farbfeld? < 1506819719 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried < 1506819756 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fairly nice simple image format. < 1506819760 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506819772 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit niche, but it's handy if you're wanting to just write simple image filters or something. < 1506819786 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think where you'd use PBM, only... it sucks less. < 1506819889 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so too, actually. Have you written any image filters (or converters) for use with farbfeld? < 1506819928 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple, though they were just toys. < 1506819955 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18a4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.164 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506819986 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written many, and if you have any that I do not have, then it can be useful to add them too (or make a link) < 1506820147 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have a NTSC decoder, but not a NTSC encoder. There is also no TV frame encoder/decoder. < 1506820175 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it does not include a feature to find and use an existing colour burst signal to set the phase) < 1506820353 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the TV frame decoder program should take raw audio data (at a high but irrelevant sample rate, and also it isn't actually meant as audio) from stdin and produce a grey scale farbfeld picture on stdout, based on the retrace signals and so on that it finds, with specified framing options (such as in case you wish to include colour burst signal in output). < 1506821248 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506821784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1506821785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Oct 1 00:36:23 UTC 2017 < 1506821838 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is revolutionary < 1506821840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is revolutionary < 1506821844 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506821961 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506821973 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506822097 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506822213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we allowing random dudes on the wiki now... < 1506822481 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the introductions page is pretty long. < 1506822553 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: . o O ( do you like rotating passwords? ) < 1506822883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: only on HackEgo hth < 1506822953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1506822960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats int-e -----### < 1506823448 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506824071 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotate your password 90° for an even hash < 1506824765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506825754 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I fell asleep when I didn't mean to and now I am tired but wide awake < 1506825763 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's quarter to three in the morning < 1506825768 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the most fun time to be up < 1506826102 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506826127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506826363 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PART #esoteric : < 1506826387 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506826896 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: never drink, kids < 1506827553 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506827821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you play Flood < 1506827832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you antediluvian twh < 1506828138 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tatham game? i usually don't play it more than a couple times when i get around to it. < 1506828209 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION currently on Slant < 1506830655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote the program to convert farbfeld into XBM, too < 1506831684 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506834485 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506834503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506834603 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1506835124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506835167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506835344 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506835511 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:71ed:3638:7221:8579 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506835858 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506836036 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you classify the story of computer game: You are trying to go to Mornington Crescent but suddenly your wing broke and you fell down and got badly injured, and the only thing you have is a unloaded gun. But, this is ZZT, so there are magic diamonds that can help you! < 1506836636 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1506838163 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506838368 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506841065 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506841088 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506841687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506842371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506842416 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:30a1:68fc:d60e:6dac JOIN :#esoteric < 1506844409 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506848330 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506848914 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506849968 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506850177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506850533 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, last night I was trying to implement System F in Agda < 1506850571 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've got it right though < 1506850942 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C92C.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506852715 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506852743 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506854447 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1506854534 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506854648 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506856104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506858115 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C92C.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506860749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506861009 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506861188 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506864417 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506866137 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506866430 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506867238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jsteilberg 5* 10New user account < 1506867370 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53154&oldid=53153 5* 03Jsteilberg 5* (+220) 10added my intro < 1506867413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53155&oldid=53154 5* 03Jsteilberg 5* (+13) 10 < 1506867506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53156&oldid=53155 5* 03Jsteilberg 5* (+106) 10Is it four tildes to sign? Not really sure, sorry < 1506867714 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506868659 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506868719 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506868815 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-209-050.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506869376 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506870454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506870483 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506870605 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506872244 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506872898 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506873294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506873617 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: me < 1506873733 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1506874127 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506875269 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506875291 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506875391 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1506875765 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C92C.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506876785 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506878494 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506879189 0 :Guest65841!?@? NICK :Slereah < 1506879313 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506879817 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506880115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember once I used prompt().toString() in a bookmarklet code, I think (It seem strange, but it does work.) < 1506880130 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is really esoteric < 1506880364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506881279 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1506882129 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1506882224 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506882306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1506882400 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcane, maybe, esoteric, not. < 1506882433 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where you can never be sure if your comparison is true or false is probably rather esoteric < 1506882433 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1506882465 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you not sure if the comparison is true or false? The rules for such thing in JavaScript look clearly enough to me < 1506882476 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: you must be talking about PHP < 1506882489 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://charlieharvey.org.uk/page/javascript_the_weird_parts < 1506882495 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :php does *not* do that < 1506882531 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: php: command not found < 1506882552 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1506882605 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`php < 1506882610 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: php: not found < 1506882620 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -rf / < 1506882621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try 'rm --help' for more information. < 1506882623 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1506882632 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :( < 1506882651 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w QNKCDZO < 1506882653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise. < 1506882658 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't try to destroy the sandbox. it has some safety guards but they aren't perfect. < 1506882662 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? QNKCDZO < 1506882664 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QNKCDZO? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506882700 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: bash: php: command not found << probably a bash issue. all of my powershell, ksh and tcsh systems know php! < 1506882707 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered to file a bug? :D < 1506882723 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n 240610708 | md5sum -; echo -n QNKCDZO | md5sum - < 1506882724 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0e462097431906509019562988736854 - \ 0e830400451993494058024219903391 - < 1506882758 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: nah I just don't use php at home :P < 1506882773 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it's a feature < 1506882778 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i randomly maintain my old wordpress plugins < 1506882782 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires php < 1506882783 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1506882820 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But somehow, I do have php at work. < 1506882985 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case this was one surprising pitfall of magical comparisons... < 1506883833 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: VASCULAR CHICKEN < 1506884001 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506884008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506884119 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506884730 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@185.159.156.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506884817 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506884844 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506884879 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506885263 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506885282 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506885516 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506885847 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506885999 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506887209 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1506887801 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think that some of the somewhat recent stuff in JavaScript is good stuff, such as typed arrays, generator functions, and arrow functions; I use that stuff. < 1506887838 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript was never meant for actual programming < 1506887847 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :that becomes obvious these days < 1506887939 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506887942 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think it works for that though (sometimes; it depends on the program) < 1506887967 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can write everything in any programming language if you just try hard enough < 1506887974 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you really should not. < 1506888360 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a level editor for a DOS game once in JavaScript (mainly because the editor included with the game does not work correctly on DOSBOX, although on a true DOS computer it works OK) < 1506888378 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a website in COBOL < 1506888385 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't recommend to do that < 1506888502 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do program in C as well < 1506888567 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I. still less esoteric than javascript ^^ < 1506888802 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506889073 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This level editor is using SDL, although I also wrote a program in JavaScript to calculate the character points for a GURPS game, which only uses stdio < 1506889132 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know to play any GURPS game? < 1506889479 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506889535 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1506891131 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506891344 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506893540 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@185.159.156.6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506893551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ivancr7214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53157&oldid=50934 5* 03Ivancr72 5* (-192) 10 < 1506894718 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506895988 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506896372 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any command in vim to allow syntax highlighting to be used on stuff that is displayed using the "lcs" option rather than only using SpecialKey and NonText highlighting? < 1506897287 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506897879 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506898320 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506899284 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e8ef:6083:f7d0:2f78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506899382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506899578 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e8ef:6083:f7d0:2f78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506899889 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506900015 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506901759 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C92C.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506901949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506902402 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1506902421 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506902714 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506903026 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506903286 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506903518 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. the fungot has left :( < 1506903869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506903875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:betty crocker//Betty Crocker is a notorious gambler. \ manglophobia//Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms. \ nth//nth is not that helpful \ s//Esses are confusing. \ ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. Th < 1506903924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506903925 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. < 1506903926 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506904634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam-Flavored Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53158&oldid=52440 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+0) 10 < 1506906074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506906583 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Challenger514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53159&oldid=52467 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+762) 10 < 1506907900 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1506908541 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves at fungot < 1506908541 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dromiceiomimus, i have a great idea, dromiceiomimus: stories for women < 1506908887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our internet left. (And then came back.) < 1506908896 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1506908898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506908904 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1506908905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :834) elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done. okay well that is called not linux < 1506909309 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CAUGHT CHICKEN < 1506910262 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506912274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506912681 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506913602 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1506915448 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506916533 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1506918766 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506921001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506921408 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506923329 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506924455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506926531 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506928561 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506929181 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506930860 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506934007 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1506935458 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9964:fc08:1ed6:56c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506935938 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506936242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506936786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506939496 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506939874 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506940455 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-106-105.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506941166 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506941349 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506943807 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid thought: Windows renamed the Explorer program to File Explorer between Windows 7 and Windows 10, presumably because "Explorer" was too confusing: http://pbfcomics.com/comics/cave-explorer/ < 1506944066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506944968 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xkcd.com/1897/ - they could outsource driving to twitch chat < 1506945032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I brought up this point about gamifying the AI task we want to solve for a work project, but my supervisor said no. < 1506945327 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean like twitch plays pokemon? < 1506945327 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1506945353 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1506945410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's possible that twitch chat isn't the best format for getting the driving input, but it could still be turned to a game through internet and twitch would popularize the game < 1506945455 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitch usually has a higher latency than you could get if you made a game that only people with a good enough net connection could play (or at least only people with a good net connection would give input that actually matters for driving the car) < 1506946522 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SHED CHICKEN < 1506947168 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9964:fc08:1ed6:56c3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506947439 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506949597 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506949885 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:80ea:c5f6:6e03:571b JOIN :#esoteric < 1506951074 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506952219 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506952848 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506954027 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506955411 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506956468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 140 < 1506956469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :140.00°F = 60.00°C < 1506958012 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506958050 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a mass shooting with over 50 people dead yesterday in Las Vegas. < 1506958067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, not in Last Vegas, but somewher else in Nevada < 1506958081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :close < 1506959393 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gzip/gzip-1.8.tar.xz < 1506959667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they also have a tar.gz at the same place < 1506959670 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same version < 1506959719 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1506959741 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also funny but in a different way. < 1506959775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think they'd have uncompressed source < 1506959780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the purpose of gzip < 1506959808 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the time I wrote a version of uudecode using only printable characters… < 1506959841 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more specifically, I wrote an encoder similar to uuencode that produced executables as output; you could run this on uudecode itself in order to get uudecode onto a system that didn't have it) < 1506959845 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but on the other hand, you also can't bootstrap building a shell without having a shell, and can't build a C compiler if you don't have a C compiler, and compared to either of those, gzip is much more well spread < 1506959863 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506959882 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: C compilers should be provided as executables for that reason (and commonly are) < 1506959893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to the source form < 1506959898 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, zlib is likely literally the software that's installed in the most places, and it's not that hard to write gzip from libc; < 1506959902 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/libc/zlib/ < 1506959921 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a shell with no shell could be tricky, perhaps you could do it via repeatedly rebooting the system and setting the compiler, linker, etc. as init < 1506959927 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's also a very portable gzip decompressor at https://pts.50.hu/muzcat-mini-latest.tar.gz < 1506959941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is much more limited and slower than gzip, but still works < 1506959955 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that this is pretty much just theoretical; you're unlikely to have a working compiler and linker but no working shell) < 1506959958 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're most likely to have a decompressor that understands gzip than a program that understands that version of tar too < 1506959966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not TRUE < 1506959984 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people have problems with building very portable programs on windows because it's hard to find a suitable shell to run the build scripts < 1506959993 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for C programs that are very portable so they're easy to build < 1506959995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1506959997 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has a working shell, though (two, in fact) < 1506960008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the programs in question have build scripts written for a different dialect of shellscript < 1506960010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need a gnu make, but gnu make provides a shell script to build itself without needing any make first < 1506960025 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's why I say a posix-like shell < 1506960028 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha talking about? < 1506960030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides you could probably just build it with aimake < 1506960032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically bash, but nothing windows-like < 1506960043 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: trying to build build tools without having the build tool itself in advance < 1506960065 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated < 1506960095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't like is how 7-zip now only distributes the latest versions of its source code in 7-zip and self-extracting 7-zip formats, and the self-extracting part runs only on windows (you can extract it with a 7zip program anywhere), < 1506960096 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an OS missing build tools is something of an esolang in its own right < 1506960097 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506960102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has commands but not the ones you actually wanted < 1506960113 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that the source code has the command-line version that works on unices too < 1506960122 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 7zip works < 1506960125 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in previous versions, they used to distribute the source code as bzip2 < 1506960134 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as zip or something < 1506960145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Debian still distributes it as xz or something? < 1506960160 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably something like that, I don't know how they compress their programs < 1506960168 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAR and other zip utilities understand 7zip format < 1506960170 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506960204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if anyone wants, I can give you all parts of 7-zip packed in whatever reasonable format you want < 1506960213 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have zip versions of some of what they distrubute < 1506960223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about unreasonable formats? < 1506960240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the windows executables, I keep them just in case < 1506960248 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should distribute the source code in zip format < 1506960284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should be distributed as an uncompressed shar < 1506960285 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can provide some unreasonable formats too, but not just any unreasonable format < 1506960286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was reasonable once < 1506960291 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506960295 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure I used it for something as a joke at one point, possibly C-INTERCAL < 1506960311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, maybe I posted a new version of C-INTERCAL to Usenet directly for tradition's sake? < 1506960319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing I'd do < 1506960336 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506960371 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7ZIP works on my Ubuntu. < 1506960431 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, whats a 'hypercide' < 1506960453 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, BTW whats a 'hypercube' < 1506960455 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes, that's p7zip, 7zip's own command-line port to linux, which works almost the same as their windows command-line version < 1506960464 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :works more or less decently but with a horrible user interface < 1506960472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: a hypercube is a 4 (or more)-dimensional generalization of a cube < 1506960472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :developped by the 7-zip devs themselves < 1506960478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hypercube < 1506960479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506960492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of a cube as being two squares, with corresponding corners connected < 1506960505 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fairly easy to visualise because humans are used to both 2D and 3D < 1506960514 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Welcome to the international hyper cube for esoteric languages' < 1506960517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the two squares are in separate 2D planes < 1506960537 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was wrong! < 1506960550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a hypercube is that a dimension higher up; you get two 3D cubes in separate 3D spaces (think parallel universes or the like), and then connect all the corners < 1506960553 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they provide the source code of the unix command-line version at least as bz2 < 1506960556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, corresponding corners < 1506960559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the channel topic here is rarely serious < 1506960564 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only the windows version that they only provide as 7zip and msi currently < 1506960567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone wrote "hypercube" rather than "IRC channel" as a joke < 1506960573 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is NOT a geometry IRC channel! < 1506960590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should provide the standalone windows command-line version as a zip, so you can easily use it without admin privilages < 1506960593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1506960594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as I thought < 1506960594 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one understands IRC jokes. < 1506960596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard topic is something along the lines of "welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment" < 1506960629 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people have a tendency to change it due to messing around and not enough people are inclined to change it back < 1506960641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1506960651 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1506960652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better < 1506960656 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it seems like 7-zip is careful, they made sure the source code for the unix command-line version is written in C (not C++) and all source files have 8.3 filenames, so I can provide it in quite a few unreasonable formats of old dos compressor programs nobody even remembers anymore < 1506960665 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 7zip got to do with build tools. 7zip's a decompressor < 1506960665 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've had this one before and it's actually /more/ precise than the usual topic < 1506960681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: if the source code you're trying to build is in .7z format < 1506960684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, 7zip's is < 1506960698 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1506960725 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would like to note that xz actually distributes pre-built DOS binaries though < 1506960730 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually looked at 7zips source code < 1506960747 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: neat < 1506960751 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: this channel can drift to off-topic sometimes < 1506960752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much demand is there for DOS binaries of NetHack, btw? < 1506960763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our current DOS maintainer has disappeared and I'm wondering if I should try to take over < 1506960767 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: WOW! < 1506960790 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatz nethack? < 1506960791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I stayed away from this channel for months because I disliked how offtopic it had gotten < 1506960796 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. I have a custom DOS binary for the joe-editor that I can distribute. It's not perfect, but I used it for text editing a lot. < 1506960798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: computer game, famous for being old and portable < 1506960812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's famous for being portable? I didn't know of that < 1506960825 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well it runs on a huge number of platforms, especially if you take older versions < 1506960826 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dont understand computer games < 1506960844 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have an old computer with an unusual OS and want to play a game on it often send us questions about what version they can run on it < 1506960859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought old programs from back then just (a) had to do that out of necessity, and (b) are automatically portable because everyone implements the few thousand functions those old programs used from the old BSD libc or whatever, including crazy ones like index. < 1506960862 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: they're basically a way to practice skills in a controlled environment, while having fun < 1506960886 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, they often send you (as in the devteam) questions, really? < 1506960888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some games train skills like reaction time and coordination, others about more mental skills like planning andp uzzle solving < 1506960902 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do, then yes, it is notable for being portable < 1506960917 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i dont put my head into the games.(And in the cloud) < 1506960919 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, one of our most common sorts of email (that isn't a bug report) is "can you recommend a version of NetHack that I can play on my «insert old computer system here»?" < 1506960941 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a NetHack dev? < 1506960943 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess that could be true, after all, someone wondered about a port to that old nokia personal organizer < 1506960949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes < 1506960981 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that linked with esoteric programming languages? < 1506961026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: porting programs to old systems is an eso-programming topic already, but this channel often drifts off-topic too < 1506961031 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the release of NetHack 3.6.0 only came about as a consequence of the existence of INTERCAL < 1506961034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly just coincidence < 1506961047 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. This channel gets offtopic all the time < 1506961082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a fairly long dependency chain (although still a clear one that's possible to trace) < 1506961083 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric title changed! < 1506961099 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1506961112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are fairly easy to change < 1506961121 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you change it? < 1506961124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1506961133 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1506961138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: also, if you look at nethack's source code in detail, you'll see it looks sort of like eso-programming now, even though the practices it uses made sense back when it was developped, and it's a lot of work to rewrite it. < 1506961143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be changed to something else by tomorrow, though, knowing this channel < 1506961160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IMO it'd be great if the game itself were Turing-complete, but I'm fairly sure it isn't < 1506961161 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting. < 1506961175 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi int-e! < 1506961193 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something? < 1506961193 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you look: poorly drawn < 1506961201 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks so much < 1506961201 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a new day dawns... < 1506961211 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1506961211 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1506961220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bot written in Befunge < 1506961220 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all that means is that if a building? it is the east, and plagiarism is < 1506961242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a few functions, one of the main ones is trying and failing to say something intelligible in response to people mentioning its name < 1506961244 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say your source code out loud < 1506961244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. < 1506961258 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961258 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961273 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961273 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961277 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: fungot doesn't actually know English, so you have to express it in a language fungot does understand < 1506961277 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: t-rex, i left a party early to go have a bath, and there i don't feel like i look down and notice you're not there < 1506961307 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What language do you speak? < 1506961307 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: to turn back time and live again with your sweetie! i'm sure one will look for them, i have come up with a " i have lots, probably! if not, we can make the cutest cards ever for a series of puns. < 1506961331 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a buisness deal with a bot!? < 1506961336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Underload! ):*:*:*S < 1506961336 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! < 1506961347 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also brainfuck but it's harder to write programs in that quickly < 1506961358 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen brainfuck! < 1506961359 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Underload < 1506961362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1506961364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>>.<++.>-.>+++++++.+++++.<+++++.<+++.>---.>---.>+++++.-. [171] < 1506961375 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, HackEgo < 1506961397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is our main esoteric programming language interpretation bot < 1506961408 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people normally use it for messing around rather than for actually running esolang programs < 1506961409 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1506961418 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask some vague questions about esoteric language development, in a rubber duck style. < 1506961419 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use him? < 1506961435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to interpret an esolang, you type `! then the language name then the program < 1506961440 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul(Hi!):*:*:*S < 1506961447 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a space < 1506961452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after ^ul < 1506961469 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hi!):*:*:*S < 1506961469 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi! < 1506961488 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck +- < 1506961498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+- doesn't produce any visible output < 1506961506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you'd need `! brainfuck +- < 1506961512 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brainfuck +[.+] < 1506961513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/brainfuck: not found < 1506961517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, need a cell width < 1506961520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +[.+] < 1506961521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ < 1506961533 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! bf8 +[.++] < 1506961543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed the ` < 1506961556 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +[.++] < 1506961557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1506961562 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I have a simple core esoteric language, which doesn't have much IO facilities, plus a standard library, which can have optional parts, for doing IO. The library has an interface that matches the language features, so you could give the same interface as the library functions have if you wrote those functions in that language based implemented from any reasonable other IO facilities, built-in or otherwise. < 1506961573 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh.. < 1506961585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how C has a core language with not much IO facilities, plus a standard library, only this one is esoteric. < 1506961591 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. < 1506961594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +++++[->++++++<]>++[.+] < 1506961594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ < 1506961606 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that for? < 1506961615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: trying to produce useful output with a fairly short program < 1506961623 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961623 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core language is rather simple, which I like. Would it ruin the beauty of that simplicity to provide such an IO library? < 1506961641 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... < 1506961650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't get why it doesn't start with space < 1506961664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it does < 1506961668 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye... < 1506961676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with ​ !" for me < 1506961687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have a meeting now, bye everyone < 1506961694 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1506961695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1506961699 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, there's a space after the header hackego always ouputs to avoid triggering other bots < 1506961715 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1506961724 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need Lunch. Bye < 1506961736 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit: lunch < 1506961760 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1506961775 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what programming language fungot uses? < 1506961775 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: and in the book, i tell people that the key to a good diet! she never did in the past. now i'll have that one, the one on a boat can float along for years without crew or sails or a working knowledge, you can never again be able to look in a mirror < 1506961798 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, how do i disable f***** < 1506961822 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: it's implemented in befunge. you can write macros for it in brainfuck and underload. < 1506961920 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who made fungoat < 1506961934 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be disabled, but you can sneak invisible characters in and confuse it. < 1506961949 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i do that < 1506961960 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fizzie's creation I believe. < 1506961981 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungоt <- unicode is also an option < 1506961987 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots are their? < 1506961993 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode о < 1506961994 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] < 1506962020 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ao < 1506962020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] < 1506962024 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1506962026 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1506962035 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of those are still here < 1506962043 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos lambdabot? < 1506962057 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1506962059 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1506962062 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot ! < 1506962075 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[23..] < 1506962091 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacenotoptional < 1506962103 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1506962115 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[2..] < 1506962119 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [23..] < 1506962122 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,... < 1506962129 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506962139 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [24..] < 1506962141 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,... < 1506962150 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1506962163 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos jbot < 1506962164 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1506962166 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1506962188 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming language is THAT! < 1506962219 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1506962237 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh! Why Haskell in esolang? < 1506962254 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1506962254 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 021520Z 26007KT 9999 -RA FEW080 SCT100 BKN150 17/11 Q1019 NOSIG < 1506962263 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, and it relays messages < 1506962267 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1506962274 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google metar < 1506962276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ < 1506962288 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ohh < 1506962311 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR is more useful, I guess < 1506962320 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar pirr < 1506962320 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962330 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to provide an ICAO airport code < 1506962333 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PIR < 1506962362 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, WHAT DID @METAR LOWI DO? < 1506962370 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar kpir < 1506962370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KPIR 021453Z AUTO 31003KT 10SM CLR 11/08 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP108 T01060078 51012 < 1506962394 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS METAR NEEDED? < 1506962404 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar RAP < 1506962407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everybody likes talking about the weather. < 1506962423 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that message do? < 1506962438 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar rap < 1506962452 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LAS < 1506962460 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :icao has four letter codes. < 1506962501 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For most US airpoirts it's K followed by the IATA code, I believe. < 1506962515 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KLAS < 1506962515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KLAS 021456Z 36015G25KT 330V030 10SM FEW180 20/M06 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP071 T02001061 51028 < 1506962542 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the above message from lambdabot mean? < 1506962574 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KRAP < 1506962574 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAP 021452Z 32005KT 10SM SCT039 BKN046 08/05 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP132 T00780050 53014 < 1506962587 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFC < 1506962587 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 20°C, very dry, windy... < 1506962587 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962606 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you parse it? < 1506962614 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 20/M06 part is temperature and dewpoint. < 1506962622 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, see the METAR wikipedia page < 1506962632 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I better do < 1506962644 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google metar < 1506962645 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ < 1506962657 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wikipedia metar < 1506962657 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1506962662 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1506962662 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1506962725 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit: reading longggggg wiki page < 1506962735 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506962759 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@METAR SFRUN < 1506962759 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1506962773 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar SFRUN < 1506962787 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the code for Russia? < 1506962891 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UCFM < 1506962891 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCFM 021530Z 12005MPS 8000 BKN066CB 11/07 Q1011 R26/CLRD70 NOSIG < 1506962922 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar oss < 1506962934 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UOSS < 1506962934 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962940 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar OSS < 1506963023 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFG < 1506963023 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963031 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFG < 1506963031 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963043 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tHAT IS A AIRPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1506963132 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506963183 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506963194 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFS < 1506963194 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963244 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UUEE < 1506963244 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUEE 021530Z 07002MPS 9999 OVC017 04/02 Q1032 R24R/CLRD62 R24L/CLRD62 NOSIG < 1506963922 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506964050 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506964395 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506964611 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1506964769 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot <- unicode < 1506964770 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way? i could have this hyper-evolved speaking that could convince anyone to do whatever i want!! < 1506964781 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1506964781 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: hey, i have unfocused, but at the end, to ask me what my favourite suffix. < 1506964799 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Really? < 1506965005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1506965007 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something? < 1506965046 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1506965046 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1506965066 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot Hi < 1506965078 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ hi < 1506965091 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!) < 1506965103 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1506965189 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KRAP < 1506965190 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAP 021552Z 35007KT 10SM FEW046 08/05 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP133 T00780050 < 1506965441 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506965672 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506965711 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDFs from professional organizations that still read "Microsoft Word - whatever.doc" as their title... Why < 1506965948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a S in that ul. < 1506965949 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S < 1506965949 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1506965968 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a thing where it only answers one person at most three or four times in a row, to stop loops. < 1506966061 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1506966080 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how are you? any new panoramas? < 1506966128 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks! < 1506966141 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul(hi!)S < 1506966159 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S < 1506966159 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1506966169 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have taken some (using the built in function on the phone) but I have not yet uploaded it anywhere < 1506966200 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ <-unicode < 1506966236 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha talkin` about < 1506966241 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506966272 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S*:*:* < 1506966272 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! ...out of stack! < 1506966303 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot < 1506966310 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: hi < 1506966311 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |value error: hi < 1506966321 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jb: help < 1506966333 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jbot: help < 1506966355 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: help < 1506966356 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |value error: help < 1506966372 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2 < 1506966373 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 4 < 1506966382 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently the jpeg is 47 MB huh < 1506966404 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? < 1506966421 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2% < 1506966422 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |syntax error < 1506966422 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: | 2 *2% < 1506966528 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2*2*2*2 < 1506966529 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 32 < 1506966560 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, manager... < 1506966583 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506966586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mm, probably, but I don't have a list anywhere. I've been mostly defaulting to using the phone's built-in thing as well. I had that home-built panorama head for the previous Sorta-Real Camera, but it doesn't fit the Real Camera. < 1506966626 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I went to a nature reserve that was a previous forest fire area (big forest fire) a couple of years ago. Very different nature < 1506966638 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should upload some pictures somewhere. Dropbox may work < 1506966644 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506966673 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We went to Scotland again this summer, I'm sure I took some photos there. < 1506966683 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 1112234578*11111111 < 1506966684 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 12358161854196158 < 1506966724 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION HI < 1506966773 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is'nt this channel offtop < 1506966784 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1506966788 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always < 1506966809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often, though. < 1506966817 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonass < 1506966825 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506966886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ie7mmypeovlr1n2/AADV2B4P4Kd66X_HXXbDI-T2a?dl=0 < 1506966922 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506966976 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hopefully I shared in the proper way. I think dropbox redesigned the interface or something, doesn't work like I remember it < 1506967014 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a little ontop question < 1506967022 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: sure, what is it? < 1506967041 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are esolangs needed?# < 1506967060 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: why is any hobby needed? < 1506967091 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so esolangs are hobbies. I met a dev who used esolangs to get money. < 1506967113 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how? < 1506967123 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they can be educational as well < 1506967159 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn about computing in the restricted domain of esolangs. Or learn to write a compiler more easily than for a real language. < 1506967177 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506967203 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, his manager gave him Money per line of code. To make a simple program he got a esolang which a) obfuscated his code b) was longer then even java < 1506967232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds to me you don't need a different language for that. < 1506967238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, by one of the popular definitions, if practical use is the primary intention, it isn't an esolang. < 1506967250 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How our wiki puts it is: "An esoteric programming language, or esolang, is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use." < 1506967253 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. Well obviously his manager doesn't understand good coding practice. Also that is a shitty way to get paid < 1506967255 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whatever you did seems to have worked. Looks nice. Not that different from some parts of Finland. < 1506967269 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all the trees are dead. Forest fire. < 1506967283 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acttually, a Brainf interpreter is easier to make than a BASIC one < 1506967287 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is not that they lost their leaves for the winter < 1506967312 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the landscape felt kind of spooky. Lots of signs about increased risk of falling trees and such. < 1506967333 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: indeed! so good for education to learn the basics of interpreter writing < 1506967346 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising brainfuck compiler is quite interesting too < 1506967346 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1506967349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to be the payment by a fixed amount, regardless of how large it is or how much time it takes, assuming the program is good. < 1506967362 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506967408 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what do Water Supply managers now about Coding & computers. A misterious box with weird lamps. < 1506967428 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1506967462 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, it was a anecdote from a guy's forum. Could be true, though < 1506967473 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the way I work. Paid a fixed monthly salary and having a reasonably secure job (i.e. not just for a single project) < 1506967498 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also. Only i am a student not a adult. < 1506967538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pay one fixed amount per project is better, rather than per month or per hour or whatever < 1506967563 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of you are right i n some way < 1506967574 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only if you work on a project basis, as supposed to continued development of a large product < 1506967592 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1506967620 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: told you this channel goes offtop < 1506967649 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes I only said: danil> Is'nt this channel offtop always not always < 1506967661 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never disputed "sometimes" or even "often" < 1506967731 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: mind you, it isn't as if we are interrupting some on topic stuff that is going on at the same time < 1506967785 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I always do that < 1506967810 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh! My IRC clien is slowwing down.... < 1506967813 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :always do what? < 1506967822 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1506967829 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad internet? < 1506967832 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be to dramatic < 1506967849 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Na, Buggy Linux + Buggy IRC < 1506967877 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is slow < 1506967886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ubuntu atm. Ubuntu LTS < 1506967890 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a core 2 duo laptop < 1506967893 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1506967902 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgraded it with an SSD, but that is it < 1506967907 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 17.04 Acer Aspire V5 < 1506967909 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506967925 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate LTS. I'm bleeding edge < 1506967929 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 16.04 LTS, Thinkpad from ~2009 < 1506967945 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you would hate what I run on my desktop < 1506967949 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian stable < 1506967965 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1506967967 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should totally use arch or gentoo then. Probably arch < 1506967987 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what" in response to what? < 1506968002 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use OpenSuSe(12) on my Desktop < 1506968023 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you a GPL activist? < 1506968033 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I like debian stable and ubuntu lts. Means it just works except when I upgrade every two or three years. < 1506968050 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I used GPL for my own befunge-98 interpreters < 1506968060 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTS for me is too stable... < 1506968068 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like crashing Linux < 1506968079 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this LTS has some annoying bugs with the old intel graphics of this laptop < 1506968101 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the on resume from suspend chrome starts flickering black. Firefox is fine < 1506968104 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Beer Liscence Activist. Like BSD liscense also < 1506968113 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE FIREFOX. < 1506968126 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use AMD < 1506968141 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they are just browsers. As long as they can run scriptmonkey and stylish, whatever < 1506968168 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(greasemonkey/tampermonkey, depending on browser) < 1506968212 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968214 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Suppose your right. I Just installed a new IRC client called Polari. Everything does not work < 1506968222 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1506968228 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: I use hexchat. I used xchat before that. < 1506968238 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just works < 1506968259 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to spend all my time making computers work. I rather be productive with them. < 1506968280 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldnt configure hexchat. It was confusing. I now just use the Ubuntu Chat app < 1506968293 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? huh < 1506968310 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Chat just works < 1506968325 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for now < 1506968333 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu chat? what is that? < 1506968354 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chat Application < 1506968370 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh, but what is it based on? Pidgin? < 1506968383 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you I run ubuntu and debian with MATE. Not a fan of the default ubuntu unity thing < 1506968399 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought ubuntu bundled pidgin < 1506968406 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. More quicker and agile. I am using KDE with Unity apps < 1506968450 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chat is quicker than a pidgeon. Pidgeon's are slow and dangerous < 1506968457 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, this hardware couldn't handle that < 1506968483 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually run cinamon on my desktop, instead of mate. Switched when upgrading debian most recently < 1506968490 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just installed kubuntu-desktop through terminal.# < 1506968512 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a KDE fanatic. < 1506968523 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: the GUI is just a terminal multiplexer for most of what I do. < 1506968533 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506968566 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why I use the most minimal (in terms of resources) gui i can < 1506968577 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, LXDE or XFCE < 1506968602 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: there are enough GUI programs I use. Image editing, web browser, IDEs. That sort of stuff. < 1506968612 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i3wm with a random assortment of programs < 1506968680 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably work just as well as MATE, LXDE or XFCE yes < 1506968701 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the inertia of learning a new system, when the keyboard shortcuts are ingrained in your fingers < 1506968702 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while i was using two computers. one that didn't run a desktop at all, which i dialed into from the other, which was running puppy linux < 1506968793 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1506968881 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968889 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone calls me a greybeard < 1506968927 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506968942 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968950 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506968955 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: being a greybeard pays well doesn't it < 1506969794 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970380 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970459 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GUI IS A TERMMINAL MULTIPLEXER < 1506970476 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506971292 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506971328 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : <\oren\_> Vorpal: that's why I use the most minimal (in terms of resources) gui i can << twm? < 1506971343 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything other than twm uses more resources. < 1506971357 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :{yes, even that shiny i3wm} < 1506971381 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still considering between stumpwm and windowmaker  < 1506971403 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :those gnome wannabes are too apple'ish < 1506971441 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: Ahhhh! My IRC clien is slowwing down.... < write your own one :D < 1506971456 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered running without a window manager... < 1506971472 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I'm not really serious, but it does seem to be a valid question ;-) ) < 1506971478 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TTY is not a minimal GUI! < 1506971484 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not a GUI :x < 1506971548 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: you can run X without a window manager < 1506971555 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should look up if i3wm uses more ressources than herbstluft < 1506971556 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll end up placing everything manually though < 1506971581 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, uh, placing and optionally decorating windows is one of the main tasks of window managers. < 1506971583 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i3wm *does* use more resources than twm. < 1506971632 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "placing manually" I mean passing -geometry options to everything. < 1506972022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506972092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506972189 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506972820 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506973285 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506973291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use i3wm, but may later write my own. < 1506973497 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't. < 1506973515 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you'll learn a lot, but: don't. :D there are too many WMs already. < 1506973547 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i miss the good old times when everyone wrote text editors, not wms..) < 1506973717 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which I need to finish my text editor < 1506973781 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1506973830 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to finish my xmarks alternative. and my gopher client. and my irc client. and my text editor. and my reddit bot. and my two file managers. < 1506973832 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won. < 1506973868 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure zzo38 is winning the local vapourware contest. < 1506973904 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know the list of projects i haven't even STARTED yet! < 1506973925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe Feather counts for a dozen ordinary vapourware projects. < 1506974000 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's in an earlier stage than vapourware < 1506974014 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vapourware normally has the advantage of at least being known to be theoretically possible to write < 1506974599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506974618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506975019 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:80ea:c5f6:6e03:571b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506975187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I might write a window manager. That way I can learn how it is working, but also just to put the stuff I wanted (I don't need all of the features of i3, and is also missing some thing I wanted), but also just in case I want to do some day, I might or might not I don't know. You can use X without a window manager, which can be useful if you only need one window, I suppose. < 1506975228 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your xmarks alternative, gopher client, irc client, and others, aredoing what? I wrote a IRC client already and more than one gopher client < 1506975247 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is xmarks anyways?) < 1506975352 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googles* a bookmarks manager with synchronisation facilities? < 1506975572 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways I do not use the i3 menu, nor the status bar it comes with; I wrote my own status bar program for use with i3bar, and just use the command shell in xterm if I want to start other programs, so xterm and xrefresh are the only programs I have added keybindings to start them. < 1506975617 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yup, but without restriction to one browser < 1506975634 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :synching the built-in browser bookmarks < 1506975642 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else does that and xmarks sucks < 1506975643 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1506975660 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why use i3 then? < 1506975664 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also added a program to display the process ID and window ID if the title is clicked with the right button. < 1506975699 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: Well, the i3 menu and i3status are separate programs from i3wm anyways, and I have not installed those other programs. Mainly it is just the closest thing to what I wanted and is suitable for now. < 1506975709 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1506975740 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found i3wm too over-hyped < 1506975817 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use bookmarks outside of the browser though I just wrote a shell script which executes SQL queries to do it, although only with one browser; still, with the same SQL queries I can add them to work with Lynx and so on too rather than only Firefox if I wanted to, easily enough. < 1506975940 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this look good enough to you or don't? < 1506975972 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need two file managers? < 1506976030 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :one as a clone of windows 3.11's good old fileman.exe (it was better than young people think) < 1506976040 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :one as a better tc/mc/far manager/whatever < 1506976041 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506976090 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like a orthodox file manager? < 1506976111 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, yes < 1506976137 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use them on windows, but the one of my choice (currently, speedcommander) still lacks some features *for me* < 1506976147 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought it would be easy < 1506976151 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: it wasn't < 1506976164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly used fileman.exe when I used Windows 3.1 < 1506976171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much just for creating directories < 1506976179 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used fileman a lot on windows 9x < 1506976181 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly always I opened files via File|Open in the program that read them < 1506976185 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than crapplorer < 1506976201 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually still would be, if win10 would support 16-bit applications < 1506976201 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1506976225 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had dual panels! < 1506976233 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Linux and do not use any file manager, since, can just using the command shell < 1506976234 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :something microsoft thought nobody would want anymore < 1506976256 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wasn't it basically a graphical norton commander < 1506976259 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can use "the command shell" on windows too (the powershell is actually rather handy), but i don't want to :D < 1506976273 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot < 1506976317 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.mi.uni-koeln.de/c/mirror/www.igd.fhg.de/www/grz/mswin/awfntdev/fileman.gif < 1506976324 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 lovely < 1506976334 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bullshit, just file management. < 1506976340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I normally use a shell on Linux for file management < 1506976349 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, and a WinZip plugin on the screenshot < 1506976351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I use Nautilus, though < 1506976383 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: oh I see, it had the tree part... yes I miss that as well. < 1506976395 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1506976396 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's still there in regedit ;-) ) < 1506976414 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a half-working version ready < 1506976416 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :in delphi :x < 1506976423 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no menus yet. < 1506976448 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506976457 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha, on-topic! because who still uses delphi, except me?) < 1506976485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use QuickBASIC for writing DOS programs < 1506976538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including MIXPC, which is mentioned on the esolang wiki article about MIX (Knuth), because it is an implementation of that instruction set.) < 1506976562 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they discontinue borland pascal for windows anyway? < 1506976588 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :freepascal works < 1506976647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a free compiler for DOS that will work in real mode? < 1506976650 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506976851 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which language? < 1506976853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put on my computer on the status bar, the number of email messages, the system load, the memory usage, and the current date/time. I did not put temperature because I do not have a driver for it. < 1506976875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: BASIC, although a different programming language might do too < 1506976876 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you want the compiler itself to run on DOS real mode? or do you want its /output/ to run on DOS real mode? < 1506976899 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :FASM? < 1506976913 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The output program. I would want the compiler also to, but if it doesn't, it could be OK as long as the output program does run on real mode. < 1506977003 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing programs under DOS, now there's a thing I do not miss a lot < 1506977008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "bruce's C compiler" runs on Linux and produces 8086 real mode output, and has an option to produce it as a DOS .COM file < 1506977021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably runs on other OSes too (maybe even DOS itself) < 1506977035 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because every second programming error ended up requiring a hard reboot) < 1506977048 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of compilers that run on DOS real mode themselves, I'm not sure if there are any FLOSS compilers, but shareware compilers were fairly common back then < 1506977065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Borland made a few < 1506977068 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, DOS starts up much faster than Linux or Windows, so a hard reboot does not take as long < 1506977117 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolibrios is hella fast < 1506977138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once installed FreeDOS and a database program on a computer, and when the CRT was turned on at the same time as turning on the computer, the database program is already ready by the time the picture is visible. < 1506977290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer (running Linux) shuts down really fast, when I reboot the shutdown is faster than the "BIOS" (actually EFI) loading screen (which shows before the bootloader even starts running) < 1506977335 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer running linux that can be shut down? < 1506977338 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no systemd?:D < 1506977357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it has systemd, it just somehow seems to actually work in this configuration < 1506977405 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderous times < 1506977515 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506977915 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506978304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1506978312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my shutdown has broken again actually < 1506978315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking systemd < 1506978320 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1506978339 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried _working_ operating systems, like virtually any non-linux? < 1506978376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffthahahaha < 1506978385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i didn't realise you were that much of a hipster < 1506978395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like having steam too much, i'm afraid < 1506978405 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :being called a "hipster" by people using a 2% desktop system < 1506978415 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly my kind of joke < 1506978423 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your loss. < 1506978432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you mean windows or mac os then yeah obviously i've tried those < 1506978454 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses windows, openbsd and freebsd  < 1506978459 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no systemd < 1506978461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>openbsd < 1506978462 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect shutdown < 1506978463 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506978463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>freebsd < 1506978467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a hipster < 1506978471 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>working shutdown < 1506978477 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win again < 1506978495 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, playstations use freebsd as well < 1506978500 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn hipsters! < 1506978504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because as we all know it's impossible to run linux without systemd < 1506978517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hilarious line of reasoning really < 1506978532 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :poettering shitware is slowly infecting every inch of the gnu/linux fail ecosystem < 1506978537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, everything you can run on freebsd you can run on linux < 1506978539 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :see firefox/pulseaudio < 1506978539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaahahahahaha < 1506978541 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :see GNOME < 1506978543 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1506978555 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean, everything you can run on freebsd you can run on linux << really? ZFS as a root file system? :P < 1506978569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so explain to me the desktop environment you're using on freebsd that doesn't run on linux < 1506978570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wait < 1506978576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs is nice but it's not a game-changer < 1506978590 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs *is* a game-changer. (ok, maybe not on a desktop) < 1506978598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978624 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you do in freebsd will ever require any poettering shitware < 1506978624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on a server you don't need it as root < 1506978632 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the remaining three hipster distros < 1506978633 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1506978638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you do on linux requires poeterring shitware < 1506978644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why you can't grasp this < 1506978646 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506978668 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is the userbase of non-poettering shitware distros (no udev, no pulseaudio, no shitstemd)? < 1506978671 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>hipster < 1506978685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, can you demonstrate it's smaller than bsd's? < 1506978708 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large part of the web traffic is routed through freebsd (netflix and whatsapp) < 1506978710 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :won! < 1506978722 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, i can < 1506978722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so subtly moving the goalposts away from desktop use < 1506978743 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main point is still: your fail os fails to shutdown < 1506978748 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much better, i see < 1506978764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're missing my actual point < 1506978775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, lol you're 13 and think os pissing contests are cool < 1506978782 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :your actual point being "hurr durr i COULD use a working os but NOBODY USES BSD" < 1506978803 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because working computers are sooooo 90s. < 1506978803 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506978841 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : pfffthahahaha < 1506978842 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is, lol you're 13 < 1506978851 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods  < 1506978857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think poettering's a cunt too but i don't go around embarrassing myself by blabbering about 'shitstemd' < 1506978878 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, you try to bash working software instead < 1506978882 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1506978888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i bash bsd < 1506978896 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>try to < 1506978915 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to use alsa < 1506978950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always use alsa < 1506978979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only used pulse on this machine to run unity games after they fucked up and made them require pulse < 1506978986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(until i found a workaround) < 1506978998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you couldn't run those games on freebsd at all, idk < 1506979122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping lennart's bullshit would be nice but not worth rebooting to windows every time i wanted to play anything < 1506979136 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't reboot :) < 1506979156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506979193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the shutdown's even really broken, there's some sort of transient permissioning problem < 1506979221 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why not just use separate linux and windows computers < 1506979226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1506979249 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arms not strong enough to carry two laptops? < 1506979258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a desktop < 1506979298 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then why not two < 1506979339 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just one desk < 1506979404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely, i barely have room for a tiny desk in this room let alone two towers < 1506979463 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: well he could have a switch that changes which computer the peripherals are connected to, my dad had one back in the day < 1506979547 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had two outlets for mouse, keyboard and screen, and one input, and a big dial that rotated between 1 and 2 < 1506979564 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still requires room for a second computer < 1506979609 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: I guess but it doesn't need room for a second desk at least < 1506979685 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually would such a switch thing even work with complex protocols of USB and hdmi? maybe it would have to have a microprocessor in it < 1506979725 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the 90's we used PS/2 and VGA connecters < 1506980034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: the search term is "KVM switch", which stands for "keyboard, video, mouse" (in a strange order) < 1506980062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: presumably it was just a KV switch originally, then mice became popular so were added onto the end < 1506980136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: these days instead people connect the keyboard, mouse and video outlets to small computers with microprocessors that give you a remote control ability through the internet for administrative access. remote management console or something. sometimes they also add a relay to power cycle the machine. < 1506980173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use an external HDMI switch when I had a monitor without enough inputs. I don't think it had much of smarts, though. < 1506980186 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe, but the mouse was already popular 25 years ago for non-game computers, and you don't use a KVM switch for a game console, so I'm not sure if that ever really happened < 1506980231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get away without a switch by connecting two computers to a monitor through two different types of inputs. with like four different types of video input these days (VGA, DVI, HDMI, displayport), that's often easy by accident. < 1506980246 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having two keyboards (or just using the built-in keyboard of a notebook) is easier than having two monitors < 1506980304 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, these days some people also just use multiple monitors < 1506980358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many monitors have more than one of a given type of input, at least if you go a bit fancier. This one has 2x HDMI, one DP and one mini-DP. < 1506980364 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father, for example, is a sysadmin, so sometimes he works on his own notebook plus two other local computers at the same time to install stuff, in that case he can connect two computers to two monitors and either use only the built-in small display of the notebook or connect using two different types of input < 1506980386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can it actually switch between those two HDMI by some button presses on the monitor? < 1506980391 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1506980406 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1506980407 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that too < 1506980412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was common on monitors < 1506980415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even got two soft keys you can bind to a specific action, including a specific output. < 1506980423 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really made that HDMI switch redundant. < 1506980436 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the switch had 4 HDMI inputs on it, but I don't have that many sources. < 1506980451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Dell U2515H, for reference. < 1506980498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but then all these different connection types get complicated because you often need at least passive converters (the video cards do the actual conversion, the passive converter just connects the wires) < 1506980530 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we have both hdmi and displayport, as separate types? < 1506980564 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does get pretty complicated, especially since all of them have different version numbers. < 1506980580 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that VGA only does analog video signals, which is why we need DVI, which can do analog or digital, and that DVI doesn't do sound in the same cable as video, which is why we have HDMI < 1506980629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, I know the same kind of connector port can carry multiple different signals, so there's DVI with fewer or more ports, depending on whether you want analog or digital, and... something about more than 8 bits of color depth or some such magic? I'm not sure frankly < 1506980671 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very specific. E.g. you need at least DisplayPort 1.3 to have enough bandwidth for a 3840x2160 resolution. < 1506980699 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 1.2. Or something, I don't remember anymore. < 1506980714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also something you need HDMI 2.0 for, over HDMI 1.4. < 1506980735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while we're there, why do we have both USB3 (two speeds of that, I think) and ESATA for fast communication between a computer and a storage device? < 1506980740 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's the 4K resolution thing, and the DisplayPort version was something else. < 1506980772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so maybe you need a fancier cable for extra-high resolution with high color depth < 1506980775 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make sense < 1506980788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an USB 3.1 as well, and it comes in "gen 1" and "gen 2" varieties. < 1506980840 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I thought we only had USB 3 and USB 3.1 < 1506980842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB 3.1 gen 2 can do five speeds: low speed, full speed, high speed, superspeed and superspeed+. < 1506980852 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the maximum VGA screen size? < 1506980854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do USB 3 and USB 3.1 use the same physical connector? < 1506980864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a little funny how "full speed" is like the second-slowest option. < 1506980888 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since it's an analog signal it's limited physically rather than my protocol < 1506980892 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that's like how "double density" is the small capacity floppy disk < 1506980920 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one nobody ever uses because high density floppies are supported everywhere and are cheap and have twice as much data < 1506980934 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still read double density in ordinary drives, but you barely find any < 1506980940 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen one such floppy < 1506980946 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it at least exists < 1506981205 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506981252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted video out of a "mobile" device, it gets even more complex. There's that thing called MHL (actually, MHL 1, 2, 3 and superMHL) which sort of has the "semantics" of HDMI, but usually use either MHL-USB (micro-USB-based) or a specific mode of USB Type-C. Competing with the SlimPort/MyDP, which is basically DisplayPort integrated with micro-USB. < 1506981270 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very hard to find which devices support what. < 1506981344 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the U in USB stands for "universal", so there's that. < 1506981369 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506981413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1506981430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB is complicated < 1506981471 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of different physical connectors, lots of bulit-in hardware level protocols so you can charge stuff or have stuff charged without complicated electronics and bootstrap the digital layer < 1506981501 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are multiple digital protocols, the USB/USB2 on one set of wires, the USB3 on a second set of wires, bootstrapped by USB2 < 1506981601 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's nice that USB3 is fast, but just try to find a motherboard that has two USB3 root hubs built in, meaning that it can do full-speed USB3 conversations on two different ports at the same time, without having to buy a separate USB3 extension card that you plug in to PCI express (of which there are also like six different speeds) < 1506981923 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1506981925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub < 1506981925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub < 1506981986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me of the whole thing with with M.2, which has a single connector that in theory can do PCIE 3.0 (x1 to x4), SATA 3.0 and USB 3.0, distinguished by various notches. < 1506982077 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at M.2 SSDs, and the people making them don't really advertise which one of them they do, but the PCIE variants tend to be a lot faster than the SATA ones. < 1506982155 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there's PCIE too < 1506982159 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the two usb3 plugs on the front are on the same USB bus, hrm. < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506982207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506982240 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506982280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "lsusb -t" is really confusing, I think there's some sort of a thing where, if you plug USB 2 and 3 devices into a USB 3 hub, the two kinds of devices end up as separate trees even though physically it's just one tree. < 1506982313 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, dumping photos out of the phone became a lot faster when I changed monitors. < 1506982331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's an USB hub in there, and the new one does 3.0.) < 1506982537 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, those are physically two different trees. basically in an USB3 socket, there's some extra wires for USB3 data. the USB3 device sends data on those only, and uses the USB2 for power and bootstrapping power, if I understand correctly. < 1506982603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some monitors have a USB hub built in. and my father has a monitor that didn't, but he permanently taped a small USB hub gadget onto it. instant monitor feature upgrade. < 1506982735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drawback of that monitor is that if you turn off the monitor with the power switch, then suddenly you can't use the keyboard or mouse plugged into your computer through the monitor < 1506982753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the one with the instant upgrade, but the monitor with the hub originally built in < 1506983328 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ah I see. The board has two USB host controllers besides the one in the X99 chipset... that's how it got 2xUSB 3.0 and 1xUSB 3.1 < 1506983354 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two USB-3 controllers? because two USB-2 controllers is easy < 1506983387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for USB-3 devices, one USB-3 controller usually gives more bandwidth than three USB-2 controllers < 1506983417 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo course, after a while, the rest of the computer can't keep up with the data either < 1506983419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: http://sprunge.us/VcBB < 1506983426 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the CPU or GPU or disks < 1506983427 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this matches the MB documentation) < 1506983458 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know which one of EHCI and UHCI and XHCI and whatever mean what, but ok < 1506983491 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the xHCI is the USB 3.0 one, the other two in the chipset must be USB 2.0 < 1506983513 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1506983550 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I had not realized that this is special... nor have I ever exploited this so far. < 1506983568 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's not special < 1506983578 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that says you have one USB3 and two USB2 controllers < 1506983580 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's typical < 1506983603 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, there's another USB 3.0 host and a USB 3.1 one in addition to that. < 1506983610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1506983616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how new is that motherboard? < 1506983639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't EHCI mean USB 2? < 1506983675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the VIA and the ASMedia things < 1506983730 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. but some of those are probably different software views of the same controller < 1506983743 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your motherboard actually had two independent controllers, then you'd see two of the same type < 1506983762 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your OS probably just creates multiple different devices that view the same underlying hardware in different ways < 1506983768 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no it makes sense here. < 1506983774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly at different layers < 1506983793 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you have an extension card plugged in (such as via PCI express) that provides some of those? < 1506983821 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's odd to have three vendors, but the X99 part of the core chipset, and the two additional ones are different USB versions. < 1506983842 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just bought a fairly expensive gaming motherboard < 1506983881 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as for how to exploit that, get two external disk dockers, the ones in which you put a hard disk or solid state disk connected to the docking device with SATA or mini SATA or the other size of mini SATA, and the docking device is connected to your computer by USB 3 and to a power supply by a round power port < 1506983888 0 :Guest12180!?@? NICK :moony < 1506983899 0 :moony!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 QUIT :Changing host < 1506983899 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1506983921 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506983936 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is it real gaming, or just labeled as "gaming"? hardware people label the most ridiculous non-gaming equipment as "gaming" for some reason, including motherboards with built-in hardware RAID and keyboards with hard clicky keys for use by programmers < 1506983993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they add all sort of search terms so that if you search for either "gaming" in ebay or google or something, you find all their products, even the ones not for gaming < 1506984013 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/X99A-GAMING-7.html < 1506984037 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nice < 1506984038 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regarded it as a marketing label either way... < 1506984111 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gaming Device Port" < 1506984116 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, silly :) < 1506984205 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the Gaming Device Port has "3x more gold than regular connectors" and "10x longer lifetime when plugging/un-plugging" < 1506984220 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not clear if that refers to the PS2 port or an USB port < 1506984227 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even an audio port < 1506984242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe all ports are gilded with gold < 1506984250 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what it means... it refers to 1xPS/2 and 2xUSB 2.0 < 1506984307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a total waste because those are the least moved plugs < 1506984338 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for a gamer who tries a new different type of fancy game controller every month < 1506984356 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't complain, board has been stable, it has 8 slots and on board sound is decent... those were basically the things I cared about. < 1506984366 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 memory slots even < 1506984379 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all those left out words are a sign, good night. < 1506984382 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even when he doesn't buy anything new, he has to switch between the ordinary hand-held controller, Guitar Hero Rock Band controller, and the steering wheel and foot pedals < 1506984392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 8 memory slots are nice < 1506984398 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nigth < 1506984416 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice motherboard. not the one I'll buy, but nice. < 1506984532 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506984551 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506984557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:onion//Onions are the bullies of the dinner plate. They can make you cry. \ eventually//Eventually we'll have a better wisdom here. \ lystrosaur//The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. \ ring//Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1506984558 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506984559 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: \ gaspacho//You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1506985084 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506985246 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506985268 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Scheduled Downtime. See You later, Gals and/or Pals. ☺ < 1506985286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506985631 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506985698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506985722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506986787 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506987351 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♃ jupiter ♃ < 1506987355 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/914734726493102082 < 1506987408 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506987767 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE\\OREN\。 < 1506988004 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you excited for reusable rockets that can loft hundred-ton satellites? < 1506988029 0 :\oren\_!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1506988555 0 :ACTPic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1506988859 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yup! anything that can haul ass into space is good. < 1506988870 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's reusable, then go for it! < 1506988882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PLANTAR CHICKEN < 1506988978 0 :ACTPic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1506989903 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506990011 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506990623 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1506993354 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:506c:f696:363c:db86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506993801 0 :ACTPic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1506993921 0 :ACTPic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Client Quit < 1506993935 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506993969 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1506996913 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506997833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506999789 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1507001765 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507005883 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-4-236.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507006097 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-4-236.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507006821 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507006933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1507006935 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty flame is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1507006974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/flame/knite/ < 1507006977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1507008155 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507008713 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507011139 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507011611 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1507013789 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1507014785 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xjiddtbiajkkkbdv QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507014894 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wpllnxdwuthfnxzw JOIN :#esoteric < 1507016141 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:30a1:68fc:d60e:6dac QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507018577 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507018938 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507019483 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507019663 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507019830 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:2c5a:5f2:f60b:1fe4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507020108 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507021698 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507022898 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507026215 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac < 1507026230 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507030558 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507031044 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507031890 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:2cf8:f32e:8f0f:76a5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507032576 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:2cf8:f32e:8f0f:76a5 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1507032778 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507033451 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ICE CHICKEN < 1507033843 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507033914 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507034095 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507034557 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507035359 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507035441 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507035979 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507036679 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507037069 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5062:39e4:698a:2362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507037521 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507037692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507038554 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507038638 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of any esolangs that use ascii control charactersas its commands? < 1507038692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato44: exclusively? or among other commands? < 1507038712 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gs2 tends to use a lot of characters in the 0-31 range, some of its most basic commands are there, but it has others out of the range < 1507038717 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally exclusively, but it depends on what other characters < 1507038789 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace sort of almost counts < 1507038811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: newline and tab are control characters, but space isn't < 1507038817 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of BENUL, but NUL is also a problomatic character < 1507038830 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "sort of almost" < 1507038842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a language that was specifically designed to use the control character range (there might be one that I don't know about), especially if you want the control characters to match the language semantics in some way < 1507038874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a version of BF that uses character codes 1-8 as the commands, and is typically used internally in optimizing interpreters, but I don't really think that counts (especially as the number assignment is arbitrary) < 1507038924 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is an actual interpreter for that dialect of BF, that would be exactly what I want < 1507038948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to write one < 1507038955 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it also ignores the rest of ascii < 1507038962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you expect us to have interpreters for all trivial brainfuck substitutions? just take some reasonable brainfuck implementation and modify it. < 1507038993 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have Brainfuck and Ook! interpreters, because Ook! is historically important, but the rest aren't important < 1507039001 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to write, but I'm not sure where the rules of PPCG fall on the allowability of it. < 1507039056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato44: I was suspecting this was related to the polyglot :-D < 1507039072 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is < 1507039127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing has somehow turned conventional #esoteric wisdom on its head by actually creating a market for a large quantity of trivial BF substitutions < 1507039189 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the other day I found some japanese guys github that had about a hlaf dozen each lazy substitutions for BF, Lazy K and a couple of other langs < 1507039243 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507039428 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507039580 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1507039587 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a lang that only recognises formfeed and vertical tab and then translates that to a javascript exec. Now to work out how exec works in javascript < 1507039589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507039625 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507039705 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507041106 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507041834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stape14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53160 5* 03StellatedHexahedron 5* (+1227) 10Created page with "'''Stape''' is office-supplies-based programming language, designed to be difficult to program in in new and interesting ways. It was created in 2017 by User: stellatedHexah..." < 1507042064 0 :Hooloovo0!znc@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1507042075 0 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1507042156 0 :Hoolootwo!?@? NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1507043234 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507043578 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507044266 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-192-17.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507044268 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507044360 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1507044374 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone online? < 1507044382 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1507044393 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1507044465 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1507044480 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1507044516 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1507044571 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil was very upset at the topic not being 100% accurate, and thus maybe also takes sarcasm at face value? < 1507044698 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks 100% correct to me < 1507044872 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case anyone cares, in Magic: the Gathering, https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/ixalan-update-bulletin-2017-09-28 Ixalan Update Bulletin (summary of rules changes) < 1507044923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it already < 1507044934 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: it wasn't until I fixed it < 1507044942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it claimed the channel was a hypercube < 1507044949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fairly inconsequential inaccuracy, really < 1507044965 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can reasonably demonstrate the channel isn't a hypercube < 1507044992 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507045003 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: getting food < 1507045019 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here now/ < 1507045025 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :still nope < 1507045056 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are people saying no? You are online yes? < 1507045074 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are being facetious < 1507045080 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pardon? < 1507045120 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not serious/ < 1507045128 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google metar < 1507045129 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ < 1507045139 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google facetious < 1507045140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/facetious < 1507045173 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google bear licsense < 1507045175 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/hunt/bearlic.html < 1507045175 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Bear license - Wisconsin DNR < 1507045205 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usefull, huh? calling google from IRC < 1507045229 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google danil < 1507045230 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danil < 1507045241 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's kind of annoying to us < 1507045264 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1507045282 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not mean too. < 1507045323 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil_ < 1507045602 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:2c5a:5f2:f60b:1fe4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507045765 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-106-105.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507045830 0 :dan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507045837 0 :dan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1507046297 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dbc:7af6:e5ad:db69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507046549 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507046838 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507047109 0 :potato44!d20b9a73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.11.154.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507047170 0 :dan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1507047833 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-192-17.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507048042 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-192-17.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507048383 0 :dan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1507048400 0 :dan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1507048408 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote insanity < 1507048409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. < 1507048500 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507048618 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507048918 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507048998 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hate how airplane tickets only give the departure and arrival time in local time for the airports. They should give either the timezone offset of that time, or an UTC datetime. < 1507049012 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do this even for tickets that go to a different timezone. < 1507049032 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i also. < 1507049037 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently reading the *easy* case, when I'm just traveling to Sweden and back, so both departure and arrival are in the Paris timezone. < 1507049049 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1507049078 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you fly from Paris to Sweden < 1507049129 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507049226 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, from Hungary to Sweden < 1507049253 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris is just the name I use for the timezone in modern times, because it's clearly the biggest city in this timezone < 1507049342 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically that's no longer true. These days Berlin and Madrid and Rome are the biggest. < 1507049357 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should call it the Berlin timezone instead. < 1507049437 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a clock set to berlin time and not paris time < 1507049474 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris is biggest if you count greater Paris, including agglomerations. < 1507049487 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably the right measure for figuring out which is the most significant city in this context < 1507049497 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Paris is probably the right name. < 1507049509 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5062:39e4:698a:2362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paris is literally surrounded by a wall though, so while all metropolitans grow, "paris intramuros" doesn't < 1507049569 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: yes, basically the city proper area is defined by how the local governments work, which is irrelevant here < 1507049575 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paris is the most significant city < 1507049588 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, Berlin had a sort of strange history) < 1507049962 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507050689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the biggest city in the Paris timezone? < 1507050689 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: leprechauns are the most spectacular being _baluchitherium_ from the abyss before them, don't you see invisible things. you'll probably find one on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of santraginus v, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can read between it and forged odin's signature on the subject of towels. a world for himself a suit of oil-cloth or tarpaulin, and its transparent skin shows its face again. < 1507050719 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I guess the answer is, unexpectedly, Dublin < 1507050729 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1507050729 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1507050733 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the biggest city in the Paris timezone? < 1507050734 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i will not go away unless we tackle them. i do not want these problems to spill over into other countries, thailand, from 2 to 14 october 2004? i am convinced that the foundation should be involved in discussions when there really is a scandal for any civilized country just to stand by and do nothing. one wonders where it finds the courage to resolve the problems suffered by citizens and their concerns ta < 1507050750 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly Bangkok < 1507050756 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's avoiding this question more directly than the previous answer < 1507051332 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil_ < 1507051578 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507051921 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507052265 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507052881 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507053229 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest city in the paris timezone would probaby be the rhineland urban aglomeration wouldn't it < 1507053291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not by population I think < 1507053342 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Rhine-Ruhr region has 11 million < 1507053349 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507053364 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ile-de-france has 12 million < 1507053526 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like they're pretty close but the winner depends what data set you're looking at < 1507053540 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, at some point this gets a question of definition < 1507053565 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gets/gets to be/ < 1507053844 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, you can call the same timezone with multiple names < 1507053875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you prefer to call it by some other big city within the timezone, feel free < 1507053895 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5062:39e4:698a:2362 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507053922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe we can just wait until there is continuous development along the Paris-Ruhr train line < 1507053974 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then give some fancy name to said urban aglomeration < 1507054181 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megacity E or some shit < 1507054334 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho, by that point it would include the entire country of belgium probaby < 1507054390 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-106-105.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507054911 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507055933 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507056003 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507056312 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507058328 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507059210 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507059303 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507059471 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-192-17.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507059984 0 :danil_!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil_ < 1507060072 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507060185 0 :imode!~imode@2601:601:9d00:2ee7:e29d:31ff:fe3f:8828 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507060210 0 :imode!?@? NICK :Guest41646 < 1507060595 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507060616 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507060680 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird that I wind up writing things like "translating to a double de Bruijn stack context" when I'm doing something for fun < 1507060726 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I had to read up on a few mathematical papers to be able to parse Incident efficiently < 1507060803 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice < 1507060821 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm making up terminology here < 1507060867 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if de Bruijn stack is the word for what I'm doing, and honestly I'm not sure at all if I need the second one < 1507061012 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm doing is implementing System F in Agda < 1507061060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with type annotations? or are you using some other method to make it theoretically possible? < 1507061066 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type annotations < 1507061120 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507061136 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using something like De Bruijn indices, but because it's Agda I want to statically check that I'm not going to underflow the stack, and furthermore I want to carry the variable's types about too < 1507061142 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hence a De Bruijn stack < 1507061157 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507061196 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something similar at the type level, but for that I think I just need to know how many type variables I have lying around < 1507061277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I was doing System Fω I'd need to know the kinds of the type variables as well) < 1507061455 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507061489 0 :Guest41646!~imode@2601:601:9d00:2ee7:e29d:31ff:fe3f:8828 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9 < 1507061541 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507061557 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very interested to know if what I'm calling the De Bruijn stack exists in the literature < 1507061562 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the the brown stack?) < 1507062055 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507062120 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507063342 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdj4axgk9x0yj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507063379 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507063546 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507064401 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507064690 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507064694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhuhahahaha self-modifying C++ < 1507064726 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait does it count if it has to be recompiled and rerun each time it modifies itself? < 1507064771 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507064795 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this isn't so self-modifying < 1507066950 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: ZNC Sucks >_> < 1507066959 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507066963 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507066982 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest57865 < 1507067021 0 :Guest57865!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1507067023 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1507067023 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1507067445 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507067450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think the word for that is "polymorphic" < 1507068724 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507070670 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507071494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507071744 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1507071750 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:context//context is a word with many meanings, depending on where it is used. \ fourth//Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. \ atwp//According to Wikipedia, ATWP means "Air Transport White Paper". \ icfp//I see functorial people. \ brainf**k//There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinki < 1507071751 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507071751 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ng of brainfuck. < 1507071766 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I do not think about brainfuck. < 1507072319 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1507072323 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no! they're falsifying the will < 1507072332 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas? < 1507072362 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm listening to Gianni Schicci, the opera < 1507074928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507076687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1507077359 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-106-105.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507078605 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch ♪ < 1507078625 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507079310 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507079722 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1507080100 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507080238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507080576 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507081145 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers PART #esoteric : < 1507081554 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507082255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507083021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507084127 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BLESSED CHICKEN < 1507084716 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507084969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forth < 1507084970 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507084973 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fourth < 1507084974 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. < 1507084981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg fourth < 1507084990 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10501:2017-03-24 ` mv wisdom/fo{,u}rth; slwd fourth\\ wisdom//s,rt,urt, < 1507085008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1507085020 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i do that. < 1507085039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg forth < 1507085047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10501:2017-03-24 ` mv wisdom/fo{,u}rth; slwd fourth\\ wisdom//s,rt,urt, \ 5407:2015-06-05 slashlearn forth/Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. < 1507085084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's going on with that slwd? < 1507085100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks pretty broken. < 1507085175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1507085192 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/fo{u,}rth < 1507085194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1507085197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forth < 1507085198 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. < 1507085234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fourth wisdom < 1507085235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.wisdoms other the all upon builds wisdom fourth The < 1507085259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one i wanted to change. but i forgot to fix the mistake of moving `? forth < 1507086150 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1507086542 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507086706 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:506c:f696:363c:db86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507086772 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507087005 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507087731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507088181 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1507088535 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507089594 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: ZNC Sucks >_> < 1507092271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blessyou oerjan < 1507092272 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bless you, oerjan. Bloerjan. < 1507092293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( but i wasn't sneezing ) < 1507092301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gesoerjant < 1507092406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blimey, oerjan. Bloerjan. < 1507092661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning shachaf < 1507092675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning. < 1507092679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to make that a portmanteau but there isn't a single common letter. < 1507092704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'moerjan. < 1507094084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`q king < 1507094085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: q: not found < 1507094091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 quote king < 1507094093 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/178:14) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 40) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 73) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is < 1507094095 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507094109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`randquote king < 1507094110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :975) Sgeo: That fact is so fun I can feel my pancreas kicking into overdrive. < 1507094635 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507094795 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king of kic < 1507095718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507095948 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507097149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1507099989 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507100227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`randquote \bking\b < 1507100228 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :516) king is something women are better at than men < 1507100235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 randquote \bking\b < 1507100237 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0: < 1507100254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 nur randquote \bking\b < 1507100256 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0: < 1507100265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1507100267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 randquote '\bking\b' < 1507100270 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:1177) like good old time, with elbow and foot lengths of the king. man that must have sucked People would be always like "Hey king, can you drop by, I have stuff to measure" That's why they're called rulers, you know \ 239) However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case < 1507100283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet++ < 1507100287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507100288 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3: one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them \ 516) king is something women are better at than men \ 239) However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them \ 239) However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in ca < 1507100290 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507100291 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:se one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them < 1507100327 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 quote '\bking\b' | shuf < 1507100328 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:1177) like good old time, with elbow and foot lengths of the king. man that must have sucked People would be always like "Hey king, can you drop by, I have stuff to measure" That's why they're called rulers, you know \ 516) king is something women are better at than men \ 239) However i < 1507100332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507100333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:s probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them < 1507100334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1507100759 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:6dbc:7af6:e5ad:db69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507100818 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:3810:159c:5c0e:375 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507106290 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507108601 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507108636 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507108913 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507109242 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:850e:cb64:a27b:e104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507111156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53161&oldid=53156 5* 03Luke1337 5* (+362) 10/* Introductions */ < 1507111183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53162&oldid=44965 5* 03Luke1337 5* (-95) 10removed a dead link < 1507113776 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1507116929 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507117200 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-206-11.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507117543 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd13ohwl5fbg43.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507118385 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-5-206-11.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507118694 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phasing < 1507118695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phasing? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507118695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phase < 1507118696 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phase? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507120024 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SLIPSTREAM CHICKEN < 1507120617 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ln -svf allsets-2017-09-20.txt share/mtg/allsets.txt < 1507120619 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'share/mtg/allsets.txt' -> 'allsets-2017-09-20.txt' < 1507120712 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name walk the < 1507120712 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk the Aeons \ 4UU \ Sorcery \ Buyback--Sacrifice three Islands. (You may sacrifice three Islands in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell. If you do, put this card into your hand as it resolves.) \ Target player takes an extra turn after this one. \ TSP-R \ \ Walk the Plank \ BB \ Sorcery \ Destroy target non-Merfolk creature. \ XL < 1507120716 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name walk the plank < 1507120717 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk the Plank \ BB \ Sorcery \ Destroy target non-Merfolk creature. \ XLN-U < 1507120799 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xln < 1507120800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xln? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507120831 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mtg xln < 1507120832 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/ixalan < 1507120841 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that worked) < 1507120927 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's the latest released expert set. I'm testing with the latest to show that updating the local copy of the card database worked. < 1507121251 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep "^306\.4." share/mtg/rules.txt # I also updated the local copy of the comprehensive rules < 1507121252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :306.4. Previously, planeswalkers were subject to a “planeswalker uniqueness rule” that stopped a player from controlling two planeswalkers of the same planeswalker type. This rule has been removed and planeswalker cards printed before this change have received errata in the Oracle card reference to have the legendary supertype. Like other legen < 1507121311 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd13ohwl5fbg43.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507121338 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507121357 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1507121357 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1507122122 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:850e:cb64:a27b:e104 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507123508 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507125631 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507125815 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507126632 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507127007 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507127905 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-181-202.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507127928 0 :Slereah!?@? NICK :Guest77438 < 1507128014 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-4-236.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507128865 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507129168 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507129748 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507130621 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507130634 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1507130634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realms Befitting My Majesty < 1507130640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 scheme < 1507130642 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:This World Belongs to Me \ Nothing Can Stop Me Now \ My Undead Horde Awakens \ Delight in the Hunt \ No One Will Hear Your Cries < 1507131217 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507131513 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507133364 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507134021 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507134692 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507136649 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507137209 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507140327 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507140346 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507140702 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507140826 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507142190 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507142191 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507142300 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53163&oldid=53162 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+120) 10Use wayback < 1507143700 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507143986 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507145370 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507145553 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1101 < 1507145554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1101: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1507145681 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507145893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507146042 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507146537 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507146961 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507147893 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1507148453 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:847e:4104:d95d:4e6f:9936:7a16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507149828 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yjbzwemnvckcsvxt QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1507149873 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507150040 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@lib-01-subnet-241.rdns.cenic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507150085 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507150521 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507150805 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@lib-01-subnet-241.rdns.cenic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507151011 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:847e:4104:d95d:4e6f:9936:7a16 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507151531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507151581 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:847e:4104:8ce0:15a9:fb8f:d136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507151621 0 :Lung868!~Lung@170.82.211.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507151870 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:847e:4104:8ce0:15a9:fb8f:d136 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507152251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507152251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1507152251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507152804 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.9.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507153899 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-70-83-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507153968 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507154084 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507155103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507155118 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507155232 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507155302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507155594 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ais < 1507155640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I read the M:tG Ixalan update bulletin. I was surprised that they're making a new phasing card. that's one of those mechanics that are too complicated rules-wise to be worth bringing back, like banding. < 1507155666 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's in a supplementary set, those are allowed to be more complex < 1507155691 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, is it the first new phasing card since the phasing rules changed? < 1507155715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that mechanic was phased out. < 1507155718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, reprinting phasing card would seem entirely reasonable in a Masters set, and only slightly out of place in Commander or Conspiracy < 1507155725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reprinting a < 1507155733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I expect creating a new one has similar considerations < 1507155764 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean it won't be in Modern? yes, that's a good point, but still. < 1507155777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right, nor in Standard < 1507155781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Legacy, Vintage and Commander < 1507155801 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's clearly the sort of card that was designed for multiplayer) < 1507155806 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name teferi's protection < 1507155807 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teferi's Protection \ 2W \ Instant \ Until your next turn, your life total can't change and you have protection from everything. All permanents you control phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. They phase in before you untap during your untap step.) \ Exile Teferi's Protection. \ C17-R < 1507155834 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reprinting is generally more easier to support than making entirely new cards < 1507155860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-shot phasing is probably the easiest sort to understand < 1507155886 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this does apply to all sorts of permanents, increasing the chance of a confusing interaction < 1507156018 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't see why one-shot would be much easier to understand than phasing every turn < 1507156030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that reminder text explains most of the relevant cases by itself, the most likely ones that aren't explained are to do when an aura and the enchanted permanent have two different controllers < 1507156055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: because "X phases out" needs fewer definitions than "Phasing", the keyword < 1507156083 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. < 1507156118 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the part that it happens at instant speed now. < 1507156133 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's more potential interactions with other spells. < 1507156140 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with combat. < 1507156167 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507156363 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, I also think that permanents becoming a copy of an object is too complicated rules-wise, and so is making permanents lose all abilities, yet Wizards still keep printing them (in Modern at rare). < 1507156397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clone effects are popular enough that Wizards wants to make them work, I guess < 1507156421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't too conceptually complex in the common case, you assume that the copy was printed as being identical to the copied card for as long as the copy effect lasts < 1507156430 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issues come in special cases, like copying a DFC < 1507156442 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the latter in uncommon too, and was in common in Lorwyn.) < 1507156487 0 :Lung868!~Lung@170.82.211.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507156555 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but even among clone effects, which are difficult already, an already existing permanent temporarily becoming a copy is slightly more difficult than just making token copies or having a permanent etb as a copy and remaining a copy forever. < 1507156585 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the main issues come in special cases, but there are lots of different types of special cases, and they come up in recent sets too. < 1507156621 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I must admit that they eliminated one special case entirely, namely the old rules for Primal Clay, which they replaced with simple to understand new rules. < 1507156624 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retroactively. < 1507156715 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now Primal Clay and two other cards just set its own p/t and abilities, just like levelers; as opposed to setting the whole copiable values, like split cards, flip cards, double-faced cards, morph, do. < 1507157054 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507157056 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, a rules question. I have a Horned Turtle (vanilla) in play. Can I resolve Artificial Evolution on it in such a way as to replace all instances of Sliver with Wizard, then much later, Cytoshape that turtle to a Predatory Sliver to have it grant a bonus to all my Wizards? < 1507157138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's just a layers question, isn't it? < 1507157152 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm fairly sure that copy applies before text change, so it should work < 1507157157 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm asking about current rules, even if I sometimes say "in play" instead of "on the battlefield") < 1507157185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, not only that. I'm not sure if choosing Sliver is a valid choice at all if that word doesn't currently occur on the target object. < 1507157231 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-70-83-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507157234 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name artificial evolution < 1507157234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artificial Evolution \ U \ Instant \ Change the text of target spell or permanent by replacing all instances of one creature type with another. The new creature type can't be Wall. (This effect lasts indefinitely.) \ ONS-R < 1507157249 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's unclear from the wording, I assume there'd be a ruling on it < 1507157283 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04/10/2004 Can target a card with no appropriate words on it, or even one with no words at all. < 1507157285 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, there's a ruling < 1507157302 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that only says "can target". it doesn't say what happens at resolution. < 1507157324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it clearly isn't countered on resolution < 1507157324 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507157335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no rule that says that effects aren't created just because they couldn't do anything < 1507157344 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I set the target, it won't check whether choices at resolution are valid or actions at resolution can be carried out < 1507157376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surely won't get *countered*, I only wonder if it's such that there's no valid choices so the action is ignored, or, in this case, the only valid choice is Turtle < 1507157413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but there are rules saying that in some case when I make choices at resolution, I can't choose ones that are impossible < 1507157431 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies for "you may" choices at least < 1507157441 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's not about paying costs < 1507157454 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two alternative non-pay actions < 1507157510 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible that that doesn't apply for this choice, and even more likely that I can choose Sliver even if it doesn't appear in the text of the card < 1507157558 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a comparable situation to casting "target permanent gets +1/+1" on a land; I'd expect that to work < 1507157562 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure if it's possible at the moment < 1507157571 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there's a situation with Vehicles < 1507157578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can increase their stats before they're animated < 1507157590 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's not impossible, I wonder if "one creature type" refers only to a creature type that appears in the text < 1507157615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name gearshift ace < 1507157615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gearshift Ace \ 1W \ Creature -- Dwarf Pilot \ 2/1 \ First strike \ Whenever Gearshift Ace crews a Vehicle, that Vehicle gains first strike until end of turn. \ KLD-U < 1507157654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crews" triggers when the creature is tapped, not when the crew ability resolves < 1507157662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Vehicle gainst first strike first < 1507157664 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then becomes a creature later on < 1507157681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :granting first strike to an artifact doesn't make sense and yet the effect is still created < 1507157759 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.9.211 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507157782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1507157783 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507157807 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507158262 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, card text is written very carefully so that when something grants p/t bonus/malus or first strike or trample to some other permanent, the text either explicitly requires a creature, or implicitly requires because it explicitly requires "blocking" in case of Glyph of Destruction. < 1507158440 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason M:tG normally disallows things like giving a land +1/+1 is not because it doesn't work but because it would confuse players < 1507158447 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507158455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it to a Vehicle is less confusing because at least you expect those to turn into creatures at some point < 1507158623 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507158650 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507158963 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and there are other edge cases, eg. if you use an external animator, then Chronatog Totem can give itself +3/+3 after the animator is cancelled < 1507159100 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any number of creature like Stonewood Invoker could give itself p/t bonus in a way that's still resolved after it's turned to a noncreature by Soul Sculptor < 1507159143 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when creatures give *themselves* p/t bonus or first strike or trample, then the text generally doesn't explicitly check that it's still a creature < 1507159378 0 :augur!~augur@108-233-87-134.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507159465 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507159662 0 :augur!~augur@108-233-87-134.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507159721 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507160953 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507161042 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507161213 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507161297 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507161411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507161553 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gknpvzexrwludncr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507162207 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1507162212 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:zarutian//You can trust Zarutian. He fixes, as an electronics technician, banal mistakes of electronics engineers. Rather cy(ph|b)erpunkish in outlook regarding the 'Net. Knows more about ocaps than you can imagine. Possesses an Icelandic unnerver that ejects freezingly hot lava out of its business end. Bears an 'Authentic fakes provider' sea < 1507162213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507162213 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507162213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:l from the guild of Realers. He is also known for making rather long HackEgo wisdom entries. Take for instance this entry. It has a whole subentry just on Icelandic unnerver. Even though the Icelandic unnerver has its own. \ rhetorical question//Why did Taneb invent the rhetorical question without providing an answer? \ the u//The U are a v < 1507162215 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507162216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:ery mad people. \ intercal//INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market. \ eridanipoid//Eridanipoids form a category of uncategorifiable stellar remnants. They form dense clusters of unmovable and unstoppable objects. < 1507162220 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1507162346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507162506 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507162708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1507162720 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a PPCG bounty coming his way < 1507162790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe) < 1507162899 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a bounty mean in this context? < 1507162923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet points < 1507162985 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1931@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.49 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507163019 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. tdh. < 1507163103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1507163122 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stackexchange site rep points) < 1507164979 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507165948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for which answer? < 1507166088 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507166307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it's not explicitly stated that it's for me but i have a good vibe about https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/138912/ < 1507166351 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm the only one answering in a non-esoteric language) < 1507166457 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, TI-BASIC might not be esoteric. < 1507166459 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice, it manages to be obfuscated and underhanded simultaneously and to useful effect < 1507166463 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1507166473 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1507166492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although including a cyrillic and ASCII d in the same line is probably a loophole violation for underhanded code; luckily this wasn't an underhanded competition < 1507166760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cyrillic character was not chosen for underhandedness at all, of course; it was simply the smallest unicode character that worked there (possibly the only one) < 1507166767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1507166784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only two byte one that is < 1507166786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ASCII d is an essential part of the spelling of "id" < 1507166791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1507166808 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably didn't have to use d for the last-minute change < 1507166846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just the first letter that worked there, presumably. < 1507167087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "or" fits instead of "id" afa characters are concerned, but it gives a type ambiguity. < 1507167136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ԁ" < 1507167139 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\1281" < 1507167181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1281*)[1..5] < 1507167184 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1507167184 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • No instance for (Num [Integer]) arising from a use of ‘e_1128115’ < 1507167184 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • In the expression: e_1128115 < 1507167190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(1281*)[1..5] < 1507167193 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1281,2562,3843,5124,6405] < 1507167217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\2562\3843\5124\6405" < 1507167229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\2562\3843\5124\6405" < 1507167231 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ਂ༃ᐄᤅ < 1507167274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map generalCategory "\2562\3843\5124\6405" < 1507167276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [NonSpacingMark,OtherSymbol,OtherLetter,OtherLetter] < 1507167331 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507167333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no letters until it passes into 3 bytes, i recognize the ᐄ < 1507167349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the character i allude to in the explanation) < 1507167374 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i originally had that before thinking of the tab trick < 1507167978 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t or < 1507167980 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => t Bool -> Bool < 1507168002 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what's the kind of Foldable there? < 1507168056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird to see quantification over type constructors, although I guess if any non-total language can do it, it's probably Haskell < 1507168309 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it's weird with Functor and Monad too? < 1507168318 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when Haskell was new this was looked at as a pretty unusual feature. < 1507168345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even had some name like "constructor classes". < 1507168400 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, although monads are weird enough that you don't instinctively consider the monad "constructor" as being a type and so it doesn't feel as out of place < 1507168448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust still doesn't support this feature. :-( < 1507168480 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though C++ does, sort of. < 1507168526 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507168530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, I started trying to write a program in Rust to try it out < 1507168569 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found a problem that seems to be a) common and b) in need of a new feature to address it (although multiple possible solutions would work) < 1507168606 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that experience multiple times when I tried writing some Rust a while ago. < 1507168633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case where it came up for me was: suppose you want a trait that describes enums, including how many elements you have; and you want to create an array with X elements, where X is the number of possibilties of the enum, given the enum as a type parameter < 1507168666 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't currently do this without placing a large number of type bounds on the resulting trait that leak implementation details < 1507168722 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cleanest and simplest fix, AFAICT, is to allow for "closed" traits (that can't have new types implementing them), plus a rule that if a type implements a closed trait, it (automatically / on request) implements all traits that types implementing that closed trait implement < 1507168752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a tautology, but the point is that if I have x: ClosedTrait, and only types A and B implement ClosedTrait, I can then assume x implements any trait implemented by both A and B) < 1507168997 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507169491 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1507169499 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1507170039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Foldable < 1507170040 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* -> *) -> Constraint < 1507170044 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1507170080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought there was only one base kind < 1507170085 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not? < 1507170328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a while < 1507170419 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int# < 1507170420 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1507170420 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Int#’ < 1507170420 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1507170423 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1507170428 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1507170449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1507170450 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1507170456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k GHC.Exts.Int# < 1507170458 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPE 'GHC.Types.IntRep < 1507170465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/arrant/kind/ < 1507170467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1507170482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pardon me, i'm trying to demonstrate to ais523 here < 1507170490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how kind of you < 1507170519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, so kinds in Haskell have changed from being a mathematical concept to more of a "this is how the Haskell implementation handles a type"? < 1507170521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now unboxed types have a kind showing an approximation of their runtime representation < 1507170532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We figured out some good GHC bugs back in the day using all these extra kinds. < 1507170560 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before they were all tossed into a special kind #) < 1507170568 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might even go so far as to call them "astonishingly ingenious" < 1507170574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why on earth does HackEgo have a command specifically for editing oerjan's wisdom entry? < 1507170581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this allows more refined safe type coercions < 1507170587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg oerjan | wc -l < 1507170596 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :177 < 1507170597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens often enough. < 1507170612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem in its own right, surely < 1507170775 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a knite? < 1507170819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: these days kinds are also types, as part of the (incomplete) project to make haskell dependently typed. and types whose own kinds are * are themselves kinds. < 1507170849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* is its own kind, which makes the type logic inconsistent but goldfire swears that's fine) < 1507170854 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making Haskell dependently typed sounds like a bad idea < 1507170879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even languages that are designed from the outset to be dependently typed struggle with having dependent typing < 1507170911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Constraint has been there for a while, after ghc got support for making classes and the like into type arguments < 1507170977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a class with parameters of kind k1, k2, etc. itself has kind k1 -> k2 -> ... -> Constraint) < 1507171019 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MARSHALL CHICKEN < 1507171038 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make a class that takes constraints as arguments? I guess it would be? < 1507171045 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the syntax for that could be awkward < 1507171064 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X y => y t => t a -> b < 1507171136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still mathematical, btw. the "how the Haskell implementation handles a type" you mention was added to make type coercions safe between types of equal representation < 1507171152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the RuntimeRep argument to TYPE) < 1507171189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you certainly can. the second => would probably be a -> < 1507171214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1507171235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite getting the example you're going for < 1507171265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk's constraints package surely has some examples. < 1507171308 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that example's probably more complex than it should be < 1507171337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the Forall module i've contributed to has some. < 1507171371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/constraints-0.9.1/docs/Data-Constraint-Forall.html < 1507171459 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507171507 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507171520 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main module also has some < 1507171540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the entire point of that package is to play around with this stuff < 1507172381 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507172407 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507172463 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507172523 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507172561 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507172572 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: I am a human. Humans need to sleep. Some humans, like me, do not want to sleep. They sleep anyway. kthxbye < 1507173653 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1507173708 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507174214 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507175945 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507176453 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507177242 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507177811 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507178651 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507179336 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507180177 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1507180584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why is scott aaronson's blog comments suddenly full of videos < 1507180599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't decided whether he's complaining or not. < 1507181984 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507182393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I went to a Mill talk and the speaker was apparently in Trondheim for a while < 1507182526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1507182541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, man < 1507182568 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be a command to view wisdom/oerjan too < 1507182707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to `hwrl, i think < 1507182912 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@23.28.151.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507183233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507183633 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@23.28.151.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507191515 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507192266 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507193446 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507194125 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507194540 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507194577 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507194828 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507195084 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-102-251-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507196100 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-102-251-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507196135 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507196387 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507200002 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507203307 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507203908 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507205044 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507205097 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507205264 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507205504 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507205599 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Client Quit < 1507206341 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMMON CHICKEN < 1507207139 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507209034 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507209290 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507210142 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:b0d8:2765:b8e1:3ac9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507210471 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507210806 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507210830 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest22967 < 1507210860 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507210872 0 :Guest22967!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1507210874 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1507210874 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1507211412 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507211690 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507212837 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507213117 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: probably wordpress stuff < 1507213413 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507213707 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507214169 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507214426 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507214662 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507215074 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:b0d8:2765:b8e1:3ac9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507215898 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507215920 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507216587 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Coming for Halloween: The Google Skin Crawler. ) < 1507216612 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507217883 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507220103 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507220262 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507220289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1507220342 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507220709 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507221096 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1507221106 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think Brainfuck Joust would be suited for this? http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2017-October/010261.html < 1507222574 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507222636 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507224142 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507225132 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507225189 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507225372 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507226065 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507226346 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1507226347 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 051650Z 27013G31KT 200V330 9999 FEW070 BKN120 22/03 Q1010 NOSIG < 1507226712 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6140:da96:a8f9:c116 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507226754 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, windy but approximately parallel to runway... boring ;-) < 1507227966 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507227986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507227986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1507227986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507228642 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507229025 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1507229056 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelcome < 1507229342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507229490 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507230698 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.179.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507230779 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507232902 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507233118 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507233393 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507234410 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507234602 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507234769 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507235195 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507237197 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507237223 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507238158 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507238693 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507239646 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507239688 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507240199 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507241795 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507242115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507242184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507242875 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507243002 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507243117 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507243221 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507243742 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507243749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507243818 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507243889 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507244348 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507244709 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507245201 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507245292 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507245307 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507245316 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507245345 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507245461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507245707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507245774 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507246512 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507247127 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1507247127 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 052200Z 24010KT 30SM BKN075 18/08 A2995 RMK AC7 SLP143 DENSITY ALT 500FT < 1507247130 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1507247130 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 052150Z 25010KT 9999 FEW012 SCT020 BKN029 09/07 Q0997 RMK WIND 670FT 27018KT < 1507247866 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507247932 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507248221 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507248316 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.179.129 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507248436 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507248634 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1507248667 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507248683 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is being so hype https://youtu.be/3Gs6laePLIw < 1507249122 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1507249164 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hype is! < 1507249518 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you play the first one < 1507249565 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507249841 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507250016 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I know it exists, but I haven't. < 1507250749 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1507250754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1507250766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for youy < 1507251708 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507251835 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507252041 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507252053 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507253021 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507254269 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NOBLE CHICKEN < 1507254444 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507256073 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507256335 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507258312 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507258728 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507258982 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507258990 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: o/ < 1507259065 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259092 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259100 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259135 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-181-202.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259146 0 :Guest77438!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-181-202.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259174 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259200 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259259 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259283 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest31077 < 1507259292 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@185.14.184.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507259342 0 :Guest31077!?@? NICK :shikhin_ < 1507259348 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1507259348 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259358 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1507259460 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259462 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259557 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507259557 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507259561 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507259583 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507259614 0 :pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259698 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259712 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507259761 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507259843 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260030 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507260042 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260066 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest23865 < 1507260080 0 :Guest23865!?@? NICK :shikhin_ < 1507260085 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1507260085 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260095 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1507260162 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260275 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507260301 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260324 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest91856 < 1507260802 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260959 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507260959 0 :Guest91856!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507260959 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507260973 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1507260978 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507261382 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507261399 0 :pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1507261400 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1507261403 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507261417 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507261474 0 :pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507261560 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507264247 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507265216 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507265371 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507265452 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507265492 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507266238 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507266564 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1507266601 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507268500 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507268758 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507270223 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507271212 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507272105 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507273507 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507274231 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507274361 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Client Quit < 1507274737 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507274979 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507275260 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507275795 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507276003 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507276059 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507277227 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507277277 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507277585 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507278266 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507282382 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1507282385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1507282394 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507282579 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507282588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507283195 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507283884 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507284767 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:89ab:185e:8e45:37e8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507284896 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507285887 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-181-202.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507286024 0 :Guest77438!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507286056 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? invoke < 1507286062 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invoke? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507286063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? invocation < 1507286064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invocation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507286589 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507286763 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507286915 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507288429 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1507288692 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507288881 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507289649 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507291112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1507291379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ADDITIVE CHICKEN < 1507293076 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: ybden < 1507293105 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1507294703 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507294853 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? force < 1507294854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :force? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507294854 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? energy < 1507294856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :energy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507294856 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ?power < 1507294856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1507294858 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? power < 1507294859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :power? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507295066 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507296306 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507296326 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507296666 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507296705 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1507296715 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1507297677 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elf < 1507297678 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507297678 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elvish < 1507297680 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elvish? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507297680 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elven < 1507297681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elven? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507297682 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elfin < 1507297684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elfin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507297689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elves < 1507297690 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elves? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507297691 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elfs < 1507297692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elfs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507298454 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:89ab:185e:8e45:37e8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elvish preshley? < 1507298745 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507299848 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the toilets in this building, we have these toilet paper dispenser boxes that try to make it harder to steal the entire roll of toilet paper. These have the funny property that if they're half empty, then you can open them easily with the key by just reaching inside them with your hand next to the roll and turning the latch from the inside. < 1507299946 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should use this feature for the toilet cubicle *doors* instead of the toilet paper dispenser, so you don't have a manually operated latch on doors, but instead when someone is in the toilet, then the door is automatically hard to open from the outside, but when nobody is in, then anyone can enter easily. < 1507300111 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507300304 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507300304 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507300435 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507301384 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507301582 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507301783 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507301993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507302850 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1507303102 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507303225 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507304286 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507305882 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :URLs are such a great invention. Before them, people gave human-readable descriptions like "available on the internet by anonymous ftp on somehostname" < 1507307036 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507307159 0 :cyber4dude!~puppy@103.70.202.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507307409 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507307740 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but what more simple mechanism is there to ensure "hard to open when someone is inside" than a latch that can only be fastened by someone inside? < 1507307939 0 :cyber4dude!~puppy@103.70.202.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507308055 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-109-199.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507308089 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-109-199.range81-136.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, did someone here mention they're reading Computer-Kurzweil 2? < 1507308115 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1507309372 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@41.230.127.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507309480 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Changing host < 1507309480 0 :ybden!ybden@coleridge.vehk.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507309964 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopi1: the latch only works if people actually close the latch. here, people are lazy, they don't close the latch when they're in, and they leave the door closed and the lamp lit when they exit the cubicle so you can't tell from those whether it's empty. < 1507309988 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: dunno. you'll have to download all the logs and grep it or something. < 1507310013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some contradictory rumours that HackEgo may have a local copy and you can search there < 1507310990 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507311377 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507312048 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507312541 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:89ab:185e:8e45:37e8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507312745 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:195f:1aeb:90d9:cf7c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507312879 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507313065 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, is a ninth planet the same fucking deal as life on mars now, as in, pop journalists fixating on it and ignoring any explanations on why it doesn't exist? < 1507313130 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507313173 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1507313173 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, the subject to provide for possible suspension of existing cooperation agreements. < 1507313182 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :longwinded fungot! < 1507313183 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at the end of this year under the dutch presidency to focus on. in any event, the important thing at the moment, there is a risk of the death penalty as a first interim step, target values are set. the introduction of the euro. < 1507313710 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orxrxowqcxofohzi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507314912 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507315856 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507317015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507317838 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where were you? < 1507317839 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is a great sense of responsibility but it will still be accepted. amendment no 7. amendments nos 22, 23, 24 and 25 march in berlin is no reason for wanting, in the next few days will see demonstrators from all over the european aviation safety agency, which is called troubled waters. i would therefore ask the following question: in the committee on industry, external trade, research and energy has naturally consid < 1507317879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the next few days will see demonstrators from all over the european aviation safety agency" FWIW I don't think that'll be a terribly impressive demonstration. < 1507317894 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people can they have there? < 1507317978 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1507317986 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often can you actually fly into france? < 1507318015 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :err it was berlin that had a bunch of airport strikes < 1507318419 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean even if there's an airport strike you can fly into another country and then take teh eurostar < 1507318666 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507318920 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1507320409 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507320521 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gknpvzexrwludncr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507321298 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dqnlppdeevouwwuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507321866 0 :Bowserinator_!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1507321870 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1507321870 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1507321980 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507322115 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1507323974 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507324007 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507326351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507327293 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507327738 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507327836 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507328006 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1507328006 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507328341 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507328436 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507328463 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507328881 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507328972 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507329107 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507329135 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507329416 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507329640 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507329683 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507330977 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless12.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507331083 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orxrxowqcxofohzi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507332024 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507332962 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the secret is to point and laugh at people every time you accidentally walk in on them. "HAHA! Look at you! You forgot to latch the door AGAIN! I can't believe you still haven't got the hang of this! Hey, everyone! So-and-so left the door unlatched! Come look!" < 1507333017 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's mean. < 1507333095 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more good-natured solution would be to just put super soakers near the bathroom, and decree that from now on, if you manage to squirt someone with it while they're in the bathroom, they gotta toss a buck in the beer-fund jar. < 1507333101 0 :quintopi1!?@? NICK :quintopia < 1507333109 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1507333109 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1507333136 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive. < 1507333146 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507333754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507333823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507334278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507337681 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless12.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507338582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507339460 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-71-79-137-110.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507339985 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507342964 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507343246 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507343685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1507343685 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 062350Z 23018KT 9999 BKN032 06/03 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 24019KT < 1507343689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTUMN < 1507344125 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather < 1507344239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1507344240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 070053Z 31006KT 10SM FEW180 25/03 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP146 T02500028 < 1507344252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please fix twh < 1507344267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackGone < 1507344424 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zixrloccycmlzchc JOIN :#esoteric < 1507345410 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: I'm running out of ideas for quit messages :( < 1507345457 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-71-79-137-110.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507345650 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507345800 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507345910 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507345921 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507346165 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507346667 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@41.230.127.230 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507347157 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507347421 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507348317 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1507348346 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507348441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed the wrong tmux process by accident < 1507348450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or inattention) < 1507351936 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a computer game I have started to make up (a puzzle game) I have made this palette: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1C/palette.png http://sprunge.us/IQCH The top row is PC colours, the right column is some extras (the bottom-right represents transparency), and the rest is the Hero Mesh palette (with a few alterations). < 1507351947 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is good? < 1507351982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your puzzle game compatible with CGA? < 1507352045 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one isn't. < 1507352049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I got my Super Mega book in the mail. < 1507352055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I have made other computer games that are.) < 1507352172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a very big book, i presume ) < 1507352337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This new game is design to be similar to Hero Mesh, kind of, although many things which were I think mistakes or other problems in the design of Hero Mesh, that I can do them differently this time, in order to make it better and avoid some of the problems that Hero Mesh is have.) < 1507352358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Dangerous Dave? < 1507352360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAVE.EXE < 1507352715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have that game in my computer, too < 1507352877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1507352913 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507353027 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to save game? < 1507353089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game? < 1507353104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous Dave < 1507353410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can save. < 1507353472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any version of DOSBOX support its own save state function? < 1507353519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1507354282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've heard rumours of a hacked version that did that but it was, IIRC, not publically released < 1507354298 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasn't really complete enough to handle more than one game, run on other people's computers, etc. < 1507355405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are other x86 virtual machines that support that. < 1507355409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can run DOSBOX inside them. < 1507355416 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507358174 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would you not run freedos inside them directly? < 1507358230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that too. < 1507358296 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the other x86 virtual machine emulates any of the hardware you need, then I think it will work to just run FreeDOS directly (and might even work better in some cases) < 1507358380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it'd emulate DOS-compatible hardware, though. < 1507358415 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is emulating a PC, then it probably should emulate DOS-compatible hardware. < 1507358420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta set your IRQs, man < 1507358449 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise it should hardly be called a PC) < 1507358450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get that Sound Blaster Pro going < 1507359121 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507360112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507361426 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-109-199.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507362577 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507363726 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507363985 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507365356 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507365976 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507366591 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zixrloccycmlzchc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507367475 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507367628 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507368010 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507368179 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507368384 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1507368459 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507368870 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507369185 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1507369234 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507370062 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1507371520 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507371591 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507371893 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507373168 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507373298 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507373567 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507374615 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507374820 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507375080 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507375205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507378824 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507379038 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1507383760 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here remember continuous chess? or whatever it was called < 1507383798 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe Phantom_Hoover invented it ?v? I wanna read the rules again, they were fun!! < 1507384415 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-01-06#230105PhantomHoover ... http://www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/continuouschess.html (which is different) seems to predate that though < 1507386279 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507388885 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm only aware of continuous go… which has an article devoted to it on Sensei's Library IIRC < 1507388948 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://senseis.xmp.net/?Variant https://senseis.xmp.net/?GoOnABoardWithoutLines < 1507388991 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507390503 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Property404/fetlang did that make its way to here already? < 1507391220 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507391495 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507393184 0 :grumble2!grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1507393191 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: the < 1507393543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507393599 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that can't work. this is a big office building with people from lots of companies, and the toilets are shared among them and even with some guests. even if I could convince people in our company to follow those rules, I couldn't convince everyone else in the building to do that. < 1507393663 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds horrible < 1507393665 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I ran most of the DOS games in bochs (although a few I've ran in dosbox because that old version of bochs couldn't handle the video card requirement or something). I think it has a snapshotting feature, but I never really tried. These days, you should try qemu instead if you want snapshots for old DOS games. < 1507393723 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1507393738 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have sucessfully snapshotted and restored the *disk* contents when the game is powered down, in fact the termbot (which connects IRC as a terminal to the DOS machine) can restore to a snapshot I made automatically. < 1507393748 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/game is/machine is/ < 1507393786 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, I like that system. but I also know that people's opinion differs in that, some people prefer to have the toilet in the office, which they do have in the other building. < 1507393877 0 :grumble2!grumble@freenode/staff/grumble PART #esoteric : < 1507394286 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507397736 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d9:8ad0:9200:483e JOIN :#esoteric < 1507398205 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507398662 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507398681 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! Why does the label of shoelaces always give a length longer than the actual measured length of the lace? < 1507398738 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is in different units of measurement, maybe? < 1507398741 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they measure them, like stretched with high force? < 1507398780 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507398781 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the label explicitly says "cm" < 1507398806 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: O, it already says the units. Yes, maybe with high force. But, then, why should they do that? < 1507399091 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the shoelace is not even the right order of magnitude to make the obligatory joke about males mis-sizing objects so they can brag about their twelve-inch penis. < 1507399254 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this other pair of laces at least has the right size < 1507399265 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the right size for what's written on the label < 1507399797 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the right size for my boots < 1507399992 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly the store can't have shoelaces in every combination of material, thickness and shape, color and width, because that would be a really large number of combinations, so I just had to buy one that's close to right. < 1507400005 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507400551 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm going to fix all the shirts that need sewing, either to close small holes or resew buttons. I have seven shirts here, but I think there's one more hidden somewhere. < 1507400643 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmvbsqmhemvfccoh JOIN :#esoteric < 1507401070 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507401634 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods the fungot < 1507401635 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the amsterdam treaty it would not be vaccinated but pre-emptively killed in a certain speculative event but i can, by the danish prime minister, mr fini, to help ensure that it is not a single religion that has not been mentioned before that we have had the opportunity to tell you for information purposes? i have no problems in sharing out money from public funds among yourselves. it i < 1507402597 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our internet has been glitchier as of late. < 1507402675 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1864@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.100 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507402757 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what's up with HackEgo. The socat instance has 100% CPU use. < 1507402768 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it's inside a restart loop, so maybe if I just kill it... < 1507402776 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507402800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507402806 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1507402845 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1507402845 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1507402849 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1507402855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1507403655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think maybe Phantom_Hoover invented it ?v? I wanna read the rules again, they were fun!! < 1507403657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did < 1507403672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly it was more an exercise in making the rules work than a game < 1507403954 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading these logs now, yessss this is so good. I vaguely remember a summary existing at some point < 1507403959 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote glurk < 1507403960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :677) * Phantom_Hoover moves 0.5 Phantom_Hoover into the Atlantic, and captures fizzie's upper body with 0.5 Phantom_Hoover. Glurk. < 1507403998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one thing that always irked me was that my original goal of having real chess as a strict subset didn't quite work < 1507404018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you couldn't e.g move a bishop northeast with a piece to the north and a piece to the east < 1507404038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could easily solve that by shrinking the pieces in their squares a bit but that was inelegant enough not to satisfy me < 1507404068 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be what That Other Continous Chess does < 1507405647 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507405888 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:48d6:9b5d:423f:97c9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507405926 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507406526 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does ! in visual mode in vim always operate linewise even if the selection isn't linewise? < 1507407289 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:3810:159c:5c0e:375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool! I should expect something soon then :) < 1507407916 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507408217 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507409110 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally in TeX are not using the \loop command, which clobbers \next, but instead, can use macros that (if called \next, for example) might end with something like: \ifnum\xyzzy=42{\let\next}\fi\next in order to break the loop in case the condition is true. Do other people do this? < 1507409385 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507409511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507409687 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507409776 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507410215 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507410388 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507410485 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507411507 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507411623 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507412519 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507412723 0 :HAL100!~hal@host217-46-83-76.range217-46.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507412745 0 :HAL100!~hal@host217-46-83-76.range217-46.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507412775 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507412831 0 :HAL100!~hal@host217-46-83-76.range217-46.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507412860 0 :HAL100!~hal@host217-46-83-76.range217-46.btcentralplus.com PART #esoteric : < 1507412927 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507412962 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507413753 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507414054 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507414065 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507414950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507415191 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507416020 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507416668 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507417057 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1507417057 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507417302 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmvbsqmhemvfccoh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507417461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507417766 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507418883 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507421288 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 QUIT :Quit: ZAMBONI CHICKEN < 1507421763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they say pi is wrong? I will agree tau is a much better idea, but that doesn't make pi wrong. (I also prefer to call tau the "period of trigonometric functions" instead of the "circle constant", but that is a different question anyways.) < 1507422365 0 :Guest77438!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the people saying this are wankers < 1507422374 0 :Guest77438!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :says this impartial observer < 1507422377 0 :Guest77438!?@? NICK :Slereah < 1507422667 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507423444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507424665 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507425351 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d9:8ad0:9200:483e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trigonometric function" is such a ridiculously complex concept when compared to "circle" < 1507425405 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d9:8ad0:9200:483e PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tan is a periodic trigonometric function, but it's period is pi < 1507425417 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d9:8ad0:9200:483e PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/its < 1507425745 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:94d9:8ad0:9200:483e QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1507425753 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507428605 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507429068 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that ^V puts Kate in VI mode so it uses all VI keybindings. < 1507429070 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by accident < 1507429169 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because "pi is wrong" is a much better attention-grabber than "mathematical pedagogy surrounding circles and trigonometry becomes quite a bit simpler and more effective when we focus attention on the radian measure of a full circle" < 1507429187 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507429261 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :YIL that loops in 3D rotation space have parity. < 1507429279 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I take an object and turn it around 360 degrees. I just put the object through an odd rotation. < 1507429293 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I turn it around 360 degrees, and then, once again, I turn it around 360 degrees, in any direction. < 1507429298 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an even rotation. < 1507429340 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any even rotation can be continuously deformed into the identity rotation--the one where you just leave the object alone and don't turn it at all. < 1507429343 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd rotations cannot. < 1507429763 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1507429786 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 360 degree rotation around any axis *is* the identity rotation < 1507429830 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm kind of using the word "rotation" wrong. < 1507429838 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really mean is "path in rotation space". < 1507429854 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1507429861 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I turn an object 360 degrees, then turn it 360 degrees again. That's an even path-in-rotation-space. < 1507429881 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any even path-in-rotation-space can be continuously deformed into the identity path-in-rotation-space. < 1507429896 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I just got hit by a wave of sleepiness. < 1507429913 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm gonna go home, vacuum some fleas, and go to bed. < 1507429921 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, all. < 1507429945 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507429970 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507430647 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tniitmhhqhuhttsf JOIN :#esoteric < 1507431964 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: :) < 1507432882 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507433403 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bland Chess (which is my brother's idea) is not quite the true subset of FIDE; some moves are legal which might not be legal in FIDE because they would put yourself into check if the game was FIDE. < 1507433479 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bland Chess is a chess variant where all diagonal moves are prohibited, although knight moves are still possible.) < 1507434865 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507435974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507438498 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tniitmhhqhuhttsf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bfjoust solved? is there much room for improvement in bots? < 1507440361 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1507441151 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507442155 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507443153 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507443599 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507445238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507445931 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkapastel: it's kind of rock-paper-scissory, so it is always possible to beat the hill < 1507445953 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just figure out something that most of the current jousters are doing wrong and exploit it < 1507446002 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that it is, in fact, currently possible to beat everything on the hill on every tape length--it's been done before as I recall. < 1507446121 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507446640 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made the program to draw a polygon onto an existing picture (the polygon does not have to be entirely within the boundary of the picture). < 1507448593 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if this document is good: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ff-dntsc < 1507451731 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507454059 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507455580 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507455815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507455815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1507455815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507458219 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tniitmhhqhuhttsf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507458942 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507458966 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507459881 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507461361 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507461891 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:3cff:9380:d8c5:9510 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507462154 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:3cff:9380:d8c5:9510 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507465858 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507466515 0 :Neo1!~Thunderbi@88-144-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507467545 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507467575 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507470178 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507471231 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507471235 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507471245 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1507471816 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507472642 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507472943 0 :Neo1!~Thunderbi@88-144-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net QUIT :Quit: Neo1 < 1507474831 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507476766 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507476988 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1507477007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:alphabet//Alphabet is a system of writing invented by Google. \ 🐚//(1+sqrt(5))/2 hth \ gblh//Gblh but less helpful. \ hth//hth ([ʰtʰh̩]) is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. \ dark water//Dark water is an instadeath terrain type in Game Boy games that would represent lava if you had lots of imaginati < 1507477008 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507477009 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:on. < 1507477424 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507477516 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507478810 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507480670 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507481728 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507483700 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: Oh no, default quit message? D: (Either I'm lazy or something bad happened) < 1507483754 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507484354 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojmcopstqofhgxfh JOIN :#esoteric < 1507485551 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507485681 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507485708 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507486999 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507487080 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507488399 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-192.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507488425 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-206.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507488750 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507489627 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1507490564 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507490680 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507491003 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507491377 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507491405 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507491948 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507492602 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:406f:45f6:b41f:6516 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507493819 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:406f:45f6:b41f:6516 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507493918 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:c03c:167:59f9:db1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1507494032 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:c03c:167:59f9:db1c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507495296 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507495304 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings < 1507495370 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone put any serious thought into whether or not harmful brainfuck is turing complete? < 1507495387 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually quite interesting imo < 1507495535 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507495660 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:ac88:5b85:2a1:a931 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507495841 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4551:9f42:ac88:5b85:2a1:a931 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507496371 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507496391 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. I look at it and I think, yeah, it probably is. < 1507496421 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1507496424 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No obvious obstacles to Turing-completeness. < 1507496441 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :afternoon < 1507496469 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it certainly might be, but it's not immediately clear how to do things like loop n times < 1507496511 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey moony < 1507496514 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's not obvious that "initial setup" is possible. < 1507496548 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'harmful brainfuck'? Link me. Sounds intresting. < 1507496564 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, suppose I want to initialize the first 128 cells to 128 in a reasonably concise way. < 1507496569 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, i'll link myself. < 1507496570 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Harmful_Brainfuck < 1507496577 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1507496579 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just... < 1507496594 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not immediately obvious that it's even possible to jump back to the beginning of the program. < 1507496600 0 :laufen!55b152da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.177.82.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507496614 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to subsequently continue in a reasonable manner. < 1507496635 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507496682 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even something as simple as a conditional jump seems tricky < 1507496750 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made program converting Netpbm formats into farbfeld (I already had the program converting the other way; now I have both way) < 1507496750 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say we want to jump if the current cell is zero and otherwise not < 1507496759 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do a conditional jump via, well, trampolines. Just think of it how a GPU programmer might think of it, it looks like it'll become clearer that way. (GPU programming has no conditionals, or at least it didnt for a long time) < 1507496783 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orby, that case seems impossible, tho. ): < 1507496800 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't need that kind of conditional jump, though. < 1507496816 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, say, represent false as 64 and true as 128. < 1507496817 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I suppose not < 1507496836 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you can implement logic gates and whatnot operating on that, you're pretty golden. < 1507496847 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1507496858 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah you've got the right idea < 1507496874 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be nice to be able to simulate constant jumps. < 1507496875 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple NOT gate can perform boolean logic. (My proof? Minecraft's redstone torches.) < 1507496892 0 :augur!~augur@2602:306:ce95:7860:7413:593e:7516:736b JOIN :#esoteric < 1507496892 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple not gate looks possible here < 1507496896 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably is. < 1507496923 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can prove a boolean notgate exists, its turing complete. < 1507496930 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thats only one way to do it. < 1507496932 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can simulate constant jumps by just keeping particular constant values nearby the tape pointer... as long as you can set up those constant values in the first place. < 1507496955 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the redstone torches aren't *just* a NOT gate. Like, they can have multiple inputs, right? < 1507496955 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_, +++. < 1507496983 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_, not directly. Altho, good point. Wasnt thinking about that part :P OR and NOT. < 1507496984 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all you have is NOT gates and composition, then there are only two functions you can make. < 1507497000 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or and not is functionally complete though < 1507497009 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1507497016 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need more than functional completeness to be turing complete of course < 1507497016 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wracks brain < 1507497102 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just step out for now. Too many videogames. *wonders how minecraft computers are turing complete with only NOT and OR) < 1507497132 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too have heard that minecraft computers are turing complete, but I don't know much about how they work < 1507497164 0 :augur!~augur@2602:306:ce95:7860:7413:593e:7516:736b QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507497185 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think harmful brainfuck is especially interesting because it seems like there is ample room for minimization < 1507497193 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit of a fetish of mine < 1507497204 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh. ok. < 1507497223 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost imagined how that could be fetishified. < 1507497227 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1507497231 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure of speech < 1507497273 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off the bat we can drop - because the cells wrap around < 1507497290 0 :laufen!55b152da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.177.82.218 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1507497295 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can combine >+ < 1507497307 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings it down to 3 commands pretty easily < 1507497326 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's possible to combine < and * < 1507497382 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no. a minimizer, hide before he minimizes you! < 1507497409 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507497410 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1507497445 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, wait i have bait for him. orby, here, go minimize Javascript. < 1507497473 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval < 1507497474 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1507497490 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1507497503 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orby, now try and outdo JSFuck. < 1507497515 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen that, in the wiki? < 1507497524 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1507497556 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/JSFuck < 1507497580 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507497625 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty awesome < 1507498035 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ojmcopstqofhgxfh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507498282 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507499229 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507499286 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :new favorite esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ecstatic < 1507499290 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like whitespace < 1507499292 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ...Minor setback < 1507499295 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘...’ < 1507499305 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry lambdabot < 1507499323 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid lua string literals can contain valid whitespace < 1507499351 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without it becoming part of the string) < 1507499378 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html < 1507499382 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for "\z" < 1507499386 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in the lua 5.3 manual < 1507499404 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it doesn't work in lua 5.1 < 1507499429 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now if only whitespace could be used in making malware...) < 1507500288 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507500418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507500472 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, that reminds me of a quirk of Lua I found out about recently. < 1507500489 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua is one of those rare languages where statements don't need explicit terminators *and* whitespace doesn't matter. < 1507500562 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1507500565 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is valid Lua code: < 1507500567 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = true (print)(x) < 1507500570 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints "true". < 1507500574 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1507500594 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1507500598 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also valid Lua code: < 1507500602 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = true y = true (print)(y) < 1507500605 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also prints "true". < 1507500618 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, on the other hand, is a runtime error: < 1507500623 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = true y = x (print)(y) < 1507500685 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x = true y = true (print)(y)" is parsed as "x = true; y = true; (print)(y)", whereas "x = true y = x (print)(y)" is parsed as "x = true; y = x(print)(y)". < 1507500708 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get the error "stdin:1: attempt to call global 'x' (a boolean value)". < 1507500739 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gives the same runtime error: x = true x() < 1507500747 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is a syntax error: x = true true() < 1507500814 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for all of this is that it's syntactically illegal to use a boolean literal as the function in a function call. < 1507500853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507501132 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful. < 1507501242 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507501461 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: x = print (function() end)() does not do what you think it does < 1507501650 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507501667 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507501775 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507501775 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507501794 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507501948 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OASYS compiler doesn't even have explicit terminators (nor does it need parentheses or commas around function arguments, and actually doesn't even accept commas), so if you name a property the same as a global variable or method or whatever, you can have something going wrong. < 1507502001 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507502122 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507502126 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :power went out < 1507502352 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soni: I think it does do what I think it does. :D < 1507502369 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: and what's that? < 1507502370 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it calls print with function() end, then calls the result with no arguments, then assigns that result into x. < 1507502381 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1507502387 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I think that the second call will produce an error and so the third thing won't happen. < 1507502389 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really annoying when you love anonymous recursive functions < 1507502740 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507503126 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507503426 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507504065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507505055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507505078 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507505517 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507505761 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507506252 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507506895 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1507506904 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507507202 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1507507225 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507507407 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkwugghswfbrxmgt JOIN :#esoteric < 1507507762 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507508121 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507508147 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507508284 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507508525 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507508851 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507509101 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507510495 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507510743 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507510745 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507512902 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507513739 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507514001 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507514028 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507514217 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507515888 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1507515914 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507516171 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507516249 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507517018 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507518033 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1507519262 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507520216 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507520501 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507521449 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507523492 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507523775 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507524129 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1507525663 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507525722 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507527320 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507528151 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a program to encode XZIP picture library format (I had previously written the decoder). The format is so obscure that these might be the only programs in existence that support this format (although Infocom probably used to have others, but they have been lost). < 1507528202 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, only a single file of this format exists, as far as I know, called "font2.dat".) < 1507528591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "font2.dat" file contains five pictures: "knife.qqq", which has a bad drawing of a knife, and the text "ZORK A New Beginning"; "tiny.qqq", which is a 23x11 picture which is blank except for a stroke on the left; < 1507528662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"circles.qqq", which has some circles, the text "CIRCLES" (including the quotation marks) and "This is an example of a title"; "maze.qqq", which has a spiral with a house in the middle, and what I think is a bad drawing of a mouse, labeled "Mickey"; and "water.qqq", which is a bad drawing of some water. < 1507528839 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507528877 0 :test!55b2ff1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.178.255.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507528900 0 :test!?@? NICK :Guest31646 < 1507529689 0 :Guest31646!55b2ff1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.178.255.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507529767 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507530934 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507532447 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1507533915 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507533962 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507534194 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507534208 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507534978 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkwugghswfbrxmgt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507536427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1507537394 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507538373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507541948 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507543180 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507543258 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507543389 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wpllnxdwuthfnxzw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507543401 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dtmsrssxlrgzntlm JOIN :#esoteric < 1507546044 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507546489 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507547015 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507547059 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507549207 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507549597 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507549901 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507551902 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507554549 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it uses logo-like syntax? < 1507554936 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/ < 1507554941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't exist, right? < 1507554947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bobadventureslist: not found < 1507557228 0 :someone_!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507557366 0 :someone_!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 QUIT :Client Quit < 1507558990 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507560048 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507561869 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507562143 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507563030 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507563904 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507563943 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507565208 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507566249 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507566343 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507566609 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507566838 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507568190 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjkwmnyuimfayqoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1507569141 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507570428 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507570725 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507570834 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So what uses logo-like syntax? The pictures I described are a binary file. The encoder/decoder is documented at: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ffxzip < 1507571302 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507571986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I didn't mean the image compression. " The OASYS compiler doesn't even have explicit terminators (nor does it need parentheses or commas around function arguments, and actually doesn't even accept commas), so if you name a property the same as a global variable or method or whatever, you can have something going wrong." < 1507572028 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507572100 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know logo syntax, so I don't know. < 1507572132 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, here is an example program: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#OASYS_.28OAC.29 < 1507572191 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All of the line breaks are optional; it doesn't care about line breaks.) < 1507572221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: close enough then, for my purposes < 1507572222 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1507572495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does no optimizations; duplicate string literals will be given different index numbers, and if a "verbs" list contains a variable name, the variable name will be placed into the vocabulary list even though at runtime it won't accept any phrases containing the variable name as valid input. < 1507572669 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code below that one is pretty much the same thing but a different programming language that compiles into the same binary format, but the result is somewhat more optimized; the first code compiles "value == -1 or value == 256" into the two checks followed by an OR and jumps past the code if true, while the second one checks those two conditions and jumps part the RP (return from procedure) if either is true. < 1507572787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The OASYS compiler has no reserved words either) < 1507572842 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? joke < 1507572846 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jokes are no drug. < 1507572884 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it have user-defined functions with prefix syntax and arbitrary arity? user-defined two-argument functions with infix syntax? < 1507572888 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? golf < 1507572889 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf is the shortest game known. The goal is to get a ball into a hole with a single stroke. < 1507573024 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are only methods, although all classes share the same methods. All methods other than init must be called with an object to the left, and the arguments to the right. (In the case of init, the object to the left is allowed to be null.) When the user invokes a method without using a comma, the value of the global variable "player" is used as the "this". < 1507573075 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1507573082 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a comma is used, then the part before the comma is resolved as a class name, the method "select_addressee" (or "&#" in OAA) is called on every object of that class until it returns nonzero, and then uses that object as the "this" of the method named after the comma. < 1507573087 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was wrong, it's not like logo syntax < 1507573160 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also no forward declarations; you must define a function before another function that calls it can be defined. < 1507573685 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the picture format I described above isn't compressed) < 1507574377 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507576033 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507578032 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507578289 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507578673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507579277 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507579584 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1507580082 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1507580519 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507581679 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507581958 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507583248 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507583417 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507583600 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507583755 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507585083 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507585102 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507585357 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507586367 0 :boily!~alexandre@24.225.177.250 QUIT :Quit: BREATH CHICKEN < 1507586473 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507586568 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507587513 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507587571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GURPS character has a "Enemies" disadvantage, and in this case neither he nor I know who they are, but I wrote down on a paper, some list of the possibilities. < 1507587579 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These aren't all of the possibilities, but some.) < 1507588460 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507589167 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507589437 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-35-165.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507589545 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-78-189.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507589773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507589875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507589875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1507589875 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507590142 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507590169 0 :orby!44215ae7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507590401 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507590502 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Quit: Divided by zero < 1507591025 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-35-165.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507591065 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-246-100.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507591145 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507591305 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507591561 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjkwmnyuimfayqoq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507591587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A group of Infinity or Centrum agents who believe Ziveruskex known the Secret (or will soon find it or help someone to, somehow) and wish to discredit, recruit, kill, memory erasure, go to Coventry, or some such. < 1507591685 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A case of mistaken identity. A thief of same species stole the man's stuff. < 1507591698 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? I have more, too. < 1507591913 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Ziveruskex had previously eaten some of the man's blood (or that of his horse, relative, etc) and now he wants revenge. < 1507591929 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Someone wants to steal Ziveruskex's spellbook, and/or possibly other stuff too. < 1507591936 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - They want to play chess, to the death. < 1507592019 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Ziveruskex is the first character of this species the observer has seen and now they try to examine him too closely. < 1507592038 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - They want human will be best at mathematics and science, and want to stop these monster to be too good at it. < 1507592060 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Some magic or psychic control went wrong, and due to Ziveruskex's Truename, now they want to attack or seek Ziveruskex instead of what was intended. < 1507592222 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - It is Bob's boss, who wishes to make Ziveruskex's job more difficult (Bob may be secretly in on it, or maybe not). < 1507592238 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Ziveruskex's wing (or antenna or other body part) is exactly the size they need. < 1507592274 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A librarian who owns a library Ziveruskex had previously entered wants to force him to pay the entry fee, even though nobody else has ever been charged before. < 1507592290 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : - It is the Catholic Church. (Maybe they want to get him because he wrote something.) < 1507592292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1507592300 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1507593265 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507593330 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507593379 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507593417 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507594619 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuihzctawpsmqljd JOIN :#esoteric < 1507594805 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507595253 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-011-192.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507595460 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507596174 0 :shikhin!?@? 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NICK :shikhin < 1507596479 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507596525 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1507596689 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507596931 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507597198 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507597660 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507597678 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1507597873 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507598060 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507600191 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507600576 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507600828 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507601572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507601731 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507601867 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507602006 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507602034 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-54-182.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507602107 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507602125 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-246-100.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507602142 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507602152 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507604226 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507604253 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, I got the highlighting of trailing spaces in vim to work the way I wanted it to. < 1507604409 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: Oh no, default quit message? D: (Either I'm lazy or something bad happened) < 1507604481 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507604570 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507604586 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507604775 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507604977 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507605329 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507605917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doing this involves using the "conceal" mechanism.) < 1507606518 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1507606754 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507606845 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507607777 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507607870 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507608148 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507608913 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507608922 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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NICK :Slereah < 1507666981 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507667112 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1507667422 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507667599 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507667643 0 :tellstogo!3ecd7b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.123.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507668499 0 :tellstogo!3ecd7b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.123.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507668655 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507668776 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507669710 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfscndnmzuvctpwg JOIN :#esoteric < 1507669768 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507669908 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507670539 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507671075 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507671382 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507672627 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507673119 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507673144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507673744 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507673806 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1507674238 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507674460 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:89dc:5656:5379:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1507674741 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507675128 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507675460 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507675711 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507676479 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: still there? < 1507676589 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1507676633 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:i//I SIGNIFICAT NVMERVM VNVM \ roborosewater//RoboRosewater is generating random Magic: the Gathering cards, see https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater \ hexham//Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico \ hyperbolic group//Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they're totally awesome and cure cancer. \ < 1507676634 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1507676635 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: atrix//Atrix is a brand of hand cream. Not to be confused with atriq. < 1507677370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507678129 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507678368 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507678617 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507678778 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507679045 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507680209 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507680842 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507681505 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507681680 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507682025 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507682189 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507682304 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507682396 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507682427 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507682601 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507683311 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507684167 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507684821 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507684911 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507685225 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507685289 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507685363 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507685457 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507685808 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507686033 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507686048 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507686140 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507686305 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507686376 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507686548 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507686664 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you vegetarian? < 1507686665 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, the european union and, on the basis of article 100c of the treaty, insurance system reforms and policy are national responsibilities. emu leads to economic chaos, whilst proceeding with emu is precisely to go further than the commission's original proposal with regard to the convention. < 1507687097 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1507687117 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a postcard < 1507687146 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your t's are like e's and your g's are like z's < 1507687183 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me some research to determine that "sizhes" was "sights" < 1507687209 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my mom deciphered it) < 1507687257 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1507687267 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<'... >_>;... < 1507687294 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507687300 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it got to destination! < 1507687394 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn sizhes//You may need to adjust your sights to understand sizhes. < 1507687401 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'sizhes': You may need to adjust your sights to understand sizhes. < 1507687423 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom beer < 1507687424 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise. < 1507687436 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1507687448 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer is great hackego < 1507687453 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? beer < 1507687454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507687482 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1507687515 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn beer/beer never ships from quebec < 1507687515 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: `le/[/]rn // < 1507687530 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn beer//beer never ships from quebec < 1507687533 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'beer': beer never ships from quebec < 1507687612 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v... < 1507687852 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn beer/Beer never ships from Québec. < 1507687853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: `le/[/]rn // < 1507687860 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh. < 1507687863 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn beer//Beer never ships from Québec. < 1507687866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'beer': Beer never ships from Québec. < 1507687883 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FABULOUS CHICKEN < 1507687920 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507687939 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507689694 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507689958 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507690709 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507690890 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507690978 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: I almost quit without making a custom quit message, rip < 1507692095 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507692141 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1507693342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507693400 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507693625 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507694567 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1507696082 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfscndnmzuvctpwg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507697255 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507698575 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507698656 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507698821 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507701592 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzgsdvycwjtspqly JOIN :#esoteric < 1507702220 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507702481 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507702690 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507702858 0 :augur!~augur@208.70.31.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507703313 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507703399 0 :augur!~augur@208.70.31.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507703519 0 :augur!~augur@208.70.31.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507705151 0 :augur!~augur@208.70.31.232 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1507705221 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1507705567 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:3810:159c:5c0e:375 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507705914 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507706345 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e0e3:5a5d:6eb5:c032 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507707204 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:89dc:5656:5379:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1507707368 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:89dc:5656:5379:b9ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507707887 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507708193 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507709312 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507710176 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb < 1507710178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventions). < 1507710186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1507710187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1507710216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s/sanity, /&Italian, / < 1507710219 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1507710244 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507710361 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507710681 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507710712 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507711193 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507711472 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507711494 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507711623 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507712947 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzgsdvycwjtspqly QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507713083 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507713874 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507715728 0 :sebbu2!?@? 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NICK :sebbu < 1507756905 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:871a:45e3:bc49:8c2a:bf16:ed53 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507757242 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507757559 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507758322 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507758580 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1507758687 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:871a:45e3:248e:1a85:e35f:1099 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507759515 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507759534 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507760166 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507760929 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:871a:45e3:248e:1a85:e35f:1099 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507761118 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507761130 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdy7mxxujcar4d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507761894 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507762026 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507762035 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507763114 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507763121 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507763501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507763693 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507764042 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is multiset rewriting turing complete? < 1507764162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what definition of "rewriting" are you using? something like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran is Turing-complete < 1507764179 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was accidentally rediscovered by oerjan as a rewriting-like system before he discovered it already existed < 1507764422 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacement rules, but not over strings. < 1507764525 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractran's is literally just specifying a multiset to remove and a multiset to add in its place (with a command doing nothing if you can't do that) < 1507764533 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the multiset equivalent of a string rewriting rule < 1507764558 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, kind of. as in, you have a set of elements you're searching for on the right hand side, and a list of elements to replace them with on the left hand side. < 1507764579 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc" -> "def" is equivalent to "acb" -> "fed", etc. < 1507764601 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: this sounds like fractran, yeah < 1507764607 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the quantity of each element matters in the replacement, not the order. < 1507764615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds even more like fractran < 1507764633 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system < 1507764648 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more interesting example, but I'm not dealing with membranes. < 1507765280 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507765879 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me wonder if the ordering of strings is even required. < 1507765893 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be turing complete, that is. < 1507766190 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507766212 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507766516 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to just link you to Fractran again :-P < 1507766572 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that evaulation order in Fractran doesn't matter for TCness; you can write programs so that only one rule at a time ever applies) < 1507766758 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric : right, but fractran isn't quite like what I'm thinking. < 1507766769 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that equivalent. < 1507766877 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1507766960 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fractran's state is a single number, while a multiset rewriting system's state is, well, a multiset. < 1507766966 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very different. < 1507766967 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc -> def perfectly translates to 7*11*13/1*3*5 < 1507766979 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*3*5 < 1507766986 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: convert it to a prime factorisation < 1507766995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you can treat that as a single number is mostly just coincidence < 1507767015 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual fractran programming uses the multiset view pretty much all the time < 1507767016 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1507767020 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're just choosing primes as the alphabet. < 1507767024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aishello < 1507767028 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :himode < 1507767028 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fractran. < 1507767029 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1507767041 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I can see that. creative. < 1507767051 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :leibniz would be proud. < 1507767160 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized collatz functions are p cool guys. they golf well and dont afraid of any computable n7mber < 1507767195 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that however lends itself to larger and larger numbers which is rather inconvenient. < 1507767217 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's really simple, actually. < 1507767241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, I didn't know order wasn't required for Fractran < 1507767274 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why it doesn't, because prime factorization's order doesn't matter, and that naturally maps to a multiset. < 1507767298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the order of instructions. < 1507767312 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's required by the spec, but you can change that part of the spec and it still works < 1507767314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever those are called. Fractions. < 1507767317 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1507767321 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractrans. :P < 1507767361 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to program fractran and thue the same way, i.e. so that the order of evaluation is irrelevant to the program < 1507767382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran is actually probably a more convenient language, thue has bad wire-crossing-like problems < 1507767391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that trying to get data from one end of the program to the other is a pain < 1507767396 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it, just normally need a huge number of cases < 1507767413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do people talk about esolangs in here? < 1507767435 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1507767463 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that was my initial gripe. because ordering mattered you're essentially constructing a 1D CA with an arbitrary neighborhood. < 1507767470 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to program in. < 1507767495 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's more likely when I'm in here (admittedly, not /much/ more likely, and in this case imode started it) < 1507767500 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ontopic discussion though < 1507767505 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas an unordered set (or in this case, an unordered multiset) is more convenient. < 1507767536 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to take a unary representation of a number and double it for example, but in thue the representation becomes unwieldy. < 1507767593 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in thue that's pretty easy if you have a marker at each end < 1507767599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run a cursor along the number < 1507767604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1 ::= 11| < 1507767621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the markers at each end to handle the cursor appropriately (they'll need to do something to fit this into your program's control flow) < 1507767992 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristica_universalis leibniz and godel have something in common, in that they fetishized about primes and their properties for uniqueness. :P < 1507768017 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507768182 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA, his523, imellode, mynamello, helloochaf. < 1507768198 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is there a bot capable of that in here? < 1507768218 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what benefit a bot woudl have < 1507768229 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hackego is capable of just about anything as long as the output's a function of the input < 1507768254 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :automation is what keeps bored minds busy. :P < 1507768276 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automating porthelloes isn't trivial. < 1507768457 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its almost like correctly conjugating present tense verbs and deciding when to use an article on a noun simultaneously < 1507768505 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has tried to describe his porthello algorithm and it mostly comes out "however sounds good to me" < 1507768519 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. < 1507768595 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507768889 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm only seems unclear in cases where the original word doesn't have exactly one "o" pronounced as such < 1507769337 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507770268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507770296 0 :tellstogo!3ecd7b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.123.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507770619 0 :tellstogo!3ecd7b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.123.47 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1507771301 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507771660 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507772476 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507772799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and was accidentally rediscovered by oerjan as a rewriting-like system before he discovered it already existed <-- no, that's a misunderstanding, i had definitely heard of the fraction version (from the math institute's encyclopedia iirc) - i just had no idea what it was _called_. < 1507772815 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1507772821 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you called it something else < 1507772841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and included a symbolic format < 1507773016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (note that evaulation order in Fractran doesn't matter for TCness; you can write programs so that only one rule at a time ever applies) <-- istr we found out that was false at some point. < 1507773065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, now you mention it, perhaps I misremembered < 1507773084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I've been spreading misinformation < 1507773094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very slowly, on and off over the last several years) < 1507773109 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that you can't prove, without some evaluation order restriction, that a particular element /isn't/ contained < 1507773113 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the multiset < 1507773165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, just when I thought I was informed. < 1507773271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those proofs that you can remember how it works when you're reminded it exists, but be implicitly certain with no evidence that the opposite is true the rest of the time < 1507773301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1507773424 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because I think of the problem as being control flow (which is trivially fixed), not detecting zero < 1507773461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember 100% how the proof went < 1507773575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a fraction can run at p**0 (* other factors) it can also run at p**n (* the same other factors) for higher n; this means that you can't set a value to 0 without already having a defined maximum value for it < 1507773582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the full proof but it's the basic argument < 1507773587 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everthing else was just details from there < 1507773712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like, if there's a non-halting computation then it must at some point produce a number divisible by a previous one. < 1507773727 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GUARANTEED CHICKEN < 1507773760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then _everything_ divisible by the previous one can avoid halting < 1507773838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1507773921 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's something like a compactness argument hiding in the details, i smell < 1507774024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps it was linear algebra. < 1507774330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello testing < 1507774331 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, World! < 1507774335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi testing < 1507774336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi testing. Hesting. < 1507774362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i vaguely thought there _was_ a porthello command. btwohily. < 1507774376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello testing < 1507774377 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ello: not found < 1507774380 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1507774391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *ll* < 1507774392 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8ball \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ allquotes \ dontaskdonttelllist \ don'taskdon'ttelllist \ hello \ hello-world-in-any-language \ llist \ roll \ tell \ wellcome \ willkommen < 1507774445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/8* < 1507774446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 39 Oct 28 2016 bin/8ball \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 39 Oct 28 2016 bin/8-ball \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 10 Feb 10 2017 bin/8ball < 1507774475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/8* | cat -v < 1507774476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 39 Oct 28 2016 bin/8ball \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 39 Oct 28 2016 bin/8-ball \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 10 Feb 10 2017 bin/8^Oball < 1507774489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1507774502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff bin/8{,-}ball < 1507774503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1507774536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a literal control-O in the name of that file? < 1507774549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a secret hth < 1507774576 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507774611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/8-ball/8ball "$@" < 1507774611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: mk[x] file//contents < 1507774618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/8-ball//8ball "$@" < 1507774620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/8-ball < 1507774628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball did this work < 1507774628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is decidedly so. < 1507774663 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i prefer that way of avoiding duplication because links have been known to break) < 1507774726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *el* < 1507774727 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autowelcome \ delquote \ delvs \ dontaskdonttelllist \ don'taskdon'ttelllist \ elcome \ hello \ hello-world-in-any-language \ help \ makelist \ makelistlist \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ relcome \ reload \ rwelcome \ tell \ velcome \ velkomin \ velkommen \ welcome \ welcome \ Welcome \ welcöme \ welkom \ wellcome < 1507774741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *el* | grep -v elc < 1507774742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delquote \ delvs \ dontaskdonttelllist \ don'taskdon'ttelllist \ hello \ hello-world-in-any-language \ help \ makelist \ makelistlist \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ reload \ tell \ velkomin \ velkommen \ welkom \ wellcome < 1507774747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1507774765 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess that was about all < 1507774784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks oerjan < 1507774785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oerjan. Thoerjan. < 1507774795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *port* < 1507774796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport \ airport-lookup \ joustreport \ sport < 1507774800 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably what you're remembering < 1507774819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i recall something doing a more advanced attempt < 1507774954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: having been pranked, you've joined the ranks of the pranksters? tdh < 1507775000 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a p good rank < 1507776213 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso idea: int : float :: interface : floaterface, now we just need to work out what a floaterface is < 1507776215 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. so multiset rewriting is essentially just doing register machine operations.. < 1507776335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a floaterface is mostly a generalization of an interface (can represent any interface as long as it's not too large), but also can represent partial interfaces, and becomes approximate in some cases? < 1507776443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to related interfaces to integers < 1507776460 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relate < 1507776476 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think interfaces are usually totally ordered < 1507776482 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be interesting in itself < 1507776627 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watched a youtube video without adblock on. There are "buy now" advertisements directly beneath the video now < 1507776926 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507777002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( interface Foo extends NaN ) < 1507777006 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? italian < 1507777007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507777011 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1507777182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.it < 1507777183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507777313 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: that's just one kind of ad youtube uses. afair it only does that when there isn't a full video ad. < 1507777334 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: /me slaps sleep around a bit with a large bed < 1507777378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i've noticed. < 1507777657 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1507777673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: please write welcome.it twh < 1507778092 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507778186 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507779798 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:89dc:5656:5379:b9ce QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507779982 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507780431 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507780580 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507780862 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507781753 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507782291 0 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:Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1507802205 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1507803778 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507804055 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507804267 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507804541 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507805121 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507808085 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507808525 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507808697 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc2f:2253:89d4:103f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507809498 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507809584 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1507809603 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507811122 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GLACIAL CHICKEN < 1507813332 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507814357 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507816982 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507817255 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507818336 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507819084 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507819175 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507820033 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507820697 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507823141 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc9f:4e79:1fca:233c JOIN :#esoteric < 1507823446 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc9f:4e79:1fca:233c QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507823528 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507825909 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507826238 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507826305 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507826769 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1507826795 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507827063 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507827776 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507828241 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507828833 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507829125 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1507829748 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507829766 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:c5a2:62f1:e111:7fc0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507832019 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507833145 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507833635 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507834895 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507835035 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507835438 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507835510 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507835971 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507836235 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507836634 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507836989 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507837091 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507837264 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507837422 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507838108 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507838533 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-46-195.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507838543 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-54-182.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507838556 0 :Slereah!?@? NICK :Guest95245 < 1507839464 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1507839709 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507839805 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507839844 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507839958 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507840196 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507840390 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507840694 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507840971 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507841029 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507841377 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507842372 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507842699 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507843378 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1507843384 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've mastered SKI calc < 1507843410 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time to transcend existence into the esoteric realm < 1507843440 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? is ski conscidered hard in any way? < 1507843755 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507843760 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, succ = S(K(S(S(K(S))(S(K(K))(S(K)(K))))))(S(S(K(S))(S(K(S(K(S))))(S(K(S))(S(K(K))(S(K(S))(S(K(K))(S(K)(K)))))(S(K(K))(S(K)(K))))))(K(K(S(K)(K))))) < 1507843768 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this does is take a church number and add 1 < 1507843814 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1507843828 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its complicated af < 1507843857 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, yeah, i couldn't write it out freely, but conversion from and to lambda calculus is pretty easy < 1507843884 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm making my language convert lambda calc to SKI < 1507844024 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the existing output wasnt already horrendous < 1507844204 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-168-242.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507844247 0 :Guest95245!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-46-195.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507845760 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wtrjpnisdviwptke JOIN :#esoteric < 1507846305 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507846607 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507847764 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507847783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507847869 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507848236 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507848626 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507848685 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507848862 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507848928 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507848981 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507849075 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507849770 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems overly complicated, hmm < 1507849854 0 :Guest95245!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1507849952 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-168-242.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507850017 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507850249 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507850621 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: how about S (S (K S) K) < 1507850668 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is much smaller than I expected, yay) < 1507850676 0 :Guest95245!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting lambda to SKI is trivial, though the hard part is finding an expression that's short < 1507851348 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507851377 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507851404 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1507851557 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507851882 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507852025 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507852558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507854244 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507854612 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: helloochaf. ysac has corrupted me; I whangjangle my food. < 1507854722 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507854826 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you suck at cooking. < 1507854898 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507854934 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507854968 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507855044 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: according to a panel of reliable sources, apparently not. < 1507855052 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if my dashi is weak.) < 1507855460 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then you cannot whangjangle. you aren't qualified. < 1507855983 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1507856250 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders that, if multiset rewriting corresponds to working with register machines, what does regular set rewriting correspond to? < 1507856487 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machines with 1-bit registers? < 1507856538 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of what I thought. loooooots of registers. :P < 1507856579 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that's still TC, though. I imagine you could form rule 110 with that with some.. effort. < 1507856661 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or build the semantics of a multiset rewriting system on top of that. < 1507856692 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e treat a span of bits as one binary number and use that to represent one register. that'd be hellish. < 1507856716 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A finite number of finite registers still isn't going to be enough on its own. < 1507856742 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507856743 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1507856762 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you just keep expanding the number of possible symbols. < 1507856769 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with a really large alphabet. < 1507857879 0 :danieljabailey!?@? NICK :Danieljabailey < 1507857894 0 :Danieljabailey!?@? NICK :danieljabailey < 1507858191 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507858724 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1507858939 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:e193:f26b:2bfc:4f78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507858946 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507858955 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1507859002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507859151 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: STUMBLING CHICKEN < 1507859203 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeli < 1507859587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how official boily's panel was < 1507863341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ImageMagick not reading XPM format 1 and 2? < 1507863725 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer (just kidding) < 1507864148 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wtrjpnisdviwptke QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507866349 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507867980 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507868266 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507868275 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507871400 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507873195 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507873867 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507874028 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why FRACTRAN hasn't gotten as crazy a following as something like brainfuck. < 1507874055 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to understand prime numbers to use it hth < 1507874066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins evilly < 1507874087 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not.. really. you just have to understand that each prime is a unique symbol and choose your alphabet mapping to each prime carefully < 1507874102 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually the really simple part. the odd part is dealing with pattern matching on registers and shifting values around. < 1507874114 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to design a compiler that will do that kind of thing for you. < 1507874184 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can take any fractran program, look at each fraction, extract the prime factorization of it, convert that into a suitable symbol set (or a set of registers), and build a macro language on top of the resulting (somewhat more legible) rewrite rules. < 1507874208 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've expected that a GoL implementation would have surfaced eventually. kind of surprised that I haven't found one yet. < 1507874593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory accompaniment to today's freefall comic http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time < 1507874718 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a extremely famous article < 1507874776 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes." good wisdom right there. < 1507876212 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if fractran's rules can be unordered. < 1507876258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: oh you didn't see my comment the other day ... they cannot, although i don't remember exactly how the proof went. < 1507876299 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting. I wonder what modifications would be required to make them unordered. probably something akin to a P system. < 1507876314 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the resulting rewrites determine which classes of rules get applied. < 1507876411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need a way to say that a rule won't be applied if it's divisable by something. < 1507876448 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rule dependencies. < 1507876451 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1507876465 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, inverse dependencies.. I guess. < 1507876485 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do this if these primes are present, but if these are, don't." < 1507876500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense, fractran's linear order is the _simplest_ option for that. < 1507876517 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, because you can prioritize rules. < 1507876538 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system#Example_computation this is also an option. < 1507877481 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel fractran. hmm. < 1507877532 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507877643 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507877993 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507878029 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1507878122 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I like about FRACTRAN is that it doesn't seem like a programming language at all. < 1507878135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make the rules slightly more contrived it loses that. < 1507878143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm i suspect the wiki bridge has croaked < 1507878153 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's pretty much just unordered string rewriting. < 1507878157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wewlcome.it < 1507878159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1507878162 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.it < 1507878165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wewlcome.it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507878165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507878173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb!! < 1507878188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure Taneb knows italian < 1507878215 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a bit too sexy language < 1507878245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Ngevd/status/918012736721883137 hth < 1507878285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent modal logic? < 1507878311 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1507878377 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Taneb seems to have aged. shocking. < 1507878981 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1507879716 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507880505 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1507885556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507886857 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507886968 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507887566 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507887570 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d017:59e3:7ff2:e68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507887841 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507888222 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507888408 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507889265 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d017:59e3:7ff2:e68 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507889301 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d017:59e3:7ff2:e68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507889555 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d017:59e3:7ff2:e68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1507891600 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:385d:f9d:b41:d147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507892355 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507893491 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507894487 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507896004 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507896191 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:385d:f9d:b41:d147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507896207 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507896493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1507896499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:kallisti//kallisti is a former prophet swearing off his pastry deity. \ @//@ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour. \ cia//CIA sees it all. \ lens//A lens is just a store comonad coalgebra. \ fourth wisdom//.wisdoms other the all upon builds wisdom fourth The < 1507897454 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DOOR CHICKEN < 1507897586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan It might've been because I had to restart HackEgo. Did the same for the bridge as well, maybe it works now. < 1507897586 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1507898450 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507900118 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-102-251-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507900355 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-102-251-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507900407 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507901177 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507901200 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507902575 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507902988 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, in Greek mythology, is there such a thing as artifact weapon or armor forged by mortals, or do all of them have to be forged by a deity, usually Hēphaistos or Pallas Athēnē? < 1507902989 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, on a point of order, and i regret not having been used to ban tv advertising and indirect advertising. it has not yet put forward any reasoned objections within the 30-day period; secondly, certainty as to the future, within the meaning defined in the treaty. < 1507903150 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longwinded europarl style makes it abundantly clear that fungot cannot form any coherent thought. < 1507903151 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i do not know for how long it will take shape exactly is still to be done to help us determine the real responsibilities of each of these points is new to us on the issue of alcohol, but also for all those who have flouted the rules in relation to the completion of the internal market. < 1507903179 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though arguably that is also true for many politicians) < 1507903244 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507903399 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507904401 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507905118 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507905177 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507905613 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507905802 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507905974 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507906046 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1507906534 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1507907064 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next logical letter would be v of course. < 1507907116 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :abvgd? < 1507907138 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A279619 < 1507907181 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507907303 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWDlaXrJOI4 hmmmm < 1507907328 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ^^ < 1507907331 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical. < 1507907334 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange stuff, but indeed it does include the russian alphabet. < 1507907375 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode абвгд < 1507907376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0430 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A] [U+0431 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BE] [U+0432 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER VE] [U+0433 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE] [U+0434 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DE] < 1507907404 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: use the full alphabet. abvgdeëžzijklmnoprstufhcčšŝʺyʹèûâ < 1507907458 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not the russian alphabet, is it? < 1507907502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: it is, in ISO 9 transcription < 1507907507 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the resemblence < 1507907579 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you want the serbian alphabet, a b v g d đ e ž z i j k l lj m n nj o p r s t ć u f h c č dž š < 1507907587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of the many other alphabets that start with a b v g d < 1507907588 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhuh okay < 1507907613 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. That was exactly what I was going for. < 1507907748 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :abgde is a logical order for an alphabet < 1507907778 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abcde order should have a different name ;-) < 1507907853 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the order is not really logical, more like traditional, inherited from the Phoenicians, and now various variants of it are used by tons of alphabets, sometimes multiple different orders for the same language < 1507907932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ameraval < 1507907933 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ameraval? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507908178 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the battery of my mobile phone not only drains faster but also gets warm if I listen to music all day < 1507908209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not too hot, just warm < 1507908353 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507909454 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507909802 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507910653 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c856:8580:4521:b3bc JOIN :#esoteric < 1507910926 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c856:8580:4521:b3bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507910933 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507911882 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507913745 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507914210 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1507915138 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507915586 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507916481 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507916921 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507917931 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1507918485 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507918504 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507918917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have the file "/usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt" in my computer. Is there another directory it may be under instead? < 1507918995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt < 1507919022 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: these days unix distros put everything in usr that is shared among all machines of all architectures in /usr/share < 1507919039 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and architecture-specific stuff only in /usr/lib and /usr/libexec < 1507919057 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1507919103 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507919116 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it started back when this was used to spare disk space by mounting /usr/share and /usr through NFS, but mounting the same /usr/share on multiple machines, or something, but these days more and more stuff is split to multiple directories according to architectures, mostly so that you can have x86_32 and x86_64 libraries ran on the same machine or something, < 1507919127 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the share split turns out to be very useful. < 1507919166 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that /usr has read-only data that can be shared among multiple machines of the same architecture in first place < 1507919184 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data specific to one machine goes to /var or /etc < 1507919280 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian often patches install directories from upstream packages to conform to these directory structures < 1507919300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most software these days already use the right directories anyway < 1507919342 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most allow overrides via make variables or configure options or something, because GNU encouraged that in the guidelines they sneakily put into the gnu make reference docs < 1507919384 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course in most free software it's easy to modify paths in the source < 1507919436 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I am writing doesn't actually need to find the file anyways, since if it is wanted the user will specify the filename explicitly anyways, but it is helpful to know where it is installed. < 1507919478 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yymgtdgabcfmslwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1507919587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am writing a program to read XPM pictures. I already wrote one to write XPM pictures.) < 1507919608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In both cases, all three formats are implemented.) < 1507919694 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImageMagick supports only format 3, while Netpbm supports only format 1 and 3, it seems, and neither support monochrome mode. < 1507919862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people even still use xbm and xpm pictures for anything? I thought those were formats for icons on machines with little memory and low bitdepth monitors. < 1507919891 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPM2 seems a reasonable format for using with a text editor, at least. < 1507920072 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can also be used including in C programs (except XPM2). < 1507920249 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507921064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Arrows14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53202&oldid=52782 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+31) 10wip < 1507921095 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's working again. < 1507922297 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time they were very useful as a lowest-common-denominator file format. < 1507922307 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who uses it much right now, though. < 1507922469 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah the standard "output an image ad-hoc" format is PBM < 1507922473 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no word of a newIOCCC < 1507922510 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PBM is a bit of an irritating format, though. < 1507922514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As I mentioned, for including in C codes and to be suitable for editing with a text editor. < 1507922522 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *looks* simpler than it is. < 1507922536 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, yes, I know why you'd want to use it. :) I just don't know if anyone does. < 1507922539 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "output an image ad-hoc" I prefer farbfeld. < 1507922576 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for outputting only, PBM is similarly simple. < 1507922594 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I wrote dvipbm before farbfeld was invented, and anyways the printer driver needs PBM.) < 1507922594 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format just has some surprising complexity when reading it. < 1507922599 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comments, for instance) < 1507922618 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is true, for outputting only PBM is simple enough (and supports multi-page, which is needed for using with printing). < 1507922688 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find PNM a bit limiting, so I prefer to write raw images, and send the metadata separately, such as in the command line of ffmpeg or imagemagick < 1507922704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same for reading it < 1507922760 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Why won't you use farbfeld instead then? (ImageMagick does not implement farbfeld, but it ought to! Write a module for it if you want it) < 1507922766 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNM only supports one endianness and it's the wrong one, only supports grayscale or RGB, not other channel configurations, etc < 1507922814 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I intend these Farbfeld Utilities program will including conversion to/from any format, whether common (such as PNG) or obscure (such as XZIP Picture Library format). < 1507922885 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: PAM fixes the channel configuration bit. < 1507922903 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: besides the bit depth (which PNM can hvae multiple), I want to use the exact channel configuration (eg. possibly bgr, bgr0, bgra, rgb, argb, alpha only, yuv444) and interlacing (channels of a pixel together, channels for whole image one after another) that < 1507922909 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the endianness... Bi-endian file formats can fuck off. < 1507922925 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the most convenient for the particular use. a program like ffmpeg or imagemagick can use whatever configuration I want, and handle the conversions itself. < 1507922934 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bother with the conversion myself when they can do it already? < 1507922946 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, you can do that if you wish, too. < 1507922979 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and also padding at the end of lines. < 1507923044 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ffmpeg and imagemagick (imagemagick in any way, as in, command line, high-level C api, C++ api) can do some simple filtering steps that I often want to do right before reading or writing the image, such as cropping or resampling to smaller before write, rotating or flipping before read. < 1507923076 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could also provide a program in Farbfeld Utilities that will support raw non-indexed pictures; I already have a file for raw indexed pictures. Although there is also ff-swizzle. And in the case just of "bgr" or "rgb" simple 8-bits-per-channel, together, you could probably use ff-scanf to do this too (although I have not tried).) < 1507923108 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amuses me that, if you don't mind having a somewhat silly and large output, you can reasonably do uncompressed PNG output pretty easily. < 1507923115 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a simple C++ wrapper that spawns an ffmpeg process to read or write an image or video, and allows a variety of these options, < 1507923120 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's more complex than Farbfeld or PNM, naturally, but it's not that hard) < 1507923132 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only those options that I have needed so far, because ffmpeg has an infinity of useful options, so the simple wrapper won't ever cover it all. < 1507923146 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose you can do that if you like to do (although then, I think, you should need the checksum?) < 1507923157 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, you do need the checksums. < 1507923162 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's two) < 1507923172 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CRC-32 and Adler32 both. < 1507923184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both pretty easy to write, though. < 1507923194 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will freely grant this is not the most useful thing in the world. < 1507923205 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's pretty quick, and easier than using libpng. < 1507923291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farbfeld Utilities "ffpng" program can do that though, with a command such as "ffpng b0 c2 e-1 f0" or such. < 1507923312 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1507923314 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: crc-32? what the heck? < 1507923342 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("b0" disables compression, "c2" specifies RGB, "e-1" forces it to use a single block, and "f0" disables filtering.) < 1507923363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's a standard checksum, and PNG requires it for each chunk. < 1507923373 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know png had that < 1507923400 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adler32 comes into it because the contents of the image chunk(s) are just zlib streams. < 1507923478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know that part < 1507923487 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't know there was an extra checksum < 1507923494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do reader programs actually check that? < 1507923499 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1507923523 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, every *single* chunk in PNG is CRC32'd. < 1507923525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a browser can start displaying the image before having downloaded the whole thing, and usually most of the image is one chunk < 1507923538 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one big chunk < 1507923538 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's more chunks than just image data) < 1507923542 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure < 1507923551 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but they barf if the checksum turns out to have been wrong, generally. < 1507923577 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's reader programs that aren't browsers. < 1507923600 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1507923646 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I mostly just see truncated jpegs on the web, I don't remember having seen a truncated png < 1507924240 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of my programs can work with multi-frame pictures, and generally expect the frames to be arranged in a vertical strip. (Although also a program is provided to convert this if needed.) For formats such as Famicom pattern tables, the reading is automatically like a vertical strip, and can write using a vertical strip as input too even if the height is unknown, because it is the order of the data already. < 1507924284 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some other programs use a horizontal strip instead, although I think vertical strip format is more a more natural format.) < 1507924397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature of XPM that others usually don't have is customizable colours. Also, it can include a monochrome as well as a colour version in the same picture. < 1507924474 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as I know, other formats do not do this, except that the YZIP Picture Library format (not the XZIP format) allows palettes to include optional stipple patterns for use with monochrome display.) < 1507924551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for videos, the important constraints in my program is that (a) the video read and write is streaming, so if I write a long video, then only data for a few dozen frames is held in memory at a time, < 1507924567 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) I don't spawn a program for each video frame, because that's slow. < 1507924582 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is correct, it make sense. < 1507924603 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, my code does two more conveniences, although both are because ffmpeg can already easily do that: < 1507924623 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, I can read or write multiple numbered image files with the same shape instead of a video, < 1507924629 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the draft for the TAVERN picture format allows a picture to have any number of associated palettes, so you could have a different version of the picture (or just a different palette) for composite output, RGB output, monochrome, low resolution vs high resolution, etc.) < 1507924662 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can display image or video in a window instead of writing it to a file (useful because sometimes I want one, sometimes the other in the same program, for debugging) < 1507924676 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1507924725 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ wrapper is needed because the ffmpeg interface is a bit... strange, and there's a lot of stupid workarounds needed, so the wrapper does the ones I've encountered so far < 1507924749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1507924752 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I got the ffmpeg devs to fix a bug or two I encountered in this, which is nice < 1507925163 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell me of other formats that you or someone else might want in Farbfeld Utilities, and/or to possibly contribute the codes for such formats. Currently it does not have many, and some can read only, and some can write only. (Some subformats also are currently not implemented, such as, cannot read bmp with RLE, and cannot use JPEG with 12-bits or arithmetic coding. < 1507925370 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507925390 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? farbfeld < 1507925391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farbfeld? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507925403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a wisdom about this? < 1507925436 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add one if you know what to write about it < 1507925580 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather suspect that farbfeld is not vaporware. < 1507925606 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TwoFiftyFive14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53203 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+1584) 10Created page with "TwoFiftyFive is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:HereToAnnoy]] with only two instructions and limited memory. ==Syntax== ===Instructions=== * Move instruction (<..." < 1507925676 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, it's just niche. < 1507925678 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I can think of, is if there is some way to make the JPEG decoder so that (by user option) it can try to recover some of the quality of the picture if it was encoded with low quality, to make it less "blocky" output. < 1507925681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TwoFiftyFive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53204&oldid=53203 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10minor formatting edit < 1507925685 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn farbfeld//zzo38's Farbfeld utilities is a package of command-line programs (with rather strange command-line syntax) for manipulating images in a specific raw format called farbfeld. It's somewhat underdocumented. http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/home < 1507925688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'farbfeld': zzo38's Farbfeld utilities is a package of command-line programs (with rather strange command-line syntax) for manipulating images in a specific raw format called farbfeld. It's somewhat underdocumented. http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/home < 1507925725 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TwoFiftyFive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53205&oldid=53204 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10another minor formatting edit < 1507925759 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those things is true, that is OK. < 1507925779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Focus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53206&oldid=53200 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10minor formatting edit < 1507925862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you use ffpng to write 8-bit per channel depth images instead of 16-bit channel deep? < 1507925873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53207&oldid=53196 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+67) 10added TwoFiftyFive to contributions list < 1507925932 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It will automatically do that if it can be done losslessly. (You can also explicitly specify by the use of the "c" option.) < 1507925959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, nice, you've developped farbfeld.ui and its documentation a lot since I've last seen it < 1507925991 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but I don't know how to reduce an image to 8 bit per channle depth easily first < 1507926002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the c option < 1507926039 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c sets the color space and then the bit depth. nice < 1507926050 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To reduce the image first, use "ff-poster 8", if you need to do that. < 1507926060 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me < 1507926087 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since farbfeld format doesn't use premultiplied alpha, is there a program to turn all fully transparent pixels to black? < 1507926093 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to transparent black I mean < 1507926113 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to save space when writing in an image format that also doesn't use premultiplied alpha, such as png < 1507926128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, although you are right, it can be a good idea. < 1507926155 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be an option in ffpng too of course < 1507926190 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just make it a separate program I think < 1507926242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, but note that you may have to do this after reducing bit depth for a true color (non-indexed) image < 1507926254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's two extra steps for a 8-bit per channel deep png < 1507926276 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it would be useful in ffpng < 1507926293 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make it a separate program, then offer a transparency value cutoff parameter too < 1507926310 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will add a cutoff parameter (zero by default). < 1507926324 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1507926371 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't add an option to ffpng, then at least write about the correct pipeline for 8-bit per channel rgb with alpha in the docs of ffpng < 1507926404 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK I will do that (the wiki is editable by everyone though, so you can also write about it if you want to do so) < 1507926634 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I added "ff-transopt" program which does that. < 1507926716 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, and now I added that note to the documentation of ffpng, too. < 1507927033 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1507927116 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507927751 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507927919 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507929118 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I decreased the memory usage of a program by a factor of ten thousand < 1507929147 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously used 49 gigabytes, now uses 5.4 kilobytes < 1507929155 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, megabytes < 1507929174 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid ps outputting < 1507929217 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507929221 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1507929237 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507929271 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that it's possible to write the traditional call-with-current-continuation function in "fake Lua". < 1507929285 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK, how is that? < 1507929300 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, it's almost valid Lua code, but it does something illegal. < 1507929306 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see if I can write it out here. < 1507929386 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :function call_cc(callback, arg) local result; function curr_cont(r) result = r; goto finish end; result = callback(curr_cont, arg); ::finish:: return result end < 1507929416 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the "arg" bit is unnecessary, but kinda convenient. < 1507929478 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not legal Lua because you can't jump from an inner function into a label defined in the outer function. < 1507929540 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and actually I think once I have suggested to add "goto" into JavaScript and to allow it to work like that in order to make up such thing, by making a kind of "evasive exceptions". < 1507929856 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess Lua has two forms of "stack-subverting" control flow. < 1507929866 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions and coroutines. < 1507930281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the syntax for HSV colour codes in XPM file? The document just says that it is not implemented. < 1507930377 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue. < 1507930773 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507930814 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1507930822 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507931401 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507931675 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507933750 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1507933797 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1507934010 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1507934054 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :shikhin_shikhin_ < 1507934225 0 :shikhin_shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin__nihkihs < 1507934425 0 :shikhin__nihkihs!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1507935775 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507935841 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507935851 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507935889 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading https://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas and lol on "four loop" < 1507936248 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507936309 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507936702 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507936886 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507937172 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507937217 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name of the theoerm that it's possible to write comments in any sane programming language that's expressive enough? < 1507937472 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507938259 0 :Guest95245!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's a language that only accepts non-alphabetic characters < 1507938561 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language, or the comment language? < 1507938698 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1507938808 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-fold < 1507938808 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 11h 27m 2s ago: It might've been because I had to restart HackEgo. Did the same for the bridge as well, maybe it works now. < 1507938833 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the command that reduces your messages < 1507939106 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh it's been a long time since i looked at my stackoverflow tab, there's a favorite edit from jan '16 i hadn't seen < 1507939153 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, helloochaf. < 1507939192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there programming languages where a team of programmers have to enter the program quickly on a guitar hero controller? < 1507939223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reputation and responses get notices if i'm on PPCG, but not favorites. < 1507939250 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, for favourites, you have to check your favourites tab in the profile. those don't send messages. < 1507939274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: and it's separate for each stackexchange site < 1507939296 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. < 1507939333 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. maybe you can write a third-party program to handle this. stackexchange has reasonably well documented apis for most things, except the chat. < 1507940149 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you want to handle multiple SE sites, it gets slow even with a third-part app, because most of the apis access only one site < 1507940158 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the data dumps are per site too < 1507940258 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multiple sites does occur. I now have posts on 27 SE sites, not counting site metas and area 51. < 1507940268 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one post on many of them, but still. < 1507940340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just registered on five, anyhow. just checked and the only thing on the rest was a couple of rep notices < 1507940360 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm registered to many more. Registration to additional sites is practically free. < 1507940367 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a registration itself doesn't mean much. < 1507940410 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on how many of those five sites do you actually have a question or answer or some other significant contribution? < 1507940653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :four of them - the only site where i registered solely to upvote something is super user < 1507940670 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that site had solutions to several problems i've had with windows. < 1507940680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never asked a question anywhere. < 1507940697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1507940744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe i'm on code review solely because of an answer migrated from stackoverflow. < 1507940753 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507940789 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I have a question on Chemistry SE but I never asked a question there < 1507940805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :migrations are fun < 1507940845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other sites i could have registered on to upvote something, like the russian stackexchange. but i've been too lazy. < 1507940879 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... it's had unified logins for quite long, so registering on an additional site is trivial if you're < 1507940885 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :already registered on one < 1507940903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure. i've just not bothered to do it just to vote. < 1507940919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should upvote that one. < 1507941026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a word in the lyrics to Moscow Nights that i couldn't find on wiktionary and the top google hit was a stackexchange question about it.) < 1507941134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh looked it up, the site _is_ in russian so i had to use google translate to understand it. still worth it. < 1507941166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://rus.stackexchange.com/questions/32668/%D0%A7%D1%82%D0%BE-%D1%82%D1%8B-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%88%D1%8C-%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%83-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8F < 1507941206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep but that makes registration rather awkward < 1507941373 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eor < 1507941375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941375 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? accumulator < 1507941376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accumulator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ior < 1507941377 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ior? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941408 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xoer < 1507941409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xoer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941409 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xor < 1507941410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xor is just addition of nimbers. < 1507941421 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? or < 1507941422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is an Intercal unary operator. < 1507941438 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aor < 1507941439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941447 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oor < 1507941448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941449 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? uor < 1507941450 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941457 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nor < 1507941458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507941466 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/?or < 1507941467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/xor < 1507941546 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn eor//"eor" is Old English for "xor". < 1507941549 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507941549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'eor': "eor" is Old English for "xor". < 1507941551 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn ior//"ior" is Old English for "or". < 1507941553 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ior': "ior" is Old English for "or". < 1507941707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer by behemothus is fascinating, even if google translate doesn't make it _entirely_ understandable. < 1507941721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it involves dialect and soviet politics) < 1507941747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally upvoted it, anyway. < 1507942096 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eeyore < 1507942097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeyore? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1507942171 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SPLIT CHICKEN < 1507942212 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507943920 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507944284 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507944448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1507944448 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 132353Z 30009KT 4SM HZ SCT020 20/09 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP181 T02000089 10222 20161 56009 < 1507944451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO < 1507944452 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 132356Z 28018KT 7SM SCT047 19/04 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP183 T01890044 10228 20161 56006 < 1507944891 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1507946103 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.187 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1507946800 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507947805 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1507948103 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1507950182 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1507956658 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-065-239-254.088.065.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1507956695 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-011-192.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1507956748 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-192.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1507956754 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1507960507 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507960785 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507960923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh google search has broken the arrow keys again < 1507960991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't they been broken a long time? < 1507960994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what do you mean? < 1507961040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's varied < 1507961059 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot even scroll down the page with the touchpad < 1507961079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the scrollbar works < 1507961090 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507961216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that broken. < 1507961289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now google doesn't load at all hmph < 1507961412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that google is not the party to put the blame on hth < 1507961530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1507961544 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow found what he was searching for, anyway < 1507962606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.stixoi.info/stixoi.php?info=Lyrics&act=details&song_id=4597) < 1507962652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty good for only remembering that the norwegian translation mentioned sponges < 1507964155 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yymgtdgabcfmslwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1507964822 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1507967669 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1507968234 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507968416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1507969906 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1507971480 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1507972262 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507977667 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507977937 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1507978473 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507980891 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1507982503 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507986020 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1507988227 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1507988354 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is phasing \\ as the maple leaves tumble \\ neither here nor there < 1507988810 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot will return at the beginning of the controller' upkeep? < 1507989113 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranges and reds and \\ some greens flash against the chill \\ when will fizzie be? < 1507989170 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. I'm too young to ever have experienced phasing live. all I know is that it was a bother. < 1507989337 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it wrong anyway < 1507989376 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it already happens in the untap step) < 1507989476 0 :Guest95245!?@? NICK :Slereah < 1507989610 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now I'm wondering whether there was such a thing when I last played, hmm < 1507989799 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1507990210 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so, it's just one of those details that hardly ever matters < 1507990505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and there are 372 stickers, I think that approach would take longer. < 1507990511 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc < 1507990648 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is about solving a gigaminx) < 1507990952 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1507991735 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507991839 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats the fungot < 1507991840 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: madam president, let me just take up a little time to consult these committees and subsequently to implement a research policy that truly serves development needs. close association of the municipality where i live, it regularly happens that whole crews are given the chance to find a subject which is not as strong as possible. < 1507991875 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes the fungot < 1507991875 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: of course i hope sooner rather than later. i commend this report to make charges recoverable through the social security systems with the prospect of long-term success in the form of a free society to demonstrate. but clearly the weather and time of year and in the future. < 1507992025 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1507992037 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1507992294 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: OFFICE CHICKEN < 1507998073 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1507998219 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: \o < 1507998243 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai o/ < 1507998819 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, why does firefox need a screenshots feature... < 1507998827 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I really need a new browser. < 1508000815 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508003647 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:e193:f26b:2bfc:4f78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508004287 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508004970 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: Oh no, default quit message? D: (Either I'm lazy or something bad happened) < 1508005014 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508005546 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508005908 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508006972 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508007497 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508009023 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508009163 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508009172 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508009196 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508010124 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508011969 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8414:7036:95:4b91:d68:e559 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508014959 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4a8:3f5b:c83c:e21c JOIN :#esoteric < 1508015169 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4a8:3f5b:c83c:e21c QUIT :Client Quit < 1508015510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played GURPS game. The GM had previously said that "Absolute Timing" is a worthless trait to have, but I told him he is wrong and this time, I showed that it is useful. I opened a door that led outside, and since I have Absolute Timing, I know what time it is, and can tell that the time by the sun is the same time that I believe it is, so that I can know it isn't a fake! < 1508015624 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( or a very good fake ) < 1508015655 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also only be useful if you're worried about reality being faked < 1508015666 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it could be that too. I did think of that, but I think it probably isn't a fake (but, of course, we have to be vigilance just in case, of anything!) < 1508015668 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not too common < 1508015699 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you do absolute timing < 1508015704 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work with time zones < 1508015753 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have other uses too, such as if you are resting, or have a spell or something else with a known duration, and want to know exactly when it is expiring or some such. < 1508015767 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had a watch though < 1508015797 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, let's play twin paradox with two people having absolute timing.... < 1508015817 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what happens if you go back in time < 1508015823 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time are you aware of < 1508015872 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine with time zones, according to the rules. It works fine if you sleep. However, if you are knocked unconscious, it might take some time to recover knowing what time it is, but once you are no longer unconscious you should at least know how much time has elapsed since you have recovered from unconsciousness. For time travel, there is another version of that trait, called "Chronolocation". < 1508015889 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chronolocation does work even in case of time travel, twin paradox, and anything else! < 1508015900 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do recall that there's a whole GURPS book about time travel < 1508015912 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course there's GURPS Bunnies and Burrows < 1508015915 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best one < 1508016027 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time dilation is possible in GURPS too (if you do a lot of space travel, perhaps). Even the core book has "Jumper (Time)" for time travel. < 1508016075 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:8414:7036:29c3:10d2:4f1c:1c9d JOIN :#esoteric < 1508016253 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8414:7036:95:4b91:d68:e559 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508016342 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:476f:dbc7:181a:d670:6eaf:edc1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508016364 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumper (Time) is presumably for true time travel, although there is no modifier listed for if you cannot go back further than when it is "anchored" to. < 1508016444 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am much into general relativity and there's a shitload of papers on quantum computing with closed timelike curves lately < 1508016453 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made an esoland for that yet < 1508016453 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:8414:7036:29c3:10d2:4f1c:1c9d QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508016525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I don't know, although I think there is a few esolangs that involve some time travel. < 1508016543 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not necessarily based on such paper. If you know more about it, invent a better one! < 1508016628 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:476f:dbc7:181a:d670:6eaf:edc1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508016648 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mb < 1508016659 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting < 1508016740 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though since you have to check the values of states ahead in time, I'm guessing that it may be slow/impossible < 1508016763 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you'd have to unroll the entire program in advance before running it < 1508016792 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially bad since they're quantum states, so you can't assume discrete values < 1508016818 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c042:64c6:3d1f:49b6:eb7:c183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508017024 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :although classical computing with closed timelike curves might be doable < 1508017133 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there's the whole Cauchy problem issue, which is what the quantum version is nice for < 1508017133 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1508017445 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the simplest way to do this would be to add an instruction to load and store values from registers at different times of the program's life < 1508018413 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: i might have znc now :D < 1508018489 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508018637 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :ATMunn[away] < 1508018642 0 :ATMunn[away]!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1508019432 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508019968 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c042:64c6:3d1f:49b6:eb7:c183 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508021572 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdc3u707l4uyiy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508022106 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508022147 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1508022153 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1508023155 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508023882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508024299 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508024517 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508024884 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508027238 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508027245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:lemon//A lemon is a melon whose spelling is bad. \ lkoen//LKoen vivait en haut de la Tour Eiffel, mais il s'est préfixé d'un L et s'est envolé. \ shapr//shapr is anonymouse. \ steprans//A Steprans variable is a variable whose notation is variable. \ elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end < 1508027246 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508027246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron. < 1508027442 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508028386 0 :Remavas!?@? NICK :Remavas-might-cr < 1508028396 0 :Remavas-might-cr!?@? NICK :Rem-crashable < 1508028409 0 :augur!~augur@github.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508028535 0 :Rem-crashable!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1508029009 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508029068 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@d103-74.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508029368 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508029384 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@d103-74.icpnet.pl QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1508029622 0 :jaboja64!?@? NICK :jaboja < 1508031769 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1508032178 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HOLSTER CHICKEN < 1508032663 0 :augur!~augur@github.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508032700 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508032963 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508032978 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508033954 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2601:644:1:f780:69d2:982f:14be:827b JOIN :#esoteric < 1508034941 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508035094 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2601:644:1:f780:69d2:982f:14be:827b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508035832 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a XPM decoder too. It supports all three formats, including monochrome and grey mode, and symbolic colour overrides. < 1508035915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike Netpbm, which supports only format 1 and 3, and ImageMagick, which supports only format 3, and neither of them support monochrome, grey and symbolic.) < 1508036314 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does hardly any XPM reading program do it properly? < 1508036479 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508037401 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not sure. < 1508037415 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the best format ever, but it's not like it's hard to find out about this. < 1508037733 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508037937 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is not the best format ever (I think no format is really the "best format ever"; different formats have different advantages and disadvantages for different uses) < 1508037983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell me if you think my implementation is done properly. < 1508038584 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508038607 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In these encoders/decoders, and also filters, some things are missing, but also some things which is the things that the other program does not do, as far as I know. < 1508038864 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-127-101.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508038887 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-51-11.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508040023 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508040609 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508041124 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508041251 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508041292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: why you no web < 1508041356 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508041457 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508041463 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508041745 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508041960 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508042312 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ogajqakvuumxocfm JOIN :#esoteric < 1508045859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508045873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508046313 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-127-101.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508046323 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-127-101.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508046346 0 :Slereah!?@? NICK :Guest20151 < 1508047456 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508048102 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508049271 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508049741 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508049793 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508050397 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.114 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508051758 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508051948 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508051964 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508052179 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508052897 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508053013 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508055094 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1508055862 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508056568 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1508056586 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Afternooneb < 1508056596 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time shachaf < 1508056597 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Sun Oct 15 00:36:37 2017 < 1508056612 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's afternoon for either of us < 1508056617 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's mornineb. < 1508056932 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd certainly seem so < 1508059128 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's extremely late afternoon for me < 1508059139 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:18 < 1508062090 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508062570 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508063284 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ogajqakvuumxocfm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508063416 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508064156 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508066247 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508066950 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508067058 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508067065 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1508067499 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:7553:4b65:5dc7:b423 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508067794 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:7553:4b65:5dc7:b423 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508068014 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508072278 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508072634 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508074499 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508074708 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508076014 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508076033 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508076050 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508076796 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1508078502 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1924@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508083135 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508083185 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508083718 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-108-128.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508083827 0 :Guest20151!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-127-101.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508084078 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508086489 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6082:3d35:4496:6a2b JOIN :#esoteric < 1508086950 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508087011 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508087655 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1924@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.36 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1508088211 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-143-61.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508088413 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FOUNDATION CHICKEN < 1508088559 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-143-61.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508088902 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-143-61.pool.telenor.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508089032 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@netacc-gpn-7-143-61.pool.telenor.hu QUIT :Client Quit < 1508092594 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found something less automated than the manual comics rss feed you've got going on here < 1508092697 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a "The Official Random Funny Comic Strip Thread" on alternatehistory.com where people post from their favorite comics when they're updated < 1508093860 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508094129 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508094235 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508094527 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508094721 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:7553:4b65:5dc7:b423 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508094982 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:7553:4b65:5dc7:b423 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508095188 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508095408 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday the GM of this GURPS game told me that one meaning of the word "vampire" is simply blood eating, although I did not believe him, and earlier today I looked it up in dictionary, and in fact, he is wrong. Although it does list a vampire bat as one possible meaning, as well as a stage trapdoor to effect disappearances, which I did not know before I looked at it today. < 1508095437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, this dictionary is also a bit old) < 1508095492 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they were thinking of the adjective "vampiric" < 1508095515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe. < 1508095685 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we know that they're not a semantic lexalist http://specgram.com/CLIII.1/07.snodgrass.lexicalist.html < 1508095750 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will read it < 1508095774 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is 100% a joke) < 1508095789 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I will read it anyways < 1508096227 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I called it anti-lexicalism is because they seem to have expected the meaning of -ic adjectives to be formed by directly applying the meaning of the noun, and so the meaning of the adjective would tell you that the noun also had that meaning < 1508096335 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, now I know < 1508096371 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I might be being to opaque < 1508096374 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1508096702 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within the context of roleplaying, vampire itself may be an adjective as in D&D's Vampire Rose < 1508096753 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is related to the GURPS game because he try to say if my character and his friend is a "vampire", but that is only because he is using the words to mean something else. (Didn't they say in some of Carroll's story, they use a word to mean how they intended it to mean?) (O, and I did not know that "Vampire Rose" either, but I suppose yes you can have that.) < 1508096820 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508096888 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how is D&D's Vampire Rose, but I don't think that is what is in use here, this is GURPS game instead. < 1508096921 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do yours characters drink blood? < 1508096942 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1508096980 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of thinks are they? < 1508096986 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things < 1508097004 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind, I suppose. < 1508097042 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean are they humanoid? humans? sentient shades of blue? < 1508097076 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is blood drinking obligatory or optional? < 1508097142 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is humanoid, and also scales, feathers, sharp long beak, some eyes, antennas. And, it is obligatory if you do not want to starve to death. < 1508097155 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But other than that, nobody forces you to.) < 1508097185 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And four fingers instead of five, more than two eye but most are smaller) < 1508097192 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(O, and wings, for flying) < 1508097224 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the consequences if your character are "vampires"? < 1508097264 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you clarify your question? < 1508097310 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will the gm change about the game our your characters if they call them vampires? < 1508097350 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nothing. Calling them vampires doesn't make them so, it is just a kind of words you use. < 1508097369 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He would just be using different words, which I suppose can cause some confusion sometimes.) < 1508097395 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the issue is that the share non of the other prototypical proprties of a vampire < 1508097459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than Night Vision 5 (which dwarves also share), and SM 0 (which humans and all other human-sized characters share), yes. < 1508097522 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is their species name? < 1508097558 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1508097595 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another non-vampire vampire) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_ground_finch < 1508097652 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course such things can exist and can include "vampire" together with other words, it is in use. < 1508097656 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is OK < 1508097856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508097922 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I don't know/I don't remember/ < 1508098281 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pursued by betentacled Martians loyal to the Spanish! < 1508098300 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that? < 1508098378 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a new game called "Jamestown" on steam. It's got an awesome setting < 1508098833 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer this GURPS game rather than Dungeons&Dragons game, the GURPS is more scientific, and GURPS has no class (instead, you can just select whatever combinations of the skills you want to do) < 1508099397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is prefer to fight by shield and his friend is prefer to fight by whip and crossbow. And, the human character, Bob, is prefer to fight by sword. < 1508099633 0 :augur!~augur@162.217.73.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508099815 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a bear trap in Rogue? I did not see any bear < 1508099818 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508099889 0 :augur!~augur@162.217.73.146 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508099931 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is because the traps worked < 1508099952 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, I suppose that is the case. And then they never bothered to remove the trap afterward < 1508099960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just in case there are more bears) < 1508099972 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a commentary on the folly of overhunting and habitat destruction < 1508099999 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose that, too < 1508100181 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this GURPS better that it has no class? < 1508100247 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is excellent that they have achieved a classless society < 1508100408 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you play that or Dungeons&Dragons game, or what role playing game you have played? < 1508100540 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the wizard password in Rogue? < 1508100797 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I was in the bathtub < 1508101063 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508101121 0 :Guest20151!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-23-160.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508101150 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-108-128.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508101298 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508101546 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508102221 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508102508 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-184-152.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508102599 0 :Guest20151!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-23-160.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508102879 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508102884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:mate//Mate is a southern hemisphere shamanist beverage that opens your inner self to the Sacred World. Its enlightened users become friendly, wishing “G'day, mate!” to one another. \ lie algebra//A Lie algebra is what you get if you take the region infinitesimally close to the identity of a Lie group and blow it up to normal size. \ la < 1508102885 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508102885 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ughed//They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. They're not laughing now! \ hexchat//Hexchat is a variant of Smalltalk invented in Hexham. \ xyzzy//Nothing happens. < 1508103398 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508105032 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-184-152.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508105059 0 :Guest20151!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-144-219.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508106945 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508107027 0 :Guest20151!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-144-219.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508108632 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508109631 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508110230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508110755 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1508110756 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 152233Z 23018KT 3SM RA FEW017 BKN035 OVC050 21/18 A2941 RMK SF1SC7SC1 SF TR WND ESTD PRESRR SLP961 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1508111289 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508111495 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jusssst had a great idea: a concatanative language with (.)(.) (.Y.) (@)(@) and so on as operators < 1508111525 0 :augur!~augur@208.66.31.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508111597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perversoteric programming. < 1508111631 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -FIi gonad wisdom/* < 1508111639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/gonad:gonads are the best punctional fondlegramming squishcture. < 1508111818 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1508111873 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508111931 0 :ATMunn_!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508112002 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1508112019 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508112061 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508112075 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1508112083 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508112099 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508112542 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1508112552 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508112698 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508112708 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508113639 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1508113649 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508113733 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they could be outfix operators < 1508113897 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1508114385 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508114738 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508114753 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ISOCELES CHICKEN < 1508114892 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So today I learned that all esoteric languages are actually dialects of Tamil < 1508114937 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops I mean dialects of தமிழ் < 1508115893 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialects of box box box box? < 1508115944 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode த < 1508115945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0BA4 TAMIL LETTER TA] < 1508115967 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode மி < 1508115967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0BAE TAMIL LETTER MA] [U+0BBF TAMIL VOWEL SIGN I] < 1508115994 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ழ் < 1508115995 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0BB4 TAMIL LETTER LLLA] [U+0BCD TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA] < 1508116697 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508117259 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6082:3d35:4496:6a2b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508118032 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508118908 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508120731 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508121630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508124693 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508124772 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-065-239-254.088.065.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508124974 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a indexed colour picture where each pixel is stored as the index of that colour XOR the index of the colour of the pixel above, and then with RLE, is there a better way to figure out the optimal order of the palette than just by trying each one (which is going to be a lot of possibilities)? < 1508125708 0 :augur!~augur@104-13-209-43.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508125917 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508126435 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508126607 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508127494 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/app/643270 good game < 1508127875 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508129182 0 :augur!~augur@104-13-209-43.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508130403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53208 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+1012) 10created idea < 1508130565 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53209&oldid=53207 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+69) 10tables < 1508131187 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508131727 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508131728 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508131822 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508131981 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508132135 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1508132976 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508133162 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1508133255 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508133565 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508133711 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1508133805 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508133849 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508135026 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508135704 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508137213 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508137342 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1508138667 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508138693 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-indvoolkbgstbbtb QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508138734 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kbmhjyzvuksmuopw QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508138801 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsltenertbbomjpw JOIN :#esoteric < 1508138802 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiwkxeehbvqlbegf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508138817 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508138819 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-allbexztktvtrwjy JOIN :#esoteric < 1508138833 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508138847 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508138962 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@rosaelefanten.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508140759 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508141569 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1508142474 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:b4a3:26f8:3955:a3ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1508143025 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508145985 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1508152326 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508153688 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508154473 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508156779 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MIGRAINE CHICKEN < 1508158019 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508159371 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508161012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, just looked at the sun by mistake, I'm not used to the sky being like this < 1508161123 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it's very dim in this weather < 1508161435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1508161435 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 161220Z AUTO 20016G28KT 9999 NCD 21/15 Q1014 < 1508161443 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So warm. < 1508161482 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO < 1508161482 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 161156Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 14/06 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01390061 10189 20133 58002 < 1508161491 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables, turned < 1508161503 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1508161594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGBB < 1508161594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGBB 161220Z 18012G22KT 9999 SCT024 19/15 Q1010 < 1508161614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're predicting 40mph winds here in Birmingham for a few hours as the edge of the extratropical storm passes < 1508161631 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think London's going to see much of that. < 1508161653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1508161654 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 161153Z 00000KT 10SM FEW012 11/07 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP196 T01060067 10178 20089 56004 < 1508161658 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, you're further south < 1508161686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas further west and north they'll get much more of the brunt of the storm < 1508161687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The local weather issue here was air quality, not temperature. < 1508161704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that and the fires, a little further north. < 1508161723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even here the air quality index was worse than Beijing. < 1508161768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the reason the sun's so dim at the moment is that the hurricane picked up a subset of the sahara desert (the subset in question is small compared to the sahara desert but large in an absolute sense) < 1508161817 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a measurable subset? < 1508161853 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably yes in the mathematical sense and no in the practical sense < 1508162245 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a null subset? < 1508162269 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508162291 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no < 1508162300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it wouldn't have much of an impact on the sun's color < 1508162301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people would describe a null subset as "large in an absolute sense" < 1508162326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the sky here in Birmingham is weird at the moment; blue and normal in one direction, bizarrely yellow in another < 1508162352 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less disconcerting than when it was solid yellow, because at least there's some normality somewhere, but it's still disturbing < 1508162355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did people come up with any esoteric financial instruments yet? < 1508162360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp exo < 1508162367 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508162368 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1508162380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn exoteric < 1508162382 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "exoteric" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1508162382 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :exoteric < 1508162382 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: suitable for the general public; "writings of an exoteric < 1508162382 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : nature" [ant: {esoteric}] < 1508162384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn esotic < 1508162385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "esotic". < 1508162430 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508162432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a good word. < 1508162461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: many existing financial instruments are weird enough that it's hard to know how an esoinstrument would be different < 1508162487 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, usually they exist to accomplish some purpose. < 1508162499 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose sometimes the purpose is obfuscation. < 1508162513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of weird instruments do you have in mind? < 1508162941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on them, I've just seen other people discuss them (which means that I can hardly remember any details like names) < 1508163153 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508163583 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for testing this program I'm writing at work it'd be useful to have a collision in bits 32-64 of an SHA-256 hash; is that a small enough range to practically brute force, and if so, what algorithm should I use? < 1508163588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 32-63 < 1508163756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 32-bit collision? Are there any other constraints? < 1508163863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :constraints on the forms of the string I'm colliding < 1508163871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, known prefix + known suffix and alphabetical characters in between < 1508163878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like brute force would be easy enough? < 1508163881 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assume that if I'm bruteforcing this the form of the strings doesn't really matter < 1508163892 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sounds like brute force should work < 1508163921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do a clever thing but I doubt it's worth the trouble. < 1508163921 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the form of strings shouldn't matter, unless it's such that they're hard to generate or there are too few of them, because those bits of SHA-256 are random < 1508163932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What prefix and suffix do you want? < 1508163939 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can't do a clever thing, because SHA-256 is a good digest < 1508163948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I use a hash table to store an index from hashes to strings, then keep hashing strings until I find a collision < 1508163959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that, yes < 1508163960 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be O(2**16) by the birthday paradox, right? < 1508163963 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1508163974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I meant the birthday thing. < 1508163987 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that big-O notation doesn't work like that) < 1508164005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment, I'll try a one-liner with perl and Digest < 1508164011 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all that clever. I guess 32 bits is enough that it's worth it. < 1508164035 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not 100% sure on the form of the prefix and suffix offhand < 1508164208 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I have an algorithm, though, I can work it out < 1508164242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if it's fast enough (and 64K seems fast enough), I could put it in the testsuite so that it finds a new collision in case changes to the details of hashing cause the old one to stop working < 1508164345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzzz)) { $s=qq(GET /$x HTTP/1.1); $d=substr(sha256($s),4,4); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$s}; exit 0; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(none found); < 1508164347 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision: 14243f9b (GET /brqn HTTP/1.1) () < 1508164351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1508164362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzzz)) { $s=qq(GET /$x HTTP/1.1); $d=substr(sha256($s),4,4); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$d}; exit 0; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(none found); < 1508164363 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision: 14243f9b (GET /brqn HTTP/1.1) (GET /adwd HTTP/1.1) < 1508164366 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1508164370 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1508164419 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does `perl not handle single quotes? or are you just being overcautious with your character set? < 1508164427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly seems to run fast enough, at least < 1508164452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate it might be worth going for a collision in bits 0-64, which is /also/ a special case but much less likely to happen nonmaliciously < 1508164454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm using q() to enter one-liners on command-line in windows. single quotes would work too, but I don't like that because that doesn't work on posix shell. < 1508164479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows uses double quotes to escape, I think < 1508164485 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so the single quotes go through literally < 1508164525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit collision is still possible to brute force without GPU or parallelism or anything fancy like that, but too slow for HackEgo, I think. < 1508164532 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would need 2**32 tries. < 1508164538 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1508164551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a scale that's very sensitive to the complexity of the operations you're performing < 1508164556 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1508164573 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzzzz)) { $s=qq(GET /$x HTTP/1.1); $d=substr(sha256($s),2,6); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$d}; exit 0; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(none found); < 1508164590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 bits of collision might already be too much for HackEgo < 1508164592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would need slightly more than that, right? < 1508164605 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that 1.2 * sqrt(n) was a better approximation. < 1508164607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, that's just order of magnitude < 1508164612 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's random anyway < 1508164621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right. < 1508164627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2 * sqrt(n) was only for a 50% chance < 1508164710 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see: with n values tested, you have n(n+1)/2 possible collisions; and if you repeatedly roll independent 1/x chances, the number of tries you need for a 50% chance of success IIRC approximates as n*ln(2) < 1508164717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -E say ln(2) < 1508164718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined subroutine &main::ln called at -e line 1. < 1508164720 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -E say log(2) < 1508164721 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.693147180559945 < 1508164727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that looks like the right number < 1508164738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can approximate n(n+1) as n² pretty easily < 1508164756 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n²×2÷ln(2) < 1508164760 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -E say log(2)*2 < 1508164761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.38629436111989 < 1508164772 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on this approximation it's more like 1.4 < 1508164855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a lecture where someone derived it once but I don't remember the details now. < 1508164859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to sleep, it's almost 7. < 1508164890 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: US west coast? < 1508164911 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to derive it < 1508164912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reently there's been enough news coming from the US (and I know enough Americans online) that I added a couple of commonly used US timezones to the clock on this laptop < 1508164928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it's UTC, London, Washington DC, and Los Angeles < 1508165031 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1508165085 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you're doing these attacks on a larger scale you can also be clever and use less memory. < 1508165087 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just subtract 6 hours for east coast or 9 hours for west coast. It's not always accurate because of DST stuff, but good enough approximation when I don't want to look up the exact timezones for a location on timeanddate.com < 1508165093 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract form the local time that is < 1508165116 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and more parallelism too < 1508165133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't obvious because you still need a hash table or something < 1508165133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ctcp b_jonas time < 1508165134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ctcp: not found < 1508165137 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1508165150 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the Paris time zone < 1508165174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'd figured that out mathematically when ctcp wasn't helping < 1508165193 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we argued on this channel what that timezone is best called, when I said I call it Europe/Paris because it's the biggest city in this timezone, and other people argued it might not be so < 1508165197 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure if Hungary was far enough east to be in +2 in winter and +3 in summer (rather than +1 in winter and +2 in summer, like Paris) < 1508165217 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it switches to that at Romania < 1508165316 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Greece and Bulgaria < 1508165340 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Finland too < 1508165343 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget that < 1508165366 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are about the only places that use that timezone < 1508165397 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508165445 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, actually the three Baltic states are using it too, and possibly Ukraine < 1508165516 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a lot of places I guess. < 1508165668 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I really recommend timeanddate.com for this stuff, when you want more than just guesstimates in your head. It's a well-made site, and the nice part is that the maintainer reacts to my emails. < 1508165771 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, looks like the prefix and suffix I need is actually just the null string < 1508165774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that makes things a lot simpler < 1508165834 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, there's a salt < 1508165838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzzz)) { $s=$x; $d=substr(sha256($s),4,4); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$d}; exit 0; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(none found); < 1508165839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision: 1a7d5bb0 (bloh) (hlx) < 1508165867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should be, I'm not sure this code is actually using it < 1508165912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I looked at that bit of the code! < 1508166865 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 40-bit collision: cthex, bdllm < 1508166881 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going significantly beyond this seems unviable in Perl, it uses too much memory < 1508166890 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try switching to Rust < 1508166899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or borrowing a more powerful computer from the university < 1508167330 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usually, SHA-256 operates on integers with 32 bits (u32). This implementation uses one double (f64) for each bit of each integer, thereby allowing to use 8 fuzzy input bits for each input byte." ← looks like crates.io has some fairly esoteric libraries… < 1508167370 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508167458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an idea, and does a web search for "hqwj ever" < 1508167540 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one relevant result but it doesn't contain a generalisation to 64 bits < 1508167553 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* "hgwj ever" < 1508167565 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed it correctly first time in the search box < 1508167585 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fairly problematic for this that "ever" is a real word :-( < 1508167601 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a better algorithm? < 1508167627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, thinking about this, a > 2**32 attempt birthday collision is likely to use more memory than this computer has unless the algorithm is very optimized wrt memory use < 1508167682 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if using a database for this would make sense? < 1508167779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems people have algorithms that don't require you to store every input and hash. < 1508167795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1508167816 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obvious improvement in terms of memory usage is to just store the hash, then once you have the second input, go back to the start and brute force a preimage < 1508167822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you found it once already so you can find it again < 1508167834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I know why "Pollard's rho algorithm" is called that I think the name is pretty silly. < 1508167987 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rainbow table trick should also be applicable (iterate the hash, but only remember those values whose lower k bits are 0, for some chosen k) < 1508168061 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in this case, unless we convert the input to be alphabetical between the iterations < 1508168078 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like it might be fairly slow? it's a clever trick, though < 1508168095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert the input to be alphabeticaal? < 1508168100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, you could actually do this in constant memory < 1508168108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the tortoise-and-hare algorithm for finding a cycle in a linked list < 1508168152 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you repeatedly do the following: truncated-hash the input, convert the truncated hash into a new input of the required form < 1508168169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a chain of truncated hashes which has to repeat eventually (because there are only finitely many possibilities for the truncated hash) < 1508168191 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can even swap the order of the two operations for smaller (probably) intermediate results < 1508168192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the name "rho" comes from. Because a linked list with a cycle in it looks like ρ < 1508168197 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you use a cycle detection algorithm (possible in O(1) memory) to find the cycle, and at that point, working "backwards" from the point of the cycle gives you a collision < 1508168215 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's ridiculous :-P < 1508168224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1508168272 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very visual < 1508168450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hard to parallelize, though. < 1508168466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently people have more tricks for that. < 1508168472 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's trivial, just start from n random values < 1508168477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I'm not sure this works; you can detect the cycle in O(1) memory but you don't learn the point at which the cycle joins the main sequence < 1508168558 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you'd need to nkow < 1508168559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know < 1508168669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need extra values; once you find a collision do another full loop of the cycle to work out how large it is, and track what distance you've gone to work out where you are on the cycle, letting you work out the point it converges < 1508168676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just start from the start and stop at the appropriate point < 1508168848 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can do it if you remember the starting value; the starting value, the tortoise, and the hare will be evenly spaced when the cycle is detected, so just iterate from the starting value and the tortoise synchronously until they become equal. Though perhaps there are cheaper ways of doing it. < 1508168887 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not thinking very well right now. I should go to sleep. < 1508168893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, I think that's what my approach would simplify to if I actually did the maths? < 1508168895 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do it < 1508168898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here's a paper discussing it: http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~paulv/papers/JoC97.pdf < 1508168959 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my guess is that the speedup from starting with n random points is almost perfect (as an estimate, (n+1)/2 with n threads) < 1508168997 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by speedup I mean expected speedup, since everything here is probabilistic.) < 1508169058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a different version that I was thinking of, which uses that rainbow trick. < 1508169097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha256(015e2c85)=45faea71c83c8f73bbee1d07c4b2c3428b0c1b537aa964dd5492cb936d268184 < 1508169099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not that tricky there either. < 1508169104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha256(da90efdd)=45faea71f8e5a5698d74dacf7a7cfeaf7e1d771d14f51cc064a2778b836e0051 < 1508169114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like this algo works for the small (32-bit) test case < 1508169129 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -MDigest::SHA=sha256 -E 'sub i{unpack"H*",substr sha256(shift),0,4}$t=$h="a";do{$h=i(i($h));$t=i($t)}while($h ne $t);$h="a";say $t;do{$lh=$h;$lt=$t;$h=i($h);$t=i($t)}while($h ne $t);say $lh;say $lt;say $h;say $t' < 1508169132 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6a71fd18 \ da90efdd \ 015e2c85 \ 45faea71 \ 45faea71 < 1508169143 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I seem to be wrong, since the paper says that the speedup is only O(sqrt(n)) < 1508169202 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you expecting better than O(sqrt(n))? < 1508169220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean for parallelizing. < 1508169241 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my analogy is flawed < 1508169399 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I just found a collision on a 48-bit prefix, and it only took marginally over twice as long as on a 40-bit prefix < 1508169403 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just an utter fluke? < 1508169434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0005a3be7429 against b0390e13d757, for those people who are interested < 1508169474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you measuring time or number of hashes? < 1508169478 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realtime < 1508169484 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't expect startup cost to be significant < 1508169491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~15 seconds compared to ~30 seconds < 1508169529 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luck? < 1508169549 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so, it's about a 1% chance I think < 1508169562 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those happen occasionally but it's still surprising when they do < 1508169632 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why only 1%? < 1508169663 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the times should differ by a factor of 256 < 1508169667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually differed by a factor of 2 < 1508169674 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result is a factor of 100 away from what's expected < 1508169737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a factor of 16? < 1508169754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thinking must be jumbled right now. < 1508169760 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, of course < 1508169763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me who's confused < 1508169766 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll go to sleep. It's already light out. :-( < 1508169767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1508169782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more like a 12% chance. Less surprising. < 1508169789 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should still sleep. < 1508169963 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508170007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This distinguished point trick is pretty good. < 1508170030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to bed! < 1508170753 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the rainbow table trick < 1508170784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1508170956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1508171031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bun-alert syntax is back! < 1508171070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1102 < 1508171071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1102: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1508171073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzzz)) { $s=$x; $d=substr(sha256($s),0,4); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$d}; exit 0; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(none found); < 1508171075 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision: 63212655 (hgwj) (ever) < 1508171078 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508171101 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e use Digest::SHA q(sha256); for $x (q(a)..q(zzzz), q(A)..q(ZZZZ)) { $s=$x; $d=substr(sha256($s),0,4); if (exists$d{$d}) { printf qq(collision: %s (%s) (%s)\n), unpack(q(H*),$d), $s, $d{$d}; } $d{$d}=$s; } die qq(all done); < 1508171131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all done at -e line 1. \ collision: 63212655 (hgwj) (ever) \ collision: 14202469 (ioaw) (ehks) \ collision: 5e6655a3 (isvc) (gfub) \ collision: 62bd0444 (jcgu) (ifoz) \ collision: dbdda724 (jyen) (ifph) \ collision: 3fbea896 (keer) (bmeq) \ collision: 2932fabe (mcdt) (akcg) \ collision: ee6816e2 (mlgl) (dmyo) \ collision: 82952ecc (nmbm) (apqi) \ c < 1508171158 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" an obvious improvement in terms of memory usage is to just store the hash, then < 1508171208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how exactly does an eventual repetition give you a collision? < 1508171225 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508171299 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem with an iterative algorithm like that is that it's not parallelizable. whereas with a hash table, you can probably parallelize it to 32 threads without too much of a loss. < 1508171319 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a quadratic gain from using 32 threads and a shared hash table. < 1508171389 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be like 256 times faster than one thread < 1508171392 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1508171395 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 times faster < 1508171400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 16 threads might be more realistic < 1508171628 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508172119 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the math is wrong. otherwise you'd get a speedup from interleaving 32 such threads on a single processor... < 1508172330 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In this approach, the number of samples you need in order to find a collision is basically unchanged by the parallelization; the only speedup you get is from generating those samples faster. You'll also consume memory much faster, which is why the distinguished point trick is so brilliant, because it saves memory essentially for free.) < 1508173030 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm... yes, you're right < 1508173052 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only 32 such threads < 1508173105 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, you're consume memory faster, but eventually you'll need essentially the same amount of memory for single-threaded than multi-threaded < 1508173351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only linear speedup then < 1508173360 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still should be worth < 1508173846 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508174359 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1508174524 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D268.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508176201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:14] for x in ["ccf506fc58ee23", "843c7fa058d321"]]' < 1508176201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['a522d3c3f644a5', 'a522d3c3f644a5'] < 1508176272 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else can do 64 bits, I guess. < 1508177642 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1508177723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is here to do 64 bits? < 1508177930 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1508178207 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508178582 0 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508178670 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:b4a3:26f8:3955:a3ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508179092 0 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508179125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508179221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I could be wrong here, but I figure it's more efficient to store the original value (or a truncation of it) in the hash table and recompute the full digest each time two hash table entries are at the same place, than to store the digest and try to search again for the originla string. < 1508179238 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is from a mental calculation that could be wrong. < 1508179329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For searchging for a 64-bit collision, I'd try to get time on a machine with 32 gigabytes of RAM (which isn't too rare these days), allocate a hash table of 30 gigabytes size or something, with 2**33 entries and 4 bytes of the input in each entry. < 1508179352 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably a machine with fast RAM. < 1508179401 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ideally compute digest quickly with GPU or something, so you get the digests as fast as you can access the main RAM. < 1508179416 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just multiple cpu threads might be fast enough for that. < 1508179789 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Why do all that instead of using the distinguished point trick? < 1508179996 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's the "distinguished point trick"? < 1508180134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You repeatedly feed the output of the hash back into itself until you get a "distinguished" hash (e.g. where the first 16 bits are 0). Then you just store the distinguished hashes and which hashes led to them. < 1508180164 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two hashes end up at the same distinguished hash, you go through the chain and find where they connect. < 1508180178 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm < 1508180184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not explaining it very well but you can read the paper I linked to above. < 1508180190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep but now it's too late to sleep. < 1508180200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I don't sleep I'll regret it. And if I do sleep I'll regret it. < 1508180209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well does that parallelize? < 1508180230 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might work I guess < 1508180233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paper I linked is about parallelizing it. < 1508180247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it works pretty well if you use a central store for the distinguished points, and your chains are long enough. < 1508180269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~paulv/papers/JoC97.pdf is this the paper? < 1508180275 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1508180286 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1508180293 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this trick always sounds like black magic < 1508180344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's black about this magic? < 1508180372 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at the diagram, it's pretty simple when it's pointed out. < 1508180393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need to feed the output of the hash back into the hash, I guess. < 1508180429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you do, I don't know. < 1508180497 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at https://pdaian.com/blog/collision-finding-the-maxwell-way/ now < 1508180511 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand the trick now < 1508180579 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I know that Maxwell < 1508180640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's hardly his way, it's an old trick. < 1508180648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how you find the first entry of the sequence that collides < 1508180666 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find one repetition in the sequence easily, but that's not enoguh < 1508180677 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see! < 1508180700 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you have two short chains that end up at the same distinguished point, you can just scan through them. < 1508180722 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you store milestones to break the sequence to shorter part, and use the milestones to find the approxmiate first collision < 1508180751 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then recompute and store the elements in the segments where the first collision must be < 1508180771 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1508180780 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which needs only on the order of magnitude of 2**16 entries, not 2**32, for a 2**64 collision, although there's a higher constant factor < 1508180783 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1508180799 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you never run out of memory < 1508180808 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice trick < 1508180811 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higher constant factor? < 1508180900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you don't actually use 2**16 times less memory, only like 2**12 times less or something < 1508180925 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1508180932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do with fewer milestones < 1508180933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1508180942 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you actually need even less than 2**16 entries < 1508180945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1508180950 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need 2**16 milestones < 1508180952 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1508181026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, thank you for telling about this rho trick < 1508181047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had heard of it about prime factoring, but I don't think I realized it's useful for crypto collision finding like this < 1508181169 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508181812 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@rosaelefanten.org QUIT :Changing host < 1508181812 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux JOIN :#esoteric < 1508182238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo guys hav u herd? < 1508182271 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFS is supposedly going to SSTO for testing < 1508182284 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9409:5791:18ec:23bf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508182396 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made another container format, which is GLOGG container, similar to Ogg but I avoided what I considered are the problems with it, without making it so much more complicated like many other formats are. < 1508182549 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem with Ogg seems how you might not be able to avoid losing data when mixing or separating streams, and how programs might not be able to do this at all if any streams are unrecognized; GLOGG includes the necessary information in "control pages" to allow them to be separated and combined even if some of them are unrecognized. < 1508182619 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another thing the control page does is to identify the codec by given a UUID, as well as support alternate streams (for languages and such), and relations between streams.) < 1508182627 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508182696 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508182709 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the checksum has been reduced to 16-bits in order to reduce the amount of overhead.) < 1508182729 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508182746 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508183192 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508183210 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508183985 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508184665 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D092.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508184749 0 :Remavas-3!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508184874 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D268.versanet.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508184962 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508185863 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you think of this, please? < 1508187173 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@196.185.75.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508187699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["5fc2544f27bc209e", "aeaefd69151cba80"]]' < 1508187700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['6eeafe59946b43c3', '6eeafe59946b43c3'] < 1508188333 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D092.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508188471 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9409:5791:18ec:23bf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508189273 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@173-8-158-238-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508190796 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508192316 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508194104 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508194479 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508194549 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1508194744 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508194808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 `` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["5fc2544f27bc209e", "aeaefd69151cba80"]]' < 1508194808 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1508194973 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@196.185.75.98 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508195219 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508195225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:html//HTML is short for "hope this mess loads". \ arabic//.scihpylgoreiH sa drah sa ton hguoht ,troppus stnof ekam ot drah yrev si taht egaugnal citimes lartnec a si cibarA \ obvious//Obvious, adj.: A postulate used to prove a wide variety of theorems too arduous to prove by other means. In American Sign Language, it is denoted by a vigor < 1508195236 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508195343 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508195344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ous waving of the hands. \ sgdq//SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity ever summer, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/ \ restaurant//A restaurant is a type of transactional resource-distributing system powered by lazy evaluation. < 1508195599 0 :Remavas-3!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508196205 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508197520 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COUNTING CHICKEN < 1508197899 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508198209 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508198305 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@173-8-158-238-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508198385 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :babble: I wonder what kinds of binary trees you could generate from repeatedly factoring a given number. < 1508198937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508199175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: self-multiplying ones hth < 1508199657 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqikumzanmcnvokf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508199821 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what'cha mean. < 1508200608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mourns at the pun crashing flat to the ground < 1508201137 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Evilinator < 1508201241 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, freefall lead me to reread http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time < 1508201248 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :led even < 1508201487 0 :Evilinator!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1508201549 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508201816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i linked that here after the previous comic < 1508201889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the robots wouldn't let kornada work there, anyway < 1508202112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah you may recall that I'm always lagging one comic behind on FF. < 1508202160 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't see the link < 1508202176 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, and good night) < 1508202941 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508203138 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508203205 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508204608 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508204619 0 :griajiiw!~oxiha@50.28.130.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508204619 0 :griajiiw!~oxiha@50.28.130.186 PART #esoteric : < 1508204883 0 :acheacepo!~pecheji@50.28.130.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508204884 0 :acheacepo!~pecheji@50.28.130.186 PART #esoteric : < 1508205161 0 :kiswe!~frochosk@50.28.130.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508205161 0 :kiswe!~frochosk@50.28.130.186 PART #esoteric : < 1508207708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Connecticut is a US state named in recognition of its extremely unstable communication networks. < 1508207752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be something else unstable here < 1508207758 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes HackEgo  < 1508207796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wiki is up < 1508207804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1508207827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo hi < 1508207827 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo hi"]} < 1508207827 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :target:#esoteric rest:"hi" < 1508207936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HackEgo seems a bit stuck < 1508207948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1508207948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1508207950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1508207952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1508207962 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's truly broken it. < 1508208011 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing new in the web repository < 1508208039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1508208047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help ls < 1508208099 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of those permission shenanigans < 1508208383 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1508208444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch canary https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/canary < 1508208458 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1508208526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1508208535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/echo hi < 1508208546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looks bad < 1508208553 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1508208556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1508208558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1508208595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1508208639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should check the logs < 1508208671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs were mostly about hash collisions. < 1508208677 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["5fc2544f27bc209e", "aeaefd69151cba80"]]' < 1508208680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant for HackEgo commands < 1508208695 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the last one was a boily `n < 1508208708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic boily < 1508208726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i suspect that's unlikely to break things. < 1508208811 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the old days when HackEgo didn't even have `n? < 1508208818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53210&oldid=51353 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10Testing HackEgo link < 1508208846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so hard to dig up wisdoms in snow uphill both ways < 1508208902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _just_ the sandbox, since `fetch didn't work < 1508208935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch canary https://esolangs.org/ < 1508208960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps the repository locking is at fault < 1508208994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1508209029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may have do undo that one later, if it suddenly gets through < 1508209035 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1508209035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1508209051 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1508209073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch tmp/test https://esolangs.org/ < 1508209078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1508209091 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even supposed to lock, is it? < 1508209112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, it may do because it was exempted from the run-twice thing < 1508209141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch /bin/sh https://esolangs.org/ < 1508209144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1508209308 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know Edwin Brady was one of the Whitespace people? < 1508209462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i recall < 1508209522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we've got a page on him < 1508209725 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be possible to use Ogg codecs with GLOGG without a problem, if you have the UUID to identify the codec. < 1508209764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm. < 1508209880 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a possibility that a JPEG decoder can have an option to try to recover the fractional parts of rounded data in order to achieve a better quality output than the input picture? < 1508209907 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's a stuck umlbox process. They're supposed to have limits, I don't know why that's stuck. I remember this happening some time before as well, though. < 1508209917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508209945 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it say what command it is running? < 1508209951 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's running a hash collision search. < 1508209956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1508209966 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: YOU WERE RIGHT < 1508209972 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEHOW < 1508209983 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in Perl. < 1508209984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess b_jonas continued in private < 1508209993 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, there were several in the logs < 1508210012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since boily did a successful `n after those, i thought they couldn't be the culprit < 1508210053 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's in fact about a dozen umlbox processes, so I guess it manages to fill up some sort of a limit. < 1508210109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1508210113 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1508210114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another world: /bin/sh < 1508210115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1508210116 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['6eeafe59946b43c3', '6eeafe59946b43c3'] < 1508210123 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-10-17 02:15:12 URL:https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page [18485] -> "tmp/test" [1] < 1508210124 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1508210125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: Permission denied < 1508210126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`ls? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1508210127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1508210128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'connecticut': Connecticut is a US state named in recognition of its extremely unstable communication networks. < 1508210129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: Permission denied < 1508210130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom < 1508210131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1508210139 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open the floodgates. < 1508210157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1508210201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 11226 < 1508210203 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file wisdom/ior < 1508210275 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm tmp/test < 1508210276 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1508210319 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508210336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary < 1508210337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​---------- 1 5000 0 0 Apr 17 19:17 canary < 1508210370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of ruins the file's purpose, although these days a `rm probably times out before reaching it anyway < 1508210428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` yacc < 1508210428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/bison: -y: missing operand \ Try '/usr/bin/bison --help' for more information. < 1508211397 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508211696 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1508211767 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1508212297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508212599 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when c++ supports unicode I will make a namespace called std and have std::string in it < 1508212662 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the standard does, not universally implemented though < 1508213084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["8b9540f8208243d4", "745ecd23d5c46df7"]]' < 1508213085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['348cead2547ec7b4', '348cead2547ec7b4'] < 1508213445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508213606 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508218379 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508223392 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508223537 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508223733 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1508224050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53211&oldid=53208 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+3335) 10Added Specification 0000 < 1508224297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53212&oldid=53211 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+82) 10Grammatical and table fix < 1508224432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53213&oldid=53201 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+20) 10/* T */ - added TwoFiftyFive to list < 1508224555 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TwoFiftyFive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53214&oldid=53205 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+0) 10256 things in 0,1,2,3,...,255, not 255 things < 1508225649 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508225841 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508228691 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508229229 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1508229482 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508229834 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508230012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: *POOF* < 1508230088 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508233226 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqikumzanmcnvokf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508233403 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1508233413 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508238838 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5473:31b8:f908:c6f JOIN :#esoteric < 1508239136 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508239877 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, my process stuck? < 1508239904 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps x < 1508239983 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to see another sandbox's process in ps. < 1508240066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508240281 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why didn't the process get killed after a minute or something? < 1508240340 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't laugh, when you run multiple commands in buubot or perlbot, you can ps or kill the processes for the other commands < 1508240362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not ps actually < 1508240365 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can kill them < 1508240383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't ps but you can kill? How does that work? < 1508240441 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the commands are running with ulimit of no new file descriptors < 1508240448 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no new processes < 1508240452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't open /proc or ps < 1508240459 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kill still works < 1508240498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of scow. < 1508240506 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it no longer does that < 1508240510 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that they changed it < 1508240512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1508240523 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure it let me kill back when buubot was alive (lots of years ago) < 1508240565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just guess the pid? < 1508240590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I just kill every process < 1508240600 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in a separate uid so they won't kill the bot < 1508240611 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in fact < 1508240627 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the anagolf evaluator handle this? < 1508240638 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has a proper sandbox < 1508240648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, perlbot seems to have changed, it doesn't allow this easy exploit < 1508240652 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to work harder to break it < 1508241369 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, how are you in the UK? I hear there was a hurricane or something. < 1508241913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which sounds rather impossible, by the way.) < 1508241951 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Ophelia_(2017) < 1508242004 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me feel less safe when some crazy impossible random meteorological stuff happens < 1508242988 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banana < 1508243082 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who maintains the HackEgo nowadays again? < 1508243089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one hth < 1508243110 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. nobody. < 1508243124 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least fungot is here < 1508243125 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, there are key sectors, such as tourism and nuclear energy. this, in fact, i am surprised because that emphasis denotes fnord of this kind were called into question and, as far as possible, that the rules we currently have in telephony to the provision and use of additives in tobacco products which may make the directive a large number of member states were not prepared to take the kind of violence we see < 1508243162 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you lead us to HackEgo's body? can we reanimate it? < 1508243162 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: madam president, first of all have to be referred back to committee. what is important is to see how that fnord out. agenda 2000 and the ensuing reactions. the european union has a key role to play at being teacher, to coin a phrase, in english, and political freedoms. < 1508243184 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must fnord out. < 1508243199 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TRICK CHICKEN < 1508243218 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508243225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you didn't coin nothin' < 1508243226 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to other automobile industries. we need to have regard to this dossier. this is why i wholeheartedly concur with those of the commission, and not for personal reasons, concerning content, which again prove the need for people carrying out activities before the date of december 1998 cannot be adhered to, because one of the most critical sectors for the vienna european coun < 1508243439 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, what precaution could a humanoid dungeon adventurer use to pass through a banana peel trap, when he does percieve it, but it's in a one-tile wide corridor so he can't go around, and doesn't want to spend time disarming it. < 1508243466 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess flight or a flying steed could work. < 1508244067 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508244445 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know why it got stuck -- it's *supposed* to have a timeout, and conventional infinite loops have managed to. < 1508244483 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Anyway, the reason why it's broken this time is the *other* bug, not the sandbox one -- the 'socat' process it uses to talk to IRC is again consuming 100% of CPU apparently doing nothing. < 1508244495 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might sometimes get triggered if it gets disconnected from the server. < 1508244506 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe I could attach a gdb to it just for funs. < 1508244521 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bash: gdb: command not found" < 1508244526 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, maybe it's not that important. < 1508244596 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508244612 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1508244613 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1508244733 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah. I understand, my irc bot is unmaintained for years too, and has mysterious bugs where it doesn't notice that the IRC server disconnected. the whole thing is ripe for rewriting, "when I have time". < 1508244755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably eventually rewrite it to some overengineered second system monstrosity. < 1508244760 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually. < 1508244863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really consider HackEgo "my bot", even though I guess I'm the closest thing it has to a maintainer. < 1508244880 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying you're maintaining it < 1508244890 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying I understand how irc bots end up unmaintained < 1508244899 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really maintaining my irc bots either < 1508244912 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if Eggdrop's still around. < 1508244925 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the whole server running the bot should have been reinstalled like twice already < 1508244965 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eggdrop is the oldest Internet Relay Chat (IRC) bot still in active development", last stable release "13 Aug 2017". Huh, looks that way. < 1508246611 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508246651 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508246733 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1508246750 0 :Slereah!?@? NICK :Guest26185 < 1508247294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Today Daniel Bernstein posted about that paper at https://blog.cr.yp.to/20171017-collisions.html < 1508247298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny timing. < 1508247530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ☝ < 1508248920 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :harsh < 1508250071 0 :Guest26185!?@? NICK :Slereah < 1508251408 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508255930 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508258421 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508258429 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508259893 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508260414 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508265155 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508266153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508266526 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508266917 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxdkgxozbqhmezsb JOIN :#esoteric < 1508270358 0 :SuperNerd!4072df89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.114.223.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508270370 0 :SuperNerd!4072df89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.114.223.137 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508271710 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody have that proof that shows FRACTRAN as non-TC if it's executed out-of-order/maximally/nondeterministically? < 1508272032 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :SHIKHIN < 1508272085 0 :SHIKHIN!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1508272237 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it. but i < 1508272252 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think thats true? < 1508272271 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ais or oerjan mentioned it. < 1508272322 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais523 was saying that you could write programs in such a way that they enforced the order of execution < 1508272340 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wasnt there for everythimg that was said < 1508272343 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, by using flag registers. < 1508272556 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 2017-10-11 17:50:16 oerjan (note that evaulation order in Fractran doesn't matter for TCness; you can write programs so that only one rule at a time ever applies) <-- istr we found out that was false at some point. < 1508272626 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone had a counterexample? < 1508272671 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/5wK3 a reasonably full snippet. < 1508273256 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1508273288 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe the nondeterministic version can compute all total computations? < 1508273342 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs. < 1508273667 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508273880 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508274109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53215&oldid=53212 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-124) 10minor spec fix < 1508274128 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508274854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53216&oldid=53215 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+132) 10spec fix #2 < 1508274899 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53217&oldid=52980 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+395) 10started Tables inplementation < 1508276285 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508276436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to decode terminal gibberish < 1508276438 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0000000}��pS�Cý41?/⎽┘▮0 ␋┼ ␌⎺┼├␊│├ ⎺° ␍␋⎽┘▮1C⎺└└▒┼␍ ␊│␋├␊␍ ┬␋├␤ ┼⎺┼-≥␊⎼⎺ ⎽├▒├┤⎽ 1 < 1508276553 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know a way to decode the above line? < 1508276569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was output by a partially functional program < 1508276892 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1508276973 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if I redirect it to a file it doesn't get screwed up < 1508276985 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but catting the file screws up my terminal < 1508277006 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have weird control codes in it < 1508277014 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1508277075 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the coded line is an error message of the form fprintf(stderr,"%s is invalid" or something < 1508277096 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the part that got %s contains something strange < 1508277302 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish i could disable whatever escape it is that switches this < 1508277771 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0000000}<86>pSC^N<98>4朱Կ/sj_0 in context of disj_1Command exited with non-zero status 1 < 1508277928 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :control N! < 1508279152 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508279285 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508280337 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508281989 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508282055 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5473:31b8:f908:c6f QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1508282059 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508282949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508285183 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508285457 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508285743 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxdkgxozbqhmezsb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508285794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53218&oldid=53216 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-39) 10Terminate instruction unnecessary < 1508286019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53219&oldid=53218 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+54) 10 < 1508286497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53220&oldid=53219 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+35) 10example fix < 1508286532 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508288251 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508288294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of jumbled bytes suddenly appeared in an otherwise ok file < 1508288335 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking this might be my first time witnessing real data corruption < 1508288430 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :}<86>pSC^N<98>4朱Կ/ appears in one file and not the other. they are supposed to be identical < 1508288485 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm overwriting the corrupted one with the good one < 1508290694 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfndlhxhbwbfogii JOIN :#esoteric < 1508290935 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508291662 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508291739 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508291908 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo. < 1508291953 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508292344 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508292818 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508292820 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508294326 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DOZEN CHICKEN < 1508294498 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :an update from earlier, a P System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system) is similar to fractran and it emphasizes nondeterministic rule application, only with the idea of permeable membranes in place. < 1508294516 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the difference between a "permeable membrane" and a flag register. < 1508294532 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would fractran be non-TC with nondeterministic rule application? < 1508295047 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508295325 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508297833 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508297917 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508297932 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508300191 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508300327 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508303682 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508306120 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e0e3:5a5d:6eb5:c032 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508306917 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:543b:d335:9532:3d92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508308501 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508310451 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6AcH-jch1M < 1508311018 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508311277 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508311728 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508314481 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508315701 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508316078 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508317470 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508317491 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508318727 0 :puck1pedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508318733 0 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508318735 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508318915 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508318915 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1508318915 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508318917 0 :diginet_!?@? NICK :diginet < 1508319127 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508319221 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1508319221 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1508319221 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1508319941 0 :potato44!3b65efe6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.101.239.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508320329 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any actual paradox that's fundamentally different from the liar's paradox? < 1508320666 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfndlhxhbwbfogii QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508320816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"paradox" isn't a very good word. < 1508321080 0 :potato44!3b65efe6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.101.239.230 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1508321083 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any actual encyclopedia that's fundamentally different from the liar's encyclopedia? < 1508323301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508324684 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox < 1508324697 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a paradox, but there's no logical contradiction at all. < 1508324799 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but it goes against the intuitive way of thinking < 1508324807 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence < 1508324809 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradox < 1508324834 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. It's an answer to izabera's question; any instance of the liar's paradox would involve a logical contradiction. < 1508324858 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1508324899 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom of choice gets a bad rap but frankly the negation of the axiom of choice is even worse < 1508324904 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer int-e < 1508325176 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the axiom of choice. The idea that the so called "real numbers" have any representation in physics is the underlying fallacy to my mind. < 1508325327 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can try do work without the reals, but good luck < 1508325410 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't. You just have to admit that you're building *models* or reality, and often surprisingly accurate ones at that. < 1508325431 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reality/the physical world/ < 1508325434 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that's what physics is for < 1508325436 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it exists :P) < 1508325475 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to < 1508325603 0 :puck1pedia!?@? NICK :puckipedia < 1508325608 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a full book of axiomatizing physics with geometrical axioms < 1508325613 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the worst idea of all times < 1508325670 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about pizza and milk < 1508325704 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else would you dip your pizza < 1508326156 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is possible to do quantum computing with discrete path integrals < 1508326160 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be interesting < 1508326637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508327739 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508328661 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508328848 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508329342 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CARBURETOR CHICKEN < 1508330802 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508330833 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508332440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Oh, I have a paradox for you. < 1508332503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you agree to be an apprentice until your 21st birthday, but you were born on Feb 29, you'll have to stay an apprentice until you're 84. < 1508333042 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lame paradox! < 1508333252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people would go so far as to call it "a most ingenious paradox". < 1508334151 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508334240 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508334656 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508335834 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508338036 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508339158 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508340388 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508340815 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508341400 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508342774 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508343365 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508344248 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.6.225.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508345795 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508346526 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.6.225.179 QUIT :Quit: See Ya. < 1508346932 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lol < 1508347178 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a potential legal problem < 1508347205 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's not what shachaf is getting at < 1508347327 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(German law doesn't count birthdays, it counts years since birth. If you're born on February 29th, each year will end on a February 28th, so from that perspective the next day your birthday, alternating between March 1st and February 29th.) < 1508347362 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some verb < 1508348241 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it define a year though < 1508348312 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By date. It takes the calendar for granted in this context, hmm. < 1508348421 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the interval between two identical dates is 1 year if it's not the 29th, and otherwise that? < 1508348435 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: so the interesting case here is that the day a year after a February 29th is the last day of February. This is also applicable for the date 1 month after August 31st, for example. < 1508348506 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extreme case being the day 1 month after January 31st; it'll also be the last day of February. In particular 1 month after one month after some day may be different from 2 months after the same day. Fun. < 1508349038 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontario law is clear that February 29's anniversary happens on February 28 on a non-leap year < 1508349058 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules on months are similar < 1508349272 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same in german law, it's just that for legal age, the anniversary isn't relevant; it's the completion of n years starting at the birth date that matter. < 1508349459 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law will have phrases like "after completion of the 18th year of life" < 1508350488 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508351317 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508351860 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508351888 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508352788 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508352801 0 :rottytooth!~Mutter@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508352822 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508352911 0 :[ATMunn]!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508352948 0 :rottytooth!~Mutter@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Client Quit < 1508352979 0 :danieltemkin!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508353111 0 :danieltemkin!?@? NICK :rottytooth < 1508355098 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508355114 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508356774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508359087 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508359192 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508361764 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ◯ < 1508361770 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+25EF LARGE CIRCLE] < 1508361841 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508362807 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508362975 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508362988 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508363451 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508363857 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508363871 0 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508363962 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508364079 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508364093 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508364288 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1508364810 0 :quintopi1!?@? NICK :quintopia < 1508364828 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1508364828 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1508364835 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508365143 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I was making a new offsite backup disk, and turns out I've encrypted the previous one. Which makes sense (can never be too careful with those esolangs.org backups), but I've no idea about what sort of passphrase would unlock it. < 1508365183 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does not bode well if I ever actually need to restore something from those backups. < 1508365217 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should do another backup < 1508365231 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you are ok < 1508365238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now, yes. < 1508365256 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But chances are I'll manage to forget about how I encrypted the new one I'm making, as well. < 1508365898 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508366657 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need a backup plan for your backup plan < 1508366771 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me that I have no clue what my project euler password is anymore :P < 1508366791 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be saving me a lot of trouble < 1508368327 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508368439 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508368445 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:bdsmreclist//* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits \ prography//Prography is the art of turning computational algorithms into something totally incomprehensible to anyone whose brain isn't made of silicon and arsenic. \ double dactyl//Curious spurious juvenile poetry that is supposedly tr < 1508368446 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508368447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:icky to write, but its obsession with sesquipedality makes double dactyls quite gaudy and trite. \ peer//Peer Gynt is a famous Norwegian troll. His reviews are in high demand, but nowadays he amuses himself by resetting people's irc connections and torrenting his own files. \ earth//Topologically speaking, the Earth has been a coffee mug ev < 1508368448 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508368449 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:er since that hole to China was dug. < 1508368489 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1508368513 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned yesterday about the ridiculousness of quebecois curse words < 1508368546 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508368561 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack so many capital letters < 1508368570 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't ridiculous. they are categorical! you can compose them any way you want ^^ < 1508368585 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with most curse words < 1508368599 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most places don't curse by listing props used in communion < 1508368638 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds charm and tradition! < 1508368691 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it promotes precise vocabulary, diction and personal expression! < 1508368705 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's conjugable! < 1508368904 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjugable tabaridiculousnakess < 1508368975 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1508370074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508371070 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508371348 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508371437 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508371693 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508372615 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508373045 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508373084 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508373145 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508373321 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slightly mapoles hppavilion[1] < 1508373324 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508373409 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invokes Newton's Third Law and slightly mapoles boily with equal magnitude in the opposite direction < 1508374497 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508374787 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508375356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1508375548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508375701 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508375867 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53221&oldid=53217 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+1051) 10finished /* Tables */ < 1508375942 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508375976 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53222&oldid=53213 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+39) 10/* T */ added Tables to language list < 1508376258 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HereToAnnoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53223&oldid=53209 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-15) 10i'm dumb < 1508376618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53224&oldid=52797 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+443) 10/* Cheating Quines */ - added Tables example < 1508376678 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508376691 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Some people would go so far as to call it "a most ingenious paradox". <-- is this a quote from a relevant poem < 1508376700 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: from a relevant play < 1508376705 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1508376854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Revolution 914]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53225 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+199) 10Created page with "==STOP MAKING BRAINFUCK CLONES== Please stop making [[brainfuck]] clones.
Especially bad ones.
--~~~~" < 1508377161 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508377200 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508377650 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1508377700 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508378233 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508378425 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508378889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But chances are I'll manage to forget about how I encrypted the new one I'm making, as well. <-- this might be a rare case where writing it down is the best option hth < 1508378938 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. walls aren't passable in the labyrinth. < 1508379161 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter machines are beautiful. < 1508379289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: i remembered how to do the proof. how much math do you know? i can do it short with compactness, or more long-winded without < 1508379322 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your choice! long-winded would be nice as I could study it and prompt you with questions in bulk rather than bug you randomly. :P < 1508379358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the "compactness" is a technical math term, just so you know. < 1508379363 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm digging into equivalent models and I see that it's rooted in counter machines, inspired by Minsky, Melzak and Lambek. < 1508379437 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ENFORCE CHICKEN < 1508379442 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot me the proof. < 1508379514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok first the common part. let's say you have a non-deterministic fractran program which simulates an ordinary one (so the result, and whether it halts, is unique). < 1508379548 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and you could do that with extensive use of flag registers. < 1508379561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you cannot. that's what we're proving. < 1508379568 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. continue. < 1508379644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now assume one instance of the computation runs through a sequence of numbers n_1, n_2, ... etc. < 1508379692 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let p_1, p_2, ..., p_k be the primes used. split up each number n_i into a tuple of exponents, one coordinate for each prime. < 1508379721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the computation is now a sequence of elements of N^k < 1508379744 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I follow. < 1508379804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, and this is what can be proved two ways: for any such sequence there must exist two indices i and j>i such that every coordinate of t_i is smaller than the corresponding coordinate of t_j. < 1508379848 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that enforces an ordering, right? < 1508379849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, _unless_ the sequence is finite. so from now on we're assuming the computation _doesn't_ halt. < 1508379862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a partial ordering on tuples. < 1508379874 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I follow. < 1508380008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, assume this about number tuples. now because of how nondeterministic fractran works, once we've found i and j, we can modify what happens from point j to get a new computation that simply increases linearly every j-i steps. < 1508380038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw this partial order of tuples corresponds to the original number n_i dividing n_j) < 1508380107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this means that we know how to solve the halting problem for nondeterministic fractran. thus it cannot be turing complete. < 1508380137 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, by nondeterministic fractran, you mean randomized rule application, right. < 1508380153 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not just randomized, freely chosen. < 1508380189 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured. so, riddle me this. that made sense (though I'm still chewwing on it), but how can P systems claim to be turing complete then? < 1508380220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because things on different sides of membranes cannot react with each other, i presume. < 1508380241 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that's just a really fancy way of saying "I'm in this state so these rules apply, while the others don't." < 1508380248 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can achieve by flag registers. < 1508380282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you have a state for _each_ object, and there's no bound on the number of them, so you'd need infinitely many flags < 1508380313 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1508380321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what i'm saying isn't making sense. < 1508380332 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me go look up those P-systems. < 1508380339 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system < 1508380348 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :membrane dissolution directly corresponds to a flag change. < 1508380402 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that if I have some register with the current state as an integer, I can always prepend a check for that register on each instruction to say "this will only fire if the current state is 3". < 1508380451 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a state transition is non-symmetrical, meaning we alter said register after we match on a given rule that says "go to the next state." < 1508380462 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just filling it back in with the previous value. < 1508380515 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508380535 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning a rule looks like state(1),... -> state(1),... when it's in one state, and on a transition, it looks like state(1),... -> state(2),... < 1508380587 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me that's what the membrane dissolution looks like. I can always know which state I'm in, and because of that I can enforce some sort of order on my computation without it having to be explicitly enforced by the rules of the P-system in question. < 1508380590 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sans rule priority. < 1508380634 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's really what's getting me. the fact that P-systems are very much like FRACTRAN but don't require any kind of explicit ordering in their rule set. < 1508381064 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1508381215 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508381465 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh flags _might_ work in nondeterministic fractran, you just need two opposite ones. something is weird here. < 1508381506 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only odd thing is that you can't test for something like xor. < 1508381524 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem isn't flags, it's that you cannot test a number for being zero. < 1508381539 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm. but you can get around that by simply using 1 and 2. :P < 1508381548 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :really simple, that. < 1508381549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for your _real_ data < 1508381560 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1508381571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot test for <=1 either < 1508381627 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, I mean... if I was using flags, instead of testing whether a flag was unset, I'd test if it was symbolically unset (i.e set to '1') or test if it was (i.e set to '2'). < 1508381648 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can do. < 1508381660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so membrane dissolution may work. what doesn't work is the "maximally parallel" rule. < 1508381682 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if _that_ is essential for getting TC-ness without priorities. < 1508381733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these p-systems have too many variants, it seems, so the statement you don't need priorities is very vague on what you _do_ need instead. < 1508381747 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot of membranes. < 1508381750 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to guess. < 1508381779 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the abstract linked to, only 1 or 2 dependent on variants. < 1508381828 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :very curious. < 1508381859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of the things mentioned in the wikipedia article other than priorities, "maximally parallel" is what cannot be done in ND fractran. < 1508381910 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1508381914 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or dividing membranes, but that seemed to be optional. < 1508381951 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too hard of a mental hurdle to delay the state change before you've gone through every possible rule. < 1508381976 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually precludes every cellular automata, including 110. < 1508382054 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :though from experience most fractran programs would break. < 1508382205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: the problem is that to know when to stop delaying, you need to know when you have no more rules matching. < 1508382232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot do that because it's testing for absence of something < 1508382244 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm, I wouldn't say it is though. < 1508382269 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less testing for the absence of something and more stopping if you have no more work to do. < 1508382284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no more work to do" _is_ testing for absence. < 1508382291 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting a "test for negative" into a "continue if positive" is trivial. < 1508382305 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is same as "we're out of input elements" < 1508382318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: no it's not. < 1508382338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is there is nothing _forcing_ you to continue. < 1508382363 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see your point. fractran's stopping point is "I can't find a rule to apply". < 1508382392 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference here? "hand the unchanged state to all the rules, see what pops out, add together everything that pops out." < 1508382397 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but this is not a final program stopping point. it's a "go to next phase" stopping point. < 1508382447 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have the means to disallow it randomly going to the next phase even if it _isn't_ finished. < 1508382450 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I have two states with 3 rules in them. one rule in the first state says to go to the second state (by triggering a flag register). < 1508382485 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I apply all 3 rules maximally, I'll have a union of whatever each rule's output is. < 1508382506 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I apply all 6 rules maximally, I'll ahve a union of whatever each rule's output is. < 1508382551 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, let me sketch this out and paste it. text diagrams on IRC suck. < 1508382727 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/u00g so we have two states, each of which has 3 rules. the first state has a transition to the second. regardless of what the specifics of any of these rules are, the current state register always regulates which set of rules is active. all the rules operate on the current state at once and get clumped together after they're done. < 1508383004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're definitely answering the wrong question but now i need to think of a clearer example... < 1508383023 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ears. < 1508383300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this isn't quite satisfactory but how would you emulate the p-system rule "a -> aa" maximally parallely in ND fractran < 1508383328 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "a -> aa"? < 1508383339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1508383342 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec. < 1508383371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it needs to exactly double the number of a's between some well-defined steps. < 1508383383 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and it just involves one register. it's doubling a number. < 1508383409 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it needs to do that again, indefinitely. < 1508383414 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. I mean. < 1508383421 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :r1(1) -> r1(2). < 1508383438 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/4? < 1508383447 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the equivalent fractran program. < 1508383470 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would double the a's one at a time, not simultaneously. < 1508383483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1508383493 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :steps are still there. < 1508383501 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that you don't find one rule then go back to the start. < 1508383514 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you find all the rules that match, grab their left hand sides, and combine the whole set of states. < 1508383551 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how nondeterministic fractran works. you need to enforce it without having it a priori. < 1508383600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ND fractran does on rule at a time, P-systems as many as possible, and that may be the difference for TC-ness. < 1508383605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one < 1508383619 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1508383639 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what your point was with the a -> aa rule. < 1508383653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's an example in the wiki page < 1508383662 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because regardless of whether it's ND fractran or not, I'd still select a rule and apply it. < 1508383700 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/ua1Z < 1508383726 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a.. I guess approximation of the rule set they presented. < 1508383756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand your notation < 1508383774 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :'state', 'a', 'c', 'd', 'e', etc. are just registers. < 1508383844 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :state(1),a(1) -> state(1),a(1),b(1) says "If the state register is >= 1 AND the 'a' register is => 1, subtract 1 from both and add 1 to the state register, the 'a' register, and the 'b' register." < 1508383858 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fractran simulates a register machine underneath. < 1508383995 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that could actually be modified into two rules for the first state. < 1508384019 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta run for a few, but I'd like to continue this when I get back if possible oerjan! < 1508384043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rule seems to be an infinite loop that can always trigger once it already has < 1508384090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1508384367 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508385645 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508385905 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508387753 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508387784 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508387793 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :back. < 1508387828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now have more useless knowledge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 < 1508387852 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me your useless knowledge. < 1508387957 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in that link hth < 1508387992 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508388001 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did help. :P < 1508388087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that squaring P-system also uses maximal parallelism, i see. i'm pretty sure you'll have trouble converting it into a working ND fractran program. < 1508388157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure NDF program even can multiply numbers < 1508388164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1508388184 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think instead of talking about fractran, we should talk about counter machines in general. < 1508388205 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's essentially all fractran is. < 1508388226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but ND fractran was what we started discussing, and that's weaker. < 1508388249 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is ND fractran as you define it? free choice of rule application? < 1508388258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1508388308 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of "apply all the rules at once, then move on" it's "select a rule from the list at your own will. < 1508388315 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then move on." < 1508388377 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see why that could be difficult but I'm not convinced that it's not possible for a true conversion. < 1508388403 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I could totally skip rules and go for the state transition first. < 1508388444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for counter machines, it corresponds, i think, to having any test have a chance of jumping as if a register is zero even if it isn't. < 1508388470 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of free choice you have some kind of chance mechanism. < 1508388496 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty close. < 1508388498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really mean that. < 1508388517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suspect you cannot do everything with randomness either. < 1508388543 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some literature on nondeterministic prolog programs, and if you wanna look at fractran as a really bizzaro prolog clone, that may be cool. :P < 1508388555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1508388653 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/uEFS so the only real issue I have with this system, if I was going to port it to ND fractran, is the rule with the asterisk next to it. < 1508388669 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning if we're presented with any set of rules and one state transition, we can always choose the state transition as early as possible. < 1508388671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomness might help, though, because you can then ignore a 0 probability of not halting. < 1508388760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: i think that rule is fine actually. the two previous ones are worse because how do you enforce that the first one doesn't fire alone? < 1508388795 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. you can go from the first to the third or repeatedly fire the first. < 1508388799 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and totally ignore the second. < 1508388812 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be dumb about it and break up every rule into its own state. < 1508388830 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and form a mutual exclusion table.. thing. < 1508389207 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to encode if-else combos if you're going to have "every rule is its own state". < 1508389230 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning state(1),... -> state(2),...; state(2),... -> state(3),...; etc < 1508389241 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to enforce some linear order. < 1508389294 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you're in state N and your registers match these, go to state 1. else, go to state N+1." < 1508389381 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there's some kind of way to encode that. if you could encode that you could write any set of fractran rules as ND fractran rules. < 1508389495 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know for sure that NDF is weaker than DF? < 1508389718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: it is decidable whether it has to halt < 1508389726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1508389769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it goes on long enough, you eventually _will_ reach a number divisible by a previous one. < 1508389784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you know it doesn't need to halt. < 1508389852 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508389974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3 hours ago < 1508390150 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question was whether NDF can evaluate all total recursive functions < 1508390171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's also some way to upper bound the time until this happens, given the program and original input, and i suspect that the bound is primitive recursive. < 1508390184 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a no? < 1508390188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1508390229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i'm not entirely sure NDF can even multiply two numbers given in 2^m 3^n format. < 1508390239 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be even less. < 1508390289 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to build a "skeleton" in an attempt to port DF programs to NDF. < 1508390301 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what prevents it? < 1508390324 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought. :P < 1508390331 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant for oerjan < 1508390336 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is multiplication hard < 1508390349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm not _sure_ it's impossible, it's just that i don't see immediately how to do it either. < 1508390376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like everything else, it's about not being able to test for a "register" being smaller than a constant. < 1508390427 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :an approach might be to temporarily extend NDF to that kind of capability. < 1508390430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot really do it with nested for loops since you don't know how to break out of the inner one. < 1508390446 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: but then it's a completely different task. < 1508390490 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... < 1508390494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1508390507 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cms.math.ca/10.4153/CMB-1961-031-9 Melzak's model is also completely equivalent to fractran, so this is interesting. < 1508390558 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not completely equivalent. wrong words. the concept is the same (take N from here, put M here.) < 1508390641 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-machine_model#1961:_Melzak_model:_a_single_ternary_instruction_with_addition_and_proper_subtraction far more brief here. < 1508390681 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that his model appears to deal with one register at a time, while conway's deals with multiple registers at a time. < 1508390693 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508390864 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc he touches on something similar to conway's rule format. < 1508391077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-machine_model#1961:_Minsky.27s_model_of_a_partial_recursive_function_reduced_to_a_.22program.22_of_only_two_instructions < 1508391128 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he encodes an else branch. < 1508391246 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if every rule in NDF had an explicit action for else, then you could encode any sequence of DF commands. < 1508391267 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508391277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that useless machine was invented by minsky btw < 1508391288 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, really? < 1508391313 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1508391320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minsky's mentor at Bell Labs, information theory pioneer Claude Shannon (who later also became an MIT professor), made his own versions of the machine. He kept one on his desk, where science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke saw it. Clarke later wrote, "There is something unspeakably sinister about a machine that does nothing—absolutely nothing—except switch itself off", and he was fascinated by the < 1508391326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :concept." < 1508391342 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicidal by design. :P < 1508391421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minsky also invented a "gravity machine" that would ring a bell if the gravitational constant were to change, a theoretical possibility that is not expected to occur in the foreseeable future." < 1508391502 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame he's now an icicle. < 1508391528 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508391574 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if by some measure, you did manage to construct a kind of skeleton with an explicit else branch, you could port any DF program to NDF. but until you have that link, NDF is weaker. < 1508391883 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be interesting to compare with prolog's style of nondeterminism. multiple matching rules but only one choice. < 1508392128 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508392417 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508392454 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508393370 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508395176 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508395418 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508395663 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508395681 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 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:#esoteric < 1508426434 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5c46:8e1f:dce0:a987 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508431308 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5c46:8e1f:dce0:a987 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508431433 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508432667 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508432679 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1508433444 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508433464 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's SMBC. http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/smell-this < 1508433518 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508433918 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1508433931 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508434053 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508435005 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only all SMBC comics were funny like this < 1508435061 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1508435072 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are funnier than this < 1508435105 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are fine but they tend to repeat jokes a lot < 1508435114 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joke format, anyway < 1508435259 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Most of them seem to be based on people being jerks quite deliberately. < 1508435278 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try drawing 7+ comics a week for years without repeating yourself. im impressed how even with such a rigorous schedule, its still funnier than xkcd on average < 1508435290 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well here's the idea < 1508435297 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe don't draw one per day < 1508435307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I wouldn't try :P < 1508435351 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :th < 1508435379 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oatmeal is funnier on average but updates far less often < 1508435428 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all the long form side projects zach produces are creative and hilarious as well < 1508435477 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: they mostly just repeat jokes with xkcd. if you read both, you get many of the jokes twice. it's unclear which is first among the two, and hard to find otu. < 1508435499 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of them are first in most cases < 1508435505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but from what I've read about comics and comedy, being consistently funny is a full time job, though there are tricks that help (read diversely, talk to people, free association games, and obviously expect to discard 90% of your ideas.). < 1508435505 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are just general science type jokes < 1508435509 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep, it has a very rigorous schedule, and he even managed to publish a book (with good reviews) on schedule < 1508435519 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type that other people have done before and after < 1508435528 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Nearing Zero in the olden days < 1508435542 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what's "Nearing Zero"? < 1508435550 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think it's just science, but ok < 1508435552 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an old science webcomic < 1508435569 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know an URL? < 1508435573 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a lot of SMBC comics remind me a bit of "The Parking Lot is Full" < 1508435578 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :another old timey webcomic < 1508435585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, do you know an url? < 1508435594 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearing Zero isn't online anymore but here's an arhcive < 1508435596 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/26/the-best-of-nearing-zero-by-nick-kim/ < 1508435625 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1508435629 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actually a lot of them < 1508435673 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lab-initio.com/best.html < 1508435674 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :There they are < 1508435679 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rather long list at http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?272481-Webcomic-List < 1508435687 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lab-initio.com/250dpi/nz015.jpg < 1508435688 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was another comparable list somewhere but I can't remember wher < 1508435690 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic science joke < 1508435727 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://j.aufbix.org/plif/archive/archive.htm < 1508435734 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's The Parking Lot is Full < 1508435741 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imadudeyo.tumblr.com/ < 1508435744 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1508435776 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( when we're done, lead poisoning will be the least of your worries ) < 1508435788 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same kind of off-beat comics like that you had like < 1508435792 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tom the dancing bug" < 1508435796 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc etc < 1508435813 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :No comics are really original, it is all just one long continuity < 1508435894 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and every joke is new to a newborn < 1508435895 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all art is derivative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html < 1508436061 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508447598 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508448234 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508448328 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508448725 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508449541 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508449567 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:543b:d335:9532:3d92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508450327 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:79a7:bdd6:1b8d:4834 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508450665 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508451401 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: grumble < 1508451429 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1508452394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508452394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1508452394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508453642 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508453910 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508454282 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508456711 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not convinced NDF isn't turing complete. < 1508456883 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDF? < 1508456910 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterministic fractran. thue is nondeterministic and manages to be turing complete and the only difference is the idea that it supports ordered strings. < 1508456952 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could show a thue program ported to NDF then you'd prove NDF is turing complete through thue. < 1508456978 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key is representing ordered strings. < 1508458000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue can TC because you can force away the nondeterminism. < 1508458340 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1508458364 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: like enforcing a linear order to the rewrite rules? < 1508458375 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I swear to god there's some way to do that with NDF. < 1508458406 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508458431 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imhellode. something like that. < 1508458514 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any examples of that? I don't see many examples for Thue. < 1508458646 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the esolang page, the example right after the hello world. this shows a way to work around nondeterminism, by marking strings with delimiters. < 1508458690 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "cheating" with an alphabet of tags, you can guarantee that some steps always happen in order. < 1508458754 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured as much. last night I was trying to do the equivalent problem but with multisets. naively I thought that I could enforce a linear ordering by just prepending every rule with a check for a state register. < 1508460642 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508461306 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1508461307 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, that preparing the budget of the union's foreign policy is directed at solving all disputes with neighbouring countries. this has always fallen through, however, this motion does contain elements which are vital if economic and monetary union, the european union < 1508461567 0 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508461570 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:79a7:bdd6:1b8d:4834 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508461937 0 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508461947 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508462343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think would be the right solution for the post-Brexit Northern Ireland border? < 1508462343 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the three reports we are debating a report by my colleague, who is an expert from the directorate-general on competition is removed from the original text of the commission's audacity when we see that the single currency because that is not a disaster. this is hardly dignified. it is also our duty to take back funds which could be managed without any major advantages for the regions in the european union < 1508462539 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508462587 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508462953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508464192 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508464282 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508464480 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TARGET CHICKEN < 1508465233 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508465803 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508467887 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508469173 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508469520 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NRRD does not have a "page" kind < 1508471645 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508472146 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508472858 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1508474381 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508474423 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508478942 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508479532 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508480397 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody got any literature on nondeterministic register machines? shot in the dark. < 1508480411 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually make that nondeterministic counter machines. < 1508481204 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: ZNC Sucks >_> < 1508481320 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have any < 1508481687 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508483822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nondeterministic has multiple meanings, I guess. < 1508483869 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one of the thing that I thought too, and, therefore, should need the example? < 1508483895 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1508483918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's everything been? What's been going on in zzo38land? < 1508483932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's something interesting and oddly specific. < 1508484077 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO < 1508484078 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 200556Z 20017G23KT 10SM FEW008 BKN016 BKN027 17/14 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP113 60000 T01720139 10172 20161 58009 < 1508484128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have received the latest 2600 issue. I have also played GURPS game on the past weekend. Now, maybe we should need to make hole so that the room can be surveillance from the outside. Also, I worked more on XYZABCDE.ZZT game. < 1508484174 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the hole in your GURPS game or outside of it? < 1508484217 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the wall, in the story, in the event of the GURPS game. < 1508484899 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, maybe that isn't necessary and there is a better way to do something. < 1508484947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like category theory? < 1508484969 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1508485123 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508485393 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508487121 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508487250 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508487438 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG this song is just kyary pamyu pamyu slow and distorted < 1508487441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/25YqRRvl9gk?t=4m20s < 1508490605 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:f16b:7ac3:87be:8b6e JOIN :#esoteric < 1508490814 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508492604 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508492855 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508493162 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a07:1c44:3900::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508493162 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a07:1c44:3900::1 QUIT :Changing host < 1508493162 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508494229 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:f16b:7ac3:87be:8b6e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508494477 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508498959 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508499296 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508502088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GLOWING CHICKEN < 1508502537 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508507916 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508509808 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508509874 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508509874 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1508509874 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508511000 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508511053 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508511365 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508511881 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508512316 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1508512330 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508515051 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1000:_1000_Comics/1000_characters HAHAHAHAHAHA < 1508516168 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508516203 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1508518064 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508518257 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508518552 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? happy eyeballs < 1508518569 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1508518576 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is HackEgo here? < 1508518577 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, we are in the third pillar and in the fundamental question is, in spite of everything and without denying the differences there may be effective. < 1508518675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wait if you're in the third pillar then who's holding up the other two? < 1508518676 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, mr purvis. i congratulate mrs jeggle on her report which contains figures mostly relating to the fact that the spanish presidency for appearing here so quickly, and also, i believe that, from the point with the rapporteur is correct to propose simplifying the rules of procedure, which we did not do so then we can also quote fnord of but which is not entirely coincidental. i wonder, will the commission prese < 1508520241 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, libcurl has an option CURLOPT_PROTOCOLS to limit what protocol of urls it accepts. This has the set of protocols described as a bitmask in a C long. I wonder what they'll do when they have more than 31 protocols supported. Currently 28 bits are used. < 1508520936 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508521567 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508521600 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508522436 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out that if you extend NDF to checking for zeros, it is turing complete. < 1508522451 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning if I can check if a register is empty, it becomes equivalent to a petri net with an inhibitor arc. < 1508522456 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is turing complete. < 1508522479 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without that (or without some equivalent without extending it), it is too weak. < 1508523333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508523333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1508523333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508524774 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508525843 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508526715 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:f094:2736:cef7:1757 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508526985 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:f094:2736:cef7:1757 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508527399 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508527484 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually now that I think about it, what's the difference between checking for something >= 0 and having all your registers assume a default value of zero... and checking for >= 1 while having your registers be set to 1. < 1508527691 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1508527699 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1508527703 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1508527716 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen-- < 1508527730 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma screen < 1508527737 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen has a karma of -1 < 1508527757 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I thought perhaps they should change to "unsigned long long", might be better, then. (But, then, won't be suitable if the compiler doesn't implement that.) < 1508528038 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently, screen -X is not 100% reliable.) < 1508528413 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508528484 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508528931 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgflip.com/1xyq25.jpg < 1508529870 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508530133 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508530194 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1508530218 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest30421 < 1508530253 0 :Guest30421!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1508530266 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1508530266 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1508530666 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508530702 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508534265 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c018:20ab:f556:20c3:a397:294f JOIN :#esoteric < 1508534338 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added a "ff-uniq" program, to remove duplicate tiles from a vertical strip. < 1508534350 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Use ff-strip at first if it isn't already a vertical strip.) < 1508534415 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508534585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1508534587 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508535341 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c018:20ab:f556:20c3:a397:294f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508536282 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c018:20ab:5cdf:1cb8:c74a:40f2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508536978 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1508539415 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508540625 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508540962 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508541147 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily https://i.redd.it/pj7ssi2nwzsz.jpg < 1508541147 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1508541835 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:c018:20ab:5cdf:1cb8:c74a:40f2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508543206 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:5179:113f:a1d9:c923 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508543315 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508543793 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@173-8-158-238-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508544136 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:2dc1:466d:9766:8b67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508544309 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:5179:113f:a1d9:c923 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508544574 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:2dc1:466d:9766:8b67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508544589 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:f90a:1175:55bf:600b JOIN :#esoteric < 1508547407 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@173-8-158-238-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508548959 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508549130 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508550243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508550838 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508552231 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:f90a:1175:55bf:600b QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508552339 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508552381 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest43044 < 1508552413 0 :Guest43044!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1508552414 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1508552414 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1508554439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508554558 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:e04e:aeb9:5e71:2bea JOIN :#esoteric < 1508554669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hmph < 1508554681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508554698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LackEgo < 1508554751 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508554834 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508555398 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508555431 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@rosaelefanten.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508556539 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508556775 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508556901 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508558036 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1508559744 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4556:77c9:e04e:aeb9:5e71:2bea QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508561047 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you think about this experimental compression algorithm for 16 colour pictures? http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=206353#p206353 I have implemented it; in that forum you can also see the picture they gave as an example, and my results with it. < 1508561114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is basically a huffman coding problem; the ideal run length encoding format would be based on the probability distribution of run lengths < 1508561139 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arithmetic coding would be the "ideal" in terms of saving size, but on a NES it would probably require too much ROM space to write a decoder for it) < 1508561266 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that, although somehow psycopathicteen suggested this way, so that is what I implemented. Of course if it does base on probability distribution, then those Huffman tables will also need to be stored. < 1508561293 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1508561308 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this encoding basically says that 1 and 2 are very likely (50% and 25% respectively) and longer runs much rarer < 1508561352 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the run length encoding used by bzip2 is probably even denser for that distribution, it exploits the fact that you can't have two runs of the same character in a row < 1508561372 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is that in order to write a run of one character, you just write it, in order to write a run of two characters, you write it twice < 1508561385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a run of three or more, you write the character three times followed by the repeat count < 1508561407 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the encoding knows whether to expect a repeat count by seeing if it just saw three of the same character < 1508561411 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The encoding specified there already can't have two runs of the same character in a row; perhaps read http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=206306#p206306 for some related context (the previous version) < 1508561513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each color would have a list of the most to least frequent adjacent color (excluding itself) with a hardcoded huffman tree." < 1508561553 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the format actually makes it impossible to represent two runs of the same character in a row. < 1508561624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1508561884 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation I have made has type 0 as the end marker instead of type 4 (since it is simply a 2-bit number), always stores the first pixel uncompressed as 4-bits (it look like they may have forgotten to mention how to store the first pixel, I suppose), and has a 42 byte header (longer if the palette is included in the output). < 1508561923 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The header specifies the tile size and the five most common colours to come next after each of the sixteen colours.) < 1508561981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course you can then strip out the header if you do not need it.) < 1508562685 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508562846 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508563901 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. NDF is equivalent to petri nets, in that it isn't TC without some kind of check for zero. < 1508565093 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508565167 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac < 1508565181 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508565383 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508566713 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508569672 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best representation for quantum states for computation < 1508569682 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real and imaginary part or polar coordinates < 1508571000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is NDF working? < 1508571006 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is NDF? < 1508571395 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508572177 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508572372 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NDF = nondeterministic fractran. < 1508572398 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning instead of there being a well-defined rule order (rule 1 comes before rule 2, rule 2 before rule 3, etc.), you can execute any valid rule any time. < 1508572832 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508573757 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508573784 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508573861 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about probabilistic Fractran (where each rule is equally likely to run), can you make that work with probability 1? < 1508574145 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's essentially still NDF. the only way you could make it work is if you had some method of enforcing ordering to the rules. < 1508574181 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'd be turing complete, but from what I can see, it's not possible without a check to see if a given register is zero. petri nets have the same problem (and have mostly the same base, multiset rewriting) < 1508574200 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why inhibitor arcs are a common extension to make them turing complete. < 1508574308 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm wondering if there's some dumb way to manipulate register checks. the only thing you're lacking is a check for zero, but if you can turn that into a check for one and shift all of your other checks up by one, you "technically" have the same functionality, only with the ability to determine whether a register is in a default state (i.e symbolically empty). < 1508574612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: in this case there is a zero test, but a probabilistic one < 1508574631 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a rule that's unlikely to run if a given value is nonzero because there'd be many more alternatives < 1508574643 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1508574656 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting entry point. < 1508574704 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to make that work, but I like going with "asshole fractran", where if you can choose the rule that moves you into the next symbolic state, you run with it. :P < 1508574778 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabilistic fractran is quite close to real-life systems like biochemistry, so it'd be nice if it were TC < 1508574816 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's been confusing me is that, somehow, P systems are turing complete. < 1508574844 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :while NDF is apparently not, but P systems seem to be equivalent to NDF. < 1508574869 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :membrane dissolution corresponds to flag changes and thus state changes. < 1508574932 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :though to be honest I can't tell whether P systems emphasize maximal rule application (i.e all possible rules are applied at once before you update the state) or some other weird application method. < 1508577489 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508579257 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1508579502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1508582309 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508583065 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: ZNC Sucks >_> < 1508587563 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508587955 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508589312 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508589420 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508589466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508589466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1508589466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508589480 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508591380 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508592029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508593050 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508593055 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1508593055 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ said 14h 25m 8s ago: https://i.redd.it/pj7ssi2nwzsz.jpg < 1508593103 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ヘ\\オレン\!www < 1508593161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly, persistently, precisely mapoles fizzie. fizziello. please HackEgo PLZKTHXHTH < 1508593641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huhwha. < 1508593685 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1508593685 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1508593688 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's done the "socat 100% CPU use" thing *again*. < 1508593709 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will poke it with a stick. < 1508593712 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508593715 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that bug is fixed in the repo! < 1508593722 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Was it? < 1508593758 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but glad I'm not the only one who was bitten by this < 1508593852 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me try to reconstruct < 1508593895 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2017-01-25: Socat version 1.7.3.2 fixes uninterruptable hang / CPU loop on host resolution problems" < 1508594008 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://repo.or.cz/socat.git/commit/6b596b8852d8fad2675894e3ceb18a04801eaf23 < 1508594037 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still a bit worrying that there would be a SIGSEGV in the first place) < 1508594105 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, apparently, lambdabot is still using 1.7.3.1 hmm. I should do something about that. < 1508594131 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508594213 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. "socat version 1.7.2.4+sigfix" < 1508594239 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...except this is probably the socat in the HackEgo chroot... < 1508594269 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508594270 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to be the same. < 1508594313 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks fizzie < 1508594319 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fizzie. Thizzie. < 1508594381 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the +sigfix mean... < 1508594447 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508594521 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does sound like it could be the right thing, but I bet socat does more than one thing with signals.) < 1508594584 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508594765 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1508594769 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CAPABLE CHICKEN < 1508594770 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1508594777 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1508594785 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"SALAD CHICKEN" < 1508594785 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508594803 0 :atslash!~atslash@195.91.148.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508596457 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not sure, the deb version number doesn't mention the "sigfix", so I can't tell from the changelog. Though there is an entry saying "Backport upstream fix to prevent DoS with fork, fixes CVE-2015-1379 (closes: #776234)", and *that* bug says "socats signal handler implementations are not asnyc-signal-safe", so it's probably that. < 1508596502 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just upgrade that box from jessie to stretch. < 1508596790 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that description sounds like http://repo.or.cz/socat.git/commit/2af0495cc6534a08d0783a1613d6c9a488ab97e6 ... and it looks like that patch is what introduced the infinite loop via the SIGSEGV handler. (If the SIGSEGV handler returns without disabling itself, and without doing any dirty platform-specific fixups, then it will immediately trigger again.) < 1508596866 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, stretch ships 1.7.3.1, which is still affected. I installed the .deb from sid on stretch... < 1508596981 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508598127 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, never mind. the stretch version is fine; it includes a patch for the problem. < 1508598147 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508599074 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508599078 0 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508599101 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1508599884 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508599997 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508602291 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508604497 0 :atslash!~atslash@195.91.148.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508604520 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508604963 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508605066 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508605708 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508606797 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508607024 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508607095 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508607189 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellais523 < 1508607397 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508607679 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508608309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508609000 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508609047 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508610004 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@186.136.84.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508610009 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@186.136.84.189 QUIT :Changing host < 1508610009 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508610308 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508610942 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508611421 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508611901 0 :moony!?@? NICK :nvm < 1508612329 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an idea for an esolang < 1508612411 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53233&oldid=53222 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* C */ +[[Countercall]] < 1508612947 0 :[io]!~iovoid@186.136.84.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508612971 0 :[io]!~iovoid@186.136.84.83 QUIT :Changing host < 1508612971 0 :[io]!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508612971 0 :[io]!?@? NICK :Guest64997 < 1508613040 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508613041 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508613053 0 :Guest64997!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1508613066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countercall14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53234 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2738) 10new language! < 1508613102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53235&oldid=52144 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17) 10+[[Countercall]] < 1508613116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to have an esolang idea and make it into a finished esolang-documentation in under 20 minutes < 1508613177 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good way to implement quantum states on a simulation < 1508613198 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit hard due to the possible entangling < 1508613251 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe every qubit is a list of states, and every of those states has a list of pointers to other states < 1508613321 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508613363 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508613377 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that [|0> x |1> + |1> x |0>] would be something like two qubits defined as [ [0, ptr], [1, ptr] ] and [ [1, ptr], [0, ptr] ] < 1508613392 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And each pointer points to the appropriate state it is entangled to < 1508613430 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way is to use a full state vector, but then it becomes larger; it is 2 to the power of however many bits. < 1508613452 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full state vector sounds unwieldy to use, especially if I want to implement registers < 1508613477 0 :^io!~iovoid@186.136.84.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508613482 0 :^io!~iovoid@186.136.84.83 QUIT :Changing host < 1508613482 0 :^io!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508613486 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is unwieldy, but I don't know how well any other way will work, either. < 1508613507 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I'm guessing that most states will be either not entangled at all or just entangled to one other state < 1508613519 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1508613519 0 :^io!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1508613530 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, do you think the idea I proposed would work? < 1508613567 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well i guess the pointer should be a list of pointers or something a bit more complex, in case there's three or more states involved < 1508613659 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1508614257 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, wait < 1508614261 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it should be more < 1508614281 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [0, 1], ptr ] and [ [1, 0], ptr ] < 1508614282 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: [ (0 , 1 ] , ptr ] and [ [ 1 , 0 ] , ptr ]) < 1508614287 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too slow! < 1508614295 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1508614327 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more generally [ state, [ptr1, ptr2, ...] ] < 1508614346 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so adding a constant or multiplying a positive counter by a constant seems straightforward at least < 1508614365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1508614396 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe a multiply+divmod construction is the way to go? implementing divmod in this seems like a nightmare though < 1508614408 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for running a procedure C+constant or C-constant iterations < 1508614426 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1508614434 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does, I was trying to think of a way to do it but it doesn't seem particularly easy < 1508614436 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the general one would be like.... < 1508614459 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [state1, state2, ...], [ptr1, ptr2, ...] ] < 1508614460 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: |spelling error < 1508614460 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: | [state1, state2, ...], [ptr1, ptr2, ...] ] < 1508614460 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: | ^ < 1508614469 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hush, j-bot < 1508614497 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where there's an implicit tensor product on every state < 1508614509 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the states are summed with the states of the pointer list < 1508614566 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could work < 1508614596 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm wait < 1508614599 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no good < 1508614619 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be the other way around < 1508614631 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The various possible states in the array for a single particles < 1508614645 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I can't keep track of the memory < 1508614779 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I guess I need more information < 1508614812 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ [state1, state2, ...], [ [ptr11, ptr12, ...], [ptr21, ptr22, ...], ... ] ] < 1508614813 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: |spelling error < 1508614813 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: | [state1, state2, ...], [ [ptr11, ptr12, ...], [ptr21, ptr22, ...], ... ] ] < 1508614813 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: | ^ < 1508614846 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that this structure corresponds to the state [ state1 x ptr11 x ptr12 x ... + state2 x ptr21 x ptr22 x ... + ... ] < 1508614858 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should work < 1508614941 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508615158 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508615626 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508616018 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508616499 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that works for every type of one-particle Hilbert space < 1508617893 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508617923 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Feather14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53236&oldid=40334 5* 03Ais523 5* (+387) 10given that I spent a decent chunk of time and sanity discussing Feather a while ago, it's only fair to let everyone else know where they can find it < 1508617934 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508618203 0 :iovoid!?@? NICK :Guest1166 < 1508618213 0 :Guest1166!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508618412 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508618602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countercall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53237&oldid=53234 5* 03Ais523 5* (+91) 10/* Syntax */ mention the comment syntax; this was always planned, I just forgot to write it down < 1508618664 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, new stuff on feather eh < 1508618735 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a link to old stuff < 1508618746 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1508618753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but letting people know where they can find information on Feather seems like a useful addition to our article on it < 1508618788 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508618968 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508619454 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about "third man argument"? I read the Wikipedia article about it, and it look to me, Self-Predication is wrong. Being F is the wrong kind of property to say that the form of F-ness is or is not F is a statement that is meaningful. < 1508619513 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I had actually missed that conversation I think < 1508619524 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am also not so sure of One/Many; they aren't necessarily contrary, because it can depend how do you do the dividing.) < 1508619665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched a movie called The Third Man once. < 1508619692 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any relation to third man argument? < 1508622375 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508623404 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1508623514 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:31ce:4851:98e8:47f1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508623780 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:31ce:4851:98e8:47f1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508623972 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508624571 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1508624735 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508627123 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508627636 0 :nvm!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508627669 0 :nvm!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508628068 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508628228 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508628357 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:10dc:b5c9:2e6:8466 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508629515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a X resource manager implementation in Haskell? I have implemented X resource manager in JavaScript. One idea for implementing it in Haskell might be that the database has type (XRM x y), which has resources of type ([(Binding,x)],y) where the first half of the pair is the key and the second part is the value. (So, you can't have duplicate keys.) (The type (XRM String String) will be the usual way, although this doesn't allow for XrmUnique < 1508629705 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:10dc:b5c9:2e6:8466 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1508629991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508629991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1508629991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508631304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53238&oldid=53220 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+85) 10Spec consistency < 1508633311 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508633428 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1508633839 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508634131 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1508634991 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508635275 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508638575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508640272 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SOLVED CHICKEN < 1508641157 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508641231 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508641873 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508642118 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1508646408 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508648908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the following theorem called: Any category that has more than one object has N+1 or more monads if N is the number of final objects that that category has. < 1508649240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would that have a name? < 1508649285 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't the theorems supposed to have a name? < 1508649504 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write a paper < 1508649509 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it could be called Theorem 3.4 < 1508649697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, I suppose that is possible. But, such number is local to that document, so the global name will be named by prefixing the document number too, then, I suppose. < 1508649713 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I didn't write a paper, so none of that is applicable. < 1508649739 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely been done < 1508649745 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :"see Theorem 8.4 in [3]" < 1508649762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a theorem or a lemma? < 1508650902 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a lemma. < 1508650979 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a series of lemmata for each value of N < 1508651023 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. not distinct enough to list separately < 1508651615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I tried making the implementation of X resource manager in Haskell. I do not have Haskell on this computer, and also have not made any programming in Haskell for some time, so, I don't know if it is correct, or even if it will compile, or if it is good. However, it is: http://sprunge.us/hEbZ < 1508652564 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm using fractran as a scripting language for a game. < 1508652770 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves moving resources around and wiring up a really stupid simple register machine to my game objects is actually a terribly simple way of managing resources and externally managed flags. < 1508653209 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game is that? Although, I suppose yes it can have a use. < 1508653365 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a little weird mashup between pokemon, tamagotchi and zelda 1 going right now. < 1508653382 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it features little creatures that you control that have a few things. < 1508653433 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :an element/type, a resource meter, and a single ability. their ability is context sensitive to the area they're in (they move and live on a tile-based grid). < 1508653486 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gimmick is that you can take care of them and control them. you take care of them by raising them in your "zoo" and you can take a few of them out into a wider world to do different things like scavenge for resources. < 1508653559 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :each critter can only contain one type of resource, and that corresponds to the element they are. so water elementals can store water. earth can store earth. plants can store plants/seeds. < 1508653585 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposing the internal state of them + whatever tiles they're near via registers seems like a good idea. < 1508653589 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can write rules like.. < 1508653644 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I understand how you mean now, although I don't know what registers they are. < 1508653662 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direction: North, Background: Water, BackgroundState: 25, ResourceLevel: 5 -> Background: Ice, BackgroundState: 0 < 1508653662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric : < 1508653665 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1508653711 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rule reads "if you're facing north, and the tile north of you has a type of water, and the state of that tile is 25 (think water level), and your internal resource level is 5, turn it to ice and set its background state to 0." < 1508653717 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :though really it'd be... < 1508653731 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type: Water, Direction: North, Background: Water, BackgroundState: 25, ResourceLevel: 5 -> Background: Ice, BackgroundState: 0 < 1508653739 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Type: Ice or what have you. < 1508653793 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ice would be better. Type1: Cold, Type2: Water -> Result: Ice. all of the symbolic names like water, north, cold, ice, etc. would be mapped to actual numbers. < 1508653919 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't quite Fractran, although I can see how such a thing could be done in Fractran, if you add a second rule to restore the state, I suppose (unless you are doing it differently) < 1508653975 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran simulates a register machine underneath it. 3/2 is really r1(1) -> r2(1). < 1508654037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that, although if it isn't in lowest terms then it won't work and you will need to add another "trigger" onto it, so that it will work. < 1508654085 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could encode that rule via mapping each of the registers like Type, Direction, Background, BackgroundState, ResourceLevel, etc. onto a prime number. when your critter uses his ability, the engine runs through the rule list after setting the registers for things like Type, Direction, etc. < 1508654260 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although still it look it won't work in Fractran unless you then add a "guard", or if Direction:North is given its own prime number, or whatever. < 1508654273 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Direction is a register, North is a value. < 1508654318 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if Direction is register 1, and North is, say, value 1, then the encoding for the state of that register is 2^1. < 1508654347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that. < 1508654490 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:6f5:e40c:2025:c259:34c6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508655304 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:b57b:267e:8c9b:42e2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508656207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking from the esolang wiki Fractran article, I found the Stack Overflow code golf. They have the following JavaScript implementation: function(n,p,q,i,c){i=0;while(q=p[i],c=n*q[0],(c%q[1]?++i:(n=c/q[1],i=0)){while(p.some(([x,y])=>(c=n*x)%y?0:n=c/y));return n} < 1508656236 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you shorten it any more? < 1508656312 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The function is given two arguments: The first is the input number, and the second is the list of fractions, where each fraction is a list with the numerator and denominator.) < 1508656594 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I'd say that's pretty well reduced. < 1508656666 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they used an older version of JavaScript which does not have the stuff that I have used. < 1508656731 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than likely. ES5 and ES6 and all that. < 1508656775 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508656797 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508657075 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508657108 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508657361 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508657877 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have shortened it more: (n,p)=>{while(p.some(([x,y])=>n*x%y?0:n=n*x/y));return n} < 1508657888 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, I see what you mean. if North is 3, South is 1, and I'm checking for South, the rule would match if I'm facing North. < 1508657891 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Writing n*=x/y doesn't work, due to rounding errors.) < 1508657972 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that I could modify that trivially to include a guard that says "only this EXACT quantity." < 1508657983 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not hard. < 1508657986 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I mentioned. < 1508658010 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, not quite fractran but damn close. you could emulate that behavior by setting some more flag registers but I'd rather just add to the syntax. :P < 1508658093 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is OK. < 1508658519 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508658688 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508658688 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508658719 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508658971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53239&oldid=21317 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+511) 10 < 1508660115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fractran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53240&oldid=53239 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-3) 10 < 1508660241 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more shortened now: (n,p,f=_=>p.some(([x,y])=>n*x%y?0:n=n*x/y)?f():n)=>f() < 1508661948 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't have big integer arithmetic. < 1508661954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So presumably it only works for toy programs. < 1508662599 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:b57b:267e:8c9b:42e2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO(Non-toy FRACTRAN programs...) < 1508663170 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that much is correct. < 1508663805 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, the original version also had the same problem.) < 1508663821 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508665702 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508672121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53241&oldid=53210 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1882) 10 < 1508672181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Feather14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53242&oldid=53236 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-7) 10Remove debris from tag < 1508672411 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508673341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53243&oldid=53241 5* 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#esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Super Stack!/superstack.ml14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53245&oldid=34738 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-23) 10Formatting < 1508676430 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm programming the quantom computer on C++ < 1508676438 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been a while since I've dealt with pointers < 1508676927 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember how to instantiate an array in C++ < 1508676936 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :new State[n] isn't the way! < 1508677013 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C++ still use malloc, I forget < 1508677557 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508677607 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508679001 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508680413 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508680437 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why c++? < 1508680677 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because male models. < 1508680679 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: C++ has an abstraction called allocators; the standard one may (and should, really) be using malloc < 1508680818 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should, because I think that effort on optimizing variable-sized allocation should be spent on improving malloc.) Shiny: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=glibc-malloc-thread-cache < 1508680931 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should, also, do prevent silly things like https://www.zerotier.com/blog/2017-05-05-theleak.shtml < 1508680938 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/do/to/ < 1508681587 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508681834 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not C++* < 1508681858 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly using it because I want to be able to do arithmetics on quantum states so I need to overload arithmetics and logical operators < 1508681886 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than do some awkward Add(State1, State2 < 1508684148 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is one of the worst languages i know < 1508684344 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1508684351 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I coded it lots < 1508684356 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is mostly fine < 1508684484 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1508684484 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1508684488 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-- < 1508684490 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-- < 1508684509 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1508684509 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 1892 < 1508684537 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Karma rated < 1508684585 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1508684585 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1508684605 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- c < 1508684605 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c's karma lowered to 1. < 1508684608 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma- c < 1508684608 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c's karma lowered to 0. < 1508684609 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1508684615 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1508684617 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You monster < 1508684618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1508684621 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma C < 1508684621 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a karma of 0 < 1508684623 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ c < 1508684623 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c's karma raised to 1. < 1508684626 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like C) < 1508684859 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a time when C++ lowered the speaker's karma, but I think that hack is gone. < 1508684905 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Slereah < 1508684905 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1 < 1508684907 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew < 1508684937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma int-e < 1508684937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e has a karma of 11 < 1508684955 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma myname < 1508684955 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname has a karma of 1 < 1508684995 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma blah < 1508684995 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah has a karma of 31337 < 1508685007 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are stupid people who have nothing better to do than this < 1508685023 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they geniuses < 1508685038 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1508685086 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508685156 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1508685156 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 108 < 1508685168 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I'm still at 108 ^^ < 1508685186 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DICTIONARY CHICKEN < 1508687353 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508688121 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508688142 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508688438 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508688923 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508689507 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3ccf:3980:b68e:ba85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508690516 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508690886 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508691439 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508691892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AAAAAAAA 5* 10New user account < 1508691895 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1508692104 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAARGH! < 1508692153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53246&oldid=53231 5* 03AAAAAAAA 5* (+212) 10 < 1508692722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Popular problem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53247&oldid=41270 5* 03AAAAAAAA 5* (+199) 10 < 1508693627 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508693627 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1508693627 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1508696707 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508696750 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 QUIT : < 1508696766 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508697448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508697531 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone tried this ... esolang lovers might like this... -> https://www.nevercompletedgame.com/ < 1508697562 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508697744 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508697930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508698024 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1508699488 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508699602 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too US centric anyway < 1508699628 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true... < 1508700114 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first maybe 20 were kind of nice, but then it got more and more obscure. I cheated my way to 32 but what's the point. < 1508700155 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508700195 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even before that, I used google. I didn't recognize 4.6692, for example. I recognized the taxicab number but that wasn't an acceptable answer. < 1508700402 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508700438 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell is question 15 < 1508700451 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sequences are missing 4, 2 and 8 < 1508700458 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beyond that < 1508700460 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue < 1508700476 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that's your answer right there. < 1508700485 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is < 1508700492 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :428 < 1508700499 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what they expect? < 1508700506 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was to find the next in the sequence < 1508700612 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like puzzles that are hard because you don't get told what to do < 1508700629 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a bit shit < 1508700638 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of those questions have plenty of possible answers < 1508700671 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, zachtronics new game is awesome < 1508700715 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is just 1729 = 1^3 + 12^3 = 9^3 + 10^3 < 1508700729 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is neither taxicab number or Hardy–Ramanujan number < 1508700756 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :or variations on those < 1508700841 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the game is not straight forward... it has multiple answers.. even website has one comment about the game... :P < 1508700862 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is not very fun < 1508700877 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like old adventure games where you had to read the mind of the developpers to guess solutions < 1508700909 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the empty set a Grothendieck universe < 1508700937 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is using that universe equivalent to just saying small sets don't exist < 1508700965 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is vacuously true, yes < 1508700998 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the next smallest universe is the one that I am used to using I think, containing the natural numbers < 1508701021 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... no < 1508701021 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just N yeah < 1508701042 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is {{}} a universe? < 1508701052 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like natural numbers < 1508701065 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{}} doesn't contain the power set of {} < 1508701069 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these games are no fun if playing alone... if people come and play then it might be some fun.. like the people on /sci/ blog they played together and finished it... < 1508701082 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, you're right < 1508701092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to decree that game as no fun in the first place < 1508701096 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're bad puzzles < 1508701118 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an FYI the game has almost all answers somewhere on their blog... so don't waste too much time on these puzzles... < 1508701892 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508702731 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3ccf:3980:b68e:ba85 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508702812 0 :nitin59!~nitin59@106.51.136.17 QUIT : < 1508703334 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: opus magnum? < 1508703353 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeah < 1508703756 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yeah narrowing down the right idea to the expected answer is tiresome < 1508703861 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hmm, is it like the magnum opus challenge on a hexgrid? < 1508704103 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like those old timey text adventure game < 1508704111 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-160-135.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you have to guess the correct verb < 1508704713 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508708257 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508708462 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsltenertbbomjpw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508708501 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508708503 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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There are cases where this is not true; this is one example: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1C/palette.png (and, to me at least, it seems easily enough to see how) < 1508731241 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in all three cases of the example pictures, I have achieved better compression with my "ffpng" program than the numbers given there. < 1508731412 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :frymire.png: "w32768 n258 f0" gives IDAT size 250245. serrano.png: "w32768 n258 f0" gives IDAT size 106434. lena.png: "n258 m6 w2 e0,2" gives IDAT size 473108. < 1508731709 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508732368 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more thing to consider can be: If filtering is in use (or even if it isn't in use, because then the filter types are all zero, and because the way the code length table is recorded), to consider the order of the colours in the palette when encoding in indexed colour mode. < 1508733829 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/bQd7Z6Z < 1508734383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that picture from? < 1508734403 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, why do they split the picture into several IDAT blocks?) < 1508734832 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Encoding settings "n258 w512 e-1,512,258 m6" reduce the picture from 196372 bytes to 88875 bytes.) < 1508734893 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is the context of what they are saying? < 1508735748 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: his daughter is in love with a delinquent who looks really scary < 1508735894 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1508737832 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508738178 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508738551 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508739781 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508742065 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1508742305 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508742310 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508742327 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@pool-100-8-104-33.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508742350 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest25361 < 1508742726 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508743296 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508743574 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508744023 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508748745 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508749345 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6060:964:1021:4da5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508758635 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508758981 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1508758990 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:diagram//A diagram is just a functor. \ frozen water//Frozen water is just ice. \ oya yakuman//We don't know what an oya yakuman is, but based on boily's reaction, it must be quite painful. \ bézout's theorem//Bézout's theorem says that if a system of polynomial equations over the complexes has as many variables as equations, then in < 1508758991 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1508758991 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:the general case the number of solutions it has is equal to the product of one less than the degrees of the polynomials. \ unlambda//``ci`r`.!`.l`.a`.i`.v`.i`.r`.t`. `.t`.s`.e`.'`.c`. `.,`.a`.d`.b`.m`.a`.l`.n`.U`ci < 1508759911 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508761358 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GEOGRAPHIC CHICKEN < 1508761620 0 :MrBusiness3!?@? NICK :MrBusiness < 1508765395 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1508766103 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:b57b:267e:8c9b:42e2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508767852 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6060:964:1021:4da5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508768085 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508768962 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508769310 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508769599 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1508770210 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508770371 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1508776347 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508776508 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:2dce:231b:1375:ec5a JOIN :#esoteric < 1508776749 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508776762 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:2dce:231b:1375:ec5a QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508777877 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508779147 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508780370 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:dcf4:65c:5215:5f7b JOIN :#esoteric < 1508782025 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, you don't know what is oya yakuman, but I do know. < 1508784111 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508784648 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508784998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508785256 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508786670 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@rosaelefanten.org QUIT :Changing host < 1508786670 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux JOIN :#esoteric < 1508786963 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to this article http://optipng.sourceforge.net/pngtech/too_far.html I have managed to achieve even better compression; now I have shortened the IDAT chunk of frymire.png to 249821 bytes. < 1508787135 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to make a png that displays its own hexdump < 1508787174 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not 100% sure that this is even possible, but the gzip quine means that there's hope) < 1508787922 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508788015 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508788129 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508788211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508788682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is a idea, although I don't know how to do it. I have once found a PNG that claimed to be a QR code encoding of itself, although from what I can tell the data that it decodes into appears to be scrambled (but vaguely looks like a PNG file). < 1508789632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1508790210 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508792377 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7790.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508792882 0 :Guest25361!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1508792885 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@pool-100-8-104-33.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1508792885 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1508793605 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508794075 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8441:70ca:7dd3:d068:cf62:349b JOIN :#esoteric < 1508794445 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make vim to automatically set syntax for any new buffer except for a help buffer? < 1508795493 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-commands, :au < 1508795906 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that help files set their filetype using a modeline (ft=help, at the bottom) < 1508795998 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about tfelthgiron < 1508797228 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508797553 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508797578 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508797968 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508798049 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do u know what C++11 means < 1508798054 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move std::move < 1508798414 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508798895 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508799141 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508799148 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome brandonson < 1508799151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06brandonson: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1508799590 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do u know how to use std::unique_ptr? < 1508799855 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! < 1508799871 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under the first object he gets in his hands. < 1508799879 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION damns the size of his coffee mug < 1508799901 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a unique_ptr? < 1508800012 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's std::auto_ptr done right. < 1508800032 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it seems no matter what i do, unique_ptr wants to create type errors in template specializations < 1508800046 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what are you doing? < 1508800081 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to initialize a unique_ptr member of a class B < 1508800098 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my constructor looks like this < 1508800130 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B(unique_ptr a) : a_(std::move(a)) {} < 1508800159 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usr/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.7/../../../../include/c++/4.4.7/bits/move.h:57:14: error: rvalue reference to type 'unique_ptr<[2 * ...]>' cannot bind to lvalue of type 'unique_ptr<[2 * ...]>' < 1508800159 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: unique_ptr's constructors take pointers < 1508800220 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1508800232 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread, thought you were passing in an A < 1508800289 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea then < 1508800298 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as your line goes, it looks just fine (modulo oddly using std:: for move, but not for unique_ptr), so we must be missing some context here. < 1508800359 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1508800522 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode_cpp/explode.cpp:174:75: note: in instantiation of function template specialization 'std::move > &>' requested here < 1508800569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why I hate C++ and avaid all its special features like the plague < 1508800583 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the errors are fucking nonsensical < 1508800607 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been fiddling with C++17 recently, actually, and found it pretty pleasant going. Even if the errors are terrible. < 1508800662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want help you probably need a compilable example, though. < 1508800827 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this works just fine: https://ideone.com/ZdvaE4 < 1508800960 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1508800960 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1508800960 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct B { < 1508800961 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1508800961 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct A : public B { double d; std::unique_ptr b; A(double d, std::unique_ptr b) : d(d), b(std::move(b)) {} < 1508800964 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :}; < 1508800989 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives the same error < 1508801110 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here it doesn't: https://ideone.com/lDkkv3 < 1508801123 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you're calling that constructor. < 1508801152 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -std=C++11 < 1508801173 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, c++ 14? < 1508801181 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1508801214 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be the same with C++11. < 1508801241 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not getting any errors in http://sprunge.us/GReZ < 1508801261 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5.0 is the only version of clang I've got installed.) < 1508801303 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god fucking damn it why does gerg want me to use this shit < 1508801358 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang version 3.4.2 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot2-final) < 1508801358 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Target: x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu < 1508801490 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't I just use normal pointers < 1508801508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to use them. I know how to fucking debug them < 1508801587 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerg? < 1508801654 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy's name is greg but I am mad at him < 1508801801 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see < 1508801814 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerg wants me to use /home/gerg/bin/gcc < 1508801821 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1508802663 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahg. < 1508803010 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GUILTY CHICKEN < 1508803717 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508804459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508805169 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508805341 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1508806641 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowserina@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: QUIT!!! OH NO!! < 1508806766 0 :Guest15079!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508806794 0 :Guest15079!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1508806800 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :Changing host < 1508806800 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1508806909 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1508807018 0 :moony_!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508807063 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508807126 0 :moony_!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1508807138 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 QUIT :Changing host < 1508807138 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508807141 0 :moonythedwarf!?@? NICK :moony < 1508807205 0 :lucas99897868!~lucas9989@201.7.52.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508807258 0 :lucas99897868!~lucas9989@201.7.52.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1508807353 0 :lucas99897868!?@? NICK :lucas998978681 < 1508807402 0 :lucas998978681!?@? NICK :gustavo < 1508807425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1508807431 0 :gustavo!?@? NICK :Guest84182 < 1508807504 0 :Guest84182!~lucas9989@201.7.52.212 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508807708 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508807969 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508808147 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508810799 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508811736 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508811816 0 :augur_!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508812051 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8441:70ca:7dd3:d068:cf62:349b QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508812147 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will any DEFLATE implementation can implement "two-pass LZ77"? You would first do LZ77 normally, and then generate the Huffman tree, and then redo the LZ77 step but using the existing Huffman tree to determine which backreferences to make, and then do the rest of the compression normally (with a new Huffman tree). < 1508812247 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you decompress that? < 1508812271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usint any normal decompressor; the DEFLATE format isn't altered. < 1508812308 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you build the huffman tree? < 1508812329 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the ordinary way. < 1508812343 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must misunderstand then < 1508812360 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first Huffman tree would not be saved; it is used only temporarily.) < 1508812432 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that resolve your question, or is it something else that is unclear? < 1508812450 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to consider it later < 1508812609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My implementation of "Psycopathicteen Tile Compressor" does use multiple passes in a somewhat similar way to this in order to achieve better compression (but it doesn't use LZ77; it also uses a fixed Huffman table, but the mapping of Huffman codes to characters is not fixed and is defined in the header). < 1508812862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: *Psychopathicteen < 1508813136 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it is spelled "psycopathicteen" (I don't know why, but it is) < 1508814423 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqlduiqeaoxiwkba JOIN :#esoteric < 1508815418 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508816609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The block size in older versions of my PNG encoder (which uses a modified version of LodePNG) has specification of block size in bytes, but now I changed it so that it is also possible to specify the block size is scanlines as well if you want to (you can still specify in bytes too if you want to do). < 1508816723 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508817005 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508818140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about mereology... and if there could be mereological programming... < 1508818339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's merely logical < 1508818421 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1508818927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508819574 0 :klaha!~klaha@2806:106e:10:7ba9:19ef:64c4:e758:5cf0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508819999 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508820275 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508820611 0 :lain____!~iwakura@c-98-249-114-25.hsd1.nm.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508820653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DGOL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53248 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+7895) 10Created page with "DGOL (Directed Graph Oriented Language) is an imperative programming language in which all values are pointers to nodes within directed graphs. ==Lexical Structure== Linear w..." < 1508820664 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53249&oldid=53233 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+11) 10/* D */ < 1508821801 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508822034 0 :lain____!~iwakura@c-98-249-114-25.hsd1.nm.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1508822067 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508822098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because PNG uses DEFLATE which uses both LZ77 and Huffman, this makes it more difficult to properly optimize filter selection. With Huffman only, the filters could easily be corrected after the initial guess if there is a shorter way, but with LZ77 then it is possible some later scanlines may depend on this one, and changing the filter selection will mess it up. < 1508822186 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the better way would be for the filter selection and DEFLATE to not be two separate pieces, but instead to be one piece that does both, in order to improve compression. < 1508823005 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508824041 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508824493 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG has a "Shannon entropy" filter strategy. I tried implementing a variant which takes into account the previous scanline as well as the current one, and it does seem to work better, at least with one picture (the PNG logo picture). < 1508824770 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't work better on all pictures though, but for some pictures it does work better.) < 1508824815 0 :klaha!~klaha@2806:106e:10:7ba9:19ef:64c4:e758:5cf0 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1508825895 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508826501 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508826755 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508827419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this program to list the chunks in a PNG file: http://sprunge.us/VONI Some PNG files have the picture split in many IDAT chunks. If you want the total of all IDAT chunks, you might use a command such as: pnglist | awk '/IDAT/{x+=$2}END{print x}' < 1508827423 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1508828153 0 :augur_!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508828454 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1508828975 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1508830972 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508832984 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508833253 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508833553 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508833580 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1508834582 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Newbiefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53250&oldid=46200 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+468) 10Add an example program. < 1508835395 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqlduiqeaoxiwkba QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508835581 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508836009 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1c51:1324:b325:b970 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508837279 0 :lmrwcvmial!~hi@104.131.125.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508837279 0 :lmrwcvmial!~hi@104.131.125.74 PART #esoteric : < 1508837670 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508838948 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508839066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it wasn't supposed to be raining today :( < 1508839125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes when weather forecasters cannot predict the weather right now < 1508840038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1508843114 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1c51:1324:b325:b970 QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1508844955 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508845689 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508847949 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CAPTIVE CHICKEN < 1508849339 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508852788 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508857594 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508859399 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1508859420 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes! < 1508859427 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up, b_jonas < 1508859779 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand the NaN rules for floating point arithmetic instructions. If I understand correctly, x87, SSE2 and MMIX use three different rules: < 1508859847 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the input are two NaNs, 387 instructions write the NaN with the bigger significand (sign is complicated), SSE writes the FIRST input, and MMIX writes the SECOND input, < 1508859869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in both cases the second input means the one that's negated in a subtraction or the divisor for a division. < 1508859874 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1508859901 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, sounds painful < 1508859969 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this "first source" and "second source" is so complicated that I might have just swapped them somewhere < 1508860648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. who invented the SSE floating point min and max operations? isn't it enough that the add and multiply aren't commutative, do we need a non-commutative max and min too? < 1508860736 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that a design goal for MIX was to not be that similar to any other architecture but be sort of similar to all the current ones, does that also apply to MMIX < 1508861244 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it matters, one of the ARM extensions have yet another rule for operations on two NaN inputs. I don't know the details, ARM is complicated. < 1508861768 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:51cc:5aeb:3171:8158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508861879 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algorithm < 1508861880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithms (derived from the medieval "algorisms") are popular sayings by former president Al Gore, except for God's Algorithm which was invented by a Google computer cluster. < 1508862023 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:51cc:5aeb:3171:8158 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508863889 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508864213 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508864233 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508864310 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508864984 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508865124 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.atom: points 0.29, score 19.86, rank 19/47 (+6) < 1508865170 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.atom: points 1.86, score 21.84, rank 16/47 (+3) < 1508865187 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.atom: points 0.29, score 19.86, rank 19/47 (-3) < 1508866047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53251&oldid=50705 5* 03FTcode 5* (-285) 10Added full Hello World program. < 1508866181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53252&oldid=53251 5* 03FTcode 5* (+316) 10/* "Hello, World!" */ < 1508866486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53253&oldid=53252 5* 03FTcode 5* (+7) 10 < 1508866686 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In case you have any interest, now I did write a program in Farbfeld Utilities for reading raw true colour pictures (called "rgbff"). < 1508866792 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* 10New user account < 1508866851 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me see < 1508866855 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked soemthing in and the build did not break. hurray < 1508866876 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have to revert the revert and then fix it < 1508866941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/artifact/b00272245f7f6236 but is there a manual? and why do I want this instead of ImageMagick's or ffmpeg's various convenient raw image input modes? < 1508867009 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there is a document: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ffrgb < 1508867036 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later I will add the encoder as well, and could also add additional options such as XY format. < 1508867055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And others, if you think there is something else missing, you can suggest it.) < 1508867068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, right, it says "decoder" so it's about rgbff < 1508867086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i kind of want is a diff editor < 1508867105 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. < 1508867129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53254&oldid=53246 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+237) 10/* Introductions */ < 1508867145 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that would take a patch file and allow you to edit the resultant seamlessly without affecting the original file < 1508867151 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this can work, though the options are easy to mess up < 1508867204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and it would be nice if you supported (1) reading raw images with premultiplied alpha (2) images with multiple separate planes, so eg. all red pixels first, then all green pixels, then all blue pixels < 1508867243 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, yes, I do intend I can add those features too later. < 1508867342 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which program was it that can transform colors (pixelwise) with an 5x4 affine transformation matrix (fixed for the image, given as argument)? < 1508867356 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was such a program in ff-utils, and if there isn't, there should be < 1508867404 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what you mean; is it ff-matrix? < 1508867420 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, whatever it is you mean, I suppose, yes, there should be. < 1508867423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way to apply arbitrary image transformations to an X-window < 1508867467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, that one doesn't seem to be documented. let me read it. < 1508867508 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the documentation yourself if you want to; if not, I may write the document later. < 1508867534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it supports only 4x4 and not 5x4; perhaps I should fix that) < 1508867632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that could be useful to decode a raw image where the alpha channel is stored negated (as transparentness rather than opaqueness), or grayscale images with the intensity stored negated, or decoding YUV444 images (but that one only once you support plane-interlaced rather than pixel-interlaced in rgbff) < 1508867655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, you should definitely support affine transformation in that rather than just linear < 1508867701 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be done together because pixel values are clamped (to between 0 and (2<<16)-1) < 1508867773 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, one thing I don't like in ff-utils is that they usually accept nonsensical command-line arguments without an error message, so it's hard to find such mistakes in usage < 1508867792 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean syntactically nonsensical arguments < 1508867820 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like passing a non-numeric string when a number is expected etc < 1508867830 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing extra arguments for utilities that take a fixed number of arguments < 1508867842 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct. (Although, if you simply want to negate channels, ff-swizzle is already capable of doing that.) < 1508867866 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a strict requirements, programs are still usable that way, but still < 1508867886 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:51cc:5aeb:3171:8158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508867987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53255&oldid=37584 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+208) 10 < 1508868022 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do not have time to fix anything now because I may have to leave soon, but on Friday I should have time to fix ff-matrix to do that, to fix rgbff, and so on. < 1508868135 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the wiki can be written by anyone, and so can the tickets, in case you want to do so (but it isn't mandatory; you don't have to if you don't want to do). < 1508868639 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily the coefficients as command-line arguments for ff-matrix are in the right majorness that you can just extend it to an affine matrix by appending four extra arguments to the end < 1508868657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would have been an ugly variable interpretation of the arguments < 1508868694 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is good. < 1508868764 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just have to extend param to size 20 here (you're relying on the rule of global variables getting zero-bit-initialized here, right? you could just add a ={0} to make the initialization explicit) < 1508868789 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add a term +param[i+16] to the computation formula in process < 1508868815 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1508868893 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, is the outconv function incorrect? I think that can give you strange results (and technically also undefined behavior) if the pixel[i]*65535.0 overflows the domain of int < 1508868923 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't rely on how casting double to int works in the overflowing case in a C program < 1508868960 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508869081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508869205 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try something like static inline void outconv(void) { double v; int i,r; for (i=0;i<4;i++) { v=pixel[i]*65535.0; r=v<0.0?0:v>65535.0?65535:(int)rint(v); buf[i<<1]=r>>8; buf[(i<<1)+1]=r; } } < 1508870782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53256&oldid=53253 5* 03FTcode 5* (+91) 10added author < 1508870978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53257&oldid=53256 5* 03FTcode 5* (-2) 10/* "Hello, World!" */ < 1508871232 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a deep connection between fractran and linear logic. < 1508871388 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508872976 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508876191 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:51cc:5aeb:3171:8158 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508877231 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Andy 5* 10New user account < 1508877274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53258&oldid=53255 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+631) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1508877308 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53259&oldid=53258 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+90) 10 < 1508877321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53260&oldid=53259 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+1) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1508877341 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508877413 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1508877489 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508878268 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508881082 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa i have meetings all day and can't do any REAL work < 1508881121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are meetings not real work? < 1508881136 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so you should scrap your meetings. < 1508881156 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o0(Dilbert) < 1508881464 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in < 1508882493 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508882561 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508884622 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508884845 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508885520 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1508889152 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508889379 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1508889388 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1508890322 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the best joke of today < 1508890980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508891340 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for the today best joke... < 1508891578 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not the best, but here goes nothing: < 1508891598 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice one. < 1508891607 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come nobody at the king's table laughed when he farted? Because noble gases don't cause reactions. < 1508891625 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1508891626 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises he joked without meaning it. I oerjaned. < 1508891820 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1508891822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is revolutionary < 1508892260 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysacbell (67) < 1508892261 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ysacbell: not found < 1508892554 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah c'mon... < 1508892561 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist (67) < 1508892563 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist (67): boily shachaf < 1508894223 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508894664 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1508894675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11206:2017-10-01 learn The password of the month is revolutionary \ 11180:2017-09-02 learn The password of the month is chanterelles \ 11164:2017-08-22 slwd password//s, word, month, \ 11155:2017-08-16 learn The password of the word is unacceptably delayed \ 11081:2017-07-11 learn The password o < 1508895929 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1508896767 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508897138 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1508897161 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508898105 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508898175 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508898267 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PERCOLATING CHICKEN < 1508900239 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48e5:7ce6:aad7:cd79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508901265 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 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:AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508918685 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:dcf4:65c:5215:5f7b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508918894 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:1189:b379:bd1f:1505 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508921321 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508924254 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508924589 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508925128 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508926097 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1508927511 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bc04:9c67:cfe1:f6bd JOIN :#esoteric < 1508927869 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bc04:9c67:cfe1:f6bd QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1508931762 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508932816 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1508932816 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, commissioner, we have been told that all this will lie at the very moment when the decision is justified, and so on. < 1508932823 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles < 1508932827 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1508932827 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1508932841 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1508932841 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1508932846 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril? < 1508932846 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: use the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there that the ep peaked at 2 ' < 1508932859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1508932879 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. all hail the Avril Airbus! < 1508932901 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially neon, which is the most noble of them) < 1508933326 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neon airbus? < 1508933676 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no. I mean re "Because noble gases don't cause reactions." < 1508933730 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hue hue hue :D < 1508934262 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SLATE CHICKEN < 1508936327 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcfapjo07eqrsv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508937754 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1508938825 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1508940028 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508941989 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. < 1508942108 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1508942711 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508942777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508943251 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508943420 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1508944301 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1508944503 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1508945946 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about the TCness of Countercall < 1508945956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually suspecting it wasn't until I remembered that it supports negative numbers < 1508945970 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to read an arbitrarily large negative number without destroying information, though? < 1508946121 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new esolang by you, I don't think I've seen that < 1508946133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1508946148 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a better idea of where the edge of TCness is nowadays < 1508946152 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Countercall is very close to it < 1508946343 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a totally different question. for each chapter of the ed. Iványi, "Informatical algorithms" book, what's the latest available version and the latest available English version among the drafts found in the following directories on the web: < 1508946348 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://compalg.inf.elte.hu/~tony/Elektronikus/Informatikai/ http://compalg.inf.elte.hu/~tony/Informatikai-Konyvtar/ http://compalg.inf.elte.hu/~tony/Oktatas/AlgofInf-Vol1-HTML/ http://compalg.inf.elte.hu/~tony/Oktatas/AlgofInf-Vol2-HTML/ http://compalg.inf.elte.hu/~tony/Oktatas/FirstExpert/ http://real.mtak.hu/21565/ http://real.mtak.hu/20746/ < 1508946387 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what are all the different editions of the paper books, and how are chapters rearranged between them? < 1508946463 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this something you expect me to know off by heart? :-D < 1508946468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confusing because it seems like the book was originally published in two volumes, but split according to which chapters were completed first, and then the chapters got rearranged in later editions and the English translation, plus now it has a third volume by a different publisher. < 1508946496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's a research question that probably I'll have to figure out myself, and it's also not a question specifically for just you. < 1508946603 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect anyone to know it by heart < 1508947446 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac < 1508947457 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508948905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53261&oldid=53260 5* 03StellatedHexahedron 5* (+208) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1508950205 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1508950214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508951256 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1508951623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508952003 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: trying to teach my new window manager how Konversation works < 1508952048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53262&oldid=45269 5* 03StellatedHexahedron 5* (+6) 10fixed broken links < 1508952056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508953184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1508953473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508954240 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508955848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1508956153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508956530 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1508956550 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1508956550 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1508958374 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: restarting my client < 1508958404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508958578 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508958721 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508958721 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1508958779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1508959627 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508959925 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1508961433 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1508961703 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrjayjiusrrzbjqa JOIN :#esoteric < 1508962336 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:857c:ff38:f544:3f96:3436:496 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508963076 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1508963781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1508964384 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1508975664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1508977761 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1508980229 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1508980593 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1508980933 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53264&oldid=50034 5* 03R.e.s. 5* (+319) 10/* Self BCT */ Fix typos and clarify the generalisation < 1508983155 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brian Cantwell Smith is really cool. < 1508983165 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USF1H70bRl0 < 1508983195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i bcs523 < 1508983206 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't figured out the relevance to esoteric languages yet but I'm sure its there < 1508987983 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1508988075 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrjayjiusrrzbjqa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1508989622 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khwpyebzmgtovdah JOIN :#esoteric < 1508993275 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logical/Interpreter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53265 5* 03David.werecat 5* (+31023) 10Added open source logical interpreter < 1508993391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logical14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53266&oldid=40509 5* 03David.werecat 5* (+60) 10/* External resources */ Linked to new interpreter < 1508995431 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1508998017 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a windows tool that can resize and compress every image in a folder and also maybe convert rotation and cropping metadata into actually rotating and cropping the real image data? < 1508998033 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something a true beginner could use < 1508998075 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagemagick can do some fancy stuff, but is not really for beginners < 1508998099 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I need to do bulk image manipulation, I use imagemagick + bash < 1508998226 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1508998287 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that solution wont fly with my mom, who can barely figure out a seven step process using only gui interfaces < 1508998522 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: world < 1508998551 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1508998557 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's a slightly different case < 1508998585 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea then < 1508998925 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509001190 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1509001874 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: resize and compress as in how. batch resizing? < 1509001946 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if so, are you always resizing to some percentage or resolution? < 1509001974 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could grab a bin of imagemagick and set up a batch script. "copy all your images into this folder, click this icon." < 1509004140 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509009442 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509010635 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509010776 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509010783 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: "In other words, whenever one attempts to comb a hairy ball flat, there will always be at least one tuft of hair at one point on the ball." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem < 1509010805 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1509011287 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509012082 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509014266 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509016438 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a moment < 1509016466 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Irfanview is a gui program for viewing images on windows, homepage http://www.irfanview.com/ < 1509016474 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a dialog for bulk image resizing reencoding < 1509016508 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I think it has... let me check < 1509016516 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely has a bulk reencoding dialog < 1509016521 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really used it < 1509016554 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it has batch resize < 1509016572 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the drawbacks of that software is that I can never remember how to spell its name < 1509016606 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it can do bulk resize < 1509016683 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the hard part in bulk resizing images is determining the quality settings for lossless encode < 1509016759 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d511:68b7:35f8:c5c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509016798 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative is to upload the images to facebook or twitter to automatically reencode everything in crappy quality, or to whatever these photo sharing sites are like instagram or google photos that reencode photos in good quality, < 1509016808 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the drawback of that is that you can't easily mass download the reencoded photos < 1509016865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the irfanview batch reencode can both resize and rotate images < 1509017101 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d511:68b7:35f8:c5c7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509017687 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509018861 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: FWIW, I think Google Photos has sort of a mass-download option -- you can ask it for an album (or a selection) as a .zip. Presumably it's the re-encoded/resized versions, since that's what they store if you're not using the "original size" mode. < 1509018875 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1509018879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ^. < 1509018888 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad with tab completion, it seems. < 1509018913 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. there's an original size mode? < 1509018976 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, but it will count towards your storage quota. (Except if you have... I'm not sure if it was Pixel or Pixel 2. One of those, or both, get original-size photos for free.) < 1509018984 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1509019003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you download in whatever size you want, as opposed to the largest version stored? < 1509019028 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think you can specify that, unfortunately. < 1509019065 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6220791?hl=en "Limited free storage that uses storage in your Google Account" "Free unlimited storage for Pixel and Pixel 2 users" apparently both of them. < 1509019066 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the third big photo sharing site beside Instagram and Google Photos? < 1509019080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flickr? < 1509019082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Picasa, right? that's just the precursor of Google Photos I think < 1509019154 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flickr? possibly. isn't that just a cat cheesburger gif sharing site? maybe I'm confusing it with some other site or it's both < 1509019189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's actually slightly more photographer-oriented than Google Photos, at least IMO. < 1509019190 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, looking it up, it is Flickr < 1509019201 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there could be more sites I'm missing here < 1509019202 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite as photography-oriented as 500px. < 1509019224 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imgur is the big cat gif sharing site, I think. < 1509019281 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur is the reddit sharing site. < 1509019290 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1509019300 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picasa is dead, dead again, and very dead :( < 1509019367 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cat gif sharing site I was thinking of is tumblr < 1509019397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, imgur is such as well < 1509019445 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509019508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Pixel / Pixel 2 storage offer is even more complicated. It's free-forever for photos uploaded from a Pixel, and "original quality" is the only option you have. From Pixel 2, it's free-until-jan-16-2021 from Pixel 2, and you can choose normally between "high quality" and "original quality".) < 1509019621 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forever" < 1509019640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this pixel thing? < 1509020212 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the new iPhone from Alphabet. < 1509020689 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MELODIC CHICKEN < 1509023981 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509024130 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509024822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Noirotm 5* 10New user account < 1509025010 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53267&oldid=53254 5* 03Noirotm 5* (+262) 10Add introduction < 1509026321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53268&oldid=52669 5* 03Noirotm 5* (+231) 10Add link to the fishr interpreter < 1509026429 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509029281 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509029945 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509030250 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509031971 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509032497 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509033044 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509034387 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509035634 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509036259 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d511:68b7:35f8:c5c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509036586 0 :furozo!~u0_a220@198.23.159.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509036903 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509036963 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509037598 0 :furozo!~u0_a220@198.23.159.165 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1509038638 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509038740 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509038969 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509039125 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509039526 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509039554 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509040815 0 :Remavas-3!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509040977 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509041283 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509041297 0 :Remavas-3!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509041761 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:d511:68b7:35f8:c5c7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509042151 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1509042151 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509042493 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:50c0:ce28:6853:3806 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509042808 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:50c0:ce28:6853:3806 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509043525 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509044880 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509046238 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509046514 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509049343 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509050347 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509051189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1103 < 1509051193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1103: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1509052797 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1509053221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509053221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1509053221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509053687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53269&oldid=53268 5* 03Noirotm 5* (-6) 10Fix title hierarchy < 1509055666 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:461b:941:3191:3acd:2f25:8145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509055798 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509057078 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:461b:941:3191:3acd:2f25:8145 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509057781 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509057790 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509057955 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509057968 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509058507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509059316 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509059930 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509061134 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1509062664 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1509062815 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you collect anything? < 1509062877 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fountain pens ^^ < 1509062936 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any? < 1509062972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many wishes do you get from a fountain pen vs. a fountain penny? < 1509063038 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 12 orders of magnitude more < 1509063053 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think i do < 1509063056 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“You finish putting on the +0 mask of the Dragon {MR+ Slay+3 SInv}.” I fscking love that artifact. < 1509063072 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that from < 1509063079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. < 1509063098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dragon < 1509063100 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragons are fractal creatures of magic, capable of shrinking or expanding to any size. Taneb invented them to live inside his string diagrams, but they prefer to hover around pinheads and feed on angels. < 1509063150 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. considering that a fountain pen is called a "thousand year pen" in Chinese, and that gas is around 1.13 CAD/litre, then I'm guessing around 5 inches, give or take. < 1509063172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I assume any pen thrown into a fountain becomes a fountain pen? < 1509063186 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1509063195 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may tint the fountain water a bit, though. < 1509063215 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnoticeqbly < 1509063216 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quite a lot, if it's Noodler's Baystate Blue. < 1509063220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, 1.13 CAD/litre is ~3.33 USD/gal < 1509063224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. cheap < 1509063233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though still not as cheap as the US < 1509063238 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except CA < 1509063247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1509063266 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fountain pen ink is colourfully colourful hth < 1509063267 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :California tends to have rather pricy gas. < 1509063279 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in NYC petrol is much cheaper than in the SF area. < 1509063293 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even in the SF area I think it's cheaper than what boily said. < 1509063353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it seemed cheaper based on a small sample. < 1509063362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like petrol to be much more expensive. < 1509063368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$8/gal? $15/gal? < 1509063394 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, looks like CA had fairly substantial drops in gas prices in recent years relative to the rest of the country. < 1509063446 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of new refinery capacity it seems? < 1509063467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you like petrol prices to be? < 1509063480 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only collect cards < 1509063490 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the *figure*, but I'd like for it to be priced to include the externalities. < 1509063497 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are substantial. < 1509063502 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that? < 1509063509 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1509063511 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taxes, of course. < 1509063520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but how? < 1509063526 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxes that are used to fund epa efforts < 1509063557 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first you stage a successful coup d'etat a la Luttwak < 1509063565 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Determine roughly the impact caused by the pollution, as well as the influence on urban development from vehicles, and tax accordingly? < 1509063574 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just declare a tax < 1509063575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what's the impact? < 1509063589 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. You'd need a study to really accurately measure this. < 1509063590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the latter should maybe be a road tax or something instead of a petrol tax? < 1509063595 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1509063608 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can reduce traffic jams too by taxing actual road usage. < 1509063619 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why tax electric vehicales who are already helping? < 1509063635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helping what? Road congestion? < 1509063641 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because private auto ownership has a negative effect < 1509063653 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helping move away from petrol usage < 1509063671 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, nobody's even bothered trying to accurately measure this stuff. Gas taxes here aren't to incentivize not-driving or anything, they're an attempt to pay for the upkeep of roads and that's all. < 1509063683 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sure, and they wouldn't pay gas taxes in this scheme. < 1509063693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should incentivise commercial trucks switching to electric somehow < 1509063708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the separate problem of oil being non-renewable? Should that be treated as an externality or should markets just deal with it? < 1509063710 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1509063720 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre doing both gas and road tax < 1509063721 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, the mere impact of private automobile use is quite significant. < 1509063746 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suspect in this setup, it'd end up being a moot question. < 1509063759 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a more general question about non-renewable resources. < 1509063774 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we priced gas to include the external cost caused by its pollution, I can't imagine it'd remain popular for long. < 1509063786 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1509063792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i "it" being the government < 1509063793 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unclear on that. < 1509063825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice people are going to burn most of the oil within, I don't know, a hundred years? Probably less? However long it takes for prices to get high enough that people don't drive. < 1509063833 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're just burning it up, man. < 1509063838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we won't have any left to eat. < 1509063889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if you think it's going to be valuable for other uses later, you can speculate, and buy a bunch now and sell it later when prices get higher. < 1509063903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'll probably be a long time, maybe longer than the lifetime of a reasonable speculator? < 1509063920 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does that mean? Are markets doing the "right thing"? < 1509063961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are effectively selling oil/whatever for roughly the cost it takes to extract it. That cost seems kind of accidental, and too low, to me. < 1509063961 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my knowledge, most petroleum-derived stuff is only *cheapest* that way, not *unpractical* via other production methods. < 1509063996 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, it's probably not that big of a deal if we're out? < 1509064035 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it still seems a bit of an example of an unefficient market because nobody's paying the real cost of stuff, but... < 1509064123 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. for fertilizer, oil is only used *at all* because it's a convenient source of hydrogen. < 1509064171 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, http://www.env-econ.net/2013/12/env-econ-101-hotellings-rule-.html < 1509064182 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are (naturally) many, many ways of acquiring hydrogen. < 1509064238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like hydrogen. < 1509064245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1509064260 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electrolysis of water is probably the worst case there, and even *now* it's actually used for some commercial ammonia production. < 1509064274 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly near hydroelectric plants with excess capacity) < 1509064298 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hydrogen's pretty useful, yeah. < 1509064323 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a crap fuel, but it's a great element. < 1509065460 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agcafpbyvskiyeab JOIN :#esoteric < 1509065906 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1509065912 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:time cube//EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (alrea < 1509065971 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1509065971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:dy wrong) bible time. Lie that corrupts earth you educated stupid fools. \ heh//heh stands for hope ectoplasm helps. \ `sled//`sled // \ string diagram//String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions. Taneb invented them anyhow. \ roborosewater < 1509065992 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1509065992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3://RoboRosewater is generating random Magic: the Gathering cards, see https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater < 1509066012 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1509066013 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1509066023 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italian? < 1509067199 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509067881 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:48e5:7ce6:aad7:cd79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509068033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://twitter.com/Ngevd/status/918012736721883137 hth < 1509068803 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. t. < 1509070097 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509071224 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509071396 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo! fungooooooooot! < 1509071401 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ANGEL CHICKEN < 1509071921 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-13-49.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1509072802 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509073388 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509074198 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ec74:f88c:2f12:8a7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509081147 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509081425 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509082279 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1509082535 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509083497 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509083503 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509084581 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509084626 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1509084701 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1509084964 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509085287 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509086550 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ec74:f88c:2f12:8a7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509086731 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ec74:f88c:2f12:8a7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509088178 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509088406 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1509089162 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509089560 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509089809 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1509091218 0 :augur!~augur@199-116-74-126.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509093536 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509093863 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509094221 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agcafpbyvskiyeab QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509096978 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509097443 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509097550 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509097807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509104132 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509104644 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: helloooooooooooooooo! < 1509104644 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " so that the text by overprinting ' _____' on top. ve old input from somewhere. i've only skimmed the paper as he spoke, ' is the fnord" < 1509104660 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please don't void me with a fnord hth < 1509104661 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xx, xxx, xxxx, xxxxx, xxxxxx, xxxxxxx, xxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxx < 1509104673 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek D: < 1509105079 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509106274 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509107121 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: QUEUE CHICKEN < 1509108545 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509110476 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:1189:b379:bd1f:1505 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509112306 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1509112312 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style xx < 1509112312 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1509112322 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1509112324 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1509112340 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1509112340 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1509112347 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... makes sense < 1509112518 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >++++++++++[>++++++++++++>+<<-]+[[<+>->.<]>>.<<<[>+<-]>+] < 1509112518 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.xx.xxx.xxxx.xxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ... < 1509112544 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >++++++++[>++++++++++++++++>++++<<-]+[[<+>->.<]>>.<<<[>+<-]>+] < 1509112544 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :€ €€ €€€ €€€€ €€€€€ €€€€€€ €€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ ... < 1509112551 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >++++++++[>+++++++++++++++>++++<<-]+[[<+>->.<]>>.<<<[>+<-]>+] < 1509112551 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x xx xxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ... < 1509112831 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509113027 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53270&oldid=37586 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+340) 10 < 1509113131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53271&oldid=53270 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-6) 10 < 1509113182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Switchy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53272&oldid=53261 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-60) 10 < 1509113937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1509114325 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:fdb6:d10b:97d3:5dd6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509114469 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509114502 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509116475 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509116490 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509116701 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509116732 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509117699 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509122358 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509122709 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:5073:f73e:a359:f791 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509122988 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bcab:7b8e:1396:7a89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509125678 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, meeting with greg today < 1509125716 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can teach me more of the wunderbar C++1x features < 1509127216 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509128609 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1509129383 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509129928 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bcab:7b8e:1396:7a89 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509129964 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bcab:7b8e:1396:7a89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509130209 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bcab:7b8e:1396:7a89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509130930 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509132090 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509132485 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is heading to the Computer Museum in Cambridge tomorrow. < 1509132748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509132748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1509132748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509133125 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509133227 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509134907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1509135025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1509135128 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509135154 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509136005 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509136120 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509136910 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh wow, that's a really cool place! And not too far from me as it happens < 1509136931 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went a couple of months ago, my friends had to tear me away from a BBC Basic < 1509137629 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View < 1509137777 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they have a ZX Spectrum event tomorrow to celebrate 35 years. < 1509137830 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to go to the museum in Mountain View. < 1509137857 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh, cool! < 1509137859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should! < 1509137875 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bit of a long trip for me! < 1509137907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it hth < 1509137924 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if they have any Core War stuff in their collection though. Since they used to be in Boston (or inherited the collection from the Boston museum) < 1509138023 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, are you based in Cambridge? < 1509138064 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Lincolnshire. It's a 3 hour trip on the train. < 1509138081 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah, I see! < 1509138082 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a 6 mile walk at 4am to get to the train station :-O < 1509138108 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, dedication < 1509138156 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to cycle for quarter of an hour < 1509138236 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so I can get to Cambridge by 8am. There's a train station 1/2 a mile away, but I'd arrive 3 hours later if I caught the train from there. < 1509138334 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...If I go tomorrow and see you, I'll have met face-to-face two people here, both of whose nicks begin with "i" < 1509138370 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be in at least the right country to meet izabera at New Years, if I want to continue this trend, I guess < 1509138537 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But countries tend to be quite big, really < 1509139391 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509139442 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1509140532 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you go, I'll be the one wearing a dark red shirt :-) < 1509141025 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509141737 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509143883 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509143984 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in both, and the Mountain View one is fancier, but the Cambridge one has more personality. < 1509144047 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do I remember right that the Cambridge one is the one in the sort of a shed?) < 1509144088 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah) < 1509144094 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(great fun when it's raining) < 1509144135 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There was a place in London with a classroom's worth of BBC Micros, but I think it was a temporary thing. < 1509144189 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there's a place in Cambridge with that as a permanent thing ;) < 1509144197 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep meaning to buy my own < 1509144266 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2017/04/02/a-room-full-of-bbc-microcomputers-comes-to-east-london/ there was also a bunch of other things < 1509144910 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509144910 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509145357 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509146743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53273 5* 03B jonas 5* (+10024) 10Created page with "'''Olvasható''' (also sometimes called '''Olvashato''' is a general purpose toy language created by [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]]. The olvasható source is compiled to a Prolog p..." < 1509147011 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1509147021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509147259 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1509147298 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1509147555 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53274&oldid=53273 5* 03B jonas 5* (+276) 10 < 1509147618 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: b_jellonas. you have an unbalanced parenthesis hth < 1509147647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WildMidi in my computer, and some music it won't play so good. But, I think I figure out why it might be. I looked in the wildmidi.cfg, and, not all of the numbers 0 to 127 are listed under bank 0. Is that why it doesn't work? I looked in that directory, and it has only the files listed there; not the rest of them. How to obtain the rest of the files, and will this fix it if so? < 1509147698 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509147833 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509148946 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509150140 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quintopia < 1509150142 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. He is flooded by thundercats and thunderdogs. He is the temporal antipode of boily despite living on the same continent. < 1509150231 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Evilinator < 1509150436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53275&oldid=53274 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3363) 10 < 1509151654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53276&oldid=53275 5* 03B jonas 5* (+792) 10 < 1509151719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53277&oldid=53249 5* 03B jonas 5* (+17) 10 < 1509151741 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvashato14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53278 5* 03B jonas 5* (+24) 10Redirected page to [[Olvasható]] < 1509151947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53279&oldid=53276 5* 03B jonas 5* (+42) 10/* Compiler */ < 1509151984 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53280&oldid=53279 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3) 10/* Links */ < 1509152164 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what do you miss most about when you were 20 < 1509152469 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeh... < 1509152474 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1509153264 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ARMY CHICKEN < 1509154498 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509154927 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509155907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to acquire the rest of the GUS patch files for use with WildMIDI? < 1509157667 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have the file to test the interlacing and premultiplied alpha suggested at http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/info/31d44cd6c82733eb < 1509158042 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yyrfmsxjwnalrkiz JOIN :#esoteric < 1509159194 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1509159406 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509159489 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509160545 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509160579 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509161122 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509164294 0 :Muhammedlee!~chatzilla@cpe-104-34-106-250.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509164595 0 :Muhammedlee!~chatzilla@cpe-104-34-106-250.socal.res.rr.com PART #esoteric : < 1509166745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509167165 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509167269 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah JOIN :#esoteric < 1509167504 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509168253 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509168416 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brian Cantwell Smith says that every computation has both a meaning and mechanical realization. < 1509168420 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Insignificant14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53281 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+659) 10Created page with "
Computing is best understood as a dialectical interplay of meaning and mechanism.
Brian Cantwell Smith [http://www.ageofsignificance.org/aos/en/aos-v1c0.html..." < 1509169502 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yyrfmsxjwnalrkiz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509170250 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qllefntsqnmjytom JOIN :#esoteric < 1509170562 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509170768 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509170825 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509171928 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509175460 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509175741 0 :Hooloovo0!?@? NICK :HoolooBOO < 1509176081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509176583 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509176757 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509176757 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1509177190 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/2l5Fm < 1509177367 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509178225 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509178330 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509180990 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509183577 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509183850 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509185823 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, https://xkcd.com/1906/ ... https://xkcd.com/1908/ ... I think I'm seeing a pattern here. < 1509185908 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and imgur should really distinguish videos from other pictures in the URI < 1509185924 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/other// < 1509187068 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509187457 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course sometimes a pattern is just a lazy cartoonist. http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/12149 http://thedevilspanties.com/archives/12155 < 1509187544 0 :HoolooBOO!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only 6 comics later, definitely part of the same series < 1509188407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accuse her of laziness because only one panel is actually new... < 1509188443 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509188489 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1509188491 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH this is better than another "I have no good comic idea today so let's make a comic about comic ideas" comic. < 1509188951 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509189903 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qllefntsqnmjytom QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509192478 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509195319 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509195527 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainwang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53282 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+5687) 10Is my assertion correct? < 1509197853 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509198695 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509199045 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509199235 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509199325 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509199407 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509199574 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509200285 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1509200290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:false//false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga. It's also not true. \ markdown//The markdown flavor of the day is nutella. \ turkey//Turkey was the center of an empire that gobbled up much of Eastern Europe and the Middle East, something which brought them into conflict with Ostrich. In th < 1509200305 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"ABSENTMINDED CHICKEN" < 1509200305 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1509200887 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be the Hungry-Ostrich not just plain Ostrich? < 1509201196 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1509201197 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:e 19th century the overstuffed empire started declining, and after the Great War it was cut up like so much Shish Kebab. \ misspellings of croissant//misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ welcome//Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1509202613 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish kebab goes well with feather dusters < 1509203129 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509203826 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. eh? < 1509203883 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon you'll be wearing my sword like a shish kebab! / First you better stop waving it about like a feather duster. < 1509204071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't rhyme tdnh < 1509204095 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not supposed to rhyme < 1509204115 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't any of you heathens played Monkey Island, I'm disappointed. :P < 1509204215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Monkey Island 3, where thee insults have to rhyme. < 1509204218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1509204229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also played the others but I think rhyming is better. < 1509204236 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1509206434 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53283&oldid=52265 5* 03Hakatashi 5* (+6) 10/* Fugue */ Update hello world source URL < 1509207053 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509207539 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509207917 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509207953 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1509208024 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1509209017 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509210997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53284&oldid=53280 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1) 10 < 1509211161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53285&oldid=53284 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+6) 10 < 1509211422 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509211458 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1509212409 0 :netcatkit!botirc@117.34.92.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509213227 0 :netcatkit!botirc@117.34.92.150 QUIT : < 1509213469 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509213725 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:6431:9fa9:8804:1691 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509215172 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One part of one computer game I was make up, is, if you push 0 to call the operator, then instead is calling the operetta by mistake. They are playing John Philip Sousa's "Liberty Bell March". < 1509215253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not play a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta? < 1509215356 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you complete the game, the final screen is the operetta house and the music can be heard from the outside; that is when your wing is fixed, so unlike the other screens in this game, this screen represents a vertical view of the sky on top and ground on the bottom. < 1509215375 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean the final credit screen) < 1509215399 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could put a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta, but I did not think of that, for one thing. < 1509215561 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that will be the sequel of the game. < 1509219204 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509220201 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509220386 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509220827 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509220955 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509221208 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509221477 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509222062 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53286&oldid=51718 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+169) 10 < 1509222077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53287&oldid=53286 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+0) 10 < 1509222729 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509222744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53288&oldid=53287 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+532) 10 < 1509222823 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509222858 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509223107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53289&oldid=53288 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+271) 10 < 1509223292 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509223426 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhfgrrxismzifayt JOIN :#esoteric < 1509223517 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509224285 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509225159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53290&oldid=53289 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1437) 10 < 1509225465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53291&oldid=53290 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+273) 10 < 1509225544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53292&oldid=53291 5* 03Osmarks 5* (-6) 10 < 1509225560 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53293&oldid=53292 5* 03Osmarks 5* (-6) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1509225823 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509226032 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53294&oldid=53293 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+171) 10 < 1509226134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53295&oldid=53294 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+66) 10 < 1509226154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53296&oldid=53295 5* 03Osmarks 5* (-11) 10Fix

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< 1509229742 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53300&oldid=53285 5* 03B jonas 5* (+527) 10
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< 1509229935 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53302&oldid=53301 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+166) 10Unbreak broken table
< 1509229979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53303&oldid=53302 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1) 10Really unbreak tables
< 1509230948 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: did you go to the museum today? I was there but for some reason couldn't get on IRC using the museum's wifi
< 1509230973 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I didn't, I'm afraid!
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< 1509232694 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1509232700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:thirt//A thirt is for throwsing snowballs at forty things. \ usa//USA apparently doesn't stand for United State Automaton. \ ghoti//“Ghoti” is a very fishy spelling. \ freefull//FreeFull the Unpronounceable is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ twh//twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. han
< 1509232700 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1509232701 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:d.
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< 1509233703 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1509234015 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l//rn
< 1509234016 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/l//rn: No such file or directory
< 1509234034 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that command called again
< 1509234049 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l/rn
< 1509234050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/l/rn: No such file or directory
< 1509234060 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l\\rn
< 1509234061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: l\\rn: not found
< 1509234348 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PART #esoteric :"Closing Window"
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< 1509234449 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1509234455 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn
< 1509234456 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: `le/[/]rn //
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< 1509234464 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1509234695 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Seventh Day Adventism//Seventh Day Adventism is an attempt to bugfix an off-by-one error in Anabaptism
< 1509234699 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'seventh day adventism': Seventh Day Adventism is an attempt to bugfix an off-by-one error in Anabaptism
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< 1509238155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53304&oldid=53300 5* 03B jonas 5* (-54) 10/* Compiler */
< 1509238621 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have fixed the things you requested for Farbfeld Utilities. (However, I do not have the file to test the "rgbff" program.)
< 1509239532 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks
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< 1509239549 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: to test rgbff with what input?
< 1509239560 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Correct Syntax Error14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53305&oldid=35965 5* 03Elronnd 5* (+381) 10Another idea
< 1509239569 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with premultiplied alpha?
< 1509239603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want abgr with premultiplied alpha, then I'll have to export one of those from a program with cairo
< 1509239703 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want one that's planewise interlaced, then I'll get a raw yuv444 image
< 1509240296 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: With any input; you can test it yourself if you want to, and write another complaint in there if you find that it doesn't work. (You can wait until you need it, if you want to.)
< 1509240308 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1509240365 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll have to test with those special options as well as just ordinary raw bgr and grayscale images
< 1509240372 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :headerless ones
< 1509240472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how it is working.
< 1509240536 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be able to test with various formats
< 1509240543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not during weekend, but later
< 1509240561 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1509240640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ff as an abbreviation for the german Farb-feld makes so much sense that now I wonder what ffmpeg was named of
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< 1509240756 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. (But "ff" as an abbreviation for farbfeld is used in the official package as well, not only my own.)
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< 1509241082 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The if(v>65535) v=65535; statement in outconv in ff-matrix.c is useless now. I wonder why I left it in.
< 1509241095 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't hurt
< 1509241264 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "FFmpeg" is for "fast forward".
< 1509241292 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does "mpeg" stand for "ast orward"?
< 1509241331 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mp stands for motion picture, which makes sense for ffmpeg
< 1509241347 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eg" might stand for "example"
< 1509241470 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still fast forward in "ffplay"? because that one plays videos at normal speed
< 1509241642 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even run the Olvasható compiler with modern ruby. They changed the syntax too much for my programs.
< 1509241773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decode what it does, since it's 11 years old code I don't really remember
< 1509242005 0 :moony!?@? NICK :evilmoony
< 1509239310 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! in t1n.olv, I implement the loop function with the Y-combinator technique, without explicit recursion
< 1509239312 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy code
< 1509239318 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense to use it to test the compiler
< 1509240293 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/7Epmp
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< 1509241223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53306&oldid=53304 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2119) 10
< 1509241525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53307&oldid=53306 5* 03B jonas 5* (+151) 10
< 1509241991 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53308&oldid=53307 5* 03B jonas 5* (-212) 10
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< 1509242640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. Where does the compiler actually determine whether the match is exhaustive? I don't see the corresponding code
< 1509242976 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous. That code must be big. How did it detect the non-exhaustiveness?
< 1509243014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53309&oldid=53308 5* 03B jonas 5* (-751) 10
< 1509243240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Olvasható14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53310 5* 03B jonas 5* (+838) 10Created page with "== Implicit catch-all abort arm? ==  It seems as if compiler added an extra aborting arm to non-exhausting let match expressions.  You can see such an example in..."
< 1509246598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I thought of just now is with using the rgbff with a television like interlacing, where you have odd field and even field lines.
< 1509246635 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do with two planes, one red and one green, and then to do ff-tensor and ff-matrix to combine them into one picture. (You can then ff-dntsc to restore the colours.)
< 1509246781 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𓂺
< 1509246783 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+130BA EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D053]
< 1509248231 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@slashem.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but which egyptian hieroglyph is it?
< 1509248309 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Egyptian so well
< 1509248626 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a METAFONT program to make Egyptian hieroglyphics?
< 1509249130 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the ejaculating penis hieroglyph 
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< 1509254884 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-159-228.range109-149.btcentralplus.com PART #esoteric :
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< 1509259502 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remembered a maths lecture I had a couple of years back covering the Nullstellensatz
< 1509259549 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lecturer was trying to translate the name into English, and said "null means zero, stellen means points, satz means theorem... the zero point theorem?"
< 1509259559 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And me being me I shouted out "The pointless theorem?"
< 1509259567 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he said "YES! ...no."
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< 1509268923 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53311&oldid=53303 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+23) 10
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< 1509285294 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1509285296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1509285403 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot (1BB) Creature ― Fungatog; Phasing, Shroud, Shadow. “Fnord.”
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< 1509286080 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should fungot's P/T be?
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< 1509286088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you powerful?
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< 1509287283 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phasing, eh
< 1509287452 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 1/3, with a +1/0 in irc style.
< 1509287832 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh are there any new interesting developments in CaC land? Any new scams?
< 1509287867 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this came out of pondering the various causes of fungot's phasing)
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< 1509289867 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{B}: Fungot gains +1/-1 and lifelink.
< 1509289872 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a CaC again?
< 1509290336 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that provider that shall not be named
< 1509290421 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
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< 1509292535 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1509292611 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the today plan? tile shuffling?
< 1509292751 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw I would've thought of fungot as blue, not black.
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< 1509297720 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe to write, "gains +1/-1 and lifelink until end of turn"
< 1509297802 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, I also don't know what color to put; but you don't need to have only one.)
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< 1509306252 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha! After pbf and xkcd, smbc tackles the wishing well too.
< 1509306319 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pbfcomics.com/comics/wishing-well/ https://www.xkcd.com/561/ https://www.xkcd.com/568/ http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wishing-well
< 1509306461 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, technically the xkcd well isn't a wishing well. Xkcd has eyelash wishes and a wish-granting genie instead.
< 1509306550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xkcd.com/152/ is the genie, which story I then used in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=1008395
< 1509306562 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let me tell you about the latest bad user interface design I've seen
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< 1509306825 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: go on
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< 1509307282 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so there's this underground here, the M3. its tunnel was built to also serve as an underground bomb shelter back in the cold war scare.
< 1509307363 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strip/1992-04-09
< 1509307417 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most stations on the platforms, there's two fancy emergency buttons, one with a yellow box with a speaker and microphone to talk to an operator, with encouraging labels next to them about how there's a first aid box and defibrillator machine available at the station master's office,
< 1509307439 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "well" is a terrible search term, and even worse when the search engine will also match it with "we'll".
< 1509307471 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one with a red or black cover and the button presumably underneath saying it's an emergency stop button that shuts down the power at the rails that you must press if someone falls to the tracks, to protect them from electric shock and to stop the train
< 1509307491 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, and "wishing well" is also ambiguous
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< 1509307559 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so anyway, a few days ago on Kőbánya-Kispest station, which is one of the few surface (not underground) stations of metro M3, I saw that there's a new fancy box:
< 1509307596 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has *three* emergency buttons mounted on it, one below the other. on top, there's a yellow box with speaker and button to talk to the operator
< 1509307640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle, there's a black cover with large label saying emergency stop and pull if someone has fallen on the tracks, but no button in sight because it's behind the cover presumably
< 1509307679 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the bottom there's a red panel with a nicely visible button (emergency style hidden behind a small transparent panel) and small label saying it's a fire alarm button
< 1509307723 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone falls to the tracks and someone quickly has to press the emergency stop button, he'll very likely press the fire alarm button by mistake, and then he'll have to evacuate the station because there's a fire alarm
< 1509307731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're worried that people will set off the fire alarm trying to stop someone getting electrocuted
< 1509307745 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully the fire alarm ALSO has the side effect of shutting down the electricity
< 1509307756 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK I don't think we have a standard "cut power" button on the Underground
< 1509307761 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any such button at all
< 1509307766 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a standard fire alarm call point design though
< 1509307773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows, this is an end terminal, so the train LEAVING the station in case of a fire might actually be a good idea
< 1509307777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Underground, it's silent so as to not cause panic
< 1509307813 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's not much point for a specific fire alarm button I think. for that, you'd press the operator button.
< 1509307846 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call people to evacuate when possible
< 1509307915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operator phone doesn't seem too useful either, because everyone has a mobile phone, there's guaranteed mobile phone reception in the underground stations, so you can just call the emergency services who contact the operator
< 1509307929 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power cut button? that one IS absolutely useful, and should be there
< 1509307973 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already a few people hit by the metro every year (though most of them deliberately commit suicide by jumping just when the train is coming, so the button wouldn't help, but still)
< 1509308271 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the metro carriages of M3 and M2 have an call button with mic by the way, which calls the train driver, and the driverless M4 has similar buttons that call an operator.
< 1509308306 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have emergency door opener handles, and the older M3 carriages also have emergency break handles.
< 1509308349 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily they omitted the emergency break from the newer types of metro, which is good, because an emergency break in a metro is a bad idea anyway.
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< 1509308412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi, fungot
< 1509308412 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
< 1509308442 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot style is a bit to fungotty
< 1509308442 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( c) a player resigns from an office has whatever duties, then 3 extra " 0" and ( down-from n ( 0
< 1509308450 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1509308450 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1509308462 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron
< 1509308462 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset)
< 1509308528 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp home
< 1509308536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coruscant:Trantor is a planet covered entirely by a city. It is the capital of the Galactic Empire, and the home for the biggest library in it. \ farbfeld:zzo38's Farbfeld utilities is a package of command-line programs (with rather strange command-line syntax) for manipulating images in a specific raw format called farbfeld. It's somewhat underdoc
< 1509308617 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? whom
< 1509308619 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: who
< 1509308623 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? who
< 1509308625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about ancient cases anyway?
< 1509308630 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1509309805 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have source codes of bdftopcf and pcftobdf programs? This way, can learn working of such format, to make program that can make PCF fonts; I can also then add the support into SDLTERM (which currently does not support custom fonts; it only has a single built-in font).
< 1509309928 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me check, the debian package repository probably knows which package they come from and where their source is
< 1509309972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bdftopcf&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any says it's the xfonts-utils package
< 1509310043 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Re: Who cares about ancient cases anyway? / To whom it may concern...
< 1509310043 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1509310047 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which links to https://www.x.org/releases/individual/app/ for tarballs
< 1509310050 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^
< 1509310327 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks
< 1509310588 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has become of xlswins?
< 1509310611 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know how to get the missing patch files for WildMIDI? I noticed some are missing, and perhaps that is why some MIDI files won't play properly.
< 1509310693 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that said, it's possible that bdftopcf is older than the whole x.org and it's inherinted those utilities mostly unchanged from ancient X11
< 1509310724 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about xlswins or WildMIDI or MIDI in general
< 1509310749 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suspect that was for you
< 1509311121 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. X11R5: "xlswins has been removed; it is replaced by xwininfo -tree."
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< 1509311229 0 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A extended pcf format can be made up, with two additional tables, which are the ligature/kern table and the extended character table. These tables are used only if ligature mode is activated in the program that selects these fonts, and the extended character table is then used when the ligature/kern table references it.
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< 1509311538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it can be good?
< 1509311637 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see a point. just use the modern formats like otf. they can store graymap images, even though that rarely gets used these days, or just hinted vector fonts.
< 1509311668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I want nice fonts with gray pixels, they are better than bitmaps, only much harder to make
< 1509311683 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, pcf was nice back in the slow computers and small memory devices, but these days we can have better
< 1509311685 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pure bitmap fonts; to me, I think they look better than graymaps.
< 1509311711 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look better than a lot of bad fonts, sure
< 1509311802 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, my suggestion for the new version of X protocol anyways, that the protocol doesn't care about the file format used for fonts, although pcf is a recommended format, it can support other formats too if they want to. However, two flags must be selected by the client that selects the font, which are EnableLigatures and EnableAntialiasing.
< 1509311845 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graymaps (or even full colours) can't be displayed if EnableAntialiasing is not set (in such case, it may hit to pure bitmaps instead), while astral Unicode characters won't be available if EnableLigatures is not set.
< 1509311928 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the server (or the font format) does not support those flags, they will simply be ignored, as though they aren't selected.)
< 1509312008 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like otf and that stuff, but this new proposed system nevertheless doesn't care and would be potentially capable of using them if you want to do.
< 1509312083 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you think this one can be good?
< 1509312213 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talked about this already. I answered that fonts are irrelevant for the X protocol these days. the X protocol just gets the client to map memory and graphics processor control for windows they have, and they do the rendering themselves in client-side stuff
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< 1509312314 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't work in case of remote clients though.
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< 1509313034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it still can work. it's just slower because the rendered pixmap stuff has to get forwarded through the network. the X server still doesn't know about client-side font rendering then.
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< 1509313168 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remote X still more or less works on modern systems, just like other kinds of remote desktops
< 1509313183 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work"
< 1509313196 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most modern programs it's a bandwidth hog.
< 1509313242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1509313250 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pay for transmitting fancy graphics
< 1509313252 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running things in Xvnc works much better. Or use xpra.
< 1509313257 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tone down the features in that case
< 1509313287 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really care about remote X
< 1509313423 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care a bit, though mostly for silly stuff. The main point is that I'm bandwidth limited at home, but not at work, so having a remote browser download stuff is convenient. And occasionally, links just doesn't do the trick and I resort to firefox in Xvnc.
< 1509313457 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok
< 1509313517 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the point is to save bandwidth, having 10MB transfer just for getting the browser window displayed once isn't good either... that's the order of magnitude I'm observing with dumb X forwarding.
< 1509313714 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes sense
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< 1509315494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making a program to render PC CGA screens (both text and graphics mode; both raw and BSAVE)
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< 1509317215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does PC have its own cursor blink logic instead of using the 6845 cursor blink logic?
< 1509317931 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because.
< 1509318140 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the question; from what I'm reading the text cursor *is* managed by the 6845 on CGA?
< 1509318298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cursor position is managed by 6845, but not the cursor blinking.
< 1509318327 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This can be seen if you look at the schematics.)
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< 1509319076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Challenger514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53312&oldid=53159 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+79) 10
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< 1509319301 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot
< 1509319302 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: a meeting.) if any of the ena and affiliated and unaffiliated with wptf on many california pipelines that could have helped the state had an outstanding season, finishing the facility that we
< 1509319326 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot again
< 1509319326 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: we end up the indemnity. aquila. 330853915 telex: inmarsat fax no. 713/ 646-7341 internal extension 33866 or kathy willard, vice president of the only one.
< 1509319343 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot one last time
< 1509319343 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: on an isda schedule/ credit, for the lessor of 40, where the above mentioned questions of the california legislature the generators that have previously, in notice to members PHASH 01-333 ( http://www.nymex.com/ refernce/ notices/ 2001
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< 1509322973 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: source international brotherhood of electrical workers. robert paul, and were not written, the group." photo of the account on the deal for the troubled power grid to them to do the best for you.
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< 1509326388 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is good, they made the IBM PC technical reference book. If I make up the new computer, the book would also include all of that stuff too; the complete description of all memory map, hardware registers, schematics, BIOS source codes, instruction set, video interface, etc.
< 1509326408 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, I think would be good idea; it should be needing to have.
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< 1509338677 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program called DRAWX; its .DRX file format seems to be just the raw screen data with no header. (I wrote a program just now to display raw PC screen data, and it does display.)
< 1509338717 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least this is true for CGA modes; I don't know about EGA, VGA, and Hercules modes.)
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< 1509342907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my Farbfeld Utilities package includes programs for reading thirteen formats and for writing eleven formats (in both cases, not counting farbfeld, which all the programs in the package support anyways).
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< 1509360902 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:hallucination//You are just imagining this wisdom entry. \ `3//`3 is the obvious generalization of `2 or `4, trying too hard to confuse everyone. \ chuchichäschtli//chuchichäschtli is spoken as [ˈχʊχːiˌχæʃːtli] \ integer//An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line fee
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< 1509360904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:d. \ alumni//Alumni is a compromise spelling suggested to solve the aluminum vs aluminium debate that never really caught on, except in a few big colleges.
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< 1509364395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonäs
< 1509364398 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1509364805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1509364845 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't expect that to be a b_jonasdom.
< 1509364930 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re cursor blinking, is that about the orignal PC?
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< 1509372813 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! we must be in the future. the FSzEK library now accepts online payments for my late library loans.
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< 1509373306 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tick tock tick tock... oh that kind of library.
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< 1509378940 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes this cursor blinking I wrote about the original PC.
< 1509378968 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe it is because they want the cursor blinking to be synchronized with the text blinking.
< 1509379067 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have syncopated it 
< 1509379275 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, the way they implemented it, means, cannot make non-blinking cursor.
< 1509379328 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I suppose you could still turn on the 6845 cursor blinking too, and then the cursor might be result strangely blink.)
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< 1509380075 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know some thing about the PC CGA, maybe, you can see if my program for rendering a picture from the data for CGA into farbfeld, is good or has something wrong with it. One thing I notice is that the picture isn't centred, but I don't know if it is supposed to be centre or not.
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< 1509381557 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a wiki for esoteric chess variants
< 1509381921 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but, you can make up a esoteric chess variant if you like to; just make the text file, I suppose.
< 1509382013 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where do you keep all your chess variants so that people looking for chess variants can find them?
< 1509382571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them I just wrote on paper and haven't put it into the computer.
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< 1509383954 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dimension X seems like a pretty fun variant
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< 1509390794 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found yet another place with digital versions of the ed. Iványi ''Algorithms of informatics'' book. 
< 1509390804 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/hu/tartalom/tamop425/0046_algorithms_of_informatics_volume1/adatok.html http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/hu/tartalom/tamop425/0046_algorithms_of_informatics_volume2/adatok.html http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/hu/tartalom/tamop425/0046_algorithms_of_informatics_volume3/adatok.html
< 1509390820 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are probably the latest English versions, but the formatting doesn't seem to be so great
< 1509390980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why the border of the CGA picture is not uniform? Is it supposed to be like that?
< 1509391008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe you have the sync signals in it?
< 1509391083 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I thought I made it so that the duration of the sync signals does not output any pixels, and only marks from one scanline to the next one.
< 1509391310 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe I did it wrong?
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< 1509391982 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you're passing the signal through a noisy analog cable
< 1509391995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something is changing the border color within a frame
< 1509392012 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the source-codes of the program "bdftopcf" but it doesn't actually have the implementation of the format; it seem to call other library to do that.
< 1509392096 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I implemented it entirely by software emulation, so that can't be the problem.
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< 1509398439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. "System peripheral: Intel Corporation Skylake Gaussian Mixture Model".
< 1509398449 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what that's all about.
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< 1509401714 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jece/2013/129589/ perhaps
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< 1509404966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also https://sigport.org/documents/implementation-efficient-low-power-deep-neural-networks-next-generation-intel-client https://sigport.org/sites/default/files/docs/PosterFinal.pdf
< 1509405001 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much documentation, but I guess it's only meant to be used via Intel's SDK thingummies.
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< 1509407593 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Truttle1 5*  10New user account
< 1509408080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53313&oldid=53267 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+267) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1509414379 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SMATINY14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53314&oldid=31904 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-13) 10/* External resources */ had old link
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< 1509438649 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy programmer christmas
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< 1509443520 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude
< 1509443855 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
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< 1509444083 0 :relrod_!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host
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< 1509444204 0 :relrod_!?@? NICK :relrod
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< 1509447604 0 :Effilry!?@? NICK :FireFy
< 1509447607 0 :FireFy!?@? NICK :FireFly
< 1509448912 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1509448912 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: could we schedule more out of an input cost basis for the charge to the will of the attached to the four ( 4) on dwr's power purchase and sale of power, to create the need to: call today
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< 1509449294 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :sdclaw
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< 1509451342 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1509451853 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1509454017 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1509455992 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7723.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1509457216 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1509458497 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1509459125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SMATINY14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53315&oldid=53314 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */ Those aren't very external and the archive has moved
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< 1509462210 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:9094:121e:2737:5c9e QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1509475881 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:a484:5804:6f9e:4e5b JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1509478499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening to 猫しCorp. when suddenly I hear a familiar voice https://youtu.be/huctiWGZkt8?t=19m36s
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< 1509481985 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
< 1509484290 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dqnlppdeevouwwuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1509485867 0 :Taneboween!?@? NICK :Taneb
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< 1509487945 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the values of resistors R3, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, and R10, of PC CGA schematics?
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< 1509488517 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spooky pumpkin.
< 1509488518 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( in the from a free deluxe, which the power of the option of going the opposite of what to do."
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< 1509494216 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1509494259 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoopoily
< 1509494334 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!