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00:00:30 <HackEgo> pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas
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00:10:37 <boily> @metar CYUL
00:10:38 <lambdabot> CYUL 160000Z 01008KT 15SM BKN035 OVC050 M11/M14 A2983 RMK SC7SC1 SLP105
00:10:47 <boily> it's relatively warm!
00:10:58 <boily> there's sushi in my mouth, so it's a nice Friday.
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00:34:04 <quintopia> ah you must have sent all the cold wind our way. it's getting harder to predict how much coat i'll need on a given day.
00:34:37 <quintopia> how's the fam?
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00:43:58 <boily> still being schizophrened by the weather?
00:44:16 <boily> the fam goes well, more snow at my parents' place.
00:44:29 <boily> how's the relativity on your end?
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01:10:28 <quintopia> same as always
01:11:12 <quintopia> boily: do you desire writing code recreationally at all these days?
01:11:25 <boily> not really :/
01:12:01 <boily> although I'm spending time and energy to bring Glorious ATDD into the heart of my unsuspecting coworkers.
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01:32:27 <boily> I'm also exploring Spring. very Java. much unesoteric.
01:34:35 <boily> it's... quite interesting the way it's organised. everything is magicked away and it works?
01:34:57 <boily> not sure I can trust all the myriads of plenties of endless annotations.
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01:57:48 <quintopia> sounds boring
01:57:51 <quintopia> :P
01:58:19 <quintopia> do you do much recreationally beyond eating and tile-shuffling?
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02:16:03 <boily> it's fascinating! don't you get all fuzzy at the sight of JPA?
02:16:12 <boily> design patterns?
02:16:23 <boily> enterprise software architecture!
02:16:48 <boily> I also shuffle Magic decks and cook.
02:24:28 <zzo38> I was inventing Pokemon mahjong game, one thing is that in case of a exhausive draw if you have tenpai you may be able to earn a stone (including level stone and trade stone). Due to different stone may be more usable than the other stone, I can use what my brother has suggested, to arrange them in tiers, for example you can trade two tier 0 stones for a tier 1 stone.
02:25:04 <zzo38> Or, alternatively, when you get a new stone, if you already have one you may upgrade that one instead if you meet the prerequisites for the new one.
02:38:07 <quintopia> boily: planning on seeing stair wares?
02:38:34 <boily> ...???
02:41:04 <quintopia> ishtar whirrs?
02:41:13 <quintopia> the lisp jetty
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02:57:43 * boily is confused. it's supper effective!
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02:59:32 <wright> ay, wonderin'
02:59:44 <wright> are there any esolangs that experiment with the idea of uh
03:00:01 <wright> "getting" whatever variables from a function instead of the function returning those vars
03:00:12 <wright> it's a totally useless concept but it could be fun to mess around with
03:00:41 <zzo38> I don't know, although it is possible that some might work that way even if it isn't based on that idea. If there isn't, you could make one up, I suppose.
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03:57:14 <quintopia> wright: never heard of such a thing. not even sure what it means to be honest?
04:02:36 <wright> ah, forgot to check back here!
04:03:32 <wright> quintopia: it's a simple and kind-of-weird idea, i'll just put down a few lines on hastebin to explain it
04:03:33 <shachaf> wright: Well, there's always Prolog.
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04:19:06 <wright> Alright, got it: https://hastebin.com/zamuvoqewe.py
04:19:15 <wright> very underdeveloped idea and totally impractical but yknow
04:19:27 <wright> quintopia: see above :]
04:19:52 <wright> shachaf: ..I looked at prolog in like 8th grade and it was too screwy for me to 'get' at the time
04:20:27 <shachaf> Prolog is good.
04:20:36 <wright> but I should probably look at it again
04:20:49 <wright> does its whole system of doing things facilitate something like what I'm thinking of?
04:21:34 <shachaf> You can write, for example, append([1,2],[3,4],X) to make X be [1,2,3,4]
04:21:51 <shachaf> But you can also write append([1,2],X,[1,2,3,4]) to make X be [3,4]
04:22:18 <shachaf> Or append(X,[3,4],[1,2,3,4]), of course.
04:22:44 <wright> oh well that's intriguing
04:23:47 <shachaf> Or append(X,X,[1,2,1,2]) or whatever
04:24:35 <fizzie> Prolog is the language that says "no" a lot.
04:25:06 <shachaf> Seems like in your Python example you can just put "return locals()" at the end of every function.
04:25:28 <shachaf> And then use func(5)['local_var'] and so on.
04:25:48 <wright> oo good call
04:27:18 <fizzie> MATLAB had some weird things going on with variable scope, though not like that.
04:27:27 <shachaf> fizzie: someone who is good at relations please help me satisfy this. my family is dying
04:28:48 <fizzie> I think I was thinking of stuff like assignin('caller', 'foo', 123);
04:29:03 <fizzie> Which assigns a value into a variable of the calling function.
04:29:10 <wright> well hopefully nobody's going to try making practical use of the concept (lol) but I actually hadn't realized, it really is just having every function return all of its locals
04:30:20 <wright> which in turn proves its total impracticality, esp if you've got some large function with a ton of local variables that really don't need to be passed around
04:30:24 <wright> oh that's a neat idea
04:32:17 <fizzie> https://uk.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/assignin.html https://uk.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/evalin.html I like how the documentation doesn't even hint at that not necessarily being a great idea. It's even called "particularly useful".
04:32:32 <fizzie> Anyway, 4:30am is probably not the time for this.
04:34:44 <shachaf> fizzie: Glad to hear that you can't evalin inside another evalin.
04:34:48 <shachaf> @time fizzie
04:34:48 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Sat Dec 16 04:34:48 2017
04:34:55 <shachaf> apparentl it is the time for this hth
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04:56:59 <zzo38> JavaScript and other program languages have objects that you can assign into, and even in C you can have a struct that you can assign into. A function defined inside of that one can also read/write its local variables (even after the outer function has returned); GNU C also has something similar (but cannot be used once the outer function is finished).
04:59:36 <zzo38> By looking at those documentation, even MATLAB is having nested functions too, and can share variables too.
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05:54:28 <esowiki> [[Talk:BFX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53620 * Zzo38 * (+127) Created page with "Why do you care if they are signed or unsigned? --~~~~"
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06:49:36 <zzo38> Finally, Farbfeld Utilities now can read one more file format.
07:05:14 <esowiki> [[Lost]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53621&oldid=53320 * Wheatwizard * (+22) Fixed two code blocks
07:28:10 <esowiki> [[Lost]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53622&oldid=53621 * Wheatwizard * (+2489) Added a tutorial
07:32:50 <esowiki> [[Lost]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53623&oldid=53622 * Wheatwizard * (+164) Added to Categories
07:35:54 <esowiki> [[Klein]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53624&oldid=52013 * Wheatwizard * (+164) Added to categories
07:37:09 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53625&oldid=53608 * Wheatwizard * (+11) Added Lost
07:47:16 <esowiki> [[Lost]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53626&oldid=53623 * Wheatwizard * (+30) Added Nondeterministic
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09:39:37 <esowiki> [[User:Wheatwizard]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53627 * Wheatwizard * (+1160) Created page with "I'm WheatWizard, I'm primarily active on [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/56656/ PPCG]. My favorite esolang is [[Brain-Flak]], and I help maintain its the [https://gi..."
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11:38:10 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53628&oldid=53625 * Ais523 * (+15) /* B */ +[[BuzzFizz]]
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12:07:20 <esowiki> [[BuzzFizz]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53629 * Ais523 * (+6090) new language!
12:07:47 <esowiki> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53630&oldid=53461 * Ais523 * (+14) +[[BuzzFizz]]
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12:15:21 <esowiki> [[Talk:Disan Count]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53631&oldid=53603 * Ais523 * (+1372) one example is still not going to prove TCness (if it's not an interpreter for a TC language); here's a counterexample, plus an elaboration on the general point
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12:19:28 <ais523> is anyone here aware of any other language with an if-if-else statement?
12:19:41 <ais523> it seems like the sort of thing that must surely have been invented before
12:20:12 <ais523> to be honest I just added it to make writing FizzBuzz easier, because if you're going to optimize for popular problems you may as well make them look good
12:22:03 <esowiki> [[BuzzFizz]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53632&oldid=53629 * Ais523 * (-2) /* Computational class */ fix plural
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12:22:53 <int-e> ais523: does Lisp's "cond" count?
12:22:57 <ais523> also people hardly ever make LBAs (although there was one just last month), and this fell into the class naturally
12:23:11 <ais523> int-e: isn't that an if-else if-else?
12:23:24 <ais523> i.e. if both guards are true it only runs the first branch
12:23:31 <Slereah_> what do you mean by if if else
12:23:34 <ais523> an if-if-else runs both the first two branches if both guards are true
12:23:45 <ais523> and the third branch only if both are false
12:24:04 <int-e> then, no, I don't know such a thing
12:24:08 <Slereah_> Seems a bit superfluous?
12:24:14 <ais523> you can think of it as the "FizzBuzz control structure"; first guard fizzes, second buzzes
12:24:50 <ais523> I'm not sure how useful it is outside writing fizzbuzz
12:27:45 <ais523> it's very useful in buzzfizz because you can't put two statements inside the same if guard
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12:27:58 <ais523> so you normally use an if-if-if-…-else with the same guard on each if
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12:42:49 <fizzie> @tell ais523 I think I remember seeing a language with an "otherwise" statement that'd execute if none of the previous conditions matched, but would still run all the previous conditions.
12:42:49 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:42:53 <fizzie> @tell ais523 Unfortunately I can't seem to find it; all the "otherwise"s I can find (SQL, XSLT) seem to have the conventional switch / if-elseif-else style.
12:42:53 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:42:56 <fizzie> @tell ais523 Though arguably sed's s///-s///-t is an if-if-else.
12:42:56 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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12:53:44 <fizzie> `` seq 15 | sed -e 'g;s/^/x/;h;tx;:x;s/^\(xxx\)*$/Fizz/;G;s/\n\(xxxxx\)*$/Buzz/;Ty;s/[\nx]//g;p;d;:y;s/[^x]//g;s/xx/x/g'
12:53:45 <HackEgo> x \ xx \ Fizz \ xxxx \ Buzz \ Fizz \ xxxxxxx \ xxxxxxxx \ Fizz \ Buzz \ xxxxxxxxxxx \ Fizz \ xxxxxxxxxxxxx \ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx \ FizzBuzz
12:53:59 <fizzie> @tell ais523 `` seq 15 | sed -e 'g;s/^/x/;h;tx;:x;s/^\(xxx\)*$/Fizz/;G;s/\n\(xxxxx\)*$/Buzz/;Ty;s/[\nx]//g;p;d;:y;s/[^x]//g;s/xx/x/g'
12:53:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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15:21:51 <wob_jonas> fizzie: the next page links in the daily logs are broken (the previous page links do work)
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15:47:06 <zzo38> Well, there is also the method used here: \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye
16:00:36 * ATMunn should be more active in this channel
16:02:56 <zzo38> If you have something to write about, then to do so, please.
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17:14:07 <zzo38> We need to have true net neutrality, meaning there can be no discrimination based on: protocol, address, port number, direction (incoming vs outgoing connections), file type, location, etc
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17:16:29 <wob_jonas> hi guys
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17:18:50 <wob_jonas> I'm going to upgrade the OS on my home computer from debian 8 to debian 9 (stretch). If I disappear, then I broke my system somehow.
17:19:51 <wob_jonas> I've checked my recovery options, I can boot and access the main file system from both (1) a tiny netinstaller image on the hard disk, and (2) an installer CD. So if I render my system temporarily unbootable, I can use those.
17:20:09 <wob_jonas> The easiest way to mess up an upgrade is to get a power outage at the wrong stage, I hear.
17:20:23 <wob_jonas> Any parting words you want to tell me before I start the upgrade? You still have some time.
17:21:55 <zzo38> How long do you expect it to take?
17:22:01 <wob_jonas> Also, I seriously don't understand how /etc/apt/sources.list works. It contains arcane incantations that I can't decode, and no docs explain it properly
17:22:38 <wob_jonas> zzo38: I've no clue, it's been lots of years since I've done a dist-upgrade, and that was like three debian versions ago
17:23:06 <wob_jonas> I'd guess two hours for the downloads and installs itself, then days to fix everything that broke.
17:23:57 <wob_jonas> Also six minutes to copy the new kernel to the boot partition and reboot
17:24:25 <zzo38> I currently have nothing else I can think of right now
17:24:52 <wob_jonas> Also, I should buy a new computer, but that's sort of a different matter.
17:25:07 <wob_jonas> Except if I render the system unbootable then it will be harder to shop for a new computer.
17:29:00 <wob_jonas> Ok, I'm rebooting to single user mode now and then start the dist-upgrade
17:29:02 <wob_jonas> bye
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17:34:19 <nc_jonas> apt-get dist-upgrade started. it's downloading packages now.
17:35:35 <zzo38> I can suggest a new MIME header which could be used on NNTP messages (and other MIME messages) to specify what resource (identified by URI) it is a comment to, if applicable. Almost any URI scheme is valid (some, such as "about" and "file", do not normally make sense; "file" may still be usable on local systems though)
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17:37:04 <nc_jonas> download says "34%"
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17:41:21 <nc_jonas> download complete. that was quick. now for the slow part, installing all the packages.
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17:50:19 <nc_jonas> It's actually upgrading the base packages now, like libc.
17:50:40 <nc_jonas> sorry for the join spam by the way
17:51:42 <nc_jonas> Installing systemd now
17:52:07 <nc_jonas> No wait, not installing systemd
17:52:25 <nc_jonas> Just handling triggers for systemd to upgrade configuration files or something
17:52:39 <nc_jonas> It's installing libreoffice now
17:53:09 <nc_jonas> I think it has a heuristic to install stuff the starts with "lib" first, which is why libreoffice comes so early
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18:00:01 <nc_jonas> It's isntalling some kde and wayland stuff now
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18:02:58 <int-e> . o O ( waylaying X11 )
18:04:25 <nc_jonas> I'm seeing some warnings scrolling by
18:09:35 <zzo38> I don't like Wayland so much I think X is better (although, there are a few problem, I have written about how to fix them)
18:10:03 <nc_jonas> sure, X keeps being installed, it's just installing wayland so you can run wayland programs on X or something
18:10:43 <nc_jonas> really I'm not sure how it works. there are thousands of packages and I don't recognize what most of them does. I've seen it installed octave, and magickwand
18:10:57 <nc_jonas> but there are lots of other packages that I don't know about
18:11:15 <nc_jonas> now it's installing texlive stuff, that's always large
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18:25:04 <nc_jonas> still installing more and packages
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18:27:21 <nc_jonas> It just installed a new version of gzip :-)
18:27:47 <nc_jonas> or probably just a new binary build of the same version
18:29:28 <nc_jonas> ``` dateu # are you here, hackego?
18:29:29 <HackEgo> 2017-12-16 18:28:40.740654000+00:00
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18:37:31 <nc_jonas> I'll come back later when it's finished these installs. Then I'll install the kernel and check what it's telling me about remaining unsatisfied dependencies
18:40:56 <nc_jonas> Hmm, it may have finished unpacking the packages, and is at the "Setting up" stage now
18:41:07 <nc_jonas> Then I might have to look for prompts
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18:48:34 <nc_jonas> still setting up packages
18:52:58 <nc_jonas> Ok, it's giving the interactive questions now
18:55:27 <nc_jonas> Nope, only one interactive question, then continuing to set up packages
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19:24:41 <nc_jonas> the dist-upgrade command ended, now I'm installing the kernel then checking what errors it enocountered
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19:31:43 <nc_jonas> the main install is done, but I haven't rebooted yet. I'm doing cleanup stuff now.
19:32:08 <nc_jonas> removing the obsolete packages, then let's see what the errors are it encounters with partly installed packages
19:32:28 <esowiki> [[BuzzFizz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53633&oldid=53632 * Oerjan * (+36) /* Computational class */ Corrections (the original is wrong because \ can be used with constant second argument)
19:34:40 <nc_jonas> some error about acpid, but I think that will clear after I redo it with the new kernel
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19:41:35 <nc_jonas> I rebooted to the new kernel, now I'm fixing everything the upgrade broke
19:41:48 <nc_jonas> or at least starting to, I'll encounter more later probably
19:43:17 <nc_jonas> yep, the acpid thing installed now
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19:44:40 <oerjan> r.i.p.
19:46:57 <int-e> running in pyjamas
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19:54:18 <int-e> `le/rn rip//R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
19:54:20 <HackEgo> Learned 'rip': R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
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19:55:31 <int-e> `grwp repro
19:55:32 <HackEgo> zygohistomorphic prepromorphism:A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor.
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20:00:56 <nc_jonas> There's some problem with switching between X and console, it can end up in a wedged state when there's no screen or terminal or anything so I have to reboot
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20:13:32 <oerjan> `? r.i.p.
20:13:33 <HackEgo> r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:14:16 <int-e> `` ln -s rip wisdom/r.i.p.
20:14:18 <HackEgo> No output.
20:14:46 <fizzie> @tell wob_jonas Thanks for the report. Looks like I dropped the .html prefix when rejiggling some code.
20:14:46 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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20:15:25 <fizzie> @tell wob_jonas s/prefix/suffix/
20:15:25 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:18:12 <zseri> `? r.i.p.
20:18:13 <HackEgo> R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
20:19:17 <oerjan> int-e: symlink wisdoms might be a bit brittle if people edit...
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20:20:10 <oerjan> (also there's an issue with `revert)
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20:29:00 <oerjan> `? `revert
20:29:01 <HackEgo> ​`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See <http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/>. It is a builtin command so cannot be called from other commands.
20:29:41 <oerjan> `url
20:29:41 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
20:30:35 <oerjan> `slwd `revert//s,http.*bot,https://hackego.esolangs.org,
20:30:37 <HackEgo> ​`revert//`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See <https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/>. It is a builtin command so cannot be called from other commands.
20:30:54 <oerjan> wait, does that still work
20:31:20 <oerjan> seems so
20:31:35 <fizzie> Yes, the hackego. domain is still pointing at the CaC host.
20:31:50 <fizzie> We haven't discussed if HackEgo should move or not.
20:32:15 <fizzie> Given how, well, hacky it is, maybe that's a reasonable place.
20:32:20 <oerjan> HackEgo: are you feeling more speedy now
20:33:02 <fizzie> But I repurposed the web server as http://experimental.esolangs.org/ so that, if I have some configuration changes or MediaWiki upgrades, I can deploy them there first.
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20:33:25 <oerjan> aha
20:33:26 <constant> 1638: 0.185876697 openat(AT_FDCWD,"/root/.emacs.d/init.elc",O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC,00) ERR#13 'Permission denied'
20:33:29 <constant> woops
20:33:30 <constant> wrong channel
20:34:25 <ais523> hmm, that looks like strace but the output format is slightly different
20:34:30 <ais523> maybe it's strace on non-Linux
20:34:46 <constant> truss output
20:35:20 <oerjan> fizzie: fancy
20:35:48 <fizzie> oerjan: Feels very professional and all, to not test in production.
20:40:14 <int-e> oerjan: well I for one am inclined to wait for the symlink to break
20:41:16 <int-e> `` rm canary wisdom/r.i.p.
20:41:18 <HackEgo> No output.
20:41:20 * int-e runs
20:41:34 <int-e> `` chmod -r canary
20:41:36 <HackEgo> No output.
20:41:38 <int-e> `? r.i.p.
20:41:40 <HackEgo> R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
20:41:54 <int-e> oh?
20:42:02 <int-e> that's interesting.
20:42:12 <int-e> I thought that's how you break them
20:42:44 <int-e> `paste wisdom/r.i.p.
20:42:46 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/r.i.p.
20:47:11 <fizzie> Best company name seen in the new Star Wars movie credits: "We Shoot Lasers Limited". (Mentioned for LIDAR services.)
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20:56:20 <constant> fizzie: lol
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21:00:25 <int-e> here's a puzzle: what does "0ab 0bc 0cd 0de 0ea aBb bCc cDd dEe eAa aAB bBC cCD dDE eEA 1BA 1CB 1DC 1ED 1AE" encode?
21:04:18 <ais523> it looks like esolang code, but it's too symmetrical
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21:07:32 <int-e> Oh I think I have messed this up, which would make the puzzle impossible. I'm trying to specify the corners of a dodecahedron.
21:10:45 <ais523> no, I think that's correct? assuming it is genuinely symmetrical
21:10:46 <int-e> No, I got lucky, that appears to be correct.
21:11:18 <int-e> But I was working from a wrong picture, so I had reason to be skeptical :)
21:16:44 <oerjan> `` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
21:16:46 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 20:40 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
21:16:50 <oerjan> hm
21:16:58 <oerjan> okay then
21:17:33 <oerjan> int-e: maybe it's been fixed in hg, istr fizzie upgraded at one point.
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21:18:22 <int-e> yes, maybe.
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21:22:18 <oerjan> or maybe that other bugfix for `revert also fixed that
21:22:56 <fizzie> I don't think I fixed anything specifically for symlinks, but I did fix one or two other revert-related things. Who knows. It's a mystery.
21:22:58 <oerjan> `forget r.i.p.
21:23:00 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove ‘wisdom/r.i.p.’: No such file or directory \ Forget what?
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21:23:08 <oerjan> `wat
21:23:10 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wat: not found
21:23:31 <oerjan> `? r.i.p.
21:23:33 <HackEgo> r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:23:37 <oerjan> `? rip
21:23:39 <HackEgo> R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
21:23:42 <oerjan> `revert
21:23:43 <HackEgo> abort: Permission denied: /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/canary
21:23:50 <oerjan> huh
21:23:54 <oerjan> `url
21:23:56 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
21:24:30 <oerjan> ic
21:24:50 <oerjan> it's gone, and the repository browser hasn't noticed
21:25:02 <oerjan> `? r.i.p.
21:25:05 <HackEgo> r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:25:14 <oerjan> hmmm
21:25:25 <oerjan> `` ls -l canary
21:25:26 <HackEgo> ​--w------- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 16 20:40 canary
21:25:31 <shachaf> rejoice in pooches
21:25:41 <oerjan> `` chmod +r canary
21:25:43 <HackEgo> No output.
21:26:16 <oerjan> the repository browser still sees nothing
21:26:19 <oerjan> `` ls -l canary
21:26:20 <HackEgo> ​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 16 20:40 canary
21:26:24 <oerjan> `revert
21:26:26 <HackEgo> Done.
21:26:49 <oerjan> `revert
21:26:50 <HackEgo> Done.
21:27:41 <oerjan> `? r.i.p.
21:27:42 <HackEgo> R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
21:27:50 <oerjan> `` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
21:27:51 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 21:24 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
21:28:01 <oerjan> ok it got restored into a symlink
21:28:24 <oerjan> so that particular bug is gone, but other things remain crazy hth
21:28:40 <fizzie> Oh, again with the weird modes.
21:29:03 <fizzie> I'm guessing "abort: Permission denied: /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/canary" is because of that.
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21:29:09 <oerjan> me too
21:29:16 <ais523> that canary can be a lot of fun sometimes
21:29:44 <oerjan> `forget r.i.p.
21:29:46 <HackEgo> Forget what?
21:30:05 <oerjan> `revert
21:30:06 <HackEgo> Done.
21:30:12 <oerjan> `? r.i.p.
21:30:13 <HackEgo> R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
21:30:20 <oerjan> `` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
21:30:21 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 21:29 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
21:30:27 <int-e> yay.
21:30:37 <oerjan> ok it seems it behaves sanely when canary isn't broken
21:30:59 <oerjan> (that showed up in the browser)
21:31:17 <fizzie> Any issue that messes the ability of "hg status -rumad" + remove all mentioned files + "hg up -C" to restore the working copy to exactly match the repository contents is likely to leave it in a weird state.
21:32:00 <int-e> oerjan: fwiw, other two reverts also showed up in the repo browser for me, even before you changed the canary permissions
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21:32:30 <oerjan> int-e: yes, but the command that removed r.i.p. initially did not
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21:32:49 <int-e> ahok
21:33:08 <oerjan> nor did my attempts to put it back, before fixing canary
21:33:47 <oerjan> well, presumably because the repository never noticed it was gone
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22:37:46 <Aquenaton> \o/
22:38:30 <izabera> did you know that the B. in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot ?
22:38:59 <zzo38> No, I don't know that
22:39:16 <zzo38> ?messages-loud
22:39:16 <lambdabot> shachaf asked 1d 18h 37m 13s ago: Do you like KOI-8?
22:39:25 <zzo38> I answered that question already
22:40:54 <shachaf> I know.
22:42:38 <Aquenaton> bit
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23:34:15 <quintopia> oerjan: do you agree with ais523 that BuzzFizz is not LBA-complete?
23:34:32 <quintopia> I cannot suss out the intuition
23:34:37 <function> LBA complete?
23:34:39 * function dumb
23:35:24 <int-e> linear bounded automaton, apparently
23:35:49 <function> ah
23:35:57 <function> those I've heard of
23:46:52 <int-e> hmm, what happens on division by 0?
23:49:52 <quintopia> good question. on previous languages, ais523 has included the disclaimer "anything not expressly described as accepted behavior is an error" or something to that effect. my best guess would be "it crashes the program"
23:56:23 <oerjan> 0 divides nothing else and is divided by everything.
23:56:35 <oerjan> that's the usual math answer.
23:56:58 <quintopia> it would be a nice thing to be stated explicitly in this case
23:57:00 <quintopia> but nvm
23:57:11 <quintopia> do you understand the intuition for sub-LBA-completeness?
23:57:23 <int-e> no.
23:59:22 <int-e> I suspect that it's sufficient to supply the program with a binary string as a natural number, plus a constant value 2^(kn) to delimit the space.
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