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00:30:52 <\oren\_> shachaf: how is environmental station alpha? I haven't played it yet
00:39:20 <oerjan> . o O ( you should wait until it's at least beta )
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01:02:39 <shachaf> \oren\_: Seems to have some minor issues under WINE
01:02:55 <shachaf> Still probably playable? But I got annoyed and scrapped.
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06:43:41 <shachaf> @tell ais523 whoa whoa whoa, https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/unstable-mechanics-2017-11-13
06:43:47 <shachaf> I may be behind the times.
06:49:23 <pikhq> One thing to note: the contraptions are not silver-bordered cards.
06:50:33 <shachaf> I imagine they still aren't legal in any format, though, unless they're reprinted in another set?
06:50:59 <shachaf> I just heard about this new unset
06:51:29 <shachaf> Garbage Elemental seems like a good card.
06:51:33 <pikhq> There's no way to assemble a contraption in black-bordered Magic ATM, so even *if* you brought a contraption deck into a Vintage game you couldn't do anything with them.
06:53:03 <shachaf> Oh, the cards that assemble contraptions are still silver-bordered?
06:53:57 <pikhq> From an interview with Maro, the design of the contraptions and their mechanics are supposed to be something they at least *could* put into black-bordered Magic at some point.
06:54:47 <pikhq> So it's half a joke because Un-, and half a design experiment to see if people like playing with it.
06:55:44 <shachaf> I haven't looked at that many of the cards but this unset seems to have more of a real set feel than previous ones.
06:55:57 <shachaf> The mechanics seem plausible or nearly plausible
06:56:09 <shachaf> Maybe most of the old sets were that way too and I just know the extreme cases
06:56:59 <pikhq> This un- set was designed to be drafted by itself; previous sets were designed to only ever be drafted as a single pack added to a draft.
06:57:07 <pikhq> (and even the latter as an afterthought)
06:58:27 <pikhq> Some of the individual mechanics in this are a touch weird, still.
06:58:42 <pikhq> But on the whole I think it's more "normal" because it's supposed to be played all on its own.
07:01:23 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439497 Also, I love this card.
07:04:09 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439617 And this one's pretty normal mechanically, except it's apparently a god-damned headache to rewrite the comprehensive rules to allow for it.
07:04:52 <shachaf> I thought that mechanic was already printed once?
07:05:25 <pikhq> Maro *tried* to print it in Future Sight.
07:05:34 <shachaf> Oh, right, it was only discussed.
07:06:40 <pikhq> Probably the biggest rules-headache mechanic in this, though, is deceptively simple.
07:06:46 <pikhq> You may have cards in hand that you do not own.
07:07:30 <pikhq> Yes. There's a card which lets you put target non-land permanent in *your* hand.
07:07:51 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439422
07:08:39 <pikhq> Though that is another card that does that thing, yes.
07:09:23 <pikhq> It sounds simple, but ow.
07:11:44 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439409
07:13:10 <pikhq> I'm glad that's only permanents.
07:13:22 <pikhq> It breaks things harder if it applies to spells and abilities.
07:18:16 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439486 I also like this one.
07:19:09 <pikhq> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439520 Also, Robo Rally the card.
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08:49:18 <shachaf> pikhq: Oh, there's http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&name=+[Very]+[Cryptic]+[Command] too
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08:49:51 <shachaf> https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 makes more sense with that in mind
08:49:57 <shachaf> Maybe it's intentionally cryptic
08:58:43 <shachaf> Also the draw ruling for The Countdown is At One at https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 doesn't make sense to me
08:58:51 <shachaf> Maybe they rewrote the card after writing that?
09:00:51 <shachaf> Ah, http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167777120838/is-the-faq-correct-about-the-countdown-is-at-one
09:07:42 <shachaf> Oh, I guess they're doing it on purpose
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09:21:22 <shachaf> pikhq: oh man, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439449
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09:35:03 <shachaf> Oh, and http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439452
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10:16:12 <shachaf> Ugh, there are a bunch of these
10:28:02 <shachaf> pikhq: Oh boy, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=X
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10:38:56 <shachaf> @tell zzo38 In https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 , an interpretation is given to "destroy target player"
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10:39:31 <shachaf> @tell zzo38 ( 16.06.17:23:16:04 <zzo38> (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.) )
10:40:46 <int-e> . o O ( suggesting that players are fleeting? )
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10:42:11 <shachaf> This new Unset is pretty good
10:42:16 <shachaf> I never heard about it until now
10:42:27 <ais523> wait, you've only just seen it? it's been out for a while
10:42:33 <ais523> there are some things there I'm dubious about
10:43:31 <shachaf> There are more interesting mechanics than "assemble a contraption", I think, though it's good to have a meaning for that
10:44:24 <shachaf> 16.06.26:18:46:07 <ais523> it probably doesn't work rules-grammatically, but the best design I've seen has "assemble a Contraption" mean "place a Contraption artifact token into play", and the cards that assemble contraptions have static abilities that grant abilities to contraptions
10:44:38 <shachaf> That was a pretty good guess
10:45:23 <shachaf> Oh, you've even talked about contraptions in this channel in November. I guess I wasn't looking.
10:45:31 <ais523> I'm actually upset with the way contraptions were done, because there doesn't seem to be any rules-mechanical reason for contraptions to be assembled /by/ a particular source
10:45:53 <shachaf> Yes, that's a bit strange.
10:46:03 <shachaf> Sometimes it says you assemble a contraption and sometimes it says a creature does it.
10:46:11 <ais523> and with the present design it'd be easy enough to make that work
10:46:27 <shachaf> But that could be different with future assemblers.
10:46:33 <ais523> I also strongly expected protection to protect a contraption from being assembled by a creature it had protection from, but that wouldn't work at all in the current ruels
10:47:05 <ais523> I also have a suspicion that unconstructed isn't very balanced
10:47:13 <ais523> even if you restrict it to just Unstable
10:47:17 <ais523> so it's probably a limited-only set
10:49:03 <ais523> apparently they errata'd the half-squirrel half-pony combo to not work, which was a) definitely needed but b) a sign that they didn't really test properly
10:49:49 <ais523> something like half the overly cheap instant win combos recently have involved infinitely blinking the same creature, so you think they'd have a check to catch repeatable blink effects /specifically/
10:51:56 <shachaf> I guess you can Summon the Pack and get an R&D's Secret Lair
10:52:44 <shachaf> I was surprised that they changed the Oracle text for Cheatyface.
10:53:06 <shachaf> Oh, they did it for all of Unhinged?
10:53:21 <shachaf> Now the cards refer to the battlefield and so on
10:53:59 <ais523> yes, they were really slow on that but they did it eventually
10:54:36 <ais523> they also errata'd R&D's Secret Lair as a joke, even though the errata wouldn't do anything (because IIRC it only works while the card's on the battlefield)
10:55:30 <shachaf> One of the Unstable cards lets you activate tap abilities in people's hands.
10:55:42 <shachaf> Well, only for that one specific card.
10:55:48 <ais523> there's no conceptual problem with that, just a logistical awkwardness
10:56:08 <ais523> the ninja card that can be in the hand and on the battlefield simultaneously is involved in a lot of "do weird thing X in zone Y" combos
10:56:31 <shachaf> "This mana is still added to your mana pool."
10:56:47 <shachaf> What is that even trying to change?
10:57:11 <ais523> which card's that on? Gatherer's down at the moment
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10:58:29 <ais523> what's the whole Oracle text?
10:59:04 <shachaf> "Play cards as written. Ignore all errata. Tap: Add Colorless to your mana pool. This mana is still added to your mana pool."
10:59:28 <ais523> oh, it's because you can't add {1} to your mana pool under modern rules, so it got errata'd to add {C}
10:59:40 <ais523> but if you ignore all errata, it'd go back to adding {1} which arguably doesn't work
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11:00:29 <shachaf> Oh, the rules don't allow that at all?
11:00:38 <shachaf> I guess that makes sense because all the Oracle texts were updated anyway.
11:01:12 <ais523> well, {1} simply isn't a type of mana, so what would it do?
11:01:25 <ais523> it's like trying to add {T} to your mana pool
11:01:31 <ais523> (which is totally something they should do in a future unset)
11:01:41 <shachaf> Right, it makes sense, I just hadn't thought about it.
11:02:08 <shachaf> If you add {T} and {Q} to your mana pool they can cancel out.
11:02:14 <shachaf> Do any uncards have negative mana?
11:23:48 <int-e> just add a {-} kind of mana that can't be held in the mana pool at the same time as any other mana
11:24:22 <int-e> but what's the point, they got rid of mana burn ages ago
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12:15:19 <esowiki> [[Tableaux]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53660 * Ais523 * (+17101) new language!
12:15:57 <esowiki> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53661&oldid=53630 * Ais523 * (+14) +[[Tableaux]]
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12:16:22 <ais523> I've been trying to pin down the details of that language for /ages/
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12:16:46 <ais523> there may well be bugs in the example programs because it's hard to reason about Tableaux and very hard to write an interpreter
12:17:03 <ais523> (well, impossible – it's uncomputable – but it should be possible to write an interpreter that works on many useful programs, just difficult)
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12:17:29 <ais523> in a way the language is closer to mathematics than most are, it's so high-level for a tarpit
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12:17:51 <ais523> "find a counterexample to the Erdős discrepancy problem" is not the sort of thing that can be easily expressed in brainfuck :-P
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12:48:35 <alercah> ais523: questions about tableaux: a) I think your "put it another way" confuses y and y' b) why is prefix-determinism not just saying that the tableaus are uniquely determined by the leftmost column, since it holds for all n?
12:51:55 <int-e> alercah: because the first element of the first column determines the whole first row
12:52:36 <int-e> alercah: which I found hard to understand in the formal definition (I didn't read it carefully enough), but it's kind of explained as part of the addition example
12:53:27 <alercah> then why is it expressed in terms of finite n
12:53:35 <alercah> rather than just saying that
12:53:52 <int-e> alercah: because it extends to arbitrary prefixes of the first column
12:54:25 <int-e> alercah: the values first n rows only depend on the first n entries of the first column, for any n. but that's basically how it's written
12:54:51 <int-e> who I scrambled that sentence a bit :)
12:58:00 <esowiki> [[Tableaux]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53662&oldid=53660 * Int-e * (+27) clarify
12:58:12 <ais523> alercah: it's stronger than saying that it's uniquely determined by the leftmost column
12:58:25 <ais523> it means that the first n rows are uniquely determined by their leftmost column
12:58:31 <alercah> I thought you said first n columns
12:58:50 <int-e> alercah: I hope it's clearer now.
12:59:19 <int-e> (because, in fact, I read "its first column" to refer to the tableau's first column...)
12:59:54 <int-e> And then, indeed, the ''n'' becomes quite useless.
13:01:54 <esowiki> [[Tableaux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53663&oldid=53662 * Int-e * (+1) add missing '
13:03:27 <int-e> (hmm, that message may be confusing because the effect is to change an y' into an y. In the source, they're ''y' and ''y''.)
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13:12:38 <ais523> int-e: right, figured it out
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13:43:03 <ais523> shachaf: in terms of un-cards, there are some I really don't like, e.g. Ol' Buzzbark not only causes a huge number of problems both in terms of rules and practicalities, but is apparently brokenly powerful too
13:44:06 <esowiki> [[APLWSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53665 * Weirdlang * (+309) Created page with "'''APLWSI''' ('''A Programming Language With Smallest Interpreter''') - very simple programming language. Any program in this language is comments. APLWSI interpreter is empty..."
13:45:55 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53666&oldid=53174 * Weirdlang * (+73)
13:47:15 <esowiki> [[Talk:APLWSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53667 * Ais523 * (+432) incompletely specified
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13:56:50 <oerjan> Merry Christmas to you latecomers
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14:00:32 <oerjan> hm only 7 nicks i know are bots, the channel is slipping. although a couple others look suspiciously botlike.
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14:02:10 <ais523> oerjan: did you see the new language I posted?
14:02:47 <ais523> it's an uncomputable tarpit, and incredibly powerful for a tarpit in terms of what programs you can write in it (this is probably related to the fact it's uncomputable)
14:02:50 <int-e> boily should revive metasepia
14:04:06 <ais523> I think the other bots got upset because people abused HackEgo for trivial things rather than esoprogramming
14:05:03 <ais523> anyway, my assessment of bots here: clog, esowiki, fungot, HackEgo, j-bot, lambdabot, zemhill_, so 7
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14:05:03 <fungot> ais523: just come up against the power switch, since there's so much more
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14:06:29 <ais523> oh well, fungot is right; we do have a lot more bots, we just have to turn them on
14:06:29 <fungot> ais523: that waz nice ( fin) it doesn't look like i did
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14:23:19 <int-e> ( which bot spams when I do this?
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15:06:36 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53668&oldid=53664 * Oerjan * (+1) That
15:06:57 <oerjan> 's a pretty bad time to accidentally press enter
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15:07:11 <oerjan> oh well the edit was right
15:17:40 <oerjan> ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer.
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15:18:20 <oerjan> modulo some off-by-one indexing errors
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15:32:07 <int-e> so N^+ x N -> N, hmm
15:44:00 <int-e> :t let tableau f cs x y = if x == 0 then cs !! y else f (take (y+1) cs) (x-1) in tableau
15:44:01 <lambdabot> (Eq t, Num t) => ([a] -> t -> a) -> [a] -> t -> Int -> a
15:45:12 <int-e> (idea: f defines the tableaux; cs is the first column)
15:51:58 <oerjan> cthulhu seems to always get the raw deal in irregular webcomic!.
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16:02:18 <pikhq> ais523: Humorously, the reason they didn't check for cheap instant win combos like that is *probably* pretty simple.
16:02:31 <pikhq> The set was completed in 2014 and shelved.
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16:50:08 <oerjan> argh my brain is _not_ ready to understand the tableaux examples.
16:56:26 <int-e> personally I'd turn the equation +[0, +[1,0]] = [0, 2+[1,0]] around, so that it becomes a recursive definition: tableau[0][x+2] = tableau[0][x+1]+1; note that tableau[0][1] is one of the inputs
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16:59:27 <int-e> but I guess addition isn't the real problem here...
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17:09:48 <int-e> oerjan: the @ are quite nasty, and the flow of information is evil as well
17:14:27 <ais523> <oerjan> ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer. ← oh, I like that
17:19:43 <int-e> ais523: is there a [0, 2+[1,0]] = [1, +[2,1]]; missing in the multiplication part of the compositeness test?
17:20:13 <ais523> int-e: no, I had to move it out of the @1
17:20:18 <ais523> because it refers to a line /before/ the mutliplier
17:20:45 <ais523> it's the [2, 3+[0,1]] = [1, 2+[2,0]] on the line above
17:21:05 <ais523> perhaps we need a more readable syntax for function arguments
17:21:28 <ais523> e.g. allowing decrements as well as increments if they'd be cancelled out by implicit increments
17:21:45 <ais523> unfortunately, tarpits tend to not be that readable no matter what you do
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18:22:25 <oerjan> . o O ( a bit too much waxing and waning, here )
18:26:18 <int-e> boily: didn't you mention reviving metasepia a while ago?
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18:30:22 <boily> I did mention it, and it's been haunting me since...
18:30:35 <boily> probably going to rewrite it in rust or something.
18:54:11 <oerjan> `learn The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words.
18:54:13 <HackEgo> Learned 'porthellingularity': The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words.
18:55:36 <oerjan> no, that's way too short tdnh
18:55:36 <shachaf> anyway i made a punhello with no acknowledgement tdnh
18:56:03 <boily> I Will Usher In A New Age, The Harbinger Of Doom, The Mashing Of All Words Together.
18:56:11 <boily> I think “joyeaux”?
18:56:21 <boily> very subtle, much French.
18:57:54 <oerjan> i cannot acknowledge what i don't understand.
18:58:49 <boily> wait. “\\” works on strings?
18:59:04 <oerjan> also, there's not supposed to be an "a", i just (re)learned.
18:59:19 <oerjan> boily: strings are perfectly good lists hth
18:59:54 <shachaf> in my defense, correct french spelling is uncomputable
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19:00:38 <shachaf> i don't need your pity swats
19:01:27 <oerjan> shachaf: you were probably mislead by some confusing tableaux.
19:01:48 <oerjan> shachaf: thanks, that was the word i was looking for
19:02:40 <HackEgo> Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
19:03:12 <shachaf> `swran s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we /
19:03:13 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swran: not found
19:03:13 <oerjan> also, it's no more uncomputable by english.
19:03:23 <shachaf> `swrjan s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we /
19:03:24 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "pity" so we put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
19:03:38 <oerjan> pity to lose amortized
19:04:01 <boily> you're still an omnidryad. can you, like, teleport into all forests in the worlds?
19:04:15 <boily> alercah: how's life in your part of canadia?
19:04:25 <oerjan> boily: i haven't tried
19:04:46 <oerjan> don't i need, like, magic slippers or something
19:05:28 <oerjan> i think b_jonas's prepositions may be infectious
19:06:22 <boily> maybe a reindeer? or a mysterious slice of brunost?
19:07:37 <oerjan> i have nutella balls and coke zero
19:08:44 <oerjan> regarding reindeer, see today's xkcd hth
19:09:11 <shachaf> king fizzie and his reigndeer
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19:26:36 <HackEgo> fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
19:27:06 <boily> `slwd fizzie//s/^/King /
19:27:07 <HackEgo> fizzie//King fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
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21:41:33 <oerjan> `welcome herrdeutschland
21:41:34 <HackEgo> herrdeutschland: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
21:42:08 <ais523> all the little minor languages that nobody else uses
21:42:14 <ais523> mostly because they're completely insane
21:42:32 <ais523> Freenode has hundreds of channels for useful languages, the useless ones need one of their own :-)
21:43:05 <herrdeutschland> i m actually a face surgeon but as a hobby i program in python
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21:44:55 <ais523> I suspect they're having connection trouble
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21:45:13 <oerjan> let's not leap to conclusions
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21:45:47 <ais523> hmm, it strikes me that uncomputable languages say something really deep about maths
21:46:27 <herrdeutschland> any programming language is just about learning the basics of how 0 1 act
21:46:29 <ais523> if you have a Turing-computable language, you can just calculate it mechanically; that doesn't really prove anything and compiler quality doesn't really matter, you just get the correct output by following the algorithm
21:46:45 <oerjan> herrdeutschland: so is yours
21:47:04 <ais523> if you have an uncomputable language, you can't do that, so the more maths the implementation understands, the more programs it can handle
21:47:33 <herrdeutschland> well i learned batch programming once ,and as i learned it i discovered it s the same like dos commands but written in a code
21:48:05 <ais523> right, the vast majority of mainstream languages work in much the same way
21:48:10 <ais523> especially in terms of control flow
21:48:22 <ais523> hmm, does HackEgo know Prolog?
21:48:29 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gprolog: not found
21:48:32 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: prolog: not found
21:48:51 <ais523> there are some languages that work completely differently to the mainstream though
21:49:07 <ais523> https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F is my new favourite example
21:49:47 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swipl: not found
21:49:52 <ais523> not really, Python is a lot more explicit than English
21:50:07 <fizzie> SWI-Prolog is what my former university's Prolog course used.
21:50:15 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access interp/*pro*: No such file or directory
21:50:22 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access interp/*pl*: No such file or directory
21:50:25 <ais523> golfing languages are much closer to English because they leave a lot more implicit and are often a lot more context-sensitive
21:50:39 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"
21:50:41 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access interp: No such file or directory
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21:50:48 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access ibin/*pro*: No such file or directory
21:50:54 <oerjan> `` ls -d interps/*pro*
21:50:55 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access interps/*pro*: No such file or directory
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21:51:11 <ais523> hmm, are interps and ibin actually just the same directory?
21:51:18 <HackEgo> drwxr-xr-x 38 5000 0 4096 Oct 28 2016 interps
21:51:22 <HackEgo> drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Jan 27 2017 ibin
21:51:45 <ais523> apparently not, I guess ibin is for the wrapper scripts and interps contains the core?
21:51:55 <ais523> (I'm basing this theory off link count)
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21:52:29 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_stdin ./interps/kipple/cipple.bin
21:52:31 <fizzie> They're mostly like that.
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21:53:55 <ais523> kipple is basically just a readable syntax for a multiple-stack stack machine
21:54:01 <ais523> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kipple
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21:55:24 <ais523> hmm, several of the links there go to the old home of the Esoteric File Archive and thus no longer work
21:55:42 <ais523> and instead of fixing it I'm just going to complain on IRC in the hope that someone else does
21:56:24 <oerjan> shachaf is the expert on that
21:57:34 <esowiki> [[Kipple]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53669&oldid=35437 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ Link to the github-hosted copy of the file archive.
21:57:35 <shachaf> Hey, I stopped doing it, didn't I?
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21:58:43 <oerjan> not really, hakatashi just stopped pinging out just as i had my finger on the button...
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21:59:42 <esowiki> [[Kipple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53670&oldid=53669 * Ais523 * (+7) /* Computational class */ fix the other external link to the Esoteric Files Archive, too
22:00:05 <ais523> I wonder at what point we're going to make a template like {{catseye}} for that
22:00:10 <oerjan> the problem is, i can never remember the correct syntax on the first try
22:00:13 <ais523> although that was a bit of a special case
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22:00:53 <fizzie> ais523: I could just go and fix everything returned from Special:LinkSearch for "http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files".
22:01:11 <fizzie> There's only 68 matches.
22:01:25 <oerjan> ais523: there was one case where i recently chose to link to wayback _instead_ of the github. namely your underload page
22:01:43 <oerjan> because the github doesn't render html or javascript
22:02:24 <fizzie> I think that's the exception, all these others are to directories or text-y files.
22:03:15 <fizzie> Well, there's one HTML file, the 1l spec.
22:03:52 <ais523> oerjan: isn't it ##fix_your_connection?
22:04:08 <oerjan> ais523: my first try was #fixyourconnection
22:04:20 <oerjan> it's one of the parts i can never get right on the first try
22:04:27 <oerjan> but this one didn't complain.
22:04:31 <ais523> and it's not even part of the syntax, technically :-P
22:04:44 <oerjan> the other thing is i forget the channel name.
22:04:58 <esowiki> [[2L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53671&oldid=31083 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:05:00 <oerjan> and i used to forget if it was -b or +b
22:05:27 <oerjan> is there a character missing in esowiki's output
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22:05:56 <esowiki> [[Archway]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53673&oldid=40415 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:06:34 <esowiki> [[Argh!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53674&oldid=43447 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:06:39 <HackEgo> [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE]
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22:08:06 <esowiki> [[Beatnik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53676&oldid=46219 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:08:24 <oerjan> shachaf: because i remembered the abbreviation hth
22:09:05 <esowiki> [[Befunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53677&oldid=53318 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:09:42 <esowiki> [[Beturing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53678&oldid=13148 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:10:21 <esowiki> [[BitChanger]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53679&oldid=7934 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:11:48 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53680&oldid=52846 * Fizzie * (+28) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:13:35 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53681&oldid=52196 * Fizzie * (+21) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:15:06 <esowiki> [[Jannis Harder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53682&oldid=13216 * Fizzie * (+20) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github (and fix typo in link)
22:16:10 <esowiki> [[CHIQRSX9+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53683&oldid=45210 * Fizzie * (+11) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:20:40 <esowiki> [[HighFive]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53688&oldid=18211 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:21:17 <esowiki> [[Homespring]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53689&oldid=35165 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:26:06 <esowiki> [[NULL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53697&oldid=50535 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:26:37 <esowiki> [[ORK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53698&oldid=46412 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:29:01 <esowiki> [[Qdeql]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53701&oldid=36067 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:30:01 <esowiki> [[Sbeezg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53703&oldid=35552 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:30:36 <int-e> shachaf: whelp, I created a paradox
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22:31:35 <esowiki> [[Smurf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53705&oldid=34328 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:32:16 <esowiki> [[SNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53706&oldid=42815 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:32:49 <esowiki> [[Extensions to SNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53707&oldid=30366 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:33:04 <shachaf> I like the solution for... Well, I oughtn't spoil anything
22:33:27 <ais523> someone over at PPCG was wondering why SNUSP of all things had so many derivatives
22:34:06 <esowiki> [[Sortle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53708&oldid=40083 * Fizzie * (+28) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:34:38 <esowiki> [[Bitwise Cyclic Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53709&oldid=53367 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
22:34:40 <ais523> it's basically just BF with Befunge control flow
22:36:45 <ais523> hmm, now I'm really curious as to whether Rectangular SNUSP can square numbers in the 17..255 range to produce a number greater than 256
22:36:54 <esowiki> [[EsoInterpreters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53710&oldid=50439 * Fizzie * (-22) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github (plus fix intra-wiki link done as external)
22:37:31 <Taneb> ais523, Deadfish style?
22:37:34 <esowiki> [[Thutu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53711&oldid=35040 * Fizzie * (+8) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github
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22:41:02 <esowiki> [[Sortle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53715&oldid=53708 * Fizzie * (+7) /* Quine */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github, missed one
22:41:20 <oerjan> . o O ( who needs spammers )
22:42:03 <fizzie> The remaining main namespace pages with links (1L_a and Gammaplex) have some to HTML files.
22:46:43 <int-e> shachaf: somewhere in the ruins
22:46:54 <int-e> shachaf: I wasn't trying to.
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