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01:25:43 <lambdabot> fizzie said 4h 31m 13s ago: You yourself adjusted the fungot list back in February 2013: https://esolangs.org/logs/2013-02-03.html#ld
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12:03:55 <int-e> (Poor highschool math competition problem authors, the next prime after 2017 will be 2027.)
12:06:26 <int-e> I guess it's esoteric enough, but it still wasn't meant for this channel :)
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12:48:40 <int-e> Huh, FIDE rules are surprisingly murky around illegal moves.
12:56:58 <int-e> (This is triggered by yesterday's incident in the Carlsen-Inarkiev game. By my reading of the rules, Carlsen made a legal move [since the rules say nothing about leaving your opponent's king in check, just your own].)
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13:32:41 <lambdabot> EGLL 301320Z AUTO 26020G30KT 9999 SCT032 14/08 Q0998 NOSIG
13:32:46 <fizzie> That's pretty ridiculous.
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14:10:07 <int-e> (unpleasant though, it's quite wet.)
14:53:13 <int-e> "elevated levels of demand for a revolution"
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16:25:47 <int-e> "Our species, homo sapiens sapiens, is about 300,000 years old. Now it used to be 200,000 years old but it grew an extra 100,000 years in the last year because of new archeaological discoveries."
16:28:14 <zzo38> int-e: What is the FEN position where that happened?
16:30:41 <boily> int-ello, hezzo38.
16:31:25 <int-e> *blindly copies* from 1r2r3/1R3ppp/1k6/1B1n4/8/2P2P2/2K3PP/1R6 b - - 0 27 the next moves were 27...Ne3+ 28 . Kd3
16:32:22 <int-e> https://chess24.com/en/read/news/riyadh-blitz-day-1-karjakin-is-back
16:37:00 <zzo38> They did not notice that 27...Ne3+ is leaving you in check, I suppose.
16:37:49 <zzo38> Also, if you want to convert FEN into a displayable ASCII diagram, one thing you can do is what I did: sed 's/8/44/g;s/7/43/g;s/6/33/g;s/5/32/g;s/4/22/g;s/3/21/g;s/2/11/g' | tr '1/' $'.\n'
16:38:22 <int-e> zzo38: It's unclear. Black (!) tried to claim a win after Kd3 because supposedly it was an illegal move.
16:38:50 <int-e> (This was a blitz game, so illegal moves are immediate losses.)
16:38:57 <int-e> (if noticed and claimed)
16:39:53 <int-e> Anyway, it'll be a feast for rule lawyers.
16:39:57 <zzo38> O, OK. Well, it seem to me that Kd3 is moving from an invalid position, so I don't know how it can be said to be legal or illegal?
16:41:04 <int-e> You can check whether it fulfills all the requirements for a legal move in the FIDE laws of chess.
16:41:07 <zzo38> (But, I am not sure what the FIDE rules say about such cases)
16:41:46 <int-e> And the most relevant rule here is 3.9: "3.9 The king is said to be 'in check' if it is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, even if such pieces are constrained from moving to the square occupied by the king because they would then leave or place their own king in check. No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check."
16:43:08 <int-e> So basically, nothing in the definition of a legal move refers to the legality of the position before that move.
16:43:57 <zzo38> The king of the same colour is the moved piece itself, and it isn't in check, so rule 3.9 does not seem to make 28. Kd3 illegal.
16:44:17 <int-e> Yeah, that's why I think it was a legal move.
16:44:40 <zzo38> But is there another rule that makes it illegal?
16:44:58 <int-e> I don't think so. https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=171&view=article section 3
16:45:05 <int-e> s/section/article/
16:45:47 <int-e> For example, it would have been different if W had captured the king. That's explicitly forbidden.
16:48:10 <zzo38> boily: FEN is Forsyth Edwards Notation.
16:49:36 <zzo38> Rule 3.10c says that a position is illegal if it cannot be reached by legal moves, but that does not say that the move is illegal.
16:51:56 <int-e> you can even make up moves from an illegal position to another illegal position that are legal. (For example a rook move leading to ...rKr...)
16:52:53 <int-e> (rKrn is a funny illegal mate in the middle of a board)
16:57:45 <int-e> . o O ( `learn 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation. )
16:58:21 <int-e> `learn 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation.
16:58:24 <HackEgo> Learned '8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8': 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation.
17:00:55 <int-e> `slwd 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8//s/ notation//
17:00:56 <HackEgo> 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8//8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN.
17:06:28 <int-e> "If we invented an AI that was like the human mind it would do the AI equivalent of sitting on the sofa munching popcorn and watching the Superbowl all day. It wouldn't be much use to us."
17:06:40 <zzo38> Sometimes you might want to use the name as an actual file too, and this way it doesn't work; such as, now "8/8" is a directory so you can't add an ordinary file of that name into the wisdom entries; one way to deal with such thing I suppose, would be that if it is a directory due to it contains other files, to create a file named ".DEFAULT" in that directory and then to use that.
17:07:37 * int-e is watching https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9270-dude_you_broke_the_future
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17:30:15 * boily is confused by chess
17:33:50 <shachaf> zzo38: But sometimes you want a wisdom with a name like 8/8/.DEFAULT
17:41:54 <zzo38> shachaf: But doesn't it convert names to lowercase normally?
17:43:33 <shachaf> Strictly speaking it ought to check the uppercase name first, for consistency
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18:01:11 <int-e> boily: FWIW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth%E2%80%93Edwards_Notation shouldn't be that hard to find
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18:05:31 <boily> int-e: densely packed infos, but clear.
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20:00:04 <HackEgo> 2/2:s core dump is made of.
20:01:44 <HackEgo> 7520:2016-04-23 <int-̈e> learn Corium is the material that a nuclear reactor\'s core dump is made of.
20:02:09 <fizzie> That -̈ is like a tiny face.
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22:15:24 <\oren\_> 4 cold sticks of butter, 4 cups flour, 1/4 cup cornstarch, 1 cup sugar, first cream butter then thorughly mix everything until dough is crumbly. pack dough into balls and flatten into cookies. bake 30 minutes, cool 5 minutes, bake 10 minutes, cool. 40 delicious cookies
22:19:03 <\oren\_> oh right. and oven temperature is 325 degrees F
22:19:28 <HackEgo> 2 ts Salt \ 1 ts Baking powder \ 1 c Milk \ 3/4 c Rum of sugar \ 1 c Mayonnaise \ 1 ts Cinnamon \ 1 tb Lemon juice \ 2 tb Butter \ 2 Cloves \ 1/2 c Chopped onion \ 1/4 c Freshly chopped onion \ 2 tb Canola oil \ 1 ts Salt \ 1/4 ts Ground cumin \ 1 ts Salt \ 1 c All-purpose flour \ Crumbled beef, cut in chili \ -or beef and peel
22:19:43 <fizzie> Well, that's just too many ingredients. Let's try again.
22:19:46 <HackEgo> gar, then pour over the onion and \ saute the milk into a 3-quart shallow baking dish. Add sugar and a \ green sauce to the warmed crumbled from the stove. \ Bring to a boil and add it to the mixing bowl. Serve ready; or carrots the chili \ out of the strawberry completely chopped. Makes 6 cups of ham of the \ hot cake in the center. Pinchier
22:20:09 <fizzie> "Add sugar and a green sauce to the warmed crumbled from the stove."
22:27:08 <\oren\_> don't ask me why but baking is always measured in Degrees Eff
22:28:08 <fizzie> It's always in degrees C over here.
22:30:32 <zzo38> Most stoves and recipes I have seen the temperature is always Fahrenheit, although there are a few that use Celsius; also some instructions on boxes and some ovens will specify both Celsius and Fahrenheit.
22:31:53 <fizzie> I'm guessing CA probably shares the oven market with US.
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