< 1516925366 544603 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516926464 782420 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgxiafmmvxzutflk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1516926758 252589 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwbyjrbymbtcrbzh QUIT : < 1516929382 364535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1516930358 236566 :ISS!jISS@179.182.4.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516930810 673761 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1516932051 185413 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1516932056 447070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:oasys//You are next to an oasis, with high dunes of sand surrounding it. You are likely to be eaten by a camel. \ palate//Palate is usually a metaphor for a person's preferences about food or drink. \ b_jonas//b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. \ cuisine//Cuisine is the posh cousin of cooking. < 1516932057 797596 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1516932058 716732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:\ just//Just is just a just adverb. < 1516932134 865208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? "$(grWp -lP '(is|are) just' | shuf -n1)" < 1516932136 916222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :static-wind is just air. < 1516932684 444947 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :private transient volatile static final Wind WIND; < 1516933083 412599 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-3 < 1516933468 270880 :ISS!jISS@179.182.4.128 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516933516 530818 :ISS!jISS@179.182.4.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516933686 297938 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: AMALGAMATED CHICKEN < 1516933950 297624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -exec grep -h ' is just ' '{}' + > /tmp/just; /usr/bin/paste -d' ' <(shuf -n 5 /tmp/just | sed -e 's/ is just .*//') <(yes 'is just' | head -n 5) <(shuf -n 5 /tmp/just | sed -e 's/.* is just //') < 1516933951 976008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frozen water is just an epimorphism in the opposite category. \ jargon is just a small thin skeletal category. \ The 1 is just a store comonad coalgebra. \ Equal temperament is just "ø" for øfficiency reasons. \ Codensity is just a classical watch extended with a certain amount of mustard in the mechanism. < 1516933993 880496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1516934814 85028 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516934890 670655 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1516935107 2630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1516935413 682017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516937547 860362 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1516938143 531868 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1516938494 328143 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... > 1516941911 594975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainwang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53896&oldid=53282 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+35) 10 > 1516942025 512958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07K-on Fuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53897&oldid=43914 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+36) 10Added category < 1516949762 582645 :mniip!mniip@haskell/developer/mniip QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1516949781 709558 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516949858 173750 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516950407 523949 :mniip!mnoop@haskell/developer/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1516950528 132297 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1516952375 234071 :sdfgsdfg!~sdfgsdfg@103.10.197.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516952416 281011 :sdfgsdfg!~sdfgsdfg@103.10.197.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516952496 645023 :gfdssdfg!~gfdssfdgs@43.230.99.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516952695 597051 :gfdssdfg!~gfdssfdgs@43.230.99.112 PART :#esoteric < 1516952735 496615 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1516953946 719639 :n_i_gg_e_r!~gfdssfdgs@103.10.197.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516953965 91597 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1516953982 377977 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*gfdssfdgs@103.10.197.* < 1516953982 445187 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric n_i_gg_e_r :Seriously? < 1516953988 688092 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1516954183 171234 :homosexual!~n_i_gg_e_@43.230.99.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516954199 509422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a way to make a simple kind of database file where it has fixed size pages, and then each record has a 32-bit number as the key, and then the index specifies which page each record by key begins on and they then either link to the next page or to give the length of the remaining data on this page if it is the last one. Maybe there is already such a thing I don't know < 1516954548 367616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1516954557 795448 :homosexual!~n_i_gg_e_@43.230.99.117 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516954632 309692 :homosexual!~n_i_gg_e_@43.230.99.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516954664 404754 :homosexual!~n_i_gg_e_@43.230.99.117 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1516954860 544909 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1516954884 87993 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*gfdssfdgs@103.10.197.* < 1516954897 952977 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@103.10.197.* < 1516954902 850335 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1516954927 758645 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1516954929 521187 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1516954948 146888 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1516954984 53890 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't really any common part to those < 1516955419 647356 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm same isp though < 1516955484 691002 :h0m0sexual!~homosexua@43.230.99.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516955487 838479 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@43.230.99.* < 1516955492 216436 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric h0m0sexual :h0m0sexual < 1516955513 183964 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6dppoci38pcp.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1516955720 176329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the answer of my question? < 1516955755 560619 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1516956520 709350 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1516956688 303761 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom ` < 1516956689 691761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`?//​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1516956697 75195 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom ` < 1516956698 365592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`5//`5 is equivalent to repeating `` 5 times, then splitting the output into irc-sized pieces. defaults to "quote". See `1, `4 and `spam. Confusingly _not_ the obvious generalization of `2. < 1516956797 280505 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION noted some painful non-use of `grwp in the logs the other day
< 1516956808 298482 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticed < 1516956844 757445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I saw was a painful misuse of find/xargs :P < 1516956872 77601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it was the wisdom subdirectory didn't really register with me. < 1516956880 235939 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6dppoci38pcp.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1516956895 706141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot < 1516956896 15404 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i have a good tutorial on continuations? < 1516956908 701105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good answer < 1516956916 828378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please continue... < 1516956917 140074 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't see why you want c's switch, but it's just another argument to the result < 1516956948 46512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: let's not have this argument now < 1516956948 312555 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's some of the loops in your compiler. i'll just < 1516956955 216538 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes? < 1516956955 425342 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so you might look into enhancing the type analysis. < 1516956962 907674 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: harsh. < 1516956974 336553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I fell out of its good graces :( < 1516957098 320587 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516957565 520789 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your continuations are too delimited tdnh < 1516957566 36021 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xor linking is bad. if you had such semimutable pairs, you can either specifically state variable location or let the compiler tell me how to dial " ci`r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.,`.o`.l`.l`.e`.h`c``sc``sc``sc`ki prints hello, world! < 1516958383 785436 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1516960889 662534 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gil seems to be looking better lately < 1516961498 623881 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1516962911 185311 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6dppoci38pcp.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1516963115 617223 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:501a:d976:7766:70ae JOIN :#esoteric < 1516963442 186579 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6dppoci38pcp.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1516967024 532832 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1516967052 339923 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:501a:d976:7766:70ae QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516967774 189489 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:95c5:c816:6a8c:e62d JOIN :#esoteric < 1516971274 442598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gil? < 1516971285 717507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, GG? < 1516971331 662679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, he seems to finally be getting some sleep < 1516974103 662442 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D764.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1516974201 382239 :mniip!mnoop@haskell/developer/mniip QUIT :Quit: This page is intentionally left blank. < 1516974228 776095 :mniip!mniip@haskell/developer/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1516976750 338803 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-158-17.range109-149.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1516978819 921148 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1516978858 749126 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516979327 965162 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1516980278 189087 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D764.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1516980617 44975 :mroman!a055e89a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516980621 242367 :mroman!a055e89a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2018-D21.esosc < 1516981113 224723 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516981136 58980 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:95c5:c816:6a8c:e62d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1516981264 95324 :mroman!a055e89a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2018-D20.esosc of course) < 1516981958 250999 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tell me how to dial " ci`r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.,`.o`.l`.l`.e`.h`c``sc``sc``sc`ki" is brilliant < 1516982118 815890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inr-e: um... shouldn't that start with a backtick or something? < 1516982130 69921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, three double quotes < 1516982134 844117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: < 1516982147 487709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1516982149 283235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing two backticks, I guess. < 1516982149 760116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fungotry < 1516982150 265232 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: toki pona was created by plt scheme, what do you mean? :p. ugh i need to figure out how < 1516982187 998245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed, the brilliant part is that it came from fungot < 1516982188 380918 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: even riastradh couldn't convince me to become a good programmer if you can't see anything in swindle pertaining to an ffi... < 1516982221 28038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, if Unlambda took a slice from INTERCAL, " would mean ``) < 1516982259 701168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the INTERCAL thing is that ! is a '. ligature, IIRC) < 1516982276 356805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.... no, a double quote doesn't mean two backticks in intercal. it's like in python or perl or ruby, a double quote is just another kind of single quote, you have to use one or the other paired with itself < 1516982290 701682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the ! ligature. right, I forgot that one. < 1516982315 711788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it was supposed to be an overstruck apostrophe and dot on the punch card originally, not a true exclamation mark < 1516982652 737264 :mroman!a055e89a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nortti still alive? < 1516982914 995973 :mroman!a055e89a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1516984273 420243 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1516985368 772128 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516985531 799935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1516985610 364794 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1516985995 765373 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516986020 136717 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1516986024 700321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​dth//dth is the dth ordinal. dth? < 1516986078 881000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helmroman < 1516986123 439277 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the traffic on the blsq shell? < 1516986165 515879 :sleffy!~sleffy@24.7.67.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516986435 991414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue < 1516986485 258594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no access logs) < 1516986502 597143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe I should have some? hmm) < 1516986532 526259 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1516986645 482218 :sleffy!~sleffy@24.7.67.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1516986731 896019 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1516986740 564552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious though, so I have access logs starting from now. < 1516986743 173406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there he goes < 1516986779 171341 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516987209 299911 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1516987574 808180 :impomatic!~digital_w@host109-149-158-17.range109-149.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1516987755 363907 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1516988109 847429 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516988356 406280 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516988710 792329 :Naergon!~naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1516988816 162940 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516989015 387492 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1516990532 149215 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D764.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1516992197 437968 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti you still alive? < 1516992197 578926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1516992247 747112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I has logs now. < 1516992258 267646 :ISS!jISS@179.182.4.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1516992281 649266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with *one* access to the burlesque shell (myself, testing the logs) < 1516993641 912034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many telephones and other stuff with similar keypads will use that telephone system to enter text, such as having to push more than once the same number, etc. An alternative would be to use a system based on punched card codes; push 0 and 2 together to make "S", for example. < 1516993882 850020 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1516993900 377486 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, how did the bot work < 1516993937 707152 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah, I just drifted elsewhere on IRC and left this place after I no longer really followed the conversations here < 1516993980 575523 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1516994000 344603 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and that would be significantly easier? < 1516994005 446176 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1516994012 3974 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you write this on the keypad so newbies know what to press? < 1516994452 179387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Well, it would be faster; the existing system is too slow. < 1516994642 278604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the bottom row keys "-" and "0" and "&" then the "1" key could be marked "J/A" to indicate which letters would be typed by those combinations. < 1516994716 533386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You still need separate buttons for space, backspace, send, etc) < 1516994727 339337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1516994866 789396 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's faster < 1516994873 739500 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you'd need more than one finger. < 1516994888 493875 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PART #esoteric :"Only in silence the word, only in dark the light, only in dying life: bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky. —The creation of Éa" < 1516994964 105612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still I think it is faster; I have tried such experiment and it seems faster to me. < 1516995157 802515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp yafgc < 1516995161 956916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1516995448 740414 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get back to you once you have a peer-reviewed study about keypads :D < 1516995461 417814 :Naergon!~naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1516996081 124433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose, it will help. Unfortunately, I have no such thing. < 1516996180 551698 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could! < 1516996184 599803 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 QUIT :Quit: until later < 1516996725 8798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad I have this access log now. "HEAD /phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.0" < 1516996736 385347 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516996773 535526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that is kind of boring) < 1516996797 98684 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could write an esosc draft for such a keypad. < 1516996868 65913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I need a channel to offload all the funny requests that anyone who's running a http server probably knows already < 1516996882 287566 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1516996903 221363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs < 1516996904 27844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: logs: not found < 1516996904 314681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: What is esosc draft, and how to write such thing? < 1516996916 415743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^logs < 1516996928 9494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: anyway, see logs (see topic) < 1516997054 683897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the request "SSH-2.0-Go" on my HTTP server. (The same address sent a proper HTTP request two minutes later.) < 1516997059 421570 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a semi-serious semi-legit esoteric totally invented standards body < 1516997073 705618 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esosc < 1516997075 57712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esosc is esoteric song contest (also Esoteric Standard Committee) < 1516997104 475416 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey! We have two approved standards! < 1516997129 698930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, I didn't know that there is a DuckDuckGo-Favicons-Bot < 1516997219 368375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also got a IRC command on the HTTP server. The same address made a proper HTTP request a few seconds later. A few seconds before the IRC command was a request consisting of binary data.) < 1516997264 857989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. people run all sorts of services on port 80 < 1516997275 403165 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the one that most firewalls don't filter < 1516997343 347981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this applies to port 443 as well, I guess) < 1516997348 171898 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original idea was to fight the poor quality of esowiki articles and focus on quality specs rather than quantity. < 1516997354 210113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it can work, since the commands are going to be different; you could easily have HTTP, IRC, and gopher, all together on the same port. Still I would put them on different ports < 1516997377 936896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily all on the same host :P < 1516997439 937699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1516997452 439152 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in esosc specs would have had some reasonable quality requirements for esolang specs. < 1516997521 589586 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrary to esowiki articles < 1516997525 739579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: OK. But is a keypad such a thing? < 1516997647 224689 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's esoteric and related to computer science it probably fits. < 1516997722 669261 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that esosc has any legal validity or support from any industry 😅 < 1516997829 673315 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just for fun mostly < 1516997956 823818 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esosc.mroman.ch/ESOSC-2014-A1.TXT < 1516997975 443050 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says 'esolang related works' tho < 1516998011 610754 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if esoteric human-computer interfaces count as related. < 1516998023 895441 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Taneb. < 1516998032 680081 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nortti < 1516998142 503750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But according to that document, I am apparently not allowed to write esosc drafts? < 1516998147 342447 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we asking me? < 1516998152 383342 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are. < 1516998171 730210 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can submit drafts. < 1516998210 607184 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well 'proposal' but a proposal is just a draft. < 1516998228 829089 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think a proposal is a pre-draft < 1516998276 398021 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doen't get a number until one of us officially submits it < 1516998301 330213 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Well the idea is that people can 'draft' stuff submit it as a proposal then it becomes an official draft? < 1516998313 633001 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that < 1516998411 1219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem another thing, since there is many members, you will have to agree what EUIN number to use, otherwise it will conflict. It can be avoided by assigning each member a block of numbers to use for their own drafts. (There are a few other things I also don't like about EUIN, but that is different) < 1516998436 12890 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the idea wasn't to exclude people but to ensure better quality < 1516998486 225265 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are usually just monotonically increasing? < 1516998517 792597 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, says so in the A1 < 1516998557 19169 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fair point. < 1516998575 63151 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 would be the next free number currently < 1516998636 744965 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 is referenced from 21. < 1516998658 857531 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can apply to become member of course. < 1516998764 986184 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start a draft it becomes an upcoming draft < 1516998810 853248 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has reached almost ready to be submitted it becomes a working draft. < 1516998852 520441 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just allocate a number by making it an upcomming draft. < 1516999065 958174 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516999144 618853 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else do you not like abou EUIN? < 1516999247 542094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A different format would be: It has three or four parts with - in between. First part is "ESOSC". Second part is AD year number. Third part is a document number, which is any number in the submitter's block unique per year, and the fourth part is optional and is the version number. If the version number is omitted then it is an alias for the latest approved version. You need not change EUINs for status changes. < 1516999427 422507 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1516999480 844115 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess we can add that to A1 < 1516999490 49791 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that no revision number -> latest version < 1516999494 827647 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1516999537 371994 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a reference like `See ESOSC-2014-A3` and then you make a revision < 1516999541 78210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already says revision numbers shall be avoided for approved standards < 1516999541 884058 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the old reference would be invalid < 1516999565 430089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just saying that revision numbers are optional rather than prohibited for approved standards. < 1516999576 359620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documents that require a specific referense should always include version numbers. < 1516999614 960151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe I misunderstood the document; I don't know) < 1516999639 333112 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was intended to be able to create revisions of approved standards < 1516999676 72051 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> A new revision of an approved standard is put into the draft state and requires the usual approval process taking place. < 1516999680 827427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:16: error: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1516999689 671842 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for emergencies. < 1516999700 833527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, it says that. < 1516999706 582170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I forgot. < 1516999742 371029 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really remember what the criteria for Revision vs obsoletion was :D < 1516999748 602099 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we didn't even think this far. < 1516999791 93585 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was meant for updates? < 1516999828 32731 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you have a language, then later decide to extend it with a useful new feature < 1516999859 371475 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be A3-R1 then < 1516999888 26543 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O is basically for "don't use this anymore" < 1516999950 105696 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that 'shall' is a typo < 1516999952 447251 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and meant 'should' < 1516999961 452793 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 'MUST' < 1517000029 795330 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe it should be that ESOSC-XXXX-AY refers to the latest version < 1517000038 250195 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ESOSC-XXXX-AY-R1 refers to the newest version < 1517000042 941546 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first version < 1517000050 691378 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC-XXXX-AY-R2 to the second. < 1517000054 755648 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like that? < 1517000116 716949 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good feedback. We probably should clarify a few things in A1 < 1517000122 47324 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also whether to round 2/3 upwards or downwards :D < 1517000151 247101 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are 4 members do you need 2 votes or 3 votes? < 1517000172 815485 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rounded to the nearest number. < 1517000212 246485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to (although the letters "A" and "R" are omitted, and omitting the number is an alias (not the canonical code) for the latest accepted version; not necessarily the latest version). It omits the status since if it does, you need to update the number when it is made obsolete. One thing that can be done is an optional fifth part, which is the status; if omitted, it refers to the same document anyways. < 1517000252 300697 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also ditch the year actually < 1517000255 109713 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the year isn't really useful imo < 1517000282 208347 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just makes it longer. < 1517000293 862659 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the year of the latest revision < 1517000296 726780 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the year of first issue :D < 1517000304 228272 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't even tell you how old this really is. < 1517000340 997564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is useful, if using the submitter block numbers I mention. If each block has 366 numbers, then each member can submit up to 366 new drafts per year. < 1517000411 667018 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1517000418 255956 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd start at zero again in 2018? < 1517000437 955289 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one < 1517000442 329073 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-1? < 1517000475 938608 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why 366? < 1517000525 510170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just an example; the block size can be different. < 1517000537 776843 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. < 1517000559 499514 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers don't really need to mean anything to humans anyway :D < 1517000570 134217 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans will refer to it using the title. < 1517000645 713605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which numbers the submitter uses is their own choice and need not be in order, but it does have to belong to the submitter's block and be unique, and the version numbers have to be monotonic, and year numbers should be correct. < 1517000743 961757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you can generally refer to it using the title. Still it helps to have the numbers; my own recommendation is to not use aliases when refering to a specific document (aliases are more useful when you refer to a specific programming language or whatever, rather than to a document). < 1517000824 879169 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have 2018-1-1-DRAFT < 1517000838 375394 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is revision 1 of '1' and it's in DRAFT Status. < 1517000868 151245 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC-2018-1-1-D probably < 1517000910 871039 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the last part could be optional yes < 1517000914 820056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. (Although the final "-D" is optional; if omitted, it is guaranteed to refer to the same document. It is put there only for convenience to those who see the number to know if it is a draft) < 1517000918 864205 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have to update everything. < 1517000928 533457 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you reference ESOSC-2014-A33 and it becomes ESOSC-2014-O33 < 1517000935 737805 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the reference ESOSC-2014-A33 would look weird. < 1517000938 974000 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's O33 now. < 1517001000 302870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why I say, it is optional. < 1517001283 905835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document ESOSC-2014-A1 also includes a non-ASCII character. My recommendation is that it is recommended (not required; there are valid reasons to use non-ASCII characters) that documents use only ASCII characters. < 1517001506 702744 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu? < 1517001511 3126 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a non-ascii character? < 1517001513 706431 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1517001563 464716 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a non-printable one? < 1517001666 593334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ESOSC' < 1517001667 345323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ESOSC': not found < 1517001668 425829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One line says "standard to ensure uniqueness. The EUIN doesn<80><99>t change except for the prefix" < 1517001681 588647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ' < 1517001683 107728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0027 APOSTROPHE] < 1517001688 396856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1517001712 262144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes the non-ASCII character <80><99>. < 1517001794 360156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode doesn’t < 1517001795 116785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0064 LATIN SMALL LETTER D] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] < 1517001854 319600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox treats ' and ’ as the same in its search, wtf. < 1517001928 439267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that is reasonable in case-insensitive mode. In case-sensitive mode they should not be treated the same. < 1517001937 775179 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E28099? < 1517001961 267565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wow < 1517001963 295808 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1517001967 125092 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see that :D < 1517001996 906471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, you should be allowed to customize it even in case-insensitive mode, I think) < 1517001997 3889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're right, switching on "Match Case" makes a difference < 1517003316 967557 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need to add a paragraph about patents and liability and shit :D? < 1517003332 933324 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that such a document certainly has some 'legal stuff' to it. < 1517003342 441362 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this probably constitutes an 'organization' of some sort. < 1517003502 770639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Add the specification that it is patent-free (which means either it isn't patented, the patent has expired, or it is unrevocably licensed for anyone to use for any reason in any circumstances). < 1517003566 17194 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... we can't guarantee that standards we write aren't patented by someone else < 1517003566 749394 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1517003573 612880 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck software patents man < 1517003599 454576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, it is not guarantee. But, it is at least the intention to be patent-free < 1517003861 400159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is to have full members and half members. A half member is assigned a block of document numbers and may submit drafts but can't approve new members or new documents, and are not counted when considering two thirds, and only one full member needs to approve of a new half member; to become a full member the usual rules must apply to approve them. < 1517003922 591975 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually we could say that the ESOSC *merely* validates the quality of stuff < 1517003926 403749 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't really endorse anything < 1517003929 650928 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other legal shit. < 1517003943 904090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, say that. < 1517004096 343041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC DOES NOT ENDORSE LEGAL SHIT. < 1517004101 370671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EXPRESS OR IMPLIED) < 1517004251 329177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ESOSC standards aim to be patent nonsense, but not patented nonsense.) < 1517004270 233744 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp patent < 1517004271 701225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1517004325 278808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn Patents are patent nonsense with disproportionate legal ramifications. ) < 1517004484 765134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think also it should say: For a new member to become a full member, in addition to a 2/3 vote, the new member must also agree to be a full member; if he does not agree then he is a half member instead. < 1517004528 825984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This avoids a problem with having new members who are not going to vote who is a new member.) < 1517004765 769432 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1517005422 855478 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. < 1517005804 504401 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-1-2.esosc < 1517005808 815524 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that should do the trick. < 1517005826 324894 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it pretty clear that we're not a serious organization :D < 1517005868 495906 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1517005869 780771 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1517005953 21532 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517006093 832036 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. also if you change the rules < 1517006101 124271 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :member should have to re-confirm their member status < 1517006104 829811 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might want to leave the esosc. < 1517006126 994776 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1517006224 679822 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. just state that one can leave at any point obviously. < 1517006448 298697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a "P" suffix mean? < 1517006501 5262 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1517006506 447161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that it looks good to me. < 1517006519 396999 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. < 1517006571 362197 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*updated* < 1517006586 124355 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you @tell multiple persons? < 1517006605 750642 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_, lambdabot Waddup? < 1517006605 750680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1517006609 116855 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1517006614 339936 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1517006617 155058 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1517006654 508101 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb please have a look at http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-1-2.esosc and let me know what you think of it. < 1517006654 605527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1517006666 430459 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti please have a look at http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-1-2.esosc and let me know what you think of it. < 1517006666 571096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1517006698 797707 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw crap now the psychiatrist line is gone. < 1517006931 340463 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed. < 1517008038 952759 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1517008388 956898 :spiette!~spiette@216-246-240-74.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517008598 791757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1111 < 1517008601 305467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1111: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1517008609 548533 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1517009146 906246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFhello < 1517009444 554839 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1517009458 928233 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517009963 559611 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Quit: *eh* < 1517010395 884271 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1517010459 936469 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I suddenly interested in Pokemon TCG? < 1517010551 52957 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D764.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1517010554 822937 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D764.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1517010581 457865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1517010666 869914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang < 1517010668 818947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place. < 1517010682 480187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Still accurate? < 1517010683 415795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat sgeolang < 1517010692 556108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1517010699 709522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt sgeolang < 1517010709 322751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2079:2013-02-09 learn sgeolang currently is either J or Io. \ 5581:2015-06-15 ` sed -i \'s/ei\\|or/n&/g\' wisdom/sgeolang \ 5586:2015-06-16 learn Sgeolang is probably Rust ATM. \ 8088:2016-05-20 learn Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place.