< 1517011392 716662 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1517011430 882410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure sgeolang isn't Pokemon TCG twh < 1517012008 330253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I added some Prometheus metrics for the esowiki bot. < 1517012017 957732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your server public? < 1517012044 334371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it would've felt a bit too much like exposing yourself. < 1517012053 714844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not very exciting metrics, anyway. < 1517012057 358857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a server that exposed a Prometheus endpoint on purpose. < 1517012057 850518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not missing much. < 1517012064 976754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a bit surprised but it probably isn't that bad? < 1517012101 345216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that could be reasonable? I've opted for just TLS and basic auth via the nginx that's already there for the wiki, though. < 1517012118 397465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not missing much then why are you telling me twh < 1517012168 616959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should add a monarch thing instead hth < 1517012229 696630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe our SRE team should take over from me twrh < 1517012267 676473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fiddled together a silly homegrown config push system (not just for the wiki, for everything) too. < 1517012390 999364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a git repository with the untouched Debian dist files in one branch and the current edited ones in another, so whenever apt asks me that impossible "which one of these two incorrect files you want?" question, I can just copy the new dist file in the dist branch and merge from there to master. < 1517012474 120135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta use the secret "merge these two files together into something reasonable" option < 1517012480 273334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that why google is working on ai hth < 1517012554 742724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a lot easier when the third file's there as well. < 1517012639 677218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I added a ridiculously overengineered skeleton for the "static" part of stalker mode (i.e., the page that just contains N most recent messages). < 1517013537 826123 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1517015555 397496 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1517015799 815803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1517016191 285100 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517017021 689362 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1517017135 722873 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1517019218 676832 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1517019861 609210 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.38.115 JOIN :#esoteric > 1517022406 897237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Focus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53898&oldid=53206 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+15) 10minor edits to a bad language < 1517022793 604638 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517023970 792136 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bepqjdzeyafkeejs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1517026438 934121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By use of my "mbff" program, I can determine that apparently the order that new Hero Defiant pieces were added is: blue Directional Blocks, Lasers, Lava, Mirrors, pieces being gradually damaged by Lasers, Floor Switch, Smiley, another wall, Pushers, more walls, another field, Block Spacer, red Directional Blocks, Pullers, more walls, Rotators, another wall, Non-Diagonal Fields, ... < 1517026554 847437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... auto-reverse Rotators, another Lava animation frame, another Field (and corresponding non-diagonal version), Lava expanding by dropping Rocks in, Bridges extending over Lava (and getting damaged in the process), Sliding Doors, another Smiley animation frame, Gift Box, Lava bubble animations, Water Balloon, Green Heart, animation tracing the path of Green Heart, ... < 1517026564 608069 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.38.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1517026603 977625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Bomb, Fire Wood, Fuse (which was never implemented), Grenade, Joystick, Match, Missile, Shield, Quiz, Stealth Potion, different numbers of Stealth Potions, stealthy Smiley. < 1517026897 51194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is only the guess) < 1517029801 108753 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1517031382 567502 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517034301 14223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to prevent webpage document scripts from scrolling the document? < 1517034447 356603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind I figured out. < 1517034560 54797 :spiette!~spiette@216-246-240-74.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1517034600 13837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProProfs does not allow you to scroll for some reason (and it doesn't work at all if scripting is disabled). This is fixed by a simple GreaseMonkey script: "use strict"; delete unsafeWindow.Element.prototype.scrollTop; < 1517036209 944796 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517036586 884063 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah what the hell is that pdf < 1517036615 518393 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1517039815 115495 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1517040593 249399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about the liar chess game. Before each move, you may rewrite one of your previous moves; if you do, the entire sequence must still be a valid FIDE game with proper notation. > 1517040710 883756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Riking 5* 10New user account > 1517040786 92030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53899&oldid=53891 5* 03Riking 5* (+218) 10/* Introductions */ < 1517040870 499959 :Hooloovo0!~Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, liars chess sounds like a ridiculously complicated game > 1517041271 190956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AWO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53900&oldid=49041 5* 03Riking 5* (-35) 10I don't see how this is a BF equivalent > 1517041327 544518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53901&oldid=43011 5* 03Riking 5* (+35) 10Added Category:Brainfuck equivalents > 1517041378 13174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53902&oldid=15375 5* 03Riking 5* (-1) 10Changed from BF equivalent to derivative - this uses an innovative program writing method > 1517041431 772732 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53903&oldid=53902 5* 03Riking 5* (+1) 10typo: forgot s on category name > 1517041561 618737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFFB14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53904&oldid=40346 5* 03Riking 5* (+12) 10refine categorization to BF equivalent < 1517041967 678499 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like, you make 1 move, then they make a move, then you want to remake your first move, it must be valid in the current scenario and the previous one? < 1517042085 254237 :Hooloovo0!~Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and all in between, I think < 1517042104 878616 :Hooloovo0!~Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no extraneous checks, and whatnot < 1517042239 248076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeyxa: Yes, I think so. (There is many other restrictions that also result from this, as far as I can tell, such as, if you played a4 and opponent played Rxa4, you can't change your move to b4 because then Rxa4 is not a proper move (it says it is a capture, but there is nothing to capture), and you can't change it to make another move ambiguous, or remove the ambiguity, etc) < 1517042459 579776 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made me think that even a rule like "each player can make two moves x many times per game" can completely change things < 1517042476 487905 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to always wonder if this is the move they'll move twice, lol < 1517042919 574156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One such game (but more restrictive than that) is: Once per game you can make two moves with the same piece. The first move cannot be a promotion nor give check, but you may move into check on your first move if you remove the check by the end of your turn. < 1517043245 281000 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517043252 156857 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning. < 1517044875 363498 :Naergon!~naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517047003 746294 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1517047469 831148 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1517048245 745335 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53905&oldid=53903 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10Still equivalent IMO < 1517048405 41382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the big question? < 1517048405 675358 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm grading quizzes and chipping away at my respect for shivers just shot up a few too many ones just earlier. but is there a way to < 1517048437 265515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: respect for shivers, got it. but you didn't finish the question... < 1517048437 551261 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i see a command in the most idiomatically schemely way" often to be able to tinker at the repl. < 1517048469 362259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1517048471 493784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :503) indirect addressing is a facile and inebrious kind of instruction which should be whomped away by languages \ 413) in the title of the page it says "Well-Typed - The Haskell Consultants" but i want to know who are the haskell conraisins? < 1517049553 810169 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Co-Nsultans < 1517049556 928895 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nsultan < 1517049557 710563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nsultan: not found < 1517049635 828200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, raisin' cons... < 1517050143 368606 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? consultant < 1517050144 651769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consultant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1517050172 903105 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A consultant is a person too scared of doing things by themselves and thus instructs other people to do it for them. < 1517053212 428058 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 QUIT : < 1517053265 125450 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517053317 282553 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517053446 717035 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 QUIT :Client Quit < 1517053482 800787 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517053725 545480 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 QUIT :Client Quit < 1517053770 842427 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517053855 301905 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1517054334 510031 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 QUIT : < 1517054733 241349 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517055250 881390 :ISS!jISS@177.158.140.124 QUIT : < 1517055255 430928 :Naergon!~naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1517055347 382436 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:11ee:dd1d:57c5:e6a4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517057020 693206 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:11ee:dd1d:57c5:e6a4 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1517057212 793935 :spiette!~spiette@216-246-240-74.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517058607 601909 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517059061 793074 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1517059080 266772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1517059223 824026 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1517059224 40579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1517059244 40569 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517059246 522411 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ello < 1517059372 135340 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman! < 1517059376 679767 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time! < 1517060193 712267 :spiette!~spiette@216-246-240-74.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1517060887 86358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517061380 109433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1517061392 718705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517062584 616014 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SOUL CHICKEN < 1517063612 724954 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1517063730 330704 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should use markdown for esosc < 1517064777 599945 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1517066645 797665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troff < 1517066777 606235 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1517067044 606790 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1517067715 107040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the burlesque shell comes with a style.css? < 1517067868 367076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not really needed. < 1517068279 159194 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh but it's not needed :D < 1517068330 933402 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1517068339 919450 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's needed if you want syntax highlighting. < 1517068363 555503 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs 6 etc. < 1517068377 982238 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really required for the functionality of the shell, no. < 1517068397 404097 :mroman!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 QUIT :Quit: until later < 1517068717 308623 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517069897 587020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of extreme modelling? < 1517069897 818229 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the key value is the empty list < 1517070109 699255 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.. fairly deep < 1517071685 480761 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1517071701 485858 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1517071767 535905 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1517071850 803119 :aeyxa!ae418a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.65.138.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517071959 922104 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1517071960 564170 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517071960 661472 :[io]!~iovoid@185.140.54.17 QUIT :Changing host < 1517071960 661512 :[io]!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1517072006 750071 :variable_!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1517072180 668382 :variable_!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1517072189 451827 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1517072284 763333 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517072580 415308 :[io]!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1517073554 940643 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517074034 28768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1517074331 771282 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1517074667 184338 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517074692 878824 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an encoding similar to base64 but that leaves ascii intact? < 1517074728 73618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8? < 1517074747 229509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ASCII encodes to itself, and thus decodes to itself, you need to use non-ASCII characters to encode everything else < 1517074782 468551 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean like... base64 isn't human readable anymore < 1517074789 872499 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's urlencode for example < 1517074796 710732 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have a % for each non-asci char < 1517074802 471929 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite an overhead. < 1517075151 501716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1517075573 492328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: food < 1517075796 592680 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1517078245 177677 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1517080411 953155 :jon_!d577bb4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.119.187.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517080670 60452 :jon_!d577bb4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.119.187.74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517080670 198964 :mroman_!b2c5e37a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.227.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1517081286 525213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517081502 291058 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmf < 1517081537 819949 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: name the symptoms of Meig's syndrome. < 1517081538 397933 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: non-goth addict? :p. ugh i need to update the value < 1517081576 165126 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what value? < 1517081576 587886 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: my fine friends... friendship should occur naturally. the exp taylor series converges fast. learning an emacs command to reverse a brainfuck program < 1517081619 261724 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're a smart fungus aren't ya? < 1517081619 836339 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the developer is ready, and the destructuring on that list takes a month to agree upon then... somehow you can claim it is the way to other languages < 1517081650 193904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you want to be funge? < 1517081650 386387 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm well, can't you? < 1517081660 245914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball can I? < 1517081660 436979 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1517081670 305328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker has helped me to understand the difference between TAFM levels 1 and 2 < 1517081671 690235 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you guys improve fungot's speech? < 1517081671 881160 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how about ( f y x < 1517081681 443474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose your fundamental operations on counters are increment, decrement, check < 1517081695 793522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 1 groups these as (increment), (check and decrement if nonzero) < 1517081704 222441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, tafm? < 1517081706 187274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas level 2 groups these as (increment), (decrement then check for zero) < 1517081712 596604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Amnesiac_From_Minsk < 1517081731 14738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1517081742 557204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rapidly becoming the best language for proving TCness, I think < 1517081813 6919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably Bitwise Cyclic Tag still holds that title, but the two are useful in different contexts so they make good complements to each other < 1517081827 782053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TAFM is pretty universal, though, because pretty much any language that can store data can count things < 1517081833 703751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(challenge: write a language that can't!) < 1517081851 685176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason it beats out minsky machines is that the control flow is much simpler < 1517081943 11229 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marvin? < 1517082038 256441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1517082133 845647 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language that can't count? < 1517082178 686724 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the Minsky-Machines been classified by Marvin Minksy? < 1517082229 520084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( SKI *obviosuly* can't count. :-P ) < 1517082296 438293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just looked it up, apparently Minsky formalized that particular version of counter machine < 1517082310 90933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Marvin Minsky < 1517082314 767292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The trouble is that we accept that TC-ness implies that we can implement recursive functions on natural numbers, so we have /some/ representation of natural numbers which we can use to count. We don't mind all that much that those representations often look very artificial.) < 1517082381 396557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, clearly a TC language is capable of counting somehow < 1517082390 765664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking more in terms of low-level representation and/or sub-TC languages < 1517082400 695520 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1517082450 611464 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old MIT-Pioneers. 8,1😎 < 1517082480 347016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's unclear where to draw the line. I mean, even DFAs can count a bit. < 1517082513 745432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1517082521 149409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting seems to me to be the most fundamental way of storing data < 1517082530 782779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you have any data stored at all, that implies that some amount is stored < 1517082538 674899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and counting is if you just care about the amount and disregard the actual data < 1517082593 726905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... https://esolangs.org/wiki/HQ9%2B ... does the inclusion of + mean that it can count? < 1517082608 867148 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1517082669 976573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should finish his recursive functions in Minsky machines formalization. Hmm. < 1517082696 288419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's arguable what HQ9+ is doing at all, seeing as it has no control flow < 1517082716 111129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can + be said to be counting if you could simply work out the final value of the accumulator by counting the +s in the program at compile time? < 1517082735 310415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess HQ9+ can be seen as a special case of a finite state machine which only has one state < 1517082735 676241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, I can still argue both sides < 1517082746 494985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I totally agree that this isn't even a programming language. < 1517082756 441205 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a language with inc and jmp? < 1517082759 593682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the best assessment of HQ9+ is that it isn't a programming language < 1517082770 703095 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no conditional jumps < 1517082835 710293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it depends... might be fun if the increment can overflow into the program counter ;-) < 1517082870 535418 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1517082906 2690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is inspired by, but different from, the infinite loop in the "Story of Mel") < 1517082929 201421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible to have a programming language with no conditional jumps, but data needs to be able to have some effect on something < 1517082931 95061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's just other data < 1517082970 641967 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if jmp jumps to code[counter/2] if counter is even and code[counter*2] if it is odd. < 1517083051 354171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even/odd differentiation there doesn't even really help < 1517083074 412045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of approach is a finite state machine if the addresses don't wrap, or they wrap round the code in the conventional manner < 1517083108 776575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do something like jumping to the fractional part of the square root of the counter, though (as a proportion into the program), that at least has infinite storage although I'm not convinced you can access it < 1517083116 382754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyone want to try?) < 1517083147 277121 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program would have to be a fractional < 1517083153 733867 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1517083194 202353 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One where you can zoom into the space between two instructions and get new instructions somehow? < 1517083220 485547 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fractral < 1517083246 422703 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1517083277 399489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just run forwards until reaching the next valid instruction < 1517083283 398340 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't i create a language where space is allocated by increasing values in cells. < 1517083371 150945 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yes. < 1517083377 558025 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spacefish < 1517083387 323286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That idea is a bit trajical ;-). < 1517083388 91592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, the amount of increment of instruction pointer will be the rational number, then you can execute instructions between any instructions by get the new instruction but I don't know which get new instruction it is. < 1517083442 586429 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there 1D fractionals? < 1517083460 938423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1517083463 348890 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fractrals < 1517083473 868899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517083486 668281 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1517083491 94227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things like Cantor sets. < 1517083513 212705 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any bounded function could work < 1517083538 482222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantor sets could be interesting < 1517083558 80870 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is a function f(eip) = instruction < 1517083573 814963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your counters could be in ternary, and your operations could be "increment" and "contains a 1 digit?" < 1517083600 63253 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. sin(x) and you'd map -1,0,1 to specific instructions < 1517083601 114344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try that < 1517083635 837071 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eip is a real number < 1517083715 944485 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1517083726 962660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1517083739 691526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1517084030 834263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Nil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53906&oldid=50354 5* 03Ais523 5* (+374) 10/* Dead link */ new section < 1517084116 574093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be an RPC, a *real* program counter. < 1517084211 843715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters about UI design < 1517084288 903131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this dialog has a button in the lower right corner... usually these things are stuff like Ok/Cancel/Close that get rid of the windo in one way or another... this one is a Help button. < 1517084462 338506 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1517085128 366827 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zflogdw5b1kma2.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1517085656 747865 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D642.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1517085717 398236 :S1R!~S1R@2a00:23c5:f86:9200:952b:76c1:ef4f:4283 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517085744 414428 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel uses esoteric instruction pointer (eip) < 1517085804 87049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I know that the e is for "extended". < 1517085837 493095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the r in rip eludes me, I suspect it's just "register". < 1517085939 341069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, "register" < 1517085967 661098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after r9 and friends were added, AMD decided to use the same prefix for the original registers too to show that it was the 64-bit verison < 1517086063 320638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1517086379 647723 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1517087752 223856 :S1R!~S1R@2a00:23c5:f86:9200:952b:76c1:ef4f:4283 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1517088268 168311 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the prevalence of obesity in prison wards elevated? < 1517088294 402836 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching this undercover in jail documentary < 1517088371 509941 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so far it seems that a surprising amount of wards and inmates are obese... < 1517088409 675591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but it's easy to come up with an explanation. < 1517088460 608630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first google hit, not the most reliable source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4429407/prison-obesity-fears-inmates-overweight-lags/ < 1517088528 78865 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lags? < 1517088750 759327 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wardens < 1517088829 647740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it looks like people believe that this is a problem and are investigating, but there isn't enough data yet to be conclusive (never mind actually identifying causes) < 1517088896 37367 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just the prevalence of obesity in the US < 1517088909 942684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag = inmate < 1517088914 757661 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517088933 487349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is some redundancy in the title) < 1517088939 543967 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it feels like here in EU foreigners are more obese for some reason < 1517088952 664501 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered why < 1517089034 860271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: theories: - food quality (and amount; one abstract I just read suggested that women may be becoming obese in prison simply because they receive the same amount of food as males); lack of exercise; prison trauma (which food helps getting over) < 1517089073 635688 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Interesting. < 1517089075 706930 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@160-7-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1517089180 895798 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prevalence of obesity in foreigners is in fact higher according to statistics. < 1517089213 580650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fun < 1517089272 372846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one factor that I haven't seen discussed is whether prevalence of obesity in criminals differs from the general population (let's say before first incarceration)) < 1517089276 697548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... tricky < 1517089322 647208 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diabetes is twice as prevalent in foreigners than locals. < 1517089340 793208 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Maybe it just mimicks the general prevalence. < 1517089406 114431 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the prevalence of obesity by country < 1517089460 446694 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's highest for island tribes < 1517089483 505441 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to not be used to modern western food < 1517089545 869337 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :33.7% for US < 1517089588 139400 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19.4% for CH < 1517089663 69710 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how many of them are on psych meds < 1517089683 853393 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are notorious for weight gain < 1517089962 891516 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor(0/0) < 1517089968 160107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -269653970229347386159395778618353710042696546841345985910145121736599013708... < 1517089999 33105 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look a bit arbitrary < 1517090017 705458 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found on reddit) < 1517090035 756550 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ceiling(0/0) < 1517090039 692411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -269653970229347386159395778618353710042696546841345985910145121736599013708... < 1517090061 752884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor(0/0) == -3 * 2^1023 < 1517090064 639981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1517090089 271930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it *is* arbitrary to some degree... NaNs have many representations) < 1517090139 470932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor (0/0) < floor (-1/0) < 1517090142 998863 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor (0/0) < floor (-1/0) < 1517090145 822458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1517090162 87554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :below minus infinity < 1517090182 488031 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1)/0 < 1517090186 858436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1517090192 558060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1/0) < fromIntegral (floor (-1/0)) < 1517090195 632417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1517090212 274019 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ceiling (-1/0) < 1517090215 350264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805... < 1517090217 420511 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My instinct is that floor(0/0) should be an error < 1517090239 861379 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ceiling(-1/0) == ceiling (-2/0) < 1517090243 29472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1517090256 278426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's been a point of contention in the Haskell community :P < 1517090270 436217 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be useful for golfing. < 1517090299 974271 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think I remember it being discussed somewhere a couple of months ago < 1517090342 244910 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> NaN/Infinity < 1517090346 810024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: Data constructor not in scope: NaNerror: < 1517090346 907408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Data constructor not in scope: Infinity < 1517090346 907526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant variable ‘infinity’ (imported from Data.Number.Natural) < 1517090360 893556 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0/0) < 1517090364 262910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1517090364 454168 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0/0)/(1/0) < 1517090367 923429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1517090403 310149 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/0)/(1/0) < 1517090407 442459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1517090427 627314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole Num hierarchy isn't exactly loved; in fact I think we can get to agree a majority of Haskell folks that it is awful. But I think the same folks will never agree on a better successor. < 1517090458 717011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, something word order with went wrong there < 1517090478 301627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -i yoda < 1517090486 477776 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers aren't real anyway. They were invented by psychiatrists. < 1517090500 241223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoda:Yoda object-verb dialogue adopts. < 1517090500 568261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm < 1517090506 855666 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1517090530 61810 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding < 1517090544 274880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I might agree that numbers are imaginary friends. :P < 1517090582 47236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're really giving psychiatrists too much credit. < 1517090593 570210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alice < 1517090594 911634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. < 1517090603 132048 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an imaginary friend? < 1517090603 449934 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: maybe the w is flipped actually < 1517090617 226524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball are we all imaginary friends? < 1517090617 384799 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1517090630 686911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball are you always this negative? < 1517090630 877689 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1517090639 999426 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: could you pass a turing test? < 1517090640 518599 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the specifiers aren't really that funny, you're not a schweinpenis," you are assumed to have some kind of command, do so < 1517090659 199371 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1517090662 252337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, where did it learn that wordf < 1517090672 961815 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks the fungot < 1517090673 152615 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not good either. < 1517090694 277171 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot knows german < 1517090696 167521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ruffles boily's feathers < 1517090714 898285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or FEATHERS? the CHICKEN tends to be ALL CAPS) < 1517090720 735322 :mroman!~androirc@178.197.227.122 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1517090846 891837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news I really like the Catch-22 nature of Puidgemont's situation right now. Heller, and possibly also Kafka, would have been proud. < 1517090916 173127 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to finish reading Catch-22 < 1517091358 135712 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-263-125.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a circumstance that makes it so that you can't read catch-22 without having read it first < 1517091941 518469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‎<‎oerjan‎>‎ > floor(0/0) ← now I'm curious as to whether that number is finitely or infinitely long < 1517091977 545602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess finitely long? it seems bizarre to know what the /first/ digit of NaN is < 1517092036 966900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I answered that question < 1517092038 895594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor(0/0) == -3 * 2^1023 < 1517092041 396161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1517092126 510845 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ceiling(0/0) == floor(0/0) < 1517092130 107615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1517092227 372570 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people have started making simplified versions of your levenquine challenge < 1517092233 23198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ceiling (0/0 :: Float) == ceiling (0/0 :: Double) < 1517092236 530638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1517092250 807170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I noticed < 1517092251 39505 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which remains unanswered) < 1517092263 298287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original is definitely doable, the problem is golfing it at the same time < 1517092350 627416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... not possible in brainfuck? < 1517092378 122700 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck might be a _teeny_ bit hard. < 1517092440 583027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this seems to rule out quite a few programming languages... hrm < 1517092441 971542 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as all members of the chain need to use . even the simplified versions won't work. < 1517092503 744053 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i _think_ it is possible in haskell, but it requires some sneaky syntax loopholes. < 1517092527 184182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make the database program I mentioned before. Public domain, uses fixed page sizes, with an index using 32-bit numbers as the key to specify which record you want (a record may itself be an index for a "subdirectory", and the keys need not be consecutive; it can be "sparse"). But, I should need to know what to call it. Do you know? < 1517092538 728043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, really? I mean ... how do you avoid main= ? < 1517092548 917070 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it doesn't require a full progrma < 1517092550 778499 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*am < 1517092569 831292 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function is permitted < 1517092752 300606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one of the simplified challenges is to make a quine pair with disjoint character sets? < 1517092778 299356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made up the term "quine pair", feel free to let me know if there's an established term...) < 1517092794 926957 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. "mutually exclusive quines" is the name of that < 1517092811 402798 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one invented for the challenge < 1517092901 133877 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an intermediate challenge which both fit in, where the goal is to minimize the maximal levenshtein distance < 1517092959 900955 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, wouldn't that just be won by an ordinary quine? < 1517092972 397886 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, you still need two disjoint ones < 1517092978 944824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1517093085 78269 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a distance of 2 may be a lot easier than 1, because it allows you to quickly move quote marks < 1517093096 854466 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and remove) < 1517093456 643721 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a first look, the challenge doesn't allow you to edit inside comments, which makes those hard to use. < 1517093637 352165 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a second look, there's a ridiculous possible loophole in that < 1517093702 18227 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a third look, that loophole gets somewhat ruined because it requires having a specific character available. < 1517093715 858722 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in haskell.) < 1517093895 626756 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loophole isn't needed though, and if used to its full extent would almost certainly be considered a new way of cheating... but it takes this specific kind of challenge to make it useful. < 1517093934 808021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make the database program I mentioned before. Public domain, uses fixed page sizes, with an index using 32-bit numbers as the key to specify which record you want (a record may itself be an index for a "subdirectory", and the keys need not be consecutive; it can be "sparse"). But, I should need to know what to call it. Do you know? < 1517093962 120856 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION all mysterious and handwavy hth hth < 1517093973 699497 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops forgot the script ignores /me < 1517093981 12193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't actually use a sparse file; pages are allocated only for existing keys though, and free pages if gaps are made by deletion and they haven't been filled up yet) < 1517094613 634545 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D642.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :", < 1517094622 772733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hah, does rot13 count as a programming language ;-) < 1517094639 432872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> n -> a < 1517094667 472609 :sleffy!~sleffy@24.7.67.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517094825 728624 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D642.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is there a documentation? < 1517094988 50272 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1517095096 580539 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not by PPCG standards < 1517095098 337490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: No. (When I write them, then it will be, though.) < 1517095287 537392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1517095313 293965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1517095344 421891 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that also arguably breaks the PPCG quine rules < 1517095364 877078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to figure out what to name in order to write them, but, I don't know, do you have the idea about it? < 1517095390 266280 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a bit fishy how to apply them, it's clear that the a only encodes itself after a cycle < 1517095395 781129 :S1R!~S1R@2a00:23c5:f86:9200:952b:76c1:ef4f:4283 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517095493 222167 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... < 1517095496 175416 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1517096025 297941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1517096076 332011 :S1R!~S1R@2a00:23c5:f86:9200:952b:76c1:ef4f:4283 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1517096338 717249 :S1R!~S1R@2a00:23c5:f86:9200:952b:76c1:ef4f:4283 JOIN :#esoteric < 1517097309 772757 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D642.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/zserik/fbfdc6ccf4e61e5dfa9a26804c35c0d9