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00:01:16 <ski> perhaps another way that could be used (sometimes ?) is to imagine a common parameterization (of both `x' and `y'), say `t'. then you're just surpressing a `/ d t' in the middle formula there
00:01:43 <ski> i haven't thought these ideas out that far
00:01:51 <shachaf> Yes, that's the best way I know to make sense of these things.
00:02:13 <shachaf> But given that the choice of parameterization doesn't really matter, I feel like there ought to be a direct way to think about it.
00:02:35 <ski> (line and surface integrals is still something i'm pondering how to make sense of (perhaps adapting/repairing it somewhat) the notation for)
00:02:42 <shachaf> One thing you can do is look at the zero set of f(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 - 1
00:03:02 <ski> i'd be nice to have a way to connect this with SDG
00:03:17 <shachaf> And then look at the zero set of its derivative, say f(x,y)(dx,dy) = 2 x dx + 2 y dy, at some point f(x,y)
00:03:29 * ski is also reminded of some papers that computed derivatives of programs (operating on bags, in many of the examples)
00:03:54 <ski> yea, linearity
00:04:16 <ski> f : |R^2 -> |R
00:04:29 <ski> f' : |R^2 -> (|R^2 -o |R)
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00:05:08 <shachaf> Anyway people do many strange tricks. Like dy/dx = ky -> dy = dy/y = k dx -> \int{dy/y} = \int{k dx} . I don't really know how to make sense of dy and dx in that sort of context.
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00:05:58 <ski> (in SDG, `|R^D' is iso to `|R^2', where `D = {d : |R | d^2 = 0}'. from `f' where `f(d) = a + b*d' for every `d' in `D', we get `(a,b)', intercept and slope)
00:07:13 <shachaf> A connection to regular DG would be good too. :-) I don't think this is the same kind of "d".
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11:36:39 <HackEgo> 1/3:tas//TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. \ ehlist//ehlist is update notification for the Everyday Heroes webcomic. http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ \ arothmorphise//arothmorphise ... antormo... antrohm... ant...
11:36:40 <HackEgo> 2/3: oh bugger. This should go in the `misspellings of antrhrop... atnhro...' entry. \ welcome.es//¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <http://esolang
11:36:42 <HackEgo> 3/3:s.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) \ cat introduction//cat introduction is the process of piping one or more extra `cat` commands into your pipeline; occasionally this is even actually useful.
11:38:10 <shachaf> cats require no introduction
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17:47:27 <zseri> https://github.com/blizzard4591/cmake-portable-endian/pull/2
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17:52:09 <int-e> yay. 64 bytes from ...: icmp_seq=8230 ttl=54 time=37742 ms
17:55:21 * int-e is on a crappy mobile plan
17:55:39 <int-e> but it's kind of amazing just how crappy it is sometimes :)
17:56:16 <zseri> 64 bytes from ...: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=67.1 ms; through Cisco VPN and ZPRD
18:01:00 <int-e> basically it gewts slow when I'm downloading something (you know, like a 100kb picture for a website)... it starets queuing packets like crazy. But it's doing that to a ridiculous degree. (let's see how many typos I have in this...)
18:07:41 <int-e> oh and it's not always this bad. depends on the time of day, so I guess the neighbourhood is just crowded in terms of mobile contracts.
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18:19:42 <int-e> and sometimes resetting the usb modem helps
18:20:29 <int-e> But heh, I'm getting some amusement out of this, so why switch to something else...
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22:51:15 <fizzie> int-e: Heh, and I complained (well, mentioned as an aside in an unrelated complaint) to my ISP because the native IPv6 to my VPS got a round-trip of 21 ms, compared to 8 ms for IPv4.
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23:04:17 <HackEgo> 1/2:if//If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: \ pspace//PSPACE is the complexity class of Problem SPACEs. It is the same as P, by an herbal reduction. \ mdude//MDude is just a dude, with an M's courag
23:04:19 <HackEgo> 2/2:e. \ manager//Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html \ hacker//Jim Hacker is a former British prime minister.
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23:29:34 <wob_jonas> yeah, two of those wisdoms are mine
23:29:55 <HackEgo> 9284:2016-10-14 <alercäh> learn PSPACE is the complexity class of Problem SPACEs. It is the same as P, by an herbal reduction.
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23:39:08 <wob_jonas> `slashlearn peace witch//Peace witches do alchemy: they turn mundane building material to gold. They're in the same universe where Bowser turned peaceful citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom to building material.
23:39:11 <HackEgo> Learned 'peace witch': Peace witches do alchemy: they turn mundane building material to gold. They're in the same universe where Bowser turned peaceful citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom to building material.
23:43:06 <boily> I can't seem to find if there's h-dropping in Canadian English. Is it “an herbal“ or “a herbal”?
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23:44:10 <wob_jonas> boily: aren't there words where the "h" is silent in pretty much every dialect of English?
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23:49:35 <boily> Wikipédia says: “The word "herb" is pronounced /hɜːrb/ in the Commonwealth,[1] but /ɜːrb/ is common among North American speakers and those from other regions where h-dropping occurs.”
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23:51:21 <wob_jonas> how about hour, honest, honor, heritage?
23:51:32 <moony> I was going to write my second submission to https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/155018/the-programming-language-quiz-mark-ii-cops in Assembly for the Apollo Guidance Computer. But the emulator says otherwise. That sucks.
23:51:49 <boily> wob_jonas: h, h, h, h? at least in my mangled English pronounciation.
23:53:07 <wob_jonas> boily: I always pronounce "hour" without an h, and I thought most people did, but apparently no. I think "honest" and "honor" vary by accent, and I usually drop the "h" in them, and I'm totally unsure about "heritage"
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23:59:46 <wob_jonas> "heir" and "homage" are the next ones suspicious for me, but of course I'm really bad at English pronunciation so I've no idea which words are actually supposed to have the "h" dropped. I think there are accents that drop "h" much more often.